>Atlazan >Conquest of Power >Amonkhet >Hour of Devastation

>>50599804
The Hell is Atlazan?

>>50599849
Seems like the next plane after Amonkhet. The name and background art makes me think Mesoamerica. Seems like they'll do the whole conquistadors showing up thing, which will probably result in a political shitstorm regardless of how they play it.

Nice to see Vraska again at least.

>>50599849
Aztec inspired plane I'm guessing. Look at the background of the packs and you can kind of see an Aztec/Mayan calendar, it seems not!Aztecs are gonna get conquered by not!Spaniards again.

>>50599891
Ten bucks white people are the villains of "Atlazan"

>>50599928
Well, the Spaniards were a) white and b) objectively horrible people.

Mind, the Aztecs were also objectively horrible people.

There was a lot of horribleness happening in Mexico in the 1500s, is my point.

Atlantis-Mexico?

what an odd fucking choice

>>50599928

The conquistadores weren't exactly great people, so that'd be pretty historically accurate.

Not to say the Aztecs weren't so horrible their neighbors were glad to be rid of them, but it's not distorting history to show conquistadors being fucking dicks to everyone they come across.

>>50599891
> result in a political shitstorm regardless of how they play it.
Hyped as fuck

>>50599928
Obviously, and 4chan is going to get five kinds of buttblasted about it. Hopefully they're all tuckered out after all the POOLOO and KANGZ from the previous two sets though. I'm just tired of the fucking memeing and shitflingling.

>>50599955
I know that both were horrible assholes and seriously, at the time and space I can't say who is in the right or the wrong because it happened in the 1500's. My point, is that this"Atlazan" plane is going to show that the not!Aztecs were a bunch of friendly nature loving people, while the not!Spaniards are a bunch of assholes who bring industry and other stupid crap. Basically, instead of making it as not!Aztecs and not!Spaniards going at it, it's going to be about how wonderful the not!Aztecs are and how horrible the not!Spaniards are, and the not!Aztecs will win because "friendship".

>>50600017
Actually, given the name of the set it seems like they might show a relative amount of grey. Conquest of Power seems to imply that it's just big empires fighting it out, with the little people caught in between.

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>>50599983
Tenochtitlan was the 4th largest population center in the world, before it got destroyed.

This is the dumbest leak ever.

It comes from a fucking WIZARDS CUSTOMER SURVEY

Someone must be losing their job for this

>>50599804
I'm liking that cat masked babe.

>>50600067

>The gatewatch is contacted about the not!Aztec empire, which still does the tributes and human sacrifices thing and is doing their neighbors a concern
>They debate whether to help (Gideon at least is against meddling in planebound politics), but some of the neighbors found other outside assistance against the common enemy, the not!conquistadors.
>The gatewatch realizes very quickly that TWO evil conquering forces are going to war and something something Vraska and get involved.

>>50600116

I know?

It still has nothing do with Atlantis

>more Ajani

I'm in.

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The leak hasn't been up for an hour and the OP has already deleted his account. Someone's getting exiled

>>50600066
You think they won't have blood sacrifice and heart offerings to their gods?

>>50599849
>Aztec-sounding name
>pics of boosters from future sets
This isn't so much bad at magic as plain retarded in general.

>>50600151
the fuck makes atlantis relevant?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztl%C3%A1n

>>50599955
Sure, Spaniards are the Africans of Europe, but they were still infinitely better than those they met across the Atlantic.

>>50600175
Nope. The not!Aztecs are the non-aggressors, thus they must be better ethically then the aggressors, the not!Spaniards.

>>50600186
The thing is that I've heard nothing about it, and a Google search of "Atlazan" turns up nothing relevant,

https://www.google.com/#q=Atlazan&nirf=Aztlan

And those boosters look photoshopped as fuck.

So you'll forgive me for being circumspect concerning whether or not this is the next set after Amonkhet.

>>50599983
The Aztecs believed themselves to originate from a place they called Aztlán.

>>50600242

The real question is does the art on the boosters come from anywhere else. Typically if it's a fake you can find the art on somebody's DA or tumblr or something.

>>50600066
MAN I wish I could see the future like you. Then again, it must be difficult, being so clairvoyant.

>>50600242
>The thing is that I've heard nothing about it, and a Google search of "Atlazan" turns up nothing relevant,
Uh, because it's just been announced/leaked? What do you think you'd have heard or found on a google search after the Amonkhet announcement first went up

>So you'll forgive me for being circumspect concerning whether or not this is the next set after Amonkhet.
Well sure, every leak might be fake, but it's patently obvious that it's meant to be the next block, whether genuine or fake. So
>The Hell is Atlazan?
is still retarded as fuck and you're not making yourself look any brighter by pretending that wasn't what you were talking about.

>>50600289
Don't worry, within the next few years, you, lots of people on 4chan, and myself, will die in nuclear fire. So yes, it is difficult to be clairvoyant. ;^)

>>50600242
Too much new art to be fanmade and the story we're provided is plausible. The first stages of product development are not very polished so that's why they look photoshopped to you and some guy forgetting about his NDA is entirely possible. I'd be very surprised if this is fake, considering the OP panicked and deleted his account without even removing the post >>50600173

>>50600351
He's just making excuses for his idiocy in the first post>>50599849

>>50599804
>Conquest of Power
This shitty name alone makes me think its a shoop. Still. That's some pretty solid artwork.

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Haha wow the guy is in full panic mode. He's deleting everything with the same username.

>>50600514
>spray out his name
>don't spray out the tag that has his name

nice

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>>50600544
I goofed too. Doesn't matter really as I can't seem to find anything on him. The only thing he had under the same name was a tumblr so the only thing remaining are his reddit/tumblr posts in content rehoster sites.

>>50600544
>>50600640
That's not the half of anon's tardery. Rosewater's blog is there for anyone to see.

>>50600151
The aztecs builded their capital on A FUCKING LAKE. For reference, it is like building Venice wihtout the islands under it.

>>50599804
Can i get sauce on this shit? I'm not seeing it on the WOTC website.

>>50600721
Their pyramids were piles of rocks with masonry on the outside. Egypt's pyramids were actual buildings.

>>50600705
Plus someone in the reddit comments mentioned his username and you can see it with Uneddit. Now that I think about it, I may be screwing this guy up by linking him to the leak but I'm sure I'm note the only one who screencapped it.

Tomorrow I'll probably wake up to an announcement from wizards.

>>50600724
Nigga it's called a leak. It is the source.

>>50600778
not*
I'm sure I'm not*
fuck I need sleep

>>50600778
>Tomorrow I'll probably wake up to an announcement from wizards.
Wonder how many judges they'll ban this time!

>>50600792
No shit. Where are you people getting the images from?

>>50600640
His reddit account is still cached by google, and there's easily enough info on there to fuck him good. Serves him right.

>>50600724
Someone leaked it on reddit, then went into full panic mode and tried to cover their tracks ineptly.

>>50600828
That is fucking hilarious. Someone just got fired.

>>50600802
Read the thread you major grade retard.

>>50599804
>Jungleland plane.
>STILL NOT FUCKING MURANGANDA!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK YOU WOTC!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>50600867
>cave men and dinosaurs = Aztecs

The real criminal act here is that we're getting Egypt and Mesoamerica and no snake people. Even Japan got them, but the places they belong?

>>50599983
Considering the Disney movie that did basically the same shit, not really.

>>50600894
I would have preferred we go to Muranganda instead of another plane with jungleland themes. This means we are even LESS likely to ever go to Muranganda, because now we have a jungleland set/plane. And we will probably revisit this jungleland plane again in the future over Muranganda.
Fuck WOTC.

>>50600955
Honestly I'd rather a brand new primitive world place instead of Muraganda.

>>50599804
Just shut up and give me my Egyptian God Cards in MTG already.

>>50600242
It was leaked in a customer survey by Wizards that many people, including me, recieved

>>50600139
I bet she's the Not!Bastet cat god.
She looks mono white, though. I would've guessed the gods to be tricolor. But maybe she's just a random champion. After all, Amonkhet is about people facing trials so Bolas can have his army of qualified fighters.

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>>50601013
Here you go.

>>50600986
>Not wanting to ride dinosaurs and shoot lasers at shit.
Get out.

>>50600986
>Honestly I'd rather not have dinosaurs and giant dinosaurs and other prehistoric megafauna
yeah well your opinion is bad and you should feel bad

>>50599804

>hour of devastation star a cool looking mummy

I'm ok with it.

>>50601065
Sure I do. Just not Muragandan dinosaurs.

>leaking something on Reddit instead of 4chan

I guess some people just want to be the target of a law suit.

>>50601059
That isn't Yawgmoth

>>50599849
WE MEXICO PLANE NOW

>>50601118
>instead of 4chan
Right because 4chan, formerly run my Christopher "I need to see IDs and get a signed contract from internet people" Poole, is always run to protect posters.

>>50601205
Certainly more so than Reddit.

>>50601250
aka purely accidentally thanks to the format of the website.

>>50601051
>I bet she's the Not!Bastet cat god.

I bet she's Elspeth, rescued from the Theros underworld and enslaved by Bolas.

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>>50601498
Why would Bolas care about another plane with gods and a random person he hasn't even met?

Are there even any connections between Bolas and Elspeth? Elspeth -> New Phyrexia -> Tezzeret -> Bolas - is all I can think of. Or did they meet during the Conflux on Alara?

>>50601586

I mean, I think she helped Rafiq kill Malfegor, but would Bolas care?

>>50601498
elspeth is dead as shit, and she's gonna stay that way until ajani rescues her and NTR's her from daxos

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>>50601699
>that moment when Ajani told Tamiyo and Narset that Elspeth would not be joining them in their story circle

Ajani was a cool dude. Why'd they relegate him to second-class planeswalker and give us Scowling Human Male?

>>50601871
just because he's not in the limelight as much doesn't mean he's second-class. he's kind of the "wizened old guy who's better than you but you're okay with that because he's cool" planeswalker now.

>>50599804
The multiverse might as well be changed into a earth-like planet at this point with a bunch of nations.

>fantasy Central Asia plane
>fantasy India plane
>fantasy Greece plane
>fantasy Mesoamerican plane
>fantasy Egypt plane
>fantasy Eastern Europe plane

What's next, fantasy Liberia?

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>>50601931
>Still no Roman Empire plane

>>50601931
Nah. Ice/Tundra Plane. Semi-industrial like Kaladesh, but not quite there, like WWI style.

MTG Plane of Mother Russian, complete with fur hats and coats.

>>50601998
What is Theros?

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>>50602017
>implying they won't go to the Norse plane after all this

>>50599804
Maybe
Maybe
The white conquistadors are new phyrexia
and mesoamerica plane gets BTFO'd to show us new phyrexia ain't phucking around.

>>50601931
>What's next, fantasy Liberia?
Nah, can't have anywhere that makes westerners look like good guys and third-worlders like like incompetent savages.

>>50602072
Mine is more:

-Maybe
-Maybe
-The had better release some Legendary Enchantment Creatures in this one
-Also this one. Quetzalcoatl inspired Commanders would be sick.

>>50599928
Everyone is a villain in mexican history.

>>50602109

>Legendary Enchantment Creature: Dragon Bird God

>>50600867

Every set that isn't Muraganda hurts

>>50601931
There are lots of things to complain about concerning Magic's current story and worldbuilding, but this ain't one of them.

In the good, old times we had fucking Venice: The Plane and Medieval Japan: The Plane and we fucking loved it.

I still miss Dominaria.
No plane will ever again be as great as Dominaria.

>>50600066
If this shit isn't BR empire vs UB conquistadors with a bunch of naya/jeskai tribes of losers caught in between. It's not at all like the conquest of mexico.

>>50602137
Don't think the text box could hold all that. It can barely hold
Legendary Enchantment Creature: God
As is.

>>50602091
Bruh, you're aware that Liberia was founded by westerners and destroyed itself due to their self-important perception of themselves, right?

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>>50602017
>What is Theros?
>Not being able to tell the difference between Greek and Roman

>>50600151
Tenochtitlan was Atlantis if you compare it to other stone-age cultures.
They refused to use metal in industry and didn't even need to because they completely dominated the power of water.

>>50602168
Exactly: it's what happens when African-America gets to govern itself.

>>50600753
Aztec pyramids are mausoleums, at the bottom and temples at the top, the insides were blown up on purpose by jesuits.

>>50602272
source or it didn't happen

Amonkhet: Bolas creates trials for people who mostly just die, those that ascend to planeswalkers are met by him who convinces them that they are gods and makes them naive to the true nature of the multiverse. They revere him as their own god and he makes them hunt down the Gatewatch.
Hour of Devastation is Bolas's return to Amonkhet, wherin he plans to use the multiplanar device brought by Tezzeret to invade other planes with his gods/armies.
I believe we will see a new series of planeswalker/god cards that are either indestructible enchantments that become planeswalkers upon completion of a "task" or creatures that do so.

>>50602335
Oh, and the "Masterpiece" "Expeditions" from this block are going to be reprints of the 15 old Gods with new art and 5-10 of the new "god-walker" cards.

>>50599955
Spaniards are white?

>>50600189
>the fuck makes atlantis relevant?

uh, maybe the fact they spelled it ATLAzan and put a picture of a fucking merfolk on it?

>>50602335
>>50602383
Yeah that's retarded, ignores basic facts about the story and the product, and is going to be 0% accurate. Not a single thing could possibly be right.

>>50602201
They didn't"refuse to use metal" they didn't HAVE any fucking metal.

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>>50602440
What's the brown stuff that's totally not mud and debris?

>>50602413
Wow, what a compelling and thoughtful argument.

Merfolk in a Magic setting? Obviously it confirms Atlantis. You are such a smart and reasonable human being.

>>50602412
I'm mexican and I'm brown despite having 0% indigenous blood because I have moorish blood.
No, most spaniards aren't quite white, they're mixed with arab and will look whitish if living in cold climates, but instantly turn brown as they approach the tropics.

>>50602461
/tg/ - bad at magic

>>50600034
>not being tired of SJW faggots demonizing white people yet crying "racism" at fucking everything

How's that women's studies degree going, fag?

>>50602439
They had gold, copper, platimun and disgusting ammounts of silver, plus some mercury.
They used metal for jewelry and paint because obsidian was better for weapons and water beat the wheel for transportation.

They discovered the wheel and said no fuck this we don't have horses and slaves are more useful cultivating shit than playing donkey, make a huge-ass stone-age venice and call it a day. And it worked!

>>50602482

I feel like a better way to quiet the SJWs calling things racist would be not to take the presence of brown people in a magic set as a personal attack, anon.

>>50599804
Wait why are those boosters that shape.
Are they switching to the pokemon setup

>>50602460
It is mud/debris.
Mesoamericans had some onion-shit going on with their buildings, they made buildings over buildings with little gardens and everything. 1.- is the inner sanctum temple for religious events, 2,3 and 4 are mausoleums, 6 is the outer walls with the temple on top being for government events since priests were pope and president only second to the emperor.
5 represents debris because the pyramids were either blasted or buried. there's been a lot of artificial mountains in mexico that sprout pyramids when they try to remove them for infrastructure.

I can't believe the spoiling of non-game related information makes people this excited.

I want fucking cards. Who gives a shit if they're spoiling booster pack images and set names. When has interesting gameplay ever correlated with interesting art.

Fucking Snapcaster Mage looks like the most retarded thing on the planet. He has a gun strapped to his arm.

>>50600066
I doubt it.

If there is one thing wizards is good at its having fairness to both sides look at tarkir even the transexual led clan were arseholes.

>>50599804

>gorgon, so maybe more Vraska

yeah I'm hyped

>>50601871
Because MUH MAN MEAT meme.

>>50602608

Individual booster packaging has always looked like that

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>>50599804
>Thoughts?

Have they killed the nuwalkers yet?
No?
Then there's really nothing to get hyped about, is there? The fact that Ajani's on the art tells us nothing is going to improve.
Wake me when they reveal some cards.

>>50602608
Booster packaging has been that way for awhile now if you're buying them one at a time. The traditional foil package is inside. They just use recyclable materials for the tamper evident outside.

>>50602467

pretty much 75% of spaniards are pretty fucking white, and most that aren't live in areas with a lot of sun or are more gypy than anything else

t. Spaniard

>>50601871
Not human enough. Not generic enough. I mean, he's still really generic, but by nuwalker standards he's got enough personality to merit a change in his color identity and that's too much for the """face of the franchise""" Manateers. Just look at Garruk getting kicked out for Nissa after they started stapling B to his mana costs.

>>50602623
>I can't believe the spoiling of non-game related information makes people this excited.

We didn't know the name of the set after Amonkhet. The packaging also gives us images that we can speculate on for plot, possible creature types, and Planeswalkers. We would all love card spoilers, of course, but this isn't nothing.

https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/807003341444161536

So Wizards is trying to sweep it away, but didn't actually deny the block is real.

If they were just doing random mockups it would be Kaladesh, not invent a whole new fucking plane.

>>50602617
So piles of dirt with masonry on top.

>>50602776
>to test packaging design concepts--not test actual packaging

All they said is that the packaging is not final.

As far as I know, at this point in time "Khanar" became "Tarkir". They will probably still have to get the name approved and also maybe still have more art for the next block to roll in.

>>50602812
The dirt was added by the fantastic white architects from the renaissance.
They missed home.

>>50602726
>plot, possible creature types, and Planeswalkers
See, I treat that as nothing. A part of me also doesn't treat it as nothing. See, I think Wizards wastes our time coming up with new creature types like Aetherborn and Dwarfs. I don't know why the Aetherborn aren't vampires or zombies who are named Aetherborn and why Dwarfs aren't Kithkin.

I'm not a casual player but there's more casual deckbuilding potential if they just stopped designing new creature types. Nacatl and Leonin are just cats, that's perfect. It was smart of them to kill Cephalids as a creature type that competed with Merfolk (I would have been fine if they killed Merfolk instead). And now they're just going backwards. They're just adding new creature types. Eldrazi are fine - those are unique enough.

>>50602875
Because vampires or zombies would've been too dark for Kaladesh.

Dwarves are in Kaladesh because people had been asking for more dwarves for years. Kithkin aren't as popular as dwarves.

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>>50602875
>Dwarfs
>New creature type

>>50602875
>Eldrazi are fine
I could almost take you seriously up until this point.

>>50601931
fucking this

It's a multiverse comprised of a trillion fantasy worlds. Please WoTC, think of something original. You have a creative team for a reason

Are they seriously going with the cardboard packs after the MM fuck up?

>>50602965
>You have a creative team
HAD a creative team. Whatever they have now, it's not creative.

That said I'd prefer generic "x but fantasy" planes to them pillaging the old canon again. God forbid we get a repeat of Scars of Mirrodin.

>>50602861
One butthurt moral relativist.

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>>50602965
>"Can we please go to an Egypt world?"
>Wizards: "Sure, here you go!"
>"WOW, WIZARDS, WHY CAN'T YOU THINK OF SOMETHING ORIGINAL"
>Wizards: pic related

>>50602912
Fuck off, stop cherry picking examples. They printed one Dwarf card in Lorwyn, the creature type before that was effectively extinct. You could use the exact same art they used in Kaladesh and given them the creature type Kithkin and you would make all five Kithkin enthusiasts happy that they have fresh synergies for their pet tribal deck.

>>50602916
So tell me what pre-existing creature type we could shoehorn Eldrazi into? Horror? I would have been fine with that. Horror-tribal-the-set.

>>50602965
Because people like this>>50602899 are too focused on stereotypical portrayals of things like zombies to believe they could be anything but incarnations of evil, even though people repeatedly state that every color is capable of evil.

>>50603038
>Horror-tribal-the-set.
Oh man, my dick for this. Torment 2.0. Horror is the coolest Black tribe no question.

>>50602776
Only one single non-retarded reply to their tweet:
>and what, thr packaging team made up a whole new plane for their tests? Pull the other one.

>>50602839
They obviously fucked up and are trying to brush it under the carpet. If they were really at that stage, they would have said "at this point no names are final". The fact they didn't proves it is. If it was just a mockup, they'd have said that too. Again, they didn't, which proves it isn't. Hence their wording, dismissive but without denying what must be the truth.

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>>50603038
Wrong, there are 4 dwarves and they're all in Eventide. Reintroducing new creature types is good, especially broad ones like dwarves and orcs. Kithkin should have never had their own creature type, and Eldrazi should have been horrors.

That said, I agree with aetherborn being a stupid inclusion. They should have been non-artifact constructs.

>>50603031
Listening to the portion of your player base who have shit-taste in creativity in fantasy is your own goddamn fault. Just because your players ask for stupid shit doesn't mean you should give it to them nor is it the only way to satisfy them.

>>50603074
>old creature types

Well I fucked that one up.

>>50603074
Actually, Eldrazi having their own creature type is fine. It's for very limited tribal, like Slivers or Myr. Aetherborn, who have no tribal interactions, didn't need a creature type at all.

What we really need is a set about nomadic planar settlers and a handful of planeswalkers trying to settle a wild and uninhabited plane.

Welcome to Muraganda.

>>50603074
>non-artifact constructs
that would have been pretty neat

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>>50603081
>wanting Magic's take on real world mythologies is "stupid shit"

Anon, you are pretty much delusional and full of your own shit at this point. Get your head out of your ass for once.

>>50602971

these are the cardboard cladding they put on them for racking in stores, it's foil inside

>>50603109
The same could've been said about every new creature type Magic has ever done.

Note, that there is in this very thread another guy who complains that Magic only does existing worlds which shows that the creative team is "lazy". You are literally the opposite of that person.

>>50603031
>Reddit: "Can we please go to an Egypt world?"
>Wizards: "Sure, here you go!"
>4chan: "WOW, WIZARDS, WHY CAN'T YOU THINK OF SOMETHING ORIGINAL"
>Reddit: "WOW, WIZARDS, WHY CAN'T YOU THINK OF SOMETHING ORIGINAL"

Can't wait for all the gay and tranvestite aztec and spanish war leaders.

>>50603182
Nigga, Egypt world was literally the most wished plane (alongside with Norse/Viking plane) two years ago here on /tg/.

>>50603205
I will forgive Wizbro all the forced SJW pandering if they give us a legendary trap Cleopatra.

>>50603248
There will be Fransisco Pizzeria, a tranvestite version of Pizzaro.

>>50603261
Cleotrapra or nothing.

>>50603167
I just think there is a certain amount of measuring that needs to be done about the inclusion of new creature types at this point. If something is going to be potentially plane or storyline exclusive, like Myr, Kithkin, and Eldrazi, they should only get a unique creature type if a mechanic is going to play on that. Otherwise, some pre-existing creature type should be co-opted to fit them. They already have the standard fantasy bases covered, and now with the re-inclusion of orcs and dwarfs they have even more room to avoid creating type-bloat. This is important for two reasons. The more important of which is pre-existing type synergy from past sets and the other is simply because clutter is always going to be a negative for stuff like this.

>>50603000
There's notthing wrong with having your enemied driven before you and hearing the lamentations of their women. But insisting against all proof that their shit wasn't cute before you fucked it up is top class faggotry.

If your enemy wasn't big shit, you're not big shit either. And aztecs where the biggest shit and closest to fucking Atlantis among stone-age cultures.

>>50603208
If Wizards came to 4chan for Magic feedback and they acted on "I want Magic-Egypt" from here as opposed to, "Why the fuck is this game so expensive" or "My store is struggling" or "Nobody gives a shit about SJW pandering" or "Eternal is dying" then that makes Wizards the most incompetent people on the planet.

So let's continue thinking that they don't come here for feedback. Because if you're going to outrageously credit 4chan for loving Egypt-Magic so hard, then you're going to accept that precious Wizards is a bunch of fuckwads.

>>50601931
Wouldn't that be something if that was something Wizards was building to? Like, all these planes that are based on real-life cultures are fragments of an Earth-like world/an alternate version of Earth that was separated into fragmented planes by some cataclysm or something?

>>50603312
What from that post suggested that the idea for Egypt world came from 4chan? I only said that Egypt world was something people really wanted - including here on 4chan.

>>50603311
>Stone Age

I mean, they only used Stone but that doesn't make them Stone Age. They were at least as educated and industrious as the Bronze Age Mediterranean. That is, of course, disregarding the fact that Stone Age actually refers to times not technological achievements.

>>50603311
>and closest to fucking Atlantis among stone-age cultures.
No, they were a stone age culture among stone age cultures.

>>50603354
>be as educated as people who smelt metal
>don't know how to smelt metal

>>50602839

>muh 'khanar became tarkir because warlords of draenor came out the same year as (warlords of khanar) would'

>>50602623
snapcaster is a geistmage on innistrad, that gun lets him shoot burning ghost at people

>>50603395
They also didn't have the wheel, but got by just fine without it. Their cities were at least as large and well populated as those in the Near East and bigger than those in Mycenae and later Greece. Hell, late Aztec cities were arguably nicer than Roman ones. They also had gold working, but that's kinda different. The only thing they lacked was metal working, because it never became necessary. Similarly, the Romans never figured out mechanization because they had so many slaves.

>>50603381
you're mom is a stone age culture.

>>50603448
>defending the knowledge people who literally couldn't figure would a circle rolls

>>50603541
They had it on children's toys, they just never bothered to push it farther.

Like how the Greek figured out steam power but then just used it for magic tricks.

>>50602383
>Reprinting world specific characters in another world
Fuck you're retarded. The Masterpiece/Expedition cards have to be nonspecific.

>>50603395
As noted, Romans never developed machines because they had slaves. Aztecs never developed iron because they had obsidian for surgery/weaponry and water for industry.

Tenochtitlan was so well designed if you replace the water for asphalt it looks more like a modern metropoli than most Victorian "cities".

>>50603558
That's like calling ourselves smart if we only had baby monitors but no telephones.

>>50603584
Are you calling the Greeks and Romans stupid? Because both of them were perfectly content to continue on with slaves and never mechanize.

>>50603584
It makes us smarter than anyone without wireless communication.

>>50600066
This is the same shit people said about Kaladesh.

>>50603584
You're a retard.
The real comparison here is continuing using kerosen after you have the bulb because some faggot across the sea thinks electricity is too complicated.

You know what the absolute top of industry is right now when it comes to cutting? Plasma, obsidian and water. 2/3 the aztecs were already using 600 years ago.

>>50603558
They never used it for something more because getting steam to do some actual work requires boilers and plumbing that were far beyond their metallurgy. And boilers are hungry monsters when you have to rely on wood to fuel them, since the Greeks didn't have the ability to mass-mine coal, either.

>>50603541
But they did know, but never used it because they didn't have anything to pull the carts? Like one big thing that fucked over the Americas is that the only beast of burden they had were dogs with the NA Plains groups.

>>50603560
He also said Bolas would trick planeswalkers into thinking they were gods and that there would be actual gods, with no explanation. Like reading My Immortal.

>>50603674
And it kinda is true. The bad guys are Tezzeret, a white-aligned Vedalken and the only other two white men in the plane other than Chandra's dad.

>>50603606
>and never mechanize.
Educate yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

>>50603691
I'm taking strictly reprints, but yeah, he's just wildly guessing the story.

>>50603541
The pottery wheel is probably the first recorded use of a circle to do something, so they knew it'd spin.
They also pulled sleds on logs.
Yet the wheel lagged behind both for quite a while. Makes me wonder why.

Huh... It's a /tg/ goes /his/ argument. Neat. It's downright sentient compared to our usual arguments.

>>50603687
Aztecs thought the wheel was a toy because a guy with a stick in a raft could move three times more products/people than three guys with wheelbarrows, and in less than half the time.

Development is not a straight line, the right invention at the wrong time, in the wrong place, is not progress. This monomaniac need to homogenize is half the reason the world is so fucked up today.

>>50603606
It all came down to money. IF feeding and housing a slave was cheaper than buying and maintaining a machine to do the same job, you go for the cheaper one

>>50603769
The Aztecs didn't use the wheel cause they didn't have any fucking animals to pull carts with. Llamas are shit domestic animals

>>50603713
>Has the word mechanism in it
>Durr mechanization

Nigga what?

Also Greeks fucking forgot how to make those, and we've only ever discovered one. There's no evidence it wasn't itself a one off thing intended as a novelty.

>>50603807
You just added information to what he said, not argued his point.

>>50603811
Honestly it probably just came down to cost. the greeks DID have some pretty advanced machines, but they were only in places like temples and such, since they could AFFORD those neat things.

>>50603826
I never intended to argue his point, I was just adding a rather critical bit of information he lacked.

So is Autokermit gonna disappoint like Lunevic.

>>50603988
Wut

>>50603826
Aztecs didn't even have llamas.
Disinfo is strong in this thread.

>>50603988
If they make Nu-chol Bolas shitty I'm gonna be pissed.

>>50603879
Every street in your city is now a river. Do you want a super civilized chariot and three horses. Or a boat?

>>50603730
>I'm taking strictly reprints, but yeah, he's just wildly guessing the story.
Oh I know what you meant, the whole point of masterpieces is to fit the new block, but his story is worse that a wild guess, it contradicts itself: it's about planeswalkers told they were god, yet the cards, not just reprints, will still include actual gods.

>>50603741
It's better than a /tg/ thread just spamming /pol/ and /int memes
And we have that with Kaladesh and probably we will have it with Aether Revolt

>>50603811
>I don't know what mechanization is
Could have said so before I wasted time replying to you.

>>50602875
>Wizards shouldn't come up with new creature types like dwarves, why aren't they Kithkin

are you retarded?

>>50601931
Innistrad being the eastern european plane or what?
Did i miss something?

>>50604451
Ravnica is slavic

>>50602156
Agreed. This theme world shit is boring.

>>50604496
I know
But sorin for instance is romanian and hes from Innistrad or not

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>>50600724
>>50600792
>>50600828
Wizards twitter just confirmed this, at least as packaging concepts.
So the names of the set are likely true.

Sauce: https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/807003341444161536

>>50604547
Innistrad wants to pretend to be prussian with it's naming conventions, but it ultimatedly is a Universal Horror Ûberwald.

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>>50599804

>Atlazan
looks like we'll be need a reprint of something

>>50604740
Mexicans have mountainwalk and islandwalk, not plainswalk.

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>>50604796
>the joke
-
-
-
-
>your head

>>50603074
You're a fucking idiot, there's shit loads of pre eventide dwarves

>>50604857
The joke is shit.
The classic meme is mexicans digging tunnels so ridiculous you can fit a whole city in there. Coming down the river and popping up in a Los Angeles sewer and spontaneously showing up in Arizona mountain caves to the sound of mariachi music.

Trump ruined quality absurdist comedy with fucking boring reddit-tier memes about walls.

The fence jumpers are niggers.

>>50603038
>Stereotypical
They tried that out with Kamigawa spirits. It didn't end up well because people has a defined idea of "spirit", MaRo said that people come in with defined ideas, which is why the Trojan horse isn't a lion.

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>>50599804

Are they just fucking going through all real-world cultures one by one and basing a set on them with the names changed? Really? That's the limit of WotC's imagination these days?

Someone is getting fired for this. WoTC is freaking out on twitter.

"g-guys it was just for the customer survey. It's not art for the new sets!"

>>50599804
I can't wait for them to fuck up Mesoamerican lore
Back to back pyramid planes sound interesting though.

>>50605058
>>50601931
>>50602965

any bets on the next culture we see?
I'm thinking gypsies

>>50605186
Nah, not a real solid culture
I feel like we're gonna have 3 returns in a row. Assuming that Jace ditching his responsibilities for so long results in shit hitting the fan, we might get RtRtR. Assuming not, either Alara, Lormoor, or some other place that isn't New Phyrexia, Dominaria, or Kamigawa

>>50605058
yeah, because the totally original donut steal plane Ulgrotha went over so well

Wizards could print nothing but liquid gold with the promo card being a $100 bill and you fuckwits would complain it's too difficult to deckbuild since there's too many cards to choose from.

>>50602715
I can understand wanting them generic when your going to be using them over and over again for some reason but isnt nonehuman a good thing still.

>>50602875
Creature types are a tough balancing act.

In general i would say race variety is good but they need to cut back on classes.

Or maybe just have subraces so you can have the specific race and also the general type like vampire aetherborn.

>>50605240
Vryn is inevitable
The whole thing was a test of how people would react to a more high tech plane and with how much they are milking best walker its gonna be great to send him home

>>50605327
I think having 2-5 relevant tribes in each color/color combo is healthy for the game. There's only so many variations of lord you can print. There's only so much flavor you can pack into a tribe before they lose identity. Sticking all the tribal support also overloads shit and lets stuff like Fish happen where you just build a tribe of lords.

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>Egypt AND Mesoamerica

>>50605396
I swear to god if there is not a SINGLE overmuscular, underclothed male character in Atlazan barring Ajani, he never wears clothes, I will be peeved

>>50605396
https://youtu.be/F_t9zInX2XA

>>50605247
>yeah, because the totally original donut steal plane Ulgrotha went over so well

That is such a bad fucking example. Literally nobody complained about the flavor in Homelands. People hated Homelands because IT WAS THE WEAKEST SET EVER MECHANICALLY.

>>50605627
literally nobody complains about the flavor of a set unless the card/power level is also dogshit

>>50599983
Honestly I've been wanting a "Waterworld" plane for a while now, and this might be a fun choice.

Plus... a Surface dwellers vs Oceanic ancient civilization could add another flavoring thing to the Conquistador vs Aztecs dynamic>>50599891 said.

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>>50603074
>Wrong, there are 4 dwarves and they're all in Eventide.
kek

>>50599905
Definitely not fucking Vraska, a woman. You fucking retard.

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>>50599804
The only thing I want from a Mesoamerican-themed set is a R or B/R Legendary Creature called Quetzalacatenango. The Merciless.

>>50600955
But anon Muraganda is the worst plane.

>>50605784

Muraganda is the best plane because it will introduce mechanics that finally make Gray Ogre good.

>>50602692
>Have they killed the nuwalkers yet?
In general... I kind of wish more of these planes walker cards died in general. If only A) bring in new blood and B) for there to be stakes.

Gatewatch in general are pretty safe, no duh. But I'd like to see what happens to other characters.

>>50603205

Considering that Aztec society had a third gender that it's believed some members of their priesthood belonged to (iirc it depended on the god) that would actually be historically accurate.

Not that it would stop people from complaining.

>>50603674
>A white aligned vedalken.
That's reaching.

>>50606039

I also really don't feel like Kambal or Tezzeret are meant to be seen as white guys, so really the only antagonistic white person on Kaladesh is Baral.

>>50602195
Shits combined into Greco-roman for a reason Leginanon. Now pick your Xiphos back up and get back into the Phalanx.

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>>50606075
True. Tezzeret looks too "Whitish guy Rastafarian" to really count.

>>50606115
Tezzeret's problem is that he is constantly being lit by incredibly bright light sources in almost every one of his images, because MtG artists are hacks when it comes to 'Walkers.

Fun fact:

Incans had the ability and technology to smelt steel and gold but used it in their jewelry instead of weapons because Incan society valued the sheen and luster of the metal instead of its protective/offensive qualities when applied to weaponry.

>>50606263
No wonder they got fucking rekt

>>50605855
It'd make them piss their pants in rage because that third gender was pretty much "the eunuch that'll take care of mom when she's old".
It was a prestigious possition in their society because moms are important and you're shit if you don't love your mom. But SJWs hate families, moms included.

>>50606320
Also because, with their constant raids for sacrifices, none of their neighbors liked them and willingly helped the Spanish.

>>50606570

>But SJWs hate families, moms included

That sounds made up.

>>50606683

Are you suggesting that people make up stupid generalizations so that they don't have to think too hard about things they don't like or agree with?

>>50606701

Well, that would be ridiculous. Who would–

Oh god.

OH GOD, IT'S EVERYONE.

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>>50606729

>>50606744
>>50606729
>>50606701

Oh, so that's why people on /tg/ blame:

-Generals
-Quests
-Lack of Quests
-Mods
-Nu/tg/
-SJW'S
-/pol/
-Elves
-Dwarves
-GW
-Matt Ward
-WOTC

For everything.

>>50606816
It's why anyone does anything

>>50606596
This is also the reason the aztecs were defeated

>>50603031
Listening to your fans is a stupid fucking decision for some things because your fans don't really want some of the things they ask for, they just think it'd be cool.

>>50600175
>exploit as a returning mechanic

>it's available to both factions, creating delicous delicious double entendres

>>50606917
Compare to the Incas, who were a federationof bureaucratic farmers, and were integrated into Spanish culture fairly well, even getting to practice their worship on the side, so long as they were Christian all the other time.

Granted, they were also built in the fucking Andes, which really hampered Spanish horsemen and thus the spread of conquistadors.

>>50606917
The aztecs were defeated by smallpox. They were beating the spaniard-indio alliance untill a sudden decimation in their population atributed to a plague.

A stone age civilization was beating a mercenary expedition from the world's most powerful and technologically advanced country at the time.

>>50606947

Although from what I understand there is also the belief the Aztecs thought being sacrificed was an honorable death, comparable only to dying in battle or the women's equivalent, dying in childbirth. So there were both voluntary and involuntary sacrifices to take into account. Probably a black/white divide mechanically.

>>50600721
>builded

It's fucking built. I keep seeing this mistake. Am I getting memed?

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>>50599804
>When u like Indian mythology and Mesoamerican mythology and u real hyped for this set but because everything has to be political these days people on both the left and right won't let me have my stupid fun and have to turn everything into a racial argument

:^(

>>50606596
That was the Aztecs.
Inca were a different people, with very different mythology, and lifestyle

>>50605821
Red gets vanilla 3/2s for that cost now.
Grey ogre will never be good.

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>>50607257
Fuckin whoops
And I call myself a History teacher
Sudoku, here I come

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>>50599804

I hope we get a tlaloc based creature

>>50607289
I mainly know this from playing Dominion 4 when I was surprised the Inca inspired nation had nothing like the Aztec nation except for basic foot soldiers.
I then learned the cultures were super separate.
Mayan had much more sharing with the Aztec iirc.

>>50600867
why the FUCK have we not gotten a dinosaur set yet?

>inb4 the fuck it up royally by doing some Khans of Tarkir time shift horse shit where the first set is dinos and the second set is some stupid advanced future bullshit that ruins the entire plane

>>50607476
>Dinosaurs with lasers
>Fucking it up
Get out

>>50605781
I just realized everyone's missing the big picture.

We might have too God sets in a row.

HYPE!!!

>>50607476

The funny thing is there is not, to the best of my knowledge, a dinosaur creature type at the moment. That just seems wrong.

>>50602482
>>50600034
Both sides dehumanizing the other isn't an excuse to be a racebaiting little shit

>>50607348
Well that's because they occupied the same space. The Mayans were direct predecessors to the Aztec, and also coexisted with them and fought wars with them even. The Inca were half a continent away seperated by thick ass jungles and huge mountains.

>>50606977
They also had Bronze Working and good kinda fight back. Shame they got so ridiculously fucked by small pox then were dumb enough to let their king get kidnapped.

>>50606683
mom has internalized misogyny from living with our shitty cishet bigot dad, she doesn't get it

>>50602051
The plane Valla is always speculated as Norse, but I get heavy Eastern Germanic themes from it instead.

So, I dunno. Maybe Ir?

>>50602335
I like this idea mostly because it adds to the multiversal peril that Creative spent a whole year destroying

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>>50607348
Mayans are highlighted in orange, Aztecs in green, Incas in blue, Yaqui in red.

Aztecs had a much easier time going to fuck with great plains indians than ever meeting the Incas, as evidenced by their constant harassment of the aforementioned Yaqui peoples.

>>50605651
Wrong

I complained about Eldritch Moon a lot.

Though truthfully, not as much as I did Battle for Zendikar or Oath of the Gatewatch

>>50608347
yeah, it should be obvious, but I keep forgetting that neither the Mayans or Aztecs were in what is now Brazil.
It's a thing I've learned many times, but my brain will not retain unless I conciously think about it. Like how to spell fortunately, or which state is New Hampshire, and which is Vermont.

>>50603205
I unironically love Kynaios and Tiro. I think they were done tastefully and even hinted at well back in Theros.
I don't mind Alesha because I do think a nomadic tribe staving off dragons wouldnt give 2 fucks what someone's gender was as long as they can fight well
Narset being autistic was the stupidest shit they've ever pulled out of their asses and they need to apologize for it

>>50602137
MEGA ULTRA CHICKEN

>>50599804
>obligatory quetzalcoatl-like card

my body is ready

>>50608104
>The Mayans were direct predecessors to the Aztec

Fucking nope. That's like saying the French were direct predecessors to the Germans because they both had empires and lived on the same continent. They were a completely separate culture in terms of religion, language, government, etc.

>>50609232
Wouldn't it be more like the Byzantines and European powers?

>>50609399
Kinda splitting hairs, but yeah. The public tends to think of pre-colombian America as being all of the same culture while easily being able to tell the difference between an Italian and a German. It's just plain ethnocentrism.

>>50602608
Individual packs (the shit that gets put on hooks at target and walmart, not the shit from boxes at your LGS) have been like that since Return to Ravnica block.

>>50605627
Even if the set wasn't incredibly weak, it would still be bad. It introduced next to nothing to the game, and had the worst set design ever.

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>>50607271

>>50605001
>The classic meme is mexicans digging tunnels so ridiculous
Thought that was arabs?

>>50602699
You wish

>>50609908
Porto here, can corroborate Spanish bastard's story. They're mostly white. But like, they're not "White." You know?

>>50609850
Mexicans are 25% arab, they were conquered by Spain after all.

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>>50599804
So is the format for naming and pacing of the sets going to be:

Set 1, named after the plane.
Flavor introduces to the plane and the underlying problem whatever it might be.

Set 2, vague name reprenting some sort of transformational conflict.
Flavor represents the conflict and it's conclusion.

And sprinkle in some progressivism somewhere of course.

>>50607917
Beast and Lizards always filled this role.
Don't add unnecessary subtypes for fuck sake.

>>50610507

Those names are obviously placeholders, they haven't filed trademark yet

and Set 2 is now 'when the Gatewatch all show up and solve everything'

Since human sacrifice is such a big thing in these cultures can we expect certain altar cards to be reprinted? Or "sacrifice a creature" being a common effect on cards. Maybe a return of Exploit and/or Unearth?

>>50610709
>there will be a time in the future when the Gatewatch will also include Ugin, Narset, Tamiyo, Karn and Jeska

>>50610507
>And sprinkle in some progressivism somewhere of course.
People say this, but of all the additions for special audiences (references to old cards, legends for old characters, popular culture references like the Plant with protection from Zombie), the leftist stuff is actually pretty tiny.

>>50610748
Unless they are retconned into dindus and only the invaders are portrayed as grim assholes.

>>50600119
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>leak
Why do you guys fall for this shit every time?

>>50610821
It's not a fake, WotC have admitted this.

It's not deliberate, because it would be counterproductive to waste hype now for a set in Autumn 2017 and Winter 2018 when there's already a set about to come out now and a whole block in the Summer.

>>50610748
Nah, the natives are all peaceful and nature loving tribes. All the human sacrifices are propaganda made by dirty white invaders.

>>50610862
>it's not deliberate
Just like the big leak last December when a bunch of rares that should have been spoiled earlier were "leaked" and then not officially revealed until the full card gallery?

>they wouldn't build up hype when they have a different set coming out
That is EXACTLY what they did when they announced Amonkhet, released an official trailer for it and set up a preview page before they had even released the first set of the block prior. The fact that it matches their usual timing proves it's deliberate.

Every Christmas we go through this.

>>50610880
This is true, my thats why they got rid of columbus day. I mean the man used to fuck the bodies of every native he met I can't understand why white people rule the world because theyre so fucked.

>>50610896
You forgot Kozilek.

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>>50610862
>not deliberate
pic related

>>50599804
>That 2nd Hour of Devastation
>Dishonorable Hierarch

>>50610997
>slipping out in boosters a single card to hype for the next set
>new packaging which is immediately acknowledged but denied to be the finished thing of a block a year ahead
/tg/ is bad at magic.

>>50599804
>TFW you want the not!Aztec humans to be rakdos colored with a sacrifice theme but you know Wizards is too chicken to ever allow that because "muh stereotype"

At least we might get a cool merfolk for once...

>>50599804
>Amonkhet
Shit. That's what I started calling my Sorcerer Lord in 40k years ago.

Then A Thousand Sons came out and people thought I meant Amon.

Now this will come out and people will think I named my dude after a shitty Magic plane.

>>50612005
Spare a thought for a certain Egyptian goddess then.

>>50611937
That's what everyone knows the aztecs for like what thwey know the greeks for the pntheon. It'll be in.
They played it safe with Kladesh because there are actually a fuckton of Hindus in existence tody but no one practices the aztec faith anymore. They can go nuts

>>50610880

Y'know, people keep saying shit like this but there's been a total of one antagonistic white guy on Kaladesh, who is the archenemy of the mostly-white Chandra. Beyond that the villains are Tezzeret, whose race is unclear, and the Consulate, particularly Kambal, who is Indian.

I feel like people are overreacting to an increased presence of non-white people among the heroes and ignoring that this in no way indicates a portrayal of white people as villains. Right now every single member of the gatewatch, the heroes of this arc of Magic's plot, is either white or white-ish and the majority of the villains have been aliens or dragons.

Untwist your panties, man.

>>50614360
The ironic thing is that these people are the same ones bitching about the Gatewatch, and they'd probably like non-white gatewatch better.
>Koth as red
>Tamiyo or Narset as blue
>Ajani or Elspeth as white
>Invent someone for Green
>Invent someone for black. Yahenni's going over well, shoehorn a spark into them or something. Wouldn't be the first time.

>>50615229

Yahenni drains Tezzeret, which give them Tezzeret's Spark. When Yahenni travels, they are refreshed by the Aether in the Blind Eternities, keeping them alive but also having an incentive to travel. Now Yahennei travels the Multiverse seeking out the best parties while helping their friends when they aren't at a rager. Or whatever.

>>50607015
"If you sacrifice this creature, small beneficial effect"
There, I made honorable/benevolent sacrifice.

>>50615382
Pretty good. We don't even need the refresh, since there'll always be evil things he can drain.

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>>50607015
Literally as easy as >>50615451 points out.

>>50602812
Not that Anon, but it's a good way to build walls.
Europe used to build their walls like that, too.

Even the Great Wall of China is mostly compacted dirt.

>>50611156
>Put a token onto the battlefield that's a copy of a creature token you control.

It's important to note that Riotborn Defenses has different reminder text from other Populate cards, too.
>To populate, put a token onto the battlefield that's a copy of a creature token you control.

>>50615512

Sure, why not. Plus we get a more likable character than Liliana. I mean, no more milky white necromancer breasts, but not a terrible trade.

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>>50615451
"When you sacrifice ~, moderate benefit."
"Sacrifice ~: minor benefit."
Like pic related.

>>50603325
But that contradicts the entirety of the cosmology we've been given up to this point. They'd have to figuratively shit on everything we know about the universe pre and post mending and--Oh my god they might just actually do something this retarded.

>>50615961
A flaw indeed, but at this point, does anyone want said boobs? I'd rather have Nissa's than Liliana's

>>50603685
Where did cutting come from? And why did you bring up water as something the Aztecs used for cutting? Are you really saying what they used it for is anything like how we use water jets?

Not even the anon you were talking to but this is a stupid thing to say

>>50603807
>Llamas are shit domestic animals

Alpaca master race. Cuddly and affectionate.

>>50604857
>the shitty One Piece art in a JoJo's meme

I didn't think it was possible to make me hate JoJo's memes any more than I do

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>Egyptian Plane with Gods
>Possibly Mesoamerican Plane
>Vraska