Modern General Excellent card looking for a good home edition

What's the opinion on troll worship as a deck? Seems like it could be good in a meta like this. What would remove them? Wrath effects are not common at all and nobody runs an abundance of enchantment hate

>>50334664
>>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?
Dredge.
Life from the Loam, get back three lands.
Play a land, get Bloodghasts
Discard the other two lands and six other cards in my hand to Conflag
Bloodghasts have haste now
Acquire Amalgams
>>What would you be playing if it were viable?
Sultai midrange/control
>>What card do you wish was banned, even if it's not unhealthy?
Blood Moon
>>If you could have one old card reprinted into modern, what would it be?
Shardless Agent
Baleful Strix
Deathrite Shaman and Jace, the Mind Sculptor

>>50334742
You forgot to say Force of Will, Leovold and Brainstorm for Shardless BUG.

>>50334664
>>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?
Started playing infect back in november, loved how it played and it only got better
>>What would you be playing if it were viable?
Bird Brain I guess, probably more Ad Nauseam too
>>What card do you wish was banned, even if it's not unhealthy?
Moon, not because I lose to it, but because it's such an absurd card. There should be more ways to interact with nonbasics than just costing the other person the game
>>If you could have one old card reprinted into modern, what would it be?
Shardless agent, seems sweet
I'd like all of the eternal only cards in modern too

>>50334701
Anger of the gods, wrath of God, supreme verdict, and damnnation are a thing. Also, shaman of the pack goes straight through Worship. Other than that, Worship is a great card. It's a terrible top deck when you have no creatures though

>>50334664
>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?
Martyr Proc. I like really, really long games.
>What card do you wish was banned, even if it's not unhealthy?
Gitaxian Probe. Or a tron land.
>If you could have one old card reprinted into modern, what would it be?
Mother of Runes

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>>50334772
>>50334742
If Shardless Agent, ban Living End.
Also pic related and the rest of the cycle looking for a good home. Kolaghan got the worst dragon but the best Command for modern.

I'd like to revisit Tarkir one day and get enemy Dragonlords and enemy Dragonlord's Commands.

>>50334844
>If Shardless Agent, ban Living End.
why

>>50334844
Shardless agent doesn't fix living end's weakness and it's only a moderate upgrade from current cascade spells in living end.

Before the people playing Blood Moon say it's necessary to keep people from playing 4-5 color things, what other things could discourage playing too many colors?

Ghost Quarter really doesn't seem to. In Legacy, there's Blood Moon and Wasteland but there's also Force of Will to counter Blood Moon.
They also have Deathrite Shaman to help with colors.
And Brainstorm to find FoW.

What's getting banned in January? My money's on GGT, Amalgam if they don't want kill Dredge which I see as unlikely since the deck only reinforces the meme that Modern is about drawing your sideboard, they won't ban mom hug since the next draft chaff looter at 2cmc would just break the deck again.

Hopefully cb or terminus ban in Legacy.

>>50334910
The stock answer is Burn but people wouldn't take that much more damage playing 4c than now with Jund lava axing itself and all that or would just run 1-2 more Timelies in the 75.

>>50334910
Wasteland in modern
Cards with heavy color mana costs (e.g. WWW)

>>50334927
Bans I'm hoping for
>Blood Moon
>Become Immense
>Grave-Troll
>Lantern of Insight
Bans I'm hoping don't happen
>Prized Amalgam
Unbans I'm hoping for
>Deathrite
>Jace
Unbans I'm hoping don't happen
>Twin
>Bloodbraid Elf

>>50334981
You're cancer

>>50334664
>Pet Deck
Naya Zoo, it was the first one i made and R/W/G have been colors of choice since. Combat tricks and quick unmanageable creature damage sold me immediately.
>What would you play if it were viable?
I'm not up to speed on whats viable, but probably something with no real damage in it like B/W Discard, forcing a slow grindy mill while the opponent cant play anything because they keep throwing it in the graveyard/exiling it.
>What card do you wish was banned, even if its not unhealthy?
Doubling Season
>If you could reprint an old card into modern what would it be?
Also not extremely familiar with where the legality line for modern is, but i think Chaoslace could be funny if available

>>50334981
>wants DRS
>doesn't want BBE
do you just really like 4c gifts? This seems like such an odd position to take

>>50334996
;)
Good thing those things aren't going to happen.
What do you want banned/unbanned?

>>50335085
>ban
ons/ktk and zen fetchlands

>unban
drs

>>50335323
>Banning fetch lands

Yea because smooth manabases is REALLY a problem

>>50335005
>something with no real damage in it like B/W Discard, forcing a slow grindy mill while the opponent cant play anything because they keep throwing it in the graveyard/exiling it.

Literally lantern control, look into it.

>>50334664
>>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?

A self made blue counter deck built around drawing cards, walls, hermetic study and horseshoe crabs.

>Viable deck

I always liked Kai Budde's 1999 red / artifact deck it had enough dickery in it at the time to face roll everything from Rancor decks to Blue Thran assery.

>Banned

Bloodmoon. It fucks up stuff too hard for its cost.

>Reprint

Tough Choice.

>>50334664
Would appreciate it next time if you include "MTG" somewhere in the thread title.

Reasons to have bloodmoon
>it punishes manabases that are too greedy

reasons not to have bloodmoon
>it makes people unhappy
>it punishes manabases that are more than one color
>it makes the tradeoff of damage for untapped duals damage for untapped mountains
>it makes landfolk that ETB tapped just mountains that ETB tapped

Seriously, what does it keep in check? Blood Moon comes up just enough that it's frustrating but typically isn't strong enough to win events.

>>50335809
Bloodmoon makes me happy, so you have to add that to the for section
Also bloodmoon hardly punishes 2 color manabases.

>>50334981
Why should Lantern get banned? It's the last viable control deck that isn't about clowning free wins.

>>50335809

Also, a struggle with blood moon:
>Makes nonbasic lands one of the only colors that has no way to interact with enchantments
At least Magus of the Moon is fine because it turns lands into a color that can answer it. If Blood Moon made lands Plains or Forests it wouldn't be nearly as frustrating, because both of those colors have a myriad of ways to answer enchants on the cheap.

As it stands, the only answer to a blood moon if you're playing nonbasics is an untapped fetch and hunt for a forest in response to it in hopes for an answer, if you can't float the mana from a nonbasic in response and cast something like Natural State.

why is everyone meme'ing on blood moon? did I miss the meme train? did a blood moon deck win recently?

>>50335967
Or you could fetch a basic in the first 2/3 turns of the game.
>>50335989
Just mad 3 BGx players

>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?

A Blue/Green Simic/Phyrexian Graft/Poison/Proliferate deck. It started as "I want to make a mad science and mutants" deck and ended with"holy shit this is the best deck I've ever made!!"

>What would you be playing if it were viable?

I'd like to make a deck themed around the cards "Army of Allah" and "Jihad". And other cards from that set. So the next time I hear a parent complain that MtG seduces their kids into the occult I can show it to them and replace their paranoid satanic panic with a fear that card games are trying to indoctrinate kids into Islam.

>What card do you wish was banned, even if it's not unhealthy?

Ban nothing, even if it is unhealthy. Let chaos reign.

>If you could have one old card reprinted into modern, what would it be?

Army of Allah and Jihad please...

>>50335989
Skred won the GP couple weeks backs, which isn't all too surprising with 4 maindeck Relics and Angers vs Dredge (and other creature aggor) and Blood Moon vs everything else.

