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Star Trek Adventures rules. Kindly shared by an Anon from the previous thread.

>>50383684
I've just had a quick look through it. Overall, it seems fine. I've no great experience with d20 ruled games so I can't tell if the set up is good or bad. The one thing that worries me is the Empathy Attribute. Empathy is surely something that the player should bring to the table, rather than a definable number.

Or am I nit-picking?

>>50383815
Maybe? It seems like the trait is a stand in for sanity. It's mainly centered around medical and counseling traits.

I get your point though. It seems like the kind of thing that could lead to sloppy story telling, i.e: the GM telling you how to feel via an attribute, rather than engaging you in the Narrative.

It's too early to say, at this point. Gonna have to wait until someone goes out and plays a few games before we get proper feedback. I'm unlikely to get the chance myself but if anyone else has a group handy, then I encourage you to try it out and then report back here.

>>50382239
A few of those scenes weren't even in the original episode. For instance Sisko's interaction with Kirk was a repurposed scene from the Alternate Universe episode.

In which case, is it better to cut those out, or keep them in, for completionist sake?

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>>50384122
>TFW watching Balance of Power
Talking of the Fed/Romulan war that was fought a century ago from their time. When they fought with nukes at beyond visual range and don't even know what the other side even looks like. Fought with very primitive ships.
Why couldn't ENT had an arc like that or been more old school like what TOS says that time was like? I don't know about you but I would have preferred that than what we did get with all the time fuckery.

>>50384536
Because the producer loved Voyager and Time Travel and wanted to make a Voyager/Quantum Leap crossover fanfiction but also wanted to make a prequel because Star Wars did it and that's the thing to do. And what better way to do a prequel that's just a shitty fanfiction of another property than to butcher all canon that had been consistent across three series and multiple movies.

>>50384122
Pretty sure they mean edited into the background of scenes they were in, so stuff like the Sisko one wouldn't be in there.

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>>50384559
>TFW when you wish you had a time machine and could travel to a time before the ENT started and land on that one producer.
You know sometimes not getting something is better than getting someone's crap fanfiction made.

>>50383684
Anything else released yet?

>>50384661
id rather it crush the guy who killed the idea of having a star trek themed casino in vegas

it would've been inside a model of the enterprise

>>50383951
>>50383815
It sounds like empathy covers interpersonal skills that aren't covered by Presence. Guessing other people's motives, providing effective psychotherapy, negotiating with an eye for what the other person is likely to actually accept, etc. It doesn't dictate what a character feels. You could say that it technically isn't empathy but more like theory of mind.

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>>50383684
What seems like a problem to me is how fiddly the momentum/threat system is. You can get extra dice both by spending momentum (which you can rack up very quickly by rolling dice for relatively inconsequential tasks) or by adding threat (which is kind of weak as far as the range and strength of things it can do.) And you can do these things after you see the results of your initial roll, so you never happen to do it when it turned out you didn't need it. Seems like a system where it's nigh-impossible for the PCs to fail at anything.

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>>50385722
>Seems like a system where it's nigh-impossible for the PCs to fail at anything.
>I think that's kind of the point of Trek right?
If you are Fed pc's you are supposed to win.

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Emergency power to forward BUMPers!

>>50385869
All the same, a game needs to be challenging, otherwise it's dull. Most people I know, that /ttrpg/, would say that their best experiences in the genre were when they failed catastrophically, because it made for a good story to tell, after the fact.

>>50387148
That reminds me, if anybody wants a ship from STO done up in this art style then just get a screenshot of it, post it here and I'll do the rest.

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So what's your opinion on Star Fleet using fighters in large battle or in the federation in general?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB04p5TgZX8
I like fighter battles in general in sci-fi but does it feel wrong for the Feds to use piloted fighters knowing they will have a high death rate in battle? I mean in something like Battle fleet Gothic it is kind of the norm and you expect losses in your fighter and bombers crews since that's the tone of the setting. So does being a fighter pilot in Star Fleet that's going to die soon work in a UFP ideal utopia? I mean I could buy 'banzai' minded pilots for other space empires but the UFP people seem too candied assed to really be that gung-ho for the idea.

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>>50387928
I figure they really only came about as a result of high-attrition wars like the Dominion war. You look at the battles we're shown, where every second starship is torn apart, with all hands. Maybe those fighters were a cynical roll of the dice. By concentrating enemy weapons fire on single-ships, they increase the survivability of Miranda Class ships, with crews of 200, or Galaxy class ships, 800-1000. Maybe Starfleet command made the call that a few dozen dead pilots is still better than losing a starship.

Just a thought.

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>>50387922
Could you touch up this one?

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>>50387922
>a ship from STO done up in this art style
Well, since you offered anon I hope you can do something with this pic. Thanks :D

>>50387983
Sure thing. Just give me about 30 minutes.

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>>50387991
Thanks anon, once you have made that one and this one >>50387987
could you also add this to your backlog?

>>50387928
Fighter craft like what we normally think of feel horribly outclassed in Star Trek when you have the equivalent of full warships that can dogfight at warp speeds with full scale weapons. There is the Defiant class on the fed side, Birds of Prey on the romulan and klingon sides, the standard Jem Hadar Bug, the closest thing to a fighter is the Peregrine and that's a full starship modified to be a gunship that can still have a full crew if you pack up and go long range and do maintenance on the way.

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>>50388030
And here's one more.
Sorry for over working you.

Working on the lot of them right now


>>50388030
With regard to this one, would you prefer to keep the detail of the planet in? Or would you prefer a closer profile shot of the Archon?

>>50388072
Id prefer a more detailed Archon, it wont matter too much if the planet is just a blob on the background.

>>50388072
Also, in regards to the pics i took, would you prefer if i tried taking pics where hull is lit up instead of being mostly in shadow?

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>>50388086
I can work with either, if you want high colouration detail then you'll need a shot of it in sunlight like pic related

>>50388108
K, i try to remember it in the future, but if wont be absolutely detrimental to your work then i wont take new pics to replace those older ones.

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>>50387983
There's the first, hope it's to your liking.

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>>50387987
And there's the second.

>>50388146
Cheers anon, looking great!

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>>50388038
Will put this one up first, as it was the much quicker job.

>>50388175
Thanks anon, nice job!

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>>50388030
And there's "d'udder one"

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>>50388336
Thanks again anon, you are doing great work.

>>50388336
maybe later on i'll give ya a KDF picture cause this fed love has to end

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>>50388424
I'd appreciate that, actually. My KDF portfolio is heavily lacking. I have a few screen grabs from the shows and films, like pic related but I've never really played a Klingon character in STO so I have few images to work off.

Romulans welcome, too.

>>50388441
will have to wait after work, see ya in like 10 hours!

>>50385722
I'm flipping through the doc now; personally, I'd houserule it that you either can't roll or don't get Momentum on a DC 0 check, unless said check happens to be plot-important.

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>>50388506
Fair enough. I'll do some digging on my own, as well.

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>>50389032
I think i got one or two images, posting them now.

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>>50389063
I think that's all i got.

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>>50389054
Interesting, I thought the Solanae sphere background might have screwed with the lighting and details but it seems to work out just fine.

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>>50389063
Of the 3, this is the one that feels most Klingon to me.

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>>50389075
So this is the same ship but I'm guessing it's got a different skin?

>>50389184
Yeah, this is the T5 version of Bortasqu, while the one above it is the newer T6 version.

>>50385033
I think that's it for the moment. They have a couple of images of the character models you can buy with the game but they look fairly threadbare so far.

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>>50384536
*Balance of Terror
*Without visual communication with the Romulans, as they were able to close enough for Lt Stiles to recount that the ship would be recognisable by the bird painted on it.
/pedant

Enterprise was definitely building toward the Romulan war but yeah, they'd screwed the pooch with failing to actually define ENT as a more primitive tech era fully and failing to take advantage of that given they were still running the same old fight scenes counting off not-shield percents and so on. And having a transporter that worked on people. And driving to Qo'noS in a few days rather than months, and quickly relegating their translator character to pointless.

Basically it's all Rick Bermans's fault for being a play-it-safe cunt. And just being a cunt in general as well.

>>50389583
UPN were apparently nightmarish to work with though.

They had all sorts of insane notions like having a live band in the mess-hall each week.

Berman was no saint, but things could have been much, much worse.

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And, this is it for playtest materials so far.

>>50388678
It also seems important to houserule that every player at the table can't make the same check independently (like every player walking into a room and rolling Perception, or everyone rolling some kind of knowledge skill to see who knows a thing.) That would result in a permanently maxed-out momentum gauge. Instead, you have to either designate a single player to make the check or use the rules for combining efforts on a single check if that makes more sense.

>>50389054
>>50389063
>>50389075
Man, I really don't like the look of the STO klingon designs. There's something off about them. They're too bulbous.

>>50391511
A lot of their designs don't really get the design ethos from the faction it's for. The Federation designs have a problem with nacelles and saucers being shaped terribly, the Romulan ships dispense with the bird motif except in the blandest sense, and the Klingon ships trade clean lines for blocks or bulges.

>>50391591
When STO started out most of the new Klingon ships were unused designs from the show and everyone was looking forward to a continuation of that.

