Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>50334149
>kitsunepost

KILL THYSELF.

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Why is Cheliax the best kingdom/country

>>50334166
because it has a cute slutqueen.

>>50334166

Probably because is has several APs and books dedicated to it making it the most fleshed out.

>tfw Geb will never get a book
>tfw LotLK will never get an AP

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>>50334174
Abrogail Thrune II is impure! IMPURE!

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>>50334189
One AP is shit, the other AP is meh, one AP barely visits the place, I think there might have been a module but it was probably shit?
...but yeah, that's more than Geb or LotLK
But then again those two are literally worse than the shit Cheliax AP.

>>50334201

I miss Abrogail when she was an impetuous, hedonistic 16 year old.

This whole "intricate webweaver" thing is kind of much.

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>>50334274
wait what
when was this

>>50334311
Before she became Majestrix.

>>50334320
Which books/before what book?

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While I am not likely to follow up on any of this to make a character for anything, I must ask important theorycrafting questions in the name of better CONSTRUCTIONING. Especially since "that set of chargen rules" has been floating around and making me very curious.

>How would a Promethean Alchemist's homunculus interact with the Spheres version of Alchemist (Archaic Alchemist), given that the homunculus has a clause that allows it to prepare and benefit from extracts as though it were the alchemist?
>Assuming that the RAW breaks, how would you PERSONALLY rule it? Is allowing the Homunculus to just use sphere abilities "as if it were the alchemist", using the Alchemist's Sphere-related numbers (CL, casting modifier, etc) too big of a stretch, even if you add a clause preventing them from both using sphere abilities at the same time? (no double destructive blasts or some other bullshit, for example)
>Then throw PoW into the mix for gestalt, assuming you had something along the lines of... Fuck, I dunno, Alchemist||Warder or Alchemist||(Vigilante) Stalker? Obviously the Homunculus shouldn't automatically gain access to everything the Alchemist has, but what kind of things would you allow the player to get away with by spending discoveries?
>Bonus round, what breaks if you then allow everything above the Injection Crossbow part of this pastebin? http://pastebin.com/d6dKrNCR

>>50334326

Shit son, I can't tell you that, it was just the whole pre-Vengeance vibes Abrogail was giving off - she was always an extremely powerful, petty teenage girl that was a handful and a half for her devilish caretakers. There were lots of implications that she was self-indulgent and more focused on herself than matters of State.

And yet in the more recent works they aged her up, and now she's more "cunning, brutal and cruel" than "hedonistic and withdrawn."

>>50334149
>How smug are your characters?

As smug as an imouto going on a date with onii-chan.

>>50334149
Not at all.

She's more likely to grumble than smug.

>>50334389
>She's more likely to grumble than smug.

Aww c'mon anon, there's gotta be moments when she's allowed to put on a shit-eating grin and feel like she's got the upper hand on someone, right?

>>50334334
2hu please go.

>>50334412
Not in rusty dagger shanktown there aren't.

>>50334334
Maybe ask if Homoncluli/Psicrystals/Familiars can take feats.

I'm in a game where the alchemists tumor familiar occasionally lays down the smack down with Fool's Errand shit.

Can anyone tell me what's so good about Esoteric to lose all the shit it loses?

>>50334512
Muh unarmed combat.

>>50334473

>tfw you will never survive long enough to be a high-level Smuglord

>>50334165
Considering all I hear is about how pathfinder players have to be any race but a human, dwarf or elf when they play...

It's your own damn fault.

>>50334491
A Promethean Alchemist's Homunculus acts as a companion creature, so it gains feats.

>>50334544
Humans are pretty common, and NTRDwarf has been getting talked about for two whole days now!

>>50334544
For all the memery, I see quite a few humans in Pathfinder.

Like both of the parties I'm currently in are mostly human.

Like half of the ACTUALLY posted characters for the Rise of the Jade Regeant meme game are humans.