I don't think a format full of hatedecks and cancer is very healthy

>>50336008
>I can show it to them and replace their paranoid satanic panic with a fear that card games are trying to indoctrinate kids into Islam.

Grab Invoke Prejudice while you're at it.

ban blighted agent or inkmoth, or if not one of those then at least become immense
ban hugdiscard
unban preordain, maybe even ponder
unban twin
unban BBE
unban green sun's zenith
unban seething song
reprint back to basics

>>50335989
And skred seems to be all people are playing on free clients.

>>50336172

>ban hugdiscard

I don't want to see a mediocre card banned to "nerf" a deck. Ban GGT again.

>>50334664

>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?
BW Tribal Knights. Glorious heavy cavalry FTW.
>What would you be playing if it were viable?
See above.
>What card do you wish was banned, even if it's not unhealthy?
Fetch Lands.
>If you could have one old card reprinted into modern, what would it be?
Infernal Darkness
>Bloodmoon?
The hero that the format needs.

>>50336268
>BW Tribal Knights. Glorious heavy cavalry FTW.
Got a list? I was thinking about putting together an Abzan self-mill Knight-Tribal deck focused on Knight of the Reliquary and Haakon.

Who Temur Delver here ?

I'd love to get my hands on actual fetches and goyfs to play outside of my play group where proxies are allowed but damn... those prices...

>>50336318
Modern Knights

Main:
4 Angelic Wall
4 Blood-Cursed Knight
4 Knight Exemplar
4 Knight of Glory
4 Knight of Infamy
4 Luminarch Ascension
4 Mortify
4 Silverblade Paladin
2 Sorin, Grim Nemesis
2 Spectral Rider
2 Stromgald Crusader

9 Plains
9 Swamps
4 Isolated Chapel

>>50336324
I am your guy. The deck is so fucking fun and is very powerful. I don't play it as much lately since my meta is infested with midrange. The sideboard is there to transform more into midrange itself but I figured for now I'd rather just play something else.

The deck is ruthless at punishing misplays but very rewarding

>>50334664
Wait, how is this card not played at least as a sideboard card in any UWx control deck ? Sounds great against burn.

>>50336402
Those decks don't usually struggle against burn

>>50336400
I just feel that we need something more than relic/graf as our main GY hate with dredge being rampant but there are no good choices in UBR saddly.

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>>50336318

I posted this list last thread. It's pretty competitive, goes toe to toe with most tier decks but has some of the same matchup failings as jund (eldrazi for example who out topdecks it) I've been playing and tuning it for a few months. It tries to jund people out and uses the grave as a card advantage engine but doesn't fold to grave hate. Super fun deck.

>tfw mtggoldfish now rallying for a dredge ban

What's with the maro kool-aid?

>>50336509
whateven?
maro even gave the ravnica showdown dredge v scavenge to dredge

>>50336435
I don't play grixis so I'm not sure. I find with temur I can just shoal their beginning turns and run over them. I bring in a couple surgical extractions as well

>>50336435
Are you Temur or Grixis?

>>50336509
It doesn't even need to be banned, just nerfed

>>50336741
Temur

>>50336805
UBR is not temur though

>>50334664
uw flash,play creature oin end step,protect it with pic related

>>50336778
So you just ban Troll again and the deck starts playing Thug?

Because the only other card they can ban is Bloodghast according to their inconsistent justifications for bans. It's a Rare, it's not used in other decks, and it powers the engine.

>>50336486
Looks legit, no birds though? I feel like all the 3 drops with tough costs would be a pain without them. Lili seems like the best choice for dealing with drawn Haakons, but budget is a bit of an issue.
>>50336396
Do you find you have enough board presence to justify the Luminarch Ascension? I only run it in commander, and only if I have enough fog action to make it go off in 1-2 turn cycles. Seems like there might be better options for enchantment enabling.

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>>50336805
RUG is temur

>>50335809
What decks is Blood Moon keeping out of the format?

Right now it's just a generic answer to Jund/k players who forget to fetch a basic.

>>50336509

>mtggoldfish now rallying for a dredge ban

Learn to read. The article is not rallying for a dredge ban, it's just talking about possible situations for WotC to react towards banning and if they did then these are the most likely outcomes.

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>>50336805

>>50336884
So what do you when someone plays Abrupt Decays?

>>50336891
I basically just run it to put pressure on my opponent. If it actually goes off, I'm pleasantly surprised.

>>50336885
Nah, I'd go back to banning hug and force them to run tormenting voice
I wish they'd actually nerf decks instead of just ban them into oblivion. I'm fine with dredge sticking around but it just gets so much speed and consistency.
>inb4 infect is fast and consistent too!!11!1111!!!
Sure, but it also has to walk a razor thin line to do so, and it can't recur it's threats as consistently, or go as wide as dredge.

>>50336951

Draw a card, duh.

>>50336951
Nothing because Abrupt Decay is truly the type of card that needs to exist.
Other cards that need to exist
>Abrupt Decay
>Negate
>Terminate
>Thoughtseize/IoK and friends
>Relic, Tormod's Crypt and friends
>Leyline of the Void/Sanctity
>Wasteland
>Damnation/Wrath/Anger
Cards that do not need to exist
>Blood Moon
>Tron lands

>>50336994
Why can't we get a 1WU "destroy all creatures with cmc 2 or less" that can't be countered
pls wizards

>>50336994
Fuck you. Why does abrupt decay need to be around? So you don't get your feelings hurt by counterspells?
This isn't legacy

>>50336838
yhea my bad, I meant URG

>>50336982
I think banning Reunion, which I agree is a good move, would actually force them to put in effort. I mean having some guy in the office spend the day writing up why they're banning a common from the most recent set. It would also require them to have someone on staff who gave a shit about Modern.

Then they'd have to consider that that ban might not be good enough because Voice can hold its own and ultimately they have to ban Troll/Bloodghast or whatever else three months later.

I guess what I'm getting at is that I have more faith in my games store burning to the ground today than Wizards doing anything right or timely at the moment. It doesn't help that they've decided to engage the community through Reddit and dogshit social media and the community is so horribly shitty that they'd get shit on no matter what they did.

>>50337133
They have to have given a small shit about modern if they printed the card, it's so clearly aimed at dredge
I think they won't do it because they'd have to admit for the second time in a year that they made a shitty mistake and threw the balance of a format out of whack because they're cunts who only care about standard

>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?
Affinity. I started playing as Scourge was released, so I was all over Mirrodin.
>What would you be playing if it were viable?
Prison Control or Land Destruction.
>What card do you wish was banned, even if it's not unhealthy?
Goyf, but only because I refuse to buy fakes or drop a $100 bill on one.
>If you could have one old card reprinted into modern, what would it be?
Flametongue Kavu.

>>50336891

>No birds?
I generally drop hand hate on t1, what would you cut for birds?

>budget is a bit of an issue.
Then this really isn't the deck for you, LotVs discard is really important to consistently dredging stinkweed into haakons and lands for kotr pump. Maybe if you can find a way to weave in heretical healer but she can't trigger her discard before getting bolted like veil can. Lili is basically a cornerstone of the deck; brutality is a good one shot supplemental discard for getting them out of your opener but that's all you get.

Lili is the only reason I don't have this completed deck in paper yet, but after playing it for so long I know how important it is.

>>50337202
>Lili is the only reason I don't have this completed deck in paper yet, but after playing it for so long I know how important it is.
That's what I figured. I guess I'll just keep my Bant Knightfall list going, since I've already invested a bit into that.

>>50337188
Elves land destruction is surprisingly good, you should give it a shot.

