EDH/Commander General

>>50340118
Zedruu is a pretty good voltron too, slap auras on and donate them

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gitrog-in-paper/

Give me attention for fucks sake

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>>50340118
>Unconventional Voltron Commanders Edition

First for Doggo

>>50340118
I've always kind of wanted to run Mirri voltron but mono green really doesn't do anything with the archetype aside from auras and enchantresses.

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Anyone have any advice for pic related? Besides the 'run all the manlands and blightsteel colossus' strategy that I want to avoid.

>>50340216
You could run all legendaries and blightsteel colossus

>>50340216
High tide maybe?

Gives you combo lines if you don't polymorph into Palin+Deadeye, and maybe play Kid Jace as a random legendary for sick double tide lines.

>>50340251
In all seriousness though small legends and big nonlegends.dec would be pretty sweet

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Her first ability is deceptively strong.
Leave her alone, waiting for her to try and steal your creatures, and all of a sudden she's a flying 10/10 or more swinging for your face and ludicrous Commander damage.

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I feel like I hit a wall with my deck. The only way to improve it now is to spend a lot of money on the 3-color mana base (3 original duals, 2 enemy fetches, 3 filters). I don't think there are any nonlands that I would want and can't afford.

I just can't bring myself to spend that much on cards that only help me curve out occasionally. Yes, I am running plenty of other duals and multi-lands to not have a completely shit mana base. But it bugs me that my deck is sub-optimal, you know?

Do you have any budgetary concerns with your decks? Are you saving up? Do you just say "fuck it, it's an investment"? Do you just run 15 Zendikar Expeditions in your deck?

>>50340293
Is there a template/program for these higher quality alters?

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>>50340193
Make a black Mirri voltron.

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Post favorite voltron commander

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how do I build this? I tried loading it with defender creatures because it's funny and unexpected, but there just aren't enough wall activators so I think big asses without defender are best

I'm afraid the most consistent way to build it is a fat ass version of voltron but my friends are tired of my voltron builds :/

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>>50340519

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>>50340519
favorite or best?

>>50340525
big butts are really good, you're going to end with lots of treefolk. indomitable ancients are almost necessary. Things that give skulk are also amazing, particularly skeleton key. Retribution of the meek is really good too.

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>>50340709
This and Sidar Kondo for unblockable fatasses.

>>50340709
Meant to respond to >>50340525
but i'm sure he still saw it

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>>50340519

>>50340118
What can I do to improve the basic Meren of Clan Nel Toth deck?

>>50341208
Put in good ETB's and good death triggers?

>>50340538
Post your list?

>>50340216
she is better in the 99 of something like Talrand. Either way, you want a lot of token producers that arent creatures themselves, so you can morph into good stuff. Things like Thopter Spy Network work well.

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How good is pic related? It seems really good with things like Glare of Heresy, or is it a trap?

>>50341304
She's long retired and I can't be arsed to make a list, but if you have any particular questions I can answer them.

It's a draw-go voltron archetype, where much of the deck is instant speed control, a handful of artifact tutors and a handful of equipment and auras. You don't need much ramp as Wydwen dodges the commander tax, although mana rocks are still good to do multiple things, then you can transmute them into the sword you want.

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>>50341400
He has cute interactions like Earnest Fellowship, but risks running out of steam like all other mono white generals.

>>50341400
Eight's one of the better mono white generals for what that's worth, but mono white isn't any good except maybe some ruthless Hokori stax decks. And even that I'm not sure about.

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>>50340519

>>50341400

I think he's great

He's not really a "trap" although I think it's def possible to go overboard on color matters stuff, his ability is good just as infinite "2W: thing you control is basically hexproof and basically can't be blocked"

His real problem is that hes really mana intensive, which isn't the easiest thing in mono white so you need to pull out all the stops, all the best mana rocks and mana doublers you can afford

And then there's the card draw issue, I think he's good at making card draw less important, because he protects the spells you play and makes you play a little slower, so you won't overextend, but you still want card draw, and I'm not a huge fan of most of your options in mono white. Mentor of the meek is okay, but if you want to use 8 1/2 tails, you need 4 extra mana for every small creature play, to draw and protect. Puresteel paladin is good if you use equipment a lot, but it's still hard to profitably fit that many equipment in your deck to make puresteel a serious source of card draw

Most of the good artifact card draw effects are expensive and slow like mind's eye

anyone play EDH on xmage? is it worth it or is it just a bunch of autists with 4000 dollar decks?

>>50341769
why wouldn't you play as an autist with a 4000 dollar deck?

>>50341569
A powered up Hokori would work well in an average playgroup, but the moment the UGx decks try to match him he won't stand a chance.

>>50341796
>>50341569

UGx deadeye dongers isn't as good as UBx storm. In either case, monowhite hokori isn't a great choice, but Hokori is better against storm then he is dongers

>>50341793
to test out shit i want to build?

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What is best at dealing with typical U/Gx cancer decks that run away with games (the typical seedborn muse + alchemist's refuge, etc) outside of other U/Gx decks?

>>50341860
Hatebears & MLD

>buy two precons
>have no idea what i'm doing

i can't even into this format

>>50341931
4 colour decks are not an easy introduction into the format. Your first deck should be mono or two colour so you can get a feel of how the format play instead of worrying what the fuck your deck does

>>50341931
Just remember: card advantage is king. That includes virtual card advantage.

If you find yourself doing nothing with your mana for a couple turns because you ran out of cards, you may as well have lost the game.

Tried to make a playable Sigarda, token/human deck.
Anything I can change around here?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sigarda-edit/

>>50341956

So...I'm having trouble balancing cheap removal spells against more expensive cards with high value. Are cards that used to be curve-toppers are now early casting goals? Halp.

>>50342012
post your decklist if possible. critique is the best way to learn, and it's difficult to critique without reference since edh decks often play vastly differently depending on the commander.

>>50340525
He's pretty solid in duel commander but not so much in multiplayer.

>>50341984
first off, you can't play westvale abbey since it's colour identity is black, due to it's backside. It's just like how Archangel Avacyn is WR due to her backside.

>>50341860
Armageddon.

currently building Selenia, dark angel and rakdos discount king.

Zada is so much fucking fun

is there any way to make a good Astral slide type deck. I would like it to be BW, maybe manifest some big fatties and etb stuff. I need sugestions.

>>50342237

You mean a flicker deck?

>>50342084
ok, other than that what else would you recommend?

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>>50340118
http://www.strawpoll.me/11706118

Help me /edhg/

>>50342328
Nath is lit af, do him

>>50342237
Make it in enchantress flicker deck. All the Runes of Protection minus Lands, Parallax Wave, Skybind, and all the ETB effects you can find like Auramancer, Monk Realist, Flickerwisp, Glimmerpoint Stag, etc

And add in some enchantment removal like Reality Acid, Soul Tithe, Seal of Cleansing, and Aura of Silence

>>50342156

Selenia is a lot of fun.

>>50341931
which ones did you get because atraxa and gaybros basically play themselves

>>50342328
Nath's fucking great. You don't even have to build around the discard of you don't want, just do elves with black tricks. Just be prepared for buthurt when you make someone discard their combo pieces. Also, your dick will never feel as big as when you swing with 4 11/11's turn 4. Fucking elves, man.

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What are some staple cards every mono red deck should have?

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>>50340519

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>>50329706 here, what do?

>>50342084
Archangel Avacyn if fine as hell due to her backside.

