Warhammer 40k General:

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FIRST FOR DARK ELDAR AREN'T DEAD BOIS

>>50350395
Fuck yes! I don't even play deldar, that was just a bullshit rule.

>>50350395

> Swerving a Raider into a sick tailspin has no effect on the passengers aim

But that's retarded.

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>>50350395
We still aren't very good though
CTC and MSUborn are the only way we work

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>>50350349
I was going to say something, but I forgot. Oh bother. Have a wizard instead.

FIFTH FOR BLOOD ANGELS ARE TRASH AND NEEDS BUFFS
All their specific units are weak and they can't be applied, and their psychic powers are weak

Librarius BTFO

Leman Russ Executioner, like a phoenix from the ashes

>>50350441
But at least we weren't gutted into unplayability. And for that I'm happy.

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>>50350395
Neat. Pic related is still a bit of a bugger, but gunboats may be usable now.

>>50350349
You didn't even link the new FAQ.

That's sloppy OP'ing

If I were to make a chapter based on Renaissance imagery, the book of choice would be Blood Angels, right?

>>50350457
But we just got buffs.

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Should I throw my lot in with Torchstar or Shadowsun?

>>50350590
Torchstar, definantly.

>>50350590
Torchstar.

>>50350349
What EPUB reader do you guys use? mine sucks for most of those codices.

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Anyone else got a feeling the 1KS are going to be the Deathwatch of CSMs?

>>50350639
No.
Only if they have an ability that allows them to.

>>50350656
Said that three days ago.

>>50350657

you're right, I'm an illiterate.

>>50350656
what did he mean by this

>>50350641
Readium/Kobo

>>50350664

mmmmm

>>50350668

Good but hindered by their guys higher point cost.

>>50350527
They are. We've always played it that way - that Jink doesn't force the passangers to snap fire, but moving over 6" does. Unless the opponent has loads of tanks or a buttload of Ignores Cover weapons, gunboats can be really good. Taking 20 poison shots with re-rolls to hit to the face, several times per turn, melts even MEQ units.

Where did you get this from, by the way? A new FAQ? Link?

>>50350678
71 point for naked terminators?
Hindered indeed.

>>50350691
Yup.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/22/warhammer-40000-rulebook-final-faq/

>Q: In the rules for cover saves it says that intervening models grant cover even if the model is fully visible unless you shoot over the intervening models. Does this include models that are taller than the intervening models i.e. are taller models able to shoot over shorter models?
>A: Yes, as long as the line of sight for the weapon being used is not obscured by the intervening models and does not pass through a gap between the models in the intervening unit.

>Q: Can Infantry count as intervening for a Monstrous Creature or a Gargantuan Creature?
>A: Yes, but only if 25% or more of the model is obscured by the intervening Infantry unit from the perspective of the firer.

So my Tervigon can't get a cover same from my gants?

The fuck is this shit.

>>50350730
Making infantry cover the same as terrain.

>Q: When I am using ‘long’ or ‘oval’ Cavalry/Bikes/Monstrous Creatures’ bases, am I allowed to pivot the base on the spot to gain additional movement like vehicles would?
>A: When making a move, you have to take into account how far all parts of the model have moved. Or to put that another way, trying to come up with a way of making a move that allows a model to move ‘further’ than its maximum movement distance is illegal. It is not allowed for a model to move 6″ towards or away from something, and end up more than 6″ closer to or further away from it!

>Q: I have a question about pivoting and moving a vehicle. When is the distance that a vehicle can move measured – before it pivots for the first time or after it pivots for the first time? Some vehicles may be able to gain an extra inch or two by pivoting, then measuring, then moving.
>A: If a model moves, no part of the model (or its base) can finish the move more than the model’s move distance away from where it started the Movement phase.

We AOS now.

>>50350641
readium

>>50350590
Shadowsun a shit, Torchstar is best waifu

>>50350751
>We AOS now.
Buy not letting people sneak inches?

Don't know how to feel about the 6"+ movement causing snapfire but thank God for no snap firing crews on the jink. I suppose the only crew that is gonna struggle with that are my 18" sslyth shardcarbines or the 18" blasterborn. We'll see!

>>50350730

Can't get Terrain cover either.

Ground nids are deader than they were before. It's pretty sad. Flying circus got buffed though, at least.

grenades in melee officially nerfed, time to break out the dreadnoughts in drop pods against my buddies guard blobs.

>>50350772
Yea man people cant unfairly move their models additional inches what the fuck.

>>50350773
but going over 6" has always made your units snap fire

>>50350751

>I officially can't cheat anymore

Fucking hell...

>>50350804

Has it? My group has always played that my venoms could move full distance and crew could fire as normal unless jink.

>>50350762
One is the supreme commander of the Tau Empire. The other likes setting fire to things.

>Q: Some pieces of terrain (woods, ruins, craters, etc.) provide a cover save to a models even if they are not 25% obscured. Does this really include large models like Monstrous Creatures?
>A: No. Just like Vehicles, Monstrous Creatures and Gargantuan Creatures are not obscured simply for being inside terrain such as woods or ruins.
No more Toe In Cover bullshit.

What does TG think of SM Scouts? I've never bothered to use them, so is there anything they excel at?
I was given 9 with shotguns, 8 with sniper rifles and 2 with missile launchers.

>>50350730
>>50350783
You could do a line of termagaunts followed by line of gargoyles.
Expensive and probably not worth it but it would get everybody that 5+.

>>50350827
did you read the rulebook? maybe you should read the rulebook every new edition and not rely on "my group has played it like..."

>>50350395
Are chariots considered transports? Asking because I want to know how these rules apply to the Burning Chariot of Tzeentch.

>>50350874
>I was given 9 with shotguns, 8 with sniper rifles and 2 with missile launchers.
Those are junk

Bolters for dicount marines are where it's at

>>50350884
No, they are chariots

FAQ:
>Q: Using grenades in the Assault phase. Can every model replace their close combat attacks with a single grenade attack or just one model in the unit? Like in the Shooting phase e.g. a unit of 5 Tau Pathfinders charge a Knight. Do 5 Pathfinders make close combat haywire grenade attacks?
>A: Only one model from the unit can attack with a grenade in the Assault phase. Per Warhammer 40,000: The Rules, ‘Only one grenade (of any type) can be thrown by a unit per phase’.

