/swg/: Old Man Of The Empire Edition

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Whats the general consensus on Hutt PCs in the Star Wars RPG? What specializations are they best suited towards? Are they worth it, ridiculous, would you let them in? Just got my hands on the system and was thinking about getting Lords of Nal Hutta.

>>50421880

>They keep thrawn
>Not pellaeon too

What the fuck?

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>>50422110
I'm keeping hope that we'll see him in the Thrawn novel or once he axes the current chucklefucks he's surrounded with in Rebels

>>50422110
The whole point of Thrawn in the show is that he's dealing with rank incompetents. Palleon is too good of an officer, even in the Thrawn Trilogy, to put next to him without ruining that point.

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How are these in relation to
A. The Thrawn Trilogy
B. The Jedi Academy Trilogy

And I mean in "page turner" terms.
Do they make you want to keep reading?

>>50422390
in the Thrawn Trilogy he's not really incompetent, he's just too stuck in the Empire's old ways and too dependent on the Emperor's control (which I personally think he wouldn't have been if he'd been aware he was depending on it).

His growth over that trilogy and beyond illustrates the downside of the Emperor taking such personal control over everything.

>>50423428
You get a B-Wing with a Turbolaser mounted on it. So that's fun.

>Reading the X-wing series
>translating the combats into XWM games
>impossible manuevers under the normal game, but doable in high PS HotAC
>Want to have more of the characters show up in XWM
Rogue Squadron pack, with a title to help T-65s compete and Gavin, and the rest as pilots.

Hell even a trator X-wing with Erisi for all the empire players whining about there being a Rebel TIE.

>>50422390
>>50423649
Who are you talking about, Palleon? Because I agree completely, the point of that post was that Palleon was a competent officer in that trilogy wheras in Rebels Thrawn is surrounded by complete idiots.

>>50423428
Not quite Thrawn Trilogy, but better than Sun Crusher Trilogy.
I honestly remember very little about them, so they really didn't leave much impact.

>>50423971
was talking a Palleon, and I agree that he's too competent for the Thrawn in Rebels.
Then again, Thrawn with competent subordiants would be too much of a challenge for the Rebels of the show.

I just wanted to point out that when we first see Palleon, he seems kinda incompetent and over obsessed with protical, but that's to show his capacity for growth once he's freed from the restriction of the Empire's rigidity, and the Emperor's direct control.

He's not Thrawn's level of genius, but he's smart enought to recognize and compliment that level of genius. Like Watson when he's well written.

>>50421880

What are the chances Zahn will bring back Pellaeon in his new Thrawn book?

how come I see X-wing talk constantly but never armada?

>>50424071
>Watson
Exactly! There was a long period in pop cultural history where Watson was portrayed as a complete incompetent, which was only really reversed with Sherlock and the American series. A good Watson has his own skillset, applies the lessons he learns, and most importantly will ask questions or bring perspectives that his more intelligent and perceptive counterpart failed to consider. And yeah, Palleon is incompetent at first, but all three of those factors apply to him even in that triology. Most importantly he forsees factors that Thrawn himself was confident he could control-his continued reservations on C'boath being the most obvious example.

>>50424155
cost of entry.
While you can spend as much on X-wing as on armada, you can start X-wing for $50 if you spend even a little time hunting deals. by $100 you've got a decent selection.

Armada takes $100 just to start even when getting a good deal.

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>>50424155
Because Armada has like a tenth as many players. Partly due to expense, partly due to higher complexity, partly due to the game being slow on expanding until recently.

>>50424175
off on a slight tangent, but I love that the one thing Thrawn never sees as a threat is what undoes him.

He's wrong in that he thinks he can control C'boath, but he does realize he's a potential threat. But the Noghri he never considers might turn against him.

He considers the control the Emperor has over them too artfully done, too perfectly fit into their art, and he forgets to consider the sense that is so important to them that he lacks, scent. And that mistake slowly, slowly creeps in, never discovered, until at the perfect moment, it undoes everything.

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Are there any artworks depicting the Sith before the Dark Jedi came and conquered them?

Not the species, I have those, but the architecture, their society, dressings and such.

>>50424443
It's all so perfect. And I totally forgot until now that Leia was the lynchpin of that plan, beating Thrawn by doing something so totally, outrageously insane that he wouldn't even consider it-siding with the assassins that want to kidnap her and her children. I once made a masterpost on tumblr about how utterly badass Leia is, but somehow I completely forgot that she converted an entire species to my side with nerves of steel, investigation, and insane charisma.

God, the Heir to the Empire trilogy really was GOAT tier.

>>50424541
and kindness, forgiveness, and an unflincing sense of justice.

I love it when a characters moral strengths can both get them in trouble, but is also the cause of there success.
If she hadn't been willing to forgive the assassin for the attempt, if she hadn't been so motivated to correct the injustice she saw, then it wouldn't have happened.
It seems insane to Thrawn because the morals she's embodying are foreign to him. Not to say that Thrawn doesn't consider morals, or is all out evil (like say, the Emperor), but to forgive from grace, to risk oneself over injustice to another, that's madness in him mind.

>>50422110
Thrawn and Pellaeon didn't always serve together, even in Legends. It's entirely possible that Pellaeon will return some time later in nucanon, possibly via Zahn's Thrawn novel.

>>50422110
Thrawn and Pellaeon didn't even meet until something like seven years after the rebels era in Legends, though I'm putting good odds on his showing up in Zahn's novel

>>50421880
>be earlier today
>see no /swg/ thread
>create /swg/ thread
>nobody posts in it
>it falls off the catalog in like an hour

Well, we weren't able to get in both Imperial Assault missions, but I did win the one mission we played. It'll probably be like a month before the next time we can get together for the finale. Stupid fucking holidays.

>>50424391
Also
>Armada needs twice as much space to play a regulation game
>Armada games generally take longer
>there just isn't enough of it yet
>no third faction

>>50425930
I saw it anon, and if it's any consolation I thought "Belated Tanksgiving" was a fucking hilarious thread title.

>>50423428
>>50424056
They're okay, the Centerpoint station is dumb but it's not offensively bad.

>>50426156
I don't know what would be a good third faction.
The scum factions don't go in for large amounts of capital ships, and I think everyone agrees that the Vong were, are, and would be a terrible idea.

Being bigger and slower aren't strict downsides, though I do see them as limiting the audiance.

Needing more stuff is a thing, but it looks like there is some inbound.

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>>50421880

Hello, I asked in this thread about what to make in ff swrpg a month or so ago, thought i'd drop my character sheet in here for criticism and the like. Gear isn't listed, largely because it's a pile of crap.

Lleyn Cadwelleyn, Human (Ceresian) Warrior (Starfighter Ace)
Light Side Paragon (71 Morality)


Attributes: 2
Agility: 4

Ranged (Light) 1
Pilot (Planetary) 1
Cool 1
Athletics 1
Perception 1
Piloting (Space) 2
Astrogation 1
Mechanics 1
Gunnery 1

-70 xp Agility 2->4
-5xp Skilled Jockey
-5xp Rapid Reaction
-5xp Gunnery 0->1
-5xp Mechanics 0->1
-10xp Force Power: Enhance
-5xp Force Power: Enhance (Control 1)
-5xp Force Power: Enhance (Control 2)
-5xp Force Power: Enhance (Control 3)
-10xp Force Power: Sense

Career Skills: Athletics, Brawl, Cool, Melee, Perception, Survival, Astrogation, Gunnery, Mechanics, Piloting (Space)

Force Power: Enhance
Control x 3 (Enhance): Applies to Athletics, Piloting (Planetary), Coordination, Piloting (Space)

Force Power: Sense

+110xp Human Starting XP
+10xp Minor Gambit (Owes 80,000 Republic Credits to the Hutts for the loss of starship when fired from mercenary company)
+65xp Earned during play

>>50425642
>Thrawn and Pellaeon didn't even meet until something like seven years after the rebels era in Legends, though I'm putting good odds on his showing up in Zahn's novel
They met in Choices of One.

>>50426602
>I don't know what would be a good third faction.
If prequels were on the table then the CIS would be a cool faction, I imagine them as not very tough but with long range and cheap escort options.

>>50421880
What's the most exotic Twi'lek skin color? The one that would be most desirable?

Not sure if it would be Red, Blue or Green. I want to say Blue or Green because plenty of other humanoids with Red skin exist but only Pantorans/Wroonians and Mirialans come to mind for Blue and Green respectively.

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>>50426927
Do they have patterns?

>>50426953
Pretty sure Twi'lek don't normally have patterns.