...then they started using exclusively original designs and even dumped some of the fed designs.

>>50391924
A fair few of the early designs had been in other video games too

>>50391591
>A lot of their designs don't really get the design ethos from the faction it's for.
What? The only faction that has a canon design "ethos" would be Starfleet, and that's basically "saucer" + long-ish nacelles. All else is optional. Klingons were head+neck+body+wings off body+something on end of wings (nacelles, or guns with bops). That's it. And even then there are only six original examples to work from (D7 (TOS), BoP (movies), Vor'cha (TNG), Negh'var (TNG), Raptor (ENT), and D-5 (ENT)), and a few derivative variants.
Now, you can argue about the aesthetics of any individual ship all you want. That's subjective taste. But as far as STO is concerned, they fit.
>the Romulan ships dispense with the bird motif except in the blandest sense
u wot? If anything, the STO Rom ships go full-hog on the bird thing, to the point of almost being silly. The ones least like birds are the ones that are clearly design derivatives of canon ships (mostly the D'D).
> the Klingon ships trade clean lines for blocks or bulges
Like all the non-D7 ships in canon?

So after a cursory read-through, it looks like they're aiming for a point somewhere between Fate and FFG for storytelling, but without the proprietary dice.

No one tell them about the proprietary dice. CBS will demand it for a few more pennies and manage to fuck things up.

>>50394493
It's all based off of Modiphius' pre existing d20 system, no?

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>>50384536
The distance/speed scale in ENT is irreprably fucked. I think they could have made the conflict into a submarine war, as described in Balance of Terror, with a little creative thinking.

So the Romulans used those "droneships" as a test run for a holographic shadow fleet. What if this was their first attempt at mass-disseminated stealth tech. Nothing as fancy as a proper cloaking device, mind you.

>but nebbie, we already saw 2 cloaked warbirds in that minefield episode
Yes we did. And it was a dumb move on the producers part. However, in the spirit of patching plot holes with duct tape, my theory encompasses this instance too.

They were using a primitive "visual cloak". Essentially an early version of the hollow emitters used on the drone ships that creates a bubble of ambient starfield effects around the ship. As we see in the episode, even the inadvanced Terran crew were able to easily detect the ships using a probe. So, unlike the proper cloaking device seen in BoT, this is a simple visual trick, good for an ambush but not much else. At warp or impulse, the ship would be easily detectable.

So the Imperial Navy tried a new tactic. If they can't hide the ship, maybe they can make it look like something it's not. Hence their prototype holo-tech gets rigged up to a few older ships and they try to spook the nascent interplanetary alliance between Earth, Andoria, Vulcan and Tellar.

Cont...

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>>50397470
Things go poorly, and the imitation strategy is dropped in place of a new, more aggressive plan. The Imperial Navy decided to go after the Humans directly, attacking their ships in lightning strikes. They throw overwhelming force at the Human fleets, striking directly for Earth

At first, the disorganised United Earth Government is slow to respond. Starfleet bears the brunt of this assault, using their Intrepid and Columbia class vessels to slow down the Romulan advance. The Terran Military has ships, but not with the same sort of firepower that Starfleet can amass. Most of their vessels, like the Franklin are hand-me-downs from the NX, NC and NV programs, armed primarily with nuclear spatial torpedoes. Some of their older ships are still sporting lasers. They outfit these vessels with phase cannons asap and start throwing them at the enemy.

Only a few months into the war, the Romulans are at the edge of Sol, preparing an attack into the system itself. The decisive confrontation occurs near Pluto's orbit. The Romulans have the technical advantage but they've expanded too quickly, putting stress on their supply lines and maintenance crew. In the end, Human numbers win the day and the Imperial spear-thrust is shattered.

Once again, the IN changes leadership. The failed holo-tech is revived and repurposed. With the fleet depleted and Earth fully mobilised for war, they need to adopt a more evasive approach. Ships are outfitted with the newer holo emitters, however they will not be emulating other ships. The humans have already figured that trick out. Instead, they will use the "visual cloak" technique.

By keeping energy emissions low, and by sticking to low warp (1-3) they can generally stay off Starfleet sensors. The Imperial Navy operate a cat and mouse war, slowly giving ground to their enemy. Most human ships still can't manage anything above warp 3, so the entire conflict is a slow, quiet war.

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>>50397495
Hence the submarine vibe. I think this is the closest compromise I can manage whilst keeping both TOS and ENT intact as parts of the canon. The problem is that, an essentially throwaway line in BoT regarding the technical level of both species at the time of the war, hugely limits how the war was meant to play out. Star Trek is riddled with these types of statement, meant to move the story along, but then suddenly becoming an integral piece of canon, years down the road.


And as always, I'm sure there's a novel out there that shits all over my theory, but I haven't read it... so make of that what you will

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>>50397470
>>50397495
>>50397582
See you get the idea, this should have been major arc in ENT. Not the Xindi shit that like took up 2 seasons to resolve. It was stupid to make them such a major thing in ENT since they seem brand new to the trek setting. And they were 5 races in one I think someone their weird aliens numbers higher in ENT and didn't like having it done in a more measured way. The makers of ENT should have went for a more fleshing out of the old known races in Trek more. I like that they tried to do with the Vulcans and Andorians but no in the way they did it most of the time. And the conflicts with the Klingons and Romulans should have become much more major issues as the show progressed because of the humans expanding toward both their domains. It should have been much more cold war than hot war than it was.

Seems like a Star Trek RPG would rely more on the storytelling aspect than the combat or mechanics, no?

>>50400788
Well, if you have ever watched a Trek series, it was always more about the moral or lesson in the episode than how they went about doing it. So as long as you had fun as a pc then it's all good, right? I mean since deus ex solutions are so numerous it makes stats somewhat meaningless at times.

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>Borg have energy shields which make energy weapons useless after few shots
>Nobody has considered arming navy men with melee weapons and training them in anti borg warfare

>>50402993
Well yes, because if the Borg touch you at all, you're fucked. Nanoprobes son.

>>50403070
Were you planning on fighting them with daggers?

>>50402993
I have 2 words for you. Harpoon Guns.

>>50398772
>LC-01 Zumwalt

>>50402993
>Nobody has considered arming navy men with melee weapons and training them in anti borg warfare
what about just using mass-drivers instead of energy weapons?

>>50384536
>or been more old school like what TOS says that time was like?

Because according to TOS the era didn't even have viewscreen technology, this despite the fact that we've had viewscreen technology since the 1940s.

Science marched on, basically. We were much more advanced in 2001 then TOS had thought we were going to be. Showing the 2100s as being behind us in many areas would have simply been jarring to the average viewer.

As well, the point of Star Trek is exploration, not submarine warfare.

>>50397470
>he distance/speed scale in ENT is irreprably fucked

Eh, actually outside of the pilot episode ENT does a better job sticking to the stated warp scale than any other Trek series. They were using the TOS scale and stuck pretty close to it throughout.

>And it was a dumb move on the producers part.

It just told me that Future Guy was probably a Romulan. I was looking forward to that.

>>50398772
>Not the Xindi shit that like took up 2 seasons to resolve

It took 1 season. Well, and the last episode of the previous season.

>since they seem brand new to the trek setting

...okay, I'm going to call this one out now.

Tell me everything that is canonically known about Alpha Centauri and Tellar, two founding members of the Federation whom you would think would be incredibly important to it. Now, note I said "canonically", so this means "things that were stated in the show or movies". For our purposes you can include The Animated Series if you like.

$5 says that whatever you can write up will come up to 2,000 words or less. Despite, again, Alpha Centauri and Tellar being founding members of the Federation, and Alpha Centauri furthermore being an Earth colony world founded by pre-warp/early warp sleeper vessels in canon, something that would be great to know more about.

The fact that the Xindi don't come up much in TOS or later series never bothered me despite how important they were in ENT. Because TOS takes place a hundred years later and a lot of stuff has happened in the meantime.

Sci-fi fans have no sense of time.

>It should have been much more cold war than hot war than it was.

Wel maybe if it hadn't been cancelled in its friggin' 4th season, it would have been. The Romulan War was obviously going to be the major thing for later seasons, but the fans fucked it up by not supporting the show.

THERE WAS GOING TO BE A SEASON 5 KZINTI EPISODE FOR FUCK'S SAKE. AS WELL AS THE ORIGIN STORY FOR THE KOBAYASHI MARU.

...

...damnit, I'm STILL mad at Trekkies. Christ, I am a real life version of Krall from Star Trek Beyond.

>>50404734
>It just told me that Future Guy was probably a Romulan. I was looking forward to that.

Ooh that would have been good actually.

>>50404734
>It just told me that Future Guy was probably a Romulan. I was looking forward to that.
Time traveling part Romulan, Suliban and Tandaran. He did recruit extensively from the Romulan people though. Personally, the coolest thing that character ever did happened only when he managed to completely erase someone from history without actually altering the timeline bar that character.

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>>50404881
The Romulans had cloaking tech 100 years early, Future Guy explicitly gave cloaking technology to the Suliban, the Romulans would have a vested interest in altering the events of the Earth-Romulan War, and Future Guy always looked like he had fairly robust shoulders.

I thought it was obvious.

