EDH/Commander General

>>50511073
I have a friend who plays card games online. I've asked him if he would like to play magic, and he says he doesn't want to because of the time and money investment, so I was thinking of buying him a slightly tuned up pre-con for Christmas. Alternatively, I'm an experienced deckbuilder so I could build it from ground up, but I don't want to spend too much money on it or it will make things weird

Anyway he might not accept the deck as a gift, so I might have to keep it for myself. Which deck should I get? Needs to be cheap to tune up, doesn't have to be too high-power but it should still win occasionally. It also has to be fun and straightforward. Meren is an obvious option but he's overplayed so please not him.

>>50511115
I had a similar experience with a friend of mine, I chose Zada, Hedron Grinder. He actually flies under the radar a lot, but can explode out if left alone. He's incredibly straight forward, and he was >50 for the initial cards. Most of his stronger choices are cheap too, unless you want to go super crazy with things like blood moon and the like. I don't know what type of playstyle your friend, or you favor, but Zada has been a blast and since my friend moved away I ended up buying the deck for myself and it's one of my favorites.

>>50511159
>I don't know what type of playstyle your friend

Yeah I was just trying to stalk his Shadowverse profile to check what kind of stuff he plays lmao

Zada isn't a bad option but I think I might go for something a bit more stable, kind of like alesha hatebears or something like that. I don't know if mono-red is a good way to enter the format since he will have to play against UG degeneracy

edric flying men would be an option if it wasn't for the fact that he won't know what spells are worth counterspelling and so on

>>50511204
Kruphix ramp then? He doesn't need to counter stuff, just stick some way to hexproof Kruphix and go to town with big mana and big spells

>>50511204
Fair enough, I'm not personally a fan of hate bears, but that's because in my playgroup it seems to slow the game down a decent amount.

>Hatebear player gimps everyone else
>Starts working towards his win con
>One of the other 3 stops him and we begin pushing forward
>He plays a hatebear and pushes us all back to start with him as he tries again

I don't hate the playstyle, and I can actually see how it could be a lot of fun to play a deck that slows everyone down but yourself, I just can't seem to get into it personally so I can't offer much in the way of advice for that.

And in regards to the knowing what to counter thing, the best way for him to learn is to play and figure it out. Alternatively if he does accept the deck you can just play a few rounds with him and talk about some of the common moves in EDH to look out for.

Maybe Glissa the Traitor? She's fairly easy to learn the game with, and she has a pretty fun combo type commander.

>>50511326
oh oops by hatebears i meant "cute 2-4 mana creatures that do something funny when they etb"

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>Festering Goblin is a Goblin Zombie
>There is not a single Human Zombie, even though the overwhelming majority of zombies used to be humans before they became undead
What a blunder. I hope they fired someone for this.

>>50511073
But scrambleverse and Thieves' Auction and such fall into "lol XD randumb"-category which only retarded ebin memesters play, and literally in the same group as grouphug players.
Enlightenment means that you realize that the only fun is not letting your opponents to play anything, because they have no mana, hands or permanents.

>>50511115
I'd recommend just buying one of the new precons that you would be interested in and have him play it out of the box.

If he doesn't like it you can just keep it for whatever you wanted it for, if he does like it, you can just buy another one.

The current ones are surprisingly powerful & fun to play even against somewhat tuned decks.
I've been keeping a sleeved up precon with me to use against low powered groups or for someone to borrow.

>>50511115

If you want a budget deck you kind of have to go 1 or 2 colors. And if you go 2 colors, ideally you deck should have more of a early ramp/midrange strategy so you're not mana screwed by budget dual lands.

The general opinion is that Daretti and Meren are the two best Commander pre-cons, and they both meet the criteria established above. The UG Ezuri one is also alright.

Meren is a cool/popular/flexible commander, and BG is a good color identity. I would go for her pre-con deck and then buy some cheap staple fatties to fill it out.

>>50511855
>>Enlightenment means that you realize that the only fun is not letting your opponents to play anything, because they have no mana, hands or permanents.

no, young one. what you are describing is the penultimate step before reaching enlightenment. by making your opponents lose their mana, hand and permanents means they are losing, and that is not true meaning of EDH. instead, true meaning is making everyone involved lose, not just you. that means tutoring and casting scrambleverse, resolving it for half an hour, then recurring it with archeomancer and casting it again and again until your group realizes that this is all there is. just scrambleverse, being resolved again and again. the outcome of the game becomes irrelevant, but everyone loses.

>>50511904
>>50511115

Oh, and if you want mono color options, Krenko/Grenzo/Purphoros Gobbos and Yisan/Ezuri Elfball are very viable strategies, and not too expensive to build, all things considered.

>>50511073
>Do you intentionally power down your decks for your group?

no i just play worse / "miss" lethal

>>50511945
>Ezuri Elfball
yeah i've been looking at tribals a lot since they're very straightforward and intuitive. no weird fuckery, just create a billion beaters and smash face. i'm just afraid monogreen might be boring to play, but that's just a gut feeling.

i tried theorycrafting a zombie tribal deck but sadly a lot of the zombo lords and stuff are 5-10 bucks so that's not an option. would make a really fun deck though. i've also been thinking of a sigarda human tribal but no idea how that would work

>Krenko/Grenzo/Purphoros Gobbos
i know from experience that this is not really the correct way to start playing EDH. krenko basically just sees the first 5 turns of an EDH game, purphorous gets hated out and grenzo, havoc raiser is just in wrong colors for his gimmick. I tried to make a grenzo deck earlier but it just didn't work well enough for me to be happy with it

>>50511948
i've actually been doing that but i end up regretting it because then one of my opponents might end up ass pulling some memetastic win and then i just feel sad that i didn't smash them up when i had the chance

>>50511942
But I want to have fun too, not to numb my mind. I want to have everyone else not to do anything just so I can also not do anything but to prolong the game to infinity and prevent everyone from dying, and shuffling hands and grave back to library when they are close to decking themselves.
I don't want scrambleverse-world, I want to push everyone to purgatory and drag them back just when all of their sins are burned away.

>>50511073
>Do you intentionally power down your decks for your group?

I'll take out certain cards like mass land destruction or stupid infinite combos, but even that's just so I last longer at the table and can politic my way into more wins.

The best solution to the "I have better cards than my friends" is a clone/steal/copy deck, where you just win with whatever your opponent does. It also lets you run a good amount of countermagic to make sure everyone is playing fair.

>>50511996
>But I want to have fun too

then you are but a child

most fun shenanigans commander to make everyone want to murder suicide?

>>50512096
holy fuck i'm writing like a fucking schizophrenic, i need to rewrite my post

>>50511073
>Do you intentionally power down your decks for your group?

funnily enough, i used to think limiting your budget is a good way to limit your power level when it comes to deckbuilding. turns out that isn't really the case. my friends play expensive goodstuff while i play cheapo mega-synergy secret tech, yet i'm the archenemy every game.

my decks don't even run infinite combos, stax or anything like that. my group just gets out-valued.

interestingly enough, they still call me a retard when i give out my value assessments on specific cards, like when i called black market bad and slow

thing is, i can't even really power down my decks at this point. my group is already traumatized and will aggro me down regardless whether i'm playing something powerful or not. so now i'm stuck playing pseudo 1v3 nearly every game

>>50511115
Build a monoblack goodstuff deck. You can throw it together super cheap, a lot of the best cards synergize with other playstyles, and it's generally pretty fun to pilot. Just grab t2 cheaper things like dictate of erebos and butcher of malakir instead of grave pact, run a fuckload of token producers like ophiomancer and endrek, and throw in some giant splashy black creatures for reanimator. I run a more tuned version of this deck with Volrath at the helm, and if you cut pact/demonic tutor/top/massacre wurm/kokshun falls, the deck is like 60 bucks.

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>look at a deck primer online
>"Elvish Archdruid"
>"Dwynen, Gilt-Leaf Daen (foil)"

why is it important to notify people which cards you own are foils and which are not

>>50512228
it's useful if you're trying to foil out a deck ad want to use it as a checklist

>>50512228
You might have a super cool foil you're proud of. I have a alternate art foil archfiend of depravity, and it's one of my favorite cards, despite being like a buck.

>>50511996
>wanting to have fun in EDH

You've got a long mountain to climb. Start with trying to get possibility storm and grip of chaos out at the same time and go from there. Enlightenment will come.

>>50512179
oh I know how strong a cheap monoblack can be, but sadly I just made one for me so it'd suck if I had to keep it for myself

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guys i just put together a surrak, hunt caller deck on cockatrice
haste in monogreen is incredible, can't believe he's 50c
i kinda want to build it irl, but have almost none of the cards required
what do?

>>50512284
i have the same alt art, but really i prefer the stock art
pic related i quite like it
>the light shining through the membrane of wings
>darkness contrast
>huge wings itty bitty body
>best flavor text

Is there a way of making Progenitus unique? I have a foil one and I thought about making it but I just can't think of anything but voltron with anthem effects.

>>50511942
In a game I was in, the Group Hug player cast Warpworld and made two copies of it.

I made a third because why the fuck not?

Is that close to Enlightenment?

I have 2 green land sources and a simic signet and a mother of runes on board.

Can I cast chord of calling where X is 1

How fun is Toshiro Umezawa? He looks neat, but I've never tried mono black before.

>>50513224
can you generate 3 G mana/tap a green creature to help pay for the green cost in Chord of Calling?

no

>>50513276
Gonti is better

>>50511801
why is this?

>>50512367
Monogreen can also be built decently for pretty cheap. I just yesterday convinced someone to build Yeva because you can get a ton of value eithout much investment.

>>50513066
If you've got the money for the manabase, I do the "cycles" route.

Use all the titans (minus primetime), all the bringers, all the gearhulks, a bunch of cards that benefit from multiple land types and mana spent from multiple colors, some fun infinite combos, lots of tutors and generic goodstuff and the rest is rocks and ramp.

5 color is so slim to be honest when it comes to deck idea, imo

>>50512010
>>50512305
But my fun is proportional on making my opponents have less fun.
I enjoy each game more the less my opponents do. Orgasm for every tear of frustration.
I have to change my underwear pretty often if I forget to wear a condom during games.

>>50513399
But I want to play my own deck, not someone else's.

>>50513399
But Gonti deck is not even closely similar compared to Mr. Chaingun

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>>50513614
you are still on level 2 of edh deckbuilding then. you are motivated by your pursuit of fun, not by the pursuit of unfun like a true level 4 deckbuilder. perhaps in time you will reach level 3 and onward

>>50513488
I'm both the volrath anon and the one whose building yeva. The thing about monogreen is that removal is a little weird. Enchantments and artifacts are easy, but cheap green decks are often very combat-centric and unless you're fighting, you won't be able to remove non-blocker threats very easily. The other issue is card draw. A lot of cheap card draw costs 3-6cmc, or is enchantment/etb based, which means you can run out of gas early if you get the wrong hand.

>>50513752
Nah, man. I lately have been designed my decks simply to make the game as infuriating and as difficult for others as possible. My fun is simply a by-product.

>>50511073
Is the best way to resolve scrambleverse to just collect all the permanents, shuffle them together, then deal the cards out 1 at a time to each player?

>>50514344
Unfortunately, no.

With scrambleverse there is a nonzero chance of one player getting every permanent affected or that the permanents would be distributed in some other unbalanced way, so if you wanted to actually do the effect properly you would have to do it as written

>testing a deck worth literally 30 dollars on xmage
>host a casual game
>guy joins with breya and plays 2 og dual lands on first 2 turns
>me: "those don't seem very casual"
>"my deck is casual it would just be very slow without them"
>me: "if you're worried about speed then it is not a casual deck"
>"it's slow"
>next turn he plays a mana crypt and daretti

wow man

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>>50511073
>Do you intentionally power down your decks for your group?

Hell no, why should I have to make my decks weaker when my playgroup could just improve? I always offer to help them when it comes to deck building but they would rather just bitch.

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who here /enlightened/?

>>50514555
Trips are the true path to enlightenment.

Also fuck Confusion In the Ranks, the embodiment of how retarded red can be.

>>50513757

To kill creatures in green use fight spells

>>50514462

I don't see the problem here

You're deck isn't casual it's trash, you should've hosted a trash only game so people knew not to join if their deck was playable

>>50514769
beat me in a 1v1 if you're so great

>>50514811

After I'm done 1v1ing your mother

>>50514769
Ow the edge. People like you give spikes a bad name.

>>50513757
There's a few options at 2 like explore, elvish visionary, that new one that draws a card and draws one for every creature that blocks you so it scales well, bind is situational secret tech. Removal is admittedly limited but you've got beast within and song of dryads, ambush viper is basically destroy target attackinh creature without flying.

>>50514747
That's literally what I said. Mechanically, fight isn't as good as regular removal for a variety of reasons, but it should be fine for a budget casual deck.

>>50514811
>>50514769
>>50514829
>tfw I build budget decks tuned for 1v1 that are absolutely overwhelming if you aren't prepared
>that other feel when I frequently make more expensive decks cry for 1/10th the budget

WHY DO THEY LET BUGGERS PLABEN

>>50514875

It's not even about budget or casualness, you take what your color can get and ride that color's strengths

You don't need the best creature removal when you have the best ramp and crazy card draw and recursion all in one color

Fight removal is good anyway, it's not like you have any chance of winning a game where your opponents creatures are bigger than yours AND you need removal for one of them that isnt attacking. Fight works perfectly within mono green's gameplan

>>50513752
So how would I achieve the top level? I'm assuming something along the lines of Mishra?

>>50512994
buy the singles online, you dork.

>>50514769

>budget is trash hur hur
no, dumbass, some people want to be able to buy the decks we make online instead of spending 3k on a pile that can win on turn 3 consistently.

>>50515063

>can't win turn 3 consistently

Deck is trash

Anyone got any card suggestions?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/zada-goblin-explosion/
deck is pretty casual

>>50515108
>year of our god emperor trump 2016
>still level 1


LOL

>>50514927
What? Have you ever built a green deck? You have situational draw power, with things like elemental bond and hunters prowess, but you don't really have anything like night's whisper, ponder, or faithless looting. Harmonize is probably your best bet other than various cantripping multipurpose things, but it's still 4 mana.

Ramp can be supplemented in any mono colour decks with artifacts because you don't need to worry as much about devotion, and while tempo acceleration is both easy and cheap in green, you need to get those cards out and have things to suck up mana.

This is why fight is a bad mechanic. You get your fuckhuge dump truck to fight something easier, only to have it immediately blow up. As far as I'm aware there are very few things that let you fight without using a card from your hand and also putting a creature in the danger zone if you're swinging with it.

Like I said, I love green, but it has some pretty obvious weaknesses that are difficult to overcome in one colour. Steel hellkite and smokestack with tokens is usually how I deal with bullshit, but that's hardly going over well its casual environment.

>>50513752
Grip of Chaos, Possibility Storm, Ink-Treader Nephilim, and playing on Glimmervoid Basin plane is the true apex of enlightenment.

>>50515410

Green doesn't have as good of cheap draw 1-3 as other color's but it has powerful splashy draw spells like regal force and shamanic rev, and draw engines like soul of the harvest and elemental bond as you mentioned

I don't really understand your complaint against fight, green doesn't need to remove every vaguely threatening creature to win, only the few that are throwing a wrench in its plans, like killing a consecrated Sphinx so the blue player doesn't draw too many and take over the game

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>>50514555
>checked
How about adding this one to the mix to make more triggers of Confusion in the Ranks?

>>50511073
>Do you intentionally power down your decks for your group?
I have a pair of designated shitty decks that I can pull out when people are using precons/first draft builds.

>>50512228
What's the point of having a foiled out pimp deck if the entire world doesn't know about it?

>>50511115
Meren really is the correct answer, but what about U/G Ezuri? You'll have to pass on some the unfair U/G staples, but all the deck really needs is a bunch of cheap ETB dorks and some infect creatures. Azami can also be pretty good on a budget.

Satisfying play:

Five player game. I'm running Niv-Mizzet but drawing shit - plenty of mana, no draw spells. Player to my left is running Yidris cascade. Player after that is running Purphoros, but he let his Commander get O-Ringed by the next player.

I pass my turn. Yidris guy tries to Windfall us so he can get something good in his hand. I Counterspell. He passes. Purphoros guy gets excited, tries to Chaos Warp the O-Ring to get his Commander back. I flash in Torrential Gearhulk and re-Counterspell that. My next turn, I overload Vandalblast, completely crippling the Yidris player since he had no green sources after that.

Unfortunately, I went on to lose that game because I didn't block when I should have and left myself in a precarious, low-life position against the guy playing Avacyn.

>Want to build Yidris
>Have no idea where to take it
Do I go for wheels and shit like a Nekusar deck, or do I go mass reanimator with Living End?

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>>50513752
>enlightenment is making sure nobody wants to play with you ever again

>>50515901
play every second cascade cards you can play.

>>50515906
>not being an enlightened nomad
>not wandering from group to group spreading your wisdom before being cast out
>not finding comfort in this simple lifestyle

It's like your chakras aren't even aligned anon.

>>50515945
I mean I know your faggot ass wants to play mono red outside daretti but there are better ways than chaos decks.

>>50515932
I know that, but I don't know what else to put in

>>50514555
these are in my jhoira chaos list
really need an enduring ideal

>>50515410
I think you're just bad at green, or maybe Magic in general. Bond and Prowess are terrible, but that just means they're irrelevant. The draw you're actually running multi card ramp like cultivate, token cracking effects like Evolutionary Leap, big spells like Genesis Wave, ETB effects like Regal Force, Planeswalkers like Freyalise and Caller of Beasts, and mass recursion like Praetor's counsel and Season's Past. I have six decks in all five colors and the mono green one draws by far the most cards outside of infinite combos.

As far as fighting it's a powerful mechanic, but there are a limited number of good enablers like Ulvenwald Tracker. You need Gruul colors for it to be a major theme, and you should generally do it during an opponent's end step or as an ETB trigger.

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This is just evil man.

That's why I ordered one for every deck that I have with blue in it

>>50516046

Thank you and I agree, fight's one problem in my opinion is that a lot of the cheap fight cards are sorcery speed, but anyway you're exactly right, mono green has huge draw power

How do I make Zur fun?

>>50516208

He's already fun, fuck the haters

Just build around your favorite 3 mana or less enchantments

>>50516207
The Tracker, Ezuri's Predation, and Polukranos (not fight in the strict sense) are your good options in G. GR adds Gruul Ragebeast, Domri Rade, and Contested Cliffs to the mix, which makes it a real removal engine. I really want WotC to give us another good creature option or two, preferably G and with the beast type.

>>50511159
>>50511204

>zada
>he

>>50515691
The complaint about fight is that it's inefficient. It requires you to damage your creature in order to damage an opponent's creature, and that damage stays on your creature until the end of turn. You're right, you don't need to fight absolutely everything at all times, but recurring threats are much more difficult to handle, and multiple powerful creatures can cause big problems. Not a big deal, like I said, just something to be mindful of when you're building.

>>50516046
>here's 10 situational cards to prove my point, when the main complaint is that there is very little cost effective reliable draw power in green and it's difficult to remove many non-combat threats
I think you need to work on your reading comprehension, and your card evaluation.

Elemental Bond is one of the best budget draw cards printed, because it doesn't say "nontoken", and it's on ETB. In Sek'Kuar, while it isn't monogreen, elemental bond draws me a hilarious amount of cards.

I'd like to see a decklist anon, because I don't really think you understand what you're talking about, and are instead just listing cards you know that might be good.

>>50516452
he, as in my friend, not zada

>>50516485

There's nothing situational about any of the cards he listed

>>50516452
"muh pronouns"

>>50516594
Anon, you're going to make me do it arent you...

>praetor's council is 8 mana and doesn't draw you cards, it only gives you things that are in your yard
>all the "multi card ramp" has as much to do with card draw as a fetchland
>season's past is 6 mana and requires cards of different cmc to be in your yard
>evolutionary leap is pretty good, but still requires you to sacrifice a creature and pay mana to only get you creature cards
>genesis wave is hilariously expensive
>caller of beasts is 6 mana, only draws you creature cards, and would be better used to drop a creature and eat an attack
>Freyalise needs to be on the field of 2 turns without taking damage before you draw any cards and is 5 mana, then only draws you cards based on the number of green creatures you have

Like I've said a bunch, I love playing green, but don't pull that weak magical christmasland jazz, particularly when elemental bond is 3 mana and actually useful.

>>50511073
What's the best path to enlightenment? I've always wanted to build Norin or something, but do I need to go deeper?

When will wizards finally print enemy colour filter lands that aren't hybrid filters?

>>50516694
>Praetor's Counsel, Season's Past, Evolutionary Leap, Genesis Wave
>probably Birthing Pod too

>weak magical christmasland jazz

Shit bait, senpai

>>50516694

I'm not the same person as the other guy, I just take issue with your usage of the term "situational"

Being a lot of mana doesn't make something "situational", situational is stuff outside your control, like containment priest is situational, it's only good if your opponents are trying to put stuff in play at the right moment

if you're in a green ramp deck, having a lot of mana isn't a niche situation, it's every game

I'm not really sure what you're trying to argue here, it's well established in competitive edh that mono green can compete with multicolor decks and is one of the better mono color combos

>>50516694
green has decent card advantage. it has not-so-good straight up draw. a lot of green decks also run high power-per-card so draw is less needed than in blue or black or whatever, where you'll throw a billion tiny spells around because who cares lmao

my xenagos deck has shitty card draw. i think all i have are skullcamp, momentous fall and harmonize. the rest is pseudo card advantage like genesis wave and selvala's stampede. i still almost never run out of gas because the deck is composed of cheap ramp spells that add card advantage, big fatties that do a TON by themselves and then a bit of utility stuff sprinkled throughout. meanwhile, my fucking crazy necropotence-greed-phyrexian-arena-15-card-draw-spells monoblack deck runs out of gas constantly because it just burns through cards.

>>50516928

Green has some of the best "straight up draw", just because you don't put it in your deck doesn't mean it doesn't exist

>>50516857
>greentext reply with no substance that didn't read the post, and instead got mad over the phrase "magical christmasland jazz"
Look, I get that you have a hand full of cards and 5+ mana available at all times, but if you don't understand the critique, you're incredibly bad at magic. Birthing pod is actually useful, and a card that I run whenever I can, but it still has very little to do with card draw.

Also, do people actually use seasons past? I'm genuinely curious, because it seems like a shitty version of black recursion for a ton of mana.

>>50516896
Alright, it's clear that both of you fucks are just mad and incapable of card evaluation. I was specifically talking about a budget deck built cheaply or some guy's friend, and explaining that removal and cheap reliable card draw are going to be difficult to incorporate. Instead, you faggots are waxing poetic about how green is a competitive colour, that has basically nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

Every single 6 mana card that isn't tutored onto the battlefield is situational because it requires a shitload of mana that you could be using for something else. When you're forced to discard a few cards, what are you going to do, pray you top deck some 6 mana card draw? Jesus christ /tg/ is bad at magic.

>>50516928
This is actually a reasonable post from someone who understood what the critique was. Thank you for being able to read anon.

If you'd like, I'd be more than happy to help you even out the curve on your monoblack deck, I'm building one myself.

>>50516956
>and an idiot instantly responds without substance for no reason, yet again

>>50516956
name 2

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>>50516857
>>50516694
Name a better card draw engine than this. You CANT. Mono red is INSANE

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>>50516988
Ironically, green does this pretty well too. Irresistible Prey is another one that I actually run.

>>50516968

Black doesn't have anything like seasons past, black can't recur noncreature spells to hand generally, though a few cards exist for it like that new one in Kaladesh than can grab and artifact or that one commander who gets any black spell

>>50516973

Regal force and glimpse of nature

>>50516968
>if you don't understand the critique

>Season's Past is magical christmasland jazz because it requires cards in the GY

>But Elemental Bond isn't conditional because you always have a hand full of 3+ power creatures

You get all the greentext you deserve

>>50516968
>>If you'd like, I'd be more than happy to help you even out the curve on your monoblack deck, I'm building one myself.

nah it's basically fully optimized already. i have like 15 card draw cards, even with some smaller scale stuff like night's whisper and sign in blood. but i still manage to dodge drawing a good engine occasionally (or a tutor to find one with). adding even more draw now would just make the deck weaker since i would be drawing a ton more redundant cards when i do actually draw a good engine

>>50517030
Oh, you're using seasons past for noncreature spells? That's actually neat, but still seems a little niche for my liking. I'd much rather flicker Eternal Witness or something reliable, but that's just me.

>>50517030
>Regal force
doesn't do anything unless you have creatures already

>glimpse of nature
doesn't do anything unless you have a creature you can cast

no straight up draw. I REPEAT: no straight up draw

So I'm new to the whole magic thing. Went playing the first time yesterday, bought a commander deck called Seize Control.
Really enjoyed it, especially when I had "Arjun, the Shifting Flame" out.

How could I upgrade that deck to work better with Arjun as my commander? All the cheap 'upgrade to seize control' things i found while googling used the Mizzix guy.

>>50517050
Elemental Bond:
>works with ANY creature with 3 power or creature that you control
>this means that as you're stompy green stuff you'd play anyways, you draw more cards, which is reason enough to play it in the first place
>if you're running anthems with elves or something along those lines, this also causes elemental bond to trigger with lower power creatures
>anything that makes tokens stronger than 3 power instantly draws you cards
>using doubling season draws you an insane amount of cards, as does things like cauldron of souls or parallel lives
>it only costs 3 mana and is an enchantment, which in green can draw you even more cards, and requires specific removal
>you can use it in addition to other draw engines for hilarious results

Compared to:
>requires a minimum of two cards of different cmc to be more valuable than eternal witness, and only conditionally in the sense that it's a sorcery
>is 6 mana, and while it goes into your library, it's still 6 mana
>if you get hit with any graveyard hate, you might as well not run it

Should I pack a bounce theme in Edric? I don't really believe in the apotical way of counterspelling everything that might inconvenience me in the future, so I was thinking of using bounce stuff as a cheap political deterrent like "i will bounce your big guy if you attack me" and "i will let you resolve this enchantment but i will bounce it if you do me wrong"

this would be for casual multiplayer games, of course

>>50517466
>apotical
almost managed to write apolitical there

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/breya-and-the-seekers-who-are-seeking/

H8 and r8. I've been thinking of adding tamiyo's journal to the list but not sure what to take out for it

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How did I do?
I'm working on improving my zada deck.

>>50517908
>10 sacred pumas

>>50517968
I'm going to use them as mountain proxies. I need 30.

>>50517466
Allowing a player to use an Enter the Battlefield effect again is your fate

>>50517908
Chandra's Ignition is amazing if you could give all your shit lifelink first. Could easily inflate your life total to a stupid number.

>>50518000
no no, i first bounce it and then counter it if he tries to cast it again

>>50518016
or, you just win if you have eldrazi monument

>>50517999
Are you insane?

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>>50518428
No, I think it would be cool to have a foil scarred puma replace every mountain in my deck.

anyone here get custom art sleeves for their decks? what places would you recommend?

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>>50517908
>>50518559
Meme commander, meme cards, meme idea

kys my man

>>50518664
>everything I don't like is a meme
Hello /v/

>>50515971
Shh. Don't say that. The memester just wants to feel special playing the chaos meme deck.

>>50517104

I thought you meant stuff that says draw as opposed to stuff that puts cards in your hand like, say, impulse

My bad

>>50516086
Best card ever made.
I played this card turn 2 or 3 in a 6 player pod and game was completely halted for god knows how many cycles, it was at least 4 cycles until someone decided to cast something.
I have rarely seen a card this effective.

>>50519191
to be honest i was being a bit of a shit there but yeah, i typically prioritize simple draw spells and engines over complicated conditional ones. nothing sucks more than having only unusable card draw stuff after getting board wiped

>>50518664
zada is a fUn commander.
no meming

>>50519301

I agree with that principle but at the same time, your supposed to use stuff like regal force before the board wipe, then you put them in an awkward position, do they wipe anyway knowing you just drew a full grip that they might need a wipe to beat, or do they try to save it for later

Also that's what mass recursion like seasons past is for, after a board wipe it's excellent, get your whole curve back to hand

>>50511073
>>50515945
>>50513752
who is the best chaos leader? i would think arjun for that splash of blue shenanigans.
maybe norn? diaochan? i want to have a deck that makes people go:
>oh fuck, this is gonna be a ride

>>50519362
Season's past with a demonic tutor in the graveyard is an insane recursion engine.

>>50519389
Lord of Tresserhorn

use black/blue tutors to tutor for scrambleverse
use blue to recur it

>>50517104
Well, green does have Harmonize, Sylvan Library and Nissa's Revelation. Most of the green's draw focuses on creatures and such though, so I would use Greater Good at least, but there's one trick ponies such as Life's Legacy, Soul's Majesty and Momentous Fall for example.
While you're right, green CAN draw cards, even though most of it are situational and dependant on creatures.

>>50519444
>Harmonize

planar chaos was a mistake

>>50519457
And incidentally, it was one of the best blocks in the whole game.
I find it funnier that Harmonize actually has been reprinted.

>>50518559
love the idea

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Quick, give me fun oddball tribals! Pic somewhat related.

>>50514555
Possibility Storm doesn't belong with those. It's a legitimately great way to stop removal and counterspells in any goodstuffs deck

>>50519731
it's obviously not an oddball but fuck i want to make a zombie tribal so badly.

>dem lords
>dem mass revival spells
>dat token swarm
>dat grimgrin

sadly i just built a mono black deck so it'd be dumb to buy another set of black staples. perhap in a few months when my monoblack cools down

If i want to make a Abzan goodstuff/stax deck, who should the commander be. Can anyone link a good example of one?

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>>50519731
well knights have some cool art

that's about it

is zada a meme commander

zada is a meme commander

meme is a zada commander

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>>50519964

yeah, they do

>>50517141
https://edhrec.com/commanders/arjun-the-shifting-flame

>tfw group openly hates my Johnny bullshit
I would build Thar, but there are not very many noncreaure cards in my group. What should I build that doesn't draw mondo hate?

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>>50515347
Mogg Infestation

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>>50521348

>>50519731

>Wall Tribal (Doran)
>Cephalid Tribal
>Goat Tribal
>Elephant/Rhino Tribal
>Wolf/Hound Tribal (non werewolves)
>Ooze Tribal
>Fungus Tribal
>Advisor Tribal
>Manland Tribal (Child of Alara, only creatures are manlands/awaken)

>>50521348
Run a partner commander with no other partner

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>>50521694

>>50511855
You are dumb if you can't recognize Scrambleverse and the like as Red's answer to opposing enchantments.

>>50518428
I mean, I've seen worse idea's in the legacy thread.....

Someone folded their cards in half to assist in riffle shuffling.

>>50521758
>problematic enchantment (for example Aether Flash)
>Let's answer to it with Scrambled eggs!
You do realize that it only helps with Propagandas and other non-global enchantments? It doesn't even affect auras.
Why did you even post that? A non-removal """"""answer"""""" that costs a fuckton and isn't even guaranteed to not hinder you.
Just play Spine like everyone else and every single possible tutor for it.

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is zada a good commander

>>50522210
>red's answer to enchantments are non-direct and wonky
And that's exactly how Red enchantment 'removal' works

Why did you even post?

>>50519841
To be fair, you shouldn't play Grimgrin for a Zombie commander, you should play Gisa and Geralf. Now THAT'S a commander for a zombie deck.

>>50522305
Fun, yes. Good, no, not really. She requires very specific circumstances to go off

>>50522305
she's better in the 99 of any deck running UR, so you can rite of replication your whole board.

>Working on Atraxa Voltron (because I have a Jitte and a Masterpiece sword that need homes, and I want to be a nonconformist with the popular builds)
>I already have a mean Sigarda Enchantress deck, so I want to make this one more equipment oriented
>Buy Stonehewer and Sculpting Steel
>Realize most equipment has 1 and 2 CMC auras in these 4 colors that do the same thing without equip cost

Is the only advantage to equipment the ability to play it before the creature hits the board? I see now why it is more of a boros/mardu-exclusive thing when green/blue/white have a mixture of auras that do the same for less.

>>50522485
the advantage to equipment is that it can be moved, and it gets hit by different hate.

>>50522485
it also doesn't die if the creature gets nixed in response to the eqip

>>50522485
Yea thats one advantage over auras that it has. But one massive up side that equipment have is that they don't disappear along with the creature if it gets taken out so their removal don't end up being a 2+ for one. Some other minor advantages is has is being super easy to cast with the majority of them being colorless and them having shittons of synergy and support cards due to them being artifacts.

Someone give me a janky deck idea to brew.
I'm bored

>>50522542
>>50522568
>>50522582

Fair enough. Though I always feel artifacts are way easier to remove than enchantments (black and red suck at it). Would it dilute my type-based draw/tutor engines too much if I split it between the most efficient equips and auras?

what are some good saskia +1/+1 cards?

Also good wrath protection tech?

Question time!

If I use Sneak Attack at the start of the declare attackers step, are any creatures I drop in eligible for combat?

>>50523045
can the active player even cast spells before he declares attackers after passing priority for end of main 1?

>>50516485
I've been meaning to get them all on tappedout anyway: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/furious-elves-2/

>10 situational cards
Bond and Prowess are more situational than anything I listed, even if one of them does synergize very well with your personal commander.

>>50518664
If you're going to meme then go full meme. Nothing is worse than a half ass like the guy in the last thread who only primal surges until he finds his wincons.

>>50519731
Shamans are pretty good, but you'll be starved for wincons if you make it strict tribal.

>>50519884
Karador.

>>50521348
Put the permanent commander phase out combo in an otherwise unassuming Ruhan list.

>>50521694
Absolute madman

>>50523045
No. Declaring attackers happens at the very beginning of the Declare Attackers combat step. You gotta do it Main 1, or Beginning of Combat (which everyone shortcuts when they say "Go to combat?").

>>50523163
Only if someone else does something after you pass, and you don't shortcut.

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>mfw using saheeli rai to copy godo

I never knew I would like this

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Can I get some feedback on this list? I want it to be a cop deck that shuts down obnoxious players, particularly chaos and group hug.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-11-16-tasi/

>>50523507

Saheeli Rai - 1UR

Sorcery

Create a token that's a copy of target artifact or creature you control, except it's an artifact in addition to its other types. That token gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step.

>>50523543
You act as if I care about the token being exiled.

>>50523560
How did you get that interpretation out of my shitpost?

>>50523543

>trinket mage get sol ring and play it
>saheeli copy trinket mage fetching skullclamp
>equip skullclamp to copy and sacrifice it to breya's ability, kill a thing, draw 2 cards

that felt good

>>50523529
It's private, you dunce

Here's my list for reference.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/tasigur-the-golden-fang-competitive-combo/

>>50523594
How do you know I was not merely entertaining your shitpost?

>>50523618
Don't remember checking that box, but fixed.

>>50523599
This raised a weird question I had to take to the Judge chat for an answer. If you have Skullclamp equipped to a Memnite (or other artifact creature), and for whatever reason you don't want to draw, you can actually sacrifice the Skullclamp before you sacrifice the Memnite. It dies unequipped, so no Skullclamp trigger.

Leads to weird situations where, say, sacrificing Mycosynth Lattice + Mountain isn't legal but Mountain + Mycosynth Lattice is.

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This felt great.

>>50523799
>bad lighting with a who the fuck knows non-english foil

>>50523836
Hero of Bladehold. My room has really bad lightning.

>>50523799
green sun's zenith, mother of runes, old sigarda, swords to plowshares, some random foil i don't recognize, and chord of calling. What do these have anything to do with anything?

>>50523836
Hero of bladehold you degenerate piece of shit

>>50523769
What?
Skullclamp doesn't make you sacrifice the creature, it just gives it toughness -1. This kills anything with 1 or less. That's a state-based action, it doesn't use the stack and can't be responded to. Once the clamp is on the Memnite, it's dying, nothing can save it. Now if you mean you respond to the equipment activation by sacrificing Memnite, then yeah it'll die without you drawing, but then if you don't want to draw and have the power to sacrifice it anyway, why are you even equipping?

>>50523861
I'm building Trostani. I got them today for 60 bucks and I'm pretty close to finishing it.

>>50523861
Anon finally dropped some money on his GW elfball or goodstuff or whatever.

Glimpse of Nature, GSZ, Mom, Sigarda, Swords, Natural Order, ugly italian Hero of Bladehold, Chord, and Eladamri's Call.

Any thoughts on Noyan Dar as a commander?

>>50523734
How good do you want your deck to be? My advice will be different if you want it to be really good, or if you just want it to be ok-good.

>>50523915
I play him in Duel, so my perceptions are a bit skewed, but I love it. The list is just oppressive UW control. The only win conditions are a few planeswalkers, and Noyan himself. Everything else is just counters, removal, and draw. Plus one or two things that win out of nowhere, like Runechanter's Pike.

>>50523877
I'm sorry I don't have a junk mythic memorized

>>50519731
Riku's clone/copy tribal. why build a function deck when you could just play your friends?

>>50523917
This is a gloves off deck; budget is the only reason I didn't put the full dual/shock/fetch suite in the first draft. I'm building the deck for the purposes I listed above, but Tasi it doesn't necessarily have to be the commander.

>>50517968
>sacred pumas
The scarred puma has become a deity

>>50523943
>this is my first standard season

>>50523943
>Calling doubling season of bladehold junk

>>50523899

hes talking about breya

her activated ability requires you pay a cost of sacrificing two creatures. you sacrifice them one after another technically, during the process of putting the ability on the stack, and their static abilities matter for the order, as the guy explained with examples

if you want to activate breya's ability to sacrifice myco lattice + a mountain (which is an artifact because of myco lattice), you have to sacrifice the mountain first because after you sac myco lattice, the mountain is no longer an artifact even though this is happening in the middle of an ability being activated

>>50524082
>>50524090
Its not a great card, fuckfaces.

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>>50524187

>>50523986
Well I'll suggest something similar to my Tasigur then, more counterspells to deal with bullshit Chaos spells. Group Hug should just push you closer to victory, which is infinite combo.
I would cut: Blue Sun's Zenith, Dragonlord's Prerogative, Think Twice, Voidslime, Mana Leak (unless it's been good for you), Villanious Wealth, Prismatic Lens, Regrowth, Seasons Past, Increasing Ambition, Mulch, Praetor's Counsel, Jace's Sanctum, Training Grounds, Thought Scour, Mental Note.
Add: Phyrexian Arena, Arcane Denial, Exclude, Dismiss, Laboratory Maniac, Monastery Siege, Krosan Grip, Compulsive Research, Frantic Search, Notion Thief, Mind Stone, Deprive, Dissolve, Dream Fracture, Hydroblast (you said there's Chaos and chaos is red), Logic Knot

>>50523899
I gave a bad example with a Memnite, but an artifact creature that doesn't die due to Skullclamp's +1/-1 still applies.

Its not a reasonable scenario, but more a weird intersection of rules. Because you can pay costs in any order, Breya's ability effectively reads
>2, sacrifice an artifact, sacrifice an artifact:
And that can be either
>Sacrifice equipped creature, sacrifice Skullclamp
Which will lead to drawing two cards when Skullclamp's trigger resolves, or
>Sacrifice Skullclamp, sacrifice that creature (which is now unequipped)
Which won't draw two cards.

This might be relevant if, for example, you desperately wanted to kill a Notion Thief/Consecrated Sphinx with a Breya activation and all you had was Breya and some artifact creature with a Skullclamp equipped, and you didn't want to sac Breya.

>>50524139 pointed out what I meant with regards to order mattering, due to shenanigans with static abilities changing the types of things.

>>50524187
No but it's good, and not junk. It's about as good as Kalitas is.

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>>50524090
Never compare those two cards again.

>>50524220
I'm surprised neither of you run Swan Song (especially over Dismiss and Exclude). Similarly, Reality Shift is decent removal with an inconsequential drawback, and, with infinite mana, you can kill the table as long as they each start off with at least one creature.

If things go sideways, and Lab Man and Nooze get exiled, I think I'd want some redundant infinite combos. Blue Sun's and Reality Shift seem like they have pretty low opportunity cost.

>>50513440
Festering Goblin is old.

>>50524539
Ooze is the only graveyard wincon for me so its not too bad if gy gets exiled b/c I can still win with lab man through infi mana+tasigur or devourer or consultation. I'l add in exsanguinate though for another thing to do with infinite mana, and swan song.
Reality shift hasn't been too good for me though, but I'll try it again

>>50523943
>Junk mythic

shit sees modern play

>>50524848
Haha! Thats a pretty funny joke

>trying out xmage
>it's kinda funky, you know, you have to pick specific lands or the art won't show up, whatever
>get into a game
>cast epic experiment x=9, use brain in a jar (reiterate) and mirrorpool to put two more copies on the stack
>first EE hits absolute junk
>second EE hits some decent cards
>hit "yes" to cast a spell
>click Fateful Showdown
>...
>nothing happened!
>click it again
>nope
>there's no 'finished' button
>no indication that anything's changed
>i can't even switch windows, but the chat keeps scrolling past like nothing's wrong
>I can't close the exile box or minimize it or move it
>close the window
>reopen it
>look for a way to rejoin the game, there doesn't appear to be one

why do we want to use this piece of shit program again?

>>50524896

Cockatrice doesn't have that problem

>>50524907
I know. That's what I usually play on.

>>50524896
I agree, I tried to use xmage but it's so clunky and broken.
Cockatrice doesn't enforce rules, but you should just know the rules for fucks sake.

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Anyone have improvements for "Muh non mill edh"? Thanks fa/tg/uys

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lil-syggy/

>>50522323
>Still posting
You can claim whatever you wish, but the fact is that Scrambleverse isn't an answer, since it doesn't remove the big bad enchantment.

>>50524283
I don't believe that. It's like if I cast Barter In Blood and opponent had a Theros God with devotion barely filled and a single creature that gives for example 3 devotion towards the god, and if they sacced them in different order, they would have to not sacrifice both.
State-based actions don't apply in middle of spells resolving or paying costs when you're saccing multiple things simultaneously for a single cost.

>>50516452
I just thought Zada was a dude, but to be fair other than all the very very obvious cards, like Goblin Matron, I think all goblins are dudes.

>>50521758
>Hello, I don't know the color pie!

Reds not supposed to be able to deal with enchantments. Even R&D said Chaos Warp was a mistake.

>>50515901
Run every zero cost suspend card. Lotus bloom, ancestral visions, hyper genesis, living end (or death... The zero cost one), wheel of fate, etc. Then run lots of rituals and cantrips. Then storm the fuck out. I made a voltron list and accidentally stormed out with mind's desire. Very hilarious. Very potent. But my group hates storm so I am retooling Yidris into voltron without the stormy elements.

Could I get some advice/input on this?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/doran-the-siege-tower-competitive-midrange/
The deck is ment to be a competitive creature based deck, which I lack. By competitive I mean for multiplayer tables, not 1v1 french.
I have a few mana dorks, each is cast with green and gives access to non green. There's also that one white 1drop with buttbreathing that was posted a day or two ago but I forgot it's name, anyone remember?

>>50526664
Doesn't that deck lose to back to basics or blood moon effects?

>>50526664
There are some really odd choices, not enough hatebears, and your beatdown isn't fast enough. There's no combo backup plan, and there's not enough ramp. Dark Confidant is also better than Dark Tutelage, I have no idea why you'd run that ever.

>>50526014
MaRo said Chaos warp was a mistake, and although he acts like he does not represent the entirety of RND

>>50526664
>Running Doran
>half the creatures in the deck have greater power than toughness
>running ONE card that synergizes with your general

Your general should be Teneb, that way you have an excuse for your deck being no-identity goodstuff

>>50526812
He should be running Karador for the boonweaver combo or Ghave for the shenanigans, actually.

>>50526873
>karador for the boonweaver combo
i hate boonweaver. very boring. i much prefer my midrange control karador that ive got going

>>50526998
But does it work in a competitive meta?

>>50522942
Avacyn for the Wrath protection.
Mostly White stuff, but Glorious Anthem, Marshall's Anthem, Mirari's Wake, Alway's Watching for non tokens, Intangible Virtue for tokens, Angel of Invention, and Atarka's command are all the non-specific +1/+1's

>>50527119
not sure. I know it could be better, but im not really lookin to spend anything right now to improve it. take a loook

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/06-05-16-karador/

>>50527119
Boonweaver combo is used in competitive metas and it works, even though it's mana intensive. It usually at least wins on the spot.

>>50527275
I meant the midrange control, not the combo. I now it works really well.

>>50516086
WOW. I had no idea it was worded like that actually, always thought it was just a slow 1U Ancestral and you get free Mishra's Fucktoy hits while waiting for your cards.

>>50527273
I think it has too little ramp, the removals and threats cost too much and it folds to any combo.

>>50527311
Oh right. It works in french EDH, not really in multiplayer

>>50525889
understandable, but its nice sometimes to have non obvious features for different planes. khans girl goblins have less bushy eyebrows and zenikar has rocky bits on thier head instead of chin. its more creative than just adding tits and shows how they evolved on thier plane. its like putting tits on argonians; reptiles dont have breasts and the goblins in bfz seem more reptilian type of goblin.

there are people who think mizzix is a guy even though she clearly has a ponytail, tits in her bodice, AND has a jumbo card to boot so you cant miss them.

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>>50513335
Well I can if it works a certain way, but that's why I am asking. I guess a more appropriate question would be do I tap mother of runes the same time i activate mana abilities?

Put chord on stack name X is one and then activate mana abilities

Tap runes for white then filter Simic signet for U/G then tap two green lands so you have 3G and a U In the mana pool? Can I do this?

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So, I need to build a mono-green deck to even my colors out and I'm between Omnath, Azusa, and Titania. Unfortunately, I'm an indecisive fuck, so I could use some help settling on one. Also feel free to present a better idea if you've got one.

>>50527927
reread Convoke again, but I don't blame you for being confused since they changed it's reminder text to the most retarded possible interpretation.

When you cast a spell with convoke you can tap any number of creature to help pay for its cost, the color of those creatures can help pay for the colored costs in the spell. the creatures are NOT generating mana to pay for the spell's cost, they reduce (I think) it's cost, so in your scenario, you only have two green sources, if you use one to pay for the Simic Signet your mana pool will be GGU with an untapped Mother to help pay for the X cost in Chord, so you still need one more green mana source or a green creature.

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>>50527962

New Secret Tech Confirmed:
Herald of Leshrac in Atraxa

>>50527966
Thanks friendo

>>50523299
Thought so. Thanks!

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Is Cauldron of souls and Thief of Blood spicy wrath protection tech?

What are some of the coolest counter manipulation cards out there that deal with +1s and -1s?

>>50528014
combine it with land sac so they get nothing back and you're golden.

>>50523237
How do you do that in Ruhan? I thought you needed Song of the Dryads for it to work

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Is this too silly to work in a colorless deck? If it helps, I tend to have the mana to keep it on board long enough to matter, it's just a matter of if it'd even get anything done, really.

>>50528056
Cauldron + melira is a similar combo

>>50528119
I'm pretty sure you can only run that in a 5c deck because it has nonrules text mana symbols.

>>50528119
>Is this too silly to work in a colorless deck?
yes because it has the WUBRG color identity

>>50528056
My personal favorite is mazirek + sac outlet (preferably ashnods) + puppeteer clique, followed closely by pentavus ashnods and mazirek.

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>>50528168
>>50528176
Fuck me, you're absolutely right.

Disregard me, I suck cocks.

So question: If I know my opponent has a counterspell in hand, can I cast a spell, hold priority, then play Angel's Grace in order to basically make sure my spell can't be countered, or does priority pass to everyone else as soon as I cast the first spell?

>>50528287
Nevermind that doesn't work because Angel's Grace resolves first so the first spell will be on the stack alone again and he can counter it.

>>50528304
>>50528287
I never understood why so many people think split second works this way. I've seen it tried at least a dozen times.

My distributor fucked up and sent me a case of the newest print run on Eternal Masters with an order of Kaladesh. What do?

>>50528517
Enjoy lovely case of eternal masters?

>>50528517
Send it back. While you could open and profit, if they're your distributor a good relationship is worth more than a single box of cards.

>>50528517
Distributors have literal pallets of eternal masters left. Offer when they ask, otherwise hold onto it for max investment value.

>>50522380
eh i just think grimgrin is way better, even if he doesn't have "in your face" synergy

he still gives you the following:

>a zombie, meaning all your zombie synergy works with him
>a strong beater and a wincon
>a sac outlet
>creature removal on a stick

meanwhile what does gisa and geralf do?

>a plain old 4/4
>you can cast 1 zombie from the grave
>a bit of self mill

grimgrin just seems objectively better even if you do put in 25 zombies in your deck

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It's that time motherfuckers. Post your deck's themesong. I'll start things off:

>Memnarch Artifact Ramp into Stealing Shit
System of a Down - Aerials (Yngwie Malmsteen and Rob Lundgren Power Metal Edition)
>https://youtu.be/ycyOtfFmdS4?list=PLIuUFbKMdQmfKoQ8NcklmZvVey6Ml9V1F

>Uril "Do not explain the plot, if you do not understand then you should not be here" 1v1 Enchantress
Mastodon - Cut You Up With A Linoleum Knife
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzsRddk_cb0

>Brago Flicker Control, Indestructible Nonsense and Boardwipes
Organized Konfusion - Bring it On
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33DM2i1Hv70

>Lazav Steal Shit 2: Play your shit better than you do boogaloo
Spawn of Possession - Church of Deviance (Banjo Edition)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByvErfImK7k

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>>50529037

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>>50527962
Play legendary Tribal.

>>50529168
>telling nerds to leave /tg/
Just be happy I wasn't detailing the volume of spiders capable of fitting into a human vagina, or how much blood you'd need to make a blood sword from the iron.

>>50528799
I prefer GG really. Grimgrin is less interesting and what I like in GG anyway, is the ability to reuse anything. Rooftop Storm return anything, not just Gravecrawler.
The milling is less important. If you're going for flavor, GG is still better. Powerwise :^) is better when it comes to raw power, but GG is much more versatile, which is something I like.

>tfw can't decide which Gruul commander to build
FUCK

HELP

>>50529037
you have bad taste in music lmao

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>>50529294
OH YEAH [spoiler/]

>>50529294
Sure, I can help!

>what decks do you have?
>what decks did you like?
>what decks did you hate?
>what does your meta look like?

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>>50511801
It's pretty consistent that any non human zombie is a zombie plus it's creature type. I think it's intentional given most cards promoting the creature type human are thematically praising life and by extension against the dead.

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>>50529037
>Enchantress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVqg_LL4ckM

>>50529037
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n3XJQtJWKJM

You can guess the commander

>>50529379
Hmmm, seems like my country has blocked your video friend.

>>50529393
you don't get to listen then

>>50529391
100% sure it's atraxa

>>50529391
This is a hard one. My choice is either Narset or Azami.

>>50529037
>Yisan deck, Bard, bard, bard, bard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4DcWYnAZ7M

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New WG ajani
Pic is ass and untranslated currently

>>50529037
>Vial Smasher and Ludevic mad science .dec

https://youtu.be/-FIMvSp01C8?list=PLHt3Dcu0rcHM_oFGEUrIYQVQjeY9agDgx

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>>50529471

>>50528517
If you're a store send it back to get on good terms with your distributor, otherwise keep it.

>>50529037
>this selection of music from half-decent artists played ironically
Seems like you're on the scrambleverse level of that EDH pyramid. I had never heard that Mastodon song before.

>Sidisi budget monoblack goodstuff combos.dek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apYrAYJIA_U

>>50529496
>4/10

It will be a $50 card because of standard, but it's nothing special outside of a clearly pushed superfriends deck.

>>50529530
the only theme song is this for Norin Chaos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChjZhYr5Vds

>>50529410
>>50529416
Nope

>>50529550
Not bad, not bad at all. This is my darietti artifact chaos theme song because you're going to spend 20 minutes resolving anything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apYrAYJIA_U

>>50529616
its atraxa because both her and kpop are memes :^)

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Bought this intro EDH deck, have at least 1500+ cards from M12-Present that I'm gonna add, thinking about getting rid of the exile cards like the discard hands and such, are they even that good? Was thinking about adding some grave digging stuff and burn spells. I already put in Archaeomancer and Eldrazi Homunculus and they saw some good play, took out some of the multilayer meme chaos cards like the switch hands ones.

>>50529630
Not its Meren

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>>50529496
>poo in the loo translate card

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>>50529037

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj8hF8ukTWE

>>50529724
fucking christ is Gary Busey looks like the real-life Joker

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Have you ever built a Commander deck with good intentions, but then when you try it out, you find that your deck is complete ass?

In my case, my Kemba deck is complete ass. She needs hexproof, otherwise she gets blown up instantly, and her gameplan is setback too many turns/. I shouldn't have been thinking with my dick when picking a commander. I am sure a Kemba deck could be alright, but then one I budget brewed was god awful. I think I am going to try a different mono-white commander and try and salvage the deck. Do you guys know if Kytheon (flip Gideon) would be a good commander?

If I'm playing superfriends do I ABSOLUTELY HAVE to have Doubling Season? I don't want to shell out $42 for them from an online store but I feel like its a good card for my deck.

>>50530007
The problem with Kemba is that it relies relatively heavily on equipment, and unless you're willing to shell out for good equipment/tutors, the results are going to be underwhelming.

I personally don't think flip Gideon would be the best commander, but I've always wanted to build Yosei, and I'm sure you could throw together a half-decent Odric or Eight-and-a-half Tails.

To be completely honest, monowhite is a colour that I've never really figured out, and the only one I don't have a dedicated deck for at the moment.

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>>50530050
It's one of those cards that's usually winmore.

Either way it can be put into a bunch of different archetypes and is in general a good card to have.

>>50530007
I try to build my decks around a theme that the commander adds to, but isn't necessary for.. Building something so reliant on a commander is usually too fragile in my opinion. It depends on your meta though.

>>50530050
Same question about the same card, but for Prosh.

>>50530050
Ignore >>50530118

Doubling Season isn't win more.

Doubling Season is WIN. The end. It turns all your planeswalkers that usually die into gamecrushing bombs that ulti the turn you drop them.

The new doubling fish really helps, but having two of them is a hell of a lot better.

>>50530168
In prossh it's not needed.

>>50530050

Where is it available for $42? I've seen it as high as $65 in local stores and its not lower than $52 for the absolute cheapest online. If you can find it for that low buy it NOW this card is only getting more expensive because it IS NECESSARY most of the time.

>>50517908
>lightly played
>moderately played

Why?

>>50530192
Not him but I believe they are 30€ or something on magiccardmarket.

>>50530192
NM Doubling Season from Modern Masters at €27 on MCM.

Foreign EX Doubling Season from Ravnica all the way down to €20

>>50529294
99 permanents ruric thar.

>isochron scepter with counterspell under it
>clever impersonator copying isochron scepter imprinting path to exile
>with unwinding clock in play

Noone gets to have fun except me.

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>>50530284

My Commander is Thrun, the Last Troll.

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Anyone have any experiences with her? She's the only Bant commander that really grabs my interest and it seems like she'd be a good way to do a "I'm gonna steal your shit" deck.

Thoughts? Issues? Secret tech?

>>50530884

Secret Tech? Play Seance.

How can I build my four color deck to use lotus cobra effectively? I am playing nonowhite and have farseek, explosive vegitation, and sakura tribe elder in the deck. I have 3 on color fetchlands and two alara panoramas.

Should i run off color fetch lands? Should i run more basic lands? Should i run other mana dorks?

>>50530902
Hmm... Not seeing the interaction. Explain?

>>50530936

The more fetchlands you run the better lotus cobra will be, if you want more things to make lotus cobra better, try extra land drops and possibly land bounce

>>50530945

It's white. Play Seance, the only good creature recursion in white.

>>50531192
Except it's bad. Why would you even run it?

I would rather run Genesis.
Anyway, if you >>50530884 are dead set on playing her, you shouldn't focus too much on her, as she's not reliable enough as a steal engine.
You should run few sac outlets though, and one of the best ones is Helm of Possession, which is extra fun for stealing with Rubi and saccing the creature to steal another.
Still, for stealing, I would rather play Yasova.

>>50531192
Well, it's also green, so getting stuff back from the graveyard isn't that hard. And since it's Bant, that means I have several ways to abuse ETB effects like Eternal Witness or Karmic Guide (which is White, btw).

So... I disagree.

>>50531360

yasova is trash man, rubinia is better

what you meant to say was meriek ri berit, who is strictly better than rubinia

>>50529359
>>50529359
>what decks do you have?
I currently run Godo, Ghave, Gwafa Hazid, Melek, and Feldon
>what decks did you like?
Love my Godo, love Ghave, I liked the idea of Shu Yun but it was too inconsistent/it was also my first EDH deck so I didn't really know what I was doing
>what decks did you hate?
M13 Odric. Way too fucking slow
>what does your meta look like?
Low-power, Timmy-centric, lots of creatures with not a whole lot of interaction

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>that feel when I might actually get to play magic for the first time in months
Hot damn, I'm so excited. I have like 3 decks I get to test out, including a super janky Jeleva discard fuckery deck.

>>50531618
>An entire novel
A complex feel indeed.

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So the commander league results for last month finally posted, and I came in 3rd with the most wins out of the 18 people that registered and played last month (they had some days roll into dec. cuz of Thanksgiving).

It was good. I was able to change up a few things here with Rakdos, but I felt like it was still a little too slow. I guess that comes with play B/R. I won a lot of games just by either smashing them in the face with Rakdos or going infinite.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/22-11-16-rakdos-reanimator/

Honestly looking for more changes to make. Not sure at this point what to take out or add. Everything here pulled it's weight. I'd love to get some better lands (shocks, duals, and fetches) but those are backburned for now.

>>50531641
>send my gf a pdf at work because she's bored
>somehow crashes the computer, even though it's only like 1.4MB
>she now things I sent her a computer ramping 150gb thing
I feel like an ass.

>>50531618
>UBR discard
Why not Gwendlyn?

>>50532202
>Gwendlyn
While that is the superior choice for flavor, it's not going to help me cast a bunch of instants and sorceries at the speed of light. Also, that's some cumbersome devotion.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/zada-goblin-explosion/
r8/h8

>>50531013
I have some off colored fetches but no extra land drops or bounces outside of the guild ones. Thank you for the input. I must get back to brewing.

>>50530884
As usual she's abusable by effects that blink things to your control rather than its owner's control, like Conjurer's Closet, Cloudshift, etc.

I ran an old populayte deck with her where I'd create token copies of creatures using stuff like Dance of Many then populate the tokens. Her ability allowed me to use Cackling Counterpart on my opponents' stuff.

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>friend always asks under his breath "why haven't you sold that yet" when I drop a fetch
>proceeds to bitch when his mana fixing is terrible because 3 and 4 color decks full of basics

>>50530050
The literal answer is no, you don't "need" any one thing for any deck.

The actual answer is yes.

>>50532617
There's a gulf in between fetches and basics, though. Have you told him there are loads of decent budget multilands?

>>50532617
People are absolutely allowed to spend more money on this game than their friends, but boy do I love hearing them sulk in almost every thread when their friends get annoyed with them.

>>50532865
>>50532865
New thread