>>50426927

I think it's Rutian (red), and whatever the purple flavor is called.

>>50426740
while I don't mind the prequels for Armada, if they included CIS, they might as well add the Republic as a faction, as it is pretty different from the Rebels.

>>50426927
desirable to who?

>>50426953
>>50427001
some do tatoo their lekku, according the the X-wing novels.

>>50427003
Not what I would have picked. Purple does make the most sense though, considering it's a color I don't think I've seen on a Twi'lek.

>>50427093
>desirable to who?

Slave traders mainly but I wonder what would be considered the most attractive.

>>50427113

Woops. Rutian is blue, and fairly common. Lethan is red, and is a rare mutation.

>>50427113
slave traders probably go for what's rarest, but might also be biased by their own species.
It would be up to you to decide whether they'd want something different, or something familiar.

Also, how common are the 'normal' flesh toned Twi'lek? iirc Jabba's majordomo has pretty boring pale yellow/pink skin.

>>50427148
Blegh, red is meh.

>>50427169
Judging from the comics, brown to pink is fairly common, especially among males.

>>50426609

Speaking of which, we keep having these hand to hand battles vs roughly equal numbers of enemy mooks who use blasters, hand weapons. What's the best 1handed blaster I can make with all the weapon mods etc, and if I don't want to hose things down with a repeater is there any better strategy for my xp than getting force rating 2 asap, and battle meditation, and turning the two hoser-downers into literal turbolasers?

>>50427227
You can make a disruptor pistol into a pretty big deal.

>>50427260
>Disruptor
It's like you want him to be arrested for war crimes.

>>50427293
War Crimes. Wind Chimes. Things happen.

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>>50426953
the dancer from Episode II did. It was apparently pretty rare and considered exotic and valuable

>>50427260

The base 10 damage looks pretty okay, although it's illegal in all systems. It also says it can't do multiple shots.. but there are no modifications that give extra shots? Are there?

>>50422038

They're pretty damn ridiculous. That said, I would totally allow them, and you should totally use them. Who doesn't want a giant, obese space slug on their smuggler/rebel/jedi crew?

>>50427504

* leading their smuggler/rebel/jedi crew

ftfy

Also, it's not a giant, obese space slug. It's a giant, obese space slug _jedi_.

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>>50427702
Who you callin fat?!?

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>>50427974

It's all in the lighting.

In all seriousness, a /fit/ Hutt sounds like a fun character.

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>>50428058
There's always Swole the Hutt

>>50428136
Gotta stick with naming conventions.

Swolba the Hutt.

>>50428058
That image goes COMPLETELY against his description in the book, and I actually put up with the book to learn it!

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Aww yeah, here we go again.

Tales From the Mos Eisley Cantina is the first of the themed short story collections edited by Kevin J. Anderson in 1995. It features a bunch of short stories that are united by the theme of characters who passed through the Mos Eisley Cantina is A New Hope. Which is actually a great gimmick for a shorts collection, and it includes several stories that directly dovetail into other stories, so there's an interconnectedness.

So, a quick rundown of the stories:

1) We Don't Do Weddings: The Band's Tale, written by The Truce at Bakura's Kathy Tyers. It starts the book strong with a goofy tale of Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes sneaking out of their exclusive contract with Jabba so they can play a gig for the wedding of Lady Valerian, Jabba's Tatooine rival. The gig goes to shit because Jabba loves fucking with Valarian, and the band barely escapes to lie low at the Cantina because one of the band befriends the bartender there. Good stuff, and the audiobook version is great.

2) A Hunter's Fate: Greedo's Tale, by Dark Empire's Tom Veitch and his wife Martha. Most of this story was retconned to hell and back by the Prequels, but it does give Greedo a degree of pathos as a refugee fleeing a genocidal dictator and then living as a young punk on the streets of Nar Shadda where he gets taken under the wing of two sleazy bounty hunters named Dyz Nataz and Spurch “Warhog” Goa when he saves them from a bigger, badder bounty hunter named Gorm the Dissolver. Tipping the Empire off to a Rebel cell on Nar Shadda gets his slum (and family) killed and he travels to Tatooine with big dreams of bounty hunting for Jabba as he marches to his doom. It gets a little mystical with a vision of his dead mom at the end, but the story's okay, especially the Nar Shadda stuff.

1/

>>50428519
3) Hammertong: The Tale of the “Tonnika Sisters”, by everyone's favorite Timothy Zahn. Its about a group of Mistryl Shadow Guards (that got introduced in the Thrawn Trilogy) taking a job to transport a top secret project for the Empire but get attacked by the empire and steal the Strike Cruiser the Hammertong was on (its a good action sequence, but the Empire's motivation there is...vague). They crash on Tatooine and sneak into town disguised as infamous con women the Tonnika Sisters and discover the Hammertong is a part of the Death Star II superlaser and meet a Rebel agent who copies the blueprints for it and they go their separate ways. Fun action featuring badass ladies, but its kind of inconsequential and not up to Zahn's better material.

4) Play It Again, Figrin D'an: The Tale of Muftak and Kabe by A.C. Crispin, who'd later write the Han Solo Trilogy. Its a fairly simple heist story as Muftak and Kabe are a pair of street thieves trying to make a big score by raiding Jabba's town house in Mos Eisley. Along the way, Muftak learns that he's a Talz. Fun little crime heist that directly ties into the next story.

5) The Sand Tender: The Hammerhead's Tale by Courtship of Princess Leia's Dave Wolverton. This one's about Momaw Nadon, the exiled Ithorian leader carving out a small living on Tatooine when he's reunited with the Imperial officer who ruined his life. Goes into the moral conflict of a pacifist trying to seek revenge against an evil man and consequences and guilt. Pretty good.

6) Be Still My Heart: The Bartender's Tale by David Bischoff, in his only Star Wars story. Its a dark comedy about how Wuher the bartender, who hates droids, rescues a heavily modified droid from Jawas and uses it to make a super strong booze to impress Jabba the Hutt. By feeding Greedo's corpse into the droid. Kind of fucked up, but funny.

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>>50428534
7) Nightlily: The Lovers' Tale by Barbara Hambly, who'd go on to infamy as the author of Children of the Jedi. This is about Gotal tax collector Feltipern Trevagg being a complete douchebag and falling in lust for a naïve H'nemthe traveler named Nightlily that he wants to to be his next sexual conquest, but the irony of it all is that H'nemthe mating habits involve the females eviscerating the males during the act, and Trevagg's body is found the next day. Along the way he senses a Jedi in the city and thinks to claim the bounty on him, but gets sidetracked by his libido. Its okay.

8) Empire Blues: The Devaronian's Tale by Daniel Keys Moran, who'd write for the the next two short story collections. This one's about how Mos Eisley's drunkest information broker “Labria” is actually a fugitive war criminal named Kardue'sai'Malloc, the Butcher of Montellian Serat, and noted music lover and his plan to hear the Modal Nodes play for him, so in essence, he's the one responsible for getting them in the Cantina in the first place. Pretty good and it gets followed up in another book

9) Swap Meet: The Jawa's Tale by Jedi Academy and Tales of the Jedi's Kevin J. Anderson. This is about oddball Jawa Het Nkik, who has crazy ideas like “standing up and fighting against people that hurt Jawas.” His best friend's clan is the one killed by Stormtroopers looking for Threepio & Artoo, and he buys a black market piston intent on revenge, stopping at the Cantina for some liquid courage before finding a group of stormtroopers in the city.

10) Trade Wins: The Ranat's Tale, by Anderson's wife Rebecca Moesta. Its a short short story about a Ranat scavenger named Reegesk looking for power sources so his clan can get a bootleg moisture vaporator up and running, and lo and behold, he takes advantage of a very distracted Het Nkik and steals the power cell out of the Jawa's blaster. A direct companion piece to Het's story.

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>>50428543
11) When The Desert Wind Turns: The Stormtrooper's Tale, by Air Force veteran Doug Beason. Its the first real look at Imperial training and the harsh life of boot camp on Carida as it follows Davin Felth from idealistic recruit to promising AT-AT pilot to getting demoted to Stormtrooper duty by General Veers for pointing out a tactical flaw in the walkers to getting to Tatooine and seeing Imperial atrocities up close as they search for missing droids. Along the way he sees his fellow troopers gun down a crazy jawa who jumped out at them and fired an empty blaster, so its a companion piece to the above two stories, and Felth decides to help the Rebellion by fragging his commanding officer in the Millennium Falcon's escape. It does a lot to humanize the grunts of the Empire and also the AT-AT boner in the middle of the story is pretty great.