>>50404937
Ugh Futureguy, just seeing the image triggers some sorta DEYTURKAJERBS style rage for me.

>>50404937
Romulans weren't properly explored till a season after they dropped futureguy and the majority of the temporal Cold War bullshit. As far as I know, Berman and Braga never discussed what his intended identity was going to be. And I don't have enough faith in either of them to think that the Romulan cloaking screw up was anything other than lazy writing.

>>50405026
Anything to do with the suliban has that effect on me desu

What do you consider to be the best space combat system for a a Star Trek game? Doesn't have to be from one of the official systems, or even an RPG, just which game do you think captures combat in star trek between ships best?

I've been pondering the Earth-Romulan war, am wondering if there's a decent way to make fighting it be interesting when it's supposedly mostly missile spam across vast distances, but there's also room for the kinda up-close lasers-to-the-face fighting.

>>50402993
Yes, let's train everyone in sword-fighting (something that took people years of dedicated study to learn) for that very rare chance of having the Borg show up.
>but we'll just have a special anti-borg swordsman unit
The Borg show up whenever and generally btfo of anyone that isn't a hero ship immediately. By the time your unit got to the Borg it was already too late.
It would be a good defense, in the sense of convincing the Borg your civilization wasn't worth assimilating. If it ever became a serious issue, I'm sure the Borg could change their shields to also exclude matter. A bog-standard forcefield would put an end to any melee monkey business.

>>50408237
>Yes, let's train everyone in sword-fighting

Honestly, given the amount of time redshirts have to fill, and the amount of times we've seen things reduced to brawling or sword fights, it's not a bad idea.

>>50408702
They could do it for the xenoantropologists. They might have to fight primitives while on missions. We could just put them in the anti-borg units.

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>>50402993
They're called Klingons.

>>50404817
>the fans fucked it up by not supporting the show

>implying it's the fans' fault for not liking a shitty TV show
>damn those fans and their not liking things they don't like, they should like what I tell them to like because reasons damnit

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>>50404817

>why didn't fans support ENT? It was going to get better!

Well, maybe it should have been good initially, rather than being the blandest take on Trek yet. They could have written likable or least interesting characters. Instead we got:

>genocidal doctor with alternative medicine who is quirky and walks around naked
>bimbo vulcan
>"I've been in SPACE!" Mayweather
>Non-entity asian chick
>The Idiotic Adventures of Catfish and Banjos
>Lt. "Kill them all and let the Queen sort them out" Reed
>Captain "The vulcans are behind this!" Fuckface

Don't get me wrong, I like certain things about ENT, like Shran and even Reed, and the occasional episode, but ENT was wishy washy on all of its moral points, trying to tread the line of "there needs to be some order out here!" and "Archer is always right".

It doesn't help that they just threw out the inconveniences of the pre-TOS setting, damn consistency or themes.

More egregious though is that ENT was intellectually insulting in more than one episode, where Archer can condemn the scavenging piratical nature of a species one week, and then turn around and do the exact same thing to another species a few weeks down the line without ever acknowledging that he might have been wrong about the previous encounter, or even that he is wrong, but sometimes one has to make wrong, unethical decisions to pursue one's duty.

Or how about the episode where he protests the torture and murder of a captured nausicaan pirate in a situation where there are no authorities to speak of to intervene against said pirates or guarantee the rights of prisoners after they have intervened. It's just "Archer is right because he said so!" and the spacers are wrong.

Seriously, fuck ENT. Fuck the writers. Fuck the producers. It was heading in the right direction by the end, but it was all the bad choices in the beginning and the road there that turned away the audience.

>>50384536
I've heard a theory which says that ENT, and by extension Abrams Trek, take place in an alternate timeline created by the assorted dicking around with time travel.

>>50410004
Yep, I posted that here. I can repost it if you want.

>>50410061
Please do, Anon.

>>50410128
Some of it's headcanon, like the disappearance of the Alpha Centauran people and the Augment Virus, as well as things like Khan working for Section 31 because reasons.

>Enterprise Timeline Creation
The Enterprise timeline is formed due to the distinct involvement of the crew of the USS Enterprise-E, albeit intentionally. Their assistance with Zefram Cochrane's warp engine results in a drive that is somewhat more advanced than the original design, reaching a top speed of Warp 1.5. The refinements in warp field theory from this event, as well as the inadvertent recovery of a partially dissassembled phaser pistol and tricorder result in a United Earth jumping forward decades in virtually all facets of technology. Later examination by the Department of Temporal Investigations results in 3 engineers from the Enterprise-E receiving official reprimands from the agency for irreparably harming the timeline in the "main" timeline.
(TCW Note: Originally a native of Alpha Centauri, Temporal combat removes the AlphaCent people from this timeline, but Cochrane still exists. This immediate divergence renders a lot of history as the crew know it defunct, in a direct tie to the old canon of an Alpha Centauri people and a Zefram Cochrane of that planet.)

>Klingon Relations:
This advancement of technology alters the course of events in relation to Klingon/Human First Contact, due to an inter House war over rumors of a technologically advanced species working with the Vulcans. This leads to a Klingon getting lost in transit and crashing on Earth (TCW Note: or the involvement of Temporal Agents). The Klingon Empire begins efforts to infilitrate Terran and Vulcan holdings to steal technological advances.

>>50410188
>cont 2/?

Now, there are two main divergences here from the involvement of the Enterprise E. The first is that the Augment Virus was never deployed to the Klingon Empire, and the Klingons as we knew them in TOS are merely the limitations of 1960s special effects and budgeting. Instead, the Klingon Empire of the 2200s recognizes that the Federation is a foe that cannot be defeated through mere force of arms, and turns to cunning to keep the Federation on the backfoot. This is my headcanon for "our" timeline, with the loss of Praxis and the resulting peace treaty pushing the Klingons into a cultural ennui that they have not recovered from by the 2370s, with the cunning Klingons of decades past tossed aside due to a perceived lack of skill from the aforementioned treaty.

The other divergence in the Enterprise/JJ Trek Timeline sees the Augment Virus deployed, but the technology to resolve the issue (among others) is stolen from the Federation, resulting in an Augment Virus cured by 2215. The other prime technology stolen by the Klingons is a more robust mining system, designed for planets in the 2300s that were difficult to mine. This technology's overuse by the Empire destroys Praxis almost 60 years ahead of the "Prime" timeline, with the moon detonating in 2231.
>cont

>>50410206
>cont 3/4
>Romulan Relations:
The Romulans have an easier time of infiltrating the United Earth/Vulcan societies, gaining the technology for their cloaking devices and other equipment much earlier. Though neither the Klingons or Romulans reveal any sort of history for their people, the Romulans suspect there's more here at work (TCW Note: The Romulans are alerted to the Hobus Supernova in this timeline by a Temporal Agent working to ensure his own RSE headed agency still exists). The Romulan/Earth War proceeds pretty much as written, though the more advanced technology on both sides results in much greater devastation. (Temporal Agents on all sides are bewildered by the fact that even with the better tech, the Romulans' identity still remains a secret until the 2260s)

>Narada Incident:
The Borg drones that were discovered by Jonathan Archer's Enterprise confirmed all of the historical data Starfleet had gleaned from the damaged tricorder, later prompting the Federation to collectively panic upon the appearance of the Narada in 2233. With an unclear motive for the (believed to be) Borg ship's appearance, as well as the near death of James T. Kirk before his birth, the Federation Council near unanimously (Sarek of Vulcan the only abstaining vote) enacted the CASE BLACK protocols developed in case of Borg incursion, releasing swathes of refined technology into Starfleet's hands, as well as historical records to Section 31 and Alexander Marcus, resulting in Khan Noonien Singh's discovery later.

The advanced technology applied by Starfleet took decades to refine and employ properly, pushing the planned deployment of the Constitution class back years, with the USS Constitution launching in 2251. Meanwhile, Section 31 decided to begin gathering shipwrights and resources to build their own vessel, culminating in the launch of the USS Vengeance in 2259.
>cont.

>>50410223
>cont 4/4
Finally, the reappearance of the Narada and the destruction of Vulcan in 2258 have created an existential crisis that has largely crippled any Temporal Cold War efforts in this timeline, as a full third of the belligerents were wiped from existence by that act.

It's not as tidy as I'd like, but that's more because I made it for an RPG, rather than any real headcanon. My players were playing some Department of Temporal Investigations characters, and they discovered all this in the 2390s.

>>50409831
As someone who had trouble watching Voyager, should I even touch ENT with a 10 foot space pole?

>>50410624
ENT's last season had people who had a clue what Star Trek was about, and it gets a lot better. The Mirror Universe 2 part is considered some of the best TV Trek has, and the Romulan episodes are also alright. But overall... no. Not unless you really want to see all of Trek. It's obvious the show runners were burned out on Trek, and were spitballing a generic science fiction show together.

>>50410624

I'm going to suggest that you should give it a try. If you find you can't sit through it, you can simply stop.

>>50402993
The Borg also have the ability to make shields that repulses matter too. As seen with when the Borg kidnapped Picard and the first time they tried to get him back. Worf bounced right off a field force as he came close to Borg Picard.

