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Could humanity survive in a world full of monsters, demons and

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Could humanity survive in a world full of monsters, demons and witches? Seen realistically and without plot armor
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>>50485208
Yes, probably. As a species we're pretty adaptive and resourceful. We probably wouldn't be the star of the show, but we probably would be around.
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>>50485208
Depends on how strong those entities are, how much they can fuck with the laws of physics - that is, how bad they can fuck up the principles behind human technology - and so on. Obviously. he question can't be given any universally true answer.
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Chitin armor < modern rifles.
Range of teeth < range of modern rifles.

Would monsters and demons be able to survive in a world full of humans?
Witches are a different matter.
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>>50485208
Probably, but life would be harder, darker. Or we humans would unite to kill them off once and for all.

We also might be more religious.
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>>50485269
>We also might be more religious.
>if it doesn't die even after we've cut it into tiny pieces it's probably a God.
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>>50485208
I think Churches could handle the demons/Witches and there would be a lot less fedora tippers. People living in rural areas, living in wooded areas, or both would need to pack more fire power.
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>>50485244
>Would monsters and demons be able to survive in a world full of humans?
Considering we make hills of crosses I don't think they'd stand a chance.
>Witches are a different matter.
How so?
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>Monster meet 120mm round prank gone wrong
>demon get hit by an HELLFIRE missile
>Nuking hell
Could they?
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>>50485296
I feel baited.
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>>50485329
>How so?
They look like humans, they are usually intelligent and magic is extremely versatile.
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>>50485336
So we don't need Doomguy. We need diet versions of him.
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>>50485363
Why are human so badass?
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>>50485356
I'm sure just throwing holy water on them would expose them.
>>50485392
Some people just won't die, and some will go above and beyond the call of duty.
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>>50485307
>implying there is a sizable number of fedoras as is
>implying the term "fedora" itself carries any real-world connotations and isn't just a /pol/ meme used to dismiss opposing viewpoints off hand

And I doubt churches would be better equipped to deal with demonic forces than the military. Assuming OP is even referring to Abrahamic demons, there's no necessary reason to assume God would bestow his followers with the power to repel or destroy demonic forces, since God seems rather uninterested in involving himself in earthly affairs in any capacity.
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>>50485208
We already made it through the stone age, which was full of giant beasts with fucking huge teeth and kicked their asses, as a species we've survived every dangerous animal, plague, disaster and our own stupidity. I dont think people in general give humanity the survival credit our species clearly has the chops for.
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>>50485415
>and our own stupidity
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>>50485407
>I'm sure just throwing holy water on them would expose them.
It's possible that there would be ways to detect them. However, given magic and trickery they may find ways around that. If that fails they might try to appeal for mercy on account of their almost human nature.
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>>50485413
>God seems rather uninterested in involving himself in earthly affairs in any capacity.
I don't know. He's done a pretty good job of keeping the demons out so far.
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>>50485444
Pls dont get political
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>>50485449
>appeal for mercy
Suffer not the witch to live.

Or maybe the setting has good witches. But that's lame as fuck.
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>>50485413
I was jokingly using the term.
>Assuming OP is even referring to Abrahamic demons
OP should have said something.
>God would bestow his followers with the power to repel or destroy demonic forces, since God seems rather uninterested in involving himself in earthly affairs in any capacity
God doesn't have to give priests and preachers the powers to summon bears/dead saints to devour sinners and rape demons. Just build a hill of crosses to keep demons away.
>>50485449
>>50485464
It depends if the Witches are pushed to destructive acts(Pull of Magic Soul Eater style), or if they're just want to be left alone.
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>>50485392
So you can enjoy this power-fantasy.
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>>50485208
Absolutely. Just ask /k/.
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>>50485512
Human are powerful accept it
In the universe you can be stronger,smarter but nothing is badass like an human
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>>50485208
Yes, we are the master race. Niggers would probably all die, though.
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>>50485208
Depends on their interaction with normal laws of physics- assuming it exists in such world at all.
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>>50485413
>And I doubt churches would be better equipped to deal with demonic forces than the military.
A modern military sure. Pulling a trigger is faster then a litany. If demons and monsters are vulnerable to that sort of thing.

But unless the monsters are a new addition to a modern setting, a priest with a cross might be much more effective then a knight with a sword. Or a shaman with a fetish vs a guy with a pointed stick.
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>>50485487
>It depends
Personally I prefer the traditional witches who's powers are the result of Faustian bargains.
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>>50485629
Didn't they have to have sex with the Devil or something? Not sure where I heard that from but I'm not sure if it's true or not.
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I want humanity fuck yeah to fucking go from this board.
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>>50485656
There's a lot of different myths.

Generally you wrote your name in Old Tom's book. (Basically an evil knock off of the Book of Life) Sex with the devil or his representative may or may not have been optional.

Generally lots of kinky sex and blood and naked dancing.

Sometimes there was a theme of trying to keep the devil's favor/your position as favorite, by ever more kinky and elaborate sex acts.
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>>50485208

Yes, by living primarily in the areas where those monsters and demons are less common.

Witches... depends on the power and nature of witchcraft. Are witches universally evil? If not, that power might be key to surviving the monsters and demons.

Are witches humans that delve into dark forces, or another kind of being entirely? If the former, in a world where Witches continue to be a thing humanity survives by implication.
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>>50485208
Maybe.
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>>50485208
Depends on setting.
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>>50485208
>monsters, demons and witches

If the above were sensibly intelligent, then mankind either

A. Would have been wiped out long ago before they could even form any kind of civilization.

or

B. Mankind and its development is heavily restricted and controlled, basically little more than cattle, or pets. And like our cattle and pets, have no chance of elevating above what they have become.
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>>50485208
Seen realistically, monsters, demons and witches would not be very strong. So yes.
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>>50485413
Casting demons out is a pretty... well, not "standard," but definitely a thing in Christian doctrine. If OP means Abrahamic demons start taking on physical forms, I'd imagine that they'd get BTFO by angry Southern Baptists and the Catholic Church real quick.
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>>50487822
Can't you baptize the demons and give them a slap on the wrist every time they try to eat somebody?
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>>50487847
I'm sure Episcopalians and Lutherans might try it.
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the world was full of monsters during the Pleistocene period. we survived that with the most primitive of tools.
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>>50488255
what if the real monster

was us
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Well you cant get witches without humans

CHECKMATE PAGANS
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>>50485208
Mankind would never survive the stone age in a D&D-like death world. At least not without shanenigans
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Depends if the monsters, demons, and witches gang up on humanity, or if they spend most of their time fighting each other and leave the pathetic meat sacks to breed like rats.
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>>50485329
>How so?
They can use rifles too.
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>>50485208
Are the witches necessarily evil? Having at least some sorcery-inclined people on our side could help.
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>>50485415
This, we even drove many of the greatest predators to extintion.

Also many animals, even today's animals would be considered monsters if we didn't knew what they where. Imagine that you live in 3000 bc in britain, some dude comes and tells you he had been in a land where this HUGE monster lives, gray skin that it's so thick that works like armor, legs like tree trunks, taller than a house with huge tusks long as a spear and a tentacle-like arm coming from its face strong enough to lift fucking trees. He also tells you the monster is smart as fuck, his roar is loud like a thunder and that the earth trembles when it comes for you.

That sounds like a fucking monster if you don't know what it is
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>>50490843

>now we describe normal animals like monsters

Imagine this creature, this HUGE scaled being that lives in the river, it's longer than 3 men lying on the ground, it's tail is so strong that it could break every bone in your body and the monster itself is so strong that it can pull an ox into the water to drown it. It has a huge mouth with a lot of teeth sharp as daggers and it lurks in the water waiting for you to come close to drink or wathever, then in jumps and catches you in it's jaws and pulls you under the water.
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>>50485208
This is basically a non-question because you failed to specify any actual parameters, and even if you had, it's entirely subjective and serves as little more than a pointless argument starter.
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>>50485208

Monsters? Yes. Monsters can be killed. Even big bad Japanese kaiju are regularly pushed back in their respective mediums. If all we had to deal with was smaller monsters, I'd image that monster hunting would become the worlds fastest growing profession seemingly over night.
Then you also need to factor in monster variety. Are some monsters benevolent? Are some of them highly dangerous, but malleable enough to be tamed and eventually domesticated? Do different species of monsters regularly fight one another for territory to allow humanity some breathing room, or are we the only thing on the menu and the monsters are all ganging up on us and being monster bros who all like each other and hate us?

Witches? Technically, yes. Because in order for there to be witches, there needs to be humans to become witches. Ergo, so long as there are witches, humanity still survives even if all the non-witches are wiped out.

Demons? That's a tough one. Demons would be proof that supernatural and possibly divine things exist. This means that humans would actively try and harness supernatural energies, possibly to augment themselves. It would be widely be researched by governments all over the world, as opposed to some paranoid tinfoil hat basement dwellers that insist a succubus raped them that one time they had nocturnal emissions. Demon corpses would be autopsied, and their relics would be reverse engineered to the best of our ability.
I could also see religion making a massive resurgence. If a portal to hell opened up in downtown Manhattan and demons started pouring out? Atheism would shrink down to a tiny minority of individuals who just insist that the demons aren't really demons.
It also depends on what kind of demons and how many of them.
Are they super ultra hyper mega murder demons that squish humanity to bugs? Or are they strong, but you could still turn them into a fine red mist with enough firepower—Or one really pissed off marine with a dead pet bunny?
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>>50485208
>monsters, demons and witches?
>Seen realistically and without plot armor
>Realistic fantasies
Op what flavor cock you smoking making you hallucinate so?
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>>50491054
>Atheism would shrink down to a tiny minority
I'm not just an atheist because I don't think the guy in the sky is real.
I'm also an atheist because I think that if the guy in the sky is real, he's a fucking ass.
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>implying the setting wouldn't be badass as fuck for only 1 reason
>Paladins
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>>50485208
>monsters, demons and witches
>realistic
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>>50485208
>realistically
>world full of monsters, demons and witches
It doesn't sound very realistic
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>>50485208
>monsters, demons and witches? Seen realistically and without plot armor

Seeing as how monsters, demons, and witches as they are were all dreamed up by people who believed in "plot armor", I'd say yes.
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>>50489013
This, a shit ton of different religions and pagan practices through out the centuries have been labelled witchcraft.

Are we talking strictly Satanic deal with the devil witches? Or native american wise man/Gaia worshiping druid "witchcraft"?

Because one will seriously fuck you up, the other will probably save your ass.
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>>50490916
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>>50485208
This question seems too vague to pit humans and mythos against each other. A bunch of smaller, more concentrated questions may help give the answer.

Are the monsters magically-inclined? How intelligent are they? Endurance, speed, size, and strength?

Are the demons able to regularly commute to our world? How powerful are they?

Are all witches evil? Do none of them hold sentiments for our species and assist our survival to ensure their own, assuming they're humans too?

>tl;dr: Question too vague to answer realistically.
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>>50485208
Literally depends on the setting you laundromat!
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>>50493096
>you hate one god
>refuse to worship any god
>demons from every pantheon OM NOM NOM your soul
>smart man hates one god
>refuses to worship god he hates
>instead worships a different god he doesn't hate
>no demon from any pantheon can OM NOM NOM his soul
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>>50485444
Considering it was him or someone called "the angel of death" who wanted to continue sanctions against a nihilistic supperpower already bending from the last one, treathening nuclear war.

Id rather go with the annoying orange than mitt romney with a pussy.
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>>50485772
Do you want slaanesh this is how you get slaanesh.
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>>50485392
Because HFY. Even God bows to man.
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>>50485544
Objectively wrong. Humans are the strongest, smartest, and best form of existence. Other beings exist only to be food. We can make anything extinct if we want, we're just being merciful.
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>>50485208
Yes that's why you don't see them anymore, duh.
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>>50485208
Depends on if humanity can exploit the creature in question and how much they obey the laws of physics
Do Demons/Witches/Monsters function without regard for the fundamental laws of reality as we currently understand them
Can Humans learn magic or inject themselves with demon/monster dna to become superhuman
If the answer is yes to the first and no to the second then we are probably fucked
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>>50485413
>>50487822
Jesus empowers his disciples to cast out demons and perform miracles in his name. This carries over to the modern church, where in Catholicism priests are empowered and permitted to perform exorcisms with special training as well as perform blessings against evil forces.

Go into Protestantism and dig a little. Even in the most WASPy denominations, you'll find some hardcore spiritual warfare shit under the surface, and the belief you can confront and banish demons so long as you are saved, have faith, and do so in God's name. The sticker is it must be in God's name, as it is said even Michael needed to invoke gods power to cast down Satan. But man vs demon is a very much real and expected thing in modern Christianity, even if many people dont like to think about it. I grew up milquetoast protestant and I'm still a little scared of that shit to this day, the books I read in the church library fucked me up. If you want a cliff notes of how protestants view demons, read The Screwtape Letters. Satan's forces are omnipresent and could be anywhere, in anything. This is why many fanatics act like anyone who disagrees with them is literally Satan - because they are.
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>>50488513
Whoa, thats really weird to look at.
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>>50493899
It should also be noted that in Christianity a believer can't be possessed due to the Holy Spirit living inside them; the worst a demon can do to a believer is tempt them. Therefore I imagine in a setting where demons take physical form and attack people, Christians would be immune given their divine protection.
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>himans can't kill the giant monsters
>hunt all the prey animals to extinction
>monsters starve to death
Problem solved. Also, killing most traditional fantasy monsters wouldn't be too much harder than killing any of the massive beasts our ancestors wiped out. Dragons are a huge exception though, but it wouldnt be impossible.
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>>50494377
Yes this. Satan further more has no more power than you allow him to when you're a true baptized Christian. Otherwise he has complete dominion over earth, within the allowance of god

Christian mythology is pretty much 40k and we're all soul bound pyskers
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Yeah, seeing how humanity can adapt and improvise around the world, I also say we'd push those fuckers so hard, we would need to create fucking reservations for them.

At some point we would have some retarded internet activists shouting shit like
>release the displacer beasts
>demons are sentient beings, they deserve to choose
Pic fucking related

Not before struggling for years and maybe even centuries but yeah. Pretty much a matter of time.
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>>50485208
We would never have evolved into our current form.
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>>50493524
At least I didn't sell out before I got eaten by demons.
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We would have ruthessly exterminated or tamed them like we did with any predator. Our ancestors didnt fuck around competition.
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>>50490843
>>50485415

>This, we even drove many of the greatest predators to extintion.

None of whom were sapient nor had magic powers.
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>>50493096
The second part is anti-theism. It's a stupid way of thinking considering there are many gods and religions, but that's beside the point. Either way, you'd stop being an atheist.
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>>50493524
>Decide buddhism because lol, Karma is good right
>get trapped in the cold narakas for longer than the known universe has existed
Good plan. For real 頞部陀 is some shit, and each step after is 20x as long.
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>>50495940
Not one was sapient, nor were any magically inclined. Nor either were they half as powerful as mythological beasts.
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>modern humans
ya rip fucking demons and monsters, probably witches too
>shit-tier spear and bow human
rip ya fuckin mongoloid
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>>50485208
We're already one of the slowest and squishiest animals on Earth, yet we are the undisputed masters of it. What would make you think monsters of any size would make things any different?

As for witches and demons it depends entirely on the properties and power of magic.
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>>50485590
>If demons and monsters are vulnerable to that sort of thing.

I know that many supernaturals have legendary immunity to most weapons of Man, unless made of special materials -- Silver bullets, silver daggers, silver keys (to lock out evil), Hawthorn/Ash stakes for vampires, etc, or specially-treated -- blessed in the name of God/particular gods/saints, immersed in holy water, jumped over by a white virgin dog, whatever.
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>>50493535
>someone called "the angel of death" who wanted to continue sanctions against a nihilistic supperpower already bending from the last one, treathening nuclear war.

Angel of what now? Further, you make me disgusted to have survived the Cold War Era.

Also,

>supperpower
>treathening

No spellcheck?
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>>50497424
Copper and gold are from the same column as silver. Technically speaking they should have similar effect on vampires. Now I'm not proposing using gold bullets. That's too expensive. But cooper should be manageable, since we're already using copper for that sort of thing.
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>>50497492
>>supperpower
You know, turning your flesh and blood into bread and wine, but in a completely non-religious way.
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>>50497515

Orichalcum? I use it in my games to signify great age and potency in magic items.
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>>50497543
Yeah, that sounds more magical. It may be placebo, but that doesn't mean it's not going to help.
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>>50485208
Is this a carefully veiled humanity fuck yeah thread?
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>>50497326
> Humans build wall around city
> Gnoll mage uses earth magic to make it fall in a moment
> Humans throw spears/arrows
> Ogre Mage casts wind magic to stop it
> Humans come to fight melee
> Orcs are bigger and stronger and almost as numerous
> Other monsters might well outnumber uss

We'll never left bronze age without superntural powers of our own
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>>50485208
You should give us more info. In myths, witches and demons are often pretty subtle and prefer to trick humans instead of just erasing all them. You would have humans surviving no matter how strong they are since witches and specially demons need and desire servants. Witches probably need us to reproduce too, unless your witches are super weird.

Monster is a buzzword that gives us no information and could contain the other two, so I'm not even gonna awnser to that.
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>>50497627
Why would monsters have magic when humans do not? How is that even possible when humans are smarter than any of the species of monster you mentioned?
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>>50497762
Because FUCK humans.
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>>50497773

Then we'll make our *own* magic! With *blackjack*! And hookers!!
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>>50497762
OP said supernatural monster show up, he never said humans become magical.
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>>50497790
>>50497762
If humans have magic then things go as expected.
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>>50497796
He did say there were witches. Usually those are humans with magic. In the cases they aren't, I'd expect them to be lumped in with monsters rather than separated out.
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>>50497773
No, fuck u.

>>50497796
Neither he said monsters become magical, mostly because he didn't say shit apart from two vague sentences.
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We could weaponize demonic body-parts, like in Inuyasha, turning horns, bones, teeth, tusks, etc, into melee weapons or missiles.
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>>50497326
>What would make you think monsters of any size would make things any different?

Many monsters like Giants and Orcs are intelligent beings. That's the difference.
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>>50498376
So we teach them mathematics. They'll see that their big bosses are cheating them out of their hard earned pay and rebel.
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>>50485464
Discworld witches are cool.
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>>50497515
>>50497543
>>50497557

They said Silver for a reason. It's not based on Science; what properties "should" have it does not. It's magic: nobody has to explain shit.
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>>50498983
I have two ranks in Improvise that say otherwise.
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>>50493842
>I don't see any Ice giants
yea well you're not living in Jotunheim
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>>50497515
Do those have the same anti-bacterial properties as silver, from which its symbolic association with purity and thus with destroying evil probably springs? That seems like it would be the property to emulate.
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>>50500811
Yes, they do.
They also both find use in medicine.
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>>50485208
We already do desu
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>>50493535
So you're getting Mitt Romney with fewer braincells, and then also probably the actual Mitt Romney anyways
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>>50485208
Yes either the monsters have to obey physics in which case they get shot to death or they don't obey physics and researchers study how they do what they do and create magic guns/the armys training starts to look like something from wuxia.
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bumping with witches and music;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7zHuV0znQ0
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>>50488854
OH FUCK MY ASS
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>>50493842
That guy has too many eyes to be Odin.
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At this point I think humanity could probably survive against any non-sapient biological life form that doesn't possess inherent magical trickery like invisibility or teleportation. Witches and such seem tricky since its not like we possess any magic scanners to root them out, if they can convert others to their cause then we'll get a lot more satanic cults and such, but there would be mundane methods of keeping such groups in check

So what really matter is whether this scenario is about us today being exposed to such monsters like that movie "the mist" or about a world where mankind has evolved alongside such creatures.

Personally I'd love to see a regiment of modern soldiers holding the line against a horde of demons.
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>>50485208
>Seen realistically and without plot armor
>realistically
Sure because then there aren't any monsters, demons, or witches. That or they keep themselves hidden and don't fuck with us, you know, like the real world.
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Humans have been wiping out megafauna since prehistory.
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>>50485329
been there. the hill of crosses is more like a mound. kinda impressive though for sheer stubborn-ness
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>>50485208
Our existence would probably hinge on their not noticing or not caring about us.
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>>50504080
not exactly demons, but theres an Anime called GATE where the modern day japanese army goes to a high fantasy world and fights there. The show is mediocre at best and probably shitty for anyone who hates anime tropes, though.
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>monsters, and various other sentient rape beasts
We'd be fine. As the saying goes, if it bleeds, we can kill it.

>demons witchcraft and other fuckery
We're up a creek and would be little more than fodder. Not because of divine supernatural bullshit, because through hundreds of years of trial and error we'd figure out just about anything. But our own hubris would completely fuck us.

Think about it this way, if some giant semi-benevolent tentacle monster promised people whatever material possessions their heart desires in exchange for becoming conduits for demonic energy, basically every single person would agree. It wouldn't even be close. You'd probably have pseudo-Apple Stores set up where you sacrifice a baby every 6 months in exchange for a super flimsy shitty piece of plastic from a specific company.
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>>50485208
So, are witches human? If they're human, do they associate with humanity?

If no and no, then we be screwed.

If yes and no, then humanity may have a chance, since some loyal humans may be able to steal the witches' power, because human ingenuity.

If yes and yes, then we'd be fine. Random people would be witches, and they'd protect the rest.
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>>50485208
The question should really be "Could monsterkind survive in a world full of humans?"

Realistically, they'd be hunted to extinction within a few years.

Best case scenario, they'd be killed en masse then some governmental monster-rights advocacy group would emerge and demand safe areas be established for monsters to exist in.

Witches can blend into the mass of humanity fairly easily, so they'd be considered a threat for much longer than the bigger, more easily noticed monsters. Sort of depends on the type of witch.
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>>50506075
>Sort of depends on the type of witch.
The type that tastes like chicken when roasted.
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OP is retarded as hell, not even specifying WHEN this shit goes down. That's really fucking important. If all those things were to suddenly appear now, in a world like ours, they get btfo in most cases.

But if they came into existence before humans even achieve civilization, then humans are fucked beyond belief.
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>>50485208
There are too many factors to juggle to make an across-the-board decision.
I think it would end up looking something like Guilty Gear, to be honest, so yes.
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>>50490900
But crocs/alligators are pretty scary shit mate
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>>50507152
It is also a thing which is shaped not unlike itself!
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>>50485677
That's nice.
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>>50504553
neat
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>>50493096
That makes you an agnostic anti-theist rather then simply an atheist.

I know. I agree with you.
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>>50496002
>Not one was sapient
Well, there were the Neanderthals. They had culture, weapons and were physically stronger than us too.

>nor were any magically inclined
You got me there.
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>>50512748
So now we have to talk about the lack of plot armor.

Here's how I see it going. Let's say there are these great apex predators, some of whom are sapient. Now, non-sapient monsters aren't an issue. In terms of prey, humans are not the easiest prey and in terms of competition, we're hardly a threat compared to sabertooth tigers and such. To these great beasts, we'd just be like any other animal. If we cross their paths, we're lunch. Otherwise, we wouldn't be any more likely to be wiped out by them as the next lowly animal.

So then we'd have the sapient and more importantly, social creatures like demons and such. The question is, how much of a head start do they have on us?

Magically inclined creatures might not develop technology to begin with. There'd be no reason to develop weapons, although they may still develop cultural technology like musical instruments and housing. The problem is whether they'd actively wipe us out or enslave us.

Wiping us out seems unlikely for the same reason Mythical Beasts might ignore us. There are greater threats than humans, such as Orcs or even Elves. While Goblinoids seem to be easier pickings. Enslavement would have been the big issue, and indeed, it's thought that Neanderthals had kept humans as sex slaves.

The big issue is whether we'd survive long enough to develop weapons, tools and culture. Once we get pass that early hurdle, things begin to snowball. We'd be too spread out to be wiped out completely, even if the other races decide to commit genocide. Our overall progress might get halted here and there but as time passes, it's just gonna get worse and worse for the other races, regardless of how naturally superior they are to us.

Not only that, traditionally, races like Demons, Elves, Dwarves etc seem to peak technologically at around the middle ages. An Elf for instance, might boast that he has a magnificent bow which was developed 1000 years ago, but humans would improve on that design with each generation.
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>>50485208
>big lizard charges into town
>people retreat underground.
>lure beast out of town
>drone marks it with smoke
>slam it with artillery
We're smarter and have generally better weapons than these things, using military tech and strategy we'd wipe the floor with them.
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>>50512780
>but humans would improve on that design with each generation.
There isn't a whole lot to improve on once you have the basics.
Stronger humans can use stronger bows, and stronger bows require stronger arrows.
At some point the only thing really getting any more actual upgrades would be the arrow-head.

Now that doesn't mean you can't try to make bows smaller or more durable, but the actual functionality of the bow peaked a long time before the middle ages.
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>>50504078
read the text on that image and then think a little, did you hit your head or somethin?
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>>50493899
>Satan's forces are omnipresent and could be anywhere, in anything.
>in anything

>lol, crazy Christians
>*reaches to take a sip of coke*
>wait...
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