12) Soup's On: The Pipe Smoker's Tale by Jennifer Roberson. Dannik Jerriko is an Anzat assassin who rambles on and on and on to himself about the “Soup” that he drinks from his victims and how badass and awesome and cool he is and how he's going to enjoy drinking the soup of a Han Solo but he never gets up off of his ass on the stool and that's it. That's fucking it. Its just a rambling internal monologue where absolutely nothing fucking happens and the narrator doesn't do jack shit except talk himself up with inane purple prose. This story is boring fucking garbage that goes nowhere. I have a sinking suspicion that reading Aftermath is going to be a similar exercise in rage

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>>50428556
13) At the Crossroads: The Spacer's Tale by Jerry Oltion in his only Star Wars story. Its the wacky adventures of Force-sensitive smuggler and hotshot pilot BoShek, the guy who introduces Kenobi to Chewbacca. After evading an Imperial patrol and stopping off in the Cantina, he gets chased by the Imps into the wreck of the Dowager Queen where he impersonates a religious preacher to buy some time, then steals a speeder and finally manages to use the Force to mind trick some sandtroopers and then decides to return the speeder and make something more with his life. Fun, pulpy action.

14) Doctor Death: The Tale of Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba by Kenneth C. Flint. The only story not directly taking place during A New Hope, its set some years after with Evazan on Ando scamming an Aqualish senator out of money to do his experiments on when he gets attacked by a vengeful family from a previous medical atrocity. Oh, and he tries to transfer Ponda Baba's mind into the Senator's with...mixed results. Its got a very Hammer Horror vibe to it that's a lot of fun.

5/

reviewing the short story collections is going to be a bitch, I can tell already

>>50428568
15) Drawing the Maps of Peace: The Moisture Farmer's Tale by M. Shayne Bell. Ariq Joanson is an idealistic moisture farmer who's living on the edge of Tusken Raider territory and gets the idea that if he can map out the region, he can delineate between Human, Jawa and Tusken territory and everything's gonna be great. He makes some progress with a Jawa clan and even has a sort of peaceful relationship with the Tuskens, but then the Sand People raid his neighbor's wedding, kill the groom (who was against the peace overtures from the start) and kidnap the bride and he goes to try and defuse the situation, but the Empire doesn't want any of that happening and it all goes to shit. Its...odd, but some of the Jawa and Tusken culture stuff is good.

16) One Last Night in the Mos Eisley Cantina: The Tale of the Wolfman and the Lamproid by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens. Lak Sivrak, Shistavanen Wolfman and X-Wing pilot takes part in the Battle of Endor, goes into a suicide rage and gets shot down, and as his fighter falls toward the forest moon, he trips balls about his life, imagining himself back at the Cantina meeting Dice Ibegon for the first time and getting recruited into the Rebellion, then forward to Hoth where Dice dies and then back to the Cantina where it gets weird and metaphysical and its just bad. Not as bad as the Dannik Jerriko story, but its a muddled mess of a story that doesn't make much sense and is contradicted by pretty much every other representation of the Force.

So there we are. Two completely bad stories out of 16 and the rest are all in the breddy gud to great range. Definitely recommended for the fun seedy underbelly stuff and for the collective worldbuilding that it does. Top tier, especially if you're into Scum and Villainy.

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>>50428556
Davin felth is unironically my favorite star wars character.

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>>50428556
>>50428608
I didn't really like how it made Veers look deliberately stupid, rather than having Luke';s trick be startling.

>>50428863
Yeah, that's probably the worst part of that entire story since Veers later gets the reputation as the Empire's finest ground commander. still not as bad as getting demoted to Colonel and killed off-hand in Dark Empire

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>>50428519
I hate that the images from the webstrip of Greedo's tale just strapped prongs onto assault shuttles or assault transports instead of giving the empire giant repulsor-crabs with crushing pincers.

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>>50428924
On the other hand, Gorm the Dissolver's design is wonderfully insane.

>>50428919
Killed by his son (or was it nephew?) who was a gunner on a New Republic Star Destroyer no less.

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I love helmets so much.

>>50428953
>Gorm the Dissolver
God, I love that name.

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I find it funny that they made a Gammorean Gladiator statue.

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>>50429025
Helmeeeetttsssss.

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Apparently this is a model or actress's face underneath?

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>>50429025
>>50429124

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CompForce deserves more love and attention.

Hey /swg/ my college gaming club might be starting up a campaign soon, and I've got some HotAC questions.

Can I (and is it a good idea to) use a K-wing in HotAC?
Is the E-wing a decent player ship?

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>>50428534
>Be Still My Heart
haha, I remember reading that one for the first time and just 'wtf!' because it was so out of left field you couldn't help but laugh.

>>50429264
They are remarkably flexible when you just want some arseholes to annoy PC's with, it can be as small as having them on street corners handing out pamphlets on how you can improve yourself by being part of the new order, or as big as 'oh hi, we're here to reprogram your planets culture!'
Plus when push comes to shove, you can drop lots of fanatical, poorly trained lunatics all over them which uses up lots of ammo and generally no one feels inordinately bad about killing.

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Are there Floating Droid rules for FFG Star Wars?

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>>50429809
Checking what this is. either it or one of the ones next to it is a security droid with no entry on the Wook.

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>>50429854

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>>50429893

What's SWG's opinion on Darksaber?

>>50429979
should have been split into the darksaber plot, as a comedy starring wrath squadron, and the imperial reunification plot, as a totally separate novel

>>50430007
Also, Crix Madine deserved a better death.

>>50430037
well, yeah. if it was a comedy, he wouldn't have died.
but yes, he did

>>50430007
>>50430037
Yeah, no deaths in the ideal remake, just pure comedy.

Question: By the time of The Battle of Yavin, how much of the Imperial Fleet is moored at Kuat and what class of ships?

>>50430321
we have absolutely nothing even resembling information on this, let alone precise numbers. Hell, we don't even know how many of each class of ship there are in the imperial navy, or in fact WHAT classes are in service in any given decade, let alone year

OH god the ewok only has Junior Jedi knights in txt. I don't know how I can read this shit.

>>50429153

it's this

>http://danluvisiart.deviantart.com/art/NOA-LMS-300798860

Does anyone have the Hammerhead Corvette and Imperial Light Cruiser Stats that were posted weeks ago?

>>50430321
A lot.

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Question

How viable would it be to use Shiii-Cho Spec to reflavor and reuse as some sort of Sword Duelist spec?

Marauder is great for damage output, but ti doesn't seem to represent someone whose trained to duel with a sword and go back & forth in a proper swordfight

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>>50424448

The very first time you ever see Sith is the Tales of the Jedi Comics, and by that point, the Sith were already ruled by "dark jedi" (?)

But really, if you haven't read the Tales of the Jedi Comics, do so.

Forget TOR and KotOR even exist, because they're both shit in comparison

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>>50431846

I have read them. They're pretty much my favorite comics. For one, being Sith doesn't mean you automatically wield a red lightsaber. And the aesthetics, where everything really feels and reads like space fantasy.

I'm in need of d20 books and the folder from main post has been cleaned. Any PDFs around?

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>>50431858
>For one, being Sith doesn't mean you automatically wield a red lightsaber

Pre-Hyperspace War sith didn't even use Lightsabers, which was a nice touch.

I've been working on rules for Sith Alchemy Swords for FFG, and its pretty simple. They work just like any kinda melee weapon, count as having the cortosis quality if you commit a force dice, and as part of a melee combat check, you can roll force dice, spending black pips for additional damage, or additional advantage, or even a vicious rating increase.

>>50431877
Nevermind, I'm retarded.

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>>50431887

>Pre-Hyperspace War sith didn't even use Lightsabers, which was a nice touch.

I know, I was just talking about the Exar Kun era of the Tales of the Jedi.

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>>50426927
Yuthura Ban from Kotor had a pretty unusual skin color. And as a result, she gained quite a following.

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>>50431901

Yeah, purple is really rare.

>>50429809
Pretty sure there are. But I'm so lazy I can't be assed to walk into my bedroom and grab the book to check.

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Hello, /tg/. I need your help and opinion in matter of my SW project.

You see, I plan to create quest (in similar fashion to those 4chan ones, just much less messy and in better organized place.

I want to create quest about alternative version of history based on alternative KOTOR 2 ending - Keira partial victory. Long story short, Exile is forced to stop the machine within the Malachor V and in combination of both explosion and her unique traits, Keira manages to damage the Force itself. In a following years many of Force sensitive go insane, dies or are forced to cut their ties to the Force.

The game itself would start during the Galactic War, where voters would create their characters as young Force sensitive, either padawan, sith adept or no member of any order.