>>50342871
blood moon

>>50342871
Gauntlet of Power, Caged Sun, Extraplanar Lens, Gilded Lotus, Everflowing Chalice, Sol Ring, and a few other rocks too

Stranglehold, Gamble, Blasphemous Act, Vandalblast, Blood Moon, Ruination, Chaos Warp, Pyroblast, Wheel of Fate, Wheel of Fortune, and Reiterate or Fork or Reverberate or Dualcaster Mage or Wild Ricochet or all of them

And personally, I would say Commune With Lava, Isochron Scepter, Pyrohemia, Frenzied Fugue, and Uba Mask

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>>50342928
>backside

Damn right.

>>50342928
the color identifier on the back of transform cards is included in color identity, anon.


>>50342911
You could build something with one of the new C16 commanders.

Vorel of the Hull Clade is pretty fun imo.

>>50343009
that second one was meant to be an 'or', sorry.

>>50342285
Not him, but one of the biggest problems with wide nontoken tribal decks is how they fare against boardwipes.


There are various ways to deal with this, some are to simply draw tons of cards, so you can push out new threats once you are dealt with.

Cards like Collective Unconcious, Regal Force, Shamanic Revelation (I'd probably run this one), and Slate of Ancestry work towards that purpose.

Other ways are to protect your stuff from removal, cards like Eldrazi Monument (Should work great since your commander can make tokens to feed it), Asceticism (Also amazing), I see you already play Eerie Interlude, Ghostway is another card that does the same thing. Indestructible effects like Make a Stand and Rootborn Defenses can work, but these are more situational.

Now, what I personally like best is reanimation strategies. Make sure those cards you lose keep coming back.
Angel of Glory's Rise is probably the best at this job, but there's also Rally the Ancestors, Return to the Ranks, Marshal's Anthem, Twilight Shepherd, Cauldron of Souls (the last two will be especially good considering you have lots of ways to get +1/+1 counters)

There's also single target stuff like Sun Titan, Reveillark, Karmic Guide, Loyal Retainers (human), Bruna, the Fading Light, Angel of Serenity.

I'm also SHOCKED that you're not playing Eternal Witness. It's even a human.

Collective Blessing is pretty mediocre for 6 mana, if you want a combat enchantment at that price, play True Conviction. If you just want a mass pump, use Beastmaster Ascension.

Cryptolith Rite is great, so you want an even better one as well, Earthcraft.

As cool as cards like Urza's Incubator are, human tribal is stuffed with super cheap spells. You're going to be able to cast your humans, you don't need them discounted that much.

>>50342548
do you have a list or sugestions?

>>50340168
>unconventional
Doggo is basically babby's first brew at this point.

>>50343045
Also, here's a list of amazing humans in no particular order:

First some really fucking amazing ones:
Academy Rector
Saffi Eriksdotter
Eternal Witness
Loyal Retainers
Serra Ascendant
Juniper Order Ranger
Yavimaya Elder
Azusa, Lost but Seeking
Knight of the Reliquary
Captain Sisay
Kamahl, Fist of Krosa (Good instead of the overrun, stops boardwipes by threatening to animate their lands)

Now for some others:
Sanctum Prelate
Shaman of the Forgotten Ways
Preacher
Ranger of Eos (Becomes far better if you run other 1 drops like Mother of Runes and Serra Ascendant)
Mother of Runes
Auramancer
Hero of Bladehold
Hua Tao, Honored Physician
Freyalise Supplicant (WG 0.5 fling! Direct player damage! Only flings white creatures though)
Soul Sister's (All white ones except Suture Priest are human)
Yisan, the Wanderer Bard (Great in a deck with lots of cheap humans)
Grand Abolisher
Sylvan Safekeeper
Wild Beastmaster
Children of Korlis
Containment Priest
Den Protector
Somberwald Sage
Stone-seeder Hierophant (Mostly becomes amazing with Gaea's Cradle or Thawing Glaciers)
Elder of Laurels
Emrakul's Evangel

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>>50340519

>>50343056

I don't have my list online, it's mostly goofy combo stuff with Lich and other cards like that.

>>50343009
I dunno, I built a Kydele Windfall->Fireball deck, but it just felt so... boring, I guess?
Marcie was the last time I built something and actually felt pleased with the result (which stalled out most partial builds thereafter), which is why I mentioned her.
I was considering an Eggs style Breya deck when I first saw her, if I can motivate myself to attempt that nightmare I might, I guess
I'll give Vorel a look too

>>50342220
Muh Nigga.

the guy with the reputation for being the Best EDH player at my lgs just got arrested for child molestation.

pop kek.

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Did someone say Voltron. I never got a EDH deck before and I might try this.

>>50343178
vorel's not new but he was reprinted in the set.

Ludevic + Vial Smasher is a decent combination of new commanders.

>>50343257
He lived in EDH as he did with children: he had happy hands!

>>50343280
Best combo Tymna/Fishman

>>50343280

How is ludevic + vial smasher good?

Ludevic makes your deck worse by being in play

>>50343106
>>50343045
Now that I've gone this far, might as well recommend cards for you to cut:

Briarbridge Patrol (4 mana 3/3?)
Palace Guard (3 mana 1/4?)
Hamlet Captain (Not too certain about this one, but it risks dying too much in order to get the buff active when it counts, not always you can swing with everything, better to just play another anthem)
Collective Effort (Nice flexibility, but sorcery speed removal has to be REALLY good in commander)
Explosive Vegetation (Bad ramp. Play Cultivate or Kodama's Reach to guarantee 5 mana, or Skyshroud Claim at 4 mana)
Chariot of Victory (Lightning Greaves!)
Door of Destinies (Buff permanents that do nothing retroactively almost always suck)
Descendant's Path (Like... 25% chance to trigger? If you have a human on board already?)
Collective Blessing (True Conviction)
Concerted Effort (Eldrazi Monument)
Brave the Sands
That second Sol Ring
BfZ Gideon (Isn't he rotating out of standard soon? Get rid of him fast)
Urza's Incubator
Second Harvest (Not enough token generation)
Gallows at Willow Hill (As much as I love this card, it being worth tapping 3 humans doesn't happen often.)

Could probably extend it to include 15-20 more cards but at that point there's not much of the original left, those are just the ones that stick out the most.


Oh and I almost forgot the best white lord in every tribal deck. Mirror Entity. This guy is the best.

Hope you're here to actually read this.

>>50343280
I'm a non-MTGO online only player (poor neet here), so I don't especially care about reprints personally, though it's probably good to look at the C16 stuff again 'cause it's new, and I can give Vorel a look for kicks sometime
I'm not super feeling that combo desu, but I could check some of the others
>>50343294
>Fishman
Thrasios? Seems redundant with Tymna

>>50343356
Then you get the best colors for playing Grace/Naus + Lab Man, while also playing hate bears and shit.

Then you randomly win with infinite mana anyways.

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Let's say I want to play mono blue spellslinger and we pretend Azami doesn't exist for a minute

Is Kaho worse than Arcanis because she dies to removal and the spells get lost? Is there a better blue commander for spellslinging? I'd understand if Talrand is better than either, but I'd prefer not to play Venser or Teferi if their best play is to combo out.

Not really sure what my win con is other than "throw spells at people" but that's good enough for me for now

>>50343394
Kid Jace High tide is pretty good. if you want to avoid combo, then idk.

>>50343325
>>50343356
I didn't say it was good, I said he was decent.

Ludevic is decent because you will trigger him every time you cast a spell when they're both out. Vial Smasher wants you to play bigger spells, Ludevic helps you dig for them. He also encourages people to send damage other people's way, and is a decent blocker at 1/4.

