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Who was the most highly decorated and widely respected soldier of the Emperor's Great Crusade?

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>>50399314
>pre-interment
I, Sarco Funerus, the greatest primarch!

>>50399314
Alexios, do you have any ideas for wars the Illithyd would be directly involved in? I'm sure they're as manipulative as the Eldar when it comes to avoiding conflict, but when they do get forced to break out the Mind Flayers, what causes it?

>>50399719
chaos ork uprising

>>50399800
Why do they have to be chaos orks?

>>50399314
I'm assuming Klaus Staffel, but at the same time, I don't think Primarchs really got decorated.

Bumpin before work

>>50399314
Probably some Silver Spears guy.

>>50403374
That sounds about right. Second Sons also seemed likely, but I don't think their personality would allow them to accept lots of medals and honors.

Post a song that fits as a theme for an individual character.

Idrias Stern - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MGgMdGXjdeE

I get the feeling we really need something to spice things up and bring some new life into these threads. Anyone have any thoughts on how to do that?

>>50400428
Chaos Orks are cool.

>>50406115
Maybe the orks were Illithyd slaves until they broke free somehow and had a big rebellion.

Bump

Anyone here?

>>50410088
I am, but it's unusually slow, even for weekends. I still stand by >>50405917

So, spirit animals again.

Gengrat as a coyote?

>>50399314
>Strike-Captain Tyrael Demiurgos of the Crimson Warhawks Legion
>Appointed Master of Descents by Primarch Raydon Neratos
>Awarded the Emperors Medallion by the Emperor of All-Mankind for his actions in the Gortessus Campaign
>Only recipient of the Star of Terra and Bar
>Earnt the Ministorium Cross before earning his first captaincy
>Youngest Captain within the Legion
>Captained over the course of his career both the famous frigate "Brightroar" and "Dawn"
>A companion of the Ordo Aquila, whos recommendation came from none other than the Primarch Kashaln, and seconded by the Knight Protector of the Emperor, the Primarch Klaus himself.
>Two time recipient of the Triple Skull
>Awarded the silver cog for his services to the most beneficent Ordo Mechanicus
>Awarded the Galactic Medal
>Appointed Vice Chief of General Staff after the founding of the Senate
>Mentioned twice in dispatches
>Other accolades include, Iron Halo, Imperial Laurel, and multiple Marksman's Honours

>>50399314
I'm pretty sure the Storm Hammers had a lot of decorated guys but would they own the 'most decorated' award? Nope. Definitely, absolutely not simply because of how single-focus they were in the Great Crusade. Meaning all the other potential medals not related to 'fucking shit up' would slip away from their grasp.

>>50399314
>highly decorated
>widely respected
not sure those would be the same guy desu

>>50414840
>Only recipient of the Star of Terra and Bar
What did he have to do to get that?

>>50415700
>The Star of Terra

Awarded to Junior Commander Tyreal Demiurgos,
During the operations on Cretus IV this officer performed a series of remarkable exploits, showing outstanding leadership, tactical skill and utter indifference to danger.

He commanded a forward talon in the attack on Maleme and fought his way forward for over 3,000 yards unsupported by any other arms and against a defence strongly organised in depth. During this operation his talon destroyed numerous enemy posts but on three occasions members were temporarily held up.
In the first case, under a heavy fire from a machine gun nest he advanced to close quarters with pistol and grenades, so demoralizing the occupants that his section was able to "mop up" with ease.
Another of his members was then held up by two machine guns in a fortified position. He went in and placed a grenade through a window, destroying the crew of one machine gun and several others, the other machine gun being silenced by the fire of his battle brothers.
In the third case he crawled to within 15 yards of an M.G. post and killed the gunners with a grenade.

Upon withdrawal, he carried a wounded squadmate to safety, whilst wounded himself.

Upon return, his Talon was sent to RV with an isolated friendly Astartes squad. With a single battle brother he returned through enemy territory killing several enemies on the way, found the isolated squad, and brought it back to the Company position.

TBC

>>50415884

During the following two weeks his Talon occupied an exposed position on forward slopes and was continuously under fire. Commander Demiurgos was blown over by one mortar shell. This position was defended from several enemy wave attacks with grenades and disciplined fire.

By clever tactics he induced the enemy party to expose itself and then at a range of 500 yards shot 22 and caused the remainder to disperse in panic.

He showed superb coolness, great skill and dash and complete disregard of danger. His conduct and leadership inspired his whole Company to fight magnificently throughout, and in fact was an inspiration to the Strike Force.

>His Bar was earnt some 140 years later.

And another bump

>>50417802
>>50420129
isn't bumping like this kind of admitting the threads are dead? surely if it deserved to stay then you would have something to say rather than simply "bump"

>>50420180
Yeah, pretty much. Shit's been pretty dead for a while. Usually it's more quiet on the weekends, but I'm just gonna let it go if noone shows up.

>>50420448
It's Thanksgiving weekend and I'm pretty sure most of us are American. I'm sure it'll pick back up tomorrow.

>>50420473
fair enough i suppose, as a non american i had no idea. Though i have been watching these threads since the start and i feel the creativity and drive dwindling quickly in each thread

Can we talk about Knights Exemplar?

They like Terminator armour and close combat. Do they have a 1st company of all Termies all the time, like the Deathwing, or do they have a higher than average number of Termantors spread through the Legion? Do they have a preferred pattern, or even a specialized type of unit?

What's their force organization like? Do they deploy on large scale or do they work in small strike teams?

What cool stuff did they do before the Heresy?

>>50420893
I remember them making pretty exeptional duelists. Other than that I don't really know much about them. They've never really been delved into and their primarch has never been anything but a plot device.

In my opinion they should be the poster boy legion. The one Imperial citizens think of when they hear Space Marines.

>>50421391
I think the poster boy legion was the oathsworn by sheer weight of numbers. Faustus' skill in genecraft gave him so many marines that many imperial citizens' first experience with astartes was with the oathsworn.

>>50421687
I remember that, and see the logic of that, but it's never seen right to me. The Oathsworn being well known and popular is fine, but people know Astartes are warriors first, not medics and healers.

>>50421835
I thought that only Faustus was the healy one. They might have a few more apothecaries than usual but the oathsworn act like a normal legion.

>>50420591
At least 1 namefag has said they will be away for a week or two.

>>50420893
From what i recall, will need Klaus or Raydon to confirm.

>they have multiple terminator companies so yeah multiple deathwings
>other companies only have their captain and honour guard in terminator gear.
>no recollection of a preference for pattern except that they look like Grey Knight Terminators more than typical terminators, including the helmet and appear less bulk more agile.
>they have specialised units and even rankings
>such as a cohort of knights led by a blade master of the 2nd echelon
>nothing was said about what differences there are between the echelons though.
>force org - Raydon did an image up. Ill try to find or wait for him to get back
>they do both but typically large deployments, they do often attach groups of terminators under foreign commanders though but rarely mere battle brothers.
>they use the same knight/squire training method as the Warhawks though the tutelage period is shorter.

Do they deploy on large scale or do they work in small strike teams?

What cool stuff did they do before the Heresy?

>>50422779
>What cool stuff did they do before the Heresy?

I think they should have pushed back one of the largest counter-offensives against the Great Crusade. Some xenos alliance or something.

>>50423991
Would it be better to have them solo it, command it (a coalition) or arrive ala the cavalry and turn the tide of a seemingly inevitable defeat

>>50424225
It would make more sense as a legend if they commanded a coalition, because then more people would remember it.

>>50424262
Still though, the Knights are hailed as some of the greatest children of the Emperor. Soloing a shitload of xenos would actually show just how great they are.
I think the best would be a lengthy campaign, against both xenos and abhumans. There should be plenty of opportunities for veterans and champions to have their duels and by the end there should be a big bad for Klaus to 1v1.

>>50424665
It should be noted that they arent duelists in the same way paladins are or swordsmen like the silver spears might be. They are just supreme close quarter combatants.

Using star wars forms as an example.
While paladins might be masters of form II and a silver spear might dedicate himself to a single form.

A knight is a master of all 6 forms. He fights to his strengths and to his enemies weaknesses.

He is just as comfortable fighting a tyranid warrior 1v1 as fighting a gaunt swarm 30 to 1.

>>50420591
>>50420180
Because we've covered everything The timeline from 30k to 40k is plotted out. All major characters and conflicts are fleshed out. All alien races are fleshed out. We even started making up new aliens out to flesh out because we ran out of shit to do.

The story is done. It's complete. We're all finished here. Nobody wants to admit it though.

>>50425449
I disagree and agree.

Weve done most, and if youre done thanks for everything but not all of us are. As said knights are still open.

You yourself asked who the most decorated astartes was and nobody had any idea.

Hell only 1 suggestion was put forth.

>>50425528
Perhaps we could expand the question. Who was the most highly decorated and widely respected soldier of each legion?

>>50425528
>>50425561
>Nobody wants to admit it though.

Case in point.

>>50425631
>puts forth counter point
>the very fact you argue makes me right

>>50425561
I donno. I like the idea of identifying the single most decorated.

Respected would vary though

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>>50425941
As of M41, Idrias Stern is the most decorated Scion simply by virtue of being the oldest naturally living astartes in the galaxy. He's also widely respected as Sarco's psychic advisor during the Heresy and who was wounded during his father's fight with Aodhan.

I think we need to flesh out the different psychic disciplines. Thoughts?

>>50428505
I concur.

1 per legion should he simple enough.

>>50428601
The Negators probably don't have their own discipline because they don't make use of psykers, but they do have psychic slaves that might have created their own techniques.

Bumperoni

>>50428601
Here's a suggestion for Fists of Mars:
Warp Calming; to play on Marcus's distaste of warp, and the legion's fear of mutation their Librarians can inhibit warp magic around themselves. It makes the Warp easier to use for allied units while limited the functionality of objects that are merged with the warp (Demon Engines)
I'd give them Technomancy but that seems too easy and more like the Sky Serpents thing.

The Silver Spears could have something that makes them either seem more hypnotic or makes them go faster. Maybe some sort of sealing circles that let them call enforce one on one duels?
Thoughts? Suggestions?

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>>50430688
>Maybe some sort of sealing circles that let them call enforce one on one duels?

>mfw

>>50421972
>>50421835
They were warriors too. But they were more than that, they were the Emperor's angels. His super humans who brought death to the alien, and restored life to the blighted masses. They were symbols under Faustus, and glorious ones at that. For all his faults, his marines had style and everyone knew them.

>>50430756
The "Kawd Mbarz" (Arabic for 'Duelist Code')
>A specialized form for sorcery employed by the fell covens of the Silver Spears Legion; this dark art allows champions to unerringly find an opponent in the chaos of the battlefield, enhancing their senses and perception accordingly. Once they have found a worthy adversary they must spill their own blood, generally from the hand and inform their opponent their name. Once this is done the two are separate from the field by a circle roughly ten feet in diameter. The circle can only be broken by the death of one of the parties. Outside help results in the death of the one being aided.
I think is sounds kinda stupid but I'm just throwing out content. The thread's been slow. Please correct/adjust/ect.
Also I feel the Silver Spears could have an Ottoman/Arabian flavor. Just for the cavalry. Thoughts?

>>50430688
If anyone is specialized in technomancy, it's the Behemoth Guard. The Fists seem like the kind of people that would make use of endurance buffing powers. The Spears having speed buffs and hypnotic powers sounds legit though.

>>50431033
Scratch what I said about the Spears. >>50430916 sounds fantastic.