>>50410624
It has a lot of the same troubles as VOY, at least at first, because the showrunners were the same. The main thing is that it tries to be TNG 3.0 (VOY was TNG 2.0), because that's what the showrunners were used to (Berman had been Exec Producer since the beginning of TNG, and Braga cut his writing teeth on TNG), and UPN thought that's what viewers wanted. But they didn't have the writing staff (nor the acting talent) to pull off a TNG 2.0, and the 3.0 version is even worse because B&B were the head writers for most of the first two-three seasons. You have the "captain is always right" problem that came from TNG and VOY, which is killer when it's obvious from the story that Archer isn't always right; they tried giving Archer flaws (like >muh vulcans), but they still justify him in the end. They tried using the TNG formula, but it didn't work for the setting.
When S3 comes around and they try something different, it mostly works. They still have the episodic TNG stuff there, which hurts the arc (why did they put the random Cowboy Planet in the Xindi arc?), but at least there is an arc, and it gives some dramatic weight to the show; it's basically what VOY's Year of Hell was supposed to be, more or less.
S4 got a new showrunner, and it really shows. It actually feels like a prequel, in a good way.
There are some other issues with ENT. Stuff like two seasons of shipping Archer and T'Pol, or focusing on Archer/Trip/T'Pol to the detriment of the other characters (trying to get that TOS magic back). Anybody crying about "looks too modern" or "muh canon" should be ignored though.

>>50404937
>>50407114
>TFW UPN stop trying to turn Trek into Doctor Who.
Ok I like Doctor Who but it's a dumb campy kid's show at it's heart. A trek show shouldn't be a DUMB CAMPY KID'S SHOW. Not even the cartoon trek felt as childish at times as ENT did half the time.

>TNG
>Barclay becomes a super genius
>The crew's first response is to lock him up until someone points out that he hasn't actually done anything wrong
>Everyone is upset that he's not the awkward social cripple that he used to be and treat him as a supervillain
>Later he becomes the computer
>They immediately begin to plan against him and find ways of killing him
>He only wanted to bring them the wonders of exploration

>>50410691
>The Mirror Universe 2 part is considered some of the best TV Trek has

Having seen those episodes, I don't understand why, I mean, it just cemented the mirror universe as a bunch of ultra-retards retarding up everything. More than was already done with the DS9 ones that went on for far too many.

>>50411604
>A trek show shouldn't be a DUMB CAMPY KID'S SHOW.
Why not? That's what TOS is.

>>50411662
Hold on now. Literally every time someone has gotten smarter or gained powers from some sort of alien intelligence, by midway through the episode that person becomes a gigantic dickbag, throws a couple of redshirts out of the nearest airlock, and declares themselves gods. Barclay was just too much of an anti-social nerd, and got the one alien group that didn't want to cause trouble, for it to be a problem. And it *still* was a problem.

>>50411793
I think it's the upping of the action of the setting. The Mirror Universe appeals to nerds because most of us, given half the chance, would go "Klingons? Suing for peace? Horseshit! Tactical, fire 10 Photon Torpedoes up his cock!", which the Mirror factions always leap to.

>>50411793
>the DS9 ones
I got so fucking sick of these. I understand that it was a sort of mental masturbation for the actors to ham up and try on new chops but i did not find it fun to watch at all

>>50390201

A band wouldn't have been a problem as long as they didn't go the stupid route of professional entertainers. Make it a ships's band consisting of an Engineering assistant/Transporter Operator, a Tactical/Security underling, the Under-cook, a sensors technician, and Merryweather since they gave him fuck all to do in the way of actual stories. It could have helped shown the personnel of the crew stuck in close proximity to each other for months and months slowly bonding.

And then, in one week's episode, the band get together for an awkward session. Because in last week's episode a redshirt bit it, and unfortunately he was also their bassist.

>>50411890
Well, the writers got sick of it too, so you're not alone by any means.

I think the only good thing that came out of the ENT one was making Tholians more interesting by making them a multi-dimensional civilisation.

>>50411890
Honestly, the DS9 mirror eps are the only ones I consistently skip when I rewatch the series.

And I even watch 'Make Your Way Home' (or whatever it was) 50/50 of the time.

>>50413620
That's because DS9's Mirror episodes were bad even by that show's standards. Making the Empire into slaves limited what stories they could tell, even if it was to allow the various alien races a chance to actually appear. That and the Cardassians being a major power when the Romulans and Klingons were there.

>>50411662
>TNG
>A young girl finds out she's secretly a Q all along
>The crew argues up and down for her to remain normal and mundane rather than go off to become a goddess and explore what humanity can only dream of
>Picard even gives a picard speech about it
>She finally just rolls her eyes and leaves on her own because she knows she'll have to put up with this shit any time she does anything.

>>50415101
>The same thing happened to Riker a few years earlier

>>50412191
Yeah, that could have worked. I mean the TNG crew with all that future tech to keep themselves busy and entertained. Still put on plays, had painting classes and had live music concerts. So doing something live instead of virtual is still important in the future. They should have shown this more with ENT with the rest of the crew instead of the mains. I mean T'Pol with all her navel gazing get boring after a while and the captain's stupid dog. We still have seen some rock collections and some ship art that they do to pass the time.

>>50415101
>>50415137
There must have been something that happened between TOS and TNG. in TOS, Starfleet officers had esper ratings. They even had a chemical that gave humans tremendous psychic power. By TNG, it's considered impossible for humans to be psychic in any way unless there is some alien dicking involved somewhere up the ancestry tree.

There must have been some event that's just not spoken of, why else would everyone have a kneejerk reaction to anyone gaining a special ability like that? Show off sudden telekinesis and the crew treats you like they caught you shoveling jews into the antimatter reactor. What the hell really happened? What brought about this reaction, this line of thinking? Why is it so wrong for humans to be anything more than mundane?

>>50415203
>*We should have seen

>>50415219
I think it's a knee jerk reaction to the human race starting to evolve into a higher form which makes some humans unequal to others. While it's ok for aliens to be the same to humans because they are aliens. It seems to not be ok for some humans to have an advantage while others don't. I'm guessing that's where all the passive aggressive comes from when they meet super beings they are kind of jelly I guess.
TL;DR Mutants are evil, anyone who wants to be an augment are evil, anyone making augments are evil. Normal base line humans best.
Man the Feds really are commies aren't they.

>>50415456
*aliens to not be

>>50415219
I figure something similar to the Psy-corps, from B5 showed up and they went Demi-Khan for a while. That's my in-setting reason, anyway.

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What do you guys think of fan projects? Like the many very amateur works out there. And the more professional looking stuff like Axanar or ST: Renegade? I think it is good for what it is. Is it canon, no. Can it be entertaining, imho yes. So do you guys have any favorites? Or do you guys not pay attention to most of that stuff?

man i kinda really wanna watch voyager now but i'm already in the midst of xfiles

should i finish up xfiles or drop it and come back to it after voyager

>>50411414
That could have been the Borg equivalent of a security shield generated by the cube.

>>50402993
What would be fucking badass to see is after the Wolf 359 Cube attack the formation of a pseudo-knightly order forming from the survivors.

Klingons laugh because there have never been human warriors since Kirk died and watching Redshirts die under their own order for once is going to be funny.

They are wearing space suits with hard starship hull alloy shells over the top and a helmet that contains a tricorder. They are carrying those riffles that the mad Vulcan was using to murder people on DS9. That and a choice of sword, axe or hammer type device for when shit gets really close. They have life sign blockers and transporter inhibiters built into the suits.

Their ships are renovated semi-derelicts. They barely have a warp drive or conventional weapons. They are all Impulse Engine and armoured prow. The ships only do one thing well and that is they are built for ramming into Cubes and releasing the knights into the cube.

Klingons stop laughing. Breen stop laughing. Cardasians stop laughing. Romulans stop laughing. All is deathly quiet. Vulcans are looking nervous, the humans are getting their WW3 groove back on. Borg have pushed good men too far and now they are pushing back. Klingons start signing up because they want to learn the Way of the Kirk.

Needless to say the founder of the order would be The Sisko. The Ram-Ships are merely delivery mechanisms for his bitch slapping hand

>>50418128
I've tended to avoid them. Axanar I watched the short documentary thing for and would watch the film if it ever leaks, given that's actually got good actors and a solid premise to it.
I tend to stick to the written stuff like the Museum otherwise.

>>50418210
>Klingons laugh because there have never been human warriors since Kirk died

Enterprise C.

>>50415219
Mostly that's behind the scenes stuff, show bible and editorial directives kinda thing, trying to stop the show being full of psychics and space magic all over the place.

In-setting, given the dangers, not really surprised every starts getting worried when people not known for it start getting weird powers. It's not so much that it is wrong but that it's dangerous, especially on board a starship.

>>50418128
Star Trek Continues is pretty good.

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I quite like the SFB 'fast' ship designs. Because being pointy means going faster apparently, which also apparently worked from DS9 onwards as things got kinda pointy or at least less wide, like the Prometheus or Intrepid or Sovereign.

>>50422647
So it's basically a Federation class dreadnought with an arrowhead instead of a saucer

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>>50424688
I'd throw up a stats comparison but for some reason it's not in my rulebook, despite there being a model for it...

>>50424865
>GW isn't the only one making models without stats or stats without models

anybody else think worf shouldve kept the chancellor title instead of handing it to martok?