Ludevic really reads, "Pay 1UR: deal 3 damage to a random opponent and draw a card." When Vial Smasher is in play.

How does he make your deck worse while in play?

>>50343414

He makes your deck worse by giving people card draw, especially since they can just kill vial smasher if they care about you drawing cards, then ludevic is a complete liability

>>50343434
There's a million and one ways to protect your commander, especially in blue. If vial smasher gets killed, that's your own damn fault.

>>50343414
Fun fact about Ludevic: he makes your enemies' shocks and fetches cantrip. Think about that

Ludevic is a group hug card that makes enemies hurt themselves/each other, nothing else.

>>50343462
Only once. And that's mana they aren't using earlier just so they can cantrip on their turn.

>>50343461

There's multiple things wrong with this but I'll focus on the main issue which is that even if you have both in play, this is happening:

>>50343462

Phyrexian arena draws them two cards. Toxic deluge cantrips, sylvan library let's them draw even more, Phyrexian mana spells cantrip

Ludevic is plain and simple one of the worst cards ever printed, he's a total liability, and spending your own precious counterspells to protect drawing 1 card per turn is retarded when you're being outdrawn by your opponents who have it much easier trying to trigger the draw

>>50343402
>Kid Jace High tide
Sounds brutal. Thanks, I'll check it out.

>>50343523
>Ludevic is plain and simple one of the worst cards ever printed, he's a total liability, and spending your own precious counterspells to protect drawing 1 card per turn is retarded when you're being outdrawn by your opponents who have it much easier trying to trigger the draw
Yeah but they're hurting themselves in the process!

PLUS Ludevic is a Partner card so he comes with a built-in +1 card advantage. Your opponents get to draw one card while you get one card AND KRAUM.

>>50340166
Sometimes I do this thing were I go into random threads with little replies and just type "No" and leave.

>>50343573
<3 dat (You) i just got

>>50343523

They can run all those effects if they want, but only one of them will cantrip per their own turn. They have to hurt themselves(or a different player) to draw a single card in their end step. It's sort of the point. Meanwhile, while Vial Smasher and Ludevic are on the board, you'll be guaranteed your draw every turn by casting any spell with a mana cost as your first spell, which you'll get more of from Ludevic in your end step.

p.s. nowhere did i suggest protecting ludevic. I suggested protecting Vial Smasher, who is more valuable, and countering a spell on your opponent's turn will actually trigger him. Ludevic's purpose is to draw you cards(because you'll proc him more reliably than anyone else), add blue to the deck, and block. In multiplayer situations, he's actually better- he discourages attacks against you because they don't get to draw when they attack you.

I'm sorry you're butthurt because Ludevic isn't as flavorful as you'd like, but he's not as terrible as you make him out to be.

>>50343624
>countering a spell on your opponent's turn will actually trigger him.
And ironically, that would draw THEM a card.

>>50343641
Yes, and?

If it really grinds your gears to have people drawing cards, run sac outlets so you can just sac Ludevic in response to vial smasher's trigger. There's always a way around it.

>>50342328
>http://www.strawpoll.me/11706118
Nath has had a surge in popularity from people who don't want to play the Generic Golgari deck.

Sapling is underrated. Indestructible is strong on a commander.

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Can someone give me their experiences using pic related? I need more card draw in Wort(R/G) and thought this could make a good inclusion.

>>50343624

>they have to hurt themselves

People do this anyway because small amounts of life don't matter at all, that's the point you're missing

>meanwhile you're drawin 1 extra card per turn assuming both your commanders are alive

You're not winning the card advantage game this way, as explained earlier

>nowhere did I suggest protecting Ludevic

Nor did I, protecting vial smasher so that Ludevic isn't entirely a benefit to your opponents (instead of mostly a benefit to your opponents) is a losing battle

>countering a spell on your opponents turn will trigger him

YEAH, as in, your fucking opponent draws a card

Now are they not only getting cards for minimal combat damage, and any life pay, they also cantrip if they force a counterspell out of you.

You played yourself

I don't care about flavor, as far as I'm concerned, that's up to the player to interpret

It's simply an objective fact that Ludevic benefits your opponents more than it benefits you

If you want to play group hug to make your opponents decks play better then fine but don't pretend Ludevic is viable if you want to play the game normally

>>50342910
Correct

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>>50340519

>>50343738

I've only ever played this card in my wort r/g deck, and it was great, basically a cheaper blue sun's zenith for my deck because it was a storm combo deck and being able to conspire to "draw" like 10-15 cards before untapping is GG

That said the deck was kinda inconsitent on account of needing wort to live and my tokens to not be wiped constantly, and commune with lava does nothing to help that, while at the same time being one of my not as good card draw spells (compared to say, shamanic rev)

>>50343689
>running a commander that you actively try to kill
This just gets better and better.

Our point is that Ludevic is way more effort than he is worth unless you want others to draw cards.

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>>50340519
Incredible 1v1 win rate among my playgroup. List if anyone wants a look:

>>50343871
>>50340519
Forgot list: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mgs-kamigawa-crisis/

>>50343293
Inciting a child for indecent purposes is not the same as playing politics at the tabletop

>>50343871
>>50343905

Yeah seems pretty hard to beat 1v1, maybe another voltron deck?

I need the most insidious land destruction deck. one that wins with extreme prejudice.
i want to destroy, ney, devastate the mono blue player in my playgroup

what do you have?

>>50343871
>deck made for 1v1
>doesn't follow 1v1 banlist
>instantly loses if commander isn't in play/doesn't resolve

Looks fun and all but not too strong if you ask me.

>>50343991

i don't think there's any one commander that's great with land destruction

you want R and W for sure, other colors are just gravy, you want lots and lots and lots of mana rocks, and you also want stuff that's good when the game gets slowed down, so gods like keranos or Erebos seem good, long term advantage, and also planeswalkers seem good, if you have a couple of those in play, especially ones that protect themselves with blockers, when you Armageddon, it can be game over

Some of the best MLD spells are catastrophe, cataclysm, wake of destruction, keldon firebombers, impending disaster

>>50344034

You have a point about the 1v1 banlist but I think your other point is confused. He has a control deck there that controls the game with or without the commander and eventually he can play the commander and win

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>>50340166
(You)

>>50344050
No, that control is just counterspells and "morph" destroy spells.

If he is playing against another control deck that drops a value 1 drop or a 2 drop, he simply loses as both decks sit there and wait for each other to overextend while he gets hit for 2-4 damage a turn as the Kaseto players hand is filled up with useless equipment and auras.

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Tomorrow, Wizards erratas the Demigods to be legal commanders. Who do you build?

Hard mode: not pic related

>>50344034
>>50344050
OP here. Playgroup doesn't follow the Duel Commander ban list, so Sol Ring and shit goes in. Also, second poster is right about the control, not to mention it goes so fast that by the time most decks are able to respond to it, I'm already hitting for 7-10 Commander Damage.

>>50344136
>not to mention it goes so fast that by the time most decks are able to respond to it, I'm already hitting for 7-10 Commander Damage
Ok, so you are literally playing against CrawWurm.dec

Let me guess, you are playing a deck built for 1v1 against their multiplayer decks?

There's no fucking way a deck built for 1v1 would sit and let you goldfish the first 5 turns.

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>trying to make a deck
>it sort of works but can't get it quite right
>no idea how to make it work

a horrible feeling

i just want to run pic related

>>50344173
Gahiji

>>50342871
sauce?