I want to use old SW d20 system. Do you think it will be good one or there is better? Any comments? Mechanics tips?

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>>50432196
>SW d20 system

There is no redeeming quality of SW d20.

Use FFG, its considerably better.

>>50432270
FFG?

>>50432279
Fantasy Flight Games. Edge of the Empire, Age o Rebellion and Force and Destiny are pretty good systems that flow really well once you understand how the dice mechanic works. Starfighter combat needs houserules to not be unnecessarily lethal, though.

Though I would argue that the d20/Saga sourcebooks are good for material that was created after the WEG system and not covered in FFG. There's a lot that falls into that time period.

What are some good TIE Defender builds? I have a real hard on for them, but I'm pretty new to X-Wing

>>50433022
Absolutely would recommend X7 title from Imperial Veterans, TIE Mk II modification from the Punisher expansion, and Push the Limit from the A-Wing or Imperial Aces expansion.

Attach to Countess Ryad for best results.

My girlfriend thrashes the shit out of me with this build. Season with Royal Guard Interceptors to taste.

>>50433074
Thanks friend, I'll have a look. Was thinking about grabbing Imp Vets over christmas, so definitely will now.

>>50429347
I remember laughing when the story got a subtle callback in Bacta War - Wuher calls dibs on a Rodian who was trying to intimidate Mirax and Corran.

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>>50433250
Absolutely worth it m8. I've been running Defenders competitively since they came out, and Defenders fixes almost all of their shortcomings.

The X7 title fixes their lack of a natural evade action, and further encourages the high speed 'boom and zoom' tactics their dial promotes.

The TIE/D title is, offensively, an absolute powerhouse. The Tractor Beam combos brutally well with TIE/X1's, the Ion Cannon makes the 4k deathroll even more horrifying.

However, I'd ABSOLUTELY recommend getting the Twin Ion Engine Mark II upgrade if you can. The TIE Defender normally only has straight greens, and against Stressbots and Tactician, or, worse, a Phantom with Rebel Captive, you'll get locked up and shot down. The new engine prevents this.

Could I get some help with the FFG system here?
Trying to make a kind of cowardly face, who more of makes friends with everyone and usually "knows a guy", rather than the inspiring politician or sly trickster. What's the class and spec I should choose that lets me do that?

>>50429305
Neither are in the rules. They don't fit the time period, they are super op, and the K doesn't even have a hyperdrive.

>>50433387
Your best bet is probably the Charmer specialization from Fly Casual. I don't know if it's so much of the "I know a guy" style, but it's closer to that than a figurehead or trickster.

>>50434355
I'm probably just poor at explaining it. Basically, just a guy who's better at genuinely befriending and convincing opponents, rather than buffing the party or conning marks.

>>50434392
OK, so Charmer really is probably your best bet.

>>50434413
Not that guy, but is there any reason Diplomat isn't better? The signatures let you talk down a whole crowd of enemies from combat.

>>50434462
I guess the Ambassador specialization would work pretty well, too. I guess I missed that one on my first glance. But most of the other Diplomat specializations are either tricky or inspiring.

>>50433022
Defenders are basically THE meta right now. The x7 title makes them cheaper and more durable, to the point where they are the only high agility imperial ship that is competitively viable without Sheev babysitting their dice.

If you want to play Defenders, just tack on x7 and you really have a hard time going wrong after that. I've pretty much stopped playing them because it's so easy mode.

>>50423428
lots of little tykes if i remember. This is the setup for "Anakin Solo can force power machines" or something like that. Explains a lot of Correllian shit, and gives us a Han Solo look-alike competition.

>>50424155
If you want to talk about armada, feel free. I play it, and there are a few other Elegan/tg/entlemen around who play.

>>50424155
>>50434736

I play, I just don't know of anyone at my uni that plays. I'm looking for a FLGS that might have more players.

So I'm GMing a game set during the SWTOR Cold War, but I like the Sith (species) as they appeared in Tales of the Jedi. How do I go about fixing this?

I've already switched the Empire to being a group of people united in hatred of the Republic, and done my best to make the Emperor less of a mary sue (by removing almost all of his lore).

has anyone leaked shyla varads starter weapon or rest of deck yet for IA?

>>50434890
And the Sith "order" is a very different entity from the actual Sith, who are more or less not!Egyption-Indians led by Sword & Sorcery characters. They hate each other very much.

>>50434890

>Sith (species) as they appeared in Tales of the Jedi

Those aren't pure Sith though.

Those are the descendants of the Dark Jedi who interbred with the Sith natives.

>>50434892
Not that I'm aware of. What we do know about her looks pretty great, though.

>>50434989
Honestly, I really don't like the whole thing about humans wiping them out through interbreeding. Plus, they were no less alien than your average race looks wise so...

>>50435023

What I don't get is how the Dark Jedi could have done that in the first place, given that this is an entire species we're talking about here, consisting of hundreds of millions of Sith, if not tens of billions.

As far as I remember, the Dark Jedi didn't arrive in sufficiently high numbers to interbreed with the whole fucking species and even when you look at it with the passage of years, it's still not enough.

>>50435055
Where there's a hot alien chick, there's a way.

>>50435200

Before this whole mess of "The Sith were bred out of existence" happened, a friend had this fan-theory of the less savory elements of the old Republic just using biological warfare to render the species sterile.

>>50435244
Pre-SWTOR, the reason was that the Republic commited straight up genocide on them. I'm keeping that reason, except it worked about as well as any genocide would in a universe where any scrub can own their own spaceship.

>>50435297

The Sith, for the most part, didn't own personal stuff like that. They were divided into their caste bullshit, so the average Sith wouldn't own a starship of his own and only isolate settlements like the stuff on Yavin 4 where Naga Sadow fucked off after his defeat, survived the galactic purge.

>>50435322
There would be enough ships and republicans with some semblance of a conscience to smuggle them offworld.

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>>50435436

>republicans with some semblance of a conscience

If I was well versed into USA politics, this would be a great time to make a joke.

But anyway, yeah, I suppose that could happen, but nothing that would actually sustain them in high enough numbers to survive as a species.

Speaking of seemingly extinct species, whatever happened to the Miraluka? I only remember Jerec from Dark Forces being mentioned in the relatively modern day of Star Wars, and even that's now relegated to Legends.

>>50435493
They're probably just not allowed off their original homeworld, or outright genocided by Sheev.

Much like the Ikotochi.

>>50435493
NuCanon hasn't mentioned them. Yet.

>>50435607

inb4 they rip off Visas, but name her Misas or something equally stupid and remove everything that people actually liked about her character

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https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/11/28/valuable-intel/

It's up. Dial looks great for the price point.

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>>50435838

Heff Tobbler looks fun. Should be good with Zeb and FCS.

Bodhi looks fun as fuck, both versions. Cheap LRS without the Turn One but no drawback. He'll make Rebel ordinance great again.

Inspiring recruits makes rage usable on any ship with a crew and EPT slot. Which is actually shockingly few ships, but should be really good on the ones that can take it. I'm looking at you PS9 PWTs.

Baze as a ghetto gunner is a welcome addition. Attack again but not against the same ship, for two less points. Might be hilarious with HSCP, for extra token stripping, and it doesn't totally break the bank.

Pity it looks like we won't get to see the new EPT, but they say it's coming out before the movie in the article, which means like two-three weeks max.

>>50435838
>The U-wing was also an Incom design
holy fuck did the rebels get a good deal from that manufacturer.

>>50431829

Isn't Shii-Cho literally "How Not to Decapitate Yourself With a Laser Sword 101"?

>>50435946

Baze + Rex is basically a somewhat janky 5pt Luke Skywalker Crew card.
Inspiring Recruits being open faction and 1pt is amazing and near asmuch kills the Stresshog and to a lesser extent Tactician.

I think that needed to be Rebels only, but we'll see.

There's still two cards to be spoilt though.

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Got bored and made an Obi-Wan crew card.

>>50435838

Oh yeah, this baby is worth it. Bodhi changing the TL game, Cassian/Inspiring recruit eats stress. Jyn Hands out focus like candy. Heff+Cassian crew makes a blocker who pairs well with some other crew options. Very solid. Plus it's own torp slot means it might take advantage of Shenanigans with the TLs. Dial isn't amazing but isn't shit either, it has hardly any red and can 2 turn at least.

Definitely gonna try some stuff out with Norra/Bodhi some time.

>>50435838
Afraid to look for the risk of spoilers.

