EDH/Commander General

What's the better Breya route, mass tokens or recursion?
How do I keep people from instantly killing Master Transmuter?

>>50570417
The correct route is "Throw her in the fucking trash and play Sharuum"

>Copied from the last thread because it was pining for the fjords

So....I just picked up Atraxa...I got rid of pretty much all my MtG stuffs when I had to move and finish up a semester of college, I still have my old EDH decks but I don't wanna cannibalize them, so assume I'm starting from ground level with the starter and nothing else. How do you recommend building Atraxa and how can I make the proliferate gimmick work well with her?

I assume poison would be a good way, as would sage of hours and sage of fables, Darksteel Reactor is a favorite of mine and I used to run it as a wincon in G/U Ezuri.

For reference I really haven't played magic since the first block of the last zendikar expansion.

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Reposting from last thread

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/saskia-the-token-mama/

Any Feedback on this tokens list? I'm getting Growing Ranks and Collective Blessing in the mail in a couple of days. I know I'm missing Doubling Season, but that'll come later if I find myself enjoying the deck.

Any additions you see clearly? Or anything I should cut since it isn't conductive to the plan? I know Iona doesn't fit, but it's a pet card of mine. I'll probably end up cutting it in the end anyway

Any suggestions on the landbase would be helpful too, since I see I'm kind of out of whack with land color ratios on tappedout at least.

>>50570417

Master transmuter is kind of a trap card like elvish piper, the only way to value off it is to invest in protecting it, boots and greaves should both be in the deck, and Thopter engineer is a decent card to have in the deck for the possibility of using a hasty master transmuter

As far as your other question goes, I'm still feeling that out in my Breya deck myself, at first I leaned toward lots of token production, but now im considering trying to rely on Breya more by adding more recursion and flicker instead of token making, because flicker and recursion will potentially serve as token production but also serve other purposes

Just a theory right now though, not sure how it will work in testing

Rolled 87 (1d100)

>pick 4 commanders as below
>roll d100
>whatever it lands on is your next deck

GO

>1-33: Sydri
>34-66: Wort
>67-99: Azami
>100: Animar

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Rate/hate?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/zada-goblin-explosion/

>>50570532

Good choice, here's my list for reference

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/time-crimes/

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Has anyone built Flankman and Mustache yet? I want to try them for some reason.

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underrated cards

>>50570615
love this card, and it counts as an insect for my insect tribal.

>>50570532
Speaking of Wort (the Gruul one), is it worth running the token doublers like Parallel Lives in there?

>>50570463

Eh, not really. Almost every single line Ertai has is him being a pompous little prick. Really, he's more like Liliana without any of the likability. He was an awful little shit. "I've been nothing but a snot nosed little nuisance to these people. I can't believe they left me behind! They're my bitter enemies now and I'll stop at nothing t- whoops I died."

>>50570718
Yes. I have Parallel Lives and Second Harvest in mine. Conspiring a Second Harvest with Mirari in the mix and Parallel lives on board is hilarious.

>>50570385
should I build teysa, envoy of ghosts or atheros?

>>50570766
Do you have a list posted anywhere? I want to give her a try, I've gotten bored with my Melek Fireballs build and want to give Wort a try, since she can go a couple of different ways to victory

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I'm excite

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>>50570799
>mfw building mono-red artifact grave recursion and see this
Yes

YESSSSSSS

The EDH gods have answered my prayers

>>50570779
depends what kind of 99 you want to run

athreos is pretty shit either way though

>>50570799
I'm not

Same problem with Athreos, I'd rather just have stuff in my graveyard

>>50570417
depends on if you're playing duel or multiplayer.
for duel run her as a generic control shell with her as a finisher
for multiplayer run a deck that goes infinite a bunch, throwing in as many tutors and good combos as possible

>>50570779
athreos is best in my opinion for fuck tons of shadowborn apostles, otherwise build teysa tokens.

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>>50570385
>Hatebears edition
Cause why should other people have fun?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/favor-of-the-heavens/

>>50570873
Athreos is good if you want shadowborn apostles.dec with access to white, not good for much else though

>>50570900
>for multiplayer run a deck that goes infinite a bunch, throwing in as many tutors and good combos as possible

Can confirm this is the best way to play her.

>>50570799
>40 life format
>whenever one of your artifacts die, target non-moron opponent decides to take 3 damage
Meh

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I threw this prototype list together on suggestion to build Borborygmos 2.0, did I miss anything I should be using?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/fuck-you-gruul-smash/

The current land base is kind of a placeholder, I'll get it worked out a little more when I've got the non-land straightened out.

Looking for removal options to put in New Omnath. Anyone got any suggestions?

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>>50570799
>sac a bunch of shit with Slobad, they take the damage
>Scrap Mastery it all back
This is obviously Magical Christmasland levels but I'm getting turgid just thinking about it

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>>50570532

>1-33: Geth, big mana
>34-66: Saskia, dragon tribal
>67-99: Teysa (newer), Enchantress/voltron
>100: Gisela, run every single effect that redirects damage back to opponents

Which hot meme will take it?

>>50570936

That's actually overselling it

If you ever had enough artifacts or some sort of loop going where the damage would be good, then they would stop choosing damage and give you the artifact back to hand

Effects that give your opponents a choice a really popular with the devs but usually they are completely shit

>>50570638
List?

Are there artifacts that make abilities cost more to activate? In the vein of Trinisphere but for activated or triggered abilities.

>>50570799
its bad.

>>50570490
Your creature curve is pretty high and most of your token producers are CMC 5+. It seems like there's a lot of goodstuff in there that doesn't really fit super well with tokens. Luminarch Ascention is a great card that you're never gonna get the chance to use. It's either gonna get blown up or just paint a big target on your head.

If I can make a suggestion? I've been fooling around with the idea of a Ravos+Tana token and anthem deck. It's in the same colors. Basically just pack in all the most efficient token producers and anthem effects you can. Use Black for card draw and Red for haste. And Saskia could even fit in the 98, because she's not bad for a token strategy.

With what you currently have, I'd definately take out Iona, Clan Defiance, Luminarch Ascension.

>>50570924
>>50570919
>OP here, why is Atheros good with shadowborn apostles?

>>50571021
i'm excited for it in standard, i'm hella building artifact aggro

>>50571006
Suppression Field, but it is an enchantment
Null rod and stony silence are close, but just flat out deny them.

>>50571050
sorry, didn't mean to greentext that

>>50570973
Where ancients tread
Warstorm surge

>>50571006

Idk about artifacts but there's suppression field, which I run in my enchantress deck, and it always surprises me with how much shit it fucks with

Fetchlands are ruined, Azami is mostly shutdown, captain sisay is booty bothered, glen alendra archmage is weakened, and so on and so on

>>50570782
I don't have it online anywhere and I don't have the deck with me now, but if you go to her page on EDH rec you'll get a pretty good idea of what it looks like. Braid of Fire, Vedalken Orrery and Brightstone Ritual are all secret tech.

>>50571075

I forgot the number one best thing it does which is shit on planeswalkers and especially super friends decks

Rolled 86 (1d100)

>>50570532
You're on.
>01-25: Gaddock Teeg
>26-50: Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund
>51-75: Treva, the Renewer
>76-00: Blind Seer with only pre-8ED borders

>>50570960
Storm Cauldron. Effective when it's time.

>>50571050
there's some deck that can put like 30 shadowborn apostles in play at once and then you can sac them all and something cool happens

Rolled 99 (1d100)

>>50570532
Sure fuck it why not

>1-33: Slobad sac engines
>34-66: Chainer grave fuckery
>67-99: Dralnu counter and kill all the shit
>100: Sell it all and build Scion Hermit Druid combo

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>>50571123
Damn dude

>>50571003
It's fucking terrible. Like I call it the worst 600 dollar deck ever for a reason. I'll reupload it on tapped out when I get my stuff back this week though if you are really that interested.

>>50571096
Wait
Hold up
Does that make Planeswalker abilities cost 2?

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>>50571123
>99
I dodged a fucking bullet, shit

>>50571111
>friend playing borborygmos
>swings at someone with borbor and plays storm cauldron, passes the turn
>my turn, read the card and sigh
>use all my mana to tutor and cast malignus and use it with xenagos to kill him
>get killed by the remaining two players because no lands

my gruul stronger ooga booga

>>50571150

Yes it does

And let me tell you, people do not want to pay 2 mana for every planeswalker activation

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>>50571178
I'll take it
I'll take 20

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>dunking on the table with a billion Saprolings
Ghave rules so hard oh my God

R&D was fucking smoking crank when they dreamt this guy up

>>50571160
now that i think about it, this has actually become a theme in my xenagos games

>an opponent puts down a permanent that is annoying
>tutor for malignus and kill them when they pass the turn

i don't have that much removal in my deck so i just end up removing the player instead

>>50571178
>friend just built Atraxa Superfriends
Welp, I know what I have to get now.

>>50571192

Only problem with the card is that it doesn't effect Ashnod's altar because it's a mana ability

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Do you let your friends play with alters /edhg/?

>>50571249

Not if they look like that, but yes, normally

I usually dislike alters but my friend cut his oversize commander foil in half and used the foil art and name line as a sort of horizontal alter and it looks pretty decent

>>50571249
ESPECIALLY if they look like that

>>50571249
yeah.
i stop talking to people with weeb or other trash alters/sleeves/other thing though so that alters my decision towards allowing alters.

>>50571340
That sounds kinda cool. Got any pics or alters like it?

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>>50570995
>run lord of heavy metal, rakdos
>if they let my artifact creatures return i'll get etb effects
>if they take the hit to return it to my hand i could probably just cast it cheap or free anyway
>during my opponents turn with shimmer myr or vedalken orrery

no one can destroy The Metal

>>50571387
rakdos is just eldrazi bait.

>>50571387
I don't understand how they're returning to your hand in the damage scenario. Rakdos LoR doesn't let you cast things from your graveyard.

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>>50571249
Anyone ready to lose their sanity?
http://magicfantasyalters.deviantart.com/gallery/

>>50571447
>http://magicfantasyalters.deviantart.com/gallery/
I'm jerkin it gg

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>>50571249
>>50571447
>that creepy voyeuristic feeling of looking at the results of a pubescent teenager's sexual frustrations

>>50571447
>>50571249
this is why i don't play edh with people i don't know.

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>"Get rid of X or you lose your whole graveyard"
Anyone ever do this? I feel like I'd become a hero if I used this kind of ultimatum against an opponent who is becoming archenemy. But I also feel that people wouldn't respond well to the brutality of this usage. It's one thing to exile a graveyard, it's another to get them to pull the trigger.

>>50571196
Yeah, he's pretty nuts. But he's a known quantity, so be prepared to get targeted off the table. Ghave is how arms races start.

>>50571439
talking about running >>50570799
its essentially recursion or bounce to hand take small damage i can use to play things for cheap/free again. its a pseudo loop for artifact creatures.

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>>50571507

>>50570799
Athreos was bad for creatures, who are way easier to sacrifice. This card is bad.

>>50570385
>making the tranny your commander
who does that? fetishists?

>>50571447
Is that image a troll, or is there really a combo I'm just not seeing

>>50571447
>Island
>it's clearly a black mage
oh i'm mad

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>>50571564
Yes, and?

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>>50571626
>Doesn't know Orco

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Does this work the way i think it does? I want to put it in 5c general Tazzrie
sorry for bad english, is not my first language:)

>>50571541
The damage is a nice source of recurring damage for cost reduction with Rakdos, I'll give you that, but there's no loop here unless your opponents are trying to help you with their choices.

Repeat after me: opponents-choose cards are almost always bad. If you already have plenty of mana, I'll happily take the 3 damage. If you need the 3 damage to be able to cast something, I won't.

>>50571618
>babby's first troll attempt

>>50571488
>31 pages
this has transcended being some teenager's frustration.

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>>50570439
No

>>50571638
You paid 7 mana to counter a spell. I'll take it.

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>>50571656
>Doesn't know Lady Orca

>>50571690
It's quite useless. The only reason to use is if you're a poorfag, or it's your gayfu.

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>>50571638
>Card that's an auto include in and well built deck with Green in it
>"Haha! I just happen to have the one card that gets around that! Tactical genius hurr!"

>>50571675
the point is i will always get my artifact creature back sooner or later. i forgot to mention id run things like impact tremors, warstorm forge, and pandemonium.

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>>50571750
>Wayward /pol/ troll
>Doesn't know a good card when he see's one
Yeah, checks out. Pic related comes next. Seen it all before.

>>50571753
I'm familiar with artifact creature / Eldrazi Rakdos decks, yes. I'm just saying this card probably isn't worth a slot. There plenty of reliable damage outlets and artifact recovery effects that will be what you want them to be without your opponents choosing the effect you don't want at the time.

>>50571700
>>50571752
Wasn't even the point. How about an actual thought on my question instead of "nuh uh, this one card is the perfect answer to that situation". (Which is just what Voidmage is to Krosan). I'll grant you that Krosan is more auto-include than Voidmage, but you still run recursion with Relic.

>>50571780
It's a card that is trying to be Kaalia, but failing.

Seriously, tell me ONE good point that it has that Kaalia doesn't, and that is not a poorfag excuse.

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So like, how do I build this? How do I win with this?

Can Mizzix serve as a fun host for clone decks? I haven't played with blue or red in anything other than draft in a long while.

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Anyone got a list with this guy? I got a buddy that runs islandwalk, and it ruins my day.

>>50570470
The Atraxa precon is fairly decent, just focus on +1/+1 counters and protecting your commander/creatures and you'll be ok
Also run some counters

how do i get better at politics? i suck at it

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>>50571851
My bud's Tier 1 Gosta Dirk deck fucking ruined my Kraken.dec's day, but then I put Sun Quan at the helm and there wasn't shit that bearded faggot could do about my horses.

>>50571851
i guess he slots in place of any other uw general. you can do whatever because there's nothing about him to build around.

>>50571851
Fuck that guy. No-fun Spikey bullshit.

>>50571829
Functions fine without it's commander, for one. Kaalia is so easy to trip up, it's silly. Alesha is hatebears and ETB effects for days. It's an amazing toolbox commander where it's really easy to have an answer for anything. And good luck slowing her momentum.

Kaalia does one thing really well, but if you're ready (and you should be), she's not a huge deal.

>>50571923
>Functions fine without it's commander, for one
And so does Kaalia. And if you want to play without commander you can always fill it with shit.

>Kaalia is so easy to trip up
dies to removal meme?

>It's an amazing toolbox commander where it's really easy to have an answer for anything
it's literally the same colors as Kaalia, so the same could be said about it.

>good luck slowing her momentum
you really want to compete with Kaalia on the rush department?

Honestly, the difference is that if Alesha starts to become annoying, you can easily deal with him and whatever 2 power creature he shits, but if Kaalia is already causing trouble you're fucked.

>>50571999
Boy, I thought the meme was that /tg/ was bad at Magic, but we could learn a thing or two from /pol/ about sucking.

You just keep on thinking those things, man.

>>50571675
Tasigur and painful quandary come to mind as not-bad opponents choose cards

>>50572043
>>50571999
Actually, you're both shit at magic. Alesha's a shit character and a mediocre card. Kaalia's high risk high reward.

End of discussion.

>>50572043
>>50572076
>Alesha's a shit character and a mediocre card. Kaalia's high risk high reward
Again: there is no reason to use the tranny but fetishfags or poorfags.

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Rolled 78 (1d100)

Alright
>01-45 continue upgrading Nicol Bolas deck
>46-73 actually put some money into Newzuri
>74-99 build Sygg, River Cutthroat
>100 sell all my decks except for 1 and stop wasting so much money on mtg

>>50572128
>>50571618
Go back to your safe space.

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>>50571447
>Burning Wish

>>50571807
you get to choose an opponent, which could be your bud or someone with low life. also it loops with heartless and Perilous Myr type of combos ether way.

>>50572076
>Kaalia's high risk high reward.
Correct.

>Alesha's a shit character and a mediocre card.
Incorrect. Alesha decks are solid.

>>50572189
Hence mediocre.

>>50572043
>>50571999
alesha doesn't do enough and any competent player is going to make sure kaalia eats shit the seccond she hits the board or doesn't matter because they can already beat her.

Stop feeding the troll.

Anyway, is Slobad artifacts just a modified daretti or is it different? I got bored of Breya quickly and will probably dismantle it. Thinking of building Slobad.

>>50572189
>Incorrect. Alesha decks are solid
>defending your gayfu to that extent.

you're trying to beat people up, but innefectively. Explain to me how the hell do you win with him.

>>50572203
I mean, if you require something to be Narset or Leovold good to be considered great, sure. But I think she falls pretty comfortably in the "competitive" category. Not super broken, but she's a great commander to build around and is in colors that have an answer for anything. Not mind blowing, but definitely good. Fun to play and to play against.

>>50572228
Well hey now, he was being retarded at first, but now you seem to be the retard.

Alesha is a recursion / value engine deck. There are tons of free token genning creatures, ETB triggers, and things you can chuck away to sac outlets for massive value.

She curves excellently and lets you bring back a ton of powerful cards, and she's in colors well equipped to do a ton of fiddly shit, like hitting Karmic Guide

>>50572252
I play mediocre commanders all the time, s/he/it definitely falls into the middle of the pack. Probably right around mid tier 3.

>>50572203
>>50572228
She's generally accepted to be on the lower end of Tier 2, which is very good. The most competitive lists are some form of aristocrats combo.

Good trolling is at least somewhat grounded in reality. Calling Alesha a "mediocre" general is just laughable.

>>50571833
run draw spells dirt cheap, loop reiterate with rits for storm or fireballs.

>>50572252
i think combo grenzo is better so honestly better, so i don't think that she's very competitive.

This is a somewhat typical competitive Alesha list. She's good.

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/477395-alesha-and-her-aristocrats

>>50571882
When you're behind, never play the victim card or challenge when it seems like you're getting ganged up on. Nobody likes a whiner. Just "okay, how much am I taking?" They'll back down before killing you in case you stabilize and can kill somebody. Or they'll just kill you for not having answers/board presence, in which case, politics can't help you. Don't sulk, just shrug. Ask for life totals when you're lowest.

When things are looking even, don't fiddle with your board, look at your opponents' boards worriedly (fake it, read their cards even if you know them), and don't make enemies or friends (two people who look to be becoming buddy buddy can make the other two people become actual buddy buddy).

When you're ahead, don't overextend. You quickly become archenemy if they know you're putting your pieces together. Deflect to others. "Yeah I've got an alright board going, but I can't swing in safely because of all that mana/hand he's holding up".

>>50572256
Anon, if there was such a weak creature that has such a dangerous trigger, you can just run it in Kaalia with no difference. Anyway, if by any reason the opponent feels you're going to abuse Alesha's abilities, he will just remove her. With Kaalia there is no time to react.

>lets you bring back a ton of powerful cards
i'm intrigued. Examples?

>>50572277
>Probably right around mid tier 3.
She's Tier 2.

>>50572293
>which is very good
kek.

Go on. Tell me one good combo she has.

>>50572228
>I PUT THUH BIG MONSTAH ON THUH TABLE AND WIN
Oh, so you've never actually played Magic, gotcha.

Yeah, Kaalia is good, but it's pretty clear you just found an expensive commander with flashy, splashy creatures on the EDHrec page and decided that it was your hill to die on.

She's so fucking predictable, and she's honestly kind of a trap commander. You've got this crazy high mana curve and all this stuff to try to prevent people from fucking with her. But, hmm.. I wonder what the Kaalia player is gonna try to do turn 3-4. I better hold up this counterspell, creature destruction spell, etc card just in case he casts the card that everyone knows he's gonna cast.

Everyone knows Kaalia, everyone hates playing against Kaalia, and if you had the ability to recognize social cues, you'd see that people were plotting how to take you out since you sat down with her. Enjoy your $40 meme.

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>>50572353
>doesn't know what "aristocrats" means
>example combo deck already posted
Was debating whether troll or just retard, more inclined to the latter now.

>>50572344
>Alesha
>tier 2
With the amount of setup required to make her relevant? Fuck no. She isn't the best hatebear general, isn't the best engine general, isn't the best recursion general. She doesn't have a solid enough niche to carve her way into upper tiers. Fucking Sidisi ANT is tier 2 - that deck is gay as shit and takes far less man power and moving parts to slaughter everyone.

No, Alesha is definitely tier 3.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised /pol/ is bad at MtG.

>>50572394
It's a social game, after all.

>>50570611
They have virtually no synergy and are in a terrible color combination.

>>50572394
This. Holy shit, it's like when people were still putting their fingers in their ears after Yisan was figured out, except this is even longer after the fact.

>>50572367
>>50572367
>I better hold up this counterspell, creature destruction spell, etc
Good luck controlling 3 other players as well.

>>50572378
>example combo deck already posted
GOOD combo deck..
i'm being honest here, what relevant combo does he have?

>>50572436
>i'm being honest here
No you're not, you've just committed to your shitty troll job. I don't know a single competitive commander player who considers Alesha a Tier 3 general, and I know a lot of them.

>>50572436
3 other players who are probably A-OK with having Kaalia not attack for a turn

>>50572387
>Amount of setup
>Entomb
>Buried Alive
>Master of Cruelties in the yard naturally.
Come on, son.

>>50572436
>Good luck controlling 3 other players as well
Well, once your headache has subsided, try reading the rest of the post, and you'll notice that I addressed that as well.

>>50572436
Master of Cruelties.

>>50572436
Just stop.

>>50572436
So your argument is essentially that Kaalia is the best because she can play kingmaker before she gets hated out? Man, I actually like Kaalia and I could have come up with better responses.

>>50572491
>aw man this alesha player has an alesha that can attack
>they also have a master in the yard
>better not hold up removal/blockers
who do you play against where it's relevant to play such telegraphed combos? the reason most combo decks in edh are good is that they don't need much setup. like doomsday grenzo, you can go from nothing on board and maybe a tutor cast to winning in the course of one turn.

>>50572464
>3 other players who are probably A-OK with having Kaalia not attack for a turn
3 others players that are going to defeat you, idiot. If you make your deck to solely defeat ONE opponent, of course you're gonna make it regardless of what he does, but that's not how you play the game.

>>50572459
anon, there are only two tiers, the good commanders, and the bad commanders. Some are just objectively better than others, which means Alesha will always get BTFO.

>>50572480
>try reading the rest of the post
oh sorry, i just considered it shitposting since it counted with the fact that the other players will not try to play the game as well.
You will be the faggot trying to destroy/counter everything from ONE player, while 2 others just play the fucking game. That's how it's gonna be.

>>50572491
>Master of Cruelties
it's a demon

>>50572503
>Kaalia is the best
No. Just better than that shit. My argument is that there is no reason to play alesha if there is Kaalia.

>>50572566
Am I watching Space Jam because this is some Michael Jordan-tier reach right here

>>50572536
>Not doing it all in one turn
Entomb+ Alesha proc isn't hard to pull off in one turn
>Not having ways to protect the combo
Grand Abolisher, also a 2/2
>not being unblockable
Behind the Scenes/Rogue's Passage

A combo is meant to be protected.

>>50572617
>Entomb+ Alesha proc isn't hard to pull off in one turn
Or you could.. i don't know.. just attack with Kaalia.

Welp, this thread is a dumpster fire. Goodnight /tg/!

>>50570735
He did sacrifice himself willingly, he just thought they were going to somehow come back for his ass.

>>50570799
I would rather run aether grid and ping things

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>Finally get to putting together my Melek deck
>69 playables
>14 cuts and I still want to add more card-draw
fuck

>>50571833
Theres an x burn spell with buyback, and several ways for infinate red mana, go nuts.

>>50572473
That's impractical in commander.

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Can someone post secret zada tech?
Please?

>>50572774
Mirrorwing is better

>>50572770
>he doesnt play faithless looting in his red decks
>hes too poor to buy nahiri
>hes too lazy to buy daretti
youre trying really hard to make reanimation seem impossible

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>>50572774
Fieri Gambit.

Rolled 94 (1d100)

>>50570532

>1-33: Rhys the Redeemed
>34-66: New Ulamog
>67-99: Norin, the Meme
>100: Some mono-blue bullshit deck

>>50572835
I have that but it's not a commander

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>>50572394
Yeah. Morons in general are like that.

Anyways I'm thinking of doing a major revamp to my kaalia edh, which was mainly MLD. This time, it'll have a larger emphasis on keeping creatures alive, such as darksteel plate, gift of immortality, etc, and revival spells, such as animate dead and necromancy. It'll have spells like phyrexian arena and utter end. Also, I'm going to put in a good number of mana rocks that cost 2 mana because, in my experience, are reliable.
But I'm going revamp the creatures completely to be a dragon tribal. Put in dragon support and dragon tokens. Which dragons do you guys think would work?

>>50571031
Most good token producing spells and abilities seem to be at pretty high mana costs. Should I just be running things like Raise the Alarm just to get early tokens down?

>>50572840
You're spending 2 extra cards than just attacking with Kaalia, and two very specific cards.

>>50572929
I somehow forgot about that little detail in the Commander thread.

I like Zada/Mirrorwing, but the former is just too weak. The moment you try anything he'll get killed.

>>50572977
>being at a disadvantage for looting in a reanimator deck
dude go jerk off to your waifus on /h/ or /d/ this is magic discussion time.

>1v1 EDH Night at a new shop
>Bring my Newzuri deck
>30 Minute Time Limit
>1st Match: Oloro Pillowfort
>Sit down and start shuffling my deck
>Ask Opponent if he wants to cut
>He begins to table shuffle MY DECK after I just did a single cut after he shuffled his own
>Ask him why he is doing it
Never seen you play before, gotta be sure you know
>23 Minutes on the clock now
>Plays very slowly, took five minutes on his first turn because 'he couldn't decide what to tutor for'
>Buzzer goes off five turns in
>House Rules say player with the most life wins

I play pretty casual EDH with a group of friends and this was my first time in a long time trying out a shop for commander. I didn't stay for any rounds after.

>>50573030
should have called a judge, taking 7 minutes to cut your deck is delay of game in my book, especially when he knows highest life total will win at time.

>>50573030

>pillowfort
>30 minute lime limit

Sounds like you need to run Skittles and beat his shit down.

>>50573030
>2016
>1v1 Competitive EDH
>Ever doing this

What are you? French?

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>>50573030
>nice blog
Seriously though, that's fucking gay.
I'd wouldn't play there again desu senpai

>>50573030
30 minutes seems pretty short. Combined with that house rule means people are just gonna fort all day long, unless you've got a $1k+ deck that can win T3-5.

Seems like a silly way to do things.

My LGS has pretty decent rules about it, Saturday is the "Commander Tournament," which usually sees like 8-12 people. Four person pods, one game, 90 minute time limit. The guy running it typically groups people so weaker players are with weaker, stronger with stronger, etc.
Haven't actually participated so I'm not sure what they do for scoring, but I'll probably try it out after this Saturday Showdown stuff is over in two weeks.
Last weak my Summonings deck lost to a ten year old playing RW vehicles. Bitter, bitter tears were held back.

>>50573030
>House Rules say player with the most life wins
wew lad
>Oloro
WEW LAD
E
W

L
A
D

>>50573030
Your first mistake was trying to play a casual, multiplayer format as "competitive".

At least you left at the first red flag, good on you anon. Best of luck in your search.

Okay, just need some clarification on Phasing in multiplayer (let's say three players).

If I use Teferi's Veil and attach with a creature, it phases out at the end of combat.

But the question is: when does it phase in? From my reading of the rules, it waits until MY next untap step, correct? Or does it do it on the next player's untap step? Or the third player's untap step?

>>50573481
Says "your next untap step" so your turn.

>>50573166
Second red flag, not first. The first was '1v1 commander tournament'.

I went to a store that was running duel commander league, got creamed. Then, scheduling mishaps killed the commander community.

Found a new store, and I'm actually having fun with the 14-15 people that get brought in for casual commander night.

>>50573481
its yours, its meant to protect your creatures from wraths like an early version of vehicles. play a few creatures with it and then leave the chumps behind to defend you, if a wrath comes they drop right back in ready to go on your upkeep.

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>>50573030
go back and play this bad boy

>>50571638

Why voidmage apprentice when there's a better version in tarkir block?

>>50571833
Storm out, take all the turns, shoot all the grapes & empty all the warrens.

does anyone else hate planeswalkers to such a degree in terms if flavor, that you go out of your way to include the least of them in a build?

>>50573926
None of them are strictly better.
Stratus Dancer only hits Instant/Sorcery
Kheru Spellsnatcher costs 6 just to flip
Silumgar Spell-Eater costs 5 to flip and can be paid off

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>>50571249
How many more are there


I Like them

>>50574171
about this many >>50571447

>>50574060

>in terms of flavor

Is that because you don't like the sort of contradiction of the player being a planeswalker who summons other planeswalkers with mana?

Or is the problem that most planeswalkers have stupid lore because wotc are bad at writing lore articles and stories?

>>50574060
I don't.

>>50570417
Master transmuter is great, but Breya is really good for recursion and reanimation style cheating. I find myself winning most my games without a hand at all.
I wouldn't waste too many card slots in protecting MT.
Goblin welder puts in way more work in. My deck.

>>50574276
>Planeswalkers have stupid lore

Have you read Karn or Sorin's lore?

How many lands does a rakdos wort goblin tribal deck need? How many accelerants?

>>50573030
>tfw you didn't win on turn 3
trash.dec

you should've just infinite'd his scrub ass and watched as the tears poured onto his $20 modified precon

>>50574530
ive been running 37 lands and like 6/7 accelerants.

>>50574603
Thank you!

Have you found looters to be successful? Goblin lore,burning inquiry?

>>50574635

I said this last thread but Ima say it again, looting is good, random discard not so much

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Post em!
Who are your babies?

>>50574832
You got something for them sexy faces.

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Looking for opinions on this pile I have going. Never built anything like this before so I'm wondering if the deck even makes sense, not sure if I'm on the right track.

I'm trying to be group hug but I also want to win with it, I want those two things to combine harmoniously rather than clash, if that's possible, I'm honestly not sure.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/enchanted-morning-1/

Basically I'm trying to give everybody all the mana and cards they want, but I'll have the most of both, and then I blue-balls them the rest of the game with all the hate I draw that breaks the symmetry

I'm like 20 cards over 100 right now so you can suggest areas to trim, but mostly I just want to know if my general idea for the deck actually makes sense, if anybody has any experience winning with group hug that would be appreciated

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>>50574857
What can I say, I love those pearly whites

>>50574832
I miss the art of larry macdougall. It made lorwyn and morningtide feel so calm.

>>50574943

Yeah it's sad that we'll never go back to that art style at this rate, cuz it was the best

Larry macdougall never did any other art besides that block

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>>50571447
>it started off as pretty good normal alters

>>50571447
>>50575072
>normal alters
>It's all panties and tits and cunts

What the fuck do people actually play with cards like this? Does this person -sell- these to people!? Are there really nerds of this level out there?!?

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>>50575127
>normal alters

If you go back in the dudes histories to the beginning, it used to be normal alters, pic related.

He MUST be getting paid by someone to do these.

...right?

>>50575127
I'm more curious as to why people would want such low quality tits and cunt alters.

If you like a card enough to get it altered, get it altered PROPERLY.

So for the sake of my sanity, I assume those alters are him done personally as alter "practice".

>>50572774
dude, play every single red card that cantrips either this or next turn except for the ones that deal damage and generate fuckloads of tokens. it allows you to draw a fuckload of cards when you copy a cantrip like 6 times

>>50572994
you do realize all the copies still happen even if he gets killed in response right? like all you need is like two spells to crash in a game ending army.

what exactly is an 'alter'?

Do you you give an artist the actual card, and they paint on it?

>>50575522
Yes.

anything else is a proxy.

>>50575522
Alter, AKA Alteration.

Yes. They typically paint on the card directly. In the case of those cheapo anime bitch ones, they look like they're stickers or paper glued onto the card.

>>50575535
>anything else is a proxy.
Well sure, but if you own the actual card, having a proxy isn't that big of a deal, right?

Do people do this with cards worth money, or just dollar rares?

>>50575556
In sanctioned play, proxies of any kinds are not allowed.

Anywhere else, you could literally be playing with toiletpaper as long as people are fine with it.

>>50575593
How would a judge be able to tell the difference between an alter and a proxy?

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>>50575556
>Do people do this with cards worth money
They do it with ALL cards.
Last time I posted this image, I got b&.

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>>50575556
>Do people do this with cards worth money, or just dollar rares?

>>50575612
>>50575614
No.
Nah, nigga, this can't be real.

>>50575625
http://www.gatheringmagic.com/altered-reality-%E2%80%93-black-lotus/

>>50575606
That depends entirely on the quality of the proxy?

If its a chinaman proxy, they probably wouldn't notice. That is, unless they actively look at them trying to see if they are fake or not. If someone actually tries to see if a proxy is fake, they will be able to pretty much every time.

Some proxies are also terrible quality and are easily distinguishable as fake.

There's fake cards that have gone through BSG ratings without being noticed, although that's mostly human error and because they just assume it's real when they get it.

>>50575612
>>50575614
>>50575635
https://youtu.be/ej-CSyD49dM

>>50572925
Norin's fun. Think of him more like control/combo than the chaos bullshit everyone else does and you're set.

>>50575243
this alter blows

Rolled 28 (1d100)

>>50570532

>1-33: Lazav, mill/reanimator
>34-66: Breya, artifact shenanigans
>67-99: Shu-Yun, combat control
>100: Nekusar, you know how it goes

>>50573030
>>>House Rules say player with the most life wins

oh my fucking god

>>50572413
>terrible colour combo
once the decks reach 3 colours, they can be pretty well rounded. unless your definition of terrible colour combo is "any colour identity without blue"

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Is this bad boy as strong as I think he is in an Atraxa/Proliferate deck ?
How do I protect him ?

>>50573534
>friend tells me about a local lgs having a casual 1v1 edh mini tournament, low cost to enter for small prizes (like 3 packs if you won all 3 matches)
>ask about rules
>"oh it's just normal edh rules"
>ask about edric or oloro being banned
>"nope"
>ask about sol ring being banned
>"nah"
>ask about total life
>"40"
>tell him it sounds terrible
>"it's not dude"
>he goes there and says everyone was playing casual stuff and he won a lot with his casual deck
>"ok fine"
>enter the tourney next week they have the same thing, don't bring a very powerful deck because don't want to be that guy
>sign up and look at the guys' decks
>1000 dollar brago flicker deck
>2000 dollar narset deck
>3000 dollar leovold combo deck

supposedly all the tryhards in the area caught a whiff of the tournament after the first one they had so now everything sucks. their decks weren't that good despite the outrageous amount of expensive staples so i think i might tune up my 150 dollar xenagos deck and try to smash them some time

>>50570532
>1-33: Noyan Dar
>34-66: Wort, Raidmother
>67-99: Thrasios+Whatever
>100: Riku

>>50576150
WRG has historically been and currently is one of the worst color combos in the game. Not to mention that the chosen commanders are dudes that do little besides turn sideways yet have no built in protection, while simultaneously being small creatures in a format with 40/21 life.

>>50576161

Looks easy enough to level up without needing to proliferate.

Proliferate doesn't target, right? So just give him shroud and wait

Rolled 12 (1d100)

>>50570532
>1-50: UB zombie tribal and token swarm, focus on goodstuffing and grinding opponents out
>51-100: Mono-B zombie tribal with self-mill and Balthor the Defiled, go for a big fucking fuck-you mass reanimation

>>50576178
>duel Commander
>casual
>tournament
This shit doesn't add up.

What the fuck even is a 'casual tournament'?

>>50576221
people compete in a tournament format, except there's an unenforced agreement that you shouldn't bring the most tryhard bullshit deck ever because that will make you look like a piece of shit for basically a token prize

it worked for exactly 1 week and then the That Guys showed up

>>50576178
In my experience, super expensive decks aren't really that tuned, many on purpose or through how the deck came to be.

Basically, they start with a cheap deck that slowly grows over time while following their local playgroups arms race.

Gradually, they pimp/foil pet cards they enjoy, get expensive staples that make their original theme stronger, until they end up with really expensive "high-end" decks.

Those decks are still tuned to their local playgroups current powerlevel threshold, which usually involves many sub-par cards or non competetive choices, or simply focused on themes that restrict how powerful the deck can actually get (Like how a BUG reanimator deck would be better off focusing on assembling an instant win combo, instead of having a lot of big flashy and often expensive bombs, which can win the game on their own but isn't certain by a long shot).

Over time people also build multiple decks, usually varying in powerlevel. People often purposefully have one deck that is their "strongest" deck, which pushes the limits of what is acceptable in their playgroup. This is also usually the deck they put the most effort into, making it more expensive.
It's still usually not a 100% streamlined generic combo netdeck, but has their own personal twists.
Naturally, when they hear that there is going to be a tournament, they bring their best deck, which leads to your scenario.

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>>50576200
But with Atraxa and Inexorable Tides (if I draw him late) , he is even faster to level up.
A Robe of Mirrors can do the job right ?

>>50576251
Also, it's a chance to show off that bling.

You really brought it upon yourself for hosting a 1v1 tournament with multiplayer rules though. That's just a really bad idea.

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>>50576252

I'd choose something you can reuse, but that is fine too

>>50576242
If the way to win said tournament is the traditional way, then it's a fundamentally broken system.

The prizes should be handed out for literally any other reason than who actually won the games.

>>50576270
>>If the way to win said tournament is the traditional way, then it's a fundamentally broken system.

that's what i said, but then my friend said he did fine in the first tourney by playing a casual deck. at the time i had just bought a new casual deck and wanted more playtests in, so i decided fuck it and paid the 4 euros to enter

the power level still wasn't that high. i tried my xenagos deck against that brago flicker deck and i absolutely smashed him in like 5 turns with a ruric thar

>>50575614
Those at least look good, not like the pony ones.

>>50576161
>tfw I made a fortune in jank cards on Puca because Chronologist spiked during tinymemes
Feels good

>>50576182
Ok who should I pair Thrasios with? I had some sort of value deck in mind, doing a Coiling Oracle each turn and shit.

>>50576306
tymna or ravos, if youre in it for value

>>50576315
With Tymna I could do small evasive dudes.dek, seems nice. I'm just gonna get fucked by another 4c manabase so soon, let's see if ther UG gods will save me with just basics.

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>>50571865
I know it's ok, I want to make it better though. And there are several ways to make it better given the colors, stax is one way, poison is another, I suppose I could have started with my budget right now is 300 to sink into the deck, what should be my next step?

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You have 12 seconds to cut ONE card from this deck or in your next game your mother will get exiled.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/march-of-the-swords/

>>50576380
Easy, Serra Ascendant

Alternatively Bludgeon Brawl

>>50576395
WAITWAITWAIT you have Torrential Gearhulk for just 4 instants?

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>>50576349
Doubling season is way too good with her.
Inexorable tides is awesome.
I think Aether Vial can perform very well, but is quite costy.
Yisan is a cheaper vial.
I like the Vivid lands since they have counters and can technically provide all mana color every turn.
Contagion Engine
Managorger Hydra
Sphere of the Suns
Lighthouse Chronologist
And some Walkers like Ajani or Garruk can be excellent

>>50576399
Rofl, yeah I can't read. Derp.

Well THAT'S out

>>50576349
Storage and depletion lands are p good with Atraxa. Druids' Repository and Gemstone Array too.

>>50576380
You do realize that equipment can no longer be equipped and falls off, once it becomes a creature, right?

>>50576414
What do you think about adding in Ezuri claw of progress, hangerback walker, solarion, the thopter foundry combo, and that new green gearhulk thing?

>>50576306
>Puca

I got some bad news you for you.

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>>50576511
Are you bloody kidding me m8

>>50576537
No he's not, looks like the card you are gonna cut is the gimmick.

>>50576511
Guess I'll just add Tempered Steel kek

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tempered%20Steel

>>50576529
Ezuri can be really cool.
Green Gearhulk could be good but you have enough cards giving +1/+1 to EVERY creature.
Solarion can be monstruous if played well.
As for Thopter Foundry and Hangerback, really I don't know.

>>50576532
That was a long time ago, before the update. Haven't traded in Puca for some months now.

>>50576595
>Solarion can be monstruous if played well
So can Suncrusher and Lunar Avenger and they put up more work.

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>>50576613
Also Avenger looks wicked, his foil must be cash

Yo /edhg/, would you mind helping out a man new to playing Gruul with his deck? I've already been to Edhrec, all the cards they had are ones even I knew to add to the deck or cards that just weren't good enough. Commander is Thromok the Insatiable, despite having both Xenagod and Ulasht, the Hate Seed in the deck, because I've had him for the longest time and always wanted to use him, plus the fact that I wanna make a million worm/dick jokes. Is there any glaring mistakes in the list, shit that needs to be taken out or put in? Any secret tech that would help immensely? Would appreciate any advice.

Here's the link: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-conqueror-worm-1/

>>50576886
make sure you have 10-12 ramp cards
make sure you have 7-12 ramp cards
you could also add a creature tutor suite for answering problems on the board (ie. worldly tutor -> acidic slime to kill a nasty land)

bad cards:

fling
mage slayer
feldon is a bit of a misfit for your deck

>>50577285
>make sure you have 7-12 ramp cards
i mean draw cards

>>50574635
no, i use the more typical stuff to draw like skullclamp and gempalm incinerator. raidmother would benifit more from goblin lore and the other red draw spells, but burning inqury is not so good. thinking of adding sensation gorger for secret gobbo draw tech since i get stuff back with auntie and it disrupts opponets. here is what i based my deck around and tuned from there

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wort-boggart-auntie-mother-of-the-mob/

>>50576886
Use mirrorwing dragon

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Did anyone figure out an actually not trash Vehicle deck yet? I know Depala exists but I'm sure better options exist.

>>50577460
That's difficult because most vehicles are trash.

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>>50577460
get /inspired/

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>>50577460
>Building a 100-card singleton deck for a gimmick with next to no support

>>50577285
>10-12 ramp cards
That's rather excessive, isn't it? Especially once you get to mid-late game? Besides which, my playgroup is a bit slow/casual, so ramping out like that is the surest way for me to become Archenemy (not that that isn't the case usually but I'm trying to avoid giving them a reason). Fling is potentially 25+ for 2 mana, besides the fact that there's a faggot in my playgroup that likes to Mind Control other people's Commanders, so if he wants my Worm, he can have him. Mage Slayer can be damn good, dealing 25+ damage before blocks is nothing to sneer at. I do follow you on Feldon though, he's just there because I like him.

>>50577460
Wait for Aether Revolt, if they print a few more solid ones we might be getting somewhere.

There are only a few vehicles that are not terrible and like two that are actually good.

Bomat Bazaar Barge: Because it replaces itself and can draw if you constantly bring it back or flicker it.

Cultivator's Caravan: Its a mana rock that can attack, its pretty solid

Fleetwheel Cruiser: In Depala this is pretty swell since its a 6/4 on curve that can immediately apply pressure

Skysovereign, Consul Flagship: Solid card, what all vehicles should strive to be. Does stuff on ETB and can snipe low toughness commanders.

Smuggler's Copter: Looting is great, especially on a flying 3/3 that can be swinging as early as turns 2-3

Aradara Express: Solid cost to power ratio.

I like the idea of a creature aggro strategy that is basically immune to sorcery speed creature wraths, but the set up is very hard to make work.

Depala being Boros sucks SO hard as the lack of mana ramp hurts the deck. Early game you want to rush these cheap potential beaters out, but you cant, you need to play the crew first.

I've heard that Sydri is probably the best, as she turns them into creatures if you don't have the crew but still...

Heart of Kiran isn't helping either. Vehicles need to DO something besides just be a beater to be viable in EDH, but the potential IS there.

The concept, an artifact aggro deck that has its beaters only being creatures on your turn, not your opponents as a means of protection, is solid. We just need better vehicles to really get somewhere... to make the set up worth it.

>>50577450
Why?

Anyone have any experiencec with Sygg, River Cutthroat? I like the idea of a low curve with a lot of card draw (that isnt edric) but how does the deck win?

can someone post sexy alters?

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is this the most cancerous mtg general?

>>50577689
It generally doesn't. At least not in my meta. It's just dudes durdling around, trying to go off. Anyone promoting any kind of interactivity or daring to turn things sideways without it ending the game right there gets quickly ganged up on and snuffed out.

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So I tore Breya apart to just flesh out Sydri, and with all the stuff left over I was able to piece together Slobad.

Just tested it and... holy shit, this is nuts. The first game I played I had a Gilded Lotus and a Sculpting Steel copying it (and two other artifacts) with him out. Played Jokulhaups and then laughed as I sat there with six mana to play with.

Played Ward of Bones and everyone groaned.

Why didn't I make this deck sooner? It's so fun.

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is this good?

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>>50578330

How many (Non God) indestructible enchantment and Indestructible creatures with at least two mana symbols in them are there?
I'm trying to pack gods and Indestructible creatures into Yidris to survive through board wipes.

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>>50577460
All I want from Aether Reborn is a vehicle that transforms into a gearhulk, that way I can make an alter as pic related

>>50572334
Karmic Guide, Mirror Entity, Master of Cruelty

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>>50575614

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>>50575614

>>50578330
Well, if you play with sideboard rules, it's potentially adding 15 sorceries to your deck. I've toyed with thew idea of putting it in my RG Wort deck and having a sideboard full of powerful but situational spells. I just don't know what those would actually be.

My group allows the Wish spells, but we're all friends playing for fun, so YMMV.

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>>50578647
Jesus fucking Christ

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>>50578647
This is the first time I've seen the ABU dual guru alters.
It's not fair, it's not right.

Which mono black commander would I use Null Profusion in?
Maybe splash blue or black?
I need a new deck and I think I want to try a mono color for once.

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>>50578647
>mfw

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>>50578647

>>50578726
My friend uses it in Toshiro Umezawa but I don't think it is considered a good card.
That said he got it down late game with a bunch of mana doublers and a Lilly emblem and proceed to board wipe with individual removal spells.

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I made this last night and played with friends. It was hella fun. Some cards I need to change. Any recommendations?

>>50578169
Welcome to the fun, friend

>>50570960
Key cards:
Angry omnath (you have rampaging baloths, so you should have this guy)
Abundance (combos with snake umbra and the other one)
Sylvan library (combos with abundance once you get it, in addition to being good on its own)

And look into Ghost Town if you're looking to continue your heavy landfall theme.

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>>50578647
>ALL OF THAT MONEY

>>50579037
Here's mine. Tbh, I don't like a lot of artifacts in the deck. My playgroup isn't very MLD heavy, so I don't worry so much about rocks. Regardless, I'm usually never short on mana.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/temur-goodstuff-4/

Anyway, I put up my Slobad list. I wanna get a few more things like Darksteel Forge, Oblierate, Mycosynth Lattice, and Kuldotha Forgemaster but I like how it is for now.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/slobad-isnt-sobad/

>>50579295
BBE I thought i had and didn't buy when I was at my lgs, and I was wrong.

The idea of the deck is just to drive everyone fucking crazy. I don't want it to be TOO good, but I want to be able to win. Just fucking craziness is what I want.

My boyfriend will play EDH, but only if I build him a werewolf deck to satisfy his autistic TF fetish.

Is there any spicy tech for Ulrich werewolf tribal? It's such a bad deck.

>>50578169
Got a list?

>>50578647

The guru duals could have been a neat alter, if executed by a decent artist.

>>50579374
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/slobad-isnt-sobad/

So with isochron scepter, dramatic reversal and a sol ring I can basically cause an endless loop right?

>>50579443
That's actually pretty clever.

>>50579443
Yeah. Bump that Sol Ring up to any 3-mana producing rock and it nets infinite mana too.

>>50573001
anon, you're spending 2 extra cards that in another deck you could put anything else.

You can attack + do 2 other things instead of just attacking.

>>50579474
Seems pretty sweet with mycosynth lattice. going right into sen triplets.

>>50579443
Sorta. The only truly 'endless' loops are ones that will continue themselves without your input, like the famed Triple O-Ring. This is a loop that you can repeat indefinitely (since it's self-sustaining), but because it requires choices on your part to keep going, you must eventually stop.

So basically you'd demonstrate one iteration of your loop to prove that it's repeatable, then tell me exactly how many iterations of that loop you want to perform, and the exact end-state of the game once we get there (for example, if you had a Gilded Lotus instead of a Sol Ring, you'd say "Repeat this loop 5000 times, leaving me with 1000 mana of each color floating"), and then we'd just shortcut right to that.

>>50570470
why oviya over rhys? Rhys is like strictly better

>>50571897
>Gosta Dirk
>Tier one

>>50579812
I think he was. ..how you say. ..pulling your leg

>>50579427
This looks like a good time

>>50576187

That's just not true at all

WRG is an excellent color combo, marath's success is proof of that

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/h-e-l-t-e-r-s-k-e-l-t-e-r/

Behold, my most recent abomination: A Metal-themed Thraximundar deck. Highly considering trimming it to be a Mogis deck because the blue just feels kinda 'there'.

>>50578115

The modern one is more consistently bad, but this one has lower lows

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>>50576252

Gotta go with Alexi's cloak for that sweet sweet "In response I"

>>50574871

Still looking for opinions on this, and if any of you have a group hug decklist in any color combo that has a decent winrate id like to see it

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>about to play edh with brother and his friends, unloading decks and shuffling up
>new guy comes to play, new friend of my brother
>pulls out massive double sleeved edh deck
>" Man, shuffling is fucking hard with such a big deck" the guy says in a smarmy tone
> "thank god I have this! "
>literally pulls pic related out of backpack.
>entire table watches in horror as leovold gets sent through the grinder multiple times, to ensure "maximum shuffleage"

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>>50580110
Diplomatic immunity is good too!

>>50580169

Did it work?

My friend tried one of those once and the cards were undamaged but it didn't shuffle them very well because they were too big with the sleeves on

>>50579347
Just check on edhrec, Ulrich is a nonbo with pretty much all the werewolves so don't get your hopes up. Also bad taste in tf. Yasova does it better, you can steal people's creatures and transform them for yourself.

Ever steal a Nicol Bolas and Jalira him into a qt Den Protector milf?

Your boyfriend's autism is nothing in the wake of my own.

>>50580204
I've seen those things obliterate casino decks too often to trust them with anything more expensive than a draft deck.

>>50580216

>ulrich is a nonbo with all the werewolves

Is that just cuz he's mediocre? What's the nonbo?

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>>50580110
>>50580192
>Implying the Stealth suit isn't the best option

>>50580204
>>50580243

Nothing got damaged other than the nasty scuff marks on the sleeves, he didn't seem to mind, he seems to be the kind of degenerate that spends like 9/10 budget of deck on cards and 1/10th on the sleeves and box. I'm talking ultrapro sleeves and shitty velcro+ plastic """commander """" box .

Honestly would NOT recommend using the shuffler. Just hand shuffle rather than send your deck through a machine.

Did I mention the thing is loud as fuck, it sounds like a wood chipper

>>50579347
Just put all the werewolves in Ruric Thar so they might maybe sometimes transform without moonmist.

>>50575612
This rustles my jimmies. Seriously, if someone showed me a binder with those cards i would choke that person to death, and it would feel good.

>>50580253
Did I use the wrong term? I just wanted to indicate his complete lack of synergy with the other werewolves. The only time werewolves are even referenced on his card are when he's prohibited from targeting them.

How do I make a good manabase for breya without spending a fortune?

>>50580300
If it makes you feel better, the guy used to defend his choices as "they're mine, I'm never gonna sell them, I like them better this way"...

And I've seen images floating around of most (if not all) of the Pony cards sitting in a vendor case for like 30% of the value they would have without that fuck-awful art.

>>50580367
Throw it in the trash and build Sharuum.