>>50344193
yyyyyyyyyyyeah i feel like that's what i have to do, but i wanted to run blue because i got no blue deck yet. any azorius shit i try to make work just feels awful to play. but perhaps that's how all azorius decks are

>>50344099
Also, there's no control decks worth a damn in my playgroup, mostly midrange and aggro, with me being the one that plays combo. I first build Kaseto as a joke but now it's known as one of the most brutal decks to face 1v1 in the playground.

>>50344124
Deus of Calamity

Nonbasic land/Artifact hate

Oversoul of Dusk hate bears

>>50344037
I love the idea of impending disaster. the deck is RWU for major butt hurt. the land destroying dragon. I'm thinking maybe aging wildfire and burning of xhinge. also Crack the earth and Rashida cutpurse. type effects. and reality strobe.

I just want him to swallow his rage and for him to understand that just because you can do it doesn't mean you should.

his argument for only playing his mono blue ultra draw counters deck is because "hey it's possible to do and it's part if the game, valid strategy" i don't disagree worth this but, I the playgroup as a whole mostly plays for fun. and people just feel bad when they play him and he just feels bad when everyone Hates him. so maybe if he walks a mile... or maybe just walk him of the edge, because he is a salty edge lord after all.

>>50344231
Well, that's just a case of a you being a bigger fish in a very small pond.

>>50344169
No, there's couple of 1v1 decks in my playgroup, it's just that none of them are good.

>>50343567
I have never seen a post this retarded.
I'd rather have any other card in hand than that garbage, you do realize that card advantage means jack if all you're holding is shit.
People are expecting to take damage when they play Phyrexian Arena, but you gifting extra cards each turn with no additional costs.
Only deck he could go to is Nekusar meme deck, and even that's a stretch.

>>50344214
yeah I feel horrible when playing otk combos. just like I didn't have fun or earned it. just sadness

>>50343929
Unless he was picking up kids at the LGS.

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>>50342070
>>50340525
>>50340709
>>50340733
alright how'd I do?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-ass-was-phat/

>>50344325
yeah same for me

>test ephara on tappedout
>"haha this is pretty cute, i can flicker stuff and get tons of cards"
>play one of those memetastic blue creatures that untap lands
>realize i have infinite mana now
>turn 6 win unintentionally
>meanwhile have to work my ass off to win with non blue untermensch colors

>>50344213
See
>>50327920

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Here is my Unconventional Voltron Commander. I really like running. I normally build her as aggro, but making he voltron is pretty fun if you can throw on enchants at instant speed

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what would wizards need to print to MAKE BOROS GREAT AGAIN

need undercensored chandra nudes

>>50344718
More artifact-based card draw.
Because when everyone has card draw.
Nobody does.

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>>50344718

>Frankenfurter the Firelurker (3WR. 3/3)
>First strike, Lifelink
>Whenever an ability of a non-creature permanent you control deals damage to an opponent, you gain that much life

>>50344768
>dies to bolt
unplayable

>>50344735
Skullclasp (1)

Equip (1): Equipped creature gets -1/+1
When equipped creature dies, draw two cards.


Easy print.

>>50340525
Yoked Ox and Tassled Dromedary. Do it!

>>50344851
they're in there >>50344376

>>50344718
A commander that isn't about beating face.

>>50344768
Lightning Helix-type effects are honestly almost as fucking stagnant as them just turning sideways.

>how should we design this new WR card?
>lol just make it deal 3... no... it deals 4 damage and they gain 4 life! People loved lightning helix!

>>50344718
They need to implement more Cycling cards so you can do Astral Slide and shit, beat face and control the board. Cycling is a great mechanic, too bad they did away with it.

>>50344837
basically unplayable tho, the thing that makes skull clamp so good is the -1 toughness. now you're making it harder to kill. not good.

My bad Chandra burn hit about 18 cards with forks at the end of someone's turn and won via Mana Geyser, Furnace, and a kicked Urzas Rage that was forked with Pyro Goggles. Knocked out the guy who was going to win and crippled another to the point where a hasty Chandra finished him off by attacking, flipping, and plusing. The last guy didn't get me after he sent tokens at Chandra, and I finished him off with a Ravaging Blaze for X=10, forked with Goggles of course.

The big thing to remember about CwL is that it lasts until the end of your NEXT turn, and it's instant. You can either dump mana on your turn for a few cards, and be safe until next turn anyway, or blow a huge load at Eot and go for broke.

>>50343905

>$400+

lmao of course you win a lot

>>50345209
>400$ deck is a lot

o i am laffin

>>50345230
why would you spend more than 400 dollars on a deck in a format where the point is to play goofy jank that you can't play in any other format

>>50345230

>spending more than a few bucks on a casual format

Waste of money, pathetic.

>>50344597
on the topic of ephara, would she be a good choice for a tryhard "i just want to win" deck? i feel like i need to have one of those lying around eventually. i was also thinking of edric but his playstyle is kinda boring

>>50341769
Recently with c16 just out, yeah... It ain't great. But that being said there's still those select few who don't do that bullshit. Just make sure you make your intention obvious at the start of the game and to check everyone's commander. I've had some pretty great games playing people with budget decks on xmage before

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>>50340519

>>50341769
kinda, but people very rarely play combo. almost everyone plays the og dual lands and overpowered expensive staples because "lol why not xd"

i still manage to dunk on these guys with my budgety casual decks that i own in real life though. i dont know if theyre bad or if theyre being casual too (just with really expensive decks)

>>50345246
Because the things that I don't get to play in other formats are expensive. I play expensive jank. Feels good.

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>>50345603

>I buy wins in a format no one else takes seriously

whew lad

>>50345246
>>50345209
you're assuming that someone made a list and went "welp, time to go buy this magic deck" and bought every single right then and there. it doesn't work like that. most players play multiple formats and eventually have enough draft chaff to trade in for good stuff they don't have, and then eventually build up enough of a collection to build reasonably expensive decks. not because they are rich or anything, but because theyve invested time into the game.

>>50345209
>>50345246
oh, and you're assuming that card prices are static. but that is part of how you accrue value in magic by investing time.

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>>50345698

Yeah I've heard all the excuses from mega losers who blow their paychecks on card games. Enjoy knowing deep down you can't win without outspending the competition, I'll keep relying on skill and beat you ten out of ten times.

GG, no remach.

>>50345714
>complains about "mega losers"
>posts on 4chan
I'm not gonna deny what i am, it's time for you to do the same.

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>>50345728

I'm not a loser bro, I have a 10/10 gf who dresses up like my angelic waifus and lets me cum on her feet. I am also a chef at Wendy's, I am 6'5 with a 9 inch dick and I make $120,000 a year.

What have you done peasant?

>>50345746
i tutored for an infinite damage combo with survival of the fittest the other day, that was pretty good i think

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>>50345762

>combo

heh, all too easy.

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>tfw to intelligent for deckbuilding

anyone else have this feel? i keep building decks that end up becoming way more powerful my group's, which leads to me becoming the archenemy nearly every game. i don't even build degenerate shit like meme commanders, combo or stax. i just end up obsessing over synergy and optimization so much that my cheapo meme deck ends up dominating the match against my friends' more expensive decks

i really hate intentionally gimping my decks, but i also don't want my group to hate me, so this is a quite a horrible situation i've found myself in

>>50346071
Build clone tribal.

>>50346071
play oviya pashiri

>>50346181
i've actually been wanting to build a deck that revolves around mind controlling and copying, but i've yet to find a commander that really fits in well with that theme.