>>50424923
Half the extended SFB roster is stats without models or 'just use this other ship, it totally counts as'.

>>50424923
Apparently they were in 'fleet update #1' which was free but I can't find that anywhere, all links seem dead and it's not available with the book or listed in the ship roster cards.

>>50422647
>>50424865
I need to know where to get these minis.

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>>50426289
Star Fleet Battles, 2500 line. I think they have to be ordered direct for Amarillo Design Bureau these days since Mongoose (the originator) gave up on doing miniatures.

>>50425260
Eh, Worf understood that he was a fighter not a politician. Martok was much of the same, but he at least was much better suited to be a leader than Worf was.

Worf also knew that he was far too traditionalist to be accepted as a leader.

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>>50426782
>>50425260

Worf seemed like a decent enough head of security back on the Enterprise, though mostly on that one episode with the Bajoran girl where he was actually shown doing his job as a department head. And that time when he was learning from O'Brien how to deal with his enlisted goons.

But that in no way makes him capable of being chief of politics for an interstellar empire of constantly feuding noble houses. He'd be assassinated within a few days at best.

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>>50426782
>>50427454
I think guys like Worf work better as middle management personnel like as an advisor or ambassador. Since he has ties and connections to both the Federation and Klingon Empire. And being too high up in either government begins bringing in doubt he can be fair and neutral in dealings with both sides. I mean how would it look if the leader of the Klingon Empire was found to drink prune juice on occasion?

>>50415219

Maybe something like "to marry medusa" happened, and you got a gestalt psychic consciousness forming on some planet or another. Nobody is sure what happened after that but several stars went early nova and every other human not killed in the event had about a month of very vivid nightmares about what it was like to be a normal bystander to a battle between something and something else. Spending a month learning all the ways you could die in a battle involving massive unleashed psychic power, and very little regard for collateral damage lead to a sudden revision in the way humans reacted to psychic powers.

>>50429211
late ds9 worf was kinda a bitch

>>50430191
At least in DS9 they occasionally listen to him and he does fuck up a lot of Jem'Hadar.

In TNG

Worf: Oh look a big hole blacker than the space around it in the fabric of space. Klingon Empire has encountered these things before. They eat ships. I suggest we back this luxury liner full of civilians and children away from it.

Piccard: Same speed ahead Kiff. Bring the ship that's carrying a bunch of civies and kids till it's practically touching the ohgodwhat. ON NOES! The ship got eated! How totally unexpected.

>>50432120
Well, if they were to do the smart sensible thing all the time. There wouldn't be much of a story most of the time. Even if most of the situations they get into are pants on head retarded at times because of 'muh human curiosity'. I think it would be interesting if they did one story where they did the wise thing and avoided dangers one time while there is a being trying to trap them but they keep getting away somehow before getting caught for real.

finally moved onto voyager

xfiles was boring me to tears

i'm guessing since janeway is a woman, she won't be involved in as many physical fight scenes as say kirk, picard or the sisko

>>50430191
at least he wasnt a jobber like in tng

he fucked up a whole bunch of jem had'ar and other klingons, and also murdered gowron to have martok become chancellor

>>50434154
He murdered no one. That was the legal killing of an incompetent leader.

>>50434118
My sweet summer child... Get ready for tomboy captain.

>>50434363
It's not that she was a tomboy. It's that she was a raging hypocritical psychopath and borderline sexual predator. And not the sexy type either.

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>>50434118
Not many punch-ups but she sure does shoot a lot of people. Probably as many people as Sisko ever did. If not more. Especially if you count not-people as well.

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You're a first time Captain, having just got promoted up from Commander (and not say, down from Admiral). How long it took and how you got there is up to you.

What's your ship? Any era.

I think I'd go for a Cheyenne, not too huge a responsibility for a new captain, being just a light cruiser, but capable of getting into some interesting stuff cruising around out on the frontier. Starting out about 2350 to allow for a few tours before shit gets real in the late 2360s.

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>>50435958
I'd go for a Miranda, if I manage to survive that gamut then I'd work towards something more substantial like a New Orleans.

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>>50435958
Excelssior.
And during the post TOS era for those great uniforms.

>>50435958
I'll take one of the unnamed Defiant class escorts, I'm thinking of calling it the USS Oklahoma City. During/Post Dominion war, maybe we'll get lucky and can scrounge up a cloak from a destroyed Romulan ship. If I could change anything, I'd remove one of the shuttlebays and replace it with better medical facilities.

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>>50436493
Defiant only has a single tiny shuttlebay though, you'd probably be stuck with the medical broom-cupboard.

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>>50435958

Perhaps I'm being vainglorious, but I'd like to have my very own 5 year mission.

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>>50437206

Some vanity shots for good measure.

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>>50437217

Last one.

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>>50437206
>>50437217
>>50437231
Those are some good pics, hopefully artist anon makes them into paintings.
Also id hope he would make this into a painting.

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>>50437295

I'd like that, if the artist anon is up for it. I'll post this for consideration too.

>>50437295
On it.

>>50437206
Does Starfleet ever sell off surplus/retired ships? I'd love a carrier as a space trucker in one of those, all the style and none off the hassle of the federal bureaucracy.

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>>50437327

>>50437914
Cheers, they are looking great.

>>50437217
How about taking a picture of you flying by K13?

>>50437854
>>50437870
>>50437894
>>50437932

Thanks!

>>50437966

Past one, or the current one way off near Breen country? My fleet is really low level and consists of mostly me and another guy, so she's not exactly in tip top shape. I can do either.

>>50438062
Why not both?
Hell, how about doing the past one with old connie and current one with a connie retrofit?

>>50438106

I can do that. I may be a bit. The Agamemnon needs some TLC so I can go toe to toe with level 60 ships (she's not a T6, she's the classic T1).

>>50434381

Anyone have a link to where they did a hypothetical court martial of her when she got back?

>>50437495
Yes but I don't think any Constitutions made it to that. Kinda doubt you'll find anything more capable than a light cruiser going though, obsolete transports and utility ships I bet get sold off all the time.

>>50438364
Wasn't there mentioned, half a dozen threads back, the story of the old as balls insane Vulcan captain ending up back on his old moth balled Constitution class deathtrap ship for the Dominion War?

Did anything ever come of that? Because it sounds badass as all fuck.

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>>50439063
I don't think anything came of it. Wish I had screencapped it.

>>50438169
Man there's so much material for that courtmartial just from the Equinox incident let alone a ton of other things...

Seconding if anyone's got that.

>>50438169
Of course, if they let it slip even once to the public they were planning to before they got back, she might just let all the dirty xenos have federation tech as a fuck you to the Feds.

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>>50438106
>>50438148

I return, many hours later, and with quite a number of screenshots.

It turns out that my low level fleet doesn't have access to K-13 yet, but I managed to overcome this small hurdle.

If the artist anon would be kind enough to consider making paintings out of these screens, I would be grateful.

>>50432120
>it's a worf was actually right episode
>it's an every-other-episode episode

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>>50443119

My first mission, of course, was the easiest. Take the mission that lets you see K-13 in the past. But let me tell you, I wasn't prepared for the fact that Pioneer class starships have 93k hull at level 54!

Needless to say, they gave the Agamemnon a thrashing. But she gave right back, and here she is on approach to the station.

>>50442941
That wouldn't really fit her character, what there was of it.
More likely she'd go off on a massive tirade about how she was right to do pretty much everything as she did, expect everyone to back her up, and would either accept her fate given that she achieved her get the ship home task and nothing else really matters after that.

If the show was written more like DS9, she'd probably have accepted that a court martial was inevitable long before the mid-point in the show, if only for the Caretaker array incident stranding them there in the first place.

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>>50443144

And here she is in front of the station itself.

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>>50443170

My next mission was to see K-13 in the present time, but I needed to get some better gear if the encounter with the U.S.S. Myrmidon was any indication. So I did some other missions in the meanwhile, and captured some fun screenshots.

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>>50443208

Another blue sun vanity shot from the mission Sunrise.

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>>50443229

The U.S.S. Agamemnon in orbit of the gas giant that the Lukari species homeworld (a moon) also orbits.

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>>50443252

During that mission, some Tholians decided to drop in and attempt to steal the Tox Uthat from Kal Dano, and the Agamemnon gets caught in the crossfire.

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>>50443278

Later, the U.S.S. Agamemnon went looking for K-13 in the present, and passed this planet.

>>50443119
Will do, in a bit. Gotta get through some work first.

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>>50443309

A vanity shot with some old friends.

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>>50443342

We made a bit of a stop, sent an away mission down, and we found out what happened to K-13's crew.

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>>50443366

And here she is. K-13, found once again, and not forgotten. Never forgotten, not by the U.S.S. Agamemnon or her crew.

>>50443328

No problem. Whenever you can get to it.

In generations how did those refugee transport ships get caught in the ripple? The ripple moves on a predictable path surely they would be able to see it and move?

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>>50443396

And here the Agamemnon is again, this time, a refit version of her.

Technically not the same ship, since the TOS Agamemnon is the T1 starship, and the Agamemnon-A is the T2 Exeter class. Thematically, it seemed fitting.