Warhammer 40,000: The Rules:
>"Some grenades do not have a profile. Any effects that they have will be covered in their special rules. Unless specifically stated otherwise, these grenades cannot be thrown or used as a Melee weapon."

Sounds like "throw" is not the same as "used as Melee weapon." But why should GW read their own rules?

>>50350892
I thought the shotguns could have been useful with Crusader Squads. Get some shots on the charge and suck up some overwatch with scout bodies

So wait, with the new FAQ, Flyers and FMCs can no longer be hit by blasts, even with Skyfire?

>Q: Can units that are Battle Brothers embark in each other’s Transport vehicles during deployment?
>A: No.

>Q: Can units from two Detachments with the same Faction embark in each other’s Transport vehicles during deployment?
>A: Yes.

Jolly good, glad they sorted that out.

>>50350932
Yup.

>>50350925
Oh for acolytes sure, not not as real scouts

>>50350938
Oh hell yes, my day just keeps getting better!

>>50350939
I only ever used Sniper Rifles in Imperial Guard lists. What makes a scout squad with 4 Sniper Rifles not worth bringing?

>>50350827
your group probably has an old holdover from 4th/5th. hell even vehicles snapfire when they go 12".

>>50350884
chariots are a unit, not a transport. the rider counts as stationary but since the burning chariot is fast he can move 12" and kill what he likes

though now i'm curious if you can tank shock then charge a unit with a chariot

what is the current Mk armor used by chaos?

>>50351003
II-VII

>>50350920
That ruling has been around for a while. Rip tankbustas.

>>50350879

I read the rulebook but one of the players claimed the FAQ changed that for dark eldar (obviously incorrectly)

>>50350988

>hell even vehicles snapfire when they go 12

Not if they are Fast Skimmers.

>>50351003
MkII-IV.

>>50351013
Orks now have no good way of dealing with armour great.

>>50350932
The whole hit by blasts thing was introduced by Death from the Skies. The BRB has always held the ruling that they cannot.

Am I the only one who posts in this thread who doesn't actually play the game?

I'm too poor senpai

>>50350920
On one hand, before this was clarified I also accepted "throw" only meant shooting phase. But on the other hand, I am sho am glad my rhinos and dreadnoughts won't get fucked to death by a clusterrape of krak grenades now.

>>50351013
>That ruling has been around for a while.

As the drafts. Now they got an official release and nothing has changed.

>>50351010
>>50351003
>>50351023
so what does the base set of chaos space marines have? from gw site

>>50351058

They don't have standardized armour. It's whatever they can scavenge.

Whelp grenades are still fucked for some reason. why, geedubs, why?

>>50351019
"oh thats cool, can you show me?"

Question about the blast template scattering onto skimmers.

If the skimmer was already targeted under the blast but the centered target was a different unit, does it still get to jink? The blast was placed before scatter was rolled so technically it's targeted but my friends and myself to some extent believe they won't get to jink.

Example:
I have a squad of reavers in between 2 venoms super close together. A large blast is centered on the reavers, hitting both the venoms as well. Do they get to jink or not assuming a direct hit or scatter that still clips them both

>>50351058
with the way mutations, scavenging and time distortions work that's not something we can really answer.

>>50351084
possibly not since they didn't declare jink before shooting

>>50351074

Yeah I know but ignorance is bliss, when close friends who've been playing for 15+ years tell you something good like that you don't look a gift horse in the mouth

>>50351084
They reversed the "if your unintentionally hit, you can still jink!" rulings everywhere. (beams, scattering blasts) assume you can't jink unless your specifically targeted.

>>50351038
No, I played back in 5th and visit the thread now and again to see how the game is doing. Don't play anymore since the actual game is trash

>>50351098

So if they declared jink before the scatter dice were rolled that would be fine?

>>50351100
Oh yeah of course. I have it lucky and just seem to memorize rules after reading them so I'm always skeptical of something that isn't familiar to me

>>50351084
If you go purely RAW, it can't, because it was never "targeted" by the attack. You declare a jink as soon as the attack is declared against the unit. It requires clarification on what "targeted" means when declaring a shooting attack.

>>50351049
Meanwhile all the units that relied on anti-tank bombs got fucked. What good is Demolition doctrine when buying melta-bombs for the sergeant is just as good? Or 30k, where several units can buy melta-bombs, but if they do, all models must buy them. Relied on melta-bomb squads to deal with souped up Spartans? Fuck you!

>>50351058
MK 4 greaves
MK 3-5 chestplates
unknown pattern flared gloves
unknown pattern power supply
unknown pattern helmet (Looks mostly like modified VII)

>>50351100
man fuck that, i had some dudes i was playing with telling me the rubric of ahriman made all the 1k sons dust not just the weaker members. if you got a doubt you should look it up or know how to argue it.

but be warned that it makes the game longer when you have to look up obscure or rarely used rules

So when are the new Chaos Space Marines due? Early next year?

>>50351106

That's going to make for some hairy times when disembarking my venoms then, but makes sense. Already had the tau and IG players say they're gonna abuse the hell out of it

>>50351146
dec 3

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>>50351058
MkII-IV.

If you look at old art, just about every mark has MkVI greaves and MkV torso. Those models were made back when GW didn't give that many shits about armour autism.

>>50351129
>What good is Demolition doctrine when buying melta-bombs for the sergeant is just as good?

You'll still have a chance to demo something if he gets picked out, I guess?

>>50350871
>No more Toe In Cover bullshit.

Tyranids confirmed deader than dead. Monstrous Creatures are now either disgustingly broken or utter trash with no middle ground.

>>50351186
Totally worth 25pts. extra.

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>>50351153
>>50351146
It's not a codex, it's a supplement which means it's still going to have unit prices from the base codex. Which means unless GW pulls some insane shenanigans and just slathers on underpriced/free buffs everywhere, it's still going to be shit because having those things are mandatory to make many of the units even mediocre.

Ksons are still 300 points for a squad of 10 in a rhino. Warp Talons are still . . . no, I don't want to type it, it hurts too bad. Legion rules are a step in the right direction but trying to fix the CSM codex with a supplement at this point is putting lipstick on a pig, why didn't they just make a new codex and put legion rules in it? Why?