>>50346184
can't really think of how to use her besides as an early blocker and a mana dump later. but i guess that was your point

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Name a card that fucks everyone's shit up more than Grip of Chaos.

>>50346392
possibility storm is basically an even more fucked version of that

>>50343280
Kraum is the better UR partner in general, and is better with Vial Smasher because if it's your first spell the turn you cast it Vial Smasher is hitting somebody for five and then you've got four in the air.

>>50346276
lazav or reaper king are good choices for clone/mimicry stuff.

>>50343738
I only cast it once, in a fairly new Heartless Hidetsugu deck. It was a 1v1 game and I got pretty lucky, but here's how it went:

>turn 4 and below: some rocks
>turn 5: Caged Sun
>turn 6: Hidetsugu and Commune with Lava for X=8
>revealing a Stuffy Doll, Blasphemous Act, and Reverberate
>turn 7: activate Hidetsugu for 20 damage, cast aforementioned cards and win the game

But if you're in green you should probably stick with green draw

>>50341860
I like a mean GB Stax against any trouble deck not specifically set up to deal with it.

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>>50346276
Riku+Clones.dec. or as I like to call it, "Anything you can do I can do better"

Basically play every clone, every fork, and every redirect you can. You can copy them with Riku. Play your opponents deck against them, so however good theirs is, yours will be just as good. A friend of mine has it. It's a blast to both play, and play against.

I keep theory crafting lists for Riku, and scrapping it because I can never decide on what I want to actually buy. It's like this with everything, though. Like, a vicious cycle of inspiration, deck building, dejection, more deck building, manic depression, frantic and meticulous deck building, and eventually I throw it all out the window because I think it'll never be good enough.

Right now it's a toss up between Talrand Talent and Ishai. Or Yidris. Or Riku. I really want a third deck, I just can't decide which.

>>50346276
Lazav.

>>50346412
Run both for that extra hair pulling anger.

>>50345698
I haven't bought a single single, yet at the rate of 1 fat pack per expansion since RTR I've assembled a kruphix deck that's worth 100$ and actually works pretty decently.
Try to out-casual me.

>>50343332
Thanks friendo, I'll take a look and throw something together later today.
Would you be willing to take another look later on?

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What's the consensus on Godhead of Awe? I was thinking of putting her in my Atraxa deck, but edhrec tells me she's pretty unpopular.

>>50347676
great if you're running elesh norn, or other mass -1/-1 effects

>>50347534
>kruphix
yeah, you're getting steamrolled

>>50346964
>>50347093
i get that lazav himself copies stuff too, but where does the actual synergy come from when you include stuff like mind control and so on into the deck?

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How does he play compared to Maelstrom Wanderer?

Do they even play the same?

>>50340118
Now that people have had a chance to more thoroughly playtest their C16 decks, what are some of the all star cards that really powered up the deck when you got them? 4c and Partner commanders welcome.

I'll start

>Yidris Goodstuff
Possibility Storm was better than expected when I got it out. Not because it really powered me up, but because it really powered everyone else down while my playstyle was mostly unchanged.
Lim-Dul's vault is super good, and basically won me the game twice

>K&T Group Hug
Zur's Weirding is pretty bomb. most of the time you're the only one that draws cards
Shared Fate, it turns out, is basically a win condition in a group hug deck unless every other player is mono-black

>>50347998
You can choose to play them the same if you want, and it works with both, but for the most part they are vastly different.

>>50347998
Yidris seems to benefit more from big spells while Maelstrom Wanderer prefers big beefy creatures

>>50344718
Red/White is all about battling and war, yet they keep making GENERALS that are all about beating face.
>GENERAL
The very concept is so in-their-face I can't believe they haven't acted on it.

Basically they need something like Odric, but in R/W and that doesn't scale off big stuff, tokens, or tribes.

Basandra is a good example, too, apart from the fact that she's so underpowered as a commander.

Perhaps something like
3 R W
When a creature you control attacks, that creature gains your choice of first strike, vigilance, or lifelink until end of turn.
At the beginning of each opponent's combat step, target creature can't attack you this turn.
Whenever a creature attacks you, that creature loses hexproof and shroud and can't have or gain hexproof or shroud until end of turn
4/3 first strike

Sounds neat to me but I'm no card designer

>>50348565
>Whenever a creature attacks you, that creature loses hexproof and shroud and can't have or gain hexproof or shroud until end of turn
Take that out and it's dandy, I'm not sure removing hexproof is part of the RW slice of the color pie

>>50348658
I think it's fine, you can do that with lands and artifacts, all you have to do is give it a flavor reasoning. Maybe an elemental general that burns so bright he removes their cover

Recommend me finisher for the grouphug deck?

Here is some of the stuff I have lying around:

Avacyn, angel of hope, elspeth, suns champion, sigarda, host of herons, new and old gisela, elesh norn, Iona.

Any of those useful?

>>50348658
>>50348718
I was originally thinking it would be "Whenever a creature attacks you, that creature loses indestructable and can't have/gain it until EoT" but I figured that would be less applicable in general than hexproof/shroud. Maybe it would be better to say "creatures dealt damage by you or a source you control can't regenerate and lose indestructable until end of turn"

The point is they keep making r/w generals that are really more of soldiers themselves than actual generals/leaders. Bruse Tarl is nice, but he's deliberately not as strong as he could otherwise be because of the partner mechanic. To see a devoted leader in R/W with mechanics that control the flow of combat, even when it's not your turn is what I want to see.

>>50348747
>Finisher
>Names goodstuff
You're thinking wrong.
Since you're playing group hug, expect your opponents to have better things than you. Reins of Power (comes with the deck) is good, check the red and blue primordials from RtR block.
Also Avacyn is just generally good in group hug, because the indestructability could be seen as self-protection and not an attempted assault, then it can later be used as an attempted assault, so if you just have it lying around it wouldn't hurt to include it.

Traumatize wouldn't hurt, and neither would forced fruition if you want to play the slow game.

are there any lewd alters of bruse tarl?
I need to see his throbbing dick in his ox

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>>50343744
>pain lands draw your opponents cards just for being tapped

>>50348747
Prosperity

>>50348933
How would you win with Prosperity? Deck everyone out or Lab Maniac?

>>50347775
it's thematic. Include reanimation, mill, few steal effects, tonnes of clones. though if you pick reaper king, the "synergy" is that you get to clone everybody's shit and use them as vindicates in a pinch.

Which commander out of Gahiji, Marath and Mayael is the most FUN™?

>>50349033
Mayael

>>50349028
>it's thematic. Include reanimation, mill, few steal effects, tonnes of clones

but that's redundancy, not synergy

reaper king would otherwise be cool but lmao 5 color manabases

>>50341576
I love how salty people get when they cant remove Sigarda.

>>50343788
plz no why.

The worst of the worst partner commanders. I cant imagine why you would run this over any other commander

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>>50349237
i'm assuming he was being a memer

but i do have a friend who insists that every single card that i call bad is Actually Good and You Just Don't See the Value. actually most of my friends do that. i don't know if they suck at evaluating value or if they just love being contrarian. i mean i love being contrarian myself but i make it obvious that i'm doing it as a joke (like when i try to think of viable uses for Wood Elemental)

>>50349377
No one likes the pessimist that goes "it's not optimal so it's shit" to just about everything.

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This is my Kaalia build list. I'm pretty please with it. I suppose I would like cheaper more universal removal as well as land destruction, but so far it hasn't been a hindrance.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-3/

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>>50349377
couldn't you sacrifice no forests to destroy this guy?

