Pathfinder General /pfg/

Why is keeping track of loot such a fucking chore?

>>50615829
>implying I've ever done anything cute in game

I mean, unless you count hitting negatives once a fight as "cute."

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>>50615829
That would involve me having games, OP

reposting from last thread

So guys is there some kind of gauntlet the party's monk can wear that would function as a weapon but still let him use it as an unarmed strike during flurry of blows?

I'm mostly looking for a way to try to get Discordant voice to work on him with his unarmed flurry

>>50615859
I find it fun, same with taking notes!

>>50615950

No, cause the rules on that are a poorly written piece of garbage.

>>50615950
Monk unarmed strikes count as natural and manufactured weapons.
Learn to read.

>>50615829
the cutest thing i've encountered would be a girl from the local magic academy who likes baked goods

<spoiler>the cutest thing i've done is my tiefling girlfriend</spoiler>

>>50615950
>Discordant voice
Monk's fists count as manufactured weapons for spells/effects, so it already works.

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Could you conceivably use a tulpa as a stand

>>50615983
Sorry anon, it's just that I had googled it and gotten conflicting answers with people making comments like "hurr they don't count even if sean k wants them too hurr" and wanted a second opinion from you guys

>>50616024
Read the actual rules. The monk page says they do.

>>50615988
>>50615947
thank you anons

>>50615830

Pitax should be a proxy conflict funded by agents loyal to House Surtova, however the Disappearance of 4699 and the events of Book 4 (with the reincarnated Champion of Gorum) should be Choral.

In fact, wasn't the Champion originally killed by an unnamed Red Dragon? Curious how that works, innit?

Imagine if we had actual Aldori Swordlords in Kingmaker, or political intrigue... Nah, that's dumb! We need Fae and exploration for 5 gosh darn Books!

>>50616024
>Listening to /pfg/ kool-aid
There's your mistake, son. Always double check the rules, especially if /pfg/'s answer is "lul Paizo"

>>50616002
No, but you can have your capacity for anger (or maybe hatred) ripped from your soul and sealed away inside your subconscious, where it can no longer control you in any way.

Why yes that is my Paladin/Fractured Mind Spiritualist concept why do you ask.

>>50616108
/pfg/'s answer was "read the rules"

>>50616102
Actually, can Nyrissa be salvaged at all? I'm good to just throw her out, but perhaps she could be reworked into a Rogarvian heir warped by time in Choral's prison-dimension.

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So! The weekend's coming up; any big plans, game-related or otherwise, that you're excited for?

>>50616178
I've got a Kingmaker game tomorrow - it's always the highlight of my week

>>50616178
Just took my last final. I'm graduating from college tomorrow.

Feels good

>>50616178
Tuesdays HV campaign!

>>50616151

Nyrissa requires significant build-up for what is an admittedly mediocre villain. The true BBEG was and always should have been Choral the Conqueror, while Nyrissa can easily be worked in as a Book villain if not just to have Briar be available to the party - or maybe remove Briar and introduce a slick new sword, call it Kingmaker.

>>50616235

Who has the highest Sense Motive of the group? I'd bet a gold piece they'll be the one to figure out who the Mad Jackal is first!

>>50616275

I have 6!

>>50616255

I've been wanting to modify Kingmaker a bit, introduce a pair of artifact blades to it called Kingmaker and Kingbreaker, but I Have no idea what else I'd do with them other than 'have cool names and work them to be plot relevant'.

>>50616178
I wish I had a game, but unfortunately I do not. I will probably be doing preliminary write ups for homebrewed AP stuff.

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>>50615829

I never encountered anything cute, as I was always DMing. But I did plenty of cute encounters of sort. (pic related, for example)
Would those count?

>>50616331

One should be the sword wielded by Choral, the other an Aldori Dueling sword wielded by the founder himself.

>>50616303

Looks like Sersheon will have to do an awful lot of convincing to Yori that her alter ego should be their little secret!

>>50616349
Speaking of AP stuff:

Do the adventure paths really bother anyone else? It seems like they are all built with the "it's a dungeon" mentality. IF you are attacking a building then EVERYONE inside will know once a fight starts. The book gives descriptions as if you were entering each room one by one, when as soon as someone screams the whole place is now a battlefield.

This shit is inexcusable for 12th level encounters. The party has had teleport and dimension door for awhile now, yet the book is written as if an invisible familiar isn't doing the scouting, as if the barbarian couldn't level the entire building in 3 minutes, and is if they actually need to fight anyone inside to rescue the hostage in the basement.

It's so damn confusing.

This is especially infuriating in reign of winter when you get to the Russian prison camp.

>>50616422

Dont vigilantes get like +20 to that disguise attempt?

>>50616424
Sometimes it's assumed that the alarm is going to be raised, sometimes they actually give details on how it changes the tactics of other monsters...but yeah, mostly they just remain at their posts.

I can see why, I mean you wouldn't want the PCs to get bum rushed all at once.

>>50616503

Yeah, but that attempt is going up against a fucking lawyer.

Truth is, I'm interested in reading which party member Sersheon decides to shack up with first - and if not Sersheon, than the Mad Jackal!

>>50616424
Most people are entering the dungeon room by room
You suffer from delusion of thinking the APs were ever written for player like you

>>50616275
>>50616303

Yori is the highest at +10, followed by Deidre, Shizuka and Tyran!

>>50616424
You have to accept that some things make no sense, because adventuring itself makes no sense

Nobody would just walk into danger full knowing it is there

>>50616564

Sersheon's total disguise is +30, currently, for the purposes of 'not being found out as her other identity' (+10 normally), and her bluff is +8, but I *think* rules wise the disguise check supersedes bluffing.

As far as who she shacks up with first, well, it depends on who she thinks the strongest mother or father among the group would be...

First for getting the tender loving care of the tsundere sylph doctor, expertly mending my wounds while he struggles not to look at my body, playful breezes caressing the places he's secretly eyeing.

>>50616612
>the highest at +10

FUCKING LAWYER

>>50616701

I thought I was doing good with my +6 too.

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Daily reminder that being sexually sadistic makes you of an evil alignment in real life.

>>50616754

It's posts like these that I wish there was a reaction image with a spray bottle.

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>>50616754

>>50616760

Being fair, Vigilantes get, flat out the gate, a +20 to disguise checks against people who suspect her social or vigilante identity might be the other one.

>>50616612
Quinn's got a 9, too.