>>50443420

I've always assumed the following things:

1.) The ribbon/Nexus travels faster than light. This more or less is what we see in the movie.

2.) They were unaware of the ribbon/Nexus or its flight path.

3.) Or, they were trying to fly into it, and chickened out at the last second, radioing for help.

>>50443526
>2
How? It's a giant ribbon in space. Seems kinda unobservant
>3
I thought they established in the movie that any ships flying into it on purpose would be destroyed

>>50443615

>How?

Well, they may simply not have had the necessary instrumentation to detect it until it was on top of them. They were in civilian starships, not top of the line Starfleet vessels.

Either that, or the writers are dumb and just created a situation that would serve to put them in danger and introduce the Nexus at the same time.

I wonder which is more likely?

>Ships flying in are destroyed

It's been a long time since I intentionally watched Generations, but they may not have known that when they attempted it, assuming they were deliberately flying into it.

>>50443615
>I thought they established in the movie that any ships flying into it on purpose would be destroyed

>ribbon is in space
>ribbon leads to heaven/nirvana/whatever
I think people would be willing to risk flying into it, especially if they are the spiritual sort that wouldn't care about their ship being btfo.

>>50444675
Not that anon, but the effects the Ribbon has on ships is generally pretty devastating, since it carved the Enterprise B open pretty badly from near misses.

>>50435958
Prolly have to go with either an Ambassador or Nova. As for timeline, in and around the Cardassian-Federation War would be kinda neat, though that would axe the Nova as a possibility. Hmm, so many options...

ive begun watching voyager and i'm only on episode 2 and chakotay already seems incredibly bland and boring

tuvok's a fuggen vulcan and he seems way more interesting

>>50446318
The actor for Chakotay was not a good choice. I believe he openly hates Voyager and considers it a black mark on his career, such as it is. Also, the producers of Voyager went into the show with the mindset of "Make the crew as uninteresting as possible so the aliens encountered are more interesting."

>>50446487
Given the scripts and character treatment they gave him, can you blame Beltram for feeling the way he does?

They wrote him as a one-dimensional tough guy injun. They gave him as little to do as possible, and he was the FIRST OFFICER. And he was trapped there, if he made a stink or tried to leave the show, Paramount would have fucked him over so hard he'd still be under the mountain. Kes can leave, the first officer? Not so much.

Given what he was to work with, he did a better than expected job, and I can't blame his resentment toward the show.

>>50440905
Pity it sounds fun.

I know this is off topic. Fuck it, I tried /tv/ and they were unresponsive. So here we go.

Is there a better Star Trek episode than Return of the Archons? I've seen all of them and I can't think of any.

>>50435958
Oberth Class, of course. Needs more SCIENCE.

>>50446566
The makers of the show really fucked his character up. Making his character what ever the fuck injun we want to fit the story was just pants on head retarded. He had a new Zealand islander tattoo but he has a north American injun background? WHAT THE FUCK wow what were they thinking? They should have at least had a better outline of what kind of native we were going to get. Instead of the cluster fuck we did get for Chakotay. I don't even know what injun tribe the name Chakotay is even supposed to reference.

>>50447602
It doesn't reference any tribe because they didn't put enough effort in to give him one. Whenever his background comes up he just refers to them as "my tribe" or "my people". I things writers were just told by their suit lords to "maek Injun, gib im ungabunga tatts to maek im tribul lookin". And given how the writers were actively discouraged from growth or exploration of characters at all in any way there was never even an attempt to fix it.

>>50446487
He hated VOY because it became boring and stupid for him. He tried to get fired but they never would (doing things like asking for ridiculous raises and stuff). But that didn't happen until after a couple seasons at least. Ep 2 being boring is just VOY being itself.

>>50440905
From what I remember of that long ago thread.

Vulcan, fuck it lets all him Vek because that's what the random Vulcan name generator just gave me and we never got around to naming him, joins Starfleet back during the Kirk era. Passes academy with good marks. Nothing record breaking but still pretty good. Does 6 months on a Pioneer class before being to a Constitution as the first officer. Constitution Captain, going to call him Cpt. Kaapo Mikhailov for no reason.

Captain Mikhailov is intending to surf the Constitution all the way to retirement in about eleven months, go back to Earth, open a bar in Helsinki and live the rest of his life with his loving family.

Cpt. Mikhailov avoids the retirony and lives to be nearly 150 years old. All is well.

Vek gets bumped up to Captain on the recommendation of Kaapo Mikhailov and also having already gained the respect of the rest of the crew for his diligence, enthusiasm and a dry wit rare among his kind.

Bad shit happens. Everything from big glowing green hands from space bitch slapping them to xenomorph infestation to space Somalians/Nausicaans

Loosing so many friends and co-workers is not good for his mental state but being a Vulcan it's not easily noticeable how much it's chewing him up inside.

Eventually runs into a group of people not too dissimilar to the ones who mind-meld raped T'Pol in Enterprise. They are Vulcan Pagans descended from those who calmly packed up their stuff and left when Surak's autistic children started to get all militantly euphoric at them. Spent since then just wandering the stars as surveyors, map makers, traders and prospectors and basically anything else that keeps them moving away from the insufferable twats back on the homeworld.

They actually master their emotions rather than removing them. they two ships travel together for a time exchanging notes, knowledge and spare parts. Vek finds some measure of peace with their beliefs.

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>>50443119
Alright, let's do this.

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>>50448793
Problems only start to arise when the ship goes back to Earth for upgrades and repair after doing a seven year stint on the frontier. Comes into contact with other Vulcan officers. This is the point in history when the first Vulcan Starfleet Admirals are appearing. Vulcan officers report him expressing feelings and shit to their higher ups and a minor ruckus is had. The Vulcan admirals want him thrown out of Starfleet and committed to an insane asylum until his artificial autism grows back because he isn't adhering to a Surak approved lifestyle and that's fucking wrong. Human, Andorian and Teleraite high ups politely tell the Vulcans to go fuck themselves because neither are they and Starfleet hasn't discriminated against religious creed before and they aren't going to start now. Less politely in the case of the Telerites.

Captain Vek soon finds himself assigned to a decrepit old Daedalus class running totally not bullshit beneath is capabilities missions. Pretty fucking obvious this was a compromise between the Vulcan admirals and the rest of the admiralty; he wouldn't loose his job but he would be kept out of sight. Quite a few of the survivors of his old crew requested transfers to go with him. They were granted.

Despite never seeing the frontier they still somehow manage to act like a lightning rod for fucked up bullshit.

Eventually Daedalus falls apart beyond any practical method of fixing it. By this point the original batch of Mirandas are looking a bit frayed around the edges and an opening on board one of them has just opened up.

By this point all the original crew from the old connie have either died or retired or plain old quit. Cpt. Vek is fast becoming a relic from another era and his Kirk style attitudes to thing are seemingly increasingly out of place in the modern Starfleet. Considered the worst persistent mistake of Starfleet, assignment to his ship is seen as a You Fucked Up permanent record mark.

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>>50443447
And that's it.

>>50449043
Serves on the Miranda to the best of his abilities being given all the inglorious and tedious work none of the other captains want. Always last in the line for upgrades, always back of the line for rushed Friday night repair work. Shit fucking sucks but he still truly and honestly believes in Starfleet and the Federation and all they stand for.

Him, his ship and his motely crew continue to act like a lightning rod for weird shit. If you do a tour on that Miranda and survive you always come away with the I've Seen Some Shit expression. People wonder how Cpt. Vek survives. Possibly he is surviving for no reason other than to spite the rest of his species.

Eventually the Borg Cube comes. His ship is in range of Wolf 359. His ship is left mangled but salvageable. Him and his other survivors spent almost a month drifting through space waiting for the rescue teams, constantly getting the "sorry for the delay, we will be with you tomorrow" and all it's variants treatment.

Dragged to Earth Space Dock, six months of waiting for a place in the repair scaffolds and another three actually having the repair work done. For most of this time the surviving crew filled out transfer forms and requested transfers to somewhere else. Anywhere else.

Goes back to the shit work in the beat up old Miranda with a new crew of almost-dropouts unofficial probation fuck ups.

Continues to act like the punching back of universe.

Still in the Miranda when the Dominion war starts. By this point his ship is obviously too beat up for front line work, thank his pagan gods. starts running medical supplies and guarding refugee convoys on low risk no-glory runs. It says something that in one of the most bloody wars in the UFP's history the mortality turnover rate of his crew actually dropped.

Big Epic Battle push for Cardassia time comes. Starfleet is pulling anything that can be given a warp drive out of the Mothball Nebula and having guns bolted on to it.

>>50449058
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>>50449094

Anon these are gorgeous. Are you doing these by hand?

>>50449141
This includes his old Constitution ship. By the time it was mothballed there was little in the fleet that used parts that old so it was spared much breaking down for parts. He's the last officer on active duty who has ever served on one of these things, the very last of his breed.

By this time he is completely round the bend by Vulcan standards and skirting the boundary between brilliant and nucking futs by the standards of everyone else. But he has over his more than two centuries of faithful service acquired something of a legend among the non-Vulcans due to all the stuff he has seen and survived, all the wars he has served through all the beatings he has taken and recovered from to serve again. Telerites love him because he is a living insult to his people, Andorians love him because he the one passionate Vulcan, humans love him because his exploits make good stories and the others who gives a fuck about non-founding members.