>>50351252
Can't release a new codex when we just got a supplement so we get another supplement which increases the period of time until we can get another codex. 6e Codex for life it seems

>>50351252
>Ksons are still 300 points for a squad of 10 in a rhino.

Keep in mind that the new Thousand Sons kit includes Flamers and a fancy Rotary Cannon thing, so their rules must be changing, at the very least to provide them with those options. It's possible GW might tweak them in other ways while they're at it.

Everything else is shit out of luck though.

>>50351252
Ask GW, not /tg/.

>>50351252
there will be rubicae and scarab occult terminators. Those units will have their own dataslates, and will potentially have their own points costs.

Take a look at the GSC genestealers vs tyranid codex genestealers for the sort of dynamic changes the are willing to take.

>>50351252

7e is dead in the water so they aren't updating codxes anymore.

>>50351252
Raziel said in the last thread they were updating point values. And there's precedent, they gave different rules & points costs to GSC purestrain genestelers for example.

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>>50351252

Unless they pull some inane assbuttfuckery, there's no way 1KSons would not get annihlated on the table every single time.

>>50351279
Maybe GW doesn't want to update the CSM codex because it's one of their bestselling items? I'm don't know shit about this so I'm just spitballing, but perhaps the reason GW is hesitant to release a new CSM codex is because the old one is selling like hotcakes and they haven't reached a number that says "okay, shit out a new one now". If it aint broke, don't fix it. So they have this product selling so well and it's pointless to stop milking it by making it obsolete, maybe somehow the CSM codex is one of the bestselling codexes they have or something.

>>50351252
They're doing minor stuff that will be better forwards compatible with 8th. Just enjoy some new toys in the meantime.

>>50351325
No. They update the Space Marine codex at every opportunity and it's a popular as it gets, and it's not even like CSM are the oldest codex.

>>50351325
>ancient, shitty codex
>Bestselling

With how chaosfags are, I'd believe it.

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So how's the mortar? Too big, way too big or big but I can get away with it?

>>50351347
maybe they have different standards that dictate how they make these decisions. since the loyalists are by far the posterboys of the franchise, they work on a different level of consideration

>>50351325
I know there's been at least 3 chaos players starting in the last 2 months at my store, including myself, so I wouldn't be shocked

>>50351363
most people who play 40k do not know the CSM codex is bad. you can probably find multiple "CSM are overpowered" threads on dakkadakka from this month.

>>50351364
My biggest issue is mortars aren't fired at that angle. Needs to be pointed upwards when you actually glue it, at that angle the size of the weapon does indeed look goofy.

just bought Planetary onslaught, its really cool
Now i want to make a planetary onslaught campaign.....

>>50351252
My question was about the basic CSM squad...
You know, to get them more in line with Dark Vengeance Chosen, Warp Talons/Raptors and so on.

>>50351414
Sorry, I meant to say "Petard". My memory is fucking with me

>>50351384
Honestly I think they just see this as "Angels of Death" for Chaos. You're over thinking things.

>>50351146
No rumors whatsoever

>>50350762
Is torchstar a waifu now?

>>50351444
The chosen are such stunning models, shame they're so horribly equipped

>>50351499
thats up to you,you should know that answer yoruself

So I want to make an Egyptian-themed loyalist chapter, based around using a large amount of Dreadnoughts.

What do you guys think of the name "Death Lords"? Too close to Death Guard?

I've yet to decide on a founding chapter too.

>>50351019
Works differently for DEldar anyway, since their vehicles are Fast Skimmers. Heck, they can even pull down upgrades which let them move even further.

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>>50351510
Don't have a pic of them finished atm I converted the DV chosen into a plasma gun squad, giving them different ranged weapons isn't really a difficult conversion at all. Ranged weapons might be a marginally greater pain in the ass depending on what you want to do, but then again
>melee chosen

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>>50351499
/tg/ will waifu basically anything female in the 41st millennium.

>>50350470
yeah. This. I will still play them and have fun with my DE army.

Despite selling my GK and DA

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>>50351038

I post here but I'm a collector and partaker of the lore. I stopped playing during 6th edition. I'm not poor, I own 3 armies and still buy models for all of them.

>>50351544
>ranged weapons might be
*melee weapons, fuck

>>50351544
Nicely done, I'm still accumulating bits and have my DV chosen painted from before I realised they were shite. Likely to pick up some more from ebay to convert

>>50351527

Go Tomb, Sphinx, Pharaoh (claim it's a title from their Homeworld), or something. "Death Lords" is okay, but doesn't capture the Egyptian theme at all, or really separate them from the endless hordes of marines.

>>50351038
I rarely ever play games because I have only painted 7 of my units since I started in 2013, and I feel bad but man I really hate painting so I just don't play.

>>50351579

I was going to keep Pharaoh as their Chapter Master title.

(Also their Chapter Master is a dreadnought.)

>>50351252

Literally just use 30k rules.

Your life and army will be better.

>>50351038
I'm 2 poor to have army. Just watching thread for news abot 40k.

>>50351579

As for founding Chapter, Ultramarines aren't a bad choice. Rome and Egypt are two of the most commonly cited empires in the world. Of course, if you want a fancy backstory, you could always rip one out of the Blood Ravens (possible) book and say that no one knows, but really it's the Death Guard.

>>50351527
The Lords of Osiris.

>>50351579
>>50351527
"Tomb Lords" is a cool name. Would feed into the Dread theme too.

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Question about Dark eldar since this is a dark eldar thread

What are some good kill team lists?

So far I only have the start collecting box + another box of warriors and was wondering what are some good units to start out with

so far my list is 10 warriors (Sab upgrade), 3 reavers, and a raider at 193 points

>>50351647

I dunno. I put "Tomb" kinda reluctantly. Doesn't it reach too far into the Necron dictionary?

>>50351527
Name them Tomb Kings

>>50351669

That was my first kneejerk idea, then it occured to me.

>>50351647
>>50351661

Yeah, when I see "tomb" in relation to 40k, I automatically assume Necrons.

>>50350721
Q: If a unit includes multiple Psykers – e,g, Independent Characters, or Brotherhood of Psykers – can they cast the same power (e.g. Psychic Shriek) multiple times, once for each Psyker?
A: No.