>>50337188
skred and sun/moon are both viable blood moon decks

Why does Tron upset so many people

>>50337334
Because having a good matchup against every deck that tries to secure the midrange board is going to upset people, especially shitbrewers.

>>50337334
very hard to interact with

ive never played modern before and want to get into it. the problem is i can only have fun when other people are not having fun, what is the deck for me?

>>50337381
Legacy Miracles

>>50337381
Lantern Control.

>>50337381
in order
sun/moon or skred
infect
dredge
tron
lantern control
jeskai/grixis control

>>50337334
No interactions pre board and even post board you don't have much

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>>50334664
>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?
Living end. When I started playing mtg one guy had a copy of the card living death I traded for. Think it was from the phyrexia vs coalition duel deck. I made a (bad) deck around milling myself and casting living death to put a bunch of big dumb cards into play. I remember that deck literally included a craw wurm. Anyway, took a break from magic during college and when I returned I learned of a competitive modern deck with basically the same plan, but it was actually good.
>What would you be playing if it were viable?
Monoblack control.
>What card do you wish was banned, even if it's not unhealthy?
fetchlands
>If you could have one old card reprinted into modern, what would it be?
Buried alive.

>>50337457
>>What would you be playing if it were viable?
>Monoblack control.
don't remind me

>>50337334
Because the deck is literally only interesting in the mirror or when the dredge player opts not to return bloodghast and waits until they've taken their turn to return bloodghasts and amalgams to avoid ugin

Ideal tron playline
>t1 tron land, map
>t2 tron land, crack map, get third
>t3 karn/wurmcoil
>t4 ugin/worldbreaker
>t5 find a creature if you haven't yet, beatdown
Oblivion Stone sometime too and sometimes get all the way up to Ulamog

I know there are other playlines with stars/spheres and using slyvan scrying/ancient stirring

>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?

UW Turbo tutelage, because it was my first steps into modern

>What would you be playing if it were viable?

Mass discard

>What card do you wish was banned, even if it's not unhealthy?

Glimpse the unthinkable

>If you could have one old card reprinted into modern, what would it be?

Stasis, without a doubt

Why didn't Tom Ross include Thought-Knots in the SB?
Why did he include Ghost Quarter?
Why no Eternal Scourges?
Why razorverge thicket and brushland over canopy vista?
Why no Life from the Loam?

I'm serious. People hate the deck and it has game against everything fair and I want to git gud with it.

Anyone run Quest for Ula's Temple? I just want to know how many creatures I should have, I'm at 30 currently but I feel like I could cut some and add more spells

>>50337601
This is the modern thread

>>50337643

>He doesnt know about the upcoming Octopus/Leviathan block

lrn2speculate

>>50337662
Hilarious dude

>>50337565
>Glimpse the unthinkable

How does it feel to play within a scrub meta ?

>>50337662
It's Spaghetti and Meatballs block, obviously. Octopus tribal becomes new standard tier 0 and a competitor in modern.

>>50337581
>Why didn't Tom Ross include Thought-Knots in the SB?
He would be casting it t4 or t3 with tron online, but if trons online then why the fuck would you cast a 4 mana card instead of a 6-7 mana I win the game card?
>Why did he include Ghost Quarter?
To stall greedy mana bases while searching for tron.
>Why no Eternal Scourges?
No reason to, deck doesn't need a recursive beater when it can run 7 mana I win cards.
>Why razorverge thicket and brushland over canopy vista?
Canopy always hurts and burn is one of your worst matchups.
>Why no Life from the Loam?
Again, deck doesn't need recursion.

>>50337171
Don't give them so much credit. They didn't print the card thinking of Dredge at all. They didn't think of fuck-all before they printed the card other than Standard implications. It's just another card where they upped the numbers just like a pump spell or conditional burn spell.

I think back to Innistrad where Wizards took CREDIT for designing the Spider Spawning deck after it went crazy. They didn't fucking design the deck, it just happened and it turned out to be amazing, which happens sometimes. They didn't look at Memory's Journey or Runic Repetition and think, "this shit is going to power an engine in Limited". Fuck no, BOTH those cards have existed in Krosan Reclaimation and Repetition is just another dumb fucking keyword card that otherwise should have spent the whole time rotting in players' boxes. If they fucking released design notes proving they didn't stumble across it then I'd believe them but you know they won't because they didn't.

Also, there is no fucking way they looked at Amalgam and thought, "this is going to be great for Dredge". No fucking way. They are not that aware. There are too many fuck-ups and not enough transparency to pass out any credit and I will invoke Occam's Razor for that. The best I'll give them for Amalgam is thinking about Gravecrawler and/or Geralf's Messenger but nobody cared about Dredge.

This isn't a company that loves us. And they'll use every business trick in the book to look like saints in front of us. And the thing is that the community is just begging for attention and too fucking stupid to take everything they say at face value. The community is children or fucking man-children who don't know how the world works. They would rather see that the company is on top of things because they assume they have infinite resources when they are not.

>SCG Knoxville top 16
>Literally 0000 (Zero) dredge

Oh geez what a broken turn 3 deck that you can't hate and is scouring the format amirite?

>>50337988
>Knoxville
To be fair, TN is full of retards. Nothing from there can be taken as an adequate representation of the rest of the world.

Like the time lantern control got first place at an event in oklahoma. LMAO.

>>50337988
babies are gonna cry anyway. If dredge gets a ban they will be crying over affinity next until the only viable deck will be UWx control because aggro/combo is """""toxic"""""

>>50335892
Lantern isn't a control deck. It's a prison deck.
I really wish the meme that those are the same thing would end.

>>50338028

>Underestimating states like Oklahoma and Knoxville

Its like you don't know how Trump was able to win.

>>50338072
>Knoxville
>a state
Drumpfkins btfo how will they ever recover???

>>50338068
Prison is a form of control.

>>50338068
Then why is it called Lantern Control?
Next you're going to be telling me Tron is Aggro/Combo?
Lantern really is a prison deck, tho

>>50338072
I'm pretty sure he was able to win because he secured Florida and managed to flip Pennsylvania by some miracle

>>50338156
plz keep politics out of modern general

Scapeshift, Madcap Experiment, Bring to Light. 4 of each (+2 Emperion). Gonna make it happen.

>>50337988

Even if a deck lke Norin Sisters won top 8 people will complain about not "having a good way to kill off Norin." The community is shit; too reliant on bans/unbans instead of getting good. The pros aren't making this better since they also propagate the same shit if its bad for their pet decks. To be fair though, WotC definitely had a hand with fostering this attitude. Maybe if they didnt ban cards for the sake of shaking up the format then maybe we won't have this pathetic display.

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>>50334664
>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?
U/W delver tempo ft. Spell Queller and Disrupting Shoal. I'm in love with it because I brewed it up a few days ago and it's getting a lot of my attention at the moment. More of an infatuation. Casting a Spell Queller just feels incredibly good.

>What would you be playing if it were viable?
MBC, some janky pile of proto-MBC was my first ever deck so it would be nice to bust it back out for the nostalgia

>What card do you wish was banned, even if it's not unhealthy?
Become Immense. Infect feels like it would be fairer without it.

>If you could have one old card reprinted into modern, what would it be?
Equilibrium, that could be fun

>>50338260

Play Intervention Pact

>>50338068

Prison or "lock" decks are a type of control deck. In fact that's exactly how Control decks started waaaaay back in the 90's with Moat, Winter Orb, Stasis etc.