>>50431108
The Librarians of the Silver Spears Legion are known as the Wahami (Phantoms) within the Legion; their responsibilities also include maintaining the wargear of their fellow legionaries. Most abstain from the cavalry actions of their brothers and instead focus on attaining perfection through rigorous bladework rather than the complex formations of their brothers.
However the Wahami do function as a support group within the legion proper as they are the ones who preform rites such as demon binding for both vehicles and weapons.
Such examples include the Zulma
>A peerless single edged weapons measuring roughly over two feet with a moderate curve the Zulma is known for stealing sound - the warpcraft within the blade causes it to repeat the words of those it kills, resulting in a deafening roar of curses, peas, and screams each time the weapons is drawn.

I have returned from my adventures.

Can someone catch me up on the last thread of two, not sure how many have passed since I was away.

>>50428505
P: Speed of the Hawk
>+2 I and +2 Attack for psyker and fleet.
1: Mind Worm
>No change from Dark Angels
2: Shadow of the Hawk
>Malediction: Range 24" Target can only fire snap shots
3: Razor Wind
>Witchfire: Range 12" Str: 4 AP: 2 Assault 3
4: Ghost Step
>Target units is immediately removed from the board and re-enters using the rules from deepstrike.
5: Mind Wipe
>No change from Dark Angels
6: Righteous Vengeance
Psyker gains +3S +3T +3A +3I until this ability ends. At the end of each turn take a Leadership test or suffer 1 unsaved wound.

>>50422779
This is correct, ill try and find the force org. It revolved around Orders and Houses

>>50414840
Fantastic. Very heavenly name, is good.

>>50432152
Returned from your adventures, eh? Sounds in-character enough to be believable. Welcome back.

Back to writefag again. Any requests for theme and the participants of a short story?

>>50425449
Got a whole bunch of stuff I want to write but have been too lazy/busy to do.

Also I would really like it if we could get the rules onto the wiki.

>>50433565
I've had this idea for a bit, maybe you'll figure out a way to make it work:
An OU psyker, that recieves images of the Imperium Asunder and is either very distraught, or incredibly pleased with what he sees.

>>50431033
>>50431108
why would the fists use endurance buffing powers? they hate physics and embrace the concept of the flesh is weak. Surely endurance buffing magic goes against all of that

>>50434830
>They hate physics
An obvious typo but that's funny to think about.

>>50434847
>>50434830
I wrote that and now im laughing my ass off, how did i do that?

>>50432152
You seem to know your shit. How should I format a psychic discipline if I wanted to make my own?

>>50434859
"Brother! We must pursue the traitors at all costs!"
"But captain they're already in the air; Gravity itself dictates that we cannot catch them."
"Damn physics."

>>50425449
>The story is done. It's complete. We're all finished here. Nobody wants to admit it though.
We still need to put everything on the wiki.

>>50436103
Ah. Kinda just winged it.

Primaris and 6 others. The primaris is a guaranteed ability whilst the others and randomly rolled for.

From there i jist stole or modified spells / psychic abilities. And made up the 6 as a throw back to Raydon hulking out fighting aodhan.

Tried to stick with the theme of vengeance seeking. With a little bit of operator thrown in there.

>>50434047
He stared at the black orb in the heavens. The night creatures, the ones the star people called daemons were tearing his mind apart slowly as the Witchin' Dark continued. The fetid waters of Dusk's swamps burned in his wounds, but he cared little. He looked as the Tyrant Star opened and vomited darkness on his home world. He saw the man within wander in the darkness, looking for his way back. Beyond the man, there were doors of silver, countless doors. Behind each, he saw history, present and future of countless possibilities.

One door caught his eye: there, heretics ruled the Imperium. The faithful of the Emperor among stars were driven out of their homes to rebuild elsewhere. He found it both displeasing to see them lose and be driven back and pleased him to see them persevere. They were stronger than the Imperium he knew to last against such odds. Maybe even what he knew as the Imperium could be saved.

His vision failed him as he laid dying in the swamp. The world of wonder and power, and a dead Emperor whose will still lived on.
"Good luck", he said, and died with a smile on his face.

Bunping for psychic powers

>>50440561
Psychic discipline for Knights Exemplar

P: Aegis
>all models in the psykers unit gain +1T and +1 to their invulnerable save (6+ if none)
1: Righteous Lance
>witchfire, range 24" str9 ap2 lance
Or can buff caster
>grants d3 hammer of wrath hits at str9 ap2
2: call to arms
All enemy models in a unit that are in close combat with the psyker or his unit suffer an automatic wound on 4+ AP5
3: lords of war
Friendly unit gains +1 to hit and wound in close combat.
4: sworn to valor
>all friendly units within 12" gain fearless and zealot
5: bulwark
>Target character within 12" gains 4+ invulnerable save. Eternal warrior. And immediately regains a wound lost (if any) lasts until the start of players next turn.
6: rising sun
>all enemy units that draw line of sight to this psyker must take an Ld test and suffer wounds equal to the amount they fail by. No saves of any kind.

>>50440561
We already determined that the 4 angels of death lists were attributed to the Serpents so ill skip them.

Next up. Storm Kingdoms.

>>50441196
I'll just leave this guideline: it must has the subtlety (and power) of a giant psychic sledgehammer. Storm Hammers are all about ending the fight as quickly and efficiently as possible...but the latter can and will be sacrificed and changed to 'destructively' if need be.

>>50441263
Hows this then
P: lighning bolt
Witchfire: 18" str 5 ap3 assault salvo 1/3
1: name of the wind
>malediction: enemy unit immediately moves 6" in psykers choice of direction. Cannot move off board/through impassable terrain/into another unit. Fliers take a glancing hit. Vehicles move d6"
2: tempest wrath
>as per tempestus discipline
3: thunderclap
>psykers attack in close combat are replaced with a single stomp attack.
4: Herald of the storm
>psyker and his unit gain shocking trait for all close combat attacks
5: superdeathbeam name pending
> draw line 10" long 1" thick with base touching the psyker. All models touched by the line suffer a strD hit. Resolve wounds in sequence of proximity. Should it fail to remove a model it ends immediately. It will also end on contact with a super heavy. Cannot hit fliers.
6: storm caller
>all enemy units rolls a d6. On a 4+ that unit suffers d3 lightning bolts. On a 6. It gains the shocking trait.

>>50441459
Looks pretty cool. I can all see those powers helping in clearing the battlefield quickly. Even Name of the Wind, which would be great to move the enemy in range of some big 'murder death kill' effect or unit.

>>50441526
I like it and the superdeathbeam.
Push a unit infront of another and roast em both!

Next up will be... oathsworn

>>50441567
I'm working on one for the Illithyd.

Illithyd
P: mental chains
>target unit has a -2 penalty to initiative until the end of your opponent's next turn

1.Dominate
>use the target enemy unit in your next shooting or assault phase

That's all I have for now but I'll think up some more when I have more time.

>>50441567
P: psychic imprint
Choose up to 3 units within 18"
>enemies must roll Ld test of 3d6 keeping all. On fail they are pinned.
>allies gain rage, furious charge, and fearless until next turn.
1: ironhide
>unit gains +2T until next turn. Then suffers d3 str4 ap- hits.
2: life blood
>unit gains FNP 4+
3: hammer hand
>Unit gains +2str until next turn
4: bloodrage
Target unit immediately attacks itself. Treat as ongoing combat. After its resolved conduct ld test, if failed psyker chooses another enemy unit within 6" that suffers bloodrage as well. No unit can be targeted twice by the same cast of bloodrage.
5: morph
>choose 2 minimum
>+2 str, tou, I, A, WS
For every choice past 2, caster suffers str5 hit with no armour or invulnerable saves.
6: psychic shriek
>Malediction, all enemy units within 12" take initiative test. On fail they suffer permanant -2 leadership.

>>50441775
Tried to play up the whole 'nam vibes.

So the primaris is essentially inducing flashbacks. Allies get geed up enemies are like "fuck that noise". The capstone is pretty much that ramped up to 11.
Otherwise their training in biomancy and genemancy allows them to warp their bodies or the bodies of their enemies. But not without risk to themselves.

>>50441623
Dominate should be their ultimate and should require a test on their behalf to resist if it grants you the ability to seize their unit wholesale for a turn.

>>50441848
Oh yeah all these would require a save, it's definitely not automatic.

>>50441859
Any suggestions for whos up next? I got all day

>>50442297
Scions?

>>50442315
Scratch that, I can do those myself. How about the Negators' psyker slaves?

>>50442297
Do a Bloodhound one. I dunno enough about psychic power balance to do it justice.

IDK if the Warp Raiders would have their own specific discipline, their thing is more that they use a broad range of extant disciplines that space marines generally don't use, like Eldar farseeing and WAAAGH magic.

>>50442509
Bloodhounds pre khorne?

Mmm. A challenge i see. I ACCEPT

I'm working some more on the Storm Hammer wiki page: anyone got a compilation of what the other Primarchs thought of Engerand? I can't find all the relationships.

Also I've been meaning to ask: is there even much lore on the Asuran? They seem like an extremely neglected legion. If they are that neglected maybe I can help expand on them as we continue putting all the information together.

>>50443293
>>50444181
>Anshul the Resplendent: Scorn. Contempt. Mockery. Engerand had little to no love for the strange, mutated Anshul and his bizarre ways and was one of the most open and spiteful critic of a Legion he held up to be nothing less than a complete stain on the purity of Astartes. Not only that, but the scholarly ways of Anshul and his Legion were directly at odds with the pragmatic, martial culture of the Storm Hammers. While generally not one to scorn intellectuals, Engerand considered the Asuran to be wasting too much time in what he deemed the pursuit of 'abstract knowledge' which had no practical application to winning a battle, running an empire or even improving the lives of the citizen of the Imperium. Such a task was for crusty philosophers, not for Primarchs and Astartes.

>>50444558
I established that Engerand was there when Sarco was struck down by the Eldar titan a while back. What did he think of him before and after Interment? Did he gain or lose respect for him? How did he react when Sarco returned at the Council of Nikaea?

>>50444558
Oh, sorry for the quad post, but I forgot to add: just because I post under the trip of 'Engerand' it doesn't mean I'd always agree with Engerand-the-character. Personally, I really dig what little lore the Asuran have and could see myself fleshing them out, what with them arguably being the red-headed stepchildren of the Emperor on a level that make the Thousand Son and Magnus seem like cool and popular kids.

This is my attempt at setting things up for future conflict and basically making Anshul into 'Magnus but even worse off' as well as show that Engerand can be a dick as much as any other Primarch, despite arguably drawing influence from nice-guy Vulkan. I know there have been talk about how we're 'all done' with the Imperium Asunder lore, but unless somehow dump me 10 pages of lore for the underused Legions, there is still quite a bit to flesh out.

>>50444665
I wrote about that in a previous thread but you probably missed it. Unfortunately I think I forgot to note it down. Anyone got archive of all the threads? Its something I've been meaning to ask for a while because it seems a lot of the info is scattered across threads which might be gone.

>>50444706
Would you mind recapping?

>>50444820
Nevermind, found it.

From the quick read up on the wiki pages: the core tenet of Engerand, from his initial writeup, has always been 'getting shit done'. While his tactics are those of overwhelming, rapidly-deployed power (both using melee assault and a steady stream of firepower) to finish the fight as quickly as possible, as long, proacted campaign are not only something his legion aren't really good at (which mean their 'constant war' is probably a serie of raids and fierce, conflict-defining battles), meaning the use of stealth isn't something he'd frown upon. While some things aren't for him or his legion that doesn't mean he's someone to give crap to others for doing things differently. Post-dreadnaught I imagine he'd see Sarcos' legion as more of a kindred spirit due to how unsubtle and brute force Dreadnaught assaults can be. So really, not a whole for Engerand to disagree with Sarcos.