Tzeralds and Horrors nerf.

Otherwise, >>50350395 fuck yes.

>>50351661
Lord of the Nile

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So I need some help with a mindset I've gotten from playing solely against a Tau player. I'm going to start bringing my my army to a local game store on the weekends to enjoy some causal fights, but I think my army won't quite function. You see, I hate my friends Riptide. He runs one at basically every points level. So I have done everything I possibly can to give my CSM as much AP2 as possible. Is that going to be an issue in a normal game? Will it be seen as cheesy or is just a massive waste of points? I've always wanted Lighting Claw termies, but I have to run Axes and fists. Plasma out the butt on my Chaos Marines, Meltas on Raptors. Is my army just all sorts of fucked up now or is keeping up the AP2 numbers worth it?

>>50351641
The Sons of Isis

Bring lots of meltabombs.

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>>50351593
it!S okay anon, I bought warriors of the fang last year around this date and only manage to assemble <10 marines. I magnetize a fewof them though.

>>50351692
>Nerf

It's a FAQ, If you get "nerfed", you were doing it wrong.

>>50351579
Are the "Night Guard" their worst nemesis?

>>50351692
>Tzeralds and Horrors nerf.
It's like they want us to play summon factories...

>>50351695
If you can't murder it fast, don't waste time on it.
Take away it's support instead.

>>50351719

I mean its a cool way of changing how tyrannids work but the model is just so shit

>>50351695
CSM terminators are best when cheap anyway, axe/combi-plasma is their best loadout. Maybe melta but the issue is actually getting in melta range, since they don't have DS mitigation anymore the odds of you getting actual melta rules are nearly fuck and all. So I like to DS them and still be able to double tap with plasma.

Plasma is fine on regular marines too. Basically CSM are shit no matter what but perhaps if you post your list it could be decided if you're doing the best you can or fucking things up even worse than they inherently are.

>>50351594
Tomb/Sarcophagus Knights?

Since dreadnoughts are like tombs to half-dead marines.

>>50350937
So Space Marine super conglomerate and Ork party buses are saved, everyone else can go fuck themselves.

>>50351038
I've played once, but I'm usually to busy with grad school to play. Can't wait til after finals though

>>50350730
It's always been this way in 7th. That's why people run gargoyles as cover screens.

Nids being trash is not news.

>>50351527
How about you call them the Tomb Kings?

>>50350987
Generally, whatever you'd shoot at with the snipers you'd be able to shoot with bolters and wound at more or less the same values, but being able to move first and fire twice if in rapid fire range.
>>50350874
I really like scouts with whatever gear you give them, just had very bad luck with snipers. Bought the Armourbane S6 AP3 sniper from the Raven Guard relics and didn't hit a single shot all game.

The thing about scouts is that they are meant for harassment duty -- for instance, the other day I infiltrated 5 shotgun scouts near a couple of whirlwinds in my opponents backfield, hidden behind cover and under the effective fire range after the scout move, and destroyed them both.

You gotta make maximum use of the special rules you pay for -- scout, infiltrate and move through cover.

>>50350809
Kill yourself faggot.

>tfw you spend time at work thinking up new models and modification sprues to preexisting ones
Picking up 40K figures after a long absence was a good albeit expensive decision, but damn if it doesn't worm its way into my everyday life now.

>>50351769
>Space Marine super conglomerate
What marines ever rode in other marines transports?

>>50350932
They never could. Jesus Christ 99% of the FAQ isn't adding anything new it's just clarifying things that have always been so to people who are apparently too retarded to read the damn rulebook.

If I buy cheap chinese recasts, do they come in sprues like the regular GW product? Or as full models?

>>50351769
>Space Marine super conglomerate
Space Marines with different Chapter Tactics are treated as different Factions as per the Chapter Tactics special rule, so no worries.

>>50351711

Here's my question then, if a Herald is in a unit of horrors, and the horrors cast Flickering Fire, can I use the BS of the Herald?

>>50351846
it varies

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>>50351832
tfw to smart to follow GW's rules when the ones I invented in my memories are better

>>50351853
>When shooting can one model use another models BS?

>>50351853
Why would you?
The Horrors manifested, not the Herald. So the Horrors would use their own BS skill.

>>50351846
there are a bunch of different chink vendors and I've never purchased from them but literally every picture I've seen of these recasts is either just a bunch of bits dumped in a ziploc bag, or on their own special bootleg chink sprue that is nothing like GW sprues

At what point amount is it acceptable to run flyers?

>>50351880

It's a legitimate question.

>>50351892

The horrors manifest it, but my herald can't manifest his own. By that logic, I can assume that the unit as a whole manifested the power, so why wouldn't I be able to use the Heralds BS?

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>>50351706
I swear I rotated that picture so it would show properly...

>>50351897
1 every ~250 points or so starting at 1250.

>>50351853

Can't you just have the herald manifest flickering fire? Since he would auto know the primaris of change in addition to other powers.

>>50351924
>Q: If a unit includes multiple Psykers – e,g, Independent Characters, or Brotherhood of Psykers – can they cast the same power (e.g. Psychic Shriek) multiple times, once for each Psyker?
>A: No.

>>50351921
phone posters reeeeeeeee

>>50351918
Assumptions and logical conclusions don't work with 40k rules.

>>50351861
>>50351893

But they're still in bits that I get to assemble then, yeah?

>new Lore of Change, all powers force successful dtw rolls be rerolled
>Primaris: +2 to invulns, passed saves reflect s3 ap3 blind hits back
>1: reroll all to hit rolls for one unit for one turn
>2: pick the result of one dice in your turn
>3: a unit's weapons gain Force
>4: 3d6" S: d6 AP: d6 Assault d6 Witchfire
>5: you an opponent roll off and add the number of WC you want to spend, loser takes the difference in totals in Perils rolls
>6 - 12" S: D AP- line, starts at -2 on the D table but you can spend extra warp charges to offset this
>Magnus gets the Rubric too, 12" Nova that works like Mind War and transforms things it kills into new 1kSons/Spawn

>>50351927
HE can use the power dice generated by the horrors and manifest it INSTEAD of them.

>>50351927

no, not manifest flickering fire twice, just have him manifest it.