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>>50334664
>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?
tooth and nail, i love ramping and playing giant creatures

>What would you be playing if it were viable?
wolfrun ramp with kalonian hydra and triumph of the horde
>What card do you wish was banned, even if it's not unhealthy?

snapcaster mage

>If you could have one old card reprinted into modern, what would it be?
pic related

>>50338387
I've tried that. It's substantially more janky than just using Madcap into Emperion as a delay and alternate win con to Scapeshift.

>playing against eldrazi&T
>be on the play with grixis
>>ancestral vision
>aether vial
>>pass with 2 mana
>leonin arbiter, gets bolted
>>pass with three mana
>thalia, gets bolted
>>pass again, have terminate and snap+bolt available
>vial in arbiter, play wasteland strangler, terminate arbiter
>>pass again, have bolt+snap/terminate
>plays arbiter and attacks with strangler, flash in snap, give flashback to bolt and trade with strangler
>opponent plays ghost quarter and tries to strip mine my only black source, bolt arbiter in resp, get swamp
>opponent leaves the game

>>50338513
>Timmy wants more green creature shit and wants to ban unfun snappy because it hurts his big fwends
Kys

>>50338628
this is modern general, not competitive, we gotta let timmy fester in his own shit if he wants
that's what based maro says

>>50338513

>pic related

I'd slam this in Elves right now.

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>>50338604
Congratulations on your nut draw it's very impressive

>tfw decided to get into modern with dredge because it was pretty cheap and I liked the playstyle
>Literally everyone is crying about dredge right now and calling for bans
Is modern always this full of people crying for bans? If dredge is so popular and such a big part of the meta why not just tech against it heavily?

>>50338866
yes

>>50338866
no

>>50338866
yes

>>50338866
maybe

>>50338866
>Is modern always this full of people crying for bans?

yes

>>50338866
>If dredge is so popular and such a big part of the meta why not just tech against it heavily?

Eceryone alrleady puts at least 2 GY hate cards in their sideboard, sometimes more.

>>50338866
>Is modern always this full of people crying for bans?
its not just modern

>>50338866
Could be possible

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>>50338068
>me no like archetype

>>50337806
>Again, deck doesn't need recursion.
It's against land hate and Loam is strictly better since it can't be hated out can be casted t2 against fulminator mages.

>>50338866
can you repeat the question?

I want to play Anafenza to stick it to dredge players but Junk is kinda boring to play. In what else can I play her in abzan colors ?

>>50339326
junk

All Commander products are made legal in modern. Does the format improve?

>>50338866
Dredge is quite literally the only deck in modern against which no traditional form of interaction beyond Anger of the Gods works at all and that has the consistency of burn combined with the raw power of Amulet Bloom. Every other beatdown deck folds to non-exiling sweepers, sufficient combination of spot removal, discard and/or counters, against Dredge the game turns into nuke my yard by turn 2 or lose and stops being Magic: the Gathering. Everyone going to a big event is already packing 3-4 pieces of yard hate which realistically is the maximum since you can fit since besides Dredge there's 50 other flavors of uninteractive aggro to worry about + Tron, Valakut decks, Ad Nauseam and BGx, the EV of running 4 Leylines 4 Tormod's Crypts just isn't there.

>>50339371
Unban drs and dread return
reprint cabal therapy, wasteland

Format fixed.

>>50339326
Abzan company and Abzan chorde

>>50339371
So to answer your question, no modern isn't always like this. Even Amulet Bloom, against which everything from discard, counters, Blood Moon and Path to Exile did help, wasn't this equivocally wanted the fuck out of the format. Twin was the tempo police that would keep shit like Dredge, Suicide, Kiln Fiend and Infect from running wild while being a good matchup for fair BGx decks and without it the only option is to ban the fastest and unfair decks to have some semblance of health in the format.

>>50339410
Fuck off. Anyone saying unban drs is retarded

>>50339410
Fuck off.

>>50339356

No. Merfolk becomes tier 1 as it slams True Name Nemesis into the face over and over again.

>>50339486
Why would unbanning it be bad? The gy needs more interaction right now.

>>50339557
The format doesn't need a one mana walker.

>>50339569
Fine, just make a one mana dork that exiles any card in a graveyard for one mana of any color.

>>50339584
Then it would be unplayable and still too slow vs Dredge even on the play since the modern version has basically all business cards beside the lands and excess enablers. You'd want to exile Narcos as they pop up, Amalgams, dredgers and Conflagrate.

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>>50338866

Only the people who are bad and don't know shit about the format and how WotC thinks and operates. Ironically some of these people are saying that Amulet Bloom did nothing wrong but Dredge needs a ban which is bollocks when you see pic related but even then it took a while for them to consider bans.

The only thing WotC will most likely do is put Golgari Grave Troll back on the banlist, I'd be very surprised if WotC put a ban on Cathartic, Bloodghast, Amalgam or Neonate but I don't think that will happen. I will be doubly surprised if they ban both GGT and Stinkweed Imp.

Remember aristocrats ? I miss saccing shit and getting my stuff bigger.

What kind of card would we need to make the deck viable in modern ?

>>50339816
First of all fuck Logan Mize.

Second isn't that the guy who palmed his opening seven to get the perfect draw every time?

>>50339816

And the worst part is that GGT was a fine unban until they printed a bunch of other nuts shit that blew dredge out of the fucking park, and then it's just the problem that grave troll always gets better and better with whatever free grave creatures and cycling they print.

>>50339935

No not the same guy in the picture. The guy you're thinking of was Stephen Speck.

>First of all fuck Logan Mize.

What did he do?

>>50340037
>What did he do?
He looks like a Disney villain and also he's kind of a prick

>>50339996

In my opinion the card that pushed it over the edge was Insolent Neonate. That thing is almost as good as Bazaar of Baghdad in setting up a turn 1 dredge in Modern.

>>50340048

>He looks like a Disney villain and also he's kind of a prick

Hahahhahaha! Yeah ok I can sorta see that.

>>50339816
>combo deck comboes vs another combo deck that runs no interaction
How was this a problem?

>>50340147

Because he slammed out all those cards you see in that picture that are in play and in his graveyard on Turn 3.

>>50340175
So what? Against no interactio he could have been playing Storm or Infect for the same effect.

>>50340253
This. Uninteractive babbies can't bitch when another Uninteractive deck manages to get the heart of the cards assembled first

>>50338866
Wizards set a precedent by banning so much shit in a short period of time. People get annoyed when decks stronger than theirs when it got banned are somehow ok now.

Whats the skill tiers for online clients?
MTGO > COCK > Xmage?

if I had a Soulfire Grand Master in play, then play a Blasphemous Act, would Blasphemous Act have lifelink even as Soulfire dies?

>>50340856
Yes

>>50340856
Yup. It deals the damage, lifelink triggers then all creatures die

>>50340856
she doesn't need to be alive after the trigger goes on the stack.

>>50334664
>what little offense
>little chance
Feels so fucking redundant

Thinking about getting into modern. Are there any budget decks I can build to try it out?

Lifelink isn't a trigger, you gain the life before Soulfire grandmaster even dies because it happens as the damage is dealt and Soulfire doesn't die until state based actions are checked after blasphemous act resolves

>>50340884
isn't it a continuous effect? pretty sure she has to be alive when it resolves, not when it's cast, if they bolt her in response you won't gain the life.

>>50340999
Nope. This >>50340968

most fun eldrazi deck that isn't tron or bant?

>>50341038
RG with that haste eldrazi that steals a creature til EoT

>>50341038
Bant is pretty great. So it tron. I think esper could be cute

>>50340959
Mono-G Stompy.