>>50616761

What if I am masosadistic? I also noted that masosadistic spellchecks to sadomasochistic.

>>50616800
He's got an 8. Learn to read, he's the blind one not you.

>>50616761

What if I follow SSC religiously?

>>50616800
Nobody cares about you anymore. You're not a celebrity anymore, you're obsolete, your character is bad, and you should feel bad.

>>50616424
Paizo does not anticipate minmaxing.

>>50616875

APs are built to 11 CHA duegar antipaladins.

>>50616424
My favorite is getting an adamantine weapon in Iron Gods and just cutting through the fucking spaceship. Paizo never anticipated this.

>>50616875
They do not need to
The money is not in those that minmax anyway

>>50616857

Oh I was talking about real life fetishes. My bad.

>>50616889
11 CHA duergar antipaladins that poisoned their family despite duergar being immune to poison.

>>50616917
maybe intern wrote that

>>50616917
That just makes it more impressive desu.

So what would sitting in Lava feel like if your immune/resistant to fire.

>>50616914

>tfw I'm a sadist

>>50616970
Probably like a bath of warm gelatin.

>>50616970
Like being in quick sand.
Also remember that even if you stop the fire damage, it is a flowing river of LAND, not water.
It will still fucking crush you

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>>50616422
>>50616564
>>50616612
>>50616760
[PROFESSION (BARRISTER) INTENSIFIES]
I don't have Lawyer to sense motive, just good wisdom.

>>50616970
it'd likely feel uncomfortably warm. Lava is also very slow moving, so it'd be like being dunked in molasses.

and then when you climb out, you have to get it all off or it'll harden into obsidian.

>>50616970

Like a bag of sand.

>>50617001

That's not a very impressive bust, Senpai!

>>50617023
Don't be mean
It is the best she can do

>tfw GM makes things worse for you because they don't understand a rule properly
>point out the actual rule
>they agree they misunderstood but say "well the way I was thinking makes more sense, it's homeruled now"

>>50617042
>>50617023
She's also the same age as infernal Cheliax.
Literally, at 86 she was born in 4640, the year Abrogail Thrune I unified the country.

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>>50615859
Chore?
What part of the best part is a chore???

>>50617023

>Implying golden tits aren't the best kind of tits

>>50617086

Is her hair nailed to the wall?

>>50617163
that'd be a tail. Too thick to be a clump of hair.

>>50617163
>a tail

Ahh. I see. I think.

>>50617208
>>50617180

That was weird. Meant to quote you.

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>>50617023
It's not whether they're big or small, it's how much I get to play with them.

Anyone else feel like that Barbarian rage powers are awkward?

They do not really feel impactful outside of very few

>>50617332
If you're suggesting the best ones aren't very showy, I'd agree, but I wouldn't say they lack impact

>>50617348
I meant majority of the powers do not feel important

>>50616970
I'm reminded of the rated-R adventure JJ wrote for Dragon, where a rakshasa paid handsomely to have succubi to natural attack him, because their claws couldn't break his DR, so it felt nice.

>>50617368
A lot of them are kinda shit.

Like 'once per rage, deal an extra piddly amount of damage'

Look at the Unchained Barb rage powers, a lot of them are better. Like, that shitty rage power got turned into a rage STANCE which gives extra damage as long as you're in it.

>>50617412
Sure but the stances do not really fit barbarian as a class

>>50617412
That's why ragecycling became a thing; once you're immune to fatigue, "once per rage" becomes "once per round", and some of these shitty powers become acceptable.

>>50617403

That's in Wrath of the Righteous, isn't it? Or one of the APs at least.

>>50617429
Yeah, but it shouldn't HAVE to be a thing, I believe was the sentiment. And to be honest, I kinda agree. You shouldn't have to toggle it on and off repeatedly for things to work properly.

>>50617434
Nah, it was pre-Pathfinder, a crazy lewd 3.5 adventure in Dungeon #95, called Porphyry House Horror. Back before Paizo was SJW central.

>>50617332
There's good and bad ones, but you get a *lot* so it's built to stack up.

The first two in the Undead Blood chain can be decent; there's some uses for shaken

Natural Attackers gain a fuckton of things from rage powers, including the first two of the Draconic Blood series, and a bleeding bite attack among others

POUNCE, MOTHERFUCKER! DO YOU SPEAK IT?

World Serpent Totem ain't too terrible, Superstition is excellent if timed non-stupidly...

There's a lot of handy ones.

>>50617464
>you get a lot
10 is a lot?
And that is by lvl 20
At lvl 8, you have like 4

>>50617481
not that anon but sometimes i take the feat extra rage power

>>50617497
Barbarian is already feat starved tho

>>50617504
>power attack
Done.

>>50617504

... How? Power Attack and Raging Vitality.

Kablamzo! You got all you need!

>>50617504
>Barbarian
>feat starved

you mean the Power Attack that most games give out for free?

>>50617537
>most games give power attack for free
Nah.

>>50617520
>>50617526
>>50617537
This is not about pure functionality
Feats are still great for personal customization, unlike rage powers which most of them are really ... bland comparatively

Does anyone have the custom weapon rules?

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I didn't get much help last thread so I will ask again.

I'm going to play Reign of Winter with one other player. We start at 4th level (GM of course will ajust everything) and get a free familiar (improved if we already havve one). All DSP and Paizo allowed. The other player plays stalker (vigilante) focused on stealth, stabbing and skillmonkeying. What would be better then for me to play: Psion or Occultist? What about archetypes from here?

>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RzrGU81xkZUwavvnoTEfpLa-z9ElnkzWbNb_r2r9GJs/edit#heading=h.las0oihqo89v

I'm going to focus on providing utility and flanking or some other way of denying enemies their Dex to AC. The stalker guy is pretty heavily optimized so I don't think he will need much buffing (Time Skitter is a thing, for example).

Also, pic related.

>>50617565
>Feats are still great for personal customization, unlike rage powers which most of them are really ... bland comparatively
The VAST MAJORITY of feats are pretty bland as well.

>>50617591
There on the weapon section of the SRD.

>>50617578

They're on the weapons page on the PFSRD!

>>50617600
>>50617599
Thanks anon.

>>50617596
Sure, but there are many many more feats than there are rage powers

>>50617612
I mean a Rage Power is basically worth a feat.