>>50351954
IT VARIES

Not every chinacaster is the same, some do rough assembly and then case, some spruecast, some skip small parts then can't recast porperly

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>>50351960

>Primaris: +2 to invulns, passed saves reflect s3 ap3 blind hits back

>>50351954
afaik yes, I've never seen then come as already assembled as in like a model that is one chunk of plastic. but then again like I said I've never bought from these chinese recasters but I really doubt any of them is doing that

>>50351313
This.

Thousand Sons and Traitor Legions are going to do what GSC did - use an existing kit with existing rules but make a new better unit with a slightly different name out of it, just like Genestealers -> Purestrain Genestealers, or even, for example, how Khorne Daemons in KDK have Fearless instead of Daemonic Instability.

Expect stuff like "Night Talons" replacing Warp Talons for Night Lords, etc. using the same models but with updated rules including new special rules and better points costs.

I know Chaos players are abused and fragile things who instinctively recoil at the thought of their hopes and dreams being shattered again by another new release that promises to be their salvation but turns out to be garbage, but I think that GW is finally dying. Traitor's Hate was their last phoned in release which they needed to get out of the way so they could do this.

We New Golden Age 40k now.

>>50351897
Depends on the flier, 1k is fine for one of most fliers. 2 at 1500 is passable if you give the opponent a heads up, just don't go full WAAC

>>50351960
>all powers force successful dtw rolls be rerolled
no way

>>50351918
>>50351853
Read "Brotherhood of psykers/sorcerers" from the Special rules section. First bullet point.

>>50351918
>The horrors manifest it, but my herald can't manifest his own
so just manifest it with the herald then

>>50351960

D Beam, o fun, no jinking out of this shit.

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>>50351987
>existing kit

>>50350439
>>50350527

Dark Eldar need all the help they can get. It's not like good passenger rules is going to save 90% of the army from being hard countered by random boltgun fire.

>>50351960
Thats fake. 100% guaranteed. Screencap this post.

Some anon posted it here first, no source, no backup on his claims.

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>>50351960
>2++ invul save on terminators that blind opponents who shoot at them

>>50352032
I'm obviously referring to the other units who aren't getting updated models before the release of the Traitor Legions book, dumbass. Did you not see the Warp Talons example in my post?

>>50351987
i agree, the new 1k sons official name is "rubric marine" i know thats what the full name of them is but in CSM codec its just thousand sons.

can easily be updated version like purestain genestealers for sure.

>>50352045
3++ isn't it? 5-2=3

>>50352048
Why'd you say Thousand Sons if they aren't reusing old kits?

>>50352067
Temrinator 5++
Mark of Tzeentch -1
Power -2

>>50352035
Agreed.

>>50350751

>tfw no more deploying tanks sideways then pivoting to get a couple free inches forward

>>50352078
Fucking tzeentch

>>50352069
They are, they're using the old Tzeentch Horrors kit but with new unit entries.

>>50351989
What about something like remora drones, at 90 points a piece I run 2 of them at 1k since they still take up less than 20% of my points cost?

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>>50352082

>mfw I use to do that and felt dirty every time

>>50351987
Since Tzeentch is the patron of the Ksons dex, GW will stay in character by having the god of hope offer the possibility of greatness but then snatch it away just as planned.

The traitor legions supplement presumably contains rules for all legions (so Ksons . . . twice?) and will reflect the nature of all gods. First you'll be mad as fuck when you read how Khorne got shafted again, then you'll excessively purchase several models anyway like a Slaaneshi retard, and finally the book will be shipped with anthrax powder for that Nurgly touch and because the UK is full of terrorist muslims now

>>50352096
Those are Daemons not Thousand Sons.

>>50352103
Go shitpost elsewhere, you aren't amusing.

>>50350874

They excel at being cheaper than tacticals, while also getting to ambush the hell out of the enemy.

>>50352115
They're in the Thousand Sons Codex you pedantic twat. The post was referring to the books "Codex: Thousand Sons" and "Codex Supplement: Traitor Legions", holy shit, learn some reading comprehension.

>Q: Do plasma cannons and other Gets Hot Blast weapons benefit from rules that allow them to re-roll To Hit rolls of 1? For example, a Clan Raukaan character wearing the Tempered Helm nominates a unit of friendly Devastators to re-roll To Hit rolls of 1 in this Shooting phase. These Devastators are all equipped with plasma cannons. Do they get to re-roll the Gets Hot roll if it comes up as 1?
>A: Yes.

Fuck yes, plasma tanks are back on the table

>>50352117
Stop /pol/lution report toxic waste to the authorities.

>>50352100
And people wonder why the FAQ's got such obvious answers in them...

>>50352097
Post the rules buddy, I don't know forge world tau statlines

>>50352117
Then stop feeding me (You)s, Abdul.

>>50352152
Abdul was the name of the guy I shot with a .50 cal in Afghanistan, eurocuck.

>>50352137

Plasma tanks? I'm bringing plasma devastators, bitch!

>>50352151
So they are 90 points each
AV10 all round
1 Twin linked long barrelled burst cannon: S5 AP5 Assault 6 36 inch
1 Networked markerlight
2 seeker missiles
BS3
2HP
Deep Strike
Hover
Shrouded

>>50352078
>>50352090

If this is true (I doubt it), then I'm buying every Chaos terminator I can find on eBay for maximum termie spam.

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Fun fact.

Imperial agents is a standalone Codex.

Traitor legions is just a Supplement.

>>50352202
They cost 72 points each with combi bolter and power sword.

>>50352205
Almost like Imperial Agents doesn't have an existing Codex to draw from while Chaos does?

>>50352205
You said this fact was going to be fun.

>>50352193
I bet your local 1000pt players love you, two of those doesn't sound fun at all

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>>50352205
is the wrath of magnus book just a fluff + formation book? if i made a 1k sons army would i only need the traitor legions book?

>>50352045

Mark of Tzeentch can't increase an invuln save past 3++, unless they change its rules.

>>50352078
Might be even better. See those models? Those are Tartaros armors. Whats special about that? They didnt have relentless but instead had Slow&Purposeful... and 4++. So they might actually have inbuilt 3++ due tartaros 4++ and MoT +1inv combining.