>>50349377
But Wood Elemental is good on Titania :^)

> want to play fun multiplayer cards and play politik cards to help out players who are behind to make the game more interesting.
>"youre just trying to win by being the last to survive. I won't be outsmarted by you! Attack everything at you and devote my rremoval to your gimmick cards while I lose the game!"
>"oh, I get an extra resource? Combo off"

When did you learn your group was nofunallowed?

>>50347539
>>50343332
>>50343106
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sigarda-edit/
with a few of your recommended edits
Anything else to take a look at?

I'm gonna build an Adam and Steve lands matter deck. What are some saucy overlooked lands?

>>50349449
The thing is that if we go by competitive results, very few cards are actually good, and nothing matters except fast combo and lockdowns. Cards that are considered strong, like elesh norn are actually useless if we are going by results.

Thats the major problem with not evaluating cards from a casual perspective. The competitive meta is actually oppressive to the point where most good cards arent very... good. The vast majority of players dont play at that level anyway, so using it as your lense for cards is asinine.

>>50341769
Just put "fun" and "casual" in the title or something, sometimes it takes more time, but its pretty good when people finally join.

>>50349726
>do this
>someone joins with a fucking leovold stax deck

i've actually taken to putting some of these retards onto a text file on my computer so i know in advance not to play with them

>>50349742
> playing a social format anonymously.
Edh is pretty much designed to fail there bud. Onlne play needs a new fork of the rule set that takes into acount internet dickwad theory and isnt afraid of bloat.

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>>50349463
I will never understand the infatuation with kaalia
>>50349683
Halls of mist, oasis, every gate +mazes end

>>50342911
Persist is a must in the black rose

>>50349652
It's hard to say because I don't know what your budget is, nor do I know which cards you already have. So while I can recommend cards for you to add, it doesn't really help if you can't add them.

A few things though:

You NEED skullclamp.
Kamahl > Overwhelming Stampede
Bonds of Mortality is way too situational, even if you removed the hexproof/indestructibility, you don't really play that much destroy.
I'm not comfortable with the number of lands you have, either I'd run more ramp or 2-3 more lands.
Glare of Subdual is another control enchantment that makes WG far stronger.
Remember to take out that Westvale Abbey, not legal in WG.

Rally the Ancestors is great, but remember you have to use it when 1: You have mass haste (Akroma's) and can swing for lethal, 2: You have a way to sacrifice/destroy your own board before they get exiled (Greater Good is probably the best card for this, followed by Ashnod's Altar and Phyrexian Altar).

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>opponent thinks about attacking me
>have this on the table
>"i will make you shuffle your deck if you attack me"

holy shit i'm a genius

>>50350007
I laffed harder than I thought I would

>>50350007
>Get infinite untap/tap loop
>Get infinite mana
>?????????
>PROFIT!!!

>>50345746
>chef at wendy's
>$120,000
>Bitches about pay win

Whew boy you should just give up. You blew it.

>>50349625
There's a vast gulf between being a ruthless robot and being annoyed at "lol so randum *holds up spork*" decks that try to give the win to those who didn't necessarily deserve it.

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>>50350078
holy shit

>play this soldier of fortune with pic related
>make a player shuffle their library at every end step

my god

an advanced form of hate for ruric decks

>>50350158
Can we make a collective troll deck filled with stupid shit like this

I will buy and play it even though I told myself I wouldn't make anymore decks

>>50349625
When the group hug player draws everyone 10 extra cards and plays a Mana Flare after casting a collective voyage for 10, the guy behind him usually wins the game on the spot.
Everyone is usually trying to play a somewhat powerful deck, when they get their resources quadrupled for no reason, that just happens.

>>50350135
Because using offering cards with the player furthest behind is lolsorandom kingmaking, and cards like gahiji deserve to get hated off the table irrationally.

>tfw really just want a general to smack people around with giant creatures

Kaalia would be best right?

>>50350297
That sounds like shitty way of playing the game but I don't play with people who use craw wurm.dec

>>50350247
I dont want to doubl everyones mana and draw ten cards. I want to be able to play a crown of doom without the village idiot saying "im on to your plan, that card encourages us to attack each other. Im going to focus on you to ensure i lose the game because i so resent what your card suggests we do."

>>50349974
Oh yeap keep forgetting about westvale. Really wanted to run it in this (packed it in a box recently)
I guess not an unreasonable budget? $200 should probably be ok
Most of what I've actually got that I put in seems to be ok

>>50350348
Depends. Do you want to be hated off the table every time you sit down?

>>50350350
There is a world between cedh and craw wurms.

>>50350297
So wait a minute, you want to help the player who's behind, but not in such a way that makes a difference in the outcome of the game? That's retarded. Have you tried asking the player what they want? If my deck is spinning its wheels I'd rather the game just end and we start a new one.

>>50350358
At some point they have to attack you. At some point you have to die. Are you whining, what, because you weren't killed second to last?

Out of curiosity, how old are you?

>>50350396
Well, I'm used to being hated out in multiplayer because my decks usually have a slightly higher powerlevel compared to the rest of my playgroup.

>>50350348
Sure, but then you'd be a "Kaalia Player".

>>50350396
Idk. I feel lke playing big creatures on turn 5 shouldnt be considered unfair.

Now khalia decks that dont function if she dies once dont get "hated off" thats just shitty building.

>>50350438
Well, Kaalia will just cement your reputation then. Make sure your friends aren't getting genuinely annoyed with you. This is a social game with the usual social contracts of any other interaction.

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>>50350456
>Now khalia decks that dont function if she dies once dont get "hated off" thats just shitty building.

I agree. But people can read your commander and say to themselves "I'm killing that bitch first."

I say people can read it that way, but really I mean that people will read it that way.

>>50350435
Youre really projecting and im on mobile. Google the principle of charity.

>>50350384
Well, get Greater Good in there, it fills your yard and hand like mad. I'd probably also play an altar though, maybe a card like Altar of Dementia, Evolutionary Leap or Perilous Forays.
Birthing Pod is also great, but it can only sac one creature.

This was also the reason I suggested Emrakul's Evangel, as it's the only mass sacrifice human in green/white.

With a Phyrexian Altar (Or Earthcraft / Cryptolith Rite + Haste) you can get some convoluted infinite ETB/LTB combo off with Eternal Witness and Rally the Ancestors, which is pretty funny.

>>50350482
Google "not making oneself clear and/or making dumb statements then pleading Principle of Charity". You're simply not being coherent and it's not my responsibility to flatter you.

>>50350548
The pribciple of charit isnt flattery, its basic etiquette in debate.

Only the most lawyerish language isnt open to interpretation. If you want to pretend to be mature for attaching opinions to others, go to reddit.

>>50350464
Nah, the people at my lgs can deal with it. I try to be as friendly as possible too so people don't dislike me for the decks that I play. Currently I'm playing grouphug too because I don't care for winning.

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>>50350348
>Kaalia would be best right?

On paper? Maybe, but even then, your deck has a big red weak point that even the newest player can see. In practice, you're either gonna win turn 5 or, more likely, get ganged up on and be left to watch. Neither sound super fun to me.

Commanders that go tall well:

>Omnath, Locus of Mana
Generate pornographic amounts of mana, cast creatures you'd never even look at for other decks with the greatest of ease, die from sodium toxicity when you drop a hexproof, regenerating Vorinclex.