>>50617622
I am saying turning your feats into rage powers reduces your options hugely

>>50616002
Sure, you can even use Craft (Sculpting) to make it look better or more perfected! Avant Guard Kineticist, it's what you're looking for.

>>50617636
No it's literally the fact that all rage powers are a feat option. Having the opportunity increases you flexibility, not reduces

>>50617636
Not reallly a lot of martial feats aren't really game changers unless they're Style Feats.

My GM thinks Half-Giants are dumb and OP, how do I convince him to stop being an actual retard?

>>50617481
Yeah it's a decent amount.

Consider this: For two of those four, you can add 1d6 of any element (chosen when you start raging) to all melee, and an extra 1d6 of a different kind for 1rd basically once per fight (1/rage). Still two more to pick.

Im playing a wizard in a core only game, (I know).
What are some magic item crafting shenanigans I can do?

Only level 2 now but thinking ahead.

>>50617811
By telling him he's retarded because oversized weapons represent a miniscule power jump (except in the case of bows, because every little bit of damage and accuracy is boosted a shitzillion-fold by the sheer number of attacks)

>>50617854

Craft rod and wondrous item are your best choices. Not really any big shenanigans without downtime rules, leadership or archetype rules.

>>50617854
>>50617919

Oh arms and armor if you want to be helpful to the guys carrying your loot.

>>50617854
Don't do it. It may sound like I'm going on a "Badwrongfun" tangent but item crafting can very easily ruin the game. It breaks WBL over its knee, removes the need for loot and in the end turns the crafting wizard into a robot that sits in his basement lab the entire session enchanting items.

>>50617854
Steelbone frames and Cyclops helms for your melee bruisers

Ask your GM about Blood Money/Fabricate interaction

>>50617946
I don't plan on pushing the crafting system to its limits.
We have a very small party so I expect to make the occasional amulet of natural armor and improve weapons and armor, other than that I am looking for ideas.

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So I am making a Synthesist Summoner in the form of a beetle. What are some generally good evolutions to take for this? (General idea is grappling and providing a somewhat beefy flank buddy). I feel like outside of grab, slam, Large and Fly I don't know what to do with myself.

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Alright /pfg/, finishing off Esmera now; minor class update, swapped a level of Zealot for Royal, gaining some minor magical stuff and patching the holes in my class skills so that I Don't have so many crossclass skills invested in; did some other minor tweaking and I think she's pretty much finalized now.

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1032277

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>>50616178
Gonna get further in the "Curse of the Crimson Throne" game I am running. It's been the best campaign I've run yet, and every session gets better, thanks to a great group of players.

>>50618002
Wondrous item of magic missle.

You can make an infinite use item of magic missles, to spam at enemies to pretend you're helping when it comes to combat.

You can also enchant your book for all sorts of weird 3/day spells that are nice to have on hand, but you don't want to prepare slots for. Like overland flight or knock or somesuch.

>>50618051

>Her home has an entire room set aside as a nursery. It is meticulously cleaned and stocked. It has never been used.

Anon please, this is tragic! Good, but tragic!

>>50616424
Speaking to this I design encounters/strongholds/etc. under the assumptions enemies know how spellcasting works and have defenses against it.

This makes a lot of players angry actually. I am unsure why.

Even something as simply as a teleport trap.

>>50618051

Looks good to me, post her up!

>>50618063
Goddamn I wish I could draw.

>>50618224
I recommend that they get "teleport trapped" into a non-insta kill situation. Like getting teleport-trapped to outside the walls.

>>50618259

>tfw your party will never get drawn

I wonder if the /pfg/ groups will ever get drawn.

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>>50616178
I'm running Iron Gods!

The party composition is shit!

>Coursier (Swash archetype for Tengu)
>Musket Master
>Witch
>A FUCKING BOLT ACE IN IRON GODS

>>50618305
The teleport trapped was into a room with a trap that triggers into tiny coffins ~40 feet beneath the structure that they had a guy with earth glide bring down there. .

>>50618330
>A FUCKING BOLT ACE IN IRON GODS
>implying the irony isn't delicious

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Another player and I are in a Reign of Winter game, with only two PCs.

The other PC is a sneaky, killy, sneak attacking stalker (vigilante). Very optimized.

I want my PC to be a useful utility caster who can flat-foot and Dex-deny plenty of enemies to help the stalker, generally hard-control enemies, and summon/metacreate monsters for flanking.

Between a fully optimized occultist and a fully optimized psion, which would be the better option for this? I want to be able to last for as long as possible, because the stalker can go all day.

>>50618373
You've asked this twice.

>>50618373
If you play a full caster you will be useless, then helpful for maybe 5 levels, then they will be useless. Stick to a 6th level caster.

I vote warpriest. Travel blessing is great for some bro-op.

>>50618393
>If you play a full caster you will be useless
kek

>>50618429
>my level 2 wizard is not weak and only good for about three rounds per day!

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>>50618373
>>50618393
The game is supposed to run from 4th to 16th level.

>>50617046
Depends which rule it is.

>>50618443
>Color Spray, Sleep

>>50618443
>implying a level 1 Wizard and Psion are 1:1 equivalents

>>50618373
Just play the Occultist and shut the fuck up already, christ.

>>50618330
>yfw the player's thinking "finally it isn't banned" because so many GMs ban the gunslinger outright - bolt-ace included - because "guns are op and don't fit in muh full-plate renaissance fantasy

>>50618429
A level 2 wizard actually does have a fair number of issues, mainly in that anyone who touches him generally will put him unconscious.

I always find it worrying when a player has a 1st level wizard, often with only average con, and gets angry when he goes unconscious after an enemy fires at him with a longbow.

That being said, that's an occupational hazard of being low level with average con.

>>50618444
If we're talking about balance the game isn't meant to be run at any level with the full roster. At no level is the game within an acceptable range of balance unless bans/changes occur.

>>50618051
How is she a shape changer?

>>50618462
isn't the equivalence more like "A level 2 sorcerer would = a level 3 psion if the sorcerer got its spells at the wizard rate"?

>>50618453
Really, I've had a GM fudge dices before, telling me shit didn't work. I have a hard time believing that only one creature out of 5 passed out from TWO castings Color spray when they only had +2 to their will saves vs DC 17 at level 1.

Only so the PoW PCs and the DMPC could be cool

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>>50616178
Second session of a lewd game I'm looking forward to!