>He realized that war was not for personal glory, but for the good of the Imperium.
To some extent, such a change of mentality would resonate well with how I originally wrote the Storm Hammers (I've still yet to catch up on everything people wrote since then): that on some level there is much less of a focus on individual combat.

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A couple things I wrote for the Scions a while back that I'm reposting.

>>50444846
What was his reaction to Sarco getting chopped up by the titan? What about when he returned at Nikaea?

>>50445795
>What was his reaction to Sarco getting chopped up by the titan?
Considering this was pre-heresy, no Primarch had died at this point I assume so that would have probably been amongst the greatest shock in his life. A genuine 'oh crap' moment which would have caused him to zone out for a few split moments over the sheer incomprehension of it all. I imagine up until that point he hadn't never *quite* matured, despite his age, and most likely believed himself and any of his brothers to be invincible. Thus, Sarco's apparent death would make the moment when Engerand would slowly become aware of his own mortality, what with him constantly throwing himself and his Legion into the thick of the fight.

I imagine Nikea was such a mess that it wouldn't be something sorted out in one day. Most likely, the idea of a Dreadnaught Primarch would haunt the mind of Engerand for the rest of his life. I'm not entirely certain what he'd really think if he ended up stuck inside a Dreadnaught: on one hand even in death he'd still serve but on the other hand it would be a prison of metal.

Judging from the writeup on Sarco, it seem like out of the Loyalist Legion, the Undying Scions and Storm Hammers have a lot in common or at the very least little to disagree about so finding out that Sarco Funerus is 'alive' would certainly be a reason for Engerand to rejoice as much as he'd pity the poor bastard, what with a friend reduced to such a state.

>>50445942
Secondary question: if Engerand ever found out that the Scions were keeping the Emperor's corpse on Amaranth, what would he do?

>>50442693
Kinda didnt know what direction to go with this but came up with.

P: prey mark
>malediction. Target enemy unit becomes prey until another target is prey.
Prey target takes pinning test at the start of each turn.
1: blood boil
>as per sanguine discipline
>if target is prey. Take 3 toughness tests. And blast deals +1strength.
2: hunting lance
>str 8 ap 1 rng 12"
>if targetting prey that unit counts all terrain as difficult terrain next turn. And difficult terrain as dangerous.
3: thrill of the hunt
>Friendly unit gains rage. If it has rage it gains +1 attack instead. Must declare a charge if possible.
>MUST charge prey if possible. Reroll wounds against prey.
4: purging flames
>template str5 ap4 soulblaze
>reroll wounda against prey.
5:
>raging inferno
Place large template on caster. All models friend and foe suffer str6 ap4 hit. Soul blaze. Ignores cover. Can be cast in combat.
6: wild hunt
>target d3 enemy units. Targets lose fleet, furious charge, rage and counter attack if they have them.
>targets are marked as prey.

>>50446169
Well, the Scions are loyalist so its a non-issue. Its not worth the time, effort and resources to fight over. To Engerand, the Emperor is dead and He is only immortal through his ideals. The Emperor's corpse is, just that, a corpse so unless that corpse somehow is still ambulatory in some way (or to quote a certain web serie, 'not a regular-ass fucking corpse) its simply not worth recovering.

>>50443293
>thoughts of Engerand and SH
Respected though wasnt exactly close with. Didnt mesh well tactically being more of a cool headed type but didnt argue with results. Raydon did appreciate his straightforwardness but didnt necessarily agree with his points of views. The long and short of it was that he kept him in the middle circle of brothers. Not close with but didnt actively avoid.

The legions didnt work together often so had limited exposure. Though a mutual respect would be there as again - results speak for themselves.

>>50446218
I'm having trouble deciding on a primaris power for the Scions. Should it give the librarian and units around it IWND? I'm also thinking something that lets the psyker have Moves Through Cover and Fleet, fluffing it as just bowling through.

>>50444683
>we're all done
Whats that?

>>50446222
The hawks agree with that statement 100%

Also to answer for Klaus' relationship with Engerand.

He thought of him as he thought of all his brothers. He loved him for what he was. He saw his strengths and weaknesses and knew he fought not only for their father but for the common man. He held him as an exemplar of pragmatism. Someone who was quick to laugh and quick to fight. He would habe sparred with him often and would lilely have tried to teach him the elegant ways of the sword whilst wanting to learn the ways of the hammer, even if he didnt intend to use it. Just as a way to understand his brother more

>>50446301
>bowling through
Consider hammer of wrath and move thru cover rather than fleet.

>>50446350
>Whats that?
People earlier in the thread saying Imperium Asunder was finished due to slow days.

>>50446301
Scions
P: im the juggernaut bitch
Friendly unit gains HOW and Moves through cover. If it already has HOW it inflicts d3 instead.
1: unyielding
>target friendly vehicle gains IWND or +1 until next turn
2: ancestors call
>friendly unit gains counter attack and rending
3: hold the line
>all fr units with line of sight to psyker or his unit gain fearless
4: wisdom of the ancients
>Choose 2 of special rules list to apply til start of next turn.
5: surge
>Nova. Str 5 ap4 assault 2d6 soulblaze ignores cover.
6: final judgement
Psyker takes ld test. If passed enemy character takes ld test with -3 penalty. Suffers a wound for each point of failure. If psyker fails they suffer a wound no saves of any kind. And enemy is unaffected Rng 18".

Last is meant to be like pitting an unyielding will against an enemies. And crushing them. But weak will will only end up hurting the upstart psyker.

Tomorrow I'll begin work on an update/expansion of those poor, under-used Arms of Asura.

>>50446976
Feed back on the posted psychic disciplines would be appreciated. Ill get back to the others tomorrow, so please post suggestions as to who to do next.

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>>50446976
WIP color scheme ideas for the Arms of Asura.

>>50447071
I vote 2 or 4.

The others are not what I envision at all.

Alexios has an image that I think has good colour schemes for all the Legions.

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>>50447267

Just as an aside does anyone have any idea what their legion was before they found their Primarch? It's always an interesting shift in the OU for a lot of Legions, to see the before and after.

>>50443293
>Marcus to Engerand - General approval, usually coupled with a mild distaste for how hard they push their equipment. Marcus was one of the few Primarch's who had no taste for war but he respected the vigor that the Storm Hammer's undertook their assaults. However he likely would've never told Engerand about his gene-curse; so a general working respect for one another but no real feelings of comradery.

>>50447071
The brass/bronze with green makes it look a lot like the Iron Hearts. That would be a decent scheme for an Iron Heart librarian though.

>>50447746
Was?

It was the IInd Legion.

It was the be all and end all.

The Alpha and the Omega.

When people thought of what can an Astartes REALLY be, what can an Astartes REALLY do, what is the BEST we, as humanity aim for - they thought of the glorious Second.

They thought of their protectors, their saviours. Even before Raydon found his sons, and note: He was the only Primarch to find his sons and not vice versa. But even before Raydon, the glorious Second was earning its stripes. Bringing lost worlds into the fold.

They were the vanguard. The outriders. The front line.

Thats what they were.

>>50448104
What is Raydon's origin story exactly? It's not anywhere on the wiki, unfortunately.

In fact, that reminds me of something we could do. A couple of threads ago we reworked Marcus' backstory. That was a lot of fun, imo. How about we start with primarch I and work our way to XX, discussing the backstory and properly writing it down so we can put the definitive origins on the wiki?

>>50448160
This is a good idea

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>>50448227
Alexios-senpai has noticed me… and he likes my idea… today is a good day.

>>50448160
is marcus's stuff on the wiki?

>>50448336
Nope. Barely anything ever makes it on the wiki. That's IA's biggest problem honestly.

>>50448160
About to go to bed. But in summary.

>lands on planet
>survives for a while in the scrub
>sees people. People have metal bawkz.
>sneak onto bawkz. "Lets go adventuring"
>bawkz goes to the sky and beyond
>im on a boat. In space
>joins crew as stowaway baby primarch
>demonstrates primarch tendancy of being fucking awesome
>becomes known to captain and bridge crew
>becomes captains protégé
>oh btw we be pirates yar matey
>becomes pirate captain in time
>has dreams of glowing giant
>dreams dont go away
>am i this giant?
>dreams of far away land with glowing giant
>imma go find this dream planet and be this glowing man
>goes in search of Sol and Terra
>intercepts and attacks Imperial explorer ship
>SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER IM DA EMPEROR
>Raydon sees him and knows immediately he isnt infact the glowing man, that the glowing man in the Emperor.
>kneels and pledges service to papa

Forever remembered as the son that wasnt found, but came in search.

>>50448724
Alright, check. Guess we'll get to that one after Balthasar.
Isn't Balthasar your creation, Alexios?

>>50446538
My only gripe is with 3 because marines already have ATSKNF.

>>50447071
I think you'd be able to use all of these for different companies or roles. I like the green because it looks like a patina over the copper color.

>>50450332
Not in 30k, I believe. Never played it, just watched it.

>>50450364
Ah, same. But this would be more appropriate closer to 40k what with all the ancestor worship.

>>50450017
Okay so, what I know about Balthasar is that he lands on a planet called Karach.

Karach is the English countryside except absolutely balling. The world is ruled by strict autocratic ruling class that treat the plebs like shit and spend their time engaging in all sorts of very civilized revelry, like tennis and wild game hunting and such. Balthasar is taken in by the greatest lord of these houses, Lord Bornhold, and grows up into an exemplary gentleman.

More out of bloodlust than anything else, he eventually leads a people's rebellion against Bornhold and overthrows the ruling class, but instead of changing the brutal system of governance on Karach he just jiggles around the order of things. Eventually the Emperor finds him and is like "Well, you're a vicious little shithead. You'll do."

>>50450419
I get the feeling that Balthazar acts like the guy from American Psycho when around his brothers and only some of them are able to see through the act.

>>50450484
I love that, i'm imagining the business card scene but he's comparing his men to the silver spears

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>>50450419
I'm going by the wiki page here, as Balthasar is one of the few to have one.
There are some differences from the one you posted, I'm not sure which version of events people prefer.

On the wiki, Balthasar leads the people of his planet in a rebellion, after he realises the horrors of the aristocratic system.
He seeks to give them the means of production, which would mean he wants a communistic system, instead of perpetuating the old one.

The wiki entry also states that the Emperor didn't just show up and took Balthasar into the fold. Instead they had an elaborate hunt, which lasted weeks.
I instantly prefer this version, because Ferrus' and Vulkan's backstories has shown that this is something that the Emperor would do and it gives an origin to Balthasar's cloak.

>>50450484
>>50450529
If we ever get an official design for Balthasar we miss you drawfag, we should get a version of pic related.

>>50450572
back to namefagging

>>50450600
Im curious, do you think that my refusal to namefag has mattered at all? made this worse/harder? or better in any way? just thinking about it, i always say "Hey Fist guy here" but anyone could do that, i had hoped not having a name would let others take my place easier

>>50450646
It doesn't REALLY affect anything, it's just easier to have a conversation and read back old post when there are names attached.
People impersonating you isn't a problem, people don't take Imperium Asunder THAT seriously. And we don't want anyone to replace anyone, so I don't see why you would want to make that easier.

>>50450572
Yeah, I only knew the basics, that's probably more accurate.

Though, considering how he seems to be very much an aristocratic, master of the manor type figure, I feel there's some reconciling to do between his desire to give the people of Karach the means of production and how Balthasar acts generally.