>Karador, Ghost Chieftain
Junk's back, in EDH form. Buried Alive, Living Death, GG. But it wasn't GG. It was BG.

>Doran, The Siege Tower
Cheap fatties in the best colors for it

>Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas
Yeah, yeah RW sucks. But Giant Tribal/Voltron is fucking fun, cheap, surprisingly effective.

>Mayael the Anima
Kinda boring, but whatever. Naya goodstuff with some untap tech. Win with pic related for kekstra credit

>>50350610
It is flattery, in this case interpreting someone's sulking as flatteringly as possible, which isn't usually justified on /edh/. I even asked you some pointed questions to help you clarify and you refused to answer them. Also, I'm not pretending to be mature just because I'm calling someone's position immature.

>>50347676
Mana cost is prohibitive af

>>50350348
kaalia is pretty meh in my opinion. she's very easy she's in colors that don't support timmy strats that well

the best archetypes for timmy decks are reanimator and Big Green Ramp in my opinion. you have a lot of options, depending if you want to aggro, build a board state or alpha strike

>>50350702
Karador and Mayael do sound interesting, I think I will give one of them a try, thank you!

>>50350726
>she's very easy she's in colors that don't support timmy strats that well

ok i forgot to finish that sentence

meant:

she's very easy to get rid of and she's in colors that don't support timmy strats

>>50350713
What are you saying hitler was right? Dont call me out for saying that because im just asking for clarification. Realistically reading and interpreting your post would be flattery, which nobody deserves on edhg.

>>50350774
You really do have trouble making yourself clear.

>>50340519
Daxos

>playing arms dealer gahiji

wow this is pretty fun

Tips for maximum budget Alesha?

I just got her from the 2016 deck and thought it would be fun to make a cheap deck to stomp my playgroup with.

trying to keep each card under $1

I'd like some advice with the following list http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/finishing-quickly/

My playgroup is playing very slowly, and they mainly play big lifegain, sorta draw go decks until they get their win condition. Nothing happens, and games go on forever. Our last game went to the point where they stopped counting life totals because they were gaining far more than they could count.

I'm tired of it. I'm making this deck as a sort of response to that.

In short, either I end the game quickly or I die quickly, and then I can use my buddies computer to play videogames while they gain infinite life and play infinite creatures.

The landbase is simple right now because I'm not sure what to do with it. But I figure 38 lands is a good number.

>>50350957
Are you being a lolsorandum deck that gives away undeserved wins? Thats retarded and youre retarded. Please be clear and explain yourself or im going to say youre a faggot.

>>50351006
no, i'm helping those who are doing badly and disrupting those who doing too well

>>50350978
Gonti
Gary
Anafenza


Im sure that theres a bunch of other stuff, I guess that you'll mostly want creatures with ETB abilities.

>>50351069
So youre trying help players, but not in a way that determines the outcome of the game? What a shitty group with a shitty player.

>>50351104
lmao shut your fat face you big dum dum

>>50350348
Take it from someone who LOVES fatties, the following choices are pretty fatty friendly:

>Kruphix
Obvious reasons. Tons of mana equals big things. Be ware, too much ramp is a bad thing. Tends to draw a moderate amount of hate, depending on how you build it, but it has the potential for pure degeneracy.

>Memnarch
In terms of build strategy, while Kruphix is more simic goodstuff, hard ramp, and good card draw, you're going to want to dump in as many mana rocks as you can in memnarch. Use things like gilded lotus, doubling cube and voltaic key for hilarious results. This is the artifact sub-theme deck, and the perfect place to splash your blightsteels and jingitaxias. Leviathans/sea monsters are surprisingly underrated. Draws second tier Kaalia levels of hate, but a little stronger. Arcanis the Omnipotent is a good backup general for this deck.

>Xenagos
Again, pretty obvious. Just run as much ramp and card draw as you can, drop some fatties than hit people. You will be the most hated person on the board, unless someone is running a notorious general.

>Maelstrom Wanderer
An upgrade over xenagos in every sense of the word. Cascade into glory, run things that fish cards to your topdeck, or put cards on top of your deck from your hand. It wins so consistently you'll get bored, and you can build it very cheaply. Draws Narset levels of hate, you better build it good.

>Volrath
I run a volrath ramp and reanimator build ,yself. It's very very strong in the right circumstances, particularly since the deck has three focuses: ramp, removal, and recursion. Blow up the field, ramp into volrath, throw someone hilarious into the yard, reanimate that creature. In general, draws very little hate, until you draco someone in the chops. Flavor recommendation.

>Mimeoplasm
If you aren't confident in your monoblack skills, the mimeoplasm gets you access to all the green ramp and cheap blue card draw. In terms of a reanimator build, it's one of the top in the format.

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>>50340519

>>50350978
Karmik Guide might not be under a dollar, but is amazing.

>>50346392
>>50346412
Run Eye of the Storm if you can splash blue.

The game quickly ends if no one has a krosan grip because people stop wanting to do 30-spell deep stacks worth of counters, damage, etc.

>>50344313
>nekusar
Nope, it's a may effect. It's such a bad card I thought it was designed as a donate target for zedruu when I first saw it.

>>50344718
Simple.

>Skullfucker, the Magnificent Fury
>RRWW
Indestructible

Whenever another nontoken creature you control dies during combat, you may draw a card.

Whenever another nontoken permanent an opponent controls leaves the battlefield, creatures you control get +1/+0 until the end of turn.

1/4

>>50349935
Undying is better, but persist is okay too.
Now that I think about it as much as I like the deck I haven't updated it in ages
http://tappedout.net/mtg-deckpaste/marchesa-steals-everything/
What does /tg/ think? Ring of Valkas and Undying Evil seem like potential weak links here
>>50350983
Booby Trap is just not very good here, the werewolves aren't stellar but at least don't hurt you with the Ruric trigger
Gyre Sage seems like a good way to get your mana from creatures too

there's gotta be a way to break this.. right? Mindslaver/ Nekusar so they HAVE to draw a card?

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>>50350449
this.

We've all seen the "kaalia player". Greasy, long hair, hoodie and cargos. Binder of FTV angels shit.

Constantly talks mad shit about other decks and how "strong" his deck is and how "good" his deck building is

Fucking hell they're all the same

If I want to play Hanna should I focus solely on either artifacts or enchantments or can I play more of a mix? I was thinking of something like 2/3rds of enchantments and artifacts being mainly mana stuff and a win con.

>>50349850
>I will never understand the infatuation with kaalia
She's really fucking good, in colors that let people drop their normally useless overcosted cards in those colors, as well as being able to stuff the best removal and revive shit to boot.

That's all there is to it.

And she's only been printed once.

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there's gotta be a way to break this.. right? Mindslaver/ Nekusar so they HAVE to draw a card???

>>50349850
>every gate +mazes end
>on 4c

>>50351407
Play stuff like Manabarbs

>>50340216
there are a ton of fun blue fatties, just run all of them.

>>50351403

>She's really fucking good,

Eh, I disagree. Unless you have a t2 lightning greaves she's really not

> in colors that let people drop their normally useless overcosted cards in those colors,

I'll give you that

>as well as being able to stuff the best removal and revive shit to boot.

Red does NOT have the best removal. Black and white sure. I think esper has the best removal.

>>50351383
My favorite part about kalia players is:
>play pacifism/arrest/darksteel mutation/martial law
>watch them cry as they haven't properly evaluated enchantment removal

>>50351407
The best you can do is play a cryptolith fragment and play him lke a red kami of the crescent moon. It isnt terrible, you can play stuff like forbid and arcane lab. The only real saving grace for him over kami is that he can be 2/3/4 colored.