Miranda gets given to another Cpt. (and immediately gets repairs and upgrades with good workmanship and no waiting) and he gets given his old derelict, a bunch of big boxes of replacement parts, some anti-matter and a deadline.

Cpt. Vek and the crew of delinquents brave/mad enough to come with him to the old wreck start repairing the Constitution. Cpt. Vek finds his old quarters. Finds an old Kirk era uniform with his name on the collar tag.

Goes into battle against the Dominion in beat up old Connie. Gives a bunch of old Klingon allies 'Nam style Kirk flashbacks. Survives because the old gods of Vulcan hate their faithless children.

Gets medal for outstanding performance. Limps back onto the frontier in old Connie, like all legends he returns to the stars.

>>50449281
Tablet stylus and some editing software

>>50449417
We need more Tellarites having fun at the Vulcans expense.

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>>50448822
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>>50449094

Thank you anon. They turned out absolutely wonderful.

I may just make taking screenshots a regular part of my STO routine.

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>>50449848
That's pretty much where I get all of my material. Now I have one character that I just use to get shots of different ships. But seeing as I don't always have time to play STO, or the money to buy loads of ships, hence /stg/ has been a huge help.

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>>50450839
I just tried taking some combat pics, tell me what you think of them and give me some ideas so i can help you make some great paintings.

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>>50451440
And the last one.

>>50446487
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>>50447653

A better actor would have fought for the writers to define a character, and still put the effort in. Compare to Tim Russ, who could have been a boring, bland vulcan but because he actually gave a fuck, he constantly fought to make the character consistent and interesting.

Beltran took the lazy way. At no point can you see him try, even right at the very start. It's not like he grew into being a plank, he started and ended as one and just rolled with it for the sake of a paycheck.

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>>50449417
>>50449141
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>>50448793
Would make a good series. You could have each episode be set at important intervals in life giving a time lapse view of him going increasingly batshit crazy. Kind of a dark comedy with a badass ending.

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>>50451477
Of the 3, I like this one most, you get a good sense of motion from it.

>>50451758
I always thought the Doctor was probably the most interesting Character in Voyager. He had the most consistent behaviour and moral standpoint.

More casting announcements for Discovery. It almost sounds like we'll be seeing a second ship on a regular basis.

http://www.startrek.com/article/star-trek-discovery-beams-up-three-cast-members

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Who else thinks that Starfleet craft of the ~2280s are perfect?

>>50451849
Maybe have him salvage/steal a bunch of parts during the Dominion war so that while externally his ship looks like an old Connie, internally it's an absolute nightmare that gives Starfleet engineers aneurysms to gaze upon. This also means the ship is much more powerful than it at first appears, with an array of strange capabilities that only comes of forcing a bunch of tech to work together. This is a good part of how he survived the conflict in such an ancient ship.

>>50453193
They are great, although i have a hard time making my mind between them and the 2260s ships.

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>>50453193

They are pretty damned fantastic.

>>50450839

I have a decent stable of starships. If there's any you want some screenshots of, I will try to oblige.

Of the T6s, I have the Temporal Ships (the ones from the C-Store pack, any way), the Jupiter, a ship I wish I hadn't bought since it's not really great at anything, the Resolute, another not terribly great ship, but she can be kitted out like an Excelsior (that's all that matters to me - but it would have been nice if she'd had a better niche than "among the worst T6 cruisers"), the Mirror Guardian, the Samsar, the Rezreth, the Xyfius, the Krenim one, and my main has the Vengeance. Which is hands down the nastiest ship I've ever used in STO.

I also have lower level ships like the Thunderchild, the Sao Paulo, and whatnot. I even have a Mirror Star Cruiser (looks like the Sovereign) so I can snag some screens of iconic ships. I am lacking ships like the Nebula and Galaxy though.

My current favorite is probably the Nautilus with the Daedelus appearance. It's a fantastic ship statwise, and I grown fond of her somewhat derpy appearance.

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>>50450839

I suppose I should also mention I have most of the T1 ships (across all the factions) and most of the shuttles (minus things like Captain's Gig, Stalker Stealth Fighter, the Steamrunner, and the Andorian T1 ship).

I don't have a ton of KDF or Romulan ships, but I do have a couple of them (in particular, the Koro'ting'a, the C-Store variant of the D7 if anyone wants screenshots of that beautiful little bastard).

This is my personal favourite piece of Trek artwork I've come across.

The ones in this thread are pretty nice though.

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>>50453757

Would help if the picture posted.

>>50451880
Apart from Enterprise, I don't think 'trek has ever really done 'bad' doctor characters. Even Crusher was alright, if not great. Bashir whilst starting out annoying as fuck, well he grew up and formed a great bro-team with O'Brien. Pulaski was underrated and by the end of season 2, clearly a better character than Crusher.

Good star fleet doctor characters are pretty easy when it comes down to it; they match the ideals of the setting in valuing life, being smart, solving problems through both personal ability and technology, they get to have some drama pretty easily, additional characters can be made from the supporting staff, they can get some decent reasons to leave the ship and be on away teams and have many reasons to interact with other characters that are not contrived (everyone always gotta go to sickbay, not everyone has to go to engineering).

>>50453241
Part of the charm is that it's a shit collection of scrap and the admirals that assigned it to him knew it would, finally, be his coffin.

Given bare minimum parts by the Fleet to cobble together a rudimentary warp drive, slap a phaser array on the prow and maybe two hours of impulse engine use. Also take your radiation pills because the deflector dish is kind of sort of not totally working.

In transit from Mothball Nebula to the staging ground he calls in ALL OF THE FAVOURS he got over 200+ years of rattling around the UFP.

It amounts to some shield generators, the parts to build a proper warp drive capable of warp 5ish on a good day, another couple of phaser arrays and other things of that nature.

It's a Frankenstein monstrosity lurching and twitching its way into battle like some sad mockery of life, crewed by the damned, the desperate and the forsaken.

Contracted non-Starfleet repair teams hammering it into some shape ready for war and when it arrives with the rest of the Fleet it looks like the vulture among eagles.

Vulcan As whole Admiral hails them and Cpt. Vek is wearing his old Kirk era uniform.

"Captain Vek, you are out of uniform".
"You are mistaken, sir. I have never been more in uniform".

>>50453537
>>50453679
Sure, anything you think looks well.

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>>50455418

Well, 'ere we go then.

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>>50455775

I figured that the assault on Vaadwaur Prime would furnish me with some good battle screenshots, and it didn't disappoint.

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>>50455795

This is my main's ship, the U.S.S. Specter, and it's obvious what section of the franchise it's from. She may be huge and ugly, but she packs an enormous punch. No hittin' below her weight. It's all proportional with this beast.

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>>50455828

One of the best things about the ship is that it has a decent amount of Science powers to go with her Tactical and Engineering, meaning she's got the ability to tank, do monstrous amounts of damage, and lock enemies down at the same time. I don't even have her properly set up to take advantage of her Intel powers and she still destroys everything too fast to get much satisfaction out of it.

>>50455202
The thing is, he makes it work. Somehow, someway, he wins his first battle against Dominion/Cardassians/Breen and realizes that there are now a ton of derelicts just sitting there in space. So he sends the crew out on a series of salvage operations.

Of course, there are compatibility issues. But you don't captain ancient rust-buckets for decades without learning how to MAKE technology do what you want. A few bits and bobs stolen from various vessels, and suddenly the old war-horse is a lot more deadly than she was previously. A Consitution-class should NOT have a Dominion polaron weapon mounted in its bow.

And indeed, the weapon fuses and shorts out due to the aforementioned compatibility issues. But that's okay, because it lasted long enough to win another battle, with some new tech to strap on that will hopefully last a few weeks.

Nobody ever knows what this ship is capable of, because its exact capabilities change every fucking engagement. But as the crew gets more and more used to finagling things, it gets progressively deadlier, even and components keep burning out, or catching fire and have to be spaced.

But the damn ship just. Keeps. Winning.

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>>50455889

It was almost over too fast to get proper screenshots of the fight. I'm severely tempted to remove her tactical consoles next time I try this.

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>>50455922

Even so, victory was sweet.

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>>50455936

I could have changed out the Specter's drones for something else, but they honestly do a pretty decent amount of damage, and they fire red pulses that knock other ships around. And they look like a pile of d12s, and when are you going to have an opportunity to use that many at once?

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>>50455972

Here's a pic of the away team for good measure. Nothing says "I am assured of my dominance" like going planetside in skintight latex.

>>50455902
I like that. I read like that.

Investigator Morris: So what happened to the Breen survivors
Cpt. Vek: There were no survivors.
M: Your report states that the ship was disabled, not destroyed. You even sent salvage teams across for repair material.
V: Never the less there were no survivors.
M: 70% of the ship was habitable when-
V: listen, and listen close, there were no survivors. Do you understand?

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>>50455418

I took some screens of Captain Veracruz's Daedalus, the U.S.S. Isolde (his TOS ships, aside from the Agamemnon are named after characters from Arthurian legend, though I probably should have stuck to Greek myth).

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>>50456577

I think next time I'll see if I can't find a more interesting star system.