I recall Alexios mentioning that he once had a girl flayed alive in his court, and he and his Marines just laughed at her. So I get the impression that any stated desire he had to free people from the ruling aristocracy was underpinned by his need for violence. It just seems like he was totally into the whole horrific aristocratic stuff.

>>50450419
>>50450572
So to what extent is Balthasar a failed idealist and to what extent does he just want the blood to flow. Might be neat to have him actually have some values and ideals which is partially why he gets on so well with others.

Also might be worth asking what the difference between Balthasar and Gengrat is and what the reason for that is.
I have my ideas but I'm interested in the gestalt.

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>>50450572
There's always been a bit of a disconnect between that story and Balthasar's future character. When he ends up ruling, he does so in an Aristocratic/Totalitarian manner a la Stalin, although Stalin embraced new trappings of power where Balthasar reckoned back to the old ones he had only just ousted. His "communist" party does not look very different from the aristocrats it overthrew. Does he see the foolishness of thinking the proles were a noble under class when he realizes they have their own unique sort of brutality? Does he feel the euphoric rush of bloodlust during the reign of terror and gain a liking for it? Does he simply SEEM idealistic at the beginning, when in reality he simply wanted to see his father burn?

Let's answer those questions. I don't see Balthasar as "my" character so much as one I helped write for the project at large, so help me answer these questions.

"My" character is Oramar

Also Patrick Bateman is an excellent parallel.

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Given there isn't really a 'default' for Space Marines in Imperium Asunder (and thus no Code Astartes to standarize markings) I think the Storm Hammers will go for 1st Edtion-esque marine markings.

>>50452589
>>50452439
>>50452353
>>50450694
I'm kind of gravitating to the idea that originally Balthasar really does believe that the commoners are actually a noble underclass, but he kind if loses himself when they turn out to be just as violent as the aristocrats. He realises that these people aren't any different from the cruel nobility, so there's no reason for him to change much.

Balthasar seems like the kind of guy that fully agrees with the message of Lord of the Flies.

>>50452796
perhaps he realizes cruelty and violence are the only thing that's truly universal?

>>50452838
Exactly. And the only true differences between people is how well they dress, what they eat and how much they pamper their face.

>>50452769
There is a 'default' and there is a codex astartes...

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>>50452913

>>50452913
That typo hurts.

*are

>>50452796
Building on this I think he tried to restrain himself and limit his bloodlust to hunting but as the rebellion evolves into a French Revolutuion style purge he reaches a tipping point - the revolution is eating itself almost as soon as he gives the commoners power and he realizes that in end everyone wants an opportunity to shed blood.
Ironically that realization might actually make him happier - he knows he's not alone now.

>>50452838
>>50452913
And so when faced with this, does he becomes the Leviathan (Hobbes style) or does he just say fuck it?

Do Enoch and Balthasar have philosophical debates?

>>50453092
I don't know what that means sempai

>>50453018
I like that.
So then is part of his charm his unabashed bloodless? Sort of in a way that only primarchs and astartes could really appreciate thanks to their hyper aggressive tendencies. Makes him come across as very genuine regardless of whatever else he does.
I'm reminded of of that line from Metal Gear someone used for Balthasar about one's inner child.
End result is that inhuman charisma aside, a normal human would probably find Balthasar damn creepy and unsettling, while he touches something innate in Astartes and Primarchs.

>>50453123
Oh, whoops. Figured with the English Enlightenment themes, Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau etc were in play.

Anyways, Hobbes has this idea that sans society and the order that it brings human life is nasty, brutish, and short. The role of the ruler is to impose order by any means necessary. Ultima Ratio Regum and all that. Through this monopoly on coercion and violence, the sovereign maintains order. Thinking Enoch, Gengrat, Redacted, and Xun subscribe to this view of things.
So really it comes down to whether or not Balthasar brings an end to the Reign of Terror or chuckles and allows it to proceed.

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>>50453349
>So really it comes down to whether or not Balthasar brings an end to the Reign of Terror or chuckles and allows it to proceed.
It sounds more like he discovers that the Reign of Terror was what he wanted all along

>>50453188
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNzBQhQIarc

You mean this?

Sundowner did nothing wrong.

>>50453386
I never understood why the comedian was crying about the ozys plan.

I just dont get it.

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>>50453603
Who's Raiden?

>>50453771
Tee hee hee

>>50453804
Nanomachines, Xun.

>>50453948
A weapon to surpass Ordinatus? A weapon to surpass Ordinatus.

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>>50453948
I dont get it :/

Stumped on a paladins psychic discipline.

Been stuck on it and need help.
Otherwise im thinking maybe a nurgly-rad-type for corrupt second sons.

>>50455641
Honestly they seem like they'd just be the type to use relatively generic Librarius-type powers.

Maybe a predisposition toward healing powers and guarding light style buffs. They are paladins, after all.

>>50455641
P: rad waves
>template attack. Toughness test or wound.
1: maisma of RADiance
>enemy unit within 18" loses 1 WS or I
>can boost to lose D3
2: krptonite swords
>close combat attacks gain poison. If they had poison gain fleshbane.
3: green beams of explodiness
>target unit suffers D6 str5 ap- hits.
>takes T test.
>if fail suffers another hit. And repeat T test.
4: nurgle blessing
>aura of FNP to friendly units. +1 fnp if they already have it.
5: decay
>enemy unit gains slow and purposeful
>enemy units weapons gain gets hot
6: obliteration
>place large blast marker on caster
>-1T to all under blast
>take str4 ap2 hit and take T test. On fail. -1T becomes permanant

Ran out of fucks trying to name things.

>>50453603
Yep.

>>50453386
So then what does a hunt with Balthasar look like? I've been picturing something fairly restrained as if trying to keep the blood at arms length.

All right, back and starting on expanding the lore of the Arms of Asura and their strange rites, using a mixture of Hindu and Buddhist mythology, Alchemy and Taoism. Somehow.

Will post later this evening the WIP fluff and will strive to rewrite as little possible of the original lore.

>>50456087
Is that a I have no ideas suggest shit "somehow" or is it a this is going to be awesome "somehow"?

>>50456275
>is it a this is going to be awesome "somehow"?
Aiming for that. We'll see how it turns out.

Let's equate IA characters with revengeance characters.

>Anshul
Monsoon

>Faustus
Doktor

>>50446538
Oh yeah and final judgement seems like a worse psychic shriek.

>>50456526
Shriek targets units. Judgement targets characters. But change it up if you want.

The Arms of Asura are cultists first and foremost, viewing themselves as a religious institution first and a military force second. Their enemies are not mankind, nor xenos, nor any individual power - Anshul's sons battle against the Great Illusion, the denial of Chaos and its inherent truth. Those who would prop up the Illusion are merely instruments of its deception, characterized in Legion mythology as frail, insubstantial shadows that believe themselves solid. Military terms have long since been discarded by the Legion. Captains have been replaced by Magisters and Chapter Commanders by Arch-Magisters, along with a dozen other more specific, esoteric designations that make the Legion's hierarchy resemble something more akin to a pentagram than a more typical pyramid structure. At the center of this convoluted pattern is Anshul, the Legion's Primarch, regarded by his devotees as the sole source of light and truth in a universe obfuscated from itself.


More than most Astartes Legions, the Arms of Asura heavily changed following the discovery of their Primarch. How much of it is true and how much is nothing but their own twisted belief is open to interpretation.
-Cultivation of the Body and Mind: Heavily spiritual people, the inhabitants of Ravana were known for a wide variety of practice to master one’s body and mind, ranging from spiritual teaching to acupuncture to martial arts as well as complex (and dangerous) rituals using hallucinatory substances. This is how, according to legends, mythical holy men could separate their minds from their bodies, walk through fire unscathed or survive a year on a single bean. Even after their fall to Chaos, the Arms of Asura maintain such practices to hone their bodies and minds. Such discipline might seem paradoxical, but the paradox itself is an intrinsic part of their doctrine and belief.

>>50457032
-Meditation: Perhaps one of the most important practice of the Legion and certainly one of its more mundane. The Arms of Asura were well-known for their long, controlled trances. Most members of the Legion, when not in prayer or actively campaigning to convert the universe to chaos, spend their time in ascetic meditation, which is rather different from the typical image of a rampaging, frenzied servant of chaos. Legend hold that masters of meditation are able to learn directly from the warp itself or even tap into the collective memories of the Legion but as with anything involving this Legion, separating fact from their belief and the rumours is difficult.
-Psychic Choirs: Few in numbers, the Arms of Asura fuel their warp practices through massive rituals of meditation involving hundred of cultists. These complex rituals use prayer, geometry and dangerous substances alike. While a comparatively slow process compared to unleashing raw warp energy, it is much more reliable and safer.
-Warp Alchemy: One of the most dangerous craft practice by the Legion, Warp Alchemy is rooted in the ancient Ravanan study of the human body and its spiritual connection. Little is truly understood of it by outsider, but it can be best described as a mixture of surgical and genetic practices and modifications combined with warp sorcery. Through it, the Arms of Asura express the very changing nature of chaos in their flesh. Warp Alchemy is also used to create monstrous minions and battle-beasts.

>>50457051
Tactics and Special Units:
Compared to the other Legions, the Arms of Asura field fewer marines, instead relying on their cultists and war-beasts.
-Cultists and Guru: A basic squad of chaos cultist led by a powerful human (or mutant) psyker.
-Possessed: The most common ‘special’ unit of the Arms of Asura.
-Possessed Terminators and Terminator Sorcerers: Terminator Armor is rare within the Legion and reserved for its greatest champions which, by the Legion’s standard, are the most spiritually-attuned
-Rakshasa: The war-beasts of the Arms of Asura, created through Warp Alchemy. No two is quite alike but most are powerful assault units with oversized maw and multiple arms. Can be considered a form of highly enhanced chaos spawn.
-Vahana Cavalry: The ‘fast attack’ of the Arms of Asura do not use jet pack or bike. Rather, these marine ride specially bred war-beasts, each attuned to its master. These chaos-infused beasts combine the trait of various animals and are fiercely loyal to their rider.

>>50457068
Geneseed:
During the Great Crusade, the Legion which would become known as the Arms of Asura was known to have a rather peculiar gene seed, which most considered to be of inferior stock. The Catalepsean Node and Sus-an Membranes were known to be particularly prone to mutation when analyzed and tested for purity but during the crusade era these mutations were generally considered to be an unfortunate, but manageable, genetic drift. It is these mutated organs which allowed the Asuran to enter and exit their strange, deep meditative trances where they could seemingly commune with the Warp.

After their fall to Chaos and the omnipresent use of possession and deliberate warp taint combined with their useage of mutant stock has irredeemably damaged the gene-stock of the Arms of Asura. One strange and beneficial mutation, which seem to have been deliberately engineered are in the organs which are designed to sustain the life of the marine: members of the Legion are reported to, especially when saturated with warp energy, to be able to spontaneously regenerate as well as adapt and mutate. Their very flesh is but a canvas for the powers of the warp. The downside to this is that most Arms of Asura cannot produce viable progenoid glands, forcing the Legion to raid the stock of others, which they then warp and infuse with their own genetic stock to imbue these geneseed with their shared legion trait.

Even when not possessed or deliberately altered through their strange alchemy, Asuran are notoriously monstrous. Unnatural skin color, deformed cartilage, glowing eyes and tusks are not uncommon mutations even amongst those Astartes not from heavily mutated stock.