>>50351420
Oh my I'm a retard.

Sorry, I'm so used to saying that for 5c child lands decks.

>>50351304
My mindset behind Booby Trap was that it would let me see a player's draws if I named a card not in their deck, but I can see how the card itself is weak.

With the werewolves I was hoping to either force them to cast spells and take damage, or let them deal with the transformed versions.

Looking at it now I neglected mana ramp entirely. I'll look to add some crature-based ramp.

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>>50351455
"DUDE. what did I do to you? ?!"

Three turns later, scoops

"Well, ANON screwed me over, I couldn't do anything! "


Like clockwork

>>50351455
The angriest I've ever been in and EDH game was when I borrowed a buddy's GW token deck that had only Aura Shards as it's enchantment removal with no way to tutor for it.

Got completely shut down because of a couple enchantments despite having over 100 power on the board at one point.

>play shit like this
>draw 20 cards because of zada

>>50351456
Not even that because Ludevic's trigger is not mandatory

>>50350983
>My playgroup is playing very slowly, and they mainly play big lifegain, sorta draw go decks until they get their win condition
Play that werewolf that transformed has trample and p/t equal to the total of cards in all player's hands. Teach them to hold 7+ hands while waiting to the combo can be painful.

>>50351479
I could run 60 6-drop creatures in my deck, but im going to cut a few for interactive cards and backup plans. I can afford to have a plan b in my deck easily. I dont want to be too clunky if my commander gets disrupted.
~~ no khalia player ever.

>>50351526
You can easily build so that mandatory draw isnt necessary. Most kami decks rely on cards like forbid and arcane lab to leverage their gameplan, and those dont require opponents to draw cards.

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HOW SECRET IS THiS TECH????!!

>>50351576
REMOVE POST PLZ

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>>50351455
>Opponent is playing Kalia
>Has a pretty big pillow fort
>tuck one of his cards to the bottom of his library
>Play tunnel vision naming that card
>mfw

Planechase + EDH

good idea or makes the game unbearably long

>>50351620
Honestly depends on groups power level

>>50344292
>>50344231
>>50344169
Why wouldn't you build your decks to defaultly be able to handle an arbitrary amount of opponents, be it 1 or 5?

>>50351685
Because the way value works is competely different in 1v1 and multiplayer.

Cards like Thoughtseize, Inquisition, single target removal, etc become incredibly powerful effects, while shitting your deck up with those effects in multiplayer is ridiculously bad.

>>50351620
>Casual beer and pretzels game with friends
Laughs and fun times had by all

>Literally any other scenario
Best Case: People forget about Planes
Worst Case: Butthurt autists crying because their Narset deck doesn't work just so, etc.

I love Planechase. It's a shame about Magic players.

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>>50351576
Postan ultrasecret tech

>>50351751

I honestly believe my group will forget about planes anyway, but I might buy the plane cards just to have them and try it anyways

>>50351764
this isn't the first time i've said this but this card art makes me legit very sad

>>50351448
Red lets you play big red fatties though. And a lot of split-color cards thatlet you drop big fatties.

A ton of decks build around the fact that they'll fight a general that's either kaalia-like or is her.

I personally don't have her and don't run her, but she's good. Definitely over-hyped, but she deserves her spot on top-tier generals.deck.

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>>50351764

post secretest tech

>>50351777
do you feel sad for the mama?

>>50351479
>>50351497
>>50351617
>go into flgs as a regular
>"that guy" with his kaliaa deck is there
>stereotypical long greasy black hair, grey stained hoodie, MW3 shirt, cargo pants
>starts bragging to the owner about how strong his deck is
>goes to watch a few younger players play, starts chuckling to himself about how powerful his deck is, and how their feeble precons couldn't comprehend it
>walk over, ask him to play a game
>reaches into his nasty roach-smelling backpack, takes out two plastic deck boxes, half the deck in each one
>entire deck is penny sleeved
>oh boy here we go.jpeg
>rev up my extremely mean brago control deck
>"Haha, anon, you really thing Brago can do anything? What are you going to do?"
>durdled until t3, hit a rock and strionic resonator, blow up his swiftfoot boots
>t4 he drops kalia without haste
>t4 I drop palace jailer, exile kaliaa
>he bounces it to the command zone, starts durdling trying to rev up 6 mana
>drop brago, strionic resonator him, start exiling 2 of kaliaa's creatures per turn
>"That's not fair anon, that doesn't work that way! I demand a rematch, I didn't know about that card."
>game 2, he tries to ramp into an early kaliaa
>counterspell
>daze
>eventually play elesh norn
>he tries to play kaliaa yet again
>ask him if he understands what elesh norn does
>took him a solid 30 seconds of silence before he scooped up his cards, and went to continue his schtick with some other players

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>>50351792
yes anon

here's my secret tech tho

>>50340329
OG duels are good in every deck ever. Just work your way towards one of each and then a play set of each. Take your time there is no rush.

>>50351773
My experience: You've gotta be the one to interact with them at first to get the ball rolling. People will get into it eventually.

>>50351791
This+ Blowfly Infestation could be spicy. What deck is it in?

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>>50351827
>spending money on OG duals

>>50345458
>he doesn't own og duels in real life

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>>50351825
SUPER PHYREXIAN SECRET TECH

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>>50351825
Secret tech time?! This saucy bastard has won me many more games than it should have.

>>50351620
>try planechase with friends
>fun at first
>get to nephalia
>hell begins

Whatever you do, don't use that plane it makes everyone feel miserable.

Magerings are kind of stupid too because rebound WoGs aren't that much fun.

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>>50351847

An old proliferate deck with this guy, I dismantled it a few years ago

Mostly jank, but hade some fun things going on

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>>50351850
>being so stupid and poor that he can't budget and save appropriately

>>50351801
Honestly, why is this so universally the case? Is it the edgy creature types?

Kaalia is a fine commander, you just have to build a very tight deck with lots of contingencies and have a good understanding of how people play. It's not just "Demon, Angel, Dragon Tribal."

>>50348658
Humble/Humility says hi.
Odric 2.0 also supports White's claim to affecting creature abilities.

>>50351889
Sounds fun. Do you have a list?

>>50351877
going straight into my Atraxa deck

>>50351896
You know anon, not everyone wants to spent ludicrous amounts of money on a children's card game.

>>50351896
by buying an OG dual land you are already budgeting inappropriately. you can buy like 3 samurai tribal decks with that amount of money. or 300 gray merchants of asphodel

like, if you buy an OG dual land, ie. one of the most boring cards in existence for EDH (the fun format) you have terminal brain aids and deserve deceasement

>>50351917

nah, sorry, it was way before I discovered tappedout

Besides, the theme probably works better with Atraxa now

>>50351869
I love this card.

Always feel like it's underestimated.

>>50351958
>>50351869
this is like a way worse Greed though

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>>50351801
every. Time.
You're doing the Lord's work.

Here's my example

>playing against kaalia guy
>he smells like onions and weed
>he has kaalia on field with grieves on field
>in responce to equip, boomerang grieves
>he can't recast grieves as he is tapped out from casting kaalia.
>my turn
>control magic on kaalia
>"but you don't even need it!do you have any dragons angels or demons in that deck? ?"
>"nope"
>diplomatic immunity on kaalia
>never use her,she sits on my side doing nothing until he scoops due to only drawing huge beatsticks for several turns

Feels good