>>50341038
>Eldrazi
>Fun
pick one

>>50341038
W/B Eldrazi Taxes

Flickerwisp + Eldrazi displacer is pretty fun

You can also displace a Leonin Arbiter once they've paid for a search effect to make them pay twice

Lotta fun stuff

>actually thinking GGT will get banned again

Wew.
I'm expecting the Conflagrate+Life from the Loam combo to get hit. Probably Loam because it's the one with Dredge mechanic.

>thinking anything new will be banned
Good one.

>>50341187

>conflagrate+loam
>slow engine
>literally thinking this is the part of dredge that should see a hit
>loam is only in dredge because it is a creature enabler

LOL

>>50341058
don't you have to pay mana to steal tho?

>>50341064
I just want to be a contrarian

>>50341090
both pls

>>50341107
I think I saw that on mtggoldfish, did it run Athreos? I was heavily considering it so I'll just go for it

>>50341434
Good meme.
But you see, that combo is what provides all of Dredge's non-creature damage. It is akin to Infect in that it halves an opponent's life total, and is what allows the deck so much reliability.

I am sorry this subject is too deep for you.

>>50341434
>>50341545
Or, rather, because "reliability" can be misinterpreted:
The Confligrate/Loam combo is Dredge's second game plan if creatures are not able to do the job.

How does one beat Eldrazi nut draws? Or not even nut draws, just draws with TKS and only one of a dork or a temple, or G to dig 5 deep and get your TKS or temple.

>>50340253

Because even with Abzan CoCo that deck can't power out turn 3 wins by grabbing out 10+ cards. Amulet Bloom deck powered out not only 8+ lands but also 4 6/6 Primeval Titan's by turn 3. Also despite what you may think Abzan CoCo actually does interact, it plays a fair number of silver bullet dudes.

>>50338628
Snapcaster should have been red

>>50341545

None of your post is valid and you have simply confirmed that you are mentally retarded.

>>50341662
Let it go

>>50341672
Give me more time mister, I haven't even posted anything outlandish yet.

>>50341107
I'm on mono-white Death & Taxes right now. decks great aside from having a very uphill matchup against Fish. you can still power out TKS with Temples but you're playing more of a traditional White Weenie game as opposed to midrangey flicker with Stranglers, Scullers, etc.

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thinking about buying into modern and want to go the control route. Im aware that nahiri would probably be the better route to go but i have a softspot for thopters and there are already a few nahiri players at my LGS

any comments on this beyond >modern >control ?

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13022&d=276003&f=MO

>>50341662
That's what dank dwellers is for :^]

what is your jankiest brew that you secretly think has potential?

4 Life from the Loam
4 Gifts Ungiven
3 Realms Uncharted

4 Abrupt Decay
3 Raven's Crime
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Darkblast
1 Smother
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Mindslaver

2 Worm Harvest
3 The Gitrog Monster
1 Griselbrand
3 Knight of the Reliquary

1 Unburial Rites
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Snapcaster Mage
1 Mutagenic Growth

4 Gemstone Mine
1 Flooded Strand
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Polluted Delta
1 Forest
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Godless Shrine
1 Dakmor Salvage
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Plains
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Mortuary Mire
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Tectonic Edge
1 Drownyard Temple
1 Academy Ruins
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

>>50341768
4 Ancestral Vision
2-4 Cryptic
2 Sphinx Revelation
4 Celestial Colonnade
2-4 Snapcaster
4 Path to Exile
1 Supreme Verdict

This is the control shell in Modern. You can insert any win condition off the back of these cards. Your third color will fill out the burn/removal/value-removal.

>>50338628
Why so mad ? :)

>>50341979
Green and Blue players are natural enemies.
One wants to make "big," "impressive," plays in his personal solitaire game, and the other wants to tout his own intelligence by ruining all your (carelessly) laid plans.

>>50341028
You are either wrong or read the question wrong. >>50340999 said that Grandmaster needs to be alive when the spell resolves, which is true. >>50340968 is correct in saying that blasphemous act + soulfire grandmaster = a ton of life, but blasphemous act resolves before grandmaster dies. If you have a SFG, cast blasphemous act, and then your opponent bolts SFG your act will not have lifelink.

>>50341979
>4 hours later
You seem to be the one who is upset

>>50341558
Wizard's doesn't ban the secondary game plan, they didn't ban Hive Mind or Snapcaster Mage even though they were both solid secondary plans that pushed their decks over the top. The only card to ban is Grave Troll because it is the engine that makes the deck function. Still probably not gonna get banned though, dredge doesn't violate the turn 4 rule more often than any other aggro deck like affinity or burn and it doesn't constitute enough of the meta to get banned for that. Like wizards looks mostly at top 8's of official events (GP's, Pro Tours, World Championships) and dredge hasn't really made a significant showing in any of those yet. Only one quarterfinals appearance at dallas. It isn't even the top dog on mtgo at the moment.

Babbies just like to cry when they feel that modern is hostile to their pet deck. Jund and Jeskai players are just salty that they don't rule tier 1 anymore.

I'm pretty sure that banning Troll again just gets it substituted by Thug. Yes, you're going to lose percentage points but who the fuck cares. You're still shitting out 7-12 power a turn.

>>50342234

>Jund and Jeskai players are just salty that they don't rule tier 1 anymore.

Good, those decks are just boring as fuck. Admittedly Jeskai less so.

>>50342276
The difference between troll and thug is the same as the between cathartic and tormenting voice, which was a significant buff to the deck. Losing a third of it's effectiveness, not even including hard casting in long games, is nothing to scoff at.

>>50342302

True, I just cant see the appeal in those decks. Im playing modern MtG, a format that has over the top plays and lightning fast speed. It's not even the interesting kind of slow like Tezzerator or U-based Tron decks, or loam pox. If I wanted to play goodstuff.dec I'll play standard.

That said, Infect is pretty boring imo

>>50334664
dredge is going to get banned out in January and I have a feeling a key card for infect is gonna make the list too.

What moves are you going to make?

>>50342743
depending on how hard the dredge ban is probably play some more niche graveyard strategies now that there will be less hate

>>50342743
You're implying WotC will actually do anything.
But anyway, I'll just keep playing Skred until White stops being the shittiest color in the format.

>>50334664
>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?
Grixis Delver, land a cheap threat and protect it whilst disrupting your opponent
>What would you be playing if it were viable?
GW or Bant Heroic
>What card do you wish was banned, even if it's not unhealthy?
Aether Vial, just too much value produced for a single mana
>If you could have one old card reprinted into modern, what would it be?
Peregrine Drake, it would be my pet shitty combo control deck with Deadeye Navigator, I run it in EDH and I love it. As for something actually good, Force, Daze, Cabal Therapy or Hymn

>>50334981
Deathrite would be sweet, maindeck dredge hate

>>50336994
>Cards that do not need to exist
>Blood Moon
This is wrong and you should feel wrong.

>>50337381
Lantern.

>>50338348
>To be fair though, WotC definitely had a hand with fostering this attitude. Maybe if they didnt ban cards for the sake of shaking up the format then maybe we won't have this pathetic display.
It's also their fault for creating a format that can only be shaken up by banning cards.

>>50338866
Yes, but so is everything else these days. Nobody ever loses to luck, experience, or skill. It's always just the opponent exploiting unbalanced mechanics.

>>50339308
You're not the boss of me now

>>50340959
Budget RG aggro is dirt cheap, budget *-rack is also fairly cheap.

>>50341659
>8+ lands but also 4 6/6 Primeval Titan's by turn 3
How do you do that? I get the Amulet + Bloom + bouncy land combo, but how does that get you all that on turn 3?