>>50457068
I imagine their codex also goes something like this:

HQ:
-Chaos Lord/Possesed Lord
-Sorcerer/Terminator Sorcerer
-Daemon Prince

Elite:
-Possessed Chosen
-Possessed Terminator
-Rakshasa Hulk (Giant chaos spawn of dooom!)
-Psychic Choir (Bunch of human psykers)

Troops:
-Cultist and Guru (require to have at least one squad, good weapon loadout and variety)
-Chaos Space Marine
-Possessed (as a troop choice)
-Rakshasa

Fast Attack:
-Vahana Cavalry
-Cultist Cavalry (on weaker, smaller chaos beasts)

Heavy Support:
-Cultist Heavy Weapon Squad
-Chaos Havoc
-'Heavy Weapon' Possessed (hurl weird warp fire stuff, or something)

Plus the assorted lot of vehicles, obviously.

>>50457088
Questions.

First. Why if during the great crusade their geneseed let them commune with the warp were they not instagibbed by the Emperor ala Ironhearts?

2. I dont mind regeneration and mutation but the "body is a canvas" seems to be a lot like the oathsworns gimmick. Thoughts on how to differentiate them.

In truth i think that they have enough generic difference through their size, eyes, and 'link' to the warp.

>>50457190
>First. Why if during the great crusade their geneseed let them commune with the warp were they not instagibbed by the Emperor ala Ironhearts?
I don't imagine it as a really 'refined' ability and in my head they were so few back then, pre-Primarch (and even less in their ranks had such a weird ability) that it wasn't any weirder than the existence of Librarians.

>2. I dont mind regeneration and mutation but the "body is a canvas" seems to be a lot like the oathsworns gimmick. Thoughts on how to differentiate them.
I see this more as an ability on their possessed and champions. The wiki says possessed are their specialty and you'll notice it mention such an ability is linked to 'warp saturation' so its more of a thing they do when getting taken over by daemons or doing really really crazy warp ritual shit. I simply don't envision it as a default ability.

>>50457088
Thoughts on the idea.

>over time the link to the warp has irreparably damaged their geneseed
>to the point 1 in 100 is able to be transplanted
>however! Due to the bond between them and the warp they are able to make alchemic-sorcery versions. Using an imprint or shadow or echo of the geneseed from the warp which they overlay onto stolen geneseeds.
>in this way they survive off stolen geneseed but through magic and alchemy they essentially transmute the stolen seed into their seed.

>>50457219
One thing I should explain, thematically: because of their theme, I imagine their more unique abilities and tricks are things which are actually exceedingly limited as some 'deeper mysteries' of their sects, something which take a marine centuries to master. Their average guy is basically just a very meditation-heavy, strangely zen chaos marine with a lot of knowledge about the warp but maybe not the full grasp of how much it can achieve. I see them with a lot of 'old masters' teaching the younger marines. Only when they are 'spiritually ready' do they start dabbling in the much more dangerous things (which has, like any warp-related effect, a good chance of blowing up in their face).

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>>50457180
do more of these please

>>50457446
I think I can at least do the Storm Hammers.

HQ:
-0-1 Captain + Honor Guard with Company Champion (Power Armor OR Terminator)
-0-1 Company Captain + Honor Guard with Company Champion OR Taranisian Deployment (Power Armor OR Terminator)
-Librarian/Terminator Librarian
-Techmarine + Servitors

Elite:
-0-1 Taranisian Deployment (5 Taranian in Power or Terminator armor, can be upgraded to 10 if game has X amount of points or more)
-Veteran
-Terminators
-Maelstrom Terminator (basically a walking tempest in the shape of a terminator, thanks to Maelstrom Generators, count as a specific type of Terminator due to specific loadout)
-Dreadnought

Troops:
-Tactical Squad + Rhino
-Assault Squad + Rhino
-Chapter Serfs + Marine Commander/Scout Squad + Marine Commander
-Some drop pod option

Fast Attack:
-Eradicator Squad (marine with huge-ass weapons, designed to clear enemies which rely on massive numbers like Orks or Tyranids)
-Jump Pack Squad
-Bike Squad
-Some drop pod option

Heavy Support:
-Breacher Squad (Big shields as well as plasma and melta weaponry)
-Heavy Weapon Squad
-Techmarine + All sort of big-ass siege weapons

Plus the usual assortment of tanks.

>>50457446
Knights Exemplar
>HQ
- Lord Valiant (chapter master EQ)
- Knight Captain
- 0-1 Knight Protector, can be upgraded at cost to Blade Master.

>Elites
- Sword Brothers (veterans, can take terminator armour for low cost) - power sword default.
- Knight Solar (think lone wolf type, has access to lascannon-lance hybrid)
- dreadnoughts
>troops
Crusader squad
Terminators squad
>heavy
Centurions
Tanks
>fast
Bikes
Assault squads
Land speeders

So, any more input on the reworked/expanded Arms of Asura before I write more about them?

My idea on what the Undying Scion army list might look like, with my own twist and interpretation, trying to mix both the 'before' and 'after' of the Legion:
HQ:
-Captain + Command Squad
-Dreadnought Captain
-Dreadnought Librarian
-Librarian
-Techmarine + Servitor

Elite:
-Dreadnought
-0-1 Leviathan Dreadnought
-Veterans
-Terminators
-Techmarine Covenant

Troops:
-Tactical Marine + Rhino
-Siege Squad (Similar to a tactical squad but with a more siege-oriented loadout)

Fast Attack:
-Seeker Squad (eliminate high-priority targets)
-Heavy Land Speeder
-Battle Buggy (counterpart to bikes of sorts)
-Siege Buggy (With thick armor and a mounted missile launcher)

Heavy Support:
-Siege Dreadnought
-Heavy Weapon Squad
-Breacher Squad

>>50457886
The Scions probably make use of centurions for some things. Also don't forget that there's a chaplain dreadnought.

>>50458000
Oh right, forgot about those. My bad.

>>50457781
I think youre on a good track.

Im keen to see more of this pentagram idea explored and how you envision them organising around it.

>>50457745
Hawks
>HQ
Force Commander (chapter master x Saboteur)
Strike Captain (captain)
Vigilator
Warden (librarian)

>Elites
0-1 Spectre
0-3 veterans
0-1 terminators (if Force Commander is taken)
>troops
Tactical Squad (with aircraft transports)
Recon Squad (options to take scout armour and sniper rifles)
>fast
0-3 imperial attack craft
0-3 astartes attack fliers
>heavy
Devastator squad
Booby traps
Strike Teams (ambush rule)
0-2 heavy fliers

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>>50458065
Religious and spiritual practice are at the core of the Legion. Their belief is quite complex if not outright maddening. The universe is, according to them, a Great Illusion. To exist is to be in denial of the truth that is Chaos. The Warp is, to them, a greater level of existence and consciousness and while it is universal truth it is not easily attained. Some would argue that right there is a paradox: if Chaos is so universal then how come it take a lifetime to truly understand it? More verbose and willing to discuss and share their ideas via a mean other than a chainsword to the face than their fellow chaos space marines, the Arms of Asura would be quick to point out that contradiction itself is a facet of the warp and chaos.


The Arms of Asura do not worship the Chaos Gods. This, again, would seem like yet another paradox of their belief system. While they acknowledge the Chaos Gods as an essential component of Chaos and the Warp they merely see them as an ‘emanation’ of a greater, more universal chaotic truth. When true spiritual enlightenment is achieved, they claim, there will be no need for the Chaos Gods who will, in turn, not need to be bound by such names and associations. Chaos will be so absolute there will be no beginning nor end, no time or differentiation: it will be pure chaos in which even the Gods of Chaos are dissolved.


The ‘pentagram’ of the Arms of Asura represent the various ‘truths’ of Chaos, which other chaos worshipper associate in part to the Chaos Gods.
The first Truth: Life is change. Change is chaos. Associated with Tzeentch.
The second Truth: Life is desire. Desire is chaos. Associated with Slaanesh.
The third Truth: Existence is life. Life is chaos. Associated with Nurgle.
The fourth Truth: Life is savagery. Savagery is chaos. Associated with Khorne.
The fifth Truth: Chaos is a paradox. Associated with Malal.

>>50458355
In addition, the center and outside of the pentagram form three more Truths:
The central Truth: The four truths must be both denied and accepted and in their paradox, the fifth truth, become the central truth.
The outer Truth: Truth can be taught. Chaos can become.
The All-Truth: Chaos is. While this might seem rather simplistic to outsiders, there is a much greater meaning to be pondered in this simple statement.

Yes, its all deliberately meant to be koan-like. Its also evil chaos Buddhism.

>>50457032
>>50457051
>>50457068
Awesome

>>50457088
I take it these things develop as time goes on? I can't imagine the Emperor putting up with that level of mutation and gene seed instability.

>>50457180
Nice.

>>50457314
I think they make a cool counterpoint for the Oathsworn.

>>50457611
(Have you seen the Deathwatch kits with the heavy thunderhammers? I'm picturing the Eradicators as having those.)

>>50457745
>>50457886
>>50458333
Liking this.


>>50458355
>>50458367
Nice. I like their approach. It also gives them a nice niche in Chaos Theology compared to guys like Gengrat, Xun, and Oramar.

>>50458744
>I take it these things develop as time goes on? I can't imagine the Emperor putting up with that level of mutation and gene seed instability.
I see it as a tiny (but nonetheless noticeable) flaw unfortunately nurtured into a dangerous mutation near the end of the Crusade and into the Heresy. Its worth noting that the Asuran share their Legion number with the Thousand Son but I have no idea if previous wiki people did it on purpose or not.

The Emperor put up with the TS in canon early on so I imagine the pre-Primarch 15th Legion could have managed if their odd gift was suppressed, as it would probably be bothersome to the marines. Its just some disturbing genetic deviance encouraged by their primarch.

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>HQ
Strategos (Chapter Master)
Command Speeder
Episkopos (Chaplain)
Protostrator (MOTF)

>Elites
0-1 Varangiran Terminators
0-2 Vestes (Veterans in bike or scout variety)

>Troops
Comitatenses (Tacticals in drop pods, neophytes go here)
Cataphracts (bike squads)

>Fast
0-2 Land Speeder squadrons
0-2 Land Speeder Storms
0-2 Psiloi Squads (scout bikes)
0-2 Storm Eagles

>Heavy
0-3 Peltasts (Devastators in drop pods)
0-3 Storm Ravens
0-3 Siege Dreadnoughts

>>50457446


HQ
-Warsmith (Can be given an Arcana: Lachrymerta, Reductor, Cybernetica, Incendia etc etc.)
-Technomystic (Librarian/Techpriest)
-Honor Guard
-Coven (Basically a unit with brotherhood of psykers and blessings of the omnissiah)

Elites
-Abomination Engine
-Contemptor Dreadnought Talon
-Boxnaught Talon
-Cybernetica Unit
-Coven
-Kill-Servitors, including Ogryn Charoinites and Cy-Carnivora
-Daemon Engines like Decimator and Blood Slaughterer


Troops
-Thralls
-Tactical Squad with Transport
-Bikers

FA
-Bikers++, like Vanguard Vet version bikers
-Strato-Automata
-Vorax Hunting Pack (2-9 Vorax + Huntsmaster, a lesser technomystic on a bike or in a tank)
-Terminators and Breachers + Land Raider, Spartan, Drop Pod, or Teleport capability
-Main Battle Tanks

HS
-Siege Automata
-Havocs
-Havocs
-Artillery
-Siege Automata
-Daemon Engines
-Abomination Engines


All this varies by the Arcana you select.

>>50458821
Forgot to add: the physical changes did not exist in any large number pre-chaos and probably only developed over the life time of the Terran Legionnaire of the 15th Legion. I imagine those early mutated marines were killed and their progenitor glands destroyed. As I've previously mentioned, these problems built up over time.