...Which is 2++ anyway with that power but hey! Inbuilt stormshields!

>>50352239
Most likely the other way around

>>50351960
Christ, now that "leak" who someone came up in previous thread is spreading like ebola, already in Faet and Bols and being quoted as an actual leak from a trustworthy and reliable source.

Now we have to suffer through a week of people crying about magnus with re-rollable 2++ save oneshotting stormsurges with autodeleting D-shots until the actual scans come out next week.

>>50352235
Well since they can't take vehicle battle systems I had both taken out by an early warning override riptide wing and their sms. Is a riptide wing in 1000 points worse than 2 of those drones?

>>50352239
It's a campaign book, so.. a few formations, a named captain level character and maybe some premade units with locked wargear but special rules.

>>50352242
It wouldn't be, the psychic power is what takes it past the 4++

>>50352253
really?

>>50352250
3++, but yes.

That's what I'm hoping too.

Just curious how the Rubrics flamers will work.

>>50352260
Yes. What the fuck kind of store do you play at where people field a Wing at 1000

>>50352254

Fuck Stormsurges.

#makechaosgreatagain

>>50350762
>Torchstar is best waifu
that explains why GW killed her in warzone damocles

>>50352205
Well, of course. And thats good... For CSM. When they get a new dex Traitor Legions will just modify the base codex.

>>50352250
No, you are thinking catiphracti terminator armor. Tarteros lets you sweep.

>>50352284
>Fuck Stormsurges.

With a slaaneshi titan strapon

>#makechaosgreatagain

>>50352307
Oh? Well fuck that then.

>>50352307
But you can't sweep with S&P

>>50352174
Abdul was one of the names of that basketball player who trained with Bruce Lee, Warcrimesboy.

>>50352205
Fun fact.

Angels of Death was a supplement.
Which is exactly what Traitor Legions is. A supplement to its parent codex.

>>50352321
Is that why thousand sons are so dusty?

>>50352321
Chaos, amirite?

>>50352321
Exactly. They get no benefit from it.

>>50352254
>magnus with re-rollable 2++
But Anon, Magnus will be a Daemon of Tzeentch for rerolling 1's and a Daemon, so the Grimore of True Names / Cursed Earth will affect him.

I can make Magnus have a 2++ rerollable using existing tools if I wanted.

>I won't because I don't play CSM, more of Daemons of Tzeentch kind of guy.

>>50352283
I have the most WAAC store ever.
1 eldar who spams D wraiths like it's nothing.
1 Necron who runs croissants in every game
1 Tank IG
1 farsight player who spams riptides
1 csm and 1 ork player who do nothing but paint since their armies are shit and their poor (chinaman a plenty for them)
1 Grey knight player who is just cancer
And one space marine player who runs drop pods out his ass with a thunderhawk.
Welcome to Australia and it's gw stores

>>50352032
>realize that the TSons Sorcerer looks fucking great
>wanna get it before GW removes it from the site
>check the site just now
>it's gone forever
Oh joy.

>>50352337
ayyyyyy lmao

>>50350575
Explain this faulty statement, what strenghts do you find in Bangles?

>>50352416
>1 Necron who runs croissants in every game
Didn't they die in 7th?

>>50352416
Get them to stop, or illuminate them with the power of skyhammer.

So should I go Eldar or Tzeentch for dominating the magic phase?

>>50352418
It'll return as a 20$ single model

>>50352390
>2++ rerollable with FNP 5+ will ignore 107/108 wounds
GUARD OR DIE

>>50352418
had 2 blisters of em for about 6years, never played chaos

>>50352436
No such thing.

>>50352441

You faggots will get it from the chinks for $5 anyway so it doesn't matter.

>>50352416
>cancerous Grey Knights
How so?

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>>50352450
Psychic phase. You know what I meant you autist.

>>50352429
I don't have much knowledge of necrons, but only the SM Player and I have flyers aside from him, and aside from the IG player and I, aa is hard to come by.
>>50352435
I'll show them once I get my Barracuda-ax-5-2 and tear them a new one with deep striking S10 ap1

>>50352445
Rev up those D-weapons 'cuz we are sending this huge nerd back to warp!

>>50352441
>>50352447
Ok wait nevermind lol
http://www.ebay.com/itm/40K-Chaos-Space-Marines-Tzeentch-Thousand-Sons-Finecast-Sorcerer-/221742213884?hash=item33a0ddaafc:g:4TEAAOSwBahVKlnQ

>>50352463
500 point game, runs a command termi squad (I don't know grey knight units, his entire army was 1 squad) with plasma siphon. And then teleports behind my army and spams psychic shit out the ass, Insta deathing my commander. Pay in mind this was my first game ever, so I was running the contents of the old start collecting box.

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>>50352489
get one before it turns into $300 tomb kings

>>50352481
Now all you need to do is hit, get a high enough result to kill him and get through the 1/36 chance of him failing his Invulnerable

>>50352541
Jesus christ

>>50352578

C-3P0 was right, said no one ever.

>>50352541
That had to be some Paladins, possibly a Librarian, allied with an Inquisitor. Pure Grey Knights don't have access to plasma siphon.

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>>50352541

It was an important life lesson. It taught you the pain of WAAC.

>>50352416
>>50352429

Nothing wrong with croissants now.

They even lost skyfire and can't snap-shot tesla rule. If he is not spamming wraiths it's pretty much fine.

>>50352455
>Resin

Never.

>>50352578
The nice thing about D is that it allows you to bypass saves. Only reason to tolerate it, really. To deal with all the 2++++++ rerollables.

>>50352578
You only need to roll 6 - it ignores all saves and does at least 7 wounds min.

>>50352638
>all the 2++++++ rerollables.
All of 1?

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>>50352481
This is why the emprah gave us hellfrost weaponry :^)

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>>50352627

Join the Chink Side. Only then will you know true power.

>>50352671
>All of 1?
you mean however many you want with tzeentch daemons?
or any unit with sanctuary/stormshield/veil of time?

>>50352695
Nope, resin is garbage, can't take plastic glue, had no gravitas and deforms.

>>50351527

Choose Iron Hands as your founding chapter, you want your Dreadnoughts to self-repair, right?

>>50352715

You can never reroll a reroll.