>>50334664

>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?
Runeflare Trap combo. I did this long before it was posted on mtggoldfish because the deck used to be an old Standard deck circa Alara/Zen standard. I gave it a new home since Fevered Visions and Geistflame were printed.
>What would you be playing if it were viable?
Enchantress
>What card do you wish was banned, even if it's not unhealthy?
Grove of the Burnwillows, so Punishing Fire can be unbanned safely.
>If you could have one old card reprinted into modern, what would it be?
Some of the Legacy Elf stuff like Wirewood Symbiote or Quirion Ranger.

>>50343147
Why would you want punishing fire without grove? It would see zero play.

>>50334664
>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?
Affinity. Loved since Mirrodin
>What would you be playing if it were viable?
Scepter control
>What card do you wish was banned, even if it's not unhealthy?
blood moon
goyf
>If you could have one old card reprinted into modern, what would it be?
survival of the fittest

Currently playing cascabalance because I love wrecking 1k+ decks with jank

>>50343391
>restore balance
>jank
it's a really solid core for naya superfriends

>>50343408
>jank card is core to jank deck
checks out

>>50341502
I personally don't run Athreos but there's a few flex slots in the deck you can have fun with

>>50334664
>>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?
Jund. It's been my favorite since I started magic. I love winning by just absolutely shitting on my opponent as hard as I can.

>>What would you be playing if it were viable?
Some sort of Jund linear aggro. I love playing threats on curve each turn. Black/Red Zombies was my favorite standard deck ever.

>>What card do you wish was banned, even if it's not unhealthy?
Probably should be Blood Moon, but I run it so I can take it or leave it.

>>If you could have one old card reprinted into modern, what would it be?
Does wanting Bloodbraid unbanned count?

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Well Modern General Looking for a bit of advice and tips I am looking to buy a tier 2 or budget modern deck to help ease a friend into the format. He Really likes tokens particularly spirit tribal and that led me to think, Would the Modern event deck be a good start for him to get into our lgs modern nights or should I point him towards some of the more budget red burn decks which he also enjoys?

>>50344020
If you want him to do well burn otherwise tokens. The event deck is aight but I'd suggest rolling your own. Cheaper and more effective.

World magic cup decks are in!
Surprise! Dredge and Infect at the top, infect on there twice

>>50344192
Also, based /greece/ took it, repping from the motherland

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Play any interesting games today /tg/?

>>50343207

That's exactly it. The card was only banned because of the Grove engine. Otherwise the card is perfectly fine to have existing and to bring in against particular decks.

Anyone here play 8 seas merfolk?
I'm not on it but lately I've been thinking of making the switch with how much work spreading seas puts in

>>50344442
Such as?

>>50344273
>ORing
>Secret Tech
As what, Path #5?

>>50344523
Hits any non-land, unlike path. Martyr proc plays very, very long games, Oring allows you to deal with anything.

>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?

Burn. I got sick of control/tempo decks during Innistrad-Ravnica standard, so when modern came I chose a deck that was fast, if weak late game.

>What would you be playing if it were viable?

Faeries. As mentioned above, I don't like control, but I'm willing to play that type of game if it means playing my two favorite colors and my favorite tribe and have it be GOOD.

>What card do you wish was banned, even if it's not unhealthy?

Prized Amalgam. I'm fine with GGT, but prized amalgam is to me what is letting Dredge by unstoppable.

Though I'd say the same about Infect and Affinity if I really had a chapped ass about those decks.

>If you could have one old card reprinted into modern, what would it be?

Price of Progress. It'll never see the light of day, but man it would be stupid if it was.

>>50344541
Sure, but a Path would've worked fine against that Plat Angel.

>>50344457

Kitchen Finks mostly. It's a reusable removal spell against the Melira+Finks combo as well. But otherwise the card itself doesn't do anything degenerate.

>>50344594

Why not BOTH?

>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?
Monored burn. It's easy on the wallet and really efficient, especially when your opponent goes crazy with their manabase.
>What would you be playing if it were viable?
R/W Soul Sisters. Impact Tremors + Norin is tasty.
>What card do you wish was banned, even if it's not unhealthy?
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben. She always seems to screw me over harder than she reasonably should.
>If you could have one old card reprinted into modern, what would it be?
Just give me more lightning bolt reprints. It should not cost me $3 for a fucking bolt.

>>50344602
Like I said, Path #5.

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pls r8 my ramshackle delver pile.
RUG is where my heart truly lies but i decided to put this together for the intervening years before i can afford goyfs
haven't gotten to play it yet but my next planned cops are v. clique and the first tarn/second grave because 11 threats is really sketchy and 2 crypts feels awkward

>>50334664
>reprinted
i n n o c e n t b l o o d
also memory lapse

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>>50334664
Reprint

TERRAVORE

I was just thinking of the outline of a deck so I'll put it up here.

4 Boros Reckoners
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Burning-Tree Emissary
4 Kindle the Carnage

Some number of
Brain in a Jar
Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx

Then fuse cards like Boom // Bust,Beck//Call.
Leylines to really bullshit it up.

>>50343498
should I get the aether vials first?

>>50338348
>too reliant on bans/unbans instead of getting good
"Getting good" only gets you so far in some cases.

>>50337133
They have no qualms with banning a standard legal common from non rotating formats. See Treasure Cruise.

>>50341659
Yes it can you retard, mana dork into Melira and Seer into t3 coco or hardcast finks is game. Your getting hung up on the details, lots of decks in Modern especially without Twin end the game by turn 3 with a good draw. Playing a 1-of creature you can tutor for that reads "don't lose matchup" is not interaction.

>>50336008
underrated post

>>50339274
What is Loam strictly better than?
I was thinking use it to get back sanctum/ghost quarter and against land destruction.

>>50340805
mtgo doesn't let you make illegal plays

cockatrice is like irl in that nothing is done for you, but you gotta talk to your opponent and it's more of a pain than irl

xmage may or may not be correct but it's auto

>>50341662
go away maro
actually that makes the card better and always castable under blood moon and I can use my three islands in the deck for cryptic and not need to bother with a fourth

>>50341920
Where are your Serum Visions?
And the options really are just red for bolt or red and black for kolaghans command and terminate, at that point, probably drop white
so, jeskai or grixis only

>>50341768
option 1: http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/jeskai-control-in-dallas-top-4/

option 2: http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/grixis-control-deck-guide-2/

Nahiri is an option but sucks because the plan is just hope to plus her twice without her taking damage. Although with basic plains she can out blood moon.

>>50345724
mtgo is also missing some key legacy playable cards from conspiracy 1 and 2, most notably palace jailer
but in terms of modern play it's certainly the best without respect to cost

>>50342138
Sorry im not watching the thread like a hawk have other things to do :)

>>50343034

>How do you do that? I get the Amulet + Bloom + bouncy land combo, but how does that get you all that on turn 3?

Combination of tapping out for mana in between Amulet triggers, casting a Summer Bloom and playing 3x more lands and tapping out multiple times in between triggers again and transmuting Tolaria West for Summoner's Pact and casting Primeval Titan getting 2 more bounce lands, tapping in between the Amulet triggers again and casting Primeval Titan etc.

>>50345346

Your situation is extreme fishing and very unlikely to be consistent as opposed to the Amulet Bloom scenario. Abzan CoCo can at least be interrupted with removal on the mana dork where as Amulet Bloom can't really be interacted with once the Summer Bloom and Amulet goes off.

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Here is a picture of my card combo that I want to build a deck around.
Should I make the deck more control or should I try and make the deck faster to go off ASAP?