After the fall to chaos, however, these guys are all mutated in some freaky way.

>>50458896
Have you put any thought into what kind of psychic discipline the Sky Serpents would have?

>>50458896
Assume this is behemoth guard?

Also i think there is waaaay to many psykers in HQ. Except for honorguard everything either IS or can be. I dont think youd have enough psykers to fill all command roles.

I've done some catching up on the fluff and upon finding out about Rubinek and his broken, inferior legion I've come to the conclusion that there was at least one Legion worse than the Arms of Asura in Engerand's eyes....

>>50459135
I believe that Engerand might have been discovered after the Iron Judgement.

>>50459182
Wait, can anyone give me a timeline on the Iron Hearts?

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Imperium_Asunder#Primarch_Order

It used to say here but Rubinek is outcast like 2-3 primarchs after he's found

>>50459077
Not the Warsmith, but yeah, that's fair.

>>50458996
They'd have an odd set. I'd imagined them as basically doing Angels of Death Librarius, Fulgurite, and Technomancy.
Later they'd get Sanctic.

But something unique to them...

Probably something like:

Fury of the Serpent
Rerolls to hit and to wound in CC, Fear

Scales of the Serpent
+1 T or armor

Coils of Doubt
Enemy unit takes penalty to LD and WS

Vascilation
Enemy must pass a LD test before they can act each phase.

Paths of Heaven
Unit returns to ongoing reserves before deepstricking next turn. Can effect a unit in CC, can assault, but don't gain +1 attack?

Lance of Heaven
Str 7 ap 2 18" Lance beam. Too much?

Might of Heaven
+1 Str, +1 FNP

>>50459314
Then I guess its still Anshul who catch Engerand's wrath.

>>50459346
I think it works best to have the Serpents just create the angel of death disciplines, rather than being restricted to a single discipline.

Matches their "we have something for everything" type mentality.

Which Legion should I expand upon next? Preferably a Legion which has not a lot of fluff and whose creator isn't around anymore.

>>50460261
we should continue going down the list 1-20

>>50460733
Crimson Warhawks got some decent amount of fluff. Fists of Mars and Void Lords could probably use some more fleshing out.

So...dumb as fuck question but a legit one: is there even ANY lore on the how and why of the corruption of chaos in this timeline given how Erebus, Kor Phaeron and Lorgar aren't around to be blamed for it?

>>50460962
Oramar did it

>>50460992
Odd, given how he's not even in the same faction as the Dark Imperium. Speaking of which: that Dark Imperium REALLY should get fleshed out because it seems we've mostly fleshed out the former imperial loyalist the most so far...

>>50461046
Essentially he orchestrates the chaos tainting of REDACTED and Balthasar which creates a self-perpetuating chain reaction that leads to the DI.

>>50460992
>>50461124
>>50460962

Good question.

Starts with Oramar, spreads to the Warmaster, but then what?

Is it the Mouth of Sauron running around and talking people into it?

I know there was talk of the Asura finding something old and going on a Lorgar-esque Pilgrimage to find the truth. Do they become the charismatic face of the chaos cult, spreading their ideas under the guise of Librarius exercises? (Leading to some really weird shit and a great deal of confusion when the Sky Serpents Librarians see bits of it.)

I'd been picturing that the Behemoth Guard were starting to get into weird shit via the mechanicum, with infection routes coming from the Scorpion Prophet of Xana II in particular, but potentially Rapture, Sarum, and Mezoa.
Kalvas Elsophar ends up having visions of the Changer of Ways and goes to talk to Gengrat about it. Gengrat has been hearing rumblings from the Spirits and has had some weird overtures from the Warmaster, so when Elsophar shows him what he's found, Gengrat's response is more or less "Huh. The old witch of Terrodyne was on to something, after all."

>>50461154
We should absolutely fluff the mouth of sauron character more

his name was High Overseer Lazarus IIRC

>>50461154
I dont like the idea of Asura hiding his practices under the librarius or anything really.

He is devoted to his ideals, someone so sure of the truth doesnt hide it. They know it to be inevitable and typically assume others to see things their way. Someone as arrogant as the Primarchs certainly.

>>50460796
:D

>>50460733
Probably the best way to get everything done. And if DocJob was here I think he would like the idea as it makes updating the wiki 10000x easier

>>50461154
Other Marcusfag here
Somethign I wanted to get to in the rework was something from one of the Grey Knights books; Dark Adptus. Anybody read that one? In it a complete STC for a Titian is found and it's been corruped by Chaos to the point where it's basically a high tier demon.
My idea was that Gengrat would find that STC and conflict over that would trigger the Martian Schism. Gengrat would learn of Chaos from it and that would spread across Mars.
Just a thought. I felt it was an interesting idea from BL and the idea of giving the Mother of all Titans to Gengrat helps give Chaos an edge.

>>50461429
So its found to be corrupt before the heresy?

Also Gengrat never had much to do with the Mechanicus, having hated them since he was found - why would his actions lead to an internal schism.

>>50458355
>>50458367
>>50461344
I think Arms of Asura and Black Suns would have some friction between them, and not in a good way. Whereas Arms of Asura see the warp as a higher level of existence, the Black Suns openly oppose Chaos as it "is in the way of something greater". What Black Suns mean with this remains a secret of theirs, albeit most who pay heed to the warband's words and deeds believe they refer to the Tyrant Star... While a few scholars fear this is not the case, and there is something far worse that the Black Suns are planning to unleash.

>>50461503
Yeah the STC was corrupt for a very long time in the book.
You make a good point about Gengrat but I don't see him sharing it - I see him letting Mars know he has it and letting his fellow Primarch's know about it. From there Mars goes ballistic and splits in three:
One side wants to go full secession - this Imperium thing was a mistake, fuck the fleshies.
The middle wants to side fully with the Emperor and they beg him to make Gengrat give them the STC what with it being their property.
The third goes nuts, tries to raise the Void Dragon and eventually leads to the despoiling of Mars.

>>50461429
>>50461780
well the "martian schism" could be less two mechanicus forces fighting each other and more "do we really need a mechanicus at all" vs "yes of fucking course we do you heretic"

>>50461780
>full secession
I assume this timeline matches with the heresy, and they seek to use the internal turmoil as a way to run away?
I don't see it as viable to remain on mars with either the Warmaster or the Emperor in power.

>Begs the Emperor
If the timeline matches the heresy, why would the Emperor have any 'power' over Gengrat

>Release Void Dragon
I can see this, but how does it play into the Heresy, the Mechanicus in Exile, the Dark Mechanicus, and Gengrats own techno-movement.

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>>50462455
Is there artwork that more perfectly captures a Primarch.

>Aodhan

>>50461344
You know me too well. We should not skip anyone and continue down the list. I still don't think we're done with Balthasar though. Even if we've discussed everything about him we want to, we should not move on until his backstory is written out and posted on the wiki.
If we don't, it's never gonna happen and we all know it won't.

>>50462752
Can confirm. So assuming a more methodological approach.

The sequence is
>Warmaster (pre crusade)
Faustus (pre crusade)
>Raydon (M30.002)
Alexios (M30.006)
>Marcus (M30.009)
Sarco (M30.011)
>Rubinek (M30.011)
Aodhan (M30.014)
>Klaus (M30.018)
Balthasar (M30.033)
>Saul (M30.052)
Enoch (Ironhearts Censure around here) (M30.098)
>Engerand (Ironhearts Censure around here) (M30.100)
Xun (M30.105)
>Kashaln (M30.108)
Anders (M30.111)
>Oramar (M30.126)
Anshul (M30.131)
>Gengrat (M30.147)
Graha'nak (M30.199)

So do we start with Faustus, go thru everything top to bottom then post it all to the wiki?

>>50462990
I was planning on going through it in order of the legions, with the Balthasar going first and with Klaus being done last. The order we do it in doesn't matter much desu.
I'm at school right now though, so I can't update Bornhold's backstory at the moment. I'll just take the one already on the wiki as a starting point and edit our discussion from earlier into it.

Does anyone have anything to add to Balthasar's origin?

Also, we're not skipping the Warmaster. Funny as the REDACTED meme may be, we need more concrete information about him.

>>50463236
Oh yeah, that makes sense as well.

The reason I was thinking to do it in terms of timeline is to more accurately integrate them into each others origins.

Ofcourse we shouldnt skip Redacted he is instrumental in Redacted, not to mention without Redacted we couldn't Redacted. He is the one that finds Redacted and takes it to Redacted. I think he should be fully flesh out. Talk about his physical description, his Redacted and Redacted. Redacted RedactedRedacted.

Yeah thats not a bad place to start really.

>>50463236
REDACTED isn't a funny meme... it's interesting writing.

>>50463274
Fair enough, it might be fun to integrate some into eachothers backstories more. The order we do it in wouldn't matter much though, as long as we have an accurate discovery list.

I actually do have a question about Balthasar. Specifically his homeworld, Karach. We know the tech level is WWI England, but what is the state of the world? Is it all one nation? I ask, because right now it seems like all he did was overthrow his adoptive father, so a single country at best. Seems kind of unimpressive for a primarch like him, though we could just say the Emperor showed up before he had a chance to conquer the world.

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>>50463301

>>50463301
It could be interesting, as soon as we as the creators know exactly what is being redacted. If we simply neglect to give any info on thr guy because lolREDACTEDlol, I don't think that's interesting.

>>50463329
IDEA

We explain that information not on his page, but on the other primarchs. Explain him through there eyes, rather than an absolute.

Just an idea.

>>50463329
I think questions are fundamentally more interesting than answers

>>50463348
Concur. I also think ambiguity and the search for answers is inherently fun.

>>50463363
>>50463345
>>50463348
I get that and I don't nessecarily disagree. That would be true if you were an outsider reading this stuff. The problem is that we aren't outsiders, we're ones coming up with it. The reason these questions aren't interesting to me, is that there are no answers, because we've refused to answer them.
One of the biggest gripes I have with the OU is the two missing legions. Not because we don't know and I don't like the questions they raise, but because GW has made it perfectly clear that there are no answers.

Basically, for me it's impossible to consider something an interesting secret, if I know there are no answers.

>>50463400
Hence the solution of putting answers not on his page, but inside the others bios, histories, etc.

>>50463428
I get why you say that, and I think it could work. Personally, at that point, I say let's just write out his origin. Just the story of him being found in the hives and raised by Malcador.

>>50463317
I'd still like to hear some opinions about Karach.

Probably would have to wait until Alexios comes back.

I like the idea that its actually only a nation, rather than the world. Maybe a powerful nation, like British Empire type, but at the end of the day still one of many powers.

>>50463711
Right. So would that mean his first actual campaign is the conquering of Karach? Or would that task be given to one of his brothers, while Balthasar recieves his Imperium 101 course? Or would it be like the Dark Angels, where the legion conquers the planet while the primarch is taken to Terra? That last one would be a nice parallel between the first legions of IA and the OU.

>>50463756
Whatever it is, though, I think it all goes up in flames. It sounds like the empires of Karach all collapse as revolution spreads. Presumably Balthasar does some conquest and primarch stuff before revolution, but to some level I'm imagining that his proletariat uprising is contagious and before anyone quite knows what is happening, the entire planet is going nuts.

So depending on which way we want to take him, his first act is either to impose order over the mess he's made, which really sets him up as a someone with no loyalty, or he has his legion do it, which I suppose he could resent. That one seems weaker to me.
He could also support his legion in imposing order, giving them some advice before going off to Terra or something. Just so he's complicit in the action.