>>50352638
>>50352647
I forgot about Deathblow, that's not so bad then actually. Still a nightmare for most armies though

>>50352463
I have a GK friend that's gotten pretty cancerous who wins through slaughtering everyone with Libbies, Dreadknights and Draigo in deathstar, and is now pushing everyone in the immediate friend group to get cancerous stuff ourselves (convincing our SM player to go grav spam, telling me to get more Riptides, etc). I mean what can people do against invisible 2++ rerollable with FNP? We can't even play objectives because he has vehicles and deep strike mobility to teleport, cleansing flame, assault etc. He's the only one who can use D with our current armies, and no one has super heavies. I have no clue how to play against that, so we agreed not to play each other since it's always in his favor.

>Page 27 – The Psychic Phase, Witchfire Add the following sentence after the fourth sentence of the first paragraph:‘However, some witchfire powers do not have a weapon profile (such as the Telepathy power, Psychic Shriek); where this is the case, no To Hit roll is required – the attack hits automatically.’

Genestealer Patriarchs with Telepathy just got even better

>>50352612
Would have been
>Librarian
>5 man Terminator squad
>Terminator Inquisitor

...In fact, that means not only is the guy a WAAC douchebag, but also a cheater as only Ordo Xenos inquisitors can take Siphons, and they can't take Terminator armour and thus can't deepstrike.

t. fellow gk ausfailian.

>>50352798
Shove Culexus assassins up his ass till his eyeballs bleed.

>>50351648
Don't waste your money on witches, they're a waste of space now. Get some scrouges, more reavers. Maybe some more warriors to build as highborne.

>>50352798
Jesus christ that's horrifying
Does he not realise if you all go maximum WAAC he'll cap out way below you guys?

>>50352268

But it does, because current Thousand Sons have an Aura of Dark Glory and the Mark of Tzeentch to get their 3+. Much like you're not allowed to fire your Heavy Bolters first then your Battle Cannon and still shoot at full BS, you can't say 'Well the MoT takes me to the 3+ and then I use other stuff to go the rest of the way'.

>>50352816
That or Sisters of Silence right?

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>Rules don't apply to units inside vehicles unless specifically stated
>Units inside the vehicle however do count as scouting
>Units inside vehicles do not count as jinking


Why? Why yes for one and no for the other?

They truly hate Orks and Blitz Brigade.

>>50352810
True. I think they could've only been Paladins if he ran them as a 3-man squad. Although, I think he might've rolled the Gate of Infinity power, too. For the "teleports behind me" part.

>>50352816
Don't even need a Cullexus to trigger me, just an Inquisitor with a Null rod in a blob squad of Acolytes/Crusaders triggers me.

>>50352846
I think he wants to prevent everyone from refusing games with him by raising the power level, yet he despises D since he'd get no saves lmao.

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>>50352864

>>50352864

Fuck Blitz Brigade and their pamphlets of rules.

>>50352861
The culexus get killier the more psykers there are.

A GK squad is like pure PCP for him.

>>50352798
Your lowest-investment to turning the tide more in your favor would be Inquisitors and Assassins.

Otherwise S8/S10 since Instant Death tells T4/T5 FnP to fuckoff.

But yeah I'd suggest not playing against him since he sounds like a twat.

>>50352864
The funniest part for me was:
>Q: If veil of darkness deepstrike misshaps me to ongoing reserves, can I come into play with deepstrike? A: If the unit has deep strike.

>Q: If gate of infinity deepstrike misshaps me to ongoing reserves, can I come into play with deepstrike? A: Yes.

>>50352856
Terminators 5++ > MoT 4++ (possibly AoDG to 3+) means the model plays at 3++ or 4++, both within MoT rules
The spell is a one turn effect taking place within the game turn and not list building so has to happen after, it's not optional like firing order

>>50350656

I can see it. Only if they change the mark of tzeench rules though

Expensive troops with good weapons that can shoot magic lazors and are very hard to kill

So are Raiders more viable now? Or is it still not worth it over a Venom?

>>50352416

Which store in Aus is this? My local GW here is fucking cancer too. Town Hall

>>50352798

>telling me to get more Riptides

You play Tau, and you're complaining about Grey Knights?

Also play smaller games. If he's bringing Draigo and Libbies and Dreadknights and a squad of Terminators or Paladins to bulk out the deathstar and Purifiers for Cleansing Flame and Stormravens as you claim he has vehicles, you're giving him too many points to play with.

Spam Interceptor and make his expensive inefficient Deep Strikers cry.

GK are good for one Deathstar and a couple of strikers in the form of DKs, but other than filling your 2 Heavy Support slots with Dreadknights and building one good unit with Draigo/Libby/Terminators, basically the entire Codex is a pile of garbage.

>>50353007
Raiders are shit by design, stick with the venoms.

>>50352950
>>50352956

I believe the new Tzeentch primaris will give a 2++ to models that already have a 4++ even without the Mark of Tzeentch.

In other words, if you have an Exalted Sorcerer with Sigil of Corruption, it will get a 2++ from the spell.

>>50352806
>Genestealer Patriarchs with Telepathy just got even better
I think you mean "have always been this good"

FAQs do not change rules (for the most part, I know some do. this one didn't)

>>50352861
Culexus is a lot scarier.

>>50353045

>Shit by design

Why

>>50353046

Lookin good but I wonder what theyll do with Nurgle and plague marines then

Maybe give them a blight grenade explosion on a roll of dice at the time of death ?

>>50352944
And those two are literally one right after the other

>>50353039
Sounds like he's a chill Tau player though. I'm betting 1 Rip, 1 broadside, a Stormsurge if over 2k and actual painted fire warriors

>>50353039
I keep seeing posts about 1000 pt games, I'll probably give that a shot.

>>50352810
Slightly related question, but is there a canon picture of the plasma syphon?

>>50352944
Why must necrons be merged so, esp. Monoliths?...

Anyone have the non-fucked Planetary Onslaught epub?

>>50353090
Restriction can be fun, its why I never leave the 1500 point range.

