Your character learns that there's an elf druid who has

>>50579044
WHY ALL THE WAIFUS? WHY? PLS, PLEASE, I BEG OF YOU, NO MORE WAIFUS

>>50579044
Normally I'm a sucker for romantic subplot stuff in my vidya, but I have never backed the fuck out of the game trying to ship me with someone so damned fast.

>>50579082
>>50579105
I'd be less concerned with romance and more concerned with what the hell I was reincarnated from if a druid is stalking me

>>50579105
>romantic
>stalking
wat

what fucking game is that shity plot from?

>>50579133
She doesn't tell you that when you first get her in your party.

She tells you later, in what I can only assume the writers thought was a romantic reveal, that she's been spying on your character since he was 3 or some shit, and fell in love with him along the way.

>>50579149
Neverwinter Nights 2

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>>50579151
>Elanee romance
>No Neeshka romance

You had one job Bioware

>>50579211
There's even some leftover dialogue in the files from where they started on a neeshka romance but never bothered finishing and implementing it.

>>50579044
What were they thinking? Why not the cute and loyal tiefling that has suffered but not become an asshole?

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>>50579151
hang on, i thought it meant that the elf druid was in diapers when they were stalking my character
i suddenly don't feel safe

>>50579254
No, she's hundreds of years old.

NWN2 and its expansion had some terrible writing, it had some good bits as well but there was some real stinkers in that script. Also examples of how D&D alignments applied to anything just makes it worse.

>>50579044
I probably start stabbing on paranoid reflex.

Pedophilia's bad, m'kay?

>>50579350
Mask of the Betrayer was pretty good, aside from the ending where everything you spent the game working towards is brought to a close by Kelemvor turning up and saying "no, fuck off, you can't do that thing the plot was all about."

One of the few game storylines where going full evil leads to the more satisfying conclusion.

>>50579044
Ah NWN2
My main memories of that game revolve around the fact that the last expansion broke the campaign of the base game, due to it changing how the party selection screen worked. And thus you had to use console commands to continue the game and manually trigger various events.

Also,neeshka should have been the default romance option. Stalker elf is bland and boring. Also a creepy stalker.

>>50579399
The Wall of the Faithless is a retarded concept that just makes the setting shitty for no reason.

Do not stick your dick in crazy.

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And it's still not as bad as the werewolf stalking the unborn embryo of a sparklepire.

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Slaan was the best party member.

>>50579479
Had a girlfriend who actually compared me to the werewolf dude from that series, considered it a compliment somehow? To be fair she had a bunch of issues...

>>50579044
Turn around

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>>50579044
Neeshka was cuter.

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pic related NONE PURER

>no Khelgar romance
>no Grobnar romance
>muh Gary Stu Casavir

The game was utter garbage.

>>50583968
What about the edgelord ranger? Did he get a full romance or not, I forget.

>>50583968
Casavir is pure and lovely, shut your mouth or at least he would be if he actually had a personality. He could have been a great paladin husbando and it breaks my heart that the romance was so undevelopped .
Bishop a shit though.

>>50579211
>>50579226
>>50583695
>No Neeshka romance
Why? Bioware, why?
Although there was a mod for it, I think. Anyone knows if it was good?

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>arguing over which inferior waifu is slightly less inferior

>>50579211
>Bioware
>>50584859
>Bioware
For fuck's sake people, it was Obsidian.

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>>50585250
Was just about to post that.

And like all Obsidian games it was rushed with content slashed and burned to meet the deadline.

>>50584917
Kaelyn was the purest of waifus and all we got was a bald wizard....

>>50579479
Now I have to read it because it can't be that bullshit. look what you did.

>>50579044
I play a Mechanicus adept with an autocannon with 40BS, so either Called Shot to the head or a Full Turn Aim then Semi-Auto fire. Screaming bloody murder in binary in both cases.

Rolled 23 (1d100)

>>50585449
Fuck.

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>>50579044
>WHAT THE FUCK IS AN ELF?!

>>50579044
Does she put out?

>>50579479

I don't believe you

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>>50584917

>That heavenly voice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4plyqawhmQ

>>50583968
>That moment when Khelgar gets righteous anger
I pity the people who didn't do Khelgar's Monk quest. One of the best character developments in recent RPG memory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOdC-kbDB2w

>>50579044
She's gonna have to fight the Gaira Dragon for him.
I wish I was kidding.

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>>50579082
Ok, your character learns that there's a hetero elf warrior who has stalked you since he was in diapers. What's your character reaction?

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>>50587129
>ever since he was in diapers, he has crawled after you just as fast as he could

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>>50587129
I'll..um...uh..o..okay.

Panic for a bit.
And then formulate a plan to kill him if she starts trying to do anything besides stalking.

>>50579044
Surprised, intrigued and shocked - after all, he is a fucking ageless eldritch abomination from another dimension who using a human form here just by pure coincidence.
he also think of her as a friend, and nothing more

>>50579044
"Huh. Typical elf."

>>50583371
BRIGHT EYES

>>50579082

I agree with this anon, can we stop the waifu threads already?

It was fun the first few times, but it's getting stale fast.

>>50591701
But it's a waifu grabbing season! Grab one before there is no waifus!

>>50579314
Need diapers for those old people bowel movements though.

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>>50579044
ask her to change my diapers.

>>50585986
>>50584917
No time for Waifus, I'm too busy Becoming the Jarl of a clan of Frost Giants and then immediately kicking them all out of the clan

>>50585285
To be fair, it's not really Obsidian's fault publishers kept fucking them over, and if you actually count amount of time spent on production per actual content, they leave most of their competition far behind. Usually.

>>50585285
There's such a good game there too. I feel like one more round of editing on the plot would have really cemented the parody aspect of it hard, instead of being so lukewarm about it.

>>50587157
That's adorable. Would adopt the shit out of him.

>>50584445
No, he didn't. Mr. Boring was the only lad who got it.

>>50592308
>>50584445
There was that crazy girl who idolized the fuck out of him and tried to make a romance mod for the game, I think that imprinted in people so hard they remember him having one.

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>>50592318
Many, many people wanted a romance route with him, for reasons that should be immediately obvious?
> mfw still butthurt over unfinished Atton romance

>>50592308
>>50592318
Bishop did get a romance, it was just so damn incomplete that it barely functioned as one. So typical Obsidian having to cut things to meet deadlines.

>>50592337
What reasons would those be, exactly? Ranger dude was kind of an asshole.

Also,
>romancing a former torture/interrogation dude
Kinky.

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>>50592471
> What reasons would those be, exactly?
He's basically pic related for the female auditory.

>>50592514
Still need to watch D-a-L, so I can't really comment upon the similarities other than I'm pretty sure Bishie-op isn't some kind of clock-eyed heterochromic death waifu. Beyond that, it's all to play for.

Then again, I can hardly judge anyone. I started playing NWN2 again earlier in the week, and I'm playing a Setting Sun focused halfling Swordsage. Hurray for combined mod packs that aren't awful.

>>50592604
> Still need to watch D-a-L
You actually intend to watch it? Wow.
> I can't really comment upon the similarities other than I'm pretty sure Bishie-op isn't some kind of clock-eyed heterochromic death waifu
Are you autismal or just pretending?
Long story short, they're both edgy psychos that make the opposite sex's loins burn. I thought that was as obvious as it could be.

You find out in mask of the betrayer that the original campaign literally had a 'Rock falls, everyone dies" ending.

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>>50591799

But I already have one anon.

>>50592697
Well more of a "Rocks fall Qara and Bishop die" ending. Everybody else is capable of surviving iirc.

>>50585986
MotB had some great writing. I still remember that one dreamscape scene.
>Snow glitters under a brilliant sun... trackless and white... impossibly so. The trees seem to hold their breath, and you hear... nothing. It is as if you have intruded upon a forest in an impossibly distant past, before any living creature walked the world... when the gods themselves were strangers to snow and sky and land.

>>50593217
Don't forget the worst death of all, Grobnar Gnomehands.

No, I don't know if I spelled that right, I just remember because it is so, so dumb.

>>50579044
Goddamit, the original campaign had some terrible writing. Just look at the companions. They're all so fucking cliche.
> A dwarf companion, who loves drinking and fighting!
> A chaotic stupid thief, who loves stealing for no reason!
> A chaotic stupid sorcerer, who loves killing people and burning shit down!
> A crazy, autistic gnome!
Like, holy shit. And the entire fucking orc caverns quest that seemed to last forever - whomever came up with that should be hanged.

>>50593471
I still believe that the main campaign was designed to be a parody of your typical D&D group, which is why the characters were like that.

>>50593471

Its ok if you play certain parts it as a stealth parody. Not everything needs to be original.

>>50592670
Don't really intend to, nah, but I always feel slightly out of the loop when talk turns to mediocre anime these days. I've lost my touch.
And nah, not autismal or pretending, just not that familiar with the material beyond recognising the edgy girl. Apologies.

>>50593471
Khelgar wasn't too bad since he was a nice spin on the concept with the whole sidequest where you teach him what it means to be a Monk prior to getting the opportunity for him to change class. Neeshka I'm neutral on because her voice and character were grating at times but not always. And I feel like I'm the only person who liked Qara more than Sand.

Fuck Grobnar though.

Is NWN 2 plot and characters OK as babyfirst introduction campaign to roleplaying and tabletop-based RPG?

>>50593568
I suggest BG2

>>50593690
Is it fair to say I'm not fond of how BG2 opens myself?

Starting off captured and tortured with the game telling you what your canon party was, and half of them have been ganked offscreen in horrible ways anyway.

>>50593807
Just ignore the opening dungeon. It's a tutorial at best, the game really starts when you pick up Aerie and Lilarcor.

>>50593568
>>50593690
>>50593807
Really, that's the worst thing about the old D&D vidya in general, the devs' weird and constant fetish for killing off well-established characters for basically no reason except as a "shit is getting serious" marker. It's incredibly shoddy writing most of the time and it really damages the motivation to keep going when you know anyone might get fucking 30d6'd to satisfy the quota of meaningless character drops.

And that's before you even get into the fact that this is explicitly a setting with resurrective magic and temples or clerics in every other town.

>>50593568
You could do worse, it's generic as hell but still has a bit of campy charm to it.

>>50593840
Yoshimo was shit.

>>50593840
Yeah, the deaths in NWN2 really bugged me. Especially since I was playing a Cleric and actually had Resurrection and Raise Dead on my spell list during those scenes.

>>50593471
The Gnome was worth it because he gets you a giant blade golem as a party member, who doesn't love having a giant fantasy robot as your buddy?

>>50593568
If you want baby's first campaign, can't go wrong with Dragon Age Origins. It's cliche as fuck, but it has a feeling and charm to it.

>>50593875
> Giant robot with no personality
No thanks, I'll pass. There's a reason everybody loves HK-47 and nobody loves T3-M4.

>>50593471
The writers were given the task of making a generic campaign, which they hated, so they just had fun with it and made it as cliche as possible. MotB made up for it.

>>50585801
>>50585437
If the movie is even half as bad as the book, yeah, it's that awful

Don't judge me, I went to watch it with my gf at the moment because I wanted sex so badly
Also the whole fight is a dream

Daerred: Now, I know you didn't have any jobs for an adventurer last time in Neverwinter. But we searched the city for opportunities. After that we took to the road, and I found an old lady and rescued a cat. We each got an apple.
Khelgar: Aye... well, I guess you have to start somewhere.
Sand: I'm sure this old woman was as delighted by your actions as we are.
Shandra: Well, if it had been the Captain doing it, the cat would be lost, the tree burned down, and the old lady would be traveling with us now.

>>50579044
He begins to wonder if this mysterious elf could be one of his birth parents, and seeks them out to discover more

>>50593872
Was a sore point for me since one of the selling points of the game for me was being assured by a friend that there was none of that rocks fall forced character death for no reason bullshit, when in fact NWN2 is one of the worst RPGs I've ever played for doing that shit, with your first party member death coming less than fifteen minutes into the game, being a forced scripted event that has nothing to do with the story or ANYTHING but is still unavoidable. I was more than a bit peeved by that right off the bat, even before I learned how bad it gets later.

>>50593875
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I don't think I ever completed all the steps for it, I just remember finding the initial thing in the orc caves.

>>50593936
That's in the movie. In the book, the fight never happens.

>>50579044
Is he hot?

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>>50593954
tfw, dumb fighter guy always lives and spunky mage girl always dies.

>>50593954
The golem isn't really worth it anyway though the quest to get it is kind of entertaining.

My favorite side quest was getting the giant spider monster to become your pet. You stick it in your keep's basement and it winds up knitting presents for you.

>>50593954

They are raiding the place seeking for a plot relevant item

The best thing about nwn2 was that mod where you play as drow in the underdark. A hunt through the dark or something like that.

>>50593988
Yeah, but the death in question is totally irrelevant. It could literally never have happened and the actual story is completely unchanged, bar maybe needing to give Bevil a couple of extra lines later to cover why only one of them is at the Keep. Yet you're still forced into it no matter what, no matter how wide a berth you give the wizards' duel, even if you're walking around the backs of houses, you all still magically appear in the middle of the area just to force needless 'drama' in a scene that had already made the gravity of the situation fully clear.

I /hate/ wasteful writing and railroading, and that's an example of both.

>>50591701
I also object to the waifus.

It's getting silly; there needs to be some sort of waifu general we can herd them, into.

Perhaps a containment board.

We did it to the Questfags.

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Elves live pretty long don't they?

Like way longer than humans do.

So if she was in diapers when she first met me, I gotta ask:

Is she incontinent?

Or is wearing adult diapers part of her culture?

>>50593936
>Don't judge me
Not gonna. My ex made me watch the first Twilight. I fell asleep a third or so in.

>>50593878
DA Origins is pretty good, shame about the rest of the series.

>>50594039
Oh, and don't forget that after all that trouble, the fucking shard wasn't even in the village. So it's like, double-pointless.

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>>50594076
What went wrong?

>>50594078

But it was. inside of you and I remember a second one in a swamp near you.

>>50579082
>>50591701
>>50594041
This isn't a waifu thread you idiots

This is a "You are being stalked by a creepy druid who has watched you since you were a baby and the writers thought this would be considered romantic" thread

>>50594103
This. Elanee is like the anti-waifu.

>>50594103

What's funny is that she uses that info in order to seduce you:

"I have watched you since you were 3. I love you! Lets fuck!"

>>50594103
A lot of people think even creepier things are romantic. Where do you think the yandere thing comes from.

Did anyone else notice that NWN2s plot only makes sense for a Human main character? Your character is explicitly less than 20 years old but can somehow be a fully adult Elf or Dwarf.

>>50594096
The former of those isn't explained until much later in the story, and even then, it's another example of bad writing because you're like fifteen feet away from the Gith dude at the start when he decides 'NAH, IT AINT HERE, CANT BE'. These guys are supposed to be transplanar hunters specialised in this kind of job, and they can't even ping a Detect Magic on that?
The whole campaign isn't terrible overall but absolutely nothing about the intro makes that much sense when you start picking it apart.

As for the latter, that's what I meant. Technically not there.

>>50594151
Doesn't that also apply to BG?

>>50594151
Elves mature as fast as humans, they just aren't considered adult by the elven society until much later. The same applies to dwarves, I think.

BG1 had the same problem, you start as a foster child of a human wizard.

>>50594151
You're not "explicitly" any age other than the one you set at creation, anon.

But yeah, the devs weren't as clever in keeping the dates for the backstory vague as they thought they were. On top of that, NWN2 happens less than 20 years after the Time of Troubles and the multiple instances of god-shankings, yet characters in-game talk about it like it's some long-ago historical event people barely believe even happened.

>>50594176
> Implying that if you're writing in Faerun, ignoring the Time of Troubles or Spellplague isn't the possible course of action.

>>50594142
Yandere 'waifus' are usually attractive though, when they aren't all crazy-face & stabbing you to death at least

>>50594190
Exactly my point, fucking morons think a pretty face + insanity = romance.

>>50594090

One thing that I don't like about these games is how there isn't a negative reaction or prejudice for picking one of the races with evil reputation or are evil-looking.

Like during the trial:

"I'gnore the horns, red eyes, and smell of brimstone. I'm innocent."

"Maybe I'm a Drow, but I'm not a murdered!"

But it is so common among games that you kind of accept it as a limitation of the devs.

>>50594595
It would take too much effort to iron out, and we'd like either the lack of those races or the lack of other content because of lost dev time even less.

>>50594595
It was weird since Neeshka gets shit on by almost every npc for being a Tiefling, but if your PC is one nobody bats an eye.

>>50579442
I keep waiting for the reveal that it's a plot by Myrkul to resurrect himself as a power greater than all the other Gods.

>>50594529
>zionist
>one woman responsible for everything I don't like about vidya
This picture is more retarded than a Trump voter. You should delete it and yourself.

>>50594642
They talked behind your back about you anon.

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>>50594674
Not even sure if parody, false flag or that dumb.

>>50594684
Just one more reason why I sided with the BBEG at the end.

>>50594687
Pretty sure the picture is that dumb.

>>50594142
>Where do you think the yandere thing comes from.
Mental sickness?

>>50594196
Alternatively, it's a male version of "I can totally fix him!"

>>50587129
That'd be better, but honestly, I don't fucking trust the GM. He's torpedoed every husbando my character has come across while throwing more and more waifus at her. After a while you just begin to suspect, you know?

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>>50594787
Its usually more "I bet the sex is amazing!" when it comes to guys.

>>50592258
A sign of a good dev is working within their constraints rather than being rushed with stuff they couldnt finish.

>>50594821
But their games are still remarkably good despite the issues.

>>50585801
>>50585437
Don't.

Good god, DON'T.

I read the whole series and breaking dawn is EXACTLY THAT.

Just run and never look back.

>>50579044
I didn't mind the stalking too much since it was kinda her job as a druid. Mysterious character that possibly joins your party later on stalking you is pretty much standard fantasy 101.

I did mind, though, when she says she fell in love with you halfway through. I mean, are you fucking kidding me? What was I, 12? Fucking pedo.

>>50595228
>Not being down for some wildshaped /ss/
pleb

>>50594595

There's dialogue here and there. If you're a Tiefling, the succubus tellls uou that your bloodline is very powerful. Then again, she may have been teasing Neeshka

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>>50594674

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>>50579044
Fuckin knife-eared cunts, Amirite guys?

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>>50593987
I love GIF(T)S in games, they are adorable.

>>50585437
Seriously, don't. Everything in that picture is unironically 100% stuff that actually happens. For once I'm unironically asking you to just trust /tg/ on this one.

>>50587129
You (male) are the reincarnation of his wife (female).

>>50593520
Only thing that bugged me about Khelgar was that teaching him to stop being such a sterotypical dwarf was a big part of his becoming a Monk quest, but you couldn't actually help him until the plot suddenly decided "Oh yeah, he's fine now," and any attempts to do so just pissed him off and made you lose Influence.

Actually, Influence in general in the original campaign kinda sucked.

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>>50596007
>>50594674
>>50594687
>>50594717

>>50579044
"Yeah, sure, I'm just gonna pin that under my to do list:
1-find a way to stop a reincarnated demon from ending the universe.
2-find answers about my father's sudden treason to the kingdom.
3-find a way to strike a deal with Orcus/Mephistopheles/Asmodeus if it's the only way I can do item 1.
4-maybe stop friend from dying and going to hell as a result of item 1.
5-resolve sexual tension between me, the Gnoll Paladin who's like a cousin to me, the Lizardfolk Ninja who has had the hots for me since I saved her life, and the Minotaur Barbarian who I bested in one on one combat but spared because it was only a trial to gain safe passage through a cavern(that was filled with more minotaur barbarians).
6-if 5 cannot be resolved, get a wizard to cast a permanent polymorph on me to turn me into a 5'2 dwarf named Smith Brinehammer, then open up a bar in a city where I'll spend the rest of my days giving adventurers plot hooks and overpriced meals. I'll then kill the wizard to erase the last trace of my previous self and remove the only witness.

>>50596870

All hail Jeff Vogel!

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>>50593471
>Goddamit, the original campaign had some terrible writing. Just look at the companions. They're all so fucking cliche.
>Cliches are bad
>Everything DONUT STEEL is good
No, no anon. If you want something awful, read no further than >>50597104
I would gladly take a cliched party, doing cliched quests, saving the cliched world in a cliched way than this shit.

Whoever gave birth to you and brought you up in a way that made you believe it is acceptable that everything fresh and new is good while everything generic, clicged and stereotyped is wrongbadfun should be in fact beaten to death.
You are the cancer that is killing fantasy.

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So many years ago today...

>>50579211
Neeshka is terrible.

Every girl in this game is terrible.

Khelgar is the best bro and all you need.

>>50597336
I like sand.

>>50597283
We WERE the cliche party, anon. Wood Elf Ranger, Dwarf Cleric, Human Fighter, Human Druid who smokes pot but is the wisest.

The DM simply kept track of everything we did in a notebook, including character's backstories, and will bring whatever she finds interesting back into the story.

So I said "My dad is a famous knight under service of a king", and she went "Your father's defected for unknown reasons and now everyone thinks that you'll continue the long family tradition of patricide."

I mean, on one side, I like having a GM who doesn't dismiss character backstory as just "bring like half a paragraph telling us who this guy is". On the other hand, it feels like we have long since stepped into DeviantArt's webcomic community, and are just playing because it's the only story that we've played this long(2 years, with a couple hiatuses here and there) and want to see it through to it's end.

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>>50597101
>last one even has the ugly lesbian bitch elf as her avatar

Too perfect.

>>50579044
Uses shotgun and SMG on the druid.

>>50584917
would pick Kaelyn over safiya any time ugh bald wizard

>>50597431
Sand was annoyingly snob yet he is still better then that edgy CN fire bitch sorceress

>>50594090
>qunari
>obsessed with being who you are born as
>that sexism from sten in origins
>suddenly iron tumblrbait talking about qun having a word for it
>all casual and accepting

I'm a little upset.

>>50600626
>Sand was annoyingly snob
That's why I liked him.

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Fucking Obsidian killing the best of waifus.
Shandra Jerro getting killed was total bullshit and she was also an ok fighter which was a shame.

>>50601147
Meh. She was just your average farmer turned fighter. I found her funnier when she was just a running gag where her farm got rekt every time you visited.

>>50592204
That was an hilarious feat.

>>50601417

It actually gave you a +1 Cha too.

>>50579044
kill him/her

>>50579044
I NEED AN ADULT

>>50579044
My character was an elf as well. Made things significantly less creepy. Not uncreepy, just less creepy.

>>50584917
Purest waifu

Doesn't even know any swear words

>>50593471
It was intentionally a mess of cliches. I'm not gonna say it was a parody, because it wasn't complete parody, but it was basically designed to emulate a typical D&D group.

>>50583695
And Sand was funnier.

Neeshka, Sand and Khelgar was best party.

>>50594142
Actually yandere-waifus evolved from visual novels that had "getting killed by your waifu" as a bad ending in order to add more suspense to "gameplay" that itself isn't usually very interesting.

>>50603411
Are you genuinely autistic?

>>50579211
Neeshka is Best Girl was my first "Waifu", long before I knew what a Waifu was.

>>50597431

I hate sand.

It's rough, and it's course, and it gets everywhere.

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>>50600626
The cut dialogue makes Qara... I wouldn't say that she herself is made better, but it does make her a bit more justified. She is shown to legit be as powerful as she claims to be, and does actually have it under control, which makes it more understandable that she gets so annoyed at all the "you're irresponsible and don't know what you're doing"-remarks thrown at her. After all, she DOES know what she's doing, even if she's edgy and reckless at heart.

Also, Sand is shown acting more sleazy and manipulative towards her when you're not watching them, which makes the conflict between the two more balanced. He IS a former Host Tower mage, after all. Certainly more gray than the "snarky guy who keeps helping me versus psychotic bitch" choice you're given in the final game.

>>50605889
Being in control doesn't mean you're responsible.

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>>50602719
I am an Adult, a 100 + year old one.

>>50610138
Why are picture-destroying watermarks more likely the worse the art is? Is it because there's less to lose?

>>50603153
It's still pretty close to parody.

I mean, the sheer amount of times you can call shit out over being a cliche is amazing. Starts practically from the beginning too.

I honestly think if they'd have had more time to finish the writing out it would have been full on parody.

>>50610230
> The game starts when strange people attack your hometown

>>50593878
>>50594076


WHY COULDN'T"T THEY HAVE JUST MADE ORIGINS 2 & 3. JESUS, IT WAS HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE THE NEXT TWO STILLBORNS OF AN INSTALLMENT

>>50610245
>You are the chosen one because of an attack on same said hometown by demons when you where an infant.

>same hometown gets destroyed by big bad's undead plague later in the game.

>>50579624
>no Slaan romance option
Why? Bioware, why?

>>50593943
that was fucking perfect, i remember laughing hard at that

>>50609485
Well sure. The point is, the cut content puts her in a very different light. She goes from "irritable bitch who can't take advice" to "humanoid supernova who is constantly talked down to by people with less power with her". In that context her constant lashing out is more understandable (if not necessarily justified), because who wouldn't get fed up with that?

Plus, lots of people dislike her because she hates Sand, who everyone loves. Thing is, the cut content also contains dialogues and cutscenes that indicate that he's less trustworthy and more power hungry than he appears in the released game.

>>50610138
Everyone on the left is cool. I guess Grobnar is dumb and amusing too.

Elahnee, Casavir, and Bishop are awful though.

>>50579044
>"I must have a truly incredible destiny in store for me if one of the wise Fair Folk has set me aside as important!"

>>50610230
The problem is that parodies are supposed to be funny. This wasn't funny. This was shit.

>>50593520
I'll back you up on it. I loved the absurd pyromaniac.

>>50579044
Kill her, purge the filthy subhuman

>>50597104
>Gnoll paladin
>Lizard ninja
>Minotaur
Let me guess
You play pathfinder.

The best way to play NWN2 I've found is to get a mod that let's you bring every party member at once. Literally every minor event spirals into these long ass arguments between your party. It's hilarious.

>>50585437
>>50585801
Believe it or not, guys, that image leaves out a lot. That's right, the book is even WORSE.

>>50613665
I'll have to try that. Maybe it'll make combat bearable.

>>50579044
This elf could very well be his mother.

>finding Bishop mortared into the Wall at the end of MotB
You were a shit but I dunno if you deserved that.

>>50613826
In their defense, shit has been used as mortar, historically, for centuries.

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WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE !?
How can you hate someone so adorable that her name sounds like a sneeze?

>>50594090
>>50600663
>Zevran: Hm. Yes. Well, I've heard that the Qunari actually put the elves in charge? Over the humans? Is that true?
>Sten: Some of them.
>Zevran: Only some? Which ones are they?
>Sten: The ones who belong in charge. That is the way of the Qun.
>Zevran: How does this Qun determine who belongs in charge?
>Sten: The tamassrans evaluate everyone and place them where their talents merit.

>Shale: Would its "qun" accept a convert that was a golem?
>Sten: I do not know. It has never happened. We accept beings of all walks of life, so long as they are willing to accept their place in the world.

>Sten: You have been offended by such men, so your bloodlust can be forgiven. But these ones you speak of are to be pitied. Even so, they must serve, just as any other must serve. All must find their place within the Qun.

>Sten: All who accept the Qun have their place, as any other. In the lands we occupy, even the Elves have come to embrace this concept.
>Shale: And if this place is at the bottom?
>Sten: If that is where one belongs, then that is where one should be.

>Sten: It is not done. There is no more to it.
>Leliana: Do you mean your people have no female mages or warriors?
>Sten: Of course not. Why would our women wish to be men?
>Leliana: What are you talking about? They don't wish to be men.
>Sten: They shouldn't. That can only lead to frustration.

>Sten: Warden, did I ever tell you about the Qun?
>It teaches that all must accept their place in life and strive to be the best at what they were given. Unless you're a tranny, then go right ahead and do what you want.
>They are good friends.

>>50613665
I wish there were more games actually let you use YOUR WHOLE party (by default) instead of only letting you bring a couple at any one time for no real reason.

Its a little more understandable if 'your party' is a massive (player controlled) organisation thats more like an actual army unit with a proper HQ you report back to between missions/quests.

>>50614505
>for no real reason
Anon, I...

>>50614505
>for no real reason.
Really, m8?

>>50613665
>Mod
Nigger you can do that with console commands

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>>50579044
My thri-kreen fighter/bard would be all "Bro, my friend, why you are stalking? Is not cool, my friend. You are wanting to hang out, is cool, but must be consensual out-hanging."

>>50613936
Her voice makes me want to strangle her, then myself.

She's dead weight in fights and none of the now compulsory rogue bullshit can be entrusted to the AI.

She thinks like a retarded 12 year old and reacts like a 12 year old if you don't agree, butts into every conversation, tries to steer events in the most unhelpful direction possible and has to be constantly persuaded to stop being a millstone around everyone's necks. She's a compulsory criminal who thinks nothing of burglary, theft or murder, or making her own deals on the side - never really elaborated on - and dragging you into her personal shit while you're in a touchy position in Neverwinter. She insists you put your own, very serious problems aside in order to risk your life and freedom in a heist that does nothing beyond protecting her 'street cred'.

In short, she's a useless, disruptive manchild and a walking amalgamation of the worst stereotypes of her class, and the moment I was railroaded into taking her along I knew the game was going to be garbage.

>>50612414
I liked Qara. Sand too. The only thing that pissed me off was the mandatory lose-one at the end.

>>50579044
Wonder why an adult would wear diapers.

>>50616775
I liked that the BBEG commented on the PC removing all equiptment from characters you knew would betray you.

>>50616603
>She thinks like a retarded 12 year old and reacts like a 12 year old if you don't agree,

That's basically everyone in the game because of the way the Influence system works.

Except Amon Jerro.

>>50617078
Not even close to the degree she does. She out and out acts like a little kid who is bored with your game and wants instead to be the bests th4f eva and hog spotlight in every single conversation.

>>50584917
Truly best waifu
>still hoping for a Kaelyn romance mod

>>50619287
The voice over age killed things like that

>>50616823

Wait, he did that?

FUCK, I never even tried that.

>tfw no Zhjaeve romance

>>50613665
Best way to play it, yeah.

It really simulates an actual D&D group. You can almost hear the DM sit back and sigh as he realises that another session is going to be spent entirely on party banter.

>>50621345
Just go visit your grandma, anon, she'll be happy for the company.

>>50620890
He did that, and then gave them some much more powerful equipment.

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>>50620890
pic related

tfw when neverwinter nights 2 skips on a fresh new install

what am I doing wrong ;_;

>>50617078
Ammon Jerro is the coolest character in the game. His appearance in MotB is great too.

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Was anybody else happy that this guy got a cameo in NWN2? He was my bro in the first games expansions.

>>50624021
I actually played NWN2 first, I liked Deekin then as a minor character.
I was happy to see him when I finally played the first game, and the expansions. Deekin is a bro.

NWN2's OC is just there as filler desu

If you want a real NWN2 game you need to play MotB or one of the good mods

>>50616603
>dead weight in fights
Literally just sneak her to the other side of the enemy before combat and she'll be flanking automatically and deal huge damage if dual-wielding. If that isn't an option just have her or a flanking buddy move to the other side manually. Sure it's an extra few clicks but less combat babysitting than casters need. I know /v/ couldn't be expected to know how to apply Sneak Attack in these kinds of games but /tg/ should know this shit.

>>50579044
Romance the superior tiefling.

>>50584859
>Although there was a mod for it, I think. Anyone knows if it was good?
It was shit.

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>>50579044

Ask the mysterious druid why she wears the diaper.

And if I take it off, we she die?

>>50603180
>Sand
>not Qara

>>50591671
Every now and then I fall apart

>Cleaning out warehouse in the docks of thieves for the guard.
>Neeshka asks me if she can go check if she can find some cool shit to steal before the guards come and close everything.
>Aight.
>Comes back, tells me she found a little gift for me.
>Shining Light of Lathander, +2 sacred greatsword that casts searing light.

How can a girl be so best.

>>50626748
What is with settings where what would otherwise be legendary magical items are just lying around everywhere like trash?

>>50626996
Garbage game, garbage writing, garbage video game.

>>50626427
That's all fine and dandy in p&p. In a video game, where combat happens 10 times more often and I have to do absolutely everything myself using mouse and keyboard, AND I already have multiple casters to babysit, no, fuck rogues, fuck the slight increase to party DPS they contribute when we're not fighting undead, and fuck the paint chugger who thought high-difficulty traps and lock should be the right behind filler mobs and vendor trash containers in frequency.

>>50627451
Anon, I think you might just be bad at video games.

>>50624010

Patrician taste
Ammon Jerro, Khelgar, Sand

Waifu taste
Neeshka, Shandra

Shit taste
Qara, Elanee, Bishop, PaladinfagwhosenameIcannotbearsedintolookingup, Annoying gnome guy

Slaan tier
Slaan

>>50628604
This is a pretty good list.

>>50594881
Ham-handed ZOMG DARK SUBVERSHUN SO DEEEEEEP aside.
Seriously, Obsidian doesn't really have writing half as good as people claim.

>>50629312
It's all about comparison. It's not that their games are high literature, it's that they're way fucking beyond anything most other studios manage, and above anything any studio has managed in the same genre.

>>50629504
I wouldn't say so. Morrowind had good story, by comparison KotOR 2 was just some asshole who hates star wars yelling at you through his mary sue mouthpiece.

>>50629665
KotOR2 is pretty much the only good story that came out of Star Wars.

>>50629695
>t. Chris Avellone
Name me one game by that fucker that isn't just a glorified rant with some buggy game tacked on.

>>50629748
I don't know about people by names.

>>50592258
If that was true, Pillars of Eternity would be good.

>>50610138
Where's "know this" and devil grandpa?

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>>50629695
>KotOR2 is pretty much the only good story that came out of Star Wars.

>>50594076
>DA Origins is pretty good
Weird how people feel that way now. At the time, popular opinion was that it was a clear sign of Bioware going to shit.

>>50592258
>It wasn't us, it was the executives!
Oh fuck off. Getting tired of this meme.

>>50629846
No, that's DA2. DAO was always popular.

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>>50629665
>>50629695
>>50629748
>Kotor 2

Its that time again.

>>50629854
>keep jerking the studio around by setting the release date one year forward then one year back
>they should know how to hit a simple deadline lol :^)
You're an idiot.

>>50628604
>everyone forgets the gith cleric

Hilarious really.

>>50629883
The gith were a mistake from day one

>>50629883

I actually had to google her after you mentioned her because I did not remember her at all.

Jesus, what a fucking non-character.

>>50629854
>Argument that wrecks your claim
>ITS JUST A MEME GUYS

Fuck off back to /v/.

>>50629877
>keep jerking the studio around by setting the release date one year forward then one year back
Funny how publisher interference happening to Obsidian. Almost as if it isn't happening to them, and "the release date" and "the executives" are easy scapegoats. Is there any proof of the release date fucking them over?

>>50629899
I always took Zhaeve if I didn't play a cleric. She was a decent companion but not a memed character or a waifu so she's overlooked.

>>50629936

>She was useful because she was a Cleric but didn't have a personality and was ugly so she's overlooked

Like I said, a non-character

>>50629925
>gets proven wrong twice
>suddenly release dates are a social construct
LMAO

>>50614505
Yeah, really. Shadowrun games especially would be so much better if you could have the whole crew.

>>50614522
>>50614662

You have ten seconds to give the "real reason" everyone was sitting around doing nothing at your keep in NWN2 instead of helping you save the fucking world

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>>50629925
But its not only Obisidian you mongoloid.
Publishers using independent studios like shit is not something new. You must be a trolling because I refuse that someone would be this fucking dense.

>>50629991
It would make for shitty gameplay otherwise. What's your IQ, 70?

>>50614522
>>50614662
Game mechanics and balance are no excuse for retarded in character decisions.

>>50629861
No it wasn't. People played it, but it got a whole lot of unfavorable comparisons to Mass Effect. DA2 was worse off because it got unfavorable comparisons to DAO, but DAO wasn't favorably compared to anything before DA2 came out.

>>50630004
I believe it. Children are more entitled and their heads are farther up their ass every year.

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>>50629991
You are the same guys as >>50629925 and >>50629854 arent you?

Do you legit have some sort of brain damage?

>>50630018
That's a nice opinion, anon, however most people including the devs disagree with you. When you make your own game you can do differently though.

>>50630047
>I'd like to see you do it better argument

What a fucking idiot you are, holy shit why am I even responding.

And players did do it better, see Path of Evil where companions leave you for good if dismissed because they aren't mindless puppets who can't function without the almighty PC. The people you have with you on your adventures are your whole party.

Fuck you.

>>50630090
You can't even tell an argument from a suggestion? Anon please, calm down, we're all friends here. :^)

>>50630117
I'm not your friend you passive aggressive buddy.

>>50630130
Just saying that you're getting mad over something pretty pointless. You have an opinion that's different to most people, it is what it is.

Is there any hope left for current Obsidian? They're a company whose strength was writing that was abandoned by all the good writers. I don't see them ever putting out another MotB with how PoE and Tyranny were mediocre at best.

>>50630017
Fire Emblem has better gameplay than Neverwinter Nights and you use similar numbers of characters per fight to your NWN follower cadre.

>>50630180
I'm not giving up on them. I'm not playing those two games either though.

>>50630208
Not the same engine, so what's appropriate game play is different.

I suppose your IQ really is about where I guessed.

>>50630208
Fire Emblem is a shitty weeb game.

>>50628604
I couldn't tolerate having the Gnome in my party. Does he do anything interesting at all if you use him?

>>50630023
Back then BG2 grogs still held strong majority on /v/, and the only way a crpg could be acceptable was if it aped BG2. DAO was more of a NWN3 with most of d&d cancer surgically removed, so it was automatically bad.

Thought to be honest, an npc in your camp trying to sell your downloadable content almost justified all the hate the game got early on.

>>50630236
I suspect you don't know what an engine actually is (many people don't), since that's not really relevant, but yes, obviously if the core mechanics worked the same, the gameplay wouldn't work with only party numbers changed. That's exactly the reason why I brought up a counterexample where things work differently. The whole issue is a mismatch between crunch and fluff. Fluff could change, and only give you a few companions, or crunch could change, and not only let you use all of your units but design the game in such a way that makes sense. The former case means you have less interesting characters to work with, and the latter means you need to actually figure out what the game is going to be like at the beginning of development, and then not waver (much) in this vision.

>I missed the point so you're dumb
Cool story senpai :^)

>>50630308
The only thing that wasn't that great about DAO is that it lacked the great width of build choice that the d&d ports provided.

>>50630354
And the terrible story, and dialogue, and setting, and animations, and characters, and etc etc...

>>50630348
>Fluff could change, and only give you a few companions, or crunch could change, and not only let you use all of your units but design the game in such a way that makes sense.
Or you could have a game that's both fun and has good character variety at the expense of a handful of autists whining that it doesn't make sense. Tough choice.

>>50630267
He casts Charm Person on trash mobs, so you have to wait for it to expire until you can finish fights. He's also so zanny and hilarious you'll get an ulcer, it will burst, you'll wake up in hospital and the only game you'll be able to play until they let you go will be NWN2 OC.

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>>50630308
Mass Effect didn't ape BG2.

>>50630369
>implying forgotten realms is any better
Face it, they're both shitheaps of generic mediocrity.

>>50630388
...did I say otherwise? FR is garbage, albeit for different reasons (Gods walking around makes any setting lame)

>>50630375
Congratulations on stating the third, default option that was already a given. Were you intending to make some point by doing so?

Also,
>that's fun
Now that we've explicitly stated all the possibilities that were implicit from the beginning, perhaps you'll be mentally equipped to go back to the point originally made in >>50630208

>>50630431
>Congratulations on stating the third, default option that was already a given. Were you intending to make some point by doing so?
Yes. Being buttmad over what's ultimately the correct dev decision is moronic, anon, especially if you acknowledge that it's the best decision.

>back to the point
You ca go back to >>50630236 to continue the thread.

>>50630375
>Or you could have a game that's both fun and has good character variety
You speak of this as if it was some tangible object the developers won't grasp. Things like your suggestion are difficult to implement. Stop commentating on game design as if you knew anything because you clearly do not.

>>50630468
>what's ultimately the correct dev decision
Correct is a subjective thing, as is made clear by the fact that games making other choices see financial success too. More of it, in some cases.

>especially if you acknowledge that it's the best decision.
I don't, actually. I think a story on the scale that they were working with would be best addressed using a large cast of combat-capable individuals, which means a gameplay system using a large cast of individuals, and that there was therefore a mismatch. I furthermore agree with the people in this thread who feel that combat banter is way better with a larger party even under the paradigm that they ultimately went with.

>You ca go back to >>50630236
Well, since that didn't address the point but merely necessitated further explanation, I had hoped that providing an explanation would have made that post unnecessary.

>>50630520
>Things like your suggestion are difficult to implement.
Obviously not, since they did it fine in countless games. What's difficult is to soothe anon's buttpain over what doesn't make sense.

>>50630536
>I think a story on the scale that they were working with would be best addressed using a large cast of combat-capable individuals
Your premise hangs on the idea that the story is the foundation of the game, but that's pretty questionable. The game play itself is very important too, and obviously a lot of decisions were made to accommodate it.

>>50630369
I'll give you the setting, but the writing was no worse than Bioware's usual tripe, and the game itself was several astronomical units above 'the classics' in execution.

Classes with clear cut roles. A combat system that rewards thinking, and where all classes contribute in an equally meaningful way. A comfortable interface. An AI which you can program to the point where it can play a mage effectively. Filler combat diluted with interesting setpiece battles. Boss fights with a whiff of XXI century design, rather than just huge monster with stacked protective spells. Party members that are somewhat interesting and likeable even when you're older than 12 and sober. No morality system. No voice acting done by developers' children and bums they found behind McDonalds. It was an all-round proper effort, even if it was done by gnomes under EA's lash.

>>50630570
>Your premise hangs on the idea that the story is the foundation of the game
In this case, yeah. Obviously that's not true for all games, but I think that for Neverwinter Nights it's a reasonable viewpoint. There's also the notion that with NWN2 they wanted to create new software for the NWN modding community, which implies that the mechanics shouldn't change too drastically, but they ended up failing that goal anyway.

However, it's not so much an issue of one being more important as an issue of mismatch. Whichever you start with, the two should go together. This particular franchise, to me, has always been about the story and writing (and if you look at what people talk about in the thread, the majority is on these subjects) so I think it's reasonable to make that the starting point for NWN games.

>>50630649
>I think that for Neverwinter Nights it's a reasonable viewpoint.
I don't.

>>50630663
Do you have any reason or argument for that, or do you disagree purely for the sake of contrariness?

>>50630387
No, but it was a very different game. People who were waiting for DAO largely expected BG3 instead of an action RPG with tactical combat where blocking doorways with a fighter is not enough to win fights.

>>50630682
Anon, we're dealing with opinions here. I don't need to give you an argument to counter your opinion with mine. But okay, I guess I can come up with a few things.

Of course people are going to talk about the story down the line, espceially in a thread where the OP specifically references it. That's what people remember, it's that way for almost any game. The gaming itself isn't something you talk about years later.

To me the character builds and races were a lot more important. That and the mods. Indeed, the original campaing was by far the most irrelevant thing about the entire game.

>>50579044

My Thri-Kreen Psychic Warrior/Fighter would probably not take kindly to this. Being in his company would be especially dangerous for someone so young because of all the high level enemies he and his party have to face on a daily basis. Not only that, but elves are especially delicious to thri-kreen.

>>50630687
That kind of thing is the meaningless complaints that every game gets, and they're made largely by people who like the game overall. The actual dislike of DAO was based on writing, and was in contrast to Mass Effect.

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>>50616288
>thri-kreen

My nigga

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>>50579044
well that'd explain why I kept finding diapers hidden all over the place
>mystery solved

Oh, you want something else?

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>/v/ on /tg/

So are you excited for the new Mass Effect game?

>>50630873

I at least appreciate that his cartoon avatar is actually representative of himself irl

>>50630893
That's a photo.

>>50626619
Qara was a bitch though

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>>50630790
Thri-Kreen are the best

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>>50630873

No. The whole new setting sounds very dumb. It should be taking place like 300 years after reaching Andromeda, not during the 1st generation of colonists when everybody is like 20 years old. They even have gangs and criminal network established early on.

>>50630997

But she was my bitch.

>>50630747
Then I don't understand what the whole row was about because DAO writing was more consistent in quality than anything other than PST. Sure, some plotlines were bad and I kept hearing the Ironforge theme while in Orzamar, but DAO didn't have a thieves' guild, or a vampire guild, or a guy who screams COOOOOOO at you every three sentences, or a woman who melodramatically shrieks about her dead husband then immediately starts grabbing for your cock, or Aerie, or an Adventurer's Mart that is actually called that, or Pirate Town, or fish people, or Ed Greenwood, or, to be frank, a villain called Yoneleth who leaves his journal in a barrel and who is essentially throwing a gigantic temper-tantrum because he and his sister were forced to submit to the most badly though out punishment in the history of law by an elven queen and elven gods who never, at any point before, during or after the fact paused and said "Wait, this is fucking stupid and will go wrong in so many ways." And then you go to Hell to have more awful d&d fights. BG2 was a huge game, a game-changing game so to speak, but whenever a grognard starts bleating about it someone should hit him on the mouth.

>>50631093
>a guy who screams COOOOOOO at you every three sentences
You learn to appreciate some things over the years

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>>50630208
>Fire Emblem
>not Suidoken
wow anon stop having shit taste anytime.

>>50631093
Mostly just that it was bland, I think. I liked it fine, personally.

>coming back to BG2 again
Nigga you obsessed.

>>50631123
I don't think it's widely known enough to use as an example.

>>50631093
>a villain who is essentially throwing a gigantic temper-tantrum because he and his country were forced to submit to the most badly thought out punishment in the history of law by the french and allies who never, at any point before, during or after the fact paused and said "Wait, this is fucking stupid and will go wrong in so many ways."
Hey look it's the plot of WWII.

>>50631128
I though we were comparing DAO to BG2? It was the most consistently heard complaint about the game, from what I remember. It not living up to the imaginary standards of its predecessor.

>>50631157
Did the peace last 20 years?

>>50631253

I think it is 7 before the Templars vs Mages thing.

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Comrade, how come you never talk about our game?

We can all agree that Slaan was the best npc ever.

>>50631285
Divinity is one of the better RPGs to come out in the last decade and is worth playing if you enjoy isometric fantasy games.

Happy?

>>50579120
>I'd be less concerned with romance and more concerned with what the hell I was reincarnated from if a druid is stalking me
I thought the player wasn't reincarnated from anything special, they caught a fragment of some magic sword that exploded while they were a baby and didn't die. Then were lucky enough that the fragment was low enough priority to not be killed by the Gith recovery team slaughtering everyone who picked up or had a piece embedded in them until they turned 16 or 18ish.