>>50618453
The issue with color spray is you're going to need to approach them and hope for a nice cone to use. It helps with an encounter per color spray (often you'll need 2 color sprays). However at 4-5 encounters per day you run dry (this assumes that your GM enforces the recommended number of encounters via a sense of urgency or actually having enemies come after you).

As for sleep it has a will save. While you can get this high it is by no means a sure win. As well as being only a 10 foot burst.

Often issues of this nature get made worse by GMs tailoring their encounters to allow casters to make the best use of their spells in a safe environment. We take an already existing gap between martials and casters and turn it into a chasm.

>>50618495

Knowing the Chimera Soul disicpline gives you the Shapechanger subtype.

>>50618511
How did you fit 5 creatures into a 15 foot cone? it only covers 6 of 7 squares. Did they all just bunch up and wait to be color spray'd?

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Debating on whether to do 2 or 4 levels into Paladin for my Oradin.

If I go with 2, I can still have full CL for my Oracle levels since I have Magical Knack. But if I go 4, as a Hospitaler I'd get a channeling pool of 7 and a second Lay on Hands (albeit the channeling would be that of a level 1 Cleric. With my Oracle levels alone though I'll have a separate pool of 5 that's effectiveness is 1:1 with Cleric. I guess what it really comes down to is whether or not those extra 7 channels and Lay on Hands are worth the level instead of just taking feats for more.

>>50618511
most likely the spoilered rather than the former.

Then again, I've known players whose characters are - at the very least for that particular battle* - LITERALLY invulnerable and who will actually bitch out the fireball-lobber because if the group wins easily rather than taking 2-3 sessions of chatting away for the single fight it "wouldn't be fun for anyone", so I guess it's possible the GM could be that petty too.


*You know how it is; the natural attacker with a bit of DR and high Regen is suddenly faced with like 80 minions who can't actually get through her DR without a crit and will actually be eaten at an even faster rate if they try to pile up on her to coup-de-grace, which wouldn't even work anyways... but it'll be like eight rounds of tedium, at about ten minutes of tangenting by people when they should be taking their damn turns.

>>50618518

Explain!

>>50618558
Yes, actually. I won initiative and they were all bunched up, then got swarmed by my buddies. That's how it went, me being the O. The setup was school teacher summoning a group of creatures for us to take as a team.

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>>50618622

Clearly the correct option was to punch the teacher in the gut.

>>50618622
Some creatures shouldn't use tactics, but often creatures who use zero tactics are ones immune to mind effecting (mindless undead, plants, vermin, etc.).

A wolf for instance won't know how spells work and thus not defend themselves against them, but generally won't be in a bunch formation like that either.

People of any intelligence? In a setting with a lot of magic (which pathfinder is) they should have a rough awareness or know someone with a rough awareness that standing in certain formations (bunched up) makes you an easy target for magic.

>>50618599
What is it with online games and turns taking for fucking ever anyways? I've got the same problem. I actually pay fucking attention, and ready up everything so that unless the situation changes immediately before I come up, I'll take maybe two minutes at most - and about 45s of that is me waiting on the DM to finally pay attention back and tell me if I hit or not. Then the init tracker ticks to the next person, and I can probably just go bake a fucking cake.

I abhor when someone starts playing something else midgame, but the level of tangential babbling about anything else (once it was even character creation for some other campaign by like half the fucking party!!!) often makes me think that no one would notice, let alone care, let alone even know I wasn't paying attention unless I told them, if I just fired something up and ran a fucking raid in between turns.

Unbreakable Gambit

>Risk: The warlord attempts to succeed on a Fortitude or Will save against an extraordinary ability, maneuver, power, spell, or spell-like or supernatural ability. The effect in question must be a harmless effect on a failed saving throw. Unlike other gambits, this one can be attempted as an immediate action instead of a swift action.

So what am I missing here? What is the use of this?

>>50618675
Basic tactics
>Geek the Mage
>Grenades, Railguns, Fireballs and Lightning Bolts all love a tight package.

It's not metagaming; it's basic understanding. Even animals will learn to scatter, because those that do are the ones that might get to pass on their genes, and the others are tonight's dinner.

The event was to prepare us since we were playing Wrath of the Righteous. DM just hates casters, as I've often complained about in the thread.

I've (finally) dropped the game since because I just couldn't endure it, how the GM set up his tiefling Ragathiel paladin GMPC to be the big hero.

>>50618697
It gives you a luck bonus equal to your Cha modifier on the save.

Which will likely be +3, or with fate's favored (which every warlord should have) it's +4.

>>50618706
>The effect in question must be a harmless effect on a failed saving throw.

???

>>50618705
was meant to reply to

>>50618675

>>50618714
Oh yeah that. I assume it's a typo. Otherwise yes, it's useless.

>>50618705
No game is better than a bad game. A mediocre game is better than no game. Good games don't exist except with friends.

>>50618697
They typo'd bad and it should say harmless on a passed save

My game got cancelled today because one of the other players is sick.

Which is kind of annoying, because I was sick today too and had to take care of a toddler during the worst of it, and still planned on playing.

>>50618761
It's not responsible to put other people's health at risk.

>>50618744
Thought so. Ty

>>50618805
We play over roll20 and skype.

>>50618805
But had the game been earlier in the day or morning, I probably would have been out too. It's annoying, but understandable.

>>50618051
You fucking sick perverts in that stupid ass jade regent joke have hit a new low. The fuck is this load of mary-sue magical realm trash? Tentacles? 'milfoption'? and she's royalty? You sicken me.

>>50618897
ayy lmao

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>>50618392
>>50618393
>>50618471
How does a psion (cryptographer) stack up against a regular psion and an occultist?

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>>50618897
Ok

>>50618941
I want to murder you.

>>50618941
You've asked this three times

>>50618941
Cryptographer sucks why would you even ask this? Are you baiting?