Too much and the game just becomes shit Why I never understand this Apoc bullshit

>>50353090
BEST FUCKING LEVEL
GK get their Star neutered or it takes the majority of their budget and they are a reasonable kill. It's hard to be bullshit at 1000 and its obvious at List stage

>>50353080
1 Rip, 1 Broadside no Stormsurges. I play with the contingents so I have a good reason to take Hammerheads, Fire Warriors, Pathfinders over Drones etc. i've played against Mc spam Tau, and I hated it. At least I can at least claim to be balanced and fun with my opponents.

>>50353148
The Tau player we need, but not the one we deserve

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>>50353112

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I love based Iron Warriors

Also, I hope they get some heavy weapons-tanks special rules with the traitor legins thing

>>50352032
Wait, is having FIVE flamers AND an assault cannon in a standard squad allowed now?

>>50353180
What if I want to read it on my tablet?

>>50353178
>tfw there's probably a few of us in the threads but don't like to mention because foaming-at-the-mouth anti-Taufags instantly go off on anyone who plays the faction

You think 12 genestealers, 8 with toxin sacs and 4 with adrenal glands, would make for a decent kill team? I was oggling Lost Patrol and having an instant Tyranid Kill Team as well as a few scouts along with a full game seems like a decent deal.

>>50353205
Not an assault cannons, but it looks like it.

>>50353194
As if they'll get more than something like angry demon tank soul that grants their landraider's lascannons to be twinlinked.

Seeing as though the Tau players are here now, I have a set of question for you guys.
If I take a commander with 2 gun drones and a drone controller, can you join a squad of 4 marker drones and have the drone controller affect all of them?
Will the gun drones auto pass los?
If you also took counterfire defence system as well, do the drones get bs2 on overwatch from cds and dc as well?
If you instead took vectored retro thrusters, whose initiative do you use for hit and run?

>>50353217
Kobo on android

If you're on iOS just buy the book since you like throwing money away.

so is the maleceptor any less shit now that it's psychic power autohits?

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>>50353221
I'm glad to see more of the respectable Tau players here.

>>50353221
Tau seem nice as a faction but they're the most easily broken so the brain dead WAAC fags go for them

>>50353221
Yeah, I play 1000 point games with no MCs as tau, never get any credit for not being a cunt

>chaos should be able to use 30k equipment!
>GW gives rotor cannons and the useless terminator variant

Oh GW, every day you surprise me.

>>50353263
No, its still Warp charge 2.

>>50353141
Eldar cad1:
Farseer
3xWindriders
3xWindriders
Wraithknight

Eldar cad2:
Autarch
3xWindriders
3xWindriders
Wraithknight

964/1000p
Has some room for upgrades, prolly jetbikes for bot HQ's or few scatter lasers for bikes. Knights do the heavy lifting while rest of the army stays in reserve and/or out of sight as long as possible.

>>50353255
Yes, no, no and Drone's I4.

>>50353126
>>50353141

1k THE ONE TRUE POINTS LEVEL.

Enough to have fun stuff, not enough to start dealing with bullshit.

>>50351960
>>2: pick the result of one dice in your turn
100% deathstrike blown on a D weapon, anyone?

>>50353296

You can bring a riptide wing in 1000 points. Or three wraithknights.

>>50353314
I can also bring a sledgehammer and some acetone to a 1000 point game but the people playing in this range have a distinct lack of dick in their mouths so I rarely have to field it.

>>50353295
For the counterfire system, I've seen lots of debate on forums and never a clear reason for one way or the other. Is there a FAQ for it? It seems like a shit piece of wargear of it doesn't synergise with dc.

>>50353330

There's nothing special about 1000 points is what I'm saying. Dicks will still be dicks. There needs to be point restrictions per slot choice.

Which codex is worst in game?

Chaos Space Marines
Blood Angels
Adepta Sororitas
Orks

>>50353239
Run them with GSC rules unless you have a Broodlord you want to throw in with them.

But yeah, Genestealer kill teams are cool, if yolo-y.

>>50351013

When I saw the link to the final version of the FAQ this morning, along with GW saying there had been sweeping changes, my heart leaped. I scanned through it frantically, trying to find the grenades, hoping beyond hope that my Tankbustas would be usable once more.

Words cannot express the sadness I felt when I saw that nothing had changed.

I'm happy for Dark Eldar players though. Now there is merely the long wait before the official Ork FAQ is released and I can get really fired up!

>>50353330
I once saw a guy field a tigershark A-X-1 in a 1000 point game, that was really autistic and he tabled the tank IG he was playing against

>>50353205
Nah, you can give the entire squad flamers if you want. Plus a cannon. So 8 Flamers and a Cannon. Or 9 Flamers if you don't want a cannon. 10 with no Aspiring Sorceror.

>>50353363
Are they better in the GSC codex? What's the difference between the two?

>>50353362
Orks.

Chaos dominate Orks.

Sororitas are flamer heaven.

Blood Angels are Space Marines with flamers.

Its undeniable.

>>50353250
Ok, my bad, question still stands. Standard squad (I'm assuming) Flamers still count as special weapons, yeah? Rotor cannon would be heavy, or at least another special. Since when has a standard squad been allowed to take FIVE special weapons AND a heavy or SIX special weapons if the rotorator's not a heavy? Or has the whole 30K Support Squad rules taken over 40K rules, in which case, that squad should ALL have flamers.

>>50353217
iBooks on ipad

>>50353362
Without supplements: Dark eldar. With supplements it is probably Orks. Sisters arent actually that terrible

>>50353386
GSC gets an extra attack, 5+ invulnerable save, and the superior GSC ambush table that can potentially let them enter reserve 6" from an enemy and assault the same turn.

>>50353379
So, the 30k Support Squads have now overtaken 40K tactical squads in the 40K rules. Wow.

>>50353314
But the point is very few people will, it's absolutely blatant that doing this will be frowned upon. It's also easily identified as utter bullshit

>>50353307
>>50353350
I feel like it's only worth it for spending spare points but I just take ATS.

>>50353255
1.This is answered by codex. (Independet characters and drones) In short: yes and yes.
2.Auto pass what? Line of sight?
3.This is a tricky one, cds says the model fires with bs2. Controller says drones use the controllers bs. I'd say if the controller fires overwatch then drones use the bs2 too. If controller doesn't (typical with buffmander w/o guns) fire overwatch, then drones are bs1.
4.You use the best characteristic available for the unit.