What do you view as the necessities in a cyberpunk setting? What

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Megacorporations.

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Prosthetics.

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Militarized police.

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Ubiquitous technology.

>>50486706
>>50486725
>>50486749

these three things. People with prosthetics fithting militarized police corrupted by the megacorporations.

Also some sort of economical fall that made the poor so fucking much more poor and the rich so fucking rich.

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Evil corporations

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Constant surveillance and disregard for integrity.

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>>50486788
The joke being that we are currently living in a cyberpunk dystopia.

Also, noodle shops.

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Virtual reality

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Contaminated air by the industry or nuclear war is quite common.

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>>50486834
Don't you mean
>Virtual reality

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Wrist mounted computers.

Also monochrome displays.

>>50486221
>Trench coats
>Virtual reality
>Cybernetics
>Megacorps
>Mirrored sunglasses

Body modification, both inorganic (robot arms and laser eyes) and organic (blue skin and a new set of cat/fox/elf/whatever ears)

Back alley doctors

>>50486825
Our haircuts are way too shitty for us to be living in a cyberpunk dystopia.

Pink suits are cool.

use of technology in conflict

>>50486840
wouldn't nuclear war fall more into "apocalyptic" theme?

Drugs.

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Street samurais

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>>50486893
Dunno, man, some of these kids today don't look like they'd be at all out of place in a William Gibson novel.

Human life so cheap, people can be bought as if they were slaves.

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>>50486911
The two are not mutually exclusive.

>>50486911

Neuromancer takes places after one. Europe is a nuclear wasteland.

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Flying cars

>>50486941
They aren't strictly mutually exclusive, but the point of cyberpunk is to point the finger at a certain development in your own country. Changes on the political landscape stemming from a hypothetical war wouldn't really fit into that.

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Megacities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTJQTc-TqpU

>>50486961
No, flying cars are a thing of the past, just like most laserguns.

Divided/fallen US is pretty common.

In classic times, Japan Superpower. In modern times, China is the big one. .

>>50486987
How about road airplanes?

Tech Noir. The story usually takes place entirely during the night. You never see the sun.

>>50486221
Something oppressive to rebel against.

>>50486221
A new and improved type of criminal. See Almost Human.

>>50486706
>>50486802
>>50486877

Besides the obvious of "defense" and "electronics", what are the big areas for megacorps to dominate in? Crossover in other fields, of course.

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>>50487203
Space travel

Giant screens with hot chicks on them trying to sell you something.

>>50486221
High tech low lives.

and Megacorps

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Poverty existing side by side with advanced and wealthy city life.

The picture is from Chongqing, China.

>>50487435
At least they still have their farms - are self-sufficient. Plenty of people in the western world are just poor.

>>50486221
Cyber and punks.

Play Saint's Row III/IV, Watch Dogs/WD2, Deus Ex, DXHR,DXMD. Metal Gear optional.

Those are the worlds you want.

>>50486221
Elves

Cyberpunk and Transhumanism are diametrically opposed, so don't fall into that trap. In cyberpunk fiction, humans are rubbish and technology won't change that. The actual philosophical issue is up in the air of course, but don't go around offering a 'perfect morality' head-chip in the setting or something (unless it's a horrific mind-control scheme, then it's kosher). There's no one more snobbish than a cyberpunk fan (especially the old-school), but I can gurantee to you that this is a vital feature of the genre, miss this point and you're no longer in-genre. This is a fine point to realise you're not into cyberpunk as much as you thought, too

High Tech Low Life is the motto, but don't be afraid to show the High Life too, the contrast really drives the point through: humans are still garbage. There's room for optimism in cyberpunk, but it's about noble individuals in a flawed world, poor sods victim to their nature, etc. In the grand scheme of things, it's not going to get better, but maybe your heroes can find something better for themselves after all. Kick an addiction, settle a debt, get revenge, save someone from someone else (or themselves), etc.

>>50487731
I (not OP) write post-cyberpunk. Am I trash?

>>50487797
Not to my knowledge. It's a different genre, no?

>>50487797
>Am I trash?
You are a beautiful soul

>>50487817
Thanks senpai.
>>50487813
It's a different genre with a lot of cyberpunk trappings (obviously). A lot of cyberpunk fans hate it for being too optimistic and the focus on transhumanism and philosophy.

>>50487920
Pure snobs, I told you. But in my only experience in the matter I'd say it was justified, I mean during 4e shadowrun switched from cyberpunk to post-cyberpunk (all the while still selling itself as cyberpunk), and then back to cyberpunk in 5e (possibly because of the backlash), everyone's panties was in a twist.

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Could you recommend me some decent cyberpunk stories and novels, /tg/?

I've read Neuromancer, but that was ages ago.

>>50486802

Google already was linked see >>50486706

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>>50488288
Palantir is way more cyberpunk than Google.

I could stick Peter Thiel straight into any cyberpunk worlds and he'd be right at home.

Also, Facebook.

Although Alphabet is really catching up in recent years on the whole cyberpunk megacorp vibe.

>>50486960
>Neuromancer takes places after one. Europe is a nuclear wasteland.
Uh, no. There was a short conventional war that was ended by several cities (like Bonn) being nuked by tactical forces, but it's definitely not a wasteland. There was no full-scale nuclear war.

>>50488144
The Glass Hammer by K W Jeter.
Stand on Zanzibar by John Brunner.
Synners by Pat Cadigan.
Schismatrix by Bruce Sterling.

>>50488144
Snow Crash.

>>50489141
Read Snow Crash LAST. It's a satire of the genre.

>>50487203

Healthcare, insurance, pharmacy

>>50489212
True, but it's still a very good book in the genre, and a good conflicting approach to the endlessly-serious mainstream cyberpunk.

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>>50487203
Defence isn't obvious at all. Those are not very big companies compared to the top 100.

Energy, Banking, Telecoms, Automobiles and Construction are some of the biggest megacorps fields, at least now.

>>50487203
What are the things you can't live without?

> clothing
> food
> fuel

You have your answer.

>>50487203
Ice cream

>>50487203
Food
Water
Entertainment
Education
Software
Machine Tools
Mining

>>50487731
It really doesn't have to be opposed. You can show that even with cancer an aging cured that people are still the same scum that they always were.

>>50487920
Classic cyberpunk is also largely lefty, while post-cyberpunk can be much more neutral. Anti-capitalism has declined since the 90s. Japan's economy crashed and the up-and-coming economic country is China, which is a "communist" dictatorship. That and their technological standard is shit compared to Japan and the US. Japan at least kept their edge in high-tech gadgetry and precision machining. People have to face the facts that classic cyberpunk is dead.

>>50490763
>You can show that even with cancer an aging cured that people are still the same scum that they always were.
But this is exactly the opposite of transhumanism, the idea that technology would allow one to transcend humanity's flaws. It's not about disease or cancer or whatever, but that technology will change humans for the better in a fundamental way. If technology in fiction doesn't provide this change, it is not transhumanist. Your example here is most definitely not transhumanist (by itself at least).

Mind uploading, transcendence of flesh, bio-optimization, etc, common tools in transhumanist fiction that delete the biological bases for some of humanity's flaws like irralionality, emotions, biological needs, and so. Cyberpunk most definitely avoids these tools because it needs those flaws for it's narrative.

>>50486825
I wish there were more noodle shops

I like noodles, but there aren't any good places for noodles near my work

>>50490763
Tbf crashing and burning when they're starting to get shit rolling is Japan's speciality. Usually these crashes are caused by Japanese themselves.
>start to show signs of westernizing and expanding
>get your asses kicked by koreans&chinese -> go full hermit kingdom mode after it turns out that spanish are also operationg in east asian area
>westernize and expand again, piss of yanks by commiting war crimes left and right in china -> us stops selling you oil&scrap metal, panic and blow up couple obsolete battleships in pearl harbor, get your asses kicked
>economy prospers and it seems that you're poised to become a global economic superpower -> turns out that it was mostly based on a bubble, bubble collapses and 20 years later your economy still hasn't recovered

>>50494066
Let's hope the Chinese follow the same pattern.

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>>50489705
>> clothing
>> food
>> fuel
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>>50489957
>>>50487203
>Food
>Water
>Entertainment
>Education
>Software
>Machine Tools
>Mining

Clothing, food, water, education, machine tools and entertainment industries are highly atomized and not controlled by giant megacorporations. On the contrary, things like electricity, education and water are usually controlled by governments.

Fuel (energy), software, mining are controlled by megacorporations because they deal in internationally-traded goods that are fungible, generic in their application to all cultures and easily traded across national borders.

I'd say the biggest industry controlled by megacorps in the future will be biomed, which will include the health care, pharmaceuticals, cyberware and bioware industries.

>>50486982
based Magnasanti

>>50496538
>Clothing, food, water, education, machine tools and entertainment industries are highly atomized and not controlled by giant megacorporations

Anon.

Look at the movie industry (5 companies control the majority of revenue, and they would have bought out the other ones but for anti-trust).

Sony, Microsoft, and Valve control access to the video game markets. Six companies control 90% of the media (and they combined have over 275 billion in revenue.)

Software - There is only one company that provides 90% of the heavy duty databases in the world. 90% of the OSes come from one company.

It also even stronger in specific fields. ESRI, SPSS, Autodesk all have effective monopolies in their field.

Food - Nestle , Anheuser-Busch InBev and Coca-Cola area all nearing megacorp size.

Water - Go look what happening to latin america if you think companies are not boxing out water sources.

>>50493745
What I miss most about living in a big city with a substantial international community is the food. I haven't had kimchi in years. Noodlesoup and curry I have to make myself and some ingredients are really hard to find.

>>50497225
You know there is this thing called the internet, through which you can buy a whole lot of ingredients and have them delivered to your door?

>>50497320
You know that cooked food tastes different from the raw ingredients?

>>50497578
>douchebag millennial doesn't know how to cook
Color me surprised!

>>50497638
He mentions cooking in his previous post >>50497225 you ADD-afflicted arse pickle, it's not like you can get every single restaurant food right with raw ingredients, some things never taste quite as right when you make 'em. sometimes it tastes better, but sometimes you're just disappointed.

>>50497688
Whatever, douchenozzle. Friday night is tom kha gai night in my house. I don't need to live in big city with a substantial international community to get my Pan-Asian on because I am not a child. Instead of crying like a bitch, try spending some more time in the kitchen to figure out why your cooking is crap.

>>50497887
Nice blog.

>>50497688
>it's not like you can get every single restaurant food right with raw ingredients,
Actually it basically is if you can cook.

>Inb4, b-but I can't do molecular gastronomy at home without a lot of equipment!
Mate, the guy metioned noodles and curry, it's not the same thing

>>50497887
where do you get your galangal and lime leaves?

>>50498251
Not him, but I just checked and they sell both those things on amazon.

The real problem I find for cooking stuff in the middle of nowhere is not finding herbs and spices, but quality perishables that can't go for even the shortest period of time without refrigeration. Seafood is a prime example.

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Megacorporations, organized crime, prosthetics/augmentations, and widespread surveillance are all central core themes of Cyberpunk, but Cyberpunk itself is little with only just those things. I think militarized police isn't what makes Cyberpunk what it is, but there has to be some form of corruption going on, either it be on the whole grand scheme or if it was one bad cop, to add some spice to it.

While not the norm and not by any means required, my cyberpunk setting has a theme on returning to old ways in reaction to new developments, creating a sort of retro-noir culture niche alongside the prevalent hacker punk culture. Governments in real life do this, using old-ass obscure tech that is directly incompatible to all modern "hacking" techniques and devices. By applying technology and regulation to more things such as guns, there becomes a rise in home-made devices and the usage of antiques. The bad cop I brought up before is a character I've been developing, who brandishes two pistols, a standard-issue Five SeveN and his personal Single Action Army. His pistol has tech in it that will send data to the HQ about whose pistol it is, when and where it was fired, as well as the ability to force the safety on in case someone, his superiors or a hacker thug, wants to prevent him from shooting. His revolver, on the other hand, has no electronics, is from the 50's, and is in as pristine condition as a frequently used firearm of that age can get. He brings it along with him on orders so he can circumvent any locks that hackers may put on his pistol as well as dodge the police establishment from disabling his ability to dish out his brand of justice.

>>50497688
>every single restaurant food right with raw ingredients
A decent cook will be able to.

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>>50486840

>>50500701
Do you think there are decent people on 4chan?

>>50500792
You don't have to be a decent person to be skilled at something.

>>50500223
>The bad cop I brought up before is a character I've been developing, who brandishes two pistols, a standard-issue Five SeveN and his personal Single Action Army

See, now that's a quality post.

>>50497104
>American thinks the US is the world

>>50501172
What are you, Chinese?

>>50489562
Energy is so frequently overlooked.

Look at our current situation: Renewable energy is literally the keystone to peace in the 21st & 22nd centuries. It's also the biggest powderkeg we've got. Affluent countries across the globe rely on fossil fuels to secure their status of power. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, and Russia. What happens when people no longer need oil? The current humanitarian crisis in the Middle East (which already revolves around dwindling resources); Saudi Arabia has been stockpiling weapons because neighboring countries are facing food shortages, and countries all over the world (United States included) are planning for what happens when, and not if, our water reserves reach critical levels.

Yes, there are questions of population sustainability, and yes, there are questions of effective resource distribution. But the reliance of the world economy, and the destruction of the world ecology, all hinge on energy technology.

Who's going to own the patents? Who's going to own the raw materials needed? Who's going to own the manufacturing and logistics pipeline? Which warmongering nations are going to raise hell when they find themselves without a chair, once the music stops?

Current energy corporations...are they bothering to invest in renewable R&D? Or are they content with bribing politicians to muscle out the startups that pursue these technologies? Are we going to beat the Chinese and the Russians to economic renewables? Or are they content with waiting to steal what we come up with?

Banking is another great area to explore from the cyberpunk perspective.

What about lobbying in the post-cyberpunk world?

>>50501172
US is not the main location for companies who do software, Movie, video games.

Not thinking Nestle, InBev, and Coca-Cola (only one is american) are not worldwide concerns.

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>>50486221
So... anyone got anymore cute human/robot love pictures like in the OP?

But to actually contribute to the topic, human workers getting displaced by robots.

>>50486221
Not having magic
Not having tentacles
Not having Lovecraftian monsters
Not having non-human races, unless they are androids

Megacorps, privatised and militarised police, high-end media technology (which is part of constant surveillance system), absurd levels of income disparity (remember - it's about amount of poor people, rather than HOW poor they are), environmental destruction is fine game too.

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>>50501458
I'm pretty sure that's at least 2 degrees of heretical.

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>>50501158
What?
Did I say something wrong? Was my grammar fucked and I just didn't notice? Did you actually like the idea and said it in a way that I'm misinterpreting as sarcastic?

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catgirls

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feline females

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If people can get some cyberware or bioware there will be people that get too much 'ware.

>>50501599
Not him, but that's a legitimately good idea with good logic behind it.

>>50501636
This is acceptable

>>50501662
This is too

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Antagonist groups built around a certain concept are fun.

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The Sprawl

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Biosculpting

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>>50501927
More like the easiest way to get pic related from your players

>>50486221
cyborgs

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>>50501597
Nothing wrong with a little robot love

>>50486221

a lack of Environmental protection laws

technology designed to improve lives instead reserved exclusively available to the rich

a method of control hidden within a "MUST HAVE" product.

a non-ethnicity based minority group being systematically oppressed or purged simply because they're in the way of "progress".

weapons that are more advanced, but not too strange from modern day ones (there are exceptions- Shadowrun acid-filled super soakers come to mind).

>>50505656
>weapons that are more advanced, but not too strange from modern day ones
Oh, so you weren't talking about modern day?

>>50505866
nope. was describing the setting style.

but you have to admit, its ironic how things turned out, isn't it?

>>50505915
Ironic is not the term I'd use to describe pessimistic predictions being proven right.

>>50505996
Ironic is that we are living all the bad parts of cyberpunk dystopia, but none of the awesome parts.

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>>50506733
>Implying there are any awesome parts and not just misery

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>>50506819
I want bitching cyberlimbs and renegade street hackers, not the barely-responsive plastic stuff and fucking Anonymous.

>>50500761

Oh that's a nice desert city.... oh shit it's Shanghai...

>>50487203
Agriculture.

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>>50486825
needs a bit more neon, monolithic towers, drifting AP blimps and global warming-influenced unseasonal weather

so... in about 6 years?

Drone dilivery is already a gimmick

one day, it might be commonplace

cars drive themselves, it's pretty much a certainty they will be everywhere within a decade

also, this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf7IEVTDjng

>>50486221
As someone who has had a few IV's in various locations and electroacupuncture, can confirm having tubes and wires sticking out of ones body all day and night can get annoying real fast.

>>50508328
As someone who has also had an IV before, I've got to say that I was less concerned about the tube in my arm and more concerned about how it made me have to piss like all fuck rather quickly.

>>50486221

fuckin' neon signs, man

>>50506733
What is good for a story isn't necessarily good for you. Many of my favorite characters from movies and books are horrible people and I wouldn't want to spend any time in their actual vicinity.
The one thing that cyberpunk usually got wrong was the tech (level).
Virtual realities and cybernetic bodies are not quite there yet (but they're coming).
Flying cars are a shit idea, so we won't be seeing them ever.
AIs? Who knows. What with alphago and deepmind raising the bar of the possible so far, it may be around the corner. (It isn't, but that's what I like to tell myself)
Anyway, so summarize things: it's called a dystopia for a reason.

>>50508304
>it's pretty much a certainty they will be everywhere within a decade
They still have lots of legal problems.
While it's technically possible to program a car to be a better driver than the average human (or maybe even the best human), there are conceivable situations where the car would have to choose between two lives. No programmer wants to be responsible for putting that decision into code. No insurance company wants to be held liable for it either.
This problem is probably going to take a little more than 10 years to solve universally.

>>50487203
Energy production
Agriculture
Food processing (don't have to be related with agriculture)
Entire financing sector, duh
Transportation
Communication

>>50487572
>WD
>WD2
No.

>>50487572

No one ever brings up BloodNet. Why?

>>50489141
Snow Crash fucking sucks

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https://youtu.be/wRRNzK58ttw?t=91
>>50486706

>>50486977
>Blade Runner
>Akira
>Neuromancer
>Ghost in the shell
All take place after a catastrophic war

>>50488144
Blue ant

>>50520065
>Neuromancer
>takes place after a catastrophic war

Says who?

>>50508249
Neon isn't coming back
The other thing we're missing is it being overcast 24/7, with periodic rain/snow.

So Portland is first up to become true cyberpunk, we just need better prosthetic limbs.

>>50520065
>All take place after a catastrophic war
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep had general pollution going on, I believe. Nobody even knew why the birds were dying.
Akira had an esper kid go out of control and nuke the city. No war at all.
Neuromancer? Ghost in the Shell? Possible. It's been too long. But the point of the stories had little to do with that.

>>50520754
The fact that it mentions Bonn was hit by a Soviet IRBM

>>50520997
>Ghost in the Shell? Possible
two world wars one nuclear and one not

>>50520997
>Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep had general pollution going on, I believe. Nobody even knew why the birds were dying.
"the novel is set in a post-apocalyptic San Francisco, where Earth's life has been greatly damaged by nuclear global war. Most animal species are endangered or extinct from extreme radiation poisoning, so that owning an animal is now a sign of status and empathy, an attitude encouraged towards animals."

>Neuromancer? Ghost in the Shell? Possible. It's been too long. But the point of the stories had little to do with that.
Neuromancer had a limited nuclear exchange with NATO-Warsaw and Ghost in the Shell had world wars 3 and 4 (Though from lore, WW4 really wasn't much of a world war.)

>>50520997
GitS takes place after WW4.

>>50520754
If you read the complete sprawl trilogy they talk more about the war.

Honestly, compared to what we actually had in history, modern megacorps are kind of weak.

>>50527149
No, they are just powerful enough to hide their influence.
Lobbying is extremely prevalent in modern politics.

>>50527222
>No, they are just powerful enough to hide their influence.
Other way around. It was never so easy to perceive private interests in politics as it is right now, nor were they ever held in such contempt by the population at large.
>Lobbying is extremely prevalent in modern politics.
It was also prevalent in older ones. In fact, several bloody, destructive wars happened so a private company could literally own countries and territories across the world.

>>50501226
>Are we going to beat the Chinese and the Russians to economic renewables?

The Indians and Chinese are the ones investing most heavily in this tech.

>>50486825

He say you braid runnah.