>>50345819
If you knew any math you'd know that even with Stirrings the odds of finding 3 amulets by turn 3 is about 3-5% so the g3 scenario was extremely unlikely, unlike finding n-of combo pieces while seeing 16+ cards with company by turn 3-4.
The following common modern plays were all good vs Bloom:
Thoughtseize Iok Remand Ancient Grudge Nature's Claim Mana Leak Spell Pierce Blood Moon Path to Exile Ghost Quarter

>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?
Originally burn was my favorite and first modern deck, just a cheap fair deck that has like 1 gameplan.

Lately infect though, winning turn 3 with both hexproof unblockable and counters for backup is bonkers

>What would you be playing if it were viable?
Okay so basically the worst burn game plan imaginable

Tainted remedy and congregate/any spells that say target player gains life

>What card do you wish was banned, even if it's not unhealthy?
Goyf, it's too good for its cmc and is played in all green creature decks

>If you could have one old card reprinted into modern, what would it be?

Price of progress, tier 0 burn please

>>50346103

Out of all those cards, only 4 of them would be in the maindeck of most decks at the time. It's not even the fact about finding 3 amulets which made the deck absurd and you're cherrypicking on that argument.

If you knew any actual logic and actually played the deck you'd know that a single Summer Bloom and Amulet was enough to power out a large enough advantage turn 2 and be setup far ahead on turn 3. There were rare cases of 1 turn kills or turn 1 Primeval Titan's with a SSG but most often than not you are able to power it out turn 2 and you'd be so far ahead on card advantage with lands and a Primeval Titan or two.

>>50346057

Ask yourself if a 4 card combo is strong enough to beat most other decks.

>>50345710
Better than Crucible.

I love how they ban Preordain and Ponder but leave Ancient Stirrings unchecked in a format of Devoid Bant Eldrazi. So you can either find land or threat and dig 5 cards to do so!

>>50346281
Stirrings doesn't enable combo though, only midrange and control. Combo is bad people! t: maro

>>50346281
>serum visions is one of the top 10 most played cards in modern
>we totally need a strictly better version
lets print bolt that hits for 4 while we're at it. IoK should take 2 cards. Print StP.

>>50342810
You can play Sun/Moon :)

>>50346378
>playing white in a deck that can't run path
that's half the white card pool in modern gone from the start

>>50344616
>Just give me more lightning bolt reprints. It should not cost me $3 for a fucking bolt.
This.

>>50345805
Thanks, I forgot to take into account the lands that primeval titan gets.

>>50344565
Amalgam would have been fine if they actually put the 'cannot block' line on there
Or it wasn't a 3/3 for free, but like a 3/1 or something.
Or you could only recur one each turn.

>>50344777
I think it looks okay. Why five bolts? Have you tried Thing in the Ice?
I'm not trolling. I know it works better in decks with all phyrexian mana spells + temur battle rage, but It could be a sideboard thing

>>50346175
>>50346175
It's not strictly better because under blood moon the only way to cast Loam is basic forest.
In general, though, Loam is better because it isn't outed by all the red artifact destruction that Fulminator Mage decks are playing, unless they're something like Esper.

But Tom Ross didn't include Crucible nor Loam. If I'm going to play tron, would you recommend I do include Loam? I'm starting on his list because I need to learn the deck first and need some place to start.

Would you include Temple Garden over Razorverge Thicket? after you have tron assembled, Temple Garden is better because you can choose to have it ETB untapped.

>>50346494
Loam+quarter is the only way you'll win the mirror on the draw and you get your forest from ghost quarter vs the LD decks anyway. Brushland is your GW land that comes in untapped, paining yourself once or twice max before you can untap with thicket is better than always taking 2. Thragtusk is fairly pointless since he's too late vs burn and suicide zoo and claims+alliances gain you enough life to stabilize. If you expect Ad Nauseam run 1-2 Pithing Needles which forces them to draw their 1-of Echoing Truth since Lab Man doesn't win through Ostone/Path/Sudden Shock if you play RG.

>>50346673
Well Pact of Negation works vs Path but you get the idea. If you can pressure their mana with Karn and life with Wurmcoi they might be forced to Spoils early and mill key pieces.

>>50334664

>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?

Modern Enchantress

>What would you be playing if it were viable?

Modern Enchantress

>What card do you wish was banned, even if it's not unhealthy?

snapcaster mage no real reason, just to made autists mad

>If you could have one old card reprinted into modern, what would it be?

Sterling Grove

>What's your pet deck, and what made you fall in love with it?
Esper Spirits. Very similar to Merfolk but trades its signature blinding speed for an amazing tempo / control package and improved adaptability. Way more resilient than Merfolk to Wrath and Pyroclasm.

>What would you be playing if it were viable?
Grixis Burn

>What card do you wish was banned, even if it's not unhealthy?
Ugin really rustles my jimmies.

>If you could have one old card reprinted into modern, what would it be?
Daze.

>>50345724
>>50345778
I meant which has the best players really.

>>50346945
Mtgo by a massive margin. Leagues in MTGO have entry fees and prize structure which makes players try hard with t1 decks.

>>50340805
anything with a paywall is immediately better as it keeps the scum out

Cockatrice is making me racist against Italians, every time I see that tricolore there's a skillless rude asshole behind it

>>50342302
>It's another "I'm too poor to play these decks so I'll display my sour grapes by insisting they're boring" episode

>>50344818
My hero!

>>50346057
Disciple of the Vault if you want to go three colors can help you if you need another wincon.

>>50346057
Obviously Serum Visions for dig, I've seen piles with mb ancient grudges to get value out of liquimetal even without the combo.

>>50338122
>Tron is a control deck because when it can't find its COMBO it must be reactive and remove threats

since I'm poorfag and can't play mtgo, what you recommend I play on cockatrice or xmage?

Any comfy players here? You know what I'm talking about. Grab a cup of hot cocoa, a blanket and get ready for a 55 minute game 1 cause I'm on turbofog/pillowfort

>>50347702
Who cares? No one else does. Just jam some jank together and be like everyone else.

>>50347721
Is there an 'infinite' combo like Meren/Karador + Spore Frog that's legal in modern?

>>50346057

3 card combo is fantasy land unless they're creatures.

Sure you can Fabricate or w/e to hit the Coating, but finding Saheeli is gonna be ROUGH.

I'll be happy if you prove me wrong though, it looks fun. Plus it's actually a fixed loop so you can shortcut it.

>>50347025
>hating Naya
You're a shit person

>>50346299

more like "ban Bolt and Path, Lightning Strike and Journey To Nowhere are good enough"

>>50347793
but shitaly isn't naya, it's shitaly

>>50347754
Nope. Just a hope and a prayer that I'm not against tron

>>50347815
neither of those cards see any significant modern play (well JTN is seeing some in Sun and Moon I guess). Serum visions sees significant amounts of modern play, it's clearly good enough.

>>50347754

uh, Isochron Scepter?

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>>50347820
Then Jeskai isn't 'Murica?
Fight me fgt

>>50347852

And Serum Visions sees play because Ponder and Preordain are banned.

>>50347879
And lightning strike and JTN wouldn't see play if bolt and path were banned. That's the distinction. Serum visions is a proven powerful card, good enough for decks that consistently top 8. The fact that strictly better options exist doesn't mean it's not powerful.

>>50347928

how about banning Goyf because Grim Flayer would be good enough

Okay I feel dumber just for writing this post but I will persevere in this argument anyway

>>50347959
because one isn't strictly better than the other. No one is asking for Opt though. They're asking for straight upgrades.

>>50347874
Because America is the only country that has those three colors as their flag, right.
Russia and North Korea are also RWU
It really makes me cringe when people refer to RWU colors as American.

>>50348006
Also Australia and NZ, and UK.

>>50348022
And France

>>50348022
I excluded those out because 'murica fags typically hate on commie countries.
Also France, South Korea, Netherlands, Thailand and more.

>>50348045
>>50348032
>>50348022
>>50348006
but none of the countries you guys listed so far as so full of themselves that when they see 2 basic colours and fucking white think "muh flag"

>>50344088
Burn ain't budget anymore senpai
The deck costs like 800 bucks now

If you are gonna recommend a budget deck, recommend Stompy, Soul Sisters, or U Tron

>>50344818
I support this action.
Mortivore was part of the same cycle and its been reprinted plenty of times.

>>50347191
To be honest senpai any deck whose gameplan is literally just "play the best cards in my colors" is gonna sound boring to most people.

>>50349154

And it's near strictly worse than knight of the reliquary by quite a lot, it's just not in W

>>50349447
Terravore has trample though

>>50346446
forked bolt? it's just efficient burn
never tried thing and i'm not sure what matchups i'd bring it in for. maybe bolt or token decks?

>>50349136
>like 800 bucks now
If that number isn't exaggerated you may as well splurge and get fucking jund. 800 can cover the most expensive 12 cards easily

>>50335809
>Seriously, what does it keep in check?

Basics you Hearthstone reject

The card has been in the game for longer than you've been alive, shut up already

>>50350413
Not him but fuck you. Blood moon effects either need to not exist or exist in more than one colour. Otherwise it punishes greedy mana bases to ridiculous different degrees

>>50350260

The last burn build to earn a top place in a tourney (2nd place) cost $1086 on TCG player to build.

It's pretty fucked up.

>>50350551
Fucking christ

>>50350551
>>50350260
I hope you already bought as many swiftspears and revel eidolons as you can manage because they're going to be stupid expensive

And of course get set to buy as many memedrazi as possible once they rotate out

>>50350444
>Blood moon effects either need to not exist or exist in more than one colour.

Awful trips first of all

Different colors just have different effects, that's how the game works.

In white you have things like Armageddon, in Blue you have Back to Basics (which is arguably more powerful than Blood Moon) and Spreading Seas , in Green you have Choke , in Black you don't have a ton but there used to be land destruction

Greedy Mana is Greedy Mana. You only have to learn how to play around the different effects. Vs Blood Moon you need to suck it up. When I play a blue deck, I accept that someone might play Choke (okay nobody does because Blue is pretty ass atm)

>>50346793
>Esper Spirits

Got a list?

>>50349447
It has trample
Goyf, countryside crusher, KotR, terravore.
Loam, molten vortex, seismic assault, flame jab, worm harvest

We now have a dangerous lands deck in modern

>>50347191
>It's another "I wasted thousands on basically a Standard deck with some cards being 1 CMC less versions so I'll display my sour grapes by insisting that other people are poor" episode

>>50350551
To be fair, that guy was running Scalding Tarns for whatever reason. he could have shaved 200 dollars off had he been using Bloodstained Mires instead.

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>>50335809
>>it makes people unhappy
You put your worst reason at first place. you deserve to lose every game you run against blood moon

>>50350624
>claims different colours have different effects when talking about a card from the dark
>equates a land hate card that hits all lands to choke, a card that hates it's enemy colour from a set with lots of single linear hate cards like boil.
>claims black doesn't have land hate when it has sinkhole and contagion
Fucking retarded.
Back to basics is weaker than blood moon. Blood moon completely negates a u/w duel. Back to basics says you can use it once. For a card gthatg requires u to cast it's obvious which is more powerful.
>different colours have different effects
And in modern we only have one of the cards you just listed. What does that say about the power of mana hate among colours, ergo, why blood moon shouldn't exist in modern, or other colours should also get similar effects.

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>>50350986
>Bloodmoon negates a U/W duel
>When you can just remand it, mana leak it, disenchant it.
Wew lad

>>50351016
Not realizing I mean this
>blood moon is resolved
>have a hallowed fountain mountain
I'll cast a spell
>remand. Tapping my duel mountain for a blue

>>50351066
You only have the one land by turn 3?
Well you weren't going to win anyway

>>50351066
Why did you let blood moon resolve against your U/W deck you dumb nigger? Why didn't you just fetch basics before turn 3 and D-sphere it? Why didn't you float the mana for disenchant and kill it? Are you just mad that you lose games where you make all of the wrong decisions?

>>50351066
Play islands then?

>>50350986
>tap plains
>play fragmentize targeting blood moon

lel so hard

>>50334783
Eight and a half tails worship.

>>50341768
clearly guardsman is the pick here

At what point do I start maindecking pillar of flame in UR Delver? Is it that time yet?

>>50352377
It's not a new chart, nor is it MtG related.
Imperium picks are too strong, between Guardsman, Commissar, and the Big E. Admech is perfect for /g/ays as well.
None of them have a serious downside, and the benefits are too good.

>>50350986
>Blood moon completely negates a u/w duel.
Play basic lands. Problem solved.

>>50350624

I'd argue in Green you have Veteran Explorer. Nic Fit has been making great use of it to blow past decks that lack basic lands, relying to heavy on nonbasics to carry them, and powering out meaty mid-range threats while stripping an opponent's hand of answers.

>>50346108

It's not 'viable', but I rock my casual circle with a BW Tainted Remedy deck which runs Beacon of Immortality as it's primary win condition. I hear 2 card combo's are good.

>>50347191

Not even. I've got access to an entirely foiled out Jund deck and the deck design and playstyle is just boring. I'm not adverse to playing good decks but I abhor playing mirror matches in MTG and you will get that in Jund.

>>50350986
Did you not read anything I said?
Refer back to my first post:
>in Black you don't have a ton but there used to be land destruction

In modern borders, black doesn't have a lot of land hate like it does in legacy

>And in modern we only have one of the cards you just listed. What does that say about the power of mana hate among colours, ergo, why blood moon shouldn't exist in modern, or other colours should also get similar effects.

And so what? Different colors get different things. Red gets zero graveyard hate. Zero enchantment hate. A single Kor Firewalker will rape you.

This is exactly what was intended when Magic was made and what enables a rotating meta. It just so happens that right now Blood Moon is the premiere color hatred card, just like Rest in Peace absolutely shuts down all GY based strategies, and Ensnaring Bridge shuts down creature based strategies.

>Back to basics is weaker than blood moon. Blood moon completely negates a u/w duel.

Again, debatable. At least with Blood Moon you can pay for colorless costs, something you can't even do under a Moon. Meta wise, it's also harder to fight against a Back to Basics because it's blue and they can counter your enchantment removal.

>>50352706
>I'd argue in Green you have Veteran Explorer. Nic Fit has been making great use of it to blow past decks that lack basic lands, relying to heavy on nonbasics to carry them, and powering out meaty mid-range threats while stripping an opponent's hand of answers.

Yeah definitely, Nic Fit takes advantage of greedy manabases very well. Vet Explorer is super powerful in Legacy against the brainstorm decks, but definitely suffers against D&T and the like.

>>50341874

Jeskai Aggro.

Something about Bolts, Helixes, Snaps, Mantis Riders, and Lightning Angels really gets me going.

>>50345724
>mtgo doesn't let you make illegal plays
which is why it is bad
lawyering game losses over illegal actions (at competitive REL) is as much a part of the game as mana, spells or the phases of a turn.

>t. Leonin Arbiter player