>>50456327

Cold.

>>50456577
>Doesn't use WWII combatant names for TOS ships
Literally Colonel Green. Only 2270s+ ships get different ones.

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>>50456639

To each his own.

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>>50456739

This little thing is pretty great though. Best T2 ship, and of the T6 variations, it's my favorite to fly. None of the Temporal ships are slouches, but Space Magic is too fun.

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Will do the rest tomorrow morning. For now here's this

>>50457822

Thanks. Looks fantastic!

>>50457822
Hey anon, do you have a site where you dump all theses online? If not you should make a tumblr or something because trek could use more of this alternative art.

>TNG Episode
>They're testing Wesley for Starfleet
>The most ridiculous levels of testing
>"we can only have one person!"
>Super genius Wesley barely scrapes by
>Somehow Worf, Troi, Tasha Yar and Janeway passed this bullshit
They act like getting into Starfleet is the greatest honor there can be and only for special people. I'm glad most of them died pointlessly to borg or Jem Hadar when their glorious Starfleet tossed them in mirandas that would barely start or forced them into months long ground warfare with no supplies and starship hand phasers.

>>50456605
>filename

She's pretty to ME, dammit!

>>50460314
>Worf, Troi, Tasha Yar and Janeway
>experimental token Klingon
>token one-drop Betazed, reads emotions
>woman escaped Rapemurderland
>high functioning Disassociative Identity Disorder.

Everyone you listed was exceptional. Wesley ate shit ON PURPOSE. He was the son of two officers, lived on the flagship, and was a bog standard human. He HAD to be held to the highest standard, lest Starfleet be partial. He proved his exceptional nature by making Nova Squadron.

>>50460314
>>50460476
Troi only got in because her mother was a top Federation diplomat and Betazed royalty. Seriously, Lwaxana may have been a comedy character, but she was equal to fucking Sarek in the Federations eyes.

Janeway glided in on her Admiral daddy's laurels.

Nepotism is alive and well in the Federation.

>>50460476
>token one-drop Betazed, reads emotions
She's the daughter of an important diplomat, and of a Starfleet officer (who died in duty, which can get their kids some perks). Starfleet is all about nepotism, at least in its officer corp. Probably that's one reason why it's so hard to get in (and perhaps why it's mostly human). It's more like the old-timey militaries than they like to let on.

>>50460746
Maybe that's just for the Academy. I'll bet you they have an OCS or ROTC program of some kind, otherwise there's no way they could produce enough officers in any sort of reasonable time frame. Granted, they seem to have accelerated training somewhat during the Dominion War (Nog spent two years there and got commissioned), but that's still a lot of time.

>>50461333
The big trip up is that the writers are idiots and said there was only *one* Academy, without any satellite schools or anything. Starfleet Academy - Vulcan, Andor or wherever the hell would make sense, but nope. Just one school in the worst US city.

alright /stg/

which race would you shack up and procreate with

>>50461881
Caitian hands down. I will fuck the fur off her hide and make a kitten with it.

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>>50461881
>Orion girl who ran away from home and wanted to be a dancer in the UFP.
I would stack up with her in a cold second.

>>50461881
Romulan/Vulcan hybrid.

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>>50457822
Alright here we go.

>>50460233
I've been thinking about doing that. I'll probably add them to klingonhistory once I have them more organised

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>>50463205
And that's the lot.

>>50461333
>>50461418
I don't think Starfleet (pre-Dominion War, anyways) is that big, really. The thousand+ graduates the Academy shoots out each year are probably just enough to overcome usual attrition, and that's it. Also, that's just officers, and we know a lot of the nameless crew are enlisted, and probably even moreso for those stuck on starbases and whatnot.
>ROTC/OCS
There's got to be that too. The way they always describe doctors, at least, makes me think that they can come from different medical schools, and that the ones that come through the Academy are the exceptions (you know, the heroes).
>accelerated training during dominion war
I don't really think so. Nog got a battlefield commission, which accelerated *his* training, but I don't think that's how it tended to go down. The Red Squad kids from "Valiant" weren't accelerated, and they were the cream of the crop.

>>50456605
I get the impression that Vek is not a very merciful person by the end of his 200+ years of being the galaxies punching bag.

When battle starts he is not good at grand strategy. His idea of strategy is charge forward as fast as possible, all weapons spraying on full auto, forward shields to maximum and Glasgow Kiss the nearest/biggest ship.

He is the sort of nutter that puts 5 quantum detonators in one torpedo despite the quantum resonance it generates taking the forward wall with it and opening the torpedo bay to open space. That, he would say, is why you should be wearing your space suit when you know weird shit is being attempted.

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>>50456605
>I think next time I'll see if I can't find a more interesting star system.

I take most of my shots in a few places.

For Nebula shots (the gaseous anomaly, not my favourite ship) I use New Romulus, any mission that puts you in the badlands, the azure Nebula and pretty much any of the space encounters in the Beta Quadrant.

For shots with the Sun in the background, like pic related, I use Sol. You just go out a ways from the mess of ships at Earthdock and then do shots go towards and away from the sun. The Excelsior in my pic is the Lakota. It's stationary in front of Earth space dock.

As for deep space shots, like the OP picture, I generally go to sector space. Normally the Delta quadrant where there are much fewer players, then I find an interesting system and do flyby shots. A general rule of thumb is try to avoid getting the sector-space star in your shot, because they're too large and they throw the perspective off.

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So I'm guessing the UFP is the least geared towards combat space fleet of all the space empires, we know of. I'm guessing Star Fleet even adding in all the enlisted and nco's is not even 0.00001% of the total pop of the Federation. While the KE, CU, and RR have a much higher percent of their pop in their military. So does anyone have any guess or real numbers about how much of their pop is geared towards war? I'm guessing at least 5-10% if not more. And it works better for them since it seems they have small crew sizes while having many ships.

>>50463313
If it helps, the United States Navy, with ~450 ships active right now (11 supercarriers, the rest cruisers, submarines, and destroyers) typically commissions about a thousand per year from the Academy, another thousand or so from its OCS, and while I don't know personally, I've met enough ROTC guys that I'd say they produce about as many per year.

Given what we know about Starfleet ship compliments, that may actually be enough weirdly enough. I mean, the Defiant only has about 50 people, and while that's on the lower end of the scale, even the Galaxy class seems to require fewer people to operate at minimum than a Nimitz carrier.

Those kids in Valiant were dumb as hell.

>>50464656
The Valiant kids were just classic TNG smug taken to its logical end.

>>50464804
Without any plot bullshit to save them too.

>>50463358

Thanks for all the work you put in on my screenshots. They turned out great, in particular I like:

>>50463205
>>50463216

They really nicely show off the Daedalus class.

>>50463165
>>50463173

And your technique makes planets look amazing, and the Specter really pops against those warm tones.

I'll keep in mind those spots you mentioned. I might go an take some screenshots of my Resolute at Iconia or the Mirror Badlands. Classic Excelsior, refit, or Enterprise-B?

I feel a little like I've been taking up too much of the thread, so I'll try not to dump a whole ton of screenshots this time.

>>50464478
Well, in Romulan society, the military is seen as a tool for personal and political advancement. So I'd say, without taking in to account the Tal Shiar, the Romulan military makes up maybe a 10th of the populace.

As for the Cardassians, We know that the 11th order was the reserve order. "Old men and Young boys" according to Damar. He also states that it has a size of 500,000. Now let's say that Orders vary anywhere between a half million and 1 million. That's still a maximum of around 10 million Cardassian soldiers.


As for the Klingons, I'm working on a much, much larger theory regarding that. Suffice it to say that the Empire can call on ridiculous numbers of reservists, but their actual full-time military isn't much larger than that of the Romulans.

>>50465323

>large number of reservists

That would make sense, since "being a warrior" is seen as the proper occupation of every klingon, but there likely aren't that many ships or positions within the KDF for that (and it's likely not economically feasible either).

However, I'd wager that with House forces (likely in older but still heavily armed ships) the actual military force the Empire has at its disposal outnumbers nearly every other power in the Beta Quadrant.

>>50465146
I'm glad you like them. I'm going to start posting them on http://klingonhistory.weebly.com/ so as to not fill up the threads, as you suggest.

>>50465536

Bookmarked, and I left a comment so you can raid my STO screenshot album whenever you like (I need to put some more screenshots up, but that won't take too long).

>>50460314
Worf managed to turn his com badge into a shield generator. Worf might have been pretty smart.

>>50465528
One of the big things we have to take into account is that "being a warrior" is applied to all areas of Klingon society. As seen during Worfs trial for war crimes, even Klingon lawyers see their jobs as being a form of war.

Hope you have been grinding dat dilithium, because now it's time to say good bye to it.

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>>50466898
I have a metric dick-tonne of dilithium, so I'm actually pretty pumped for this.

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Why not just build a ship shaped like a cat?

>>50467410
Because then the Caitians would build a giant human shaped ship in retaliation.

>>50467432

I see no downsides to that.

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>>50467432
>Giant human you say
SUCK SUCK SUCK!
>>50467454
I also see no downsides anon

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>>50467432
>>50467454
>>50467859

But we already have this

>>50467963
>Two deflector dishes
A science ship i see.