Maybe they pack him off to Terra and he's all I want to be on Karach.
Big E asks what he means and assured him that the people of Karach are safe.
Balthasar just looks at him funny and says no, idiot, I mean where the blood is.
Instead of raising red flags, E Money cracks up and basically says something to the effect of "you're exactly who I made you to be, aren't you."

>>50464750
I like the idea of him wanting to impose order himself first, but when he's gonna get dragged off he gets his legion to do it for him. He wants to do it himself, but he ultimately allows his sons to do it.

Do we have an equivalent of the Ullanor Campaign?

>>50466161
Yep, it's called the Ullanor Campaign. It's concurrent with when Sarco got boxed.

>>50466161
Ullanor happened just as before, except rather than Horus bigmclargehugeing his way through the orks, [REDACTED] broke their forces up into manageable chunks and cornered each chunk.

>>50463236
>>50463274
>>50463301
>>50463329
REDACTED is not good writing. I'm sorry. Look don't get me wrong, I get *why* its there but eventually it just reach the point where it come off as lazyness,

>>50466448
I'm pretty sure it's only supposed to appear in writing that simulates official documents, because those are the only sources that would write like that. Anecdotally, the Warmaster is known by many names, the most prevalent of which is "the Warmaster."

>>50466535
Like I said, I completely understand it from an in-universe perspective: the Warmaster is Big Brother. But given how much of our writings have focused on the Legion and Primarchs it make little sense, unless the Warmaster was really that secretive in which case his dynamic with the other Primarchs is presumably non-existent which would make everything a clusterfuck because it would mean that not only they have to deal with the Emperor's usual vagueness but also daddy's favorite being just as bad at not explaining things.

>>50466590
I agree completely.

>>50466661
Granted that COULD explain why the Imperium is so fragmented: it lacked a strong, central figure (either as brother, ally or enemy depending on the point in the timeline) in the Primarchs due to a highly secretive Warmaster.

It's worth mentioning that at some point we said that the Warmaster struck his own name from all his available records due to the power of true names or some shit. This doesn't explain why say, Engerand couldn't just come to Terra and banish him because he's just remember.

>>50466708
The fragmented Imperium is more because of the fundamental nature of Chaos. The Warmaster basically just let's his brothers do whatever, as long as they don't fuck the Imperium too hard and they heed his call when he needs them.

>>50466741
I think that's actually one of the reasons why the Warmaster hides himself away so much. He knows his remaining brothers know his name and the dangers that brings, so plays it as safe as he possibly can.

>>50466748
When I meant a fragmented Imperium I also included the various Crusader States. Anyway, I'm offering up the explanation that the secretive Warmaster did not help the Primarch relationships and ended up causing this level of separation even amongst the loyalist brothers. From his lore, the Warmaster seemingly ended up even closer to the Emperor than Horus did, having been found even earlier.

The potentially increased level of favoritism combined with his extremely cryptic nature could ultimately spell the doom for the Primarch as it would compliment the Emperor's aloofness *too well*, resulting in an even more aloof and mysterious Emperor with even less of a hand-on approach to his sons.

I've been meaning to ask, to what extent should Sarco communicate with his sons? I've said that he can sometimes talk to librarians etc., but how often should it happen and how much should he say?

>>50466807
I think it's partly due to that, but also the conflict between Xun and Alexios, and, to a lesser extent, the paranoia of the Mechanicum, who refuses to follow after the heresy.

Alone, any of their systems could work just fine, but they're stuck as interdependents.

>>50467106
Oh, and Anders. He's a rogue element who would always form a distinct faction.


>>50466771
>>50466590
I think one of the ideas in play is that he's got a public persona and is kind of like an Emperor Jr. It might make sense for him to have a few close friends and then be grandly distant with everyone else. I think his rivalry with Faustus keeps him out of certain circles.

>>50463756
>>50464750
Supporting these situations.

I feel like Balthasar's revolution should throw the nations of Karach into disarray, and he's trying to maintain some semblance of control over the proletariat uprising when the Emperor arrives. By this time, he's basically cracking down on peeps with the same bloody measures used by the aristocrats he's given the boot, and the revolution is very firmly set in its "blood in the streets of Paris" phase.

In a way, being shipped off to learn how to Imperium is a relief, as he doesn't have to deal with all these shit anymore. He can just let his legion beat everyone into their Emperor-determined shapes.

I think it's as early on as this that he starts to see a beauty in astartes that isn't present in humans. Getting humans to run their own revolution on Karach and forcing them to do it properly was like pulling teeth. But astartes are ordered, loyal, civilized, prizing communal ideals over personal pursuits and wants. They do in a matter of years what the people of Karach have been failing at for the majority of the planet's settled history - they whip it into shape, and do so without undue fuss. Like Kashaln, I can see Balthasar being pretty meh on normal humans, and really not into the idea that astartes are there to serve.

There was unease in the air. The kind of unease which precede a great change: a change grand and terrible, beautiful and terrifying. Lord Commander Farjad could feel it in his bones, crawling down his spine. 'They Shall Know No Fear', the Emperor of Mankind had decreed about his creation, the Astartes, but Farjad knew better: he knew deep down that unease and worry at an impending change can and does afflict even the most stalwart of Space Marines. He was a Terran Legionnaire, recruited at the beginning of the Great Crusade and amongst the first of the Fifteenth Legion, named 'The Few' at the time. Their monicker was easy to understand in origin: this Legion was small. Farjad had been one of the greatest hero of this small Legion which, he admittedly humbly, wasn't very much compared to the likes of the other Legions of Astartes. However, that time was coming to an end.

Their Primarch had been found. And it filled Farjad with conflicting emotions.

The Fifteenth Legion had spent nearly all of the Great Crusade in the shadow of other Legions as each recovered its Primarch and grew in size and renown. Farjad had accepted that such was the fate of 'his' Legion. His Legion. How strange that word seemed. How preposterous of him to claim the Legion belonged to him, a mere man. Yet as the Great Crusade had spread throughout the stars their Primarch had never manifested itself and Farjad had eventually accepted that he was the one to lead the Legion. That was a different era now, he thought, as he looked down at his repainted armor: gone was the grey with yellow trim, replaced by muted orange and light blue. The colors chosen by his Primarch.

>>50467480
His Primarch. Farjad loathed to admit it how much his Primarch filled him with unease. Briefly, he had felt overjoyed upon learning of the discover of the progenitor of his Legion. That joy was short-lived, as Anshul had failed to meet all the expectations of Farjad. For Anshul was a mutant. The Terran Legionnaire remembered his face contorting in ghastly horror upon seeing his progenitor for the first time: such a reaction would shame him for the rest of his life.

Following the recovery of Anshul, the Emperor of Mankind had decreed that the Legion would henceforth begin recruiting from the world upon which Anshul had landed. Dutiful and loyal, Farjad had obeyed his master’s command. The Fifthteenth Legion would be set aside from the Great Crusade and focus on building its numbers to later be deployed as a pacifying force. Yet Farjad could not shake his unease. Especially not now that he had been called by his Primarch.

The door to the Primarch’s chamber was guarded by Anshul’s newly-appointed bodyguards, the Kshatriya: they were amongst the first Ravanan Astartes. Their Primarch was already infamous for his dislike of the Terran Legionnaire and had proven all too eager to begin recruitment from his homeworld. Farjad didn’t like the Kshatriya, men with barely a fragment of his talent and training. Yet the Primarch trusted them over the trained, proven Terran Legionnaire. Another sign of the disconnect between the old Legion and its new Primarch.

The Chamber of the Primarch was spartan, despite its size. At the center was a pedestal of bare stone, upon which Anshul meditated for days on end. At the corner of the room, Farjad spotted water and bland food: the only nourishment his Primarch ever needed. For a brief moment, Farjad wondered if he wasn’t focusing on the food to avoid gazing at his Primarch. A Primarch whose voice broke his concentration...

>>50467493
“Lord Commander Farjad.” The voice said, melodious. The Terran Legionnaire had been in the presence of other Primarchs and was always shocked at how soft Anshul’s voice seemed by comparison.

“Yes my lord. I am here.” He replied, kneeling before the figure in long, flowing yet simple and bare robes. His mutated body was hidden beneath such robes, Farjad knew.The Astartes was unable to look at the face of his lord so he merely focused on the robes. “What is it you demand, my lord.”

“I have a simple question for you.” The Primarch simply said, gazing down at the kneeled form of the Lord Commander.

“You have but to ask, my lord.” How much Farjad dreaded this unknown question, he would never tell another soul.

One of Anshul’s long, spindly arm extended forward. “But first, look at me.”

No. Everything but that. That is what Farjad thought. Merely gazing at a Primarch was a vertiginous experience but gazing at Anshul was a completely different one. Yet he couldn’t disobey. When his eyes met those of the Primarch, Farjad felt his strength sapped away from him.

His face was like a statue. His features both beautiful and unnatural, which were furthered altered by the strange culture of Ravana and its barbaric and primitive beliefs. Piercings adorned the primarch’s nose and ears, the latter of which had unnaturally long ear lobes. His face was long, his eyes deep set within it and marked by long eyelash. His black hair pulled in a topknot. While his face was strange, it was his arms which revulsed Farjad: there were six of them in total, long and dextrous with thin elongated fingers ending in sharp nails.

“I simply ask you this one question, my son: do you trust me.” Anshul asked and Farjad knew he had to tell the truth.

“No my lord. I do not trust you.”

Btw, descriptions of Anshul the Resplendent are obviously inspired by descriptions of the Buddha and hindu deities.

Liking this so far.

Did anyone save the old description for Anshul, by the way? From back when we were putting them together for drawfag-kun? Was there one?

>>50468033
I haven't updated it in a while, but I guess I'll edit the entry for Anshul in the physical descriptions file. The only glaring difference is that I remember Anshul being bald.

I like this short little story. Are you going to continue it? Makes me wonder if Farjad is going to either die, make friends with his primarch, or break off and join the loyalists during the heresy.

>>50468094
>The only glaring difference is that I remember Anshul being bald.
Hm, maybe young!Anshul look more princely and chaos buddha Anshul look even more like an ascetic hermit? This story take place a few years after his discovery, as he's building up his Legion.

>>50457180
One of the things integrated into them early on was the idea that they didn't use rad and phosphex stuff, as it was too uncivilized for Anshul, but eventually they started deploying annihilator choruses.

Small squads of marines with relatively lesser psyker power trained to synchronize their abilities and serve the same purpose as destroyer squads (i.e. level everything).

>>50468094
>I like this short little story. Are you going to continue it? Makes me wonder if Farjad is going to either die, make friends with his primarch, or break off and join the loyalists during the heresy.
I believe I can expand somewhat on this scene a bit more. Farjad is supposed to be that kind of old Terra-style of Marine, loyal to the Emperor. The 15th Legion spent most of the Great Crusade without a Primarch, Anshul being in the last three found so I imagine the Legion spent a sizable part of its existence just used to be 'that-legion-without-a-primarch'.

I'm trying to make Anshul sympathetic and not just some religious nutbag (even if he'd, IMO, give Lorgar a run for his money in his own way). He's not a character I created, obviously, so I'm going off what people wrote for him: -He's a mutant.
-There is a very strong influence of his homeworld
-His legion end up very different from others.

And do I penned down the story of how the Terran Legionnaire and the Ravanan Marines (and Anshul) would be alienated from each others. Which would create, alongside other problems, a self-feeding loop of tragedy and mistrust which would help push the Legion to Chaos. Anshul, as written, is described (at least pre-Chaos) as a rather mellow spiritual man and philosopher which would clash with the war-like Terran Legionnaire as well as the other Primarch. A problem not helped by his blatantly mutated appearance.

>>50466590
>make everything a clusterfuck because it would mean that not only they have to deal with the Emperor's usual vagueness but also daddy's favorite being just as bad at not explaining things.

this sounds like a good thing to me.

>>50468890
It depend how you see it: I imagine for some Primarchs that would be infuriating.

>>50469054
I don't mean in-universe. I mean in terms of writing. Remember that IA, and 40k in general, is an intentionally shitty and poorly run universe. We're not writing a utopia, we're writing a distopia.

99.99% of people have never seen the Warmaster. The only people in the whole of the galaxy who EVER learn his name are his father and brothers. Even most of his brothers never see his face, for he moves about the universe in guises and masks and speaks most often through intermediaries. REDACTED didn't have his name removed from history; he never allowed it to be put in in the first place.

>>50469110
Ah, my bad, I misconstrued your reply. I completely agree.

>>50469110
So what was he called before being 'The Warmaster'? He need something to be addressed as even if it isn't his real, Emperor-given name (which would be unique to him). I propose the possible following 'names':
-Hashem
-Shen
-Arahman
-Arahim
-Parvardigar
-Hokurios
-Apocrypha
I'm sure the pattern is easy to notice.

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>>50469110
however I 100% agree there should be at least some semblance of information about him available on the wiki page. I mean, you can write/read about a mystery just as much as you can write/read about a fact, and a non-trivial amount of his life is known to us and to the universe. The key is to make him mysterious by giving SOME of the story. Share SOME details, but withhold others. Give the bones, but withold some of the meat.

LET'S TALK AND BRAINSTORM

>Born in Alba before unification
>Last and greatest terran Warlord to submit
>Secretive and sneaky even from the beginning
>Malcador sends dozens of spies/assasins but they all disappear
>One day when Malcador is in bed, the man he thought was his doorman reveals himself to be REDACTED
>It's just a fuckin little boy he's like 8 wtf.jpg
>Malcador expects to be assasinated but instead they talk at length about the future and the nature of good rulership
>Boy swears fealty to the Emperor and brings Alba Hives into the fold
>Terra is united
>Emperor meets his first son and assigns Malcador as his tutor
>Malcador teaches him to refine the skills he developed naturally
>Master fuckin assasin
>Master fuckin statesman
>Warmaster gets old enough that Emperor declares him an adult
>Tells him his first real assignment is to conquer the moon

>>50469380
forgot muh name not that it matters much

>>50469358
I think we should avoid any names and ONLY give him titles.

The Heir?

>>50469397
>The Heir?
Interesting. And likely to piss off every other Primarch. Which is good.

Okay, new idea: members of the Eyes of the Warmaster (what were their names before, anyway) don't have names either. Either only a title, an epithet or maybe just a number.

>>50464750
I dont think its disloyal to see something getting out of hand and wanting to impose order.

>>50468446
Grest writefaggotry. Spindly arms werent something i envisioned but in my minds eye does seem more feasible than 6 primarch or even astartes tier arms.

>>50469989
>Spindly arms werent something i envisioned but in my minds eye does seem more feasible than 6 primarch or even astartes tier arms.
Well I imagine them (and Anshul in general) as thinner than these huge slabs of beefy muscles you'd see on Astartes. Being a Primarch he is, obviously, a giant but I imagine him being much leaner than his brothers. More wiry and lean muscles, with almost no body fat (partially because he's more ascetic) than bulky. His arms can still probably crush an ordinary human with but a few fingers, they're just probably weaker and thinner by Astartes standards. Combined with the extra grip and presumably his ability to coordinate them he's still most likely dangerous as all hell in melee combat.

>>50469380
Alternatively

>unification
>last and greateat warlord still opposing
>he gets killed, a raid or some such
>DECOYS
>this time he is assassinate
>seemingly fails
>attempt at capture
>fails
>Malcador is sent to meet this impossibly fucking resilient warlord
>during the meeting he senses that the guy is a buffoon.
>starts scrying the area. Somethings off.
>finds that the captain of the guard and the warlord occassionally glance and/or think about the cupbearer.
>weird
>leaves
>negotiations round two.
>tests his hypothesis. The kid is important somehow.
>leaves again
>kid sneaks into his room
>"howd you figure it out"
>IM LITERALLY MAGIC
>also how the fuck are you in charge here. Youre a kid.
From there everything as you say.

It leaves a bit of room for Malcador to remain a boss tier spy and psyker whilst showing the Warmaster was always ruling from behind puppets. It also shows that while he is naturally inclined to it he still has more to learn.

>>50469868
I dont think there was a point where they didnt have a primarch. He was found almost immediately and the legions themselves were still being built up / organised.

>>50467741
“No my lord. I do not trust you.”

With balls and integrity of steel Raydon would be not be opposed to poaching this dude. Sounds like a top bloke.

>>50470356
>Lord Commander Farjad
He's got a description on the wiki page for the Arms of Asura:
>A Terran Legionnaire native to the Achaemenid Empire and the Lord Commander of the First Chapter at the time of the Legion's reorganization. A staunch and loyal supporter of the Emperor of Mankind, Farjad was a no-nonsense and honest man used to leading the 15th Legion in the absence of their missing Primarch.

>>50470030
This is something I envisaged for Anshul when I was first thinking about how the AoA's Primarch should look. He's got Vedic prince features - he's not BUUULKED, but rather, his multiple arms are wrapped in lean, long muscle.

The other thing I imagine was that he's pale to the point of being almost luminous. His hair, his skin, even his eyes are white. The only colours on him are his adornments - his wide, lapis earrings, his gold-trimed robes, the red paints he wears under his eyes and upon his forehead, etc. The idea was that he should look distinctly unreal, like the stuff he's wearing has more substance than the Primarch himself.

>>50470666
I can make some corrections to the story before it goes on the wiki anyway and I don't mind changing a few details to match the established fluff for Anshul which I might have missed.

>>50470666
>>50470711
Oh I forgot: Daemon Prince Anshul should totally look like a legit Asura, with bright skin, flaming eyebrows, tusks and a halo of fire.

>>50470629
Awesome. This is the first ive heard of him. Keen to see more.

>>50470356
>>50469868
Before REDACTED became warmaster, they were the Eyes of the Spymaster, I believe.

>>50470727
IIRC he's glowy and blue as a daemon prince, yeah? With a constantly changing multitude of arms?

Are there any Legion specifically aligned to certain chaos gods? I imagine Bloodhounds are Khornate but beyond that I can't seem to find all that much info.

>>50472172
Bloodhounds - Khorne
Behemoth Guard -Tzeentch
Second Sons - Nurgle
Silver Spears - Tzeentch
Warp Raiders - Malal

>>50472194
>Silver Spears - Tzeentch
*Slaanesh, obviously

>>50472194
Do we have a before/after pic of the Legion's looks?

>>50472213
And some members of the behemoth guard might worship Hashut.

>>50472327
>including Squat gods without including Squats

>>50472365
>Chaos dwarves
>real dwarves
Pick one.

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>>50472951
I CHOOSE BOTH

>>50472951
I choose neither!

>>50466863
Bump

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My attempt to writefag >>50470301

http://pastebin.com/2ZUDfrAR

pls read

>>50470301
I like this a lot.

>>50469358
I quite like Hashem and Apocryphon. Melek or Melok would also work. Kol-El. Penumelek. Actually, Malach or Melach would have a nice set of resonances, punning on Melek, king, Malach, messenger, angel, and Molek, a type of human sacrifice cf. The Carthaginian molk baal.

Hashem Malach would come out to the name of the king.

>>50469397
This can be used as a title, The Maloch, The Heir, The Prince of This World.

>>50470666
Legit. Satan approves.
But also works very nicely if he's built like an Indian sculpture, just to draw that contrast with someone like Aodhan.

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>>50467480
>>50467493
>>50467741
high quality writefagging :ok_hand: :100:

Anshul comes off as unsettling and strange. I like it.

>>50467258
also i like this post.

>>50475576
I was channeling the audiobooks versions of the HH novels written by Graham McNeill, especially False Gods and A Thousand Sons. I'm sure if you read them in a Martin Ellis impersonation it would totally work.

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>>50475457

>>50475457
I like it. It never occurred to me that he might hold sway over the ruling council without them even knowing it.

My first thought was of a council, ruled by a secret leader that only the council knew of, and then have that leader a puppet for him.

So it comes down to I guess is do we want him to be ruling the hive, or just have a secret yet strong influence over its rulers?

>>50462455
Fist guy here, just wanted to comment on this with a reminder that the void dragon was released by marcus accidentally when he ordered mars cracked. Specifically while dying on a transport ship away from the losing battle for mars he orders all heretical martain controlled worlds exterminatus'd fearing what Gengrat would do with the mechanics facilitys and choosing death over corruption

>>50479147
I like this, though idea: rather than order exterminatus I put forward he orders emergency self-destruct protocols activated at key facilities.

The idea of having a force capable of conducting exterminus in orbit and yet somehow losing the planet anyway is a bit of a disconnect for me.

>>50479147
>>50479251
That is a much better idea, although i ment that exterminatus orders go to a bunch of planets rather than just mars

>>50479838
Yeah I figured it was applied to multiple planets, but in any case, if the state of affairs is so dire that such an order needs to be given, it isn't a situation where an exterminatus fleet would be nearby.

Factory overloads and energy failures seems like a better way all round. Especially because it gives the dark mech a way to salvage/mitigate the damage dealt. Whilst still leading to unforseen side effects such as the Void Dragon

>>50479917
i love it

>>50482178
I hate bump culture, at least ask a question or add to the conversation somehow

>>50482474
I asked a question a while back but never got an answer. Also it looks like we're at bump limit now so you won't have to worry about that until next thread.

So, we've figured out Balthasar's origin pretty much.

Raydon and Marcus' are pretty fully fleshed out, so, next up would be Kashaln.

Where did Kashaln land?

>>50483078
There's nothing about it on the wiki, and I can't remember what we said before. Shall we do the time honored tradition of making it up?

>>50483341
I vote for the name Tam Golge; any other suggestions?

>>50483653
Issyk? Saarosh? Siroza? Vahram?

I think, more important than the name, is what the planet is like.

We know Kashaln was a warlord in his youth. Military discipline and martial excellence are important to him, as is the idea of a martial master class that both defends and rules all other castes. So where and how did he come by these ideas?

>>50484202
I kind of got the feeling that it was vaguely indian, like Anshul's homeworld, and this is where he got his idea of a distinct warrior caste from.

>>50484274
Or castes in general.

>>50484202
>>50484274
>Military discipline and martial excellence are important to him, as is the idea of a martial master class that both defends and rules all other castes. So where and how did he come by these ideas?
>I kind of got the feeling that it was vaguely indian, like Anshul's homeworld, and this is where he got his idea of a distinct warrior caste from.
How about also drawing inspiration from the samurai, as well as non-Indian caste-based societies such as ancient Nepal, Iran or even some African tribes?

>>50484274
>>50484294
>>50484407
The two cultural 'feels' I get from the Spears are definitely Iranian and Greek.

Daemon prince Kashaln actually looks like an Iranian demon from Kashalnanon's appearance (though, due to overlapping influences in that area of the world, he also looks like a vedic demon).

So, do we think his world was humid and extremely lush? I'm imagining a hot greenhouse world full of steep cliffs, twisting rivers and broad-twisting trees.

>>50484795
>>50484795
>>50484795

New thread boys.