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Howdy /40kg/!

>>50497671
First for Eldar

THIRD FOR LORGAR

So, how will 8th untangle the nightmarish mishmash of 40k/Apoc power creep we currently have?

Rumors seem to suggest that even GW realize that things have gotten well out of hand.

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Fifth for Mars!

>>50487495
I was considering Space Wolves, but I'm pretty worried about painting them - for now I had only painted "faceless" models with less details than SW but there's a first time for everything. Also was thinking about Tau - their SC box provide a bigger variety of models than KT box

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I wonder how much fun this would be to play/play against
Came up with it after fiddling with my DE list

What factions do you think would be good contenders to balance every book in 8e around? As in, they are fun, balanced and not boring to play against.

I have to vote for Admech, but I'm biased. I do wish they'd make Ironstriders two per box, though. They are stupidly expensive.

>>50497801
>(You)

Are the new Pink/Blue/Brimstone horrors ridiculously overpowered when combined with the new Exalted locus of creation? Because I think so. One unit of 20 pink horrors can become 80 blue horrors, which can become 160 brimstone horrors. Did GW not think this through enough?

>>50497756
The issue is that if GW lowers the power level, people react like they did to Wrath of Magnus. They are whiny crybabies who expects everything to be on the insane level of Wraithknights because it exists, despite the retarded powerlevel of things like that.

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Is it worth buying the whole 1ksons sorcerers box just to get pew pew man?

>>50497863
YES!

>>50497847
>Did GW not think this through enough?

they realised how many models it will sell and liked it

What matches are you playing?

I had to cancel mine after I broke my foot, so I'm playing vicariously through you this weekend.

>>50497802
Admech (excluding the cheese version), Tau 6th, and KDK level.

>>50497758
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>>50497802
Tau, to be honest. They have a lot of variety in design between fast skimmers, alien auxilia, a solid core of medium infantry, and plenty of big stompy options.

Other factions could consider plenty of design lessons from Tau, like imagine if the Tyranid synapse link wasn't a mechanic designed to punish players for not having it, but one that gives bonuses and encourages synergy between hordes and little nids and the bigger nids, like marker lights do for Tau?

Or if they took some ideas out of the riptide and applied it to the ork or chaos codex, ie the random effects not being intended as a rule to punish and nerf units, but instead being a buff with a small chance of failure.

>>50497856

Hopefully that presages a general lowering of powerlevels to come.

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>>50497872
I'm conflicted on the matter. On the one hand it is ridiculous cheese, even further when you consider they're also psykers, but on the other hand it would be hilarious to actually get that number of models on the table.

>>50497699
Eldar getting cucked by Space marine again Kek

>>50497933
How does killing magic baby fires with a flammer work? Wouldn't they enjoy it?

I'm building my KDK army and want to run a lord on a juggernaut as my HQ. Snag in the plan - the GW webstore only has fantasy juggerlords. Am I missing something or is that the only juggerlord? I can convert it easily enough but I just wanna make sure I'm not missing anything.

>>50497756
Age of Sigmar style warscrolls, forcing them to look at what exactly every unit brings to the table at once.

Replace alliance rules, current rules are restricting "Your Dudes" and heavily favor Imperium factions.

Heavily restrict super heavies and flyers. This is the hardest one, IMO, they don't want people to stop buying them entirely.

>>50497978
Magic fire =/= promethium?

>>50497895
I've literally never seen or fought a KDK army ever, so I'll take your word for it.

>>50497919
I actually really like some of the concepts in the Tau book. The problem is they got all of those at once when two or three would make an army decently powerful. Also, they have so much stuff to cover their weaknesses (not very bad ones) that they aren't even really there anymore. Necrons are largely weak to melee, and Guard. Tau aren't.

I would gladly swap Skitarii ranger special weapons for markerlights, ethereal buff bubbles work better on nids IMO, shooty variant MCs likewise.

>>50497978
I guess it's a bit like drowning a fish. It can happen, just needs specific circumstances.

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It's Friday. Where are my Traitor Legion leaks?

>>50497933
Maybe it's one of those things you're only meant to do with your mates, just to see how fucked up it gets, everyone has a laugh at the madness you've created and then you got back to playing "properly",on the other hand it's a lot of money for a joke game every once in a while.

3k list, what do?

Nemesis Strike Force
>Grand Master w/ Psycannon
>Librarian w/ ML3
>3x Terminator Squad w/ 1 Hammer, Psycannon
>2x Interceptor Squad w/ 1 Hammer
>2x Nemesis Dreadknight w/ Hammer, Psilencer

Skitarii Maniple
>6x Skitarii Vanguard w/ Arc Rifle

Skitarii Maniple
>2x Vanguard Squad w/ 2 Plasma Calivers
>2x Rangers

Battle Congregation
>Tech-Priest Dominus
>3x Kataphron Destroyers

Total: 2965/3000

What do you think I do with the extra 35 Points? Are the Plasma Skitarii necessary?

If you were to be given a clampack model as a small Christmas gift from your partner would you rather it were painted at tabletop standard (best effort for me, I only started in September) or still on the sprue?

>>50497933
I find that pic a bit hilarous. Thats tzeentch herald. They have ws2 S3 T3 W2 A1 5++. It seems its wielding 2 Etherblades, either normal or greater ones.

On average 10 guardsmen with shotguns would kill it easily.

>>50498025
Later tonight.

>>50497919
I feel the Riptide is a case of too much reward, not enough risk. I think there should be more emphasis on "desperation"/timing of certain abilities, like how the 7e Wave Serpent can fire its Shield once at the cost of not getting protection for the rest of the game.

For the Riptide, I like the idea of the Nova Reactor being: "Power up one system, that system has to cool off next turn." So the Nova Shield automatically becomes a 3++ for a turn, but it has no Invulnerable on the next turn, etc.

GW has thankfully gotten away from the "dependency=synergy" mindset from when Gav was around. I got to argue with him about that at Nova 2011, back in 5e. His idea of Synergy was "Banshees and a Farseer casting Doom."

I said "that's dependency. Let's say you took two Wave Serpents, because why not? Decent transport [back when they were BS 3] good firepower, lots of utility. Let's say you also took 2 Fire Prisms, because why not.

Give the Serpents Star Engines. They see a Marine unit in the open? Tank Shock them, displace them into a packed formation where they have no cover, use the Star Engines to jump back to safety, and use the Fire Prisms to delete them. *That* is Synergy, taking two units capable of operating on their own in a vacuum and using them to become more than the sum of their parts!"

>>50498025
After NZ pre-orders go up. ETA like 6 hours.

>>50498009
Yeah, they're pretty strong, but I'd rather see all armies brought up to that level than to see the Tau get severely nerfed to bring them back down to a nice mediocre codex.

And also, their weaknesses aren't covered as impeccably as they are for some factions that are simply good at everything (Eldar). Tau still suck at melee, their best melee unit being better used as a sniper hiding in forests. It's just that they have enough toys/mobility to be able to avoid melee through jump shoot jump and effective overwatch. If other dexes had toys that allowed them to get into melee with the Tau they'd be considered a lot less powerful as a codex.

>>50498065
Honestly I'd love to work off of the experimental vibe they've been pushing, have the safe versions exist at a premium on points, and have experimental versions that can genuinely fuck you over if you try and push them.

>>50498041
Depends on your relationship.

I'd prefer painted, even poorly, because it shows genuine effort in the gift versus spending 30 bucks on me

>>50498038
Well first off, a battle congregation is 1 HQ 2 troops so you would either need to add another unit of Kataphron or make it an allied detachment.

Rangers are poo, just straight up poo, get more Vanguard, and you have insanely low AT for a 3000 (Who even plays at 3000 outside of apoc?) point list

>>50498094
>Melee
It's more of a problem with melee in this edition than a flaw with Tau, being butter once engaged doesn't matter when it's this hard to get there.

>>50498065
The cool off is a great idea, and that's a definition for synergy that I'm going to adopt from now on. Thanks anon

>>50498047
10 guardsmen with shotguns sounds like the plot of a black library book. and that's the whole story, like the expendables but set in 40k. one per regiment.

>>50498115
Rolling for charge distance should be removed, overwatch should be removed, and photon (defensive) grenades should be standard and free on Tau units. Basically just revert assault back to 5th edition, plus this still leaves Tau with a nice way to soften the blow of melee units.

>>50497984

IMO they should just cut alliances entirely, at least in a hypothetical version of the ruleset with a competitive aim. It's a balance nightmare, and casual gamers can just houserule alliances.

>>50498200

Rolling for charge is the stupidest fucking thing.

>>50498202
Definitely, alliances make it too easy to cover a faction's weaknesses, and I sincerely doubt the lack of alliance rules ever stopped someone who was bent on making a fluffy allied army in 5th edition.

>>50498220
Yup, if they absolutely wanted it to be random it should have been 6+d6" charge so that assault armies could depend on at least 7" of range, but considering that you could either need to be within loving caress distance already to make the charge or suddenly unleash twice your movement speed is just bizarre.

>>50498094
True, and when I can manage to get some Sicarians into melee I either straight up murder units or tarpit them, and Tau pretty much can't break a tarpit from Fearless Ruststalkers/Infiltrators short of throwing a Stormsurge at them. Even Farsight takes hits at the same time as the Infiltrators and will probably die from the 16 or so saves he has to make. IIRC he is I5 3+? Or is it 2+?

To balance Tau, I would make Supporting Fire only work for Assault or Rapid fire weapons, and salvo at the low number of shots. No template Supp Fire.
Also, cover saves can now be taken against Markerlights, so you have to get through the save the same as Admech phosphor weaponry. That would probably be it, along with the nerf for Stomp I put forward in the last thread. Tl;Dr: stomp does nothing on a 1, 2-6 is AP2 at strength=starting Wounds/HP of the SH/GC, 11+ is D strength.

>>50498202

What about factions like my Adeptus Mechanicus, and Scions, Inquisition and other ally dexes? We'd all be screwed, so just because you dislike Superfriends (which is a bit BS) doesn't mean that my Admech should be halved and my Inquisitor and his friends out of a job. I like Dominus London Underground and his friend Inquisitor Quercus.

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>>50498254
My group let's you take 6" if you don't want to roll but if you do roll you have to stick with it if it's less than 6.
It allows people to gamble if they need/want and doesn't invalidate rerollable bonuses.
Obviously more casual but it removes the stupidity of "oh, my Harlequin troupe stumble 3 inches then got btfo by lasguns without actually moving into combat or anything.

>>50498255

If certain factions need other factions to work, those factions should either be in the same book, or be given more options.

>>50498041

If it will be used for games? Definitely painted.

Even if its the ugliest model in the army it will be the favourite.

Is it possible to Jink and cast psychic powers without penalties? Or Turbo-boost in shooting on a jetbike to cast psychic powers?

>>50498255
If a faction, like the inquisition, that doesn't generally go to war by itself still wants to be represented in other dexes, just print the rules into those dexes. I'm fairly sure we used to have inquisitor rules in both grey knight and sister codexes back in 5th, so just do it again.

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>>50497697
Howdy!

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>>50497933
It's even worse when you consider the psychic power pool that roll on contains strength D shooting attacks.

You are LITERALLY getting strength D, objective secured troops for free.

>>50498358

Exactly. If AdMech and Inquisition need to share units to shore up certain glaring gaps, or for flavor reasons, just print the necessary loan units in the other book.

Open faction mixing is an invitation to disaster.

>>50497671
how riptides can i bring and not be a cunt

>>50498388
At least five. Six if your opponent is playing Eldar.

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Rate my chaos list?

I'm planning out what I should do to expand, I only have the start collecting kit so far and most people here play 1500 lists so I'm planning up to that limit.

The HQs go in the terminator squad.

>>50498381
>>50498358

That seems a little extreme, maybe make the Inq like the 30k Knights Errant? They can be added in as a Hq for any army, but can't find and army on their own.

>>50498388
Only 1 and the game must be 2000 points or more.

>>50498408

What's extreme about it? Worked just fine in 4th/5th - the loan units just went in the codex, IIRC.

I am reading the Fabius novel.

It says that Kor Phaeron and Erebus want h im dead.

It says that Fulgrim has put a bounty on his head.

It says that Angron himself tried to kill him.

What did he do to make all them angry?

>>50498404
>1501 points
Nice try, but you can't slip that past me you filthy cheater.

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>>50498410
What's your point, GW?

>>50498408
Isn't doing it either way basically the same solution but with different formatting?

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>>50498404
>so far and most people here play 1500 lists so I'm planning up to that limit.
>1501 points

I'll give your bait a 3 out of 10

>>50497978
Basically daemons have to 'pretend to be real' so reality doesn't kick them out.
It's why you can burn flamers or poison great unclean ones, because they have to 'pretend' to be normal flesh and blood creatures.

They can 'cheat' to a certain extent and the weaker reality is the more they can 'cheat' hence the invulnerable saves and increases to invulnerable saves when you use their powers to weaken reality.

>>50498388
Entirely depends on the opponents army. One at 1500 is pushing it, and 2 at 2k is pushing it for most armies, but stronger armies can handle that much easily enough.

>>50498425
Maybe you're right. I've only played in 7th, so I don't know how it worked then.
I do like the 30k system of Primary+allied detachment only, though. Makes listing a lot more tactical

>>50498254
Random= fun!

I think we should go one step further and have random range all our weapons each time they fire. Bolters 8d6. Missiles 16 d6.

Random movement too of course. 2d6 for infantry. 4d6 for tanks. 8d6 for skimmers.

Also GW has decided with formations that picking an army list is YAWN boring, so let's do random armies too.

Roll 1d3 for your HQ choice and take whatever one the dice gods decide , then 1d6 from your troop selection etc, , don't have the model ? Too bad buy it or you don't get to play scrub.

Rolling dice is fun too! (ask chaos players)

Just realized I can't even give spawn to my Disc ExSorcs because the detachment doesn't allow Spawn unless you go Warherd, which I won't. Fucking shit, oh well guess that's 150 points saved.

>>50498477
I think you submitted your application to the GW design team in the wrong tab anon.

>>50498404
Flamers are a waste on bikes. Melta or plasma are better.

Terminators and Terminator Lords aren't really worth it.

Look into formations.

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>>50498477

It sure is!

Chaos booms are the only way I have fun anymore!

not even tfw since Thousand Sons don't get grenades.

>>50498410

Eh.

A Blood Thirster doesn't really make use of ballistic weapons, but they have Ballistic Skill 10.

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>>50497880
Played a 2000pt game yesterday against Grey Knights. Almost tabled him and killed both of his Dreadknights in melee and killed all of transports turn two. It was a good day for Grey Knights to die.

>>50498514

Aegis Line :^)

>>50498431
Nice.
I knew that many wants him dead but I haven't known that so many important Chaos persons. Wow impressing.

>>50498525
Why what?

>>50498529
You're not thinking big enough, that bloodthirster should man the eagle of displeasure from the fortress of redemption.

>>50497856

I think the greater issue is GW not using the FAQ to rebalance and adjust points costs.

>>50498475

I'm definitely not opposed to allies in a more casual ruleset if GW does a competitive/casual split. They are definitely a fun mechanic. Just seems like a nightmare to balance for actual competitive play.

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>>50498065

How did Gav respond to you dressing him down?

>>50498431
Probably all the geneseed experiments, trying to clone primarchs, and modifying other Marines.

He's also an asshole that at some point got torture tips from the Dark Eldar.

>>50498546
I think he's talking about the Everwatcher tighty whities

>>50498523

Are those tipped over models casualties or is that your idea of getting into base to base contact?

>>50498065
Fuck this. And it's so rare in 40k, they even adapted out stuff like this in every ruleset iteration.
People explain me that this or that new shining thing encourage "tactics" where what actually happens in a gimmicky combo.

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>>50498065
Riptides are fine, after all they are Tau's TEQ

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>>50498611
Base to base we were kinda rushing by that point and here's my deployment. My gunline being a cinematic bunch of fucks.

>>50498577
Yeah, but that still won't solve the problem of some codexes being flat out better. Even with access to both Admech books and a toolbox of Inquisition-standard psychic crowbars, I struggle to hold my own against Tau, and that's in casual games. Although I'm not sure Riptide+ Stormsurge+ Drone Net at 1250 is "casual". Without allies all tourneys would ever be is "who has the most OP new toy and/or the best Combined Arms Detatchment" if you axe formations too. Much as Imperial side shenanigans is BS, the other Top 4 slots are Tau, Eldar and Daemons, and they don't often take allies, I've noticed.

>>50498658
>Broadsides
fify

>>50498668
>Casual
As a Tau player, no it is not at all casual.

>>50498373
Christ on a bicycle the warp is filled with these fuckers. How has kaldor draigo lasted this long.

>>50498404
Dump the Lord, put havoc launchers on your rhinos, think about dumping the Cultists as that many points buys you a nice HS, dump the Power Weapons and Flamers on the Bikers for 2x melta on one and 2x plasma on the other. Raptors are shit, give your havocs a transport. consider a Land Raider, memes aside they're a handy firebase that happily sits in the middle of the board and when paired with the havocs will absolutely slag a target

>>50498633
I meant "Fuck, this, absolutely this"

>>50498693
Well, fuck that guy for beating my newbie army with Jink and GtG, which is outright illegal at this point. Didn't help the Stormsurge tanked 18 Grav wounds without losing one Wound.
Next one, Im borrowing a friend's Knight Warden and dropping a WarConvo on him as revenge.

Ah well, no big deal.

>>50498410
He's got an oracle eye he can aim without depth perception. Besides, boltguns work the same back then as they do now. Aim, pull the trigger, and check if your target is pulp yet. Repeat as necessary.

>>50498727
>how did draigo_____
He's motherfucking Draigo that's how

>>50498514
what about that sweet whip.

>>50498760
Hey, I'm not the one who made it, tell GW.

>>50498727
You forget the Ordo Draigo, anon.

The warp is filled with hundreds of Kaldor Draigos, each one allied with each other, sworn to slay Daemons.

>>50498583
I don't remember him saying much after that. I think he looked at me askew, like I'm some sort of madman, and got back to the whole "seeing an awful lot of mech at this event."

He admitted that with the 4e chaos codex, they got too carried away streamlining and they should at least have allowed "lesser Daemons" and "greater Daemons" to take Marks.

It was a funny event. The funniest thing was watching Dash of pepper's Venomspam come across Njal's Chain Lightning. "He does WHAT now?" And in the final match, Tony versus Blackmoor, Draigo and half his Paladin deathstar was killed by a well-placed Jaws of of the Worldwolf (and I imagine Draigo falling down a pit going "Nooooooooo")

>>50497933
It's literally broken. And not in a "well this seems undercosted" way, but in a "40k no longer properly functions as a game" kinda way. Changes need to be made one way or another.

>>50498065

That's actually a really good way of doing the Nova Reactor, I like it.

Or, have whatever you powered up cool off the next turn UNLESS it takes a wound, no saves or FNP allowed whatsoever, to keep the previous fluff for the Nova Reactor being dangerous. You can choose either to have a 5++ consistently, get the 3++ and no shields the next turn, or a 3++ and a 5++ the next turn but you automatically take damage for overloading the reactor.

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>>50498786
that explains how Draigo is Slaanesh's bitch but somehow also still wandering the warp uncorrupted.

>>50498818
On the bright side, GW seems to be looking at player feedback (as seen by removing the jinking makes the guys inside snapshoot from the FAQ), so if enough people tell GW they fucked up (which they did) then they'll remedy it.
Hopefully.

Would 40k imperials be able to deal with the thing form "The Thing"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFGm__skOH4

>>50498856
Also explains each Kaldor Draigo in a GK army. After all, he is a Unique Character.

:^)

>>50498668

If certain codexes are mandating the use of allies for other factions, those codexes need to be nerfed heavily, full stop.

>>50498878
Apologies for the playback issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYepXJu031E

>>50498878
Yes.

>>50498878
>>50498901

>2011 version

Anon that's double heresy.

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>>50498410

>GW shitposting about their own ruling

Soon they will shitpost >I2 melee orks

>>50498940
They already have.

We found out they're really fired up.

>>50498940
>nobs in a 'naut

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>Orks are a melee race!
>I2

>>50498410
>4e IG codex
>Sergeant Kell has BS5 (highest in the codex)
>no ranged weapon

>>50498462

This sounds like headcanon to me but i actually quite like this explanation. Bravo, anon.

So with Blood Bowl back out and Space Hulk coming tomorrow, are they good enough that someone with little prior experience with them could enjoy them as games and not just discounted models?

Would they be good to get people into Warhammer in general?

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I was considering making an IG list with the theme of an armoured fist reconnaissance company with attached tanks.

Make a list with something like 1 CCS in Chimera, 4 Veterans (2 Melta, 2 Plasma) in Chimera and 4 Salamander Scouts at about 1000pts.

Then add a couple of Leman Russes at 1500pts and 1750/1850pts.I know Salamanders aren't the best but I rather like them. Would this be a good idea or am I going to be fucked royally?

My plan was to have the salamanders forward trying to remove enemy transports and generally slow the enemy down while the rest of the troops move forward to support them if they survive. Trying to have some flexibility with vets so that I can take objectives and also kill enemy armour.

>>50498352
Jink only effects psychic powers with a shooting profile, which snap fire if you jinked.

Turbo boosting happens in the shooting phase, which is after psychic, and so doesn't effect psychic powers at all. You cannot turbo boost before using psychic powers, as you would be skipping your psychic phase.

>>50499094
I agree. I will also draw parallels to Lucid Dreaming. You can to really concentrate to stay in this "new dimension" and exert your will upon it but the moment you trip over that fine line (easily, very fickle), you get shunted back to your home reality.

>>50499185
So essentially you could "jump shoot jump" with psykers on bikes or jetbikes?

Is anyone else having an issue with battle scribe? Its not giving me the option to choose a force type in addition to the army and now I can't tinker with any 40k lists.

>>50499217
Yep.
Jetbikes of course being better due to 24-36" (If you're Eldar) vs 12" on bikes.

It's great.

>>50499134
Yes. They're both very solid games.

Feel No Pain for Death Company Squads is 5+ correct?
That's the same for the FNP given by being in a unit with a Narthecium right?
I originally read FNP was 4+ but after reading the rules again I notice it's actually 5+. Do I get a 4+ FNP for my DC squad and unit with Narthecium or is it 5+?

>>50498041
The fun part is painting it

>>50498940
>Gw already shitpost about orks a lot

Every time they give us something we lost to a new release.

>>50499237
I'm having the same issue

>>50498792
>dashofpepper
That guy is a colossal piece of monkeyshit.

Just realized the ES beam from their tower is S9 so it can't instant death the wolves cavalry and isn't barrage so they'll always get their 3++ from the shields out in front

>>50499240
Thanks Anon. I'm trying to weigh in the options between using Sorcs of ExSorcs.

Sorc on Bike, Spell Familiar, MoT and ML2 is 135 each, gains 1T and allows me to take shit like a DP flier and more dudes in a 2K game but the ExSorcs (205 a pop) give me 1 more BS and Wound, a free beam attack, access to more disciplines and a more mobile mount. Fearless and better Invuln too.

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>>50497758
Yes, Filth for Mars!

>>50499177
why not play the armored detachment in IA1 ?
makes your tanks a hell of a lot more versatile and fits perfectly with the fluff of your army

>>50499217
Yup. The previous Eldar codex had a Relic called the Mantle of the Laughing God, which removed Independent Character from its bearer, but gave it Stealth, Shrouded, rerollable cover saves, and Hit & Run.

Farseers could also Summon. So 140 points or so got you a 3-wound easy-to-hide Jetbiker that was effectively immune to shooting if you didn't have Ignores Cover, and could move 12, cast Guide, Psychic Shriek, and/or Summoning, then turbo 36"...in the same turn! And if he suffered from Perils? Spend one spare Warp Charge and you didn't even lose a wound.

It was pretty insane to be honest. While Eldar getting the D and Scatbikes/flickerjumping Spiders is horrid, I would honestly rather face that than S7 super-Serpents, Monofilament that adds +1 to Strength vs vehicles, and Swooping Hawks that didn't need an Exarch for no-scatter Deepstrike...

Me? I play Chaos. Blue Scribes is the "budget" version of that unholy summon-seer.

>>50497856
If everyone's power level is mediocre, nobody is mediocre.

People whine about Wrath of Magnus because it took a bottom tier subfaction of a bottom-tier faction and gave them a very, very mediocre upgrade that left them in bottom tier. Nobody would be whining about Wrath of Magnus if it had come out alongside a nerfing that brought everything down to Thousand Sons (the unit)'s level.

>>50498514

Last time I played against a bloodthirster it was more efficient for.him.to fly around and use his anti tank gun than land where he would just immediately get killed because CC is worthless in 40k.

>>50499286
5+. FNP doesn't stack unless explicitly stated.

Whats the cheapest way to get warp charges with Daemon allies? Herald of Tzeentch ML1 with Summoning and 10 Brimstone horrors with Summoning?

Are Brimstone horrors psykers?

>>50499412
Actually...everyone would be whining. Because when 7e came out, people went "GW is bringing back balance" because of the numerous nerfs to certain things that didn't need nerfing (those poor Killa Kans), only for GW to introduce the Decurion and then give Eldar the D...

>>50499341
He was insufferable. He did have a sense of humor about him (his old "Necron Assault Tactica" is an amusing read) but he was hilariously egotistical about his own ability as a seal-clubber.

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Who else hates these commies?
I mean fluff-wise, not just game-wise.

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>>50499512
I just wanted to be ultra triple doubly sure because I thought it was 4+, realized it was 5+, told my friend "oh shit dude I've been doing it wrong" and then he was like "I just read it's 4+".
Going to play a match against him tomorrow, maybe try to implement some cover so he can finally use something other than his daemon's 5++ for all wounds. Although Shroud gives 2+ to cover saves right? So a 4+ cover save becomes a 2+ save? I guess I'll make them 6+ cover saves so he gets 4+ cuz giving all his daemons 2+ saves might lead to a rape, not that he doesn't deserve to overwhelmingly win since I've won virtually every game I've played against him and I can tell he's fairly disappointed in CSM and even his Nurgle daemons some times. He just got a few beasts and shit though so this next game might be a doozy.

>>50499602
Every player not a Tau player?

>>50497856
So sick of this strawman and I don't even fucking play Chaos.

Just because people are upset they got a DOGSHIT release doesn't mean they were asking for fucking eldar-tier stuff. There is a solid mid-tier level that makes people very happy - see Skitarii.

>>50499544
How is GW failing to balance the game and people whining evidence that people would whine if they DID fix the game's balance?

>>50499513
They are, we just don't know how many charges they give you. I'm assuming 1 WC for 10 and more after, but I'm not sure. I really want more scans so I can finalize my lists, I'm pretty fucking low on charges here, got 10 at 1866 at the moment.

>>50499634
Eh, SkitMech players took the hit to Warconvo Pod lists pretty hard.

>>50499649
The tourney players did. I admit to not wanting to buy some pointless blood angels and some plastic cones just to move my Skitarii about.
Also that was our great counter to shit like Samm-Hain and Gundamtau. Wouldn't the Nids be salty if Flyrants were nerfed?
Yeah, I know they are in a vastly worse position, so sorry nids.
WarConvo is IMO the most restrictive and unfun decurion in the game. I wish theyd just given us a normal one.

people bitching about thousand sons terminators.

you do know that you can still play regular terminators (you just cant play the detatchment but use a regular CAD) give them mark of tzeentch, WotlW for free and give them any loadout you want? add a sorceror/exhalted sorceror and they STILL get the +1 on the invulnerable save.

same goes for cultist, havocs, regular CSM and even obliterators etc.

you just cannot use units with marks that are not tzeentch.

>>50499367
>makes your tanks a hell of a lot more versatile

How?

>>50499649
Skitarii =/= War Convo, and just because some WAACfaggots whined about it doesn't mean most people who play the faction aren't still extremely satisfied with them.

>>50499602
well, aside from the auxiliaries they take, everyone. necrons hate everyone, tyranids wanna eat everyone, imperium obviously hates tau, eldar hate everyone who isn't an eldar, deldar wanna rape and murder everyone, chaos don't really register them due to their near non-existent psychic presense, chaos space marines would kill them as an annoying object in the way of corrupting planets, orks wanna fight and kill everything. Nobody really likes the tau but the tau.

>>50499682
>people bitching about faction X
>did you know that you could just not paly X
Thanks for the input, Einstein.

>>50499694
B E A S T H U N T E R

Honestly fuck those things.

>>50499412

I think the Exalted Sorcerers, the Scarab Occult Terminators, the relics and the legion tactics are all pretty exciting and are at least fairly costed compared to their equivalents in other armies. There will definitely be some good builds available to the Thousand Sons.

But the basic rubrics are supposed to be the poster boys of the Thousand Sons, and they still get trashed point for point by lasguns. Sad.

>>50499705
Actually, the Silent King said that he doesn't hate humanity. In fact, he wishes for them to survive and become vassals of the Necrons.

>>50499713
Anything else?

>>50499732
Didn't the Silent King talk to Sanguinius about teaming up and killing the tyranids?

>>50499513
Horrors (Pink, Blue, and Brimstone) can't generate from Daemonology.

Heralds can.

10×BSH (Brimstone Horrors) give 1 WC and cost 30pts - or .033 WC per Point

Heralds cost 45/70/95 pts for 1/2/3 WC
Or .022/.029/.032 WC per Point

But given that Heralds have access to Daemonology (and can cast on 5 dice via Paradox, 25pts) and/or take a Portalglyph for a 50% chance for an additional WC per Turn (30pts)

I'd say Heralds win.

>>50499602
Like 5th edition fluff they were still fine for me. When the giant blobs of giluns un legs started coming and they started rolfstomping the imperium i jumped ship to the only real man among those blueskins. To this day i only have regular suits some infantry and skimmers.

>>50499732
well yes, but they certainly don't LIKE humanity. Or the tau, for that matter. Though It would be a delicious twist of fate for the Tau to end up serving another empire.

>>50499682
Agreed, but the TS detachment bonuses are actually pretty nice, so that part sucks a bit.

My problem is my regular terminators never got anything done, ever. So I'm actually really open to trying these new Scarab Occult and see what they do in my meta.

>>50499706
how about reading the wrath of magnus book? you still play a thousand son detatchment with all rules aswell as relics etc.

you just dont use the detatchment. that is all

/40kg/ it's music time.
>IG and or any Fire warrior/commander
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd8-hID99fI

>>50499682

Compared to regular Chaos Terminators with Mark of Tzeentch, Scarab Occult termies only cost 4 more points per model, and get AP3 bolters + fearless.

The main problem with the Scarab Occult guys is they are overspecialized for beating standard power armor, and have min squad size 5. And of course the fact that they are Terminators, and therefore not meta at the moment.

The Sekhmet Conclave formation is really good, imo. 2+/3++ T5 at 40 ppm is no joke. But you have to take lascannon predators or forgefiends as your auxiliary choice, so you don't get stomped by other heavy armor.

>>50499767
Forgot to mention:
If the new Herald formation rumors are correct, each one generates +1 WC
Being .044/.043/.042 WC/point

Aka mass Herald formations of PM1 Heralds would be the most efficient for Daemon Factory lists.

My flgs is selling assassins for £10 each. I was thinking of getting the culexus one to use with my tau to deal with psykers are any of the others worth picking up?

>>50499744
I think you can get 4HP Leman Russes with BS4

Other than that, I don't know. I was the anon you originally replied to.

All I know is that Beasthunter Rounds fuck me sideways.

>>50499841
wasn't*

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>>50499831
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-dkwpAUzdQ

>>50499861
I can't get their singing of Red Sun out of my head.

>>50499833
still as the special rules indicate, all the boni like blessing of tzeentch carry over to a regular CAD.

in a regular CAD (or just the formation) you can still play scarab occult termiantors. the only thing you miss out on is the detatchment bonus of reroll warlord trait, reroll perils aswell as casting one more power than your original powerlevel.

regular terminators with mark of tzeentch cost 36 points (VotlW is free). they also have the 4++ and with a added sorceror casting a blessing (force for example) they also gain blessing of tzeentch to get the 3++. they lack the AP 3 bolters but have powerweapons, which is way, way better than powerswords simply.

>>50499831
>Thousand Sons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKqj9e0QGHQ

>>50499831
>>50499861
What the hell is this faggy shit

Want to base my miniatures as though on a snow ice death world. Other than blizzard what's a good way about this? Grass then paint it rather skull white?

>>50499906
/v/, its in the fucking title.

>>50499909
Skip the snow, it always looks shit unless expertly done.

Go more ice world and blue rocks.

>>50499883

Yes. Scarab Occult are overspecialized, as I said.

On the flip side, getting a ML2 sorcerer as their sergeant can compensate this a little. Roll Biomancy against other MEQ, roll Pyromancy against hordes, roll Telepathy against cheese lists, roll Heretech against vehicles, and if you get a bad power you can always just swap for the Primaris.

Regular Chaos Terminators are still probably a better pick overall, a Terminator Annihilation Force with a sorcerer in free TDA and the Thousand Sons legion tactics is more versatile and costs less points than the Sekhmet Conclave.

What adress do i mail rule questions to nowadays?

Recent GW activities gives me a 0,02% chance to get my rule conundrums answered, best chance in amost a decade.

>>50499831
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>>50499926
>First song is not /v/ and is still faggy shit.
>Even if it was vanilla Rules of Nature it'd still be faggy shit.

>>50499889
While I like hyper weebshit, it's not TS.

This is TS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXdkbWYZP1g

Raiders with 10 warriors or venoms with 5?

>>50499971
the psykers in the book still suffer from the disatvantage to at least have to roll 1 power on their god. so hoping for that is rather.. meh

however you can still play both back to back. regular CSM with sorc (or just cast a blessing on them with a sorc which everybody plays anyway) aswell as scarab occult terminators.

>>50500002
I was talking more about the lyrics of the song desu, translated they're quite in line with sorcery generally.

http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/aoex/corepride.htm

>>50500014

Yeah, you could probably run both formations as a Chaos Deathwing build. Annihilation Force hunts vehicles while the Sekhmet Conclave hunts infantry and enjoys their swole Toughness 5.

>>50497671
>No GSC in OP's image...

>>50500039
i like that they kept the ability to play regular CSM units except for the ones with other marks. while still beeing able to get the advantages of the thousand son book

Come to think of it, deep striking Scarab Occult Terminators with the Heavy Warpflamer kill eldar jetbike cheese like none other. Especially if you rolled Breath of Chaos or Treason of Tzeentch on the Sorcerer.

>>50500100
They're planning for the right time

I don't play Tyranids, but I've always been slightly disappointed that games against them don't live up to the apocalyptic tone of the fluff, it really seems like an army that should be have very different play style to the norm.

I was thinking something like removing all the moral rules from Synapse and just making non synaptic units fearless, synaptic units have leadership values but are stubborn. ALL non-synaptic units gain "without numbers" or whatever the name of the rule that allows units to respawn is, provided there is at least one synaptic unit on the board. I'd imagine you'd have to make non-synaptic creatures non-scoring also.

Would that be possible to balance? Like I said I don't play the army so Tyranid players feel free to tell me to go fuck myself.

>>50500100
No knights, either. it's easily an older version, but since Sisters and Grey Knights and Scions and whatever no longer deserve their own Codex, several shits need to be removed from the image anyway. Only legit factions qualify.

>>50499988
Magos, why?

Clear chat, incoming leaks. Every Post you make I will hold off another 5 minutes from giving you information.

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>>50500230
+5, don't black mail me you cunt.

>>50499602
I just don't get how they're still around. The Imperium in the past has wiped out hundreds of species of similar size and tech levels to the last man, woman, and child. How is it these blue fucks have managed to hold the Imperium off?

If I hear my local Tau player say "Muh Art of War" one more time I might have to strangle him.

>>50499831
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQLb3aq-xs4
Tau

>>50500248
Plot Armour.

>>50499753
It was a lie fabricated to fool the Blood Angels.

But he did genuinely admire Sanguinius.

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>>50500230
Fuck you. I will 2hu-post just to spite you.

So can I interchangeably use rules from IA? I like their cheaper chimeras

>>50498940

Not sure they'd want to get the Ork players fired up about that....

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>>50500230

>>50499744
>>50499841
coax mounted heavy stubbers
15 points for it and if it hits what you're shooting at you gain twin linked on your main gun is the other big one

>>50500281
Only if you play ITC and you're a cunt.

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>>50500230
Fuck you, i'll do what i want

>>50500248
The two times the Imperium gave a fuck the Tau won and the rise of Tau is just in time for the Imperium to get fucked in all its holes, Armaggeddon, 13th black crusade, tyranids arriving en masse, Ultramarines getting fucked up, Necrons arriving. Simply put the Imperium has its ass full and the Tau are a minor threat so instead of focusing on sending stronger crusades the Imperium just left them to their devices and focus on surviving the gangbang of the end times.

>>50500230

pics or bullshit!

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>Favourite fluff are DE and Necrons in fluff and crunch
How's my taste?

What are your favourite army(ies) anon?

>>50500248
Advanced technology, genius level tactics, and Imperial incompetence.

It's like the Ta are the only small race that beat off the Imperial clumsy attempts at xenocide. The Zygo race was been beating back constant Imperial invasions for 500 years. The Imperium just sucks when it comes to war, truefax

>>50500230

I'm eager for leaks, but piss right the fuck off with that attitude.

>>50500230
Give me Emperor's Children leaks and I won't spoil it for the rest of you people :^)

>>50500325
It's not like*

>>50500328
Okay, I will take my leaks to a well known forum then.

>>50500349

Have fun!

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>>50500320

Dark Eldar for life! i like the fluff and the crunch though they could really use some more firepower and different vehicles.

Who is more chinky, Tau or White Scars/Jaghatai Khan?

>>50500275

The Tau are Weeaboo, the White Scars are literally Space Asians.

>>50500248
Weebs buy tau cause "Muh Gundam", and it's hard to sell models of a faction that no longer exists.

So I guess the answer is "because people keep buying them".

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>>50500328
WHAT IS THERE EVEN TO LEAK RIGHT NOW

>>50500376

Mongolians aren't Chinese so I'd go with Tau, although Tau are super weeb chinks.

>>50500325
2 much b8 m8.

You blew your whole load on the first paragraph. Pace yourself next time.

>>50500406
Traitor legion

>>50497697
I NEED THAT LEGO

>>50500406
He's talking about the imperial agents leak, which has the new sisters of battle in.

Brace your self for disappointment before you read it.

>>50500436

Meh, the new sisters aren't out until later. This is just a weird supplement for allying shit from.

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>>50500248
some backwater planet with advanced alien tech are not important when the orks, nids and chaos are actively killing tons

>>50500320
they're okay. i like weekend warrior guardian eldar and slaanesh daemons. one army ignores most of the rules of the game, the other deals with it by unrelenting force.

>>50500005

Raiders are more durable now with the jink changes and put out more damage up close, but die to ignores cover.

Venoms have more range and a smaller profile but also a smaller HP pool and is a little faster overall because they don't have to stay slow for the passengers.

>>50500433
OH. WHO EVEN CARES ABOUT CSM? GOING FROM GETTING KEKED BY EMPEROR TO GETTING KEKED BY A CHAOS GOD, WOW LOOK HOW FAR YOU'VE COME, BIG WHOOP

>>50497801
>(you)

>>50500461
They're important, but they're a long term threat rather than a short term threat.

>>50500430
What bait? Read Kauyon and Mont'ka. The Imperials, the Cadians to be specific, outnumbered many many many many times over. And guess what? The Imperials got brutally wrecked in the ground war. The Imperials had tons of advantages but they couldn't seize on them and lost.

Stop being triggered and actually engage in a conversation. oh wait...you can't cause the fluff is not on the side of your facorite army.

Who else whould like to see the deldar pay the tau a visit in the lore? I would just like to see the tau kind of warfare try themselves against such a slippery foe. Im afraid black library will just turn it into a blue skin fanwank. But giving neither side plot armour should prove interesting, right?

>‘And so we will, when we are safe aboard the Vesalius,’ Bile said, rubbing a spot of blood from Igori’s cheek with his thumb. ‘More than once I have questioned the Emperor’s wisdom in bestowing his gifts upon but one half of the human race. For in man, as in all beasts, the female is the deadlier of the species. You are a thing of furious beauty, my dear, and never let anyone tell you different.’

-Fabius Bile

Fabius Bile has a point. Why did the Emperor choose only males to be SPESS? The whole "geneseed doesn't work on females bit" got disproved by Fabius. He implanted geneseed (a toned down version of it) into females and produced stable results.

So was the Emperor sexist?

>>50500540
What the fuck is in that new book?

Also, fuck off black library.

>>50500518
Its happened.

>>50500518
Are you baiting, a underage newfah, or genuinely so retarded that you missed about the whole "cultural exchange" thing?

>>50500540
>a toned down version of it

Are you retarded? The answer is right there. It's also probably easier to use a male's genes to implant in a male. The emperor was MALE.

Not to mention all that shit is BL garbage anyway.

>>50500501
Not that anon you're fighting with but thise books are retarded. No offence but that newer tau fluff is pure fanwank. If the imprium really sucked that hard they would not have lasted 10000 years. So you're right according to those books but those books are retarded.

>>50500563
>>50500562
It was fucking hilarious.

>>50499831
Alpha Legion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs6lMLTpg6g

>>50498388
1 if 1500 or more, 2 if ~2000 or more, never 3

>>50500540

Thr emperor only uplifted one gender as a further safeguard against space marines ditching humanity to go do their own thing.

As to why only men instead of only women, who knows. maybe sexism, sure. maybe something else.

>>50500501
The Imperials are too busy with actual threats to be bothered to properly crush the tau.

>>50500569
I am not defending the books or anything. I am just stating things according to what was shown in the lore to answer anons question.

So don't call my answers bait.

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>>50500593
Actually, the Imperials got serious with the Tau and sent a fuck ton of troops and resources to crush them once and for all.

The tank battle that took place on MB was one of the largest tank battles ever fought by the Imperium.

>>50500597
>So don't call my answers bait

He literally said he was not the person you were talking to you, you dumbass. And no, I'm not him or the original guy either.

>>50497840
>They need to get in range
Paying 250 points to move a dedicated shooting unit up 6” is an awful idea. Just hoof it or use psychic powers. Hell, even just deep striking them would be better than the Land Raider.

>My friend will never kill them all
You’re wildly overestimating the durability of T4 3+ against small-arms fire, and it’s not like he has to kill all of them. They don’t have ObSec and their offensive output, for a 426 point unit is pretty shitty. You’d be much better off with MSU squads in Rhinos or even just on foot.

>That's the point. He can already move 12", this way he also make someone else move 12" too. It makes the rubric blob not slow as shit.
Putting it on a foot sorcerer diversifies your threats and adds a little bit of versatility (since he can always use the Book to join up with a different unit that’s further away).

>So I get more bodies, more charges and more Silver Tower bombardments and psychic potential
Fewer higher mastery level Sorcerers nets you more Warp Charge per point spent than spamming ML2 guys.

>Normal Sorc with the same kit as ExSorc is 20 points less with a shittier statline, fewer psychic disciplines and no free bombardment
Normal Sorcerer is missing Divination, which you generally won’t be rolling on, and Telekinesis, which you definitely won’t be rolling on. He still has all the good disciplines. An ML3 Sorcerer with Familiar and Mark of Tzeenth is 140. An ML3 Exalted Sorcerer with Familiar is 200. If he’s not going to be going into melee and dueling shit, the sixty points for a single S9 AP2 lance blast.

Summoning with non-Daemons is still awfully risky for such expensive casters. If you’re definitely going to be summoning, work in an allied Daemon detachment from the get-go, or bring a Daemon Prince.

how many warp charges should a 2K TS army have sans magnus.

I have 6 Psykers. 2 are ML1, 4 are ML2.

>>50500540
New Chaos Space Marine kit will have female head options confirmed.

>>50500568
The toned down version is because Bile doesn't want the females to go full Space Marines. He was created a "New Man" his perfected version of the human race.

Him pondering why the Emperor didn't uplift females into SPESS indicates that it can be done. He is after all the best expert of geneseed around.

>>50500592
But aren't SPESS sterile by design?

>>50500563
Im sorry but to my surprise i nver saw that piece of lore. I dont know how but i missed it. Thanks for the info though, it was a funny story. Try to moderate your tone a little.

>>50500637
I know. That statement wasn't for him. It was for all in general. Chill out, dorkius.

>>50499831
>Grey Knights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwP4vSfjygY

>>50500667
No. I hate newfags and casual. They ruin EVERYTHING

>>50500648
8 is way, way too few. Post your list so we can tell you where you fucked up and you can get defensive about your stupid choices and refuse to improve the list.

>>50500665

Because females are shit soldiers. The Emperor wanted an army of soldiers, not a bunch of assassins.

The fact that you can't distinguish the fact that Fabius's fedora lines about females being the deadlier sex is just a trope is further proof why BL is garbage and its readers are illiterate and uneducated.

>>50500665
>But aren't SPESS sterile by design?

>this thing happening would be a disaster and all our work would be undone
>only onr safeguard is enough though, don't worry about it

I want to collect Imp Guard but skin looks to be a hard to paint

What should I do?

>>50500540
>For in man, as in all beasts, the female is the deadlier of the species.
You'd think an apothecary like fabulous bill would know enough about human biology to know that's the exact opposite of true. Biologically speaking, males are more fit for stuff like fighting and warfare.
Perhaps if he had actually learned basic human biology, he'd be done with his "new man" by now

>>50500644
Took you long enough, jesus man.

>Land Raider
It'd go flat out, so 12" a turn. Plus, I have a Land Raider model and I want to use it..
>Rubrics
He doesn't have small arms fire. This is the only way they'd be fieldable as MSU would be even more expensive thanks to those dogshit AspSorcs..
>Sorc with book
Point, I will consider this
>Higher ML
Also point taken. I've since changed my ExSorcs to normal ones to save on points, against my will. It DID allow me to put in a winged Tzeentchian DP with ML1 to serve as a flier and possible summoner though.

>>50500689
Not Deathwatch?

>>50500693
Dude, im a pretty die hard warhammer fan, dont give me that shit about casual. Furthermore i've been a fan and collecting since 2008 so im hardly a newfag. I just missed one piece of lore somehow.

>>50500734
skin isn't that hard , it's quite easy to

>>50500734
Skin isn't any harder to paint than fabric. If you think it is, you'll probably paint the rest of them like shit too. Just watch some tutorials, thin your paints, use washes, and get gud.

>>50500718
>Because females are shit soldiers.

Not in the Imperium.

50% of the IG are women. Also we have the Sisters of Silence and Sisters of Battle both elite warriors, the former especially so.

Geneseed makes anyone a super trooper regardless of what they were before, provided that they survive the implementation and tests.

The females being left behind for SPESS is bafflingly. Almost as baffling as why the Emperor made an all female pariah fighting force.

>>50500743
Nah, this is Deathwatch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyz_2DEah4o

>>50500735
Deadliness is more than brute force.

>>50500768

The sisters of silence are female becuase only blanks have the psychic resistance to survive sex with him.

It's a little uncomfortable to be in their null field, but not as uncomfortable as the girl screaming then exploding.

>>50500470
the difference is that the chaos gods are giving them stuff. whereas the emperor already gave them stuff, so they're done with him.

>>50500768
>50% of the imperial guard are women

Nope. Some regiments are female, some are mixed. They're a small minority although maybe a bit more present then in our military today over all.

>>50500768
>orphans trained from birth in power armor that probably costs more than a guardsman will ever make in a lifetime
>mutants that can turn themselves invisible or induce pure terror into some one by simply looking at them , also trained from birth

>>50500689
Intro was well animated, but what the hell is that bland as fucking song? Hell, I watched this cartoon all the damn time when I was a kid, and I have zero memory of that tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAkL2-vh2Sk
Take this shit for example. Amazeballs.

>>50500738
>Tzeentchian DP with ML1 to serve as a flier and possible summoner though.
Has to waste his roll on Change, so he won't be summoning anything but salt.

>He doesn't have small arms fire. This is the only way they'd be fieldable as MSU would be even more expensive thanks to those dogshit AspSorcs..
If he doesn't have enough small arms fire to fuck up a handful of T4 3+ bodies at 2000 points, he's even worse at building a list than you.

>It'd go flat out, so 12" a turn. Plus, I have a Land Raider model and I want to use it..
That's 520 points in your army that is doing nothing for at least the first turn. Just deep strike them at that point. If you're going to take it regardless of it being a useless piece of shit, just say that. Don't waste our time pretending that it's a defensible choice.

I know your pain of wishing to crush your enemies beneath the treads of the great ceramite shoebox, but it's just not feasible. It's way too expensive for use as a dedicated transport, and it's offensive output is crap for the price, and it can't do both at once. Loyalist Land Raiders are shit, and they at least have higher capacity versions and PotMS.

>>50500768
>Not in the Imperium.
Yes in the imperium
>50% of the IG are women.
[citation needed]
>Also we have the Sisters of Silence and Sisters of Battle both elite warriors, the former especially so.
Both of those groups aren't exactly a normal human, as SoS are blanks and both have power armor
>Geneseed makes anyone a super trooper regardless of what they were before, provided that they survive the implementation and tests.
And women can't survive that, despite what fabulous bill said. He's using a toned down version of geneseed
>The females being left behind for SPESS is bafflingly.
No it isn't. Men are naturally better at warfare than women. That's just a fact
>Almost as baffling as why the Emperor made an all female pariah fighting force
You wouldn't create a haram of bald females if you could? What a faggot

>>50500768
>50% of the IG are women.
Now you are just pulling stuff out of your ass. There are women in the guard, but they are still strongly outnumbered.

>>50500768

Women will never be Marines because the strongest, toughest, most vicious deathworld female will always be weaker and less capable than the strongest, toughest, most vicious male, and Marines recruit only from the best of the best of the best.

>>50500793
Not in traditonal western war it ain't.
Assymetical warfare is for sissies :^)

>>50500829
>>mutants that can turn themselves invisible or induce pure terror into some one by simply looking at them , also trained from birth

There are male pariahs with the same powers. Why did the Emperor choose only female pariahs? Hmmm? Because of what Fabius said most likely. If only he applied that to the Space Marines.

>>50500621
>tau fanwank straight up paints tau and ig as equals

>>50500734
DUNCAN
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A
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So, any basic leasks for Spiky Spacemen yet??

>>50500844
That's the intro I remember on Kids WB. I didn't like the show too much, but now that I'm older and my music tastes have changed. I fucking love the song.

This one was one of my favorites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjI0TdvVbqI

>Fabius Bile is a reprehensible monsters whose inhumanity makes even the rest of his monstrous allies pause
>spouts feminist propaganda
Really makes you think.

>>50500905

I chuckled.

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>>50500880

YOU HAVE SUMMONED THE ETERNAL DUNCAN

WHAT IS YOUR WISH?

>>50500718
Most of the sober studies actually show that women soldiers are way more driven, tend to be better at ignoring pain and staying levelheaded under pressure, but that they do often tend to be physically weaker. They make for good combatants if they aren't in a melee but can't haul as much gear by weight. Good foxholers, bad hikers.

But since gear is literally 90% of a soldier in a modern army, being able to carry more shit is an important quality, too.

>>50500926
Emergency FAQ that Tzeentch Psykers no longer have to roll on Change.

>all of these sexists
Holy shit, is this 1950s?

Now listen fucktards. If you take away the cultural conditioning, women are just as good at anything men can do, both physically and mentally. In fact, more and more evidence points to the fact that they are slightly better than men at most things, including science, warfare, you name it.

>>50500926
Duncan! I offer you repeating digits in exchange for the ability to paint better!

>>50500943
>In fact, more and more evidence points to the fact that they are slightly better than men at most things, including science, warfare, you name it.

What evidence?

>>50500820
You citing the Cain novel? I thought he said female only regiments are rare.

>>50500850
>Yes in the imperium

Nope, the Imperium recruits men and females.

>[citation needed]

IG codex says men and women of the Guard. There is no mention of them preferring males over females.

Heck, in "Only War" you get to play a female member of any regiment. Cadian, Catachan, etc. There are even female commissars.

>And women can't survive that, despite what fabulous bill said.

You are not the expert, he is. If women cannot survive he wouldn't have pondered why the Emperor choose not to.

>Both of those groups aren't exactly a normal human, as SoS are blanks and both have power armor

SoB are notmal humans

SoS are blanks and there are male blanks. The Emperor choose females only.

>No it isn't. Men are naturally better at warfare than women. That's just a fact

Again, not in the Imperium. They can be trained and made better.

>You wouldn't create a haram of bald females if you could? What a faggot

The Emperor is into practicality, though, not personal glory or pleasure.

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>>50500926

A hot girl's panties!

>50500943
Your shitty bait doesn't even deserve a (You)

>>50500844
>Hell, I watched this cartoon all the damn time when I was a kid, and I have zero memory of that tune

Sounds like you got neuralyzed.

>>50500885
All Death Guard units get FNP 5+. Units that previously had FNP get +1 to the roll.

>>50500848
>Wasted on Tzeentch discipline
Yeah, considering giving him ML2 for that reason. Come to think of it I think I'm better off upping all MLs instead of getting like 5x10 Brimstone Horrors for WCs.. 5 points cheaper each too.

he fields Black Templars usually, half mechanized with vindis, razorbacks, dreads and a land raider. Will add some land speeders and such soon too. My friends don't list-tailor (last time my Ork friend fucked him up royally, and the other guys' BT beat my infantry Tau). We field models we like and follow fluff mostly.

I know what you're saying about the LR, I know it's shit but I want to make a TS army using the new rules that allows me to field as many of the models I have for them. I have a normal army and I'm not kidding myself about if CSM or TS are competitive, I literally just want to be able to field the models I spent money on without feeling guilty I never use them anymore. Same reason why I'm not buying anything else.

>>50500905
>Emps, glorious and wise father of Mankind, declares that only males can be made into Astartes
>Vile blaspheming Mengele-wannabe heretic disagrees
Really elicits the use of one's cognitive faculties.

>>50500968
Mean.

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>>50500863
Then explain how the Geneseed implanted female was the Alpha of the "New Man" pack?

All New Men are implanted with a toned down version of the geneseed. She was the strongest among them.

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>>50500943

AHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!

No, wait...

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>50500874
Why would you add dudes to your haram of bald female blanks?

Send the men to the Assassins.

>>50500943
baitfish.png

>>50500993
>4+ FNP plague marines

we crons now

>>50500943
oh yeah, are they as good as men at psychologically and socially opressing an entire gender? didn't think so.

>>50500814
>the difference is that the chaos gods are giving them stuff
YOU SOUND LIKE A WOMAN DEFENDING HER ABUSIVE BOYFRIEND. "OH, HE'S NOT LIKE THE LAST ONE! HE MAKES SURE I HAVE PLENTY OF JEWELRY SO I KNOW HIS LOVE IS REAL! THE BLACK EYE? OH, I WAS OUT OF LINE, I DESERVED IT."

SAME SHIT DIFFERENT RAPPER.
DIFFERENT WRAPPER, TOO.

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>>50500718
Black Library is shit tier. Like most DnD books or other franchise stuff, is written by people that could not stay on their own as writers and are able to be published only because of the brand.
They change the name and some element of "their" book and publish it under the brand.

>>50500960
>Nope, the Imperium recruits men and females.
that does not prove women are just as good as men, just that they can be used.
>IG codex says men and women of the Guard. There is no mention of them preferring males over females.
That's not proof of your claim. All that proves is the imperium recruits some women, not 50%.
>You are not the expert, he is
And the emps is a better expert than bill. If we're going with appeal to expertise and authority, the god who made the marines knows best
>SoB are notmal humans
never said otherwise. But they are wearing power armor, so of course they can fight good.
>Again, not in the Imperium. They can be trained and made better.
training doesn't mean they're still not inferior to a male counterpart with all other variables save gender being the same. I can make women good soldiers, but a man will still be a better one.

>>50501012

Because the BL author is a cuck.

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>>50500895
The spell is broken AND WE LIVE AGAIN.

>>50501062
Don't even respond to his bait, dude.

>>50501082

But I want (You)s too!

>>50500943
But anon, i thought it was well know women have -4 str.

>>50501010
>lines up the shot
>suddenly pulls back, shuts eyes, then pulls the trigger
>that look after firing
Couldn't they have at least found a woman that knew how to shoot for their propaganda? I'm sure that there are women fighters involved over there, so why not at least show a little truth?

>>50500996
The only fuckups in 40k bigger than the Emperor are Lorgar, Magnus, and the Eldar. It's like the HH series is all a conspiracy to see how shitty and retarded they can make the Emperor and primarchs before fanboys stop liking them.

>>50501012
That's easy.
Bile said he toned down the geneseed.
He did that by diluting it with Ork genes.

Thus all Bile's New Men have a mini WAAAGH field and she THOUGHT she was the strongest more than any other NM, so the Mini WAAAGH Field buffed her up enough to be the strongest

How do the lasgun arrays work on Chimeras for weapon destroyed results?

Are they completely ignored?

>>50500734
Army of gas masks (krieg/valhallans/steel legion/chaos)

>>50500758
Alright, I don't have much painting experience so it just seemed like it'd be harder. I'll do my best to get good senpai

>>50500349
... go show your mantits in /b/ you atention whore

>>50501140
I'd count each array as 1 gun.
Kinda like Hurricane bolters are bolter×3

>>50501050
>that does not prove women are just as good as men, just that they can be used.

They are good enough for the Imperium and even the elite branches of it.

>That's not proof of your claim. All that proves is the imperium recruits some women, not 50%.

They recruit enough women that always the term "Men and Women of the Imperial Guard" pops up whenever there is a conflict. Heck, the poster for the Cadian Gate war had a female IG on it.

>And the emps is a better expert than bill. If we're going with appeal to expertise and authority, the god who made the marines knows best

Bile mastered the geneseed and even cloned the Primarchs. He created the perfect clone of Horus. He is at the level of the Emperor or close to it.

>never said otherwise. But they are wearing power armor, so of course they can fight good.

They are trained in the same school as Stormtroopers. They will fight good regardless of power armour

>training doesn't mean they're still not inferior to a male counterpart with all other variables save gender being the same. I can make women good soldiers, but a man will still be a better one.

Again, geneseed equalises everything.

The female implanted with the lesser version of the geneseed became the strongest member of the New Man warrior group. The Alpha, The First of the pack. So this proves that geneseed gives no fucks about gender.

>>50501062

This actually sounds pretty plausible. It's a CSMfag too.

>>50501037
sure but sticking with the emperor isn't gonna get you any more shit is it. that'd be comparable to being in a relationship with a corpse.

>>50500994
Post the current build of the list.

That's going to be a lot of armor to deal with.

Wait a fucking second. A Disc of Tzeentch changes your type to Jetbike. Jetbikes is supposed to increase your Toughness by 1 by virtue of being a Jetbike, right?

So T5 Sorcs.

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>>50500943
They couuuuuuld do some of the stuff we do, but they don't.

Like I'm seriously all for equality, and an empowered woman is a sexy woman and all that shit. But they literally don't. You can blame it on social conditioning all you want, but at the end of the day you can be the best fucking kicker in the NFL or Goalie in whatever the fucking eurosport league is, but none of that shit matters if you don't actually fucking play.


Pic related: OH MY GOD CAPTCHA YOU FUCKING DICK

>>50501144
Krieg boys best boys. But they're from forgeworld so they'll be even more expensive. Also, arent all krieger regiments officially male because all the women are part of their breeding program?

>>50501181
Yep

>>50501165
Grand Coven
Core (War Cabal)

DP of Tzeentch w/ wings, ML3 = 275
2x Sorc w/ Spell familiar, Bike, MoT, +2ML = 320
Sorc w/ Spell familiar, Bike, MoT, +2ML, Astral Grimoire = 190

16+1 Rubrics/Sorc = 426
4+1 Scarab Occult/Sorc w/ Hellfyre missile rack = 270

Auxiliary (Legion Armoury)
Land Raider = 230

Auxiliary x2 (Daemon Engines)
2 Maulerfiends = 250

1961, 15 WC
39 free (Thinking of changing bikes to Discs for 30 points)

>>50501149
Could you be anymore butt hurt? Also nice try getting to see me naked

>>50501191
All krieg regiments are male because forge world only makes male models for them, though you could make an argument that there are some females under all that gear. I don't know much about krieg lore myself being a Renegades & Heretics player.

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>STORM has confirmed females in their ranks. A future novel will feature a female STORM as a main heroine
>SPESS still haven't been retconned to feature females

Why, GW, why?

>>50501224
You're still here?
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

>>50501225
Krieg is the only regiment world that doesn't have females in their ranks since they are all literal baby factories.

When will the all womyn are strong warriors trope in western media end?

If you take your information from western scifi, it's a miracle that all martial and leadership positions in the real world aren't occupied by alpha women.

>>50501242
Because stormcasts and space amrines are actually diffrent lore wise. Shocking, i know.