>>50437378
No plot details are revealed

>>50437378
No spoilers except for character names. Except if you have incredible foresight and can divine plot points from character's abilities alone

>>50435957
The engines say "Incom" but that cockpit just screams "Koensayr"

>>50438184
I agree, it's a frankenstein mash of the A, Y and X-wing and I kinda like it

>>50435946
>Heff Tobbler
That sounds like a dessert.

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>>50432196
The saga d20 is nice, and plays a lot Like 3.5d&d in space. If that's what you want, go for it mate. I like the game concept, but why does it have to take place during an existing war? Have it move into the era of rebuilding after kotor2, with Brianna and Afton and the rest working to rebuild. It can be really neat, and easier to incorporate the player to the setting, letting them feel like 'heroes' and not sidelines while the named characters talk.

>>50432270
The above being said, saga edition is not perfect, and the Fantasy Flight role play is quite stream lined, to make the game focus on what your doing, instead of can you do it. Less direct math and DC values, more i-do-this attitude. Both have flaws and successes, but calling the saga edition worthless is a little harsh. My group still uses it because we know the d20 system, but that about it.

>>50424448
>>50431846
>>50431858
>>50431887
>>50431894
I remember there was SOMETHING about King Adas but not much.

>>50438743
>and the Fantasy Flight role play is quite stream lined,
Not so much in book design. There's a lot of nonsensical back and forth.

>>50426927
In universe it's canonically red. Out of universe, purple or black.

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>>50438777

This is it.

They don't show him at all.

>>50434822
I don't play it too often, but I have enjoyed having actual ship models in my Saga edition group. Combination of armada, xwing and good old starwars miniatures allows for neat levels of combat ground and space, which saga edition sucks at. It helps the players visualize much better as well.

For a campaign starring a single player as an Imperial captain dealing with various shenanigans in the outer/mid rim, what ship would you recommend? I was thinking a star destroyer would be a bit too powerful/op, atleast to start with.

>>50438805
I was 90% sure I saw a picture of him with black skin leading some sith through a narrow valley during the Rakata slave rebellion.

>>50438917
Maybe a Decimator? If you want to go bigger, you can never go wrong with the classic CR90.

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>>50438917

How about a garbage scow?

>>50438955

Never saw anything of the sort.

It might have been fanart, anon.

>>50438917
>>50438961
Decimator, IPV+Hyperdrive, Vigil, Raider, or Rendili Customs Corvette, Redili customs frigate (Actually smaller than a corvette because rendili was butthurt about their dreadnought getting reclassified to a cruiser) Guardian class patrol ship, arqitens light cruiser, Gozanti transport.

Gamma Class Assault Shuttle or Gamma Class Assault Transport (The tramsport's a bit fucky since it has four turreted TURBOLASERS on a very small ship that still has room for troops, ion cannons and missiles) Delta class stormtrooper transport (The gamma's little brother that only has a bucketload of front facing lasers, ions, and missiles), Or the escort Transport, which has all of the Gamma's turbolasers AND the Delta's forward lasers.

Or a Cr90 if you're feeling generic, an Assassin to be a little less generic.

>>50438917
There's a lot of options, but my go-to would be a frigate, or light cruiser. A neb-B or Strike Cruiser would be great choices, simply for versatility

>>50438961
>>50439028
>>50439201
These are all great suggestions, it just occurred to me that the start of the campaign could be about being sent to a mid/outer rim world where the real flagship is being constructed or repaired, whose progress has been stopped by a rebellion on the planet beneath the shipyard, stopping the flow of resources.
Digging the guardian class light cruiser or a Decimator to start off with. Could be a Nebulon B or the like in construction in orbit Thanks for the help!

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Does somebody play this thing? How is it? Is it worth getting into? Will i have to spend more money after buying both starters and a booster box?

>>50438777
>not so much in book design
That's because their editing department is come combination of massively overworked and high on all the drugs.

I have the special edition Rogue Trader book, where they mispelled their own setting name, in one of the chapter headers that appears on every page of that chapter.

>>50431829
Try makshi for dueling. Shi cho is the jedi version of marouder

>>50439588
Been reading, haven't messed with it yet on TTS. Seems fun based on people's reactions and the mechanics involved, but hard to say. Game seems decent, but its hard to say until the secondary market really gets going and we can see how expensive the cards will be in terms of cost and whether it'll get more than 1 or 2 more expansions. Best suggestion would be to boot up TTS with a friend and try the starter decks since there's a mod for it.

>>50439588
Game sounds fun to play but I can't get behind that art at all.

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>>50421880

Has anyone here run a capital ship-centric campaign with the FFG system? If so, do you have any advice for running one?

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>>50442175

[Genocide Intensifies]

>>50442356

Ignore the quote.

>>50442175
Currently running one and working on a wargame supplement to go with it. Strategize before the start of combat and use ship battery rules and minion starfighter squadrons. I play with one on one with a guy. Rounds are long but the actual combat scenarios take only 3-4 rounds. If you have more than one player and one ship, spread your party out among different ships so you dont have just one guy controlling every ship or the gm controlling every ship

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luuuke_Skywalker

>Luuuke Skywalker and Streeen build a time machine and send their clone army back to the Clone Wars to fight the Grand Army of the Republic

Zahn you cheeky bastard,

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>>50433291
Sounds like a good low-mid adventure hook
>Rodian's are disappearing at a staggering rate around the galaxy
>PC's get hired to find a missing Rodian by his family

And I guess the rest follows a real 'Sovlent Green' type of plot

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>>50433291
I forgot they had a scene in Mos Eisley in Bacta war.

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>>50444013
And a closeup on the other gun.

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I wonder how they transported and installed these things.

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>>50444078
I figured that before they got taken out they were on these little platforms, but the finished versions of the drop pods don't have these platforms which is unfortunate.

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More outcast screenies.

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I fucking hated these guns. Couldn't hit shit.

>>50431829
I took a stab at it as a hired gun spec, rejigging the skills and swapping the melee/lightsaber stuff for unarmed/melee equivalents and putting enduring in place of center of being (mostly out of laziness).

Marauder is probably better, but it's different enough to be worth considering. Worth asking your gm about.

Any deals for X wing Miniatures right now for Cyber Monday? Been away from home all day and haven't had a chance to look.

>>50428519
Did you review the other tales books? I'd love to read them in so

>>50444461
Not yet. Tales from Jabba's Palace is next.

I'm leaving off Tales from the Empire and Tales from the New Republic for the moment because they're slightly different and were published later in the 90s.

>>50444545
Sweet, that one's my favorite. Have you checked out the new tales-like book for the TFA aliens?

>>50444545
have you done tales of the bounty hunters yet? it was always my favorite

>>50444573
Love that Han Solo/Boba Fett one.

>>50444573
That's after Jabba's Palace. I've already read them (and some other books) just haven't had time to jam out the reviews. Tales From the Bounty Hunters is the best one of the three

>>50444568
Not yet. I'm only in the mid-90s era of the EU, so it'll be a while before I touch NuCanon books. I've heard good things about the Crimson Corsair story.

>>50434608

they are the meta only if you are talking about imperials only. But pretty much yeah spot on.

>>50435838

that dial is what the lambda should have had, if the upsilon dial is like that i'm sold.

>>50428556
>12) Soup's On: The Pipe Smoker's Tale by Jennifer Roberson. Dannik Jerriko is an Anzat assassin who rambles on and on and on to himself about the “Soup” that he drinks from his victims and how badass and awesome and cool he is and how he's going to enjoy drinking the soup of a Han Solo but he never gets up off of his ass on the stool and that's it. That's fucking it. Its just a rambling internal monologue where absolutely nothing fucking happens and the narrator doesn't do jack shit except talk himself up with inane purple prose. This story is boring fucking garbage that goes nowhere. I have a sinking suspicion that reading Aftermath is going to be a similar exercise in rage
That said it did set up the Anzati as cool boogeymen.

...Other than their feeding method and nickname. Jesus who tought you could make that cool?

>>50444747
My favorite thing about the Anzati is how in Tales from Jabba's Palace, Gartogg refers to Jerriko as a "snot vampire"

>>50444735

Well, the Upsilon has the 2 green banks, at least.

>>50444809
That's why I hated it, just have them jam it in someone's mouth and through their palate or something.

>>50444735
Lambda is cheaper though. It's basically a box with wings.

I'm curious how easy or good the 180 on the Y-wing is. If I'm reading correctly, you need to flip the title the turn before you do the stop.