And honestly I say, go Human or go wierd. Elves, Gnomes, and Halfings are boring as piss. Dwarves can be OK.

>>50334590
>Humans are pretty common

Really? Because whenever characters get mentioned here it's Tiefling this or Half-Orc that.

>>50334512
Anything that remotely looks like a monk must be thrown into the mud

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>>50334544
>>50334608
How many kitsune are in the ERP game?

Hello Elegan/tg/entlemen and ça/tg/irls of /pfg/ I'm fairly new to pathfinder and require a bit of advice. My group is currently using no third party books and own only the core and advance rule book and ultimate combat and I would like to stay within those books.

I'm creating a wizard of the school of transmutation, using the subschool of enhancment found in the advance player guide. I want to play a wizard to buffs his ally and hinder his enemies and would like to stay away from magic missiles and fire balls if possible.

I can't decide my prohibited schools of magic. I was thinking illusion and evocation maybe?

What are the must have spells you would suggest? Magic weapon and bull's strength seems like good choices.

I have a good idea of feats to get, but your advice are also welcome.

I'd like to keep it simple since it's my first pathfinder game and stay within the core and advance book and avoid the other supplements.

>>50334613
Yes, part of the reason /pfg/ wanks Tieflings and shit so hard is because most people play humans(and basically nothing else).

>>50334613
i literally think the only half-orc thats been talked about is Gamagirly.

>>50334608
The RotJR characters in the discussions thread are human, tiefling, aasimar, dhampir, human, human, human, oread. So half is right on the money.

>>50334613
Tieflings are common because the stat boosts are almost as versatile as humans, but there are a ton of humans.

>>50334641
There is at least one, and I vaguely recall that his human form is that of a 26 year old man that works as a glassblower or something.

>>50334650
To be fair she get shit posted about a lot.
>>50334641
So far none.
The break down is
>Oni Tiefling monk
>Dhampir Occultist/Inquisitor
>Human Psychic Rogue
>Human Elementalist/Entropic Sage
>Human Zweisent
>Human Summoner
>There's another guy with a backstory but I don't see a race mentioned

>>50334641

None, literally zero. One guy wants to apply with a Hero Fox (you could call him a "Star Fox") but he hasn't posted yet.

I'd argue there's hardly any overtly lewd characters even in the Character Discussion so far.

>>50334644
Also prohibit necromancy.

Grease, Web, and Create Pit are the starting best utility spells.

Play a Dwarf and be a jew by creating magical items really really fast with a Valet Familiar. Not actually sure what rulebook Familiar Archetypes are in.

>>50334684
speaking of which i should post her in the thread.

>>50334686
>I'd argue there's hardly any overtly lewd characters even in the Character Discussion so far.
That can be fixed pretty easily.

>>50334684
You forgot aasimar Bardadin, and the backstory with no sheet is an oread.

>>50334708
Post Gamagirly so we can learn her name and stop calling her Gamagirly. We're still going to call her Gamagirly.

>>50334590
>NTRDwarf
Who?

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>>50334716

Oh, really? Explain.

>>50334686
I think the only remotely "lewd" character even posted was the Oni.

>>50334726
>so we can learn her name and

Her name is Larash.

>>50334738

True, and even then the only reason she's lewd is she's described as being both muscular and shapely.

Anja seems to have some lewd potential with her Eidolon.

>>50334726
Her name's already been revealed its 'Larash'

Mostly done character sheet if you care.

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1012949

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Why is /pfg/ still talking about this one campaign over and over?

>>50334731
DepressedHomebrewer is working on a character for RotJR, a dwarf with +22 to diplomacy at level 3 that he plans to use to build relationships with all of the female NPCs and then pick which one he goes for a romance with later.

In other words he's an ugly fuck of a dwarf who's going to beat everyone at the relationship mechanic and NTR all the waifus.

>>50334749
>>50334750
Neat.

>>50334759
Because people enjoy it?

>>50334733
Well, I'm just saying it would be pretty easy for someone to post an overtly lewd character. There's 60 people in there, plenty to work with.

>>50334765
>In other words he's an ugly fuck of a dwarf who's going to beat everyone at the relationship mechanic and NTR all the waifus.
Is this on purpose?

>>50334759
Starfinder isn't until June.
No notable DSP playtests.
No new books to my knowledge.

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>>50334765
>DepressedHomebrewer is working on a character for RotJR, a dwarf with +22 to diplomacy at level 3

Friendly reminder that the FAQ makes Conversion and Infiltrator not stack.

>>50334790
What are those from? Class, I mean.

>>50334782
He says it isn't and that he's only going for romance if it's the logical conclusion of RP.

The original iteration wasn't a dwarf and had a fucking +37.

>>50334759

Literally everyone who visits this thread has joined it, and roughly half of us have discussed characters.

We're in-between APs and books, so not much else to discuss. If you notice, we are quite zippy answering questions when they actually become available.

>>50334780
>Well, I'm just saying it would be pretty easy for someone to post an overtly lewd character. There's 60 people in there, plenty to work with.

Very true, and wasn't there at least three really fun-sounding lewd character concepts that are getting worked on? Razmiran Priestess and Rebound Slut are two that come to mind.

And you better post too, Osirion Catboy. Don't let the banter get to you, you flaming flamingo.

>>50334809
Ordained Defender and Inquisitor

>>50334790
We've all read the FAQ. If it would stack in this case is really up for debate because of the wording of infiltrator. If the FAQ named infiltrator I'd be on your side, but the wording of infiltrator seems to imply a specific trumps general rule and in this case it would work.

>>50334811
honestly despite the memes wasn't the dwarf also gonna be NOBUNAGA tier crazy?

>>50334828
Thank you!

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So! How was your weekend, /pfg/? Do anything fun or exciting?

>>50334782
No, and honestly it seems like most people plan to ignore the relationship mechanic in favor of romancing other PCs.

>>50334790
Friendly reminder that the GM will make final rulings on that.

>>50334809
Inquisitor. Conversion Inquisition and Infiltrator Archetype.

>>50334765
>DepressedHomebrewer is working on a character for RotJR
Doesn't it have edgy demon arms?

>>50334857
Yup. Fiendbound marauder.

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>>50334849

I finished my character concept and binge-watched Konosuba in a single afternoon!

>>50334849
i watched my party of 32pb gestalt characters nearly die to a base level encounter.

>>50334836
Oh, that looks like it does stack to me. One is replacing the stat originally used, another is adding a stat to it. I guess by strict interpretation it could be taken as going against the FAQ, but I doubt that's the spirit of the ruling in this case.

>>50334854
>it seems like most people plan to ignore the relationship mechanic in favor of romancing other PCs.

I wonder who's going to end up with who! Complicated love triangles are part of the fun for Jade Regent.

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>>50334849

My crossdressing young aellar spellburst savant is on a mission to woo a fey succubus: >>50331178 >>50331293

Things have been going reasonably well so far.

>>50334920
Sad to see you haven't taken my advice.

>>50334915
I want to see Gamagirly be torn between LG and LE!

>>50334942
right now she's LN.

>>50334950
Exactly. So we need LG and LE characters to try to convince her.

>>50334966
>tfw I'm building an LE right now but I'm just not done

>>50334942
>be torn between LG and LE!

Or they could share, LG on top and LE on bottom with LN sandwiched firmly in between.

>>50334977
Tell us about it! Anything you have that you're willing to share?

>>50334978
Even better.

>>50334874
Plus he's a FILTHY CANNIBAL!

>>50334849
>spill some spaghetti during a lunch meetup with potential employer because I don't actually need to eat anymore
>almost forgot that one of our party members is suffering from a homebrewed variant of the vampire corruption, and I end up needing to take some CON damage to help her out
>we have to stop early after a casual session where absolutely nothing exciting happens, due to other players crