Now that I'm about to become a dad I have to seriously cut

>>50567857

Squash your crotchfruit.

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>OP becoming a dad
Say goodbye to your freetime m8
sucks to be you

Congratulations to you and your husband. Did the paperwork take long?

On more serious note: Hand it over. Holding responsibility for something you already know won't be able to do properly only makes sense when you're getting paid for it.

>>50567874
>>50567987

Not op. You know it's kind of sad that you care more about free time than propagating your lineage. Your gonna be sad lonely shits when your old and grey.

>>50567857
Weekly works for me, were you doing it more than that?

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>>50568005
Jokes on you, im already sad and lonely

>>50568005
>Your gonna be sad lonely shits when your old and grey.
You hang out with your grandparents much? Being old IS being lonely.

>>50568080

well at least your honest with yourself.

>>50568090

Actually my grandparents are dead. But when they were still alive yes actually, we did see them on a pretty regular basis, and after grampa passed grandma moved in with us so we could help her.

>>50568091
Because lying would make it better ?

>>50567857
Focus on the kid, get back to gaming once it can drink its own water

>>50568135
Go outside and walk around alone anon

You'd be surprised what insight the world will give you.

>>50568135

No, but lots of people still do it. Denial is pretty common.

>>50568080
Join the club bud. Why else do you think we keep coming back here.

>>50567857

Aaand this got depressing fast. I say cut down on frequency for a while.

>>50568157
Define "insight"

>>50567987
I know. :(

>>50567993
>On more serious note: Hand it over. Holding responsibility for something you already know won't be able to do properly only makes sense when you're getting paid for it.
Yeah, that's definitely where I'm leaning.

>>50568066
I was doing it weekly. No way in hell I'm gonna be able to keep that up

>>50568140
Man, being a responsible adult blows. I hadn't planned on being a responsible adult for another 10 years.

>>50568206
That seems to be the prevailing opinion. Also, why depressing?

Give your players the session of their dreams

>>50568209
You'll stop feeling like your misanthropy comes out of nowhere. You'll actually see the reasons why you don't like people.

>>50568353
But Anon, OP is a married man!

>>50567857
swapping DMs mid-campaign is a bummer

Finish it, then let someone else DM the next one.

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>>50568391
I don't dislike people in general, i just don't see the benefits or reason why is should getting married and having kids

>>50568005
>it's important to spawn, more important than anything else
It isn't though, you either conceptualize children as some sort of immortality in a vain attempt to combat your own mortality, or have an inflated ego where you believe that popping out a kid is your gift to the world, there really isn't any reason to contribute to the already overpopulated planet with an uncertain future.

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>>50568559

>>50568559

it's not necessarily that it is important to spawn in and of itself, its that it provides me with benefits down the line. I'll have someone who will theoretically care for me in my old age.

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>>50568603
Well, okay I guess that's legitimate too, so long as you understand the selfish reasoning behind your decision.

Personally I'm betting on there being domestic robots who can take care of me in another 60 years, that or dying before I get old, either works.

>>50568603
There is no certainty that they will take care of you when you're old

>>50568666

I am fully aware that i am a selfish bastard. i'm also aware that overpopulation isn't the only demographic problem in the world, and that on a localized scale a lack of children to replace the work force is very bad. my nation and demographic are sufficiently well off that unless there is some manner of extremely cataclysmic event we should weather whatever hardships come in the future as well as just about anyone can be expected to.

>>50568559
>ITT: Selfish people post selfish reasons on why they would want to have kids, then counter their own reasoning.
Look, you won't understand. I can never make you understand. You don't want kids until you do, and you'll never be able explain exactly why you both made the decision in the first place, but right now, I can't say I would change my decision for the world. Every small victory for him is like the biggest victory to me.

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>>50568157
Not him, but "gaining Insight" is the reason most of us are here in the first place.

For the first time in my life I am seeing my life clearly, and I hate it.

When I look back, I see myriad of regrets. Opportunities bungled or lost due to cowardice or ineptitude, Forks in the road where my future could've gone amazingly if only I hadn't been such a fuckin idiot.

I look down and I see the outcome of every single mistake and failure, building up together to make a grand monument of disappointment, regret, and dissatisfaction. A shell of a man living a shell of a life, unable to grasp at even the most low-hanging of fruits that life has to offer, that the most Schmo of Joes had achieved.

I look forward And I see a long, boring, road to nowhere. A bleak path paved with more of the same, leading slowly but surely downhill, with the only remaining forks trailing off into the abyss. And when I look at this, at the legacy of my life so far, I don't know wether to feel despair, rage, or just exasperated annoyance, for the disappointment is only rivaled by the boredom.

Sometimes I think about taking those veering paths, just for the sheer novelty and change of pace. But I fear the abyss, and I have no wish to confront it.

So instead I come here to hang out you fuckers, to involved in some shitposting arguments, worldbuilding, and maybe even catch a story time or two.

>>50568706

No there isn't. But i can increase the probability of it by raising them correctly. And if i don't have them, then there is absolutely no chance they will because they won't exist, so i have a larger chance if they do. From my perspective your argument makes little sense, but that's just me.

>>50568460
Personally I don't hate all the people, but I think plenty of them, most of them, really are no good. So the first condition for starting a family would be finding woman that is worth my time in the long run and convincing her somehow that I'm worth her time (and trust me, the 4chan habit would not be the worst obstacle).
Second condition would be material security. I grew up in poverty and would hate my kid to go through the same. While I'm in decent line of work, the economical situation of my country isn't particularly stable, so that means building big enough cushion.
Plus I can't trust my parents with babysitting, seeing as they were raising me I would not trust them with a child of my sworn enemy, let alone my own.
So yeah, it adds up. Before I get everything set the way I'm comfortable with it might be too late because my sack dries up or something.

Adopting some abandoned or neglected girl and grooming her into perfect waifu / daughteru in psychologically unhealthy but no doubt loving co-dependent relationship will always be an option though. I mean, if random /fit/ kraut can do it, so can I...

>>50568559

OR he just understands the whole utility function of biology really well.

Life Perpetuates. That is as close to a "meaning of life" as you will get without turning to religion or pseudophilosophy.

Good on you for passing on dem genes OP, know that you do your proto-cellular ancestors proud.

(For real though, just structure around it? Same thing happened to our GM, we just travel to his place and take smoke breaks whenever he needs to coddle or change the new PC. She cute as hell too, we bring toys and stuff. It's kinda weird actually, we're kinda raising the kid tribally, two of the players allready tried their hands changing her diapers.)

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>>50568753
>I am fully aware that i am a selfish bastard.
Well then, I got no problem with you buddy, sorry for trying to pick a fight.

>that on a localized scale a lack of children to replace the work force is very bad.
In that case once again my bet is on robots, chances are automation is going to really start fucking with the workforce about as bad as they did during the industrial revolution some time during this century. Guess we just have different views of the future.

>>50568782

Shit. Trite as this may sound you can change man. I mean i'm glad to have you here, but i'm sure you could incrementally improve your life bit by bit.

>>50568753
>on a localized scale a lack of children to replace the work force is very bad
My country has the same issue. The fact that the... lineages... which are breeding the most are the ones that will never touch work as long as welfare exists certainly doesn't help.

>>50568854

....i think it's kind of strange that by asserting i'm a bad person i avoided an argument, and that you don't have a problem with me because i know i'm an ass. Generally i would think people would have a problem with the guy who knowingly acts in a fashion that is reprehensible, rather than the man who does what he thinks is good and right.


>Robots are the future

Well i mean yes. You are correct. Automation is a thing and it will get progressively more advanced. I still think we will need the human element. I'm also uncertain of how far robots will be able to go, and i don't know how long we will have the resources we need to make them work. Furthermore even if we have robots, robots don't bring in income they can funnel to me when i am no longer able to provide for myself. Even if basic jobs are replaced by robots, that's not the work i do, and i don't imagine it would be the work my kids will do either.

>>50568782
Yeah, right. That's called depression.
Go get some groovy drugs.
Sometimes im in the same spot, the trick is to not think about it.

What? Were you expecting me to cheer you up about it? The pointlessness you're describing is called the human condition.

On the bright side you're no worse off than everyone else. They just don't realize it, or have enough distractions to keep them from those thoughts.

The best concrete advice i can give you is seek help? Depression is a killer, i had it once, i read the statistics

Therapy or antidepressants are viable temporary solutions untill you get better. Go get them, it's important. A broken psyche is no different from a broken bone, just a lot harder to fix easily.

You'd go to the doctors if you broke your leg right?

>>50568784
Raising kids for the vague hope that they will tend to you once you become old just seems to be too much for too little imo

>>50568803
>Life Perpetuates. That is as close to a "meaning of life" as you will get
But it isn't meaning, it's a functional definition. Meaning implies some sort of intent, and assuming by your post you are nonreligious, that does not exit. Life's purpose is no more to replicate than an igneous rock's purpose is to be an igneous rock.

Anyways continuing off tangent, what to me makes humans relatively special among life is our ability to willingly choose to forgo many of our instincts (such as self replication).

>>50568960

Well there is also the emotional satisfaction involved. But that is a subjective thing, so i won't try to argue for it.

Here is the thing, a lot of things are uncertain. You can fail at any number of things. Just because i apply for a job doesn't mean i will get it. Just because i work hard doesn't mean i will succeed in life. Just because you go to college doesn't mean you'll get rich. Does that mean i shouldn't work hard and i shouldn't apply? That people shouldn't bother with college? In my opinion no. There are no certainties in life except that if you never try you never get anything at all. In my opinion. Better to try. It's also not that vague of a hope. Until recently it was pretty standard actually. In Asian countries it still is standard, and it is the standard behavior of every one of my relatives, and most of the people i know in my community, so unless the media manages to poison my children against me (which is sadly likely) i don't think it's a crap-shot.

>>50567857
End your game through apocalypse like they did with oWoD

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>>50568782
As my father used to say to me
"Life suck, big time"

>>50568972
I said "as close to"

And yeah, humans being special is a point of view i often hear expressed from humans.
(although my sampling demographic may be biased)

A human choosing to not replicate is as special and meaningful as a bacteria with a terminal mutation.

The desire to not replicate is, to be frank, a trait that evolution -very- heavily selects against.

But yeah, we do need to fix this overpopulation problem. I vote the other gene-bags start.

(seriously though, bringing up a well-educated child from a western world will, probably, contribute a lot more to solving these problems than the alternative, well-educated humans are ressources more than problems)

>>50569094
He sounds like a pragmatic man.

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>>50569034
Well, if you want kids, i won't change your mind
Me however, i prefer being alone

>>50569137

And if you don't want them i know i am unlikely to change your's either. I'm just explaining my position. Good talking with you anon. Enjoy your solitude and freedom from responsibility.

>>50567857
It'll pretty hard to prove it wasn't just SIDS

>>50569170

I'm actually surprised it took this long.

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>>50569157
Being alone aint that bad m8

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>>50568928
>Generally i would think people would have a problem with the guy who knowingly acts in a fashion that is reprehensible, rather than the man who does what he thinks is good and right.
That's probably true. I guess I'm just an odd duck, but what I personally cannot stand is the sort of hypocrisy that people have who believe what they do is always right, while also holding beliefs that would say what they are doing is not right. For instance in this example, lots of people end up having a kid for what is ultimately selfish reasons while framing it as a good act, all while at the same time they think selfishness is wrong. That contradiction in professed belief and deed is what annoys me. So it doesn't really bother me in the end if someone does something selfish knowing it is selfish but still chooses to do it without self or other deception. Maybe I'm just an arsehole though.

>Automation is a thing and it will get progressively more advanced. I still think we will need the human element
We will admittedly need some human element, but it will likely be a lot smaller than it is now. Which is something I find worrying considering the population is generally increasing, all the while how many people we actually need for many tasks is decreasing (inb4 an economist friend mentions how in a pure and theoretical capitalist society there can never be enough labor)

>I'm also uncertain of how far robots will be able to go [or the] resources we need to make them work.
For the most part robots are actually quite efficient, and automation is usually lighter on resources than a lot of other methods of manufacture.

>robots don't bring in income when i am no longer able to provide for myself.
That's actually a good point, I had not considered that I was mostly thinking of a fully stocked retirement plan. My apologies.

>Even if basic jobs are replaced by robots, that's not the work i do
Out of curiosity, if you don't mind the question, may I ask what it is you do?

>>50569201

It really isn't. I understand that. People are complicated and relationships are hard. But i think it's worth it. I don't look down on anyone who thinks differently though. I didn't mean to imply that i do.

>>50567857
Will your players still have a game on the weeks you're not available? If not, then it isn't fair to deny them a regular game because of your personal responsibilities. I say hand the game over to someone else.

And congratulations on becoming a father.

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>>50569252
Eh, it's okay.
And i agree, people each think differently, decisions are weighed differently from person to person.
If you think it's worth it, then i would say go for it and good luck with it and may it turn out good for you in the end.

Where is the mom in all of this. How about the grandparents? You can't offload the kid for a few hours a week?

>>50569201
Dont worry mate, i know it sounds counterintuitive, but you can find someone to be solitary with?

There's someone out there with as little need for clinging closeness and nonstop pointless TALKING as you have.

Never lose hope that you'll find someone be there when you need them to, and to not be there when you need them to not be there.

>>50568005
If someone is going to become a parent, they owe it to their kid to be a good parent.
That said, a kid doesn't just eat up free time. Kids devour time, money, sleep, and sanity. Any parent not occasionally driven to the verge of madness, by even the sweetest kid, is a terrible parent whose kid is an absolute monster to everyone else.

>>50569110
>A human choosing to not replicate is as special and meaningful as a bacteria with a terminal mutation.
I disagree, a bacteria has no choice at all in the matter as it comes down to random mutations which determine everything. In the case of humans however any human being at all has the capability to choose not to propagate even if they were otherwise in every single way capable. Our sapience in this way does lend us an ability which is quite unique.

>The desire to not replicate is, to be frank, a trait that evolution -very- heavily selects against.
Which makes our ability to do things that are utterly against what would make sense for a programed organism all that more impressive.

>seriously though, bringing up a well-educated child from a western world will, probably, contribute a lot more to solving these problems than the alternative
But this isn't just a binary situation where there is an either or choice, we could work towards reducing the population growth in all areas if we were serious about it. I mean for instance having better access to contraceptives and education is one of the primary reasons the western world has a fairly good track record of not having huge population explosions like much of the underdeveloped world.

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>>50569319
Thanks for the kind words, but that ship sailed a long time ago
Hope is the first step on the road towards dissapointment.

>>50569295
That from bioshock? I don't remember that quote in game but that pic totally looks like Rapture and the Lighthouse.

>>50569378
it indeed is Bioshock
Can't remember who said the line though

>>50569378
Could be coming from objectivism in more general terms.

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>>50568782
The longer I live, the more I realize how inscrutable our own inner machinations are, and how utterly powerless we are against the undercurrents of the vast ocean on which we have been cast adrift.

Thinking about it is pointless, it is what it is, it could only ever happen as it happened, letting go is the only way to any kind of peace.

I'm still working on that last part myself, but little by little I feel things slipping away and one day there will be nothing left to let go of.

>>50569319
That's exactly the relationship I have. We're both introverts, and we like doing separate activities in the same room. It's more comfortable knowing someone is there. There's something to be said, when you feel like shit, in a waking fever dream and some blurry angel brings you OJ and puts on your favorite show. Humans are social, even the anti-social ones.

I've got single friends, and it's so sad how they live sometimes. You see a bunch of empty Hungry Man boxes, and it's like, someone get this man a home-cooked meal! A small touch of love goes a long way.

>>50569335
Well, the only reason we attribute the POWER OF FREE WILL to our own choices, and not say to our dog's choice of licking its own balls, is because of our, very human, perspective.

I guess, if you wanna compare a single human in a society to a cell, i guess not procreating would be analogous to apoptosis, good for the society as a whole. The difference is though, that other humans don't share our genes, the cells of our body does.

As for your second point, yeah, you could make that choice. Im just saying that life that decide not to procreate, very shortly, stops being life, and starts being dead.

As for your last point, i pretty much agree. Practically though, we would really be better off promoting birth control and education in africa, india and china than choosing to not procreate judically. The western world does not need to control its population, it's pretty much stable and sustainable, it sounds terribly racist, but it's true. If anything we need to limit our consumption of luxury goods. (Now that's something that would make a difference)

>>50569372
>>50569475
Jesus christ this thread got dark

There are always people who love you.

There is always time to fix things.

Giving up is always more painful than trying and failing

Depression is deadly and can be easily stopped by interacting with people. Even just saying hi to someone on the street can brighten your (and their) day.

It's hard, but it does get easier. You just gotta do it every day.

>>50569240

International business. I'm a translator. True we have programs for it, but they kinda suck and people like to do business with other people, so i figure i have job security for a while. And while i don't expect my children would go into the exact same field as me, i reckon they would find some manner of educated work. Even if that was just designing and programming all the robots.

>>50569240

For the record i don't trust retirement plans. Even though i do have one. In the event it proves insufficient i would like to have a safety net.

>>50569475
It's funny, but a thing that helped me lots was thinking of suicide contra death like a sort of Pascal's Wager.

The probabillity of things making sense and getting better if i should decide to check out early is = 0

The probability of things starting to make sense, me discovering the purpose of life, starting to feel better, or even finding a way to make my combover look halfway decent however miniscule is still <0

So, going by these odds, Nr.2 is allways the sure bet.

>>50569612

You, i like you.

>>50569612
woops, Meant to write: >0

(Please dont off yourself anon)

>>50567857
>he had sex with a girl

Gross

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>>50569546
I am interacting with people, although i still prefer just to be left alone.
I gave up a long time ago, it actually makes it easier to get through days when i don't give a damn about most things.

Just me and my thoughts

>>50569650

What do you think about anon?

>>50569475
The way I see things, it's a question of having the right fuel to propel you onward. Desires, beliefs, drudges. In the end they all burn the same and if you can attune to yours it will carry you through no matter what. It doesn't matter if you can't control all fine filaments of your own function, just steer the general direction and enjoy the ride.

>>50569495
Don't get me wrong, I'm not preaching free will (actually I'm a hard determinist). I'm just pointing out how humans are built we have so much extra complexity we are much less bound by the machinations of evolution, and instead by worlds of ideas, data and symbols which we have created for ourselves. That is why humans are relatively speaking special compared to other life on this planet.

>The difference is though, that other humans don't share our genes, the cells of our body does.
They don't share the exact genes, but the human species is all very closely related, from a evolutionary perspective the species wide super organism is more important than the individual (this what the selfish gene theory was based upon). To think of this better, imagine the first cell colonies that started growing in biofilms (or whatever the leading theory for multi cellular life's strt is). Even if they didn't share the exact same genes, eventually they did get to the point of sharing a body and not multiplying wildly for the benefit of the whole based on evolutionary pressures.

>Im just saying that life that decide not to procreate, very shortly, stops being life, and starts being dead.
Fair enough.

>the western world does not need to control its population, it's pretty much stable and sustainable,
While the stable and sustainable is true, In my personal view I do think that we likely would be better off reducing population in all parts of the world if possible 7+ billion is already a little over the comfort zone. Ideally if we could slowly reduce the population in a controlled manner I think that those in the future would be that much better off.

>If anything we need to limit our consumption of luxury goods.
Unfortunately too many of the luxuries have become things people are accustomed to, and to compound that problem people in up and coming countries are wanting to adopt our levels of luxury consumption. Honestly I don't know what to do about that problem.

>>50569637
Sex is the most traditional game there is

>>50569637
>implying the child is his

>>50569612
I like the simplicity of saying that suicide is permanent solution for your temporary problems.
Unless you're Buddhist, then it's the other way around.

>>50569650
Indifference is allways easier.

Fighting the enevitable is... It's life? It's basically what life is ALL ABOUT, one more day, one more meal, one more breath.

Life is fighting. Giving up is Death.

Sometimes you're fighting yourself, and your urge to just not give a shit. That's one of the hardest fights there is.

It's an honorable fight. You are honorable anon. And you haven't offed yourself yet.
And that means you are still fighting! And as long as you fight you have a chance to win!

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>>50569650
You sure you don't need a friend, anon?

>>50568782
Life sucks.
But I don't care.

Every day I wake up thinking "Is today the day? Will I finally have the guts to end my meaningless life?". And every day I answer to myself "Fuck off, cunt."
Despite how shitty, boring and depressing life is, I refuse to go down easily.

When life gives you lemons, you threaten it at the gunpoint until it gives you its credit card numbers, PIN codes and property deeds.

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>>50569656
Well, it usually starts with the weather, but Life mostly.
What's the next book im going to read?
the next game im going to play?
the next piece of music to listen to?
the daily dose of suicidal thoughts
and more simpler thoughts that can distract me from worse thoughts

You know i have never once considered suicide. I didn't realize it so many people did....

>>50567857
I'd say go on Hiatus until the kid becomes more manageable and then start playing infrequently and up the frequency if you can

>>50569731

I see. That's not all to different from what i think about honestly. Though mine also includes finding a nice Korean girl and upcoming work stuff and excludes the suicidal thoughts.

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>>50569694
More or less forgotten what friends are desu
The people that i interact daily don't talk to me and have quite different interest, plus the drink, i hate drinking.

I just carry on with life regardless.

>>50569675
(Disclaimer: At this point we pretty much agree, im just enjoying the debate)

A steady population decline is ideal, yeah. (Even, eventually, in the western world)

The actual question is whether or not a new child in the western world will eventually, through hard work offset more of the problem (Readily available ressources per capita) than it creates.
And i think any child born to parents smart enough to realize the need for self imposed population control will be, through a combination of upbringing and external stimulus from a modern education in a western society.

At least for the foreseeable future.

>>50569789

I hate drinking as well anon. I'm sure you can find people with similar interests. Look for people who like the same books and music as you, or since you browse /tg/ presumably you like some manner of game. Go to the local gamestore for it and talk shop.

>>50569731
What's your adress anon? I wanna send you some books. What kind of games do you like?

[My mail is: [email protected]]

>>50569747
It's bizarre. Nothing beats being alive. If I could, I'd live forever.

>>50569577
Fair points, translation in general probably won't get automated any time soon due to the nuances involved in doing complex works, though I wouldn't be surprised if in the next ten years you started to see stuff like legal documents (where format is standardized), and nonessential translations start being partially done by programs.

>I reckon they would find some manner of educated work. Even if that was just designing and programming all the robots.
Completely fair. The real problem is all the people who won't have access to education and educated work, that's what's worrying in my mind about this whole thing.

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>>50569688
So in the end, the worst enemy is myself ?
That's somehow pretty fucking ironic, but somehow also funny

>>50569818
Gamestores went mostly out of buisness in my country m8, most tabletops are dead here, hence why i spend alot of time on /tg

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>>50569789
If you act like a wounded animal it's only going to make people want to take care of you even harder.

>>50568559

>The world is overpopulated meme

Not for first world whites it isn't.

>>50567857
OP, if you're still reading this thread, I suggest you do both. Cut down on the frequency of your game, and have one of your other players run a separate game in the time between.

Alternatively, move the story towards a conclusion so you can just be a reoccuring guest player.

>>50569892
>So in the end, the worst enemy is myself ?
Unless you're some 3rd world impoverished cripple, the chances are your biggest restrain are your own habits and inhibitions, yes.

>>50569861

Well yes, life does suck for those without access to education, and it will continue to suck for them, but i don't know that there is anything much i can do about that. And just because life sucks for them doesn't mean i should not try to live my life as well as i can, nor that i should not give every advantage i can to my theoretical children. like i said, i'm a selfish bastard. I care about me, and i care about mine. So long as my kin get along alright i don't really feel all that bad knowing people i have never met and likely will never meet are suffering. I mean i give to charity, but honestly i recognize that is more to sooth my conscience than anything.

You know normally i like to be a bit more optimistic and idealistic about things, but you've really managed to bring out my inner cynic, and i've made some uncomfortable realizations. I kinda hate myself a little bit now.

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>>50569843
[email protected]
Video games or Tabletop?

>>50569917
Well shit son, im sorry, im just explaining it as it is

>>50569662
>having the right fuel to propel you onward. Desires, beliefs, drudges
I dont really have that though I just kind of exist

>>50569943
You're being protective. That's what being a dad is all about, providing and protecting for you and your kin.

Dont hate yourself, it's an instinct that has served humanity well for thousands of years and will serve you and your child well too.

>>50569957
Nothing you want? Nobody you hate?
If somebody gave you an order, what would you? Obey it because it's the only direction you have? Or refuse because you don't care about repercussions?

>>50569802
>The actual question is whether or not a new child in the western world will eventually, through hard work offset more of the problem (Readily available ressources per capita) than it creates.
>And i think any child born to parents smart enough to realize the need for self imposed population control will be, through a combination of upbringing and external stimulus from a modern education in a western society.
Well I suppose there's a fairly reasonable chance of that assuming we are talking about non-finite resources, so you won't hear any arguments from me.

>>50569943
True, I was more stating it as a fact rather than something you or I would have much direct effect on so don't worry about it too much.

>>50569945
Mailed ya!

>>50567857
Focus on the kid and hand off the game/have someone else start a game. You'll probably not have the time to game for at least a few months and that's okay you have a kid now. Be an awesome dad and support and love you child. Do what needs to be done to make them happy and their lives better. But remember the end of that Calvin comic. His dad goes out to play with him. Remember to have fun too, especially with your kid.

>>50567874
>Life revolves around me, the post
If you're going to bitch about how human life is inherently meaningless, and you really want to reduce the amount of people on the planet, please fucking start with yourself.
You've obviously wasted more of the earth's resources than any child of OP's, in that case, and I'd rather gamble on his kid than spend more money on you.
That sounds abrasive and selfish too, right? Because it's the exact mindset people like you bring to discussions like this. So deal with the fact that other people have children or get the fuck off.

>>50570064
And in 13 years time you can run the kid through Tomb of Horrors if he doesn't do his homework.

>>50570105
With his favorite character no less.

>>50570119
Goddamn that's borderline child abuse,

>>50570105
>>50570119

Weekly family game night where how much the gm fucks with your characters depends on how well you did in school and if you are listening to your parents?

>>50568005
>propagating your lineage
I can understand wanting to have kids around, wanting to share your knowledge and shit like that, but propagating your lineage? How the fuck does that have value at all?

>>50570201

If you don't get it i don't know that i can explain it to you. I could try to find logical reasons, i'm sure they exist, but more than anything it's just a desire. All logic aside i want it, i feel i need it, and even if it is for no other reason than those emotional factors i will pursue it.

>>50570201
The kwisatz haderach is the result of thousands of years of careful eugenics, you have no comprehension!

>>50568753
>selfish bastard
This is my reason to not have kids though, there are several studies of how having kids makes people less happy and more stressed, when I'm old my life won't be very good anyway so having it a bit worse since I don't have kids doesn't matter much. I'd rather that than waste 20 years of some of my best years providing and taking care of a child.

>>50570201
It's an animal thing.

I have two little ones under age 3 and I run a weekly game. Its important to have a me time even with kids. Don't quit your life because you have kids. We play every Sunday night at my house in the basement for 4 hrs.

>>50568782
Seek therapy
Friends can help with depression, they did for me
LSD/shrooms recommended, though it's not for everyone.

>>50570282

In my experience i look at the people i know who had kids, and the people i know who didn't. Most of the ones who had kids did something with their lives. Most who didn't just kinda wasted away doing things that honestly don't matter. While the childless may profess to be 'happier', from what i've seen the family man is more fulfilled and content with his life. Just based purely on my own experience i believe that i will be happier with a family than i would without. Maybe there are studies that contradict this, but honestly i don't believe everything i see in studies. Data is all to easy to manipulate.

>>50570281
More precisely result of thousands of years of careful eugenics and then one floozy who could not keep it in her pants and recklessly put the whole millennia of planning at risk for the pleasure of getting cummed inside but by some bizarre twist of fate and copious amounts of drugs actually completed it accidentally.

>>50570340

It really makes you think doesn't it?

>>50569475
>>50568782
https://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/4whrnx/i_did_so_much_acid_i_almost_died/
This is also pretty cool, I'd try to recreate this if I was ready to kill myself/had nothing left to live for.

>>50570350
I really want to believe that "do drugs, cum inside, everything will turn out allllright" is the message we should be getting here, but somehow I'm not fully convinced.

>>50570510

That....is not the response i expected to my joke post. Congratulations. You made me laugh.

OP, I've been in your shoes and so I'll give you my advice.
If your players don't suck and they're good friends, they'll understand. For the first few months, you're going to be out of commission.
Once your baby is a month or two old, you can schedule surprisingly long sessions during your baby's naps. You can DM while feeding a baby, if you're not terribly animated or loud (this was the problem my players had. They didn't mind the tiny human, they were just loud themselves). It's easier to game at your house, but provided you have a mellow baby (like my daughter was) you can bring them with you.
Once they start crawling, you're pretty much SOL until they're about two, at which point they'll play by themselves. Once they're about three they'll want to hang out with you all the time, it's about there I introduced my daughter to tabletop gaming.

In reality, your significant other should understand that you have hobbies as well, I know my wife didn't mind keeping the baby without me for a few hours on the weekend. The flip side, your players need to understand that you now have a dependant, and need to be okay with you being less available. One of my group was being a dick about it behind my back and the other players told him to shove off or shut up, since nobody else wanted to run a game.

>>50570000
>Nothing you want
Nothing attainable, I'd like not to be like this but that's not something you can just go out and get.

>No one you hate
No one specific to focus hatred on.

>If someone gave you an order what would you do
Probably nothing, I mean why would I care either way?

>>50570700

well i can't speak to your emotional state, but if there are facets of your existence you don't like you can work to change them. It takes time and effort, but change is possible.

>>50570755
I am what I was made to be, being otherwise is impossible. Aspiring to be what you are not only brings more pain. Renunciation of that desire is a step on the road to enlightenment.

>>50570673
>your significant other
Not exactly in the cards, dude. This came about due to decidedly unChristian events. Great comment otherwise. Thanks for the help.

>>50570138
Well of course it's not perma-death. Unless he really screwed up at school.
>>50570152
I've heard worse ideas for parenting.

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>>50568782
>And when I look at this, at the legacy of my life so far, I don't know wether to feel despair, rage, or just exasperated annoyance, for the disappointment is only rivaled by the boredom

I know exactly how you feel. When in the middle of argueing with yourself I the mirror, you stop and realize "This is probably at least the 20th time I've had this exact discussion".

And then as you Start and notice more and more how your internal arguements and rants have become trivialized and are now just another part of your humdrum routine, you just get bored and tired of life.

But not tired of life in the "I'm sick of this pain" kind of way but more so "this shit stopped being entertaining a while ago and now it's just annoying". Just stuck in a state of perpetual boredom as your anger and distress cools into annoyance.

>>50568559
>The overpopulation meme
Kek

>>50567993
>hand it over
The baby?

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>>50571193
>"this shit stopped being entertaining a while ago and now it's just annoying". Just stuck in a state of perpetual boredom as your anger and distress cools into annoyance
Yeah...

>>50571065
So wait, you're gonna raise a kid by yourself? Well in that case you can REALLY say good bye to your free time!

>>50572158
I have no idea what's going to happen. The mother and I are not in a relationship. I'm assuming some joint custody arrangement will be reached, but right now we're scrambling.

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>>50567857
Have one last marathon game to end the entire campaign with. Hold nothing back. The Dark Lord finally invades, the World Serpent awakens, all the PCs' end-goals are finally within reach.

Then you hand over power to someone who wants it (and wants it badly). Be a good dad. Teach your kid properly. Introduce them to the hobby one day if they would like it. Grow old. Die in a way that your child relates to /tg/ in an amusing greentext.

Start now. That shit takes planning. Pic related if you pull it all off.

>>50568140
As a dad, this.

>>50570201
>Doesn't understand the importance of lineage.

Lmao, get a load of this red blooded PLEB. Best return to the fields peasant, us Blue Bloods got to create your future rulers.

>children

Back when I was 14 I told my dad that I didn't want to have kids when I grew up and my dad told me that only lesbians don't kids, so I decided right then and there "okay, I guess I'm a lesbian now"

Best decision of my life, I tell you. Never looked back.

>>50568331
>I hadn't planned on being a responsible adult for another 10 years.
What happened?

>>50573173
See OP for more information

>>50573225
No, I get that he's having a kid, what I mean is, why is he having a kid ten years earlier than he'd expected/planned?

>>50573251
I didn't plan on having a kid at all. I was hoping to be a carefree arrested adolescent for another ten years. Then I got someone pregnant.

>>50567857
Cut it down in frequency. If you want to give it up later, if your kid turns out to take up a lot more of your time than you expect, you can. But you can try to work this thing that I assume has been a fair portion of your life into your life after being a dad.

I know I'm far too young for any sort of sagely wisdom, but as much as I'd love to have free time forever, I really wonder if I'll want to keep doing this decades down the line, when I'm bitter and jaded now and likely wouldn't care for anything then. But I also don't know if focusing on a family would really be a 'cure' for that, so to speak.

>>50567857
Talk to your players and not us you retard

>>50573267
I'm sorry.

Try to make the most of it, if you can. I'd do anything to be able to have kids.

>>50573315
Wizard/apprentice or are you shootin' blanks?

>>50573349
I'm barren. Child abuse yadda yadda severe organ damage.

There's always adoption, but it's just, like, I wanted to WANT to adopt, not have to.

>>50573394
Shit sucks senpai.

But hey, if you think about it, if you adopt a kid you'ld be giving them a better life then they would have had otherwise and adding a little happiness to this world.

At least, so long as they don't turnout like >>50568782 and some of the other's in this thread.

>>50569892
What country do you live in?

>>50573480
Except I'm also not sure if I'm cut out to be a mom. I've got all kinds of anxiety disorders and depression and stuff that's just barely under control.

Back when I was still going to church, there was a lady who had to go off her medication for her bipolar disorder during her pregnancy for the sake of the baby, and she wound up committing suicide by suffocating herself inside her car.

I'm terrified that I'll do something like that. I'll slip up and do something that hurts or endangers my child.

I dunno. Sorry for venting.

>>50567857
>now that I'm about to become a dad
He says as he fork-filettes the condom.

ITT: Tips for insemination

>>50567857
Try training a new DM on something new or extra/omake of your campaign that you may retcon in. Continue that way, switch to new DM, or lower frequency.

>>50567857
>Now that I'm about to become a dad I have to seriously cut back on the gaming time.
>What do?

ALTERNATIVES
>hoist it all on the mum
>put it up for adoption
>let the kid die

If you can keep up a monthly meeting do that, if not give it away.

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>>50567857
>>50567987

Except I gave up gaming years ago and only started playing again because my kid showed interest in it when we found my old stuff in my parents attic. I've played more Magic, board games, and D&D with my nine year old in the past year than I did in the previous two decades combined. I've never had more fun playing either.

>>50574774
This. For some reason the people on this board forget that these games are literally made for children. PLAY THEM WITH YOUR FUCKIN KID WHEN THEY GET OLD ENOUGH AND UNTIL THEN TAKE CARE OF YOUR FUCKIN KID AND FORGET THE GAMES AND GET A GODDAMN JOB AND YOU BETTER FIX THAT FUCKIN MOLD PROBLEM IN YOUR GAMING ROOM BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE KID LIVES NOW YOU FUCKIN DUMBASS. To paraphrase my father.

>>50574824
But there's no guarantee your kid will enjoy your old stuff.

>>50575077
There is if you aren't a shit parent. Even more of a reason to be a good parent.

>>50567857
You could change your GM style to more of an improv-style, and cut back heavily on your prep-time. Game might suffer at first for a bit, but once you get used to it and learn the tricks of the improv-GM-trade, it can be largely the same with a much smaller time-investment.

>>50575098
I'm just saying that your kids might have different interests than you. My dad got most of the kids playing Magic when we were younger, but I only ever played it casually, and didn't get into other /tg/-related things until high school. And my other siblings, despite going through the same sort of gentle encouragement, focused on other activities and hobbies.

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>>50568782
I'm a chronically depressed anon speaking right here.

That feeling will never go away, it doesn't matter what drugs or therapy you seek. That darkness will always plague you, it will always be a weight strapped to your back. You are NOT normal, and you will NEVER have a normal life because of it. But it's your choice to let that weight pin you to the ground and slowly crush you, or to lift it aloft like Atlas and carry it through life. The greater the burden, the greater the glory.

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>>50575942
Additionally, meds are useless and a scam for the most part. If they actually do work, then they simply cause something else to go horribly wrong. I know it's hard as they look like a wunder cure, but they aren't, and the only thing that is going to let you get through life is simply to keep going forward. I keep falling into that trap of thinking that drugs cure all, but they don't, and often they cause more misery than aid. The idea that family will help is a bit of a laugh too, family will hopefully act as a safety net and catch you, but they will never really understand what you are going through unless they too suffer from it.

The most important thing is a cause. You need something to focus on, like a rope that you latch onto that drags you out of quicksand. Something that's so important to you it doesn't matter how apathetic you are, because you'll still do what needs to be done. For some people that's a love, others it's religion. I currently have neither, so I focus on my pets to get me through.

>>50567857
the second one, shelve it, bring it out again later when the kid is old enough to play in his room/ your wife lets you go out once a week again

>>50568603
>invest fuck loads of cash in the hope for some companionship and maybe some shitty fincial aid down the line

How about I just invest in index funds instead?

>>50568005
Look at this fag that doesn't know that humans will get life extensions in this century

>>50574824
>AND YOU BETTER FIX THAT FUCKIN MOLD PROBLEM IN YOUR GAMING ROOM

Anon, the floor boards are just a bit soft, but the kids aren't particularily heavy, so they're in no real danger.

>>50568005
Not really. I have you sons of bitches

>>50568782
Wow. That's a bleak as fuck outlook on life: I fucking love it

>>50570358
>linking to reddit
kys

Congratulations. My advice is pass of the campaign to the most capable of your group. In a couple years when the kid doesn't need constant following and you can get away for a couple hours every week or so, then you could come back to it. For now, the child has to be your priorities 1-10.

>>50568005
>go back to /his/, von habsburg

>>50576350
Yes but over time as he or she grows up your kid's going to get heavier and the flower boards going to get softer.

Best to fix it before it becomes a real problem..

>>50577330
>never will all of the globe be your lineage's subject

>>50568767
>Every small victory for him is like the biggest victory to me.
So your own victories were dissapointing?

>>50568960
Yeah, I mean you could just not be a lover and provide for yourself in your old age.

>>50570963
Just keep on, Mr. Roboto Anon. Maybe one day you'll learn how to feel again.

>>50567857
I have two kids and I GM weekly. You will just have to manage your prep time more effectively and improvise more. Which shouldn't be too hard since it seems like you have well established campaign going already

This is one of the worst /tg/ threads I have ever seen

>>50569945
You don't happen to be a swede do you?

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>>50570261
I get you Anon. The feeling is just there. I want children - my own children, and i want to care for them, give them a future where they can be as good as they possibly can, and i wish to see someone i molded into who they are, carrying half of ME, grow into a person i can be proud of.

It's odd.

>>50571065
>Not getting a chemical abortion

Literally why. It's the simplest thing ever.

>Miss period
>Oh shit
>Panic
>Pregnancy test
>Realize you're pregnant
>Get a chemical abortion because raising kids in a totally split up home when neither of you are fiscally or mentally ready for a child

Are you either

>Religious

or is it because you can't get a abortion?

>>50584569
Only one of the worst? Damn it, I know we can do better, we can be the worst /tg/ thread you ever seen if we try. Who's with me!?

>>50584569
If this is the worst you've seen then you obviously haven't been here that long.

>>50567857
Can we all just agree that having kids is a personal decision and that there's neither decision is right or wrong?

>>50567857
cut down on frequency and see if one of them has something they want to gm.

>>50568782
I feel the same anon. I fill the void with as much autistic shit as possible.

>>50584569
You weren't here for the Dungeon World threads.