>>50444982

cheaper by 2 points only on the basic ps 2, and 1 point MORE expensive comparing jendon to rook. Otherwise the exact same prices except the u-wing has an awesome title(compared) and a way-way better dial for 2 less total health

>>50445059
>2 more points and two less health for a better maneuvers, and conditional agi
Sounds about right.
Certainly more fair than 3 points giving the t-70 a better dial, plus one shield, and a boost action.
3 points give the fo tie a better dial, shield and target lock.

>>50445513

missing the
>>only on the basic ps 2
Otherwise its the same price or cheaper and if you include titles on both is cheaper across the board by up to 4 points. And these ships and around in the same era unlike the t-65/t-70 and tie/tieFO which most/all of them are cheaper than their newer counter part

>>50445719
You can only do point comparison on the non-uniques.
Pilot abilities affect point cost, so using them to compare points just because they have the same ps is wrongheaded

>>50445895

So you are saying that some pilot abilities lower to points cost of ships?

>>50444982
>If I'm reading correctly, you need to flip the title the turn before you do the stop.
you do.
so you're going to be telegraphing to your opponent what you're doing. Though you could cover it with the rest of your squadron.
Or bluff and set your wings to landing but do a 4 forward and just get out while your opponent goes after where it would be if it did the stop spin.

>>50446394
well yes. some pilot abilities are just better and worth more points.

>>50446604

worth more points i understand, but pilot abilities that lower points?

>>50446620
well no. but if the lambdas pilot ability is worth more than the uwings its effectively the same result, uwimg is cheaper.

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Speeder!

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>>50446704
Man, I feel sorry for the poor bastard who has to show up to work in that thing. Makes one wonder why Star Wars is so short on supercar-tier speeders.

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>>50446747
Personally I like that one, it looks like a cargo lifter that got hotrodded.


This one looks like a family car.

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>>50446811
Big intakes though.
>>50446747
Think, for Airspeedersz at least it's a cross between a Supercar, a helicopter, and a Jet.

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Because a massive fusion furnace in an enclosed space somehow can't melt a pile of snow.

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>>50446958
Also it's a little wide for an AT_AT troop compartment but that's fine. It just would have been SO DAMN COMFY if that snow was melted.

>>50447012
Jedi academy is nice because it's one of the few vidyas that let me play as a twi'lek waifu

blue skin>>>everything else

>>50447012
Also, that fort there looks too new to be from the original rebel occupation, and Tavion;s forces were not there long enough to install such a thing (Well okay maybe it's a prefab.)

...Who ELSE used Hoth as a fortress of sorts?

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>>50447024
You didn't have enough control over your clothes as a twilek, it was annoying as hell.

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An elusive side-view of the hoverprobes.

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>>50447030
beggars can't be choosers Anon

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Huh, Gundam outfits may work really well for Outdated sector nobility.

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I like that TORtanic included the Houk even if they gave them all really weak chins and foreheads.

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>>50447299
Also they had a lot of cool droids, like this one that I rarely ever see recycled despite being a pretty stellar design.

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>>50447314
Also, I love how they do maps, Fallou8t could learn how to make maps that don't look like squiggly turds from these guys.

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bores of 2d terrain, made some space rocks.
Got to paint them once glue is all dry.

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>>50438743
>but calling the saga edition worthless is a little harsh.

No it isn't, Star d20 is complete garbage, for the fundamental reason that they wrapped Star Wars around OGL, instead of adapting the rules to the setting. Saga does do a bit better in that regard, but its still a proto-4th edition, and the whole ruleset strikes me as WotC trying to test the waters of what ultimately became the most loathed edition of D&D ever printed.

But thats not why I think SWd20 is terrible. Every experience I've ever had playing the system, from a mechanics standpoint, has been awful. One experience stands out the most, however...

>star wars revised 2nd edition
>playing mid level mando martial artist knife fighter, build feat tree allows me to do knife damage in grapples
>buddy is playing pretty traditional mando tanky tank
>get into a fight with a high level elite trooper
>ends up dropping my buddy into negatives, and is now losing a wound a turn in the dying process
>in order to stop him from shooting, i get into a grapple with the elite trooper
>the rest of the combat is rolling to maintain grapple and doing a 1d4+str knife damage a turn, hoping to kill this guy before my buddy bleeds out and dies
>ends up taking forever, decide "fuck this" and make a grab for the rifle
>almost get smoked myself, roll shit, miss the shot, gonna get smoked next turn
>GM decides that having two characters die would be bad, lets me reroll
>roll like shit again but at least I hit, do enough damage to drop the elite trooper

The above story sounds a lot more exciting then it really was - it was actually incredibly frustrating, especially when a build that takes a long feat tree just to do, turns out to be worthless really.

d20 doesn't fit star wars. It never did, it never will.

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Did we ever get to know what happened to Barriss after the trial in TCW?

headcanon: She breaks out from jail when the Empire is declared and goes full vigilante, shunning both rebels and old Jedi compatriots both as she still believes the Jedi order is corrupt and the rebels to be a galaxy-wide separatist guerilla action

>>50449161

Vader killed the space muslim.

>>50449168
book/comic or just your headcanon?

>>50449182

Common sense.

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>>50449168
>killing a jedi who is already slipping down the dark side slope
>not subtly poking and prodding her until she she goes full "All jedi must die!" and agrees to become a inquisitor

>>50449206

She pissed him off. That's good enough of a reason to kill her.

You really should stop projecting your fetishes into the narrative.

If the Empire is a white male supremacist organisation, as Disney endorsed writers claim, why are two of the most prominent new characters a black and a female stormtrooper respectively? The latter is even a respected officer, which is incongruous with historical armies' treatment of minority units (cf. Russian female pilots and racial segregation in the US army).

It seems unlikely that an actively discriminatory empire would not segregate its military, when supposedly more enlightened real world nations did so.

>>50449219
Human race and ethnicity seem to be unimportant in Star Wars. More importantly, though, if you're referring to Finn and Phasma, they're from the First Order, not the Empire, which may have different policies.

>>50449219
Empire and First Order aren't the same organization.

First Order are the Empire fanboys who wants to make space great again, while the Imperial Remnant has gone full isolationist as a response to the defeat at Jakku

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>>50449214
>stop projecting your fetishes into the narrative.
If i was doing that i would be posting a lot more Ventress/Ahsoka theories, which i'm not doing.

>>50449273
I mean technically no one can stop you.

Not that I'd want to.

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>>50449273

Superior Ventress coming through.

>>50449219
It isn't a white supremacist. The guy who posted that tweet didn't do his research. There's plenty of art of females, both white and melanin-enriched, in Imperial service in both Legends and nucanon. IIRC, wasn't there also a well-received black female naval officer in nucanon? I forget her name, but people were quick to compare her to Pellaeon, which is a pretty big compliment.

>>50449219

Empire was always Human Supremacy, not white male supremacy. Disney decided that they needed to slap some more "Yup they sure are evil" on the Empire.

Which makes no sense to me, as they continue to sell merchandise centered around Imperials, while decrying them as the KKK and Hitler's bastard that was raised by skinheads.

>>50424071

>Admiral Palleon was the Watson to Thrawn's Holmes

Holy shit how did I never notice that before. I practically have a fetish for those.

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Poor Mas Amedda.

>>50449565
Mas Amedda was kind of a horrible person; I don't think he needs to be spared much pity.

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>>50449630
t. Jedi Knight

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Is YOUR droid fucking Grievous behind your back?

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>>50449664
http://geekologie.com/2016/11/little-chubby-robot-goes-rogue-in-china.php
>At a recent tradeshow in China, a Xiao Pang ("Little Chubby") robot went rogue and ran into a glass exhibit stand, injuring a bystander with shards of glass

Welp, we're fucked. Better clone Jake the Muss to go start punching these little fuckers out before they kill us all

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>>50449866
Copy that, sir.

>>50448776
That sounds like you brought a knife to a gun fight. Why should i hate d20 saga?

>>50442715
Hey GM!
Rip Victory I Round 1 - Round 1
He didn't even get a shot off.

>>50449161
Huh, you know I've been crafting a villian for my SW campaign and I never ealized how much inspiration she took from Bariss until now.

>>50449357
Technically he was a Captain when Thrawn died, he only got promoted by various warlords later.
>>50424443
I wonder, if Thrawn had pulled the "Palpatine or one of his underlings betrayed Vader, now I'm going to fix that for him" deal that Leia did himself would he have been able to maintain their loyalty vs Lady Vader?

>>50449283
Certainly a better death than "You know what, let's bring back Ostrander's original vision for Quinlan Vos"

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>>50450920

>death

Nah, she's good.

She just fucked off from it all and was never ever mentioned again.

>>50450933
Oh, even better.

Yeah, I did NOT like the idea behind Dark Apprentice.

Golden made the first few chapters really good, but when I got the ending spoiled I lost all will to read more.

>>50450933
Well, she was mentioned in the Kenobi book, but that's it.

>>50450933
Why are Rattataki so sexy? she is not a fucking zabrak, that plot was a bunch of bullshit, apart from the Nightsisters actually using magic. That was cool.

>>50450503
so I know it's generally agreed that TCW show did a lot to redeem the prequals, and was basically the bright spot of that whole thing existing, but I love how it makes order 66 even more evil.

I mean, it betrayal, mass murder, and even killing of children, how do you make it more evil. By having it be done by good men, good men who respect, admire, and even love those they are forced to kill.

>>50449309
>>50449309
the X-wing series did say there was a bias towards males in the goverment and miliatry.
It wasn't nearly as strong as the human bias, and didn't extend outside of promotions to higher positions like it did with aliens, but it existed.
Human skin color is basically a non-factor. Home planet got some atttention, but whether you were a light skined or dark skin Correllian was not important to anyone.

>>50451587
I'm not a fan of the mind control chip plot device, honestly. I feel like it cheapens the betrayal by handwaving it away.

>>50451409
Meh, I liked the idea of a Half-Zabrak shaving her head to pass as Rattataki.

>>50451730
I'd rather it be made cheaper.

>>50451730
they kinda back themselves into a corner.
Cody, Wolfe, Rex, etc etc wouldn't betray their Jedi just because they were ordered to. They built them and their connection to the Jedi up too much for that to be believable. They needed something that would overwhelm the personality the show had spent so much time building up.

Now I do think the Jedi Council finding out about the control chips, which had been kept secret from them, and just accepting the first explaination for them, expecially after one of them caused a trooper to kill a jedi, was way to stupid for my suspension of disbelief.
Beter if Fives hadn't been able to escape with any evidence, and it just sounded like mad remblings, and the council is told their is no chip, it a parasite or something the troopers got infected with and their fixing them now or something

>>50451730
>>50451811
and I don't consider it really cheapening it, remember the troopers are grown not born.
If they'd spend a little more time talking about how Sidious or someone disliked how human they were becoming, then being reassured that the chips would take them back to what they were always intended to be, tools.

Beyond that, the other explaination of "the clones were just that loyal" doesn't really make sense, because its overly simplistic meaning of loyality. To betray your direct commanding officer who you've known for years, because an authority you've only ever intereacted with distantly, isn't loyalty.

So, does anyone know what the Star Wars equivalent to a suit and tie is? Something that isn't noble's robes or something.

>>50451587
>mind control chip
Yeah uhm no, it was done by a bunch of drones who had no way of fighting back against the programming or whatever it is. Pretty dull frankly.

the FFG mega appears to be broken? it only gives me force and destiny.

>>50451936
except they aren't drones, they're people.
I feel like the people who hate this plot didn't watch the show, because it's the betrayal of the troopers, taking away their free will, that gives it pathos. If you don't care about the troopers I can see how it would be less interesting.

Having the troopers do it of their own free will makes it a stronger betryal of the Jedi, and if you're focusing on them I get the dislike, but troopers who would do that without hesitation just because they were order are monsters before the order was even given.

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>>50451936
I preferred the (possibly fanon) idea that it was a holdover from the education/mental indoctrination clones went through as kids. It's a medium between "muh loyalty" and the control chips that leaves room for clones to get woke and break the conditioning, and ties in nicely with the story of a clone commando team going rogue because they thought the 66 broadcast was just enemy propaganda.

Speaking of which, I haven't kept up with Rebels. Did the writers ever explain how Rex's team got Reb pilled? Did they just figure out what they'd done, gouge their chips out, and go AWOL one day?

>>50451904

Its almost like, on closer examination, the whole concept of the prequels is really stupid...

>>50452034
the clone wars and the betryal of the Jedi predate the prequels.
And TCW show was good, and did the what a Star Wars prequal should be, ie be Star Wars, ie and action filled adventure with likeable characters, interesting locations, and space-magic.

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>>50449357
Zahn has said that Thrawn is a mix of Sherlock Holmes and General Erwin Rommel.
It makes sense that Peallon would be Thrawns Watson

>>50452167
Thrawn is really more of a military strategist and a bit less of the perceptive genius. He's all about plans within plans, and backup plans to fallback on when the first ones fail, while paying attention to what's going on in the big picture (and small details). Stick him in a crime scene though, and he probably would not be able to recognize the reddish dust on the corpse as a sign that the victim was a mason from some backwater remote planet.

>>50452337
you're forgetting his art obsession.
Part of the reason he was so able to figure out his opponents plans was that he was so perceptive of the implications fromt their art.

It's not exactly Sherlock Holmes, but it's clearly drawing from the theme. Look at the scenes where he explains out how he knows the enemy's plans from a chain of reasoning. It's a lot like a Sherlock scene.

>>50452018
Rex listened to Fives.

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Christ, I'll never be able to make a BBEG as gay as Krannic.

>>50452445
Eh, somewhat... The primary shtick to Sherlock however is always genius perception, and deduction based upon what he notices. Eidetic memory and logic help with that, but Sherlock's real ability is to notice the minute details that most people miss. Things like the importance of a watch actually being a fake, the way a statuette is shattered.

A lot of people (and references) fail to realize that the key take-away from Doyle's detective character, is that anyone could feasibly do the same thing if they paid closer attention to the details. Indeed, that was one of the primary reasons he decided to write the stories... he was sick of happenstance penny-novel detective stories. So he wrote stories where all the clues were there in front of the reader, and the detective showed them how he came to the conclusion in the end.

>>50452751
>he said,as if orphaned
what

>>50452751
sounds pretty gay tbqhwy senpai

>>50452927
right, but you're confusing influence with being the same as, and authorial intent with the archetype.

Thrawn isn't meant to be exactly Sherlock Holmes, but if you don't see the influence there, your being intentionally obtuse. You don't have to use the 'key take-away' to be using the influence, you can use the other stuff.

That stuff can in fact be not what the author intended to be important. Once the work has entered the public conciousness and discorse, the author has lost control.
Sherlock Holmes isn't just what Doyle wrote, and certainly not just what Doyle intended, he's a construct in out discorse which begain with Doyle but has had numberous other influences.

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>>50452751
do you all think his caring for Galen is going to get him killed n the movie?

>>50453054
Fair point. Doyle did permit anyone to do with the character as they will. But the character is, and has always been, about perceiving evidence and deducting logical conclusions. Regardless of whether or not he's also portrayed as a champion-level boxer and inventor, an asexual sociopathic genius, or a mouse. Thrawn is smart and a brilliant strategist who is aware of the "big picture" of what's goin on around him. But I would personally equate him to more of a machiavellian war machine, than a hyper-perceptive detective.

>>50453204
I'm expecting pretty much everyone to get Toprawa'd in that movie.

Maybe brunette Bria Tharen and smouldering Latin Male Jan Ors survive.

MAYBE.

>>50453281
but Timothy Zahn did say Thrawn's influences were Sherock Holmes and Field Marshal Erwin Rommel.

Shouldnt we take that statement with a grain of truth since thats what the character was meant to be by the writer?

>>50453337
Is it sad I know all those references? haha. I think your right though anon.

>>50453281
You know Zahn up and gave Thrawn his own Moriarty, right?

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WHO'S READY FOR THE T-65 BOYS

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>>50453375
My body is so fucking ready.

>>50453375
I miss the '77 flash-vapor effects. Looks better than all that orange.

>>50453281
hence the Rommel influence that was mentioned in the post that started this whole chain.

The argument wasn't that Thrawn was a dectective, it that Thrawn had Holmes inspiration, in particular in his interaction with Pelleon having the feel of Holmes/Watson interaction.

So remember how Thrawns perception of art is ment to reference, not be the same as reference, Holmes perception of the a crime scene. Then look at the scenes where Thrawn is surrounded by art and Pelleon walks in to talk to him.
The interplay between them, Thrawn seeming to come to conclusions out of nowhere, then explaining it to Pelleon by referencing back to details.

It's not a detective novel Zahne didn't always bother to write out those details before the explaination scene. It's not meant to BE a Holmes story, it's meant to remind you of another genius character. A different one, but by that reminder and comparison, even with the difference, the reader attributes genius to Thrawn.

Your taking it as a very simple writing technique. Writing a character who is the same as a famous one. He's doing a more complex one, using elements, even extranious elements, to call to mind, even subcounciously, the other character, so the reader infers.

This isn't, "Thrawn is a detective like Sherlock" or even "Thrawn thinks and can deduce like Sherlock", this is just "Thrawn does things that are like Sherlock".

So stuff like Sherlock playing the violin isn't 'regardless' to what's going on, just because it's trapping of the character rather than the core of it. The use of the trappings to echo is the point.

>>50453338
Not really. It's where he took his inspiration from, as he said... But it doesn't mean he's got the fundamentals of those inspirations right. Rommel himself was mostly noted for seizing the initiative and for his ability to adapt in rapid, mobile warfare. But his abilities faltered when confronted with opposition that wasn't second rate, disorganized, or worn down. Plans within plans, with countermeasures in place, was not something he was noted for.

So despite Zahn using them as inspiration, I feel that both his inspirations were mistaken and mostly shrouded in myths or name recognition.

>>50453481
it's a matter of cohesive appearance.
While the flash-vapor looked good in the original, it fit with the rest of the effects work.
Trying to mix that effect into more modern effects and it will stick out like a sore thumb.

That's part of why the special editions looks so bad. It's not just the the CGI looks dated now (it's not that terrible, and the complaint existed when they were first released and very good for their time).
The CGI effects didn't fit with the rest of visuals of the movie.
I mean looks aunt wears a demin jacket, but it fits the movie.

>>50453604
I am very certain you can make HD welding flashes. It's not difficult. They aren't doing it because they don't want to explain why cannons which flash-melt things can't kill anything when shot at the heroes.

>>50453533
>myth
Inspiration can come from the myth as much as the reality.
That isn't a mistake unless he claims he's doing a historical reference. Which he didn't.
You're mistaken in thinking reference must always be to the original source, rather than to the larger cultural construct.

>>50453639
>>50453639
it's not a matter of HD, which was my point.
It's style and art direction. Put all the pixles you want in, that style of explosion won't fit into the larger visual appearance.

>>50453722
Yes it would. Yes they can. They won't, though.

>>50453751
show me an example, and I'll retract my statement.
But by your argument, the special edition effects would be fine if they just had better graphics.

>>50453354
>WhereDoYouThinkWeAre.jpg

Its funny but rereading Darksaber, we get Bevel Lemelisk's flashbacks to the Death Star development and Despayre is described as a tropical jungle planet and the world in Rogue One is similar to the description

>>50453658
In which case it is better to say that you're taking inspiration (influence) from the popular themes of those characters/people. Because to say otherwise sounds like you don't know what you're talking about to anyone who has studied the person or read through the original stories.

Thrawn is certainly an awesome character, and one of my favorites in the Star Wars universe. Of all the villains, he is hands down my favorite with Tarkin being a close second. But saying he's a mix of Rommel and Sherlock, as much as that was the cited original influence, is IMO wrong. He may have been inspired by those two, but I personally view him as more of a Machiavellian Alexander the Great. And you don't have to.

>>50453375
>X-wing clipping terrain and dying pathetically

If Rogue One doesn't give me royalties for using my Battlefront gameplay as inspiration I'm gonna be pissed.

Of late i've been thinking back to kotor, and a question occurs. What the hell is the Mandalorian code of that era anyway? Fight untill you fight an enemy who can fight back seems like an odd code.

>>50453864
>>50453864
now you're just being pedantic.
You're pretty alone in thinking that idea of 'taking inspiration' automatically refers only to the original source and not the larger concept.
Most people use the term "Holmes" to refer to the broader usage of the character and add a distinction when refering only to the original. You're acting against the common use of language in trying to force the need for distinction to work the other way.

You're free to make your own moves in the language game, but most people are either going to disagree or be confused.

Hell, you're making the same mistake by referencing Machiavellie and Alexander the great, refering to the broad cultural understanding rather than the historic original, without bothering to distinguish. But I understood you because that's what people do, the historic original is not assumed, the cultural understanding is.

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>>50453776
You really think welding flash style explosions wouldn't work in Star Wars, when that was literally the original style? Do you even know what I'm talking about? I'm talking about that white flare that implies that metal vaporization has occurred at contact point.

It's a stylistic choice, not a stylistic limitation. It would be not be difficult to get the level of detail required for it to look good.

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>>50454017
>What the hell is the Mandalorian code of that era
Live each day like a heavy metal album cover. Ride eternal, shiny, and beskar, for you are awaited in the Manda.

>>50454161
Man... that is awfully spot on. Riding a burning basilisk in an orbital assault on a planet is pretty darned metal, isn't it.
Also
>Mandalore the Immortan
Definitely some illiterate child of mandalorians who ends up leading a pirate gang in the outer rim.

>>50454054
>You're pretty alone in thinking that idea of 'taking inspiration' automatically refers only to the original source and not the larger concept.
So? That's an Appeal to Popular Opinion logical fallacy. And defaulting to Zahn's claim is an Appeal to Authority. Just because he said it, doesn't mean he was correct in his assessment.

>Hell, you're making the same mistake by referencing Machiavellie and Alexander the great, refering to the broad cultural understanding rather than the historic original, without bothering to distinguish. But I understood you because that's what people do, the historic original is not assumed, the cultural understanding is.
And you are certainly well within your rights to hold that opinion. My basis for that assessment is that Thrawn achieved his position through cunning, ruthless, and devious planning. And not a small amount of disregard for those in his way. That is very Machiavellien in theme, mostly in reference to The Prince. Alexander was one of history's greatest generals. From a military commander perspective, he fits Thrawn better than Rommel. The only thing that doesn't suit Thrawn in that comparison is that Alexander was completely undefeated in battle.

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>>50452751
uguuuu

>>50454376
>So? That's an Appeal to Popular Opinion logical fallacy.

Not that anon, but when it comes to language the only opinion that matters IS popular opinion.

>>50454376
I can't believe you guys are arguing about this when Zahn himself has said the character is, to name a few, a composite of "the best military geniuses that ever lived, including Hannibal, alexander, Robert E. Lee Erwin rommel and others." As well as being explicitly compared to Sherlock Holmes data analysis capabilities.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Letter_to_Timothy_Zahn2A.JPG

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>>50454489
>a composite of "the best military geniuses that ever lived
Space Mattis when, nucanon? If only nucanon Luke had turned out to be as based as him.

>>50454526
>Luke
We havent seen much of Nucanon Luke. Who knows.

>>50454056
woulnd't work in MODERN Star Wars graphical style.
Yes, it's a stylistic choice, that was my point. The current style is not identical to the old style.

>>50454376
no, I'm not saying that what's popular is whats 'right', which is a nonsense arguement, and I'm not appealing to Zahn's authority other than over what his intent is.

The only authority I'm refering to is using the Wittgensteinian understanding of meaning as use. What's said is what is understood, we get meaning communicating. The use by people is based on and creates what words and phrases are understood to mean.
The term "inspired by" is used to refer to the broad concept unless a specified otherwise. You're using language in the reverse of this.
>Machiavellian theme.
You really don't know the Prince is a work of satire do you.
See, you made the mistake, but the understanding of the term comes from the popular use in language.

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Spoilers for next rebels ep

>>50455223
Holy shit, is that a tie phantom?

>>50455300

Nearly, TIE Defender.

>>50455300
we came up with nicknames for the various Elite builts in our HotAC campaign.
All of the TIE phantoms were refered to as "Damnit Mike". He had a tendence to draws those, and they are terrifying.

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>>50455300

>>50455342
Yikes am I rusty with my Imperial ships

>>50455342
should have realized.


>>50455344
so the Defenders Nicknames
Ion Build: Assfucker (he ions you then just gets behind you and keeps shooting. And has backstabber and outmanuever to make it worse).
Fletchette: Mosiquito
Mauler Cannon: Good Guy (only showed up on the mission where it turned out to be the defector).
HLC: Brown Alert
(ie brown pants).

>>50455371
Do you need a trip back to the flight acadeny soldier?

>>50455407
>being imperial scum
No thanks. I fight for and with my waifu anon.

>>50455344
>>50455398

What's the rebel slang for a Defender again? Eyes/Eyeballs for the /LN, Squnts for the /IN, Dupes for the Bomber...

>>50455458
Clutch iirc

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>>50455223
I wonder how many Phoenix Squadron graves will have to be prepped this time around.

>>50455512
Against a defender? Probably all of them

>>50455223
I will cry if it anything less than the fighter to end all fighters with a fat tally of victories over the rebel scum before the episode inevitably ends with them all destroyed.

At least my TIEfu is canon again, even if it is way too early in the timeline and the X-wing has yet to demonstrate that the /LN series needs updating. Just like with the Interceptors that appeared on Rebels and were never heard of again.