So the unchained wizard is coming along. This is the list of changes thus far:

>School specialization overhaul, instead of 2 powers there are 4 ( 2 at 1st, 1 at 7th, 1 at 13th level powers)
>School specialization now called "Arcane Origin" and is more specific, each school is divided into sub schools (you only get to choose one)
>No such thing as a "Universalist" instead one has to specialize
>Opposition schools would be changed, instead there would be Primary, Secondary, and Tertiary schools
>of the 8 schools you get 1 primary, 2 secondary, and 3 tertiary, along with 2 banned schools
>you can not learn or cast spells of your 2 banned schools
>schools have be upgraded (except banned to tertiary) via a feat slot, they upgrade by 1 level
>You gain an "arcane font" ability, which is essentially points you have to spend from to both use your school powers, cast legendary spells, and prepare spells from secondary/tertiary schools (instead of taking 2 spell slots)
>arcane font refills every day
>Bonded object would be the standard, familiars would need to be garnered through a "legendary spell" slot for Summon Familiar
>Cantrips would go back to being limited use
>Certain spells would be removed from the spell list and transferred into a "Legendary" spell list that would act much like rogue talents with level requirements, feat requirements, and spell book requirements.
>some spells include Teleport, Invisibility, Contact Other Plane, Cloudkill, and Create Undead
>Legendary spells act like old opposition spells, requiring two spell slots to prepare

Makes wizards more reliant on their school powers, makes them have to think a lot more on what they prepare for the day (forces them to specialize quite a bit into their school of choice) and removes certain game changing spells and puts them behind a barrier of specialization.

Ultimately the goal of Unchained Wizard is to make wizards into highly specialized individuals who must sacrifice to become generalists.

>>50618897

Literally the only thing I have to agree with is the tentacles, why the heck does this girl have tentacles? >>50618051 needs to listen here, because being a child bathed in Lamashtan radiation does not make you a tentacled beast, it just makes you a beast. Aegis is unbecoming of her, it should truly be something simpler like Fiendbound Marauder (heck, Nualia's for a Fiendbound arm too) or even changing her race to some sort of Tiefling or Skinwalker.

>>50618982
Are you thinking of Cryptic?

Cryptographer is a very strong option, especially when the psionic discipline implements are generally better than their arcane counterparts, but it depends on what you're trading out and what you're getting.

>>50618996
laughingclericsanddruids.jpeg

>>50618996
>Cantrips would go back to being limited use

literally fucking why

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>>50618956
>>50618965
>>50618982
I never even asked about cryptographer before.

How does a cryptographer compare to psion and occultist?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RzrGU81xkZUwavvnoTEfpLa-z9ElnkzWbNb_r2r9GJs/edit#heading=h.u7ochwsjrffu

>>50619037
Yeah, this. Cantrips being infinite use is FUN.

>>50618996
>Cantrips would go back to being limited use

Gotta agree, this is an awful change. I can see where you're coming from but this is just punching fun in the face way too hard to overcome a small issue.

>>50619037
Unlimited cantrips were a mistake.

>>50618836
>implying the flu spirits can't travel down telephone lines

>>50619069
And what exactly does removing them solve?

>>50619065
>>50619063
>>50619069
I'll go more into my reasoning here.

Instead of infinite use cantrips you only get two infinite use ones, Read Magic and Detect Magic, which would be free and not take up slots.

It is meant to force leaning on school powers at low levels, because there are now two.

>>50619005

Well, I started off going 'you know, I'd like to actually give Aberrant Aegis a try', is the problem, and figured the Lamashtite altar already known to exist would be a good hook for it. The tentacles are due to Aberrant; the build I was going for, mechanically, was 'all the natural attacks and grapples'.

>>50619087

>The only infinite use cantrips are the two blandest, most game-y ones available

Wow, aren't you a delight!

>>50619087
>detect magic is probably the most narrative-changing cantrip to the extent that when 5e BUFFED cantrips and also made them unlimited use on top of that, detect magic was made into a first level spell

>somehow it's the only one they get unlimited of, meaning you've taken out all the fun without fixing the problem

How limited are the school powers? Both in scope of what they can do, and in uses per day?

>>50619087
>Prestidigitation, Mage Hand, Spark, and anything that's actually fun to use are limited
>But the two most boring, most ubiquitous cantrips are infinite
DHB, you really are the most autistic and boring homebrewer.

>>50619087
Read Magic barely has a reason to fucking exist in the first place, and detect magic should be simultaneously available to everyone with enough spellcraft, and much less powerful than it is.

It and Light are two cantrips that never stop getting used fucking ever.

>>50619096

Aberrations are something within the purview of Rovagug, of Qlippoth and the Dominion of the Black. Lamashtu does not have any interest in Aberrations, she has interest only in things with fur and claws and teeth and all the foulest things that go bump in the night.

>>50618577
I would go with 2 levels of Hospitaler. A few extra single standard action d6s won't help nearly as much as two caster levels.

>>50619005
to me the whole character feels like someone wanted to play a strong natural attacker and then awkwardly inserted this MILF fetish on top of it, where it doesn't make a lot of sense

>>50619141

Aberrant Aegis is not aberration based, per se; it's just instead of summoning armor your mutate your body. There's plenty of natural animals out there with tentacles; since they are an animalistic feature, it felt if not fully appropriate at least not inappropriate--and what about her claws, stinger, and the other natural attacks she'll get as she levels?

>>50619173

Quite the opposite, personally; it feels like they wanted to make an older, MILF character and decided to slap on a build they've been meaning to try on top of it.

>>50614098

That's not misogyny, though, that's traditional gender roles being embraced. Actual misogyny is the active hatred of women (see: the shit you see on >>>r9k).

>>50618609
Helnar, city built on a dungeon like that anime "is it wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon.", except the rest of the world has gone to shit!

We basically got no where in the first session, but there's not much to explain. There was a session 0 where two of the party members ended up getting lewded by a giant corrupted wolf thing though while the other got lewded by several men, though!

>>50619189
same difference

>>50619173
>>50619189

This was a case of 'I've always wanted to try Aberrant Aegis' and 'The thread's saying we need more older characters for rise of the jade regent', so you're both correct in a way; the character started off as 'why not do both', more or less.

>>50619207

What did you get lewded by?

Did you save pastebins?

>>50619207
I hate to ask but
Got logs?

>>50619098
>>50619120
I shall have to think on it. At the moment this is preliminary anyway so it is subject to change.

>>50619111
>How limited are the school powers? Both in scope of what they can do, and in uses per day?
For uses per day I was considering making school powers unlimited. As for their scope at 1st level you would receive an offensive and utility one.

The transmutation one for instant was "minor transmute" which does some things from prestidigitation like changing taste/color/etc, but also stuff like changing the shape of small objects, breaking small things, fixing, etc.

>>50619134
I shall think on it.

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>>50619214

You don't have to listen to my opinions, but maybe you should try to do one or the other over both at once? If you wanted to go the lovely older unmarried MILF type, could always make a proper "den mother" Witchwolf that's up there in years, never settling down due to her peculiar wolfish condition (or maybe she did settle down, but all her kids left the house and the husband's dead?)

Look, I like Esmera as a character concept, but Aberrant Aegis just feels... Well, "awkward" on her. I understand the whole "she needs to be the odd one out, and unmarried" thing, which is why you could always say she's either a Pass for Human Tiefling, or simply infertile.

>>50619144
Yeah, had a feeling. What about 3 levels though, and then taking Greater Mercy? Since I have the Lame Curse I'll be immune to fatigue at about level 7, so that'd be an extra d6 guaranteed plus another 1 hp thanks to Fey Foundling. Though considering my DM doesn't inflict conditions often, the third level for the Mercy really doesn't seem to have much use beyond that.

>tfw the plan I had for a character's family tree is all screwed now because I didn't realize tieflings had extended life spans

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

>>50619247

>I shall have to think on it.

What's there to think about? The cantrips as-is are infinite.

>>50619273
I've got good news for you then, anon; they retconned that away like a year ago. Planetouched now age as humans do.

>>50619265
ULTIMATE MERCY

ULTIMATE MERCY

>>50619259
There's no such thing as two concepts that can't fit together, it's just a question of how creative you get with justification.

It depends on whether Esmera's concept or build is more important, because the only problem people are really complaining about is that the way they match up feels forced.

>>50619273

>I didn't realize tieflings had extended life spans


They don't though - at least, they both do and don't, officially they age like normal humans.

>>50619281
Saying he'll think about it is what DHB does to drop the topic and hope people forget about it so it stays unchanged.

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>>50619220
>>50619231
I have logs, but out of respect of the other players, I won't post them till I've gotten their permission.

Pic related.

>>50619288
>>50619300
Oh, phew. That was a close one. Thanks for saving me from myself, anons.

>>50619291
I don't think my Oradin will even have 10 uses of LoH total, let alone spend. Unless I take Extra Lay on Hands every few levels...

>>50619298

I suppose the thing is I'd rather keep both; since, as I said, the idea came from 'thread says we need more milfs' and 'I want to try out aberrant aegis'. I could try to make another milf character, to fulfill the thread's needs, but I don't believe I'd feel as happy about them as I do about Esmera.

>>50619334
DO IT, ANON. GET THAT 19 CHARISMA. BE THE MOST FABULOUS PERSON AT THE HARVEST FESTIVAL.

>>50619329

Just give us any juicy details you dare say in this thread, we're all scuttlebutt sluts and we need some details!

>>50619345
Stick with what you like.
Take the advice of the masses but don't bend to them.
/pfg/ aren't going to be the ones playing Esmera, you are.

>>50619346

Nigga we both know the most fabulous person is going to be the one with the stoutest CON and the prettiest dress!

Which begs the question of who has the prettiest dress, does anyone have Craft (Dresses?)

>>50619360
>Implying he'll get to play her at all.

>>50619368
I think Casimir has craft clothes?

And Aranha has Profession: Seamstress

>>50618996
Is it still vancian?

>>50619398
Do you think Profession (housewife) can be used to tailor clothes at higher DCs than a dedicated craft could do it?

>>50619348
Tags: Noncon, nakadashi, vukodlak.
Pretty vanilla, all things considered.

>>50619407
That feels like reaching.

>>50619407

Nope, Housewife would be to mend torn clothing, weaving new dressss would be Craft (Clothing).

>>50619398
>Seamstress
If I didn't know she was a spider I'd have some comments to make about that.

>>50619069
STATS TO SPELLS PER DAY was the mistake.
Cantrips at will is not a fucking problem.

And "LOL IT'S X+STAT PER DAY" for shit like a 1d3 fucking acid ray or something is shit for school powers too. They couldn't bring themselves to make it unlimited because somehow THAT would be broken?!?!?, so now you just have a fuckton you need to keep track of anyways.

It's shit fucking design. Fuck vancian.

>>50619281
>>50619307
I am seeing the reasoning behind infinite use cantrips. Instead of making them limited in use, as I had planned, I think instead I may change something else.

The point of limited use cantrips were to push people towards infinite use school powers. However it seems most people prefer infinite cantrips. However it was not really cantrips in and of themselves being infinite use that harms wizards design-wise.

I may instead limit the schools under which people can take cantrips from.

>>50619398

Casimir has Mechanical Genius, which I think makes him a master at crafting everything.

>>50619346
19 Charisma's not too hard considering I already have 18 from rolling 16 and adding my +2 racial to it. I'm totally down with being a charismatic motherfucker. That said, knowing how my DM runs things I don't even know how long it'd take for me to get my hands on some diamond dust to cast it.

>>50619428
...

Is... there a reference I'm missing?

>>50619443
I think the discussion last time was on what the difference is between making something with a Craft skill and a Profession skill.

>>50619437
Honestly "at-will" is a simple, strong balancing point that makes shit so much easier when designing abilities.
You have 'at will', 'slots/Day' and 'Once per day'

>How powerful is this
vs
>Is this worth the build 'slot' if it's only usable x/day
vs
>is this worth the build 'slot' if it's only usable once a day.

The problem with many spells for example is that they are balanced around #3, but are in fact #2, while many attack or blasting options in the game that are limited are in fact balanced as if #1 but are in fact #2.

This is how we get shit like "it's not even worth it, just use a fucking crossbow even though the crossbow's shit" for example.

>>50619428

Not every seamstress is a "seamstress", anon. Sometimes, you just need someone who can darn your socks.

>>50619472

Seamstress is analogous to an unmarried woman past marrying age but not quite THAT old.

>>50619469
That's the thing though man.

Ultimate Mercy lets you waive the material cost in exchange for you taking ONE negative level which goes away on its own at the end of the day.

>>50619472

>I think the discussion last time was on what the difference is between making something with a Craft skill and a Profession skill

Profession would be for something that could be considered a day's work, hardly extraordinary by itself beyond being of exceptional quality: cooking, mining and sailing are professions.

Crafting is producing one work that will endure throughout the campaign, or provide a powerful mechanical benefit.

>>50619473

Longbow does 1d8 damage at will at level 1

A first level spell should exceed 1d8 damage to even be worth a limited per uses lot. 1d8 damage is a cantrip.

>>50619526

but longbows are limited by how many arrows you have, and each arrow fired is a reduction of your WBL anon. That's why melee is superior, you don't have to literally shoot a preciously limited resource at the enemy.

>>50619494
Read some Discworld sometime, anything taking place in Ankh-Morpork. "Seamstress" gets a lot of mileage as a euphemism for what adventurers spend their gold on besides ale..

>>50619581

kek

>>50619582
Well, that makes sense! I mean, clothes are gonna get torn and ripped all the time for an adventurer, right?

>>50619507
Riiight, forgot the last tidbit after taking the negative level. Eh, suppose I could, though death has never really been a problem with this DM it seems. Not that he hasn't killed us, he's done that plenty (or at least he's done that plenty to the one player who keeps doing reckless shit). It's just that we don't die very often (excluding that previously mentioned player). There just isn't as much save or die bullshit as what typical high level PF does.

>>50619437
The problem with a lot of cantrips is as seen here >>50619526

This is something that irritates all spellcasters equally, though. Especially Magus.

>>50619581
>implying Arrows cost a meaningful amount of WBL
>implying anyone even keeps track of individual arrows after a certain point

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

>>50619525
So Craft is for solid, functional, difficult-to-make things, and Profession would be for fancy things? Fancy things which are mostly useless but worth their price due to fanciness?

>>50619526
Eh, I'd say 1d6 at level 1 is good cantrip level.

But then that's literally one point of damage difference. I guess it is level 1 though. Hm.

I think WotC had the right idea of it, really. Just give 'em like, a 1d4 magic attack they get to add their casting modifier to. Or heck, just their casting modifier in damage. Isn't that what they gutted Magic Missile down to in 4e or 5e after people bitched it wasn't an autohit?

>>50619582
Ah, that's what it was. The Seamstress' Union, right?

>>50619582

You didn't let me finish, anon.

Seamstresses - that is, unmarried older women, would often find their way into that line of work too.

>>50619621

Clerics in 4e got at-will lasers, and people hated that too

>>50619621
>I think WotC had the right idea of it, really. Just give 'em like, a 1d4 magic attack they get to add their casting modifier to.
Eldritch Blast is probably my favorite cantrip.

>>50619526
Show me one cantrip that does 1d8 instead of 1d3.

>>50619621

Nooooot necessarily, Craft is used for things like Painting and Sculptures, which are fancy things *and* difficult to make. If I had to provide an obvious line of delineation, Craft is for a singular object while Profession is for an activity, "cooking a meal" as opposed to "painting a nude portrait of Sandpoint's favorite girl."

>>50619593
Hello there Captain Carrot, nice of you to join us.

>>50619621
I kind of liked how 4e handled it with implements - you had like an enchanted casting symbol that your spells did damage based off of. So finding the ancient death-scepter of dreaded superlich was as big of a deal as finding the +5 holy avenger wielded by the archon-paladin guy.

>>50619526
I think there's a case to be me made for spells doing elemental damage

>>50619673
Hm.

Okay, so what we actually want is ARTISTRY for making fancy dresses?

>You are skilled in the creative arts, following your aesthetic sensibilities to bring to life the wonders of your imagination.

Why the fuck is Artistry an Int skill

>>50619673

W-who is Sandpoint's favorite girl?

>>50619713
But elemental is almost always worse than physical.

>>50619673
So, I hadn't put any points in it yet, but is there much utility in a druid putting points in herbalist and alchemy?

>>50619713
>ELEMENTAL DAMAGE IS TOTALLY A GOOD REASON FOR IT TO DEAL PEANUTS FOR DAMAGE

ah yes I understand, this is why a warlock vigilante's bolts don't get any scaling, my eyes have been opened to the light

>>50619758

Believe it or not, but art is a whole lot of intelligence! Hardly the wisdom-based skill you might expect.

Point is, Clothing is directly associated with Craft, an Int skill. If you want the most beautiful dress at the harvest ball, you'll need to use Craft.

>>50619758
To be fair having a good grasp of art, sculpting, etc requires you to be pretty smart.

>>50619762

Well, there is in herbalism - any Druid worth their salt should know what root numbs the gums and which one will ache a bad stomach.

>>50619765
It would be if half the bestiary didn't get elemental resistances for no fucking reason.

>>50619713
I think 'is probably a touch attack' is likely more impactful.

>>50619780
>>50619782
Now see, I woulda thought it'd be charisma! It's about things people like, how they're perceived, fanciness, etc.

It doesn't matter if your painting doesn't look like your model, as long as it looks GOOD.

>>50619758
I figure it's like knowing how to write a good story (Artistry, Craft) vs. knowing how to write something that evokes emotions or that you intend to present by reading aloud (Perform)

>>50619761
Really? I never quite thought of it that way. I mean sometimes elemental damage is important to shut down things like regeneration?

>>50619765
I think you're overreacting a bit anon, and I also think it was stupid that the bolts don't get any scaling as they're the primary class feature.

>>50619782

This, on the first day of Art class our professor drilled us on how "just go with your emotions" is total bullshit and the people who follow that line of thought are "starving" for a reason.

>>50619801
>Now see, I woulda thought it'd be charisma! It's about things people like, how they're perceived, fanciness, etc.
Charisma is about face to face interaction. Reciting poetry vs crafting it.

I mean many great artists and writers IRL were total fucking autists who were unlucky in love and personal relationships.

>>50619801

No no no, Intelligence is writing a good screenplay, Charisma is bringing that play to life on the stage! Plenty of playwrights were awkward shut-ins!

>>50619795
Wouldn't that, in theory, also be covered under nature knowledge? I'm sure it depends on the specific DM, just trying to get some insight into as I've played only one game, ever.

>>50619823
>>50619836

Another example is the number of people here who could craft a solid character, but insist on Text only because they freeze with voice.

>>50619810
Think of how much elemental is fucked by resistances compared to dr. Consider the lower damage of elemental. The touch AC thing is probably a bigger deal

>>50619842

It would! However, Knowledge (Nature) is knowing that root will soothe an upset stomach, Craft (Alchemy) is taking that root and turning it into a potion that fixes the upset stomach.

It's a matter of knowing what and knowing how, a Druid should know both.

>>50619876
Gotcha. I didn't put any points in them, yet, from some advice from a friend based on what he said (that no one in the group really uses craft or profession skills), but it just seems like untapped potential to me.

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>>50615829
>What's the cutest thing you've done in game.
Probably drunk Wizard.

>>50616178
Hoping to catch up on bills so I can work on one more quick little project before the end of the year.

>>50619922

Didn't she punch out a ghost?

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How many foxes would it take to beat your character?

>>50619922

>French Wizard
>Can't handle her liquor

MERDE.

>>50619937
Are they literally animals?

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>>50619937
Depends on the fox.

>>50619937
what kind of foxes?

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>>50619937
1

>>50619961

NOBODY CARES ABOUT KOREA.

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>>50619955
>>50619961
>>50619963
Foxes as pictured!

>>50620028

He looks like a birch.

I'd cut him down easy.

>>50619937
Approximately 0.5, but the rest of the party would prevent them from actually killing her.

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>>50619924
Yes.
While drunk.

>>50619939
It really is a mystery, especially since she was one of the few party members to be able to consistently make her saves, failing maybe a small handful of times over the course of the last two or so years.

>>50620110

How many cups does it take to get Elsbeth drunk?

>>50620026
NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOU. THOUGHT ABOUT THAT?

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>>50619643
Anyone who hates lasers is not just a bad person, but is also even bad at just *BEING* a person to begin with too.

>>50620153
Two. But apparently what she had was some of the more potent stuff her Dhampir host had to offer for their guests.

REMOVE FOX

>>50619713
I think your parents cried when they found out you were going to be retarded your whole life.

>>50620229
It could be worse. I could be you.

Childhood is when you idolize Iomedae.
Adulthood is when you realize Rovagug makes more sense.

>>50620188

IGNORING MY POINT AS USUAL

AS EXPECTED OF A BITCH

>>50620257
>t. 14 year old

>>50620257

What did he mean by this?

What is the baneposting of Pathfinder?

>>50620280
its not even baneposting its literally 14 year old who thinks he's deep posting.

>>50620257
>Rovagug
>not Jaidz

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>>50620257

I respectfully disagree.

>>50620292
>le misogyny god

>>50620218

LIGHTWEIGHT

LITERALLY THE ONLY LIGHT THING ABOUT HER, HA!

>>50620292

TELL ME ABOUT NORGORBER

WHY DOES HE WEAR THE MASK?

>>50620280

Charmed Life bitch

>>50620321
to hide the fact that he's 4 halflings in a coat

>>50620257
Replace Rovagug with Papa Asmo.

>>50620333
That's a lot of halfling

>>50620352
But Asmodeus is literally correct and Cheliax is the best country.

>>50620353

For you

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Does anyone have info for playable Tavi? I just got invited to play some Pathfinder with a friend, never played a pen and paper RPG, but saw these guys and thought they seemed cool.

My friend is telling me to fuck off because all he can find online is their bestiary entry. Apparently the playable Tavi material just came out or something?

Please send help.

>>50620393
what the fuck is a Tavi?

>>50620361
>Literal Satan
>correct

But why

>>50620409

According to the PFSRD, it's mongoose people.

>>50620409
Not that guy but wiki says they're mongoose people.

>>50620410
>Understands that mortals need to be ruled by a firm hand
>knows that the strong should rule the weak
>Master of the Art of the Deal

???

Reminder to ask the RotJR DM if Tailful Polymorph is in.

>>50620442
>would rather destroy the weak than put them to use or protect them
>would rather leave mortals unable to do anything of their own will, leaving them as vanity pets rather than useful servants
>would rather deceive than put himself above such things

Even Gorum shows mercy to those who cannot offer him a worthy challenge.

>>50620485

Why not you ask?

>>50620490
>misrepresentations

ecks to the dee anon

ecks to the dee

>>50620393
>>50620409
>>50620423
>>50620429
So are they that fucking new or something? No info?

>>50620531
Nobody has ever heard of this shit so it probably doesn't even exist you autistic idiot

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>>50620541
http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/193406/Racial-Profiles-The-Tavi

>>50620584
Cute awoo

>>50620541
>so it probably doesn't even exist

Way to look like a retard

>>50620584

That Wolf looks like it deserves to be bullied!

>>50620584
>http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/193406/Racial-Profiles-The-Tavi
>5th edition

YOU FUCKING RETARD

>>50620601
but i'm right, there's no Tavi race for Pathfinder you fucking double retard

Even if there is its 3rd party garbage from some company that NOBODY CARES ABOUT

>>50620096
How can someone be so feeble?

>>50620607
I've never played this shit and I have no idea what's going on. I just saw bipedal mongeese and wanted to play them. Please don't bully me.

>>50620353

>tfw no Halfling cook MILF

I'm working on some Antipaladin archetype homebrew that's something sort of like an Aberrant Aegis but with a larger emphasis on being an outer world horror / Cthulu Mythos inspired beast who uses their "suit" to turn into a beast with a mesh of abilities. You'd lose Smite Good and casting, tempted to turn Touch of Corruption into something else.

I need ideas for what customizations to use, like the Aegis there are 3 routes (Face, Brawn, Skill), but there's a 4th general route that is for those who want it all. Face is your Cha/Wis route if you wanna be some sorta ideal Hastur figure, Brawn for the Str/Con lovers, and Skill for your Dex/Int cheesebois.

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>>50620639
>PLEASE DON'T BULLY ME

you're in the wrong thread motherfucker

>>50620639
No, not even picking the same game is pretty bad anon.

>>50620639
/pfg/ is full of shameless turbospergs, don't worry about it. Best case scenario, your friend helps you stat up the race yourself because there's apparently nothing official playable stats for it.

>>50620656
in that anon's defense it looks like this tavi garbage is apparently written for both pf and 5th ed

This should horrify you, I know it horrifies me.

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>>50620607
>Mechanics for creating tavi player characters in both Pathfinder and 5th Edition rule systems.

NO YOUUUU

>>50620656
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/magical-beasts/tavi-mongoose-folk

He linked me to this site and I saw them so I assumed they were good to go. I didn't know "third party" shit existed that's tantamount to playing a modded furry race in some CRPG.

>>50620603
Don't bully awoos!

>>50620679
>its still garbage 3rd party from some literally never heard of writers

>>50620688
yes, its basically tantamount to playing a modded furry race

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Fuck furries, what about frogfolk

>>50620690

That Wolf has a funny hat, and her fur is dull and tangled!

>>50620722
Grippli

>>50620727
Don't bully awoos!

>>50620730
Evil Cleric Grippli who uses their tongue to deliver Cause Wounds

Death Grippli

>>50620762

HER BUTT FUR IS COVERED IN POO AND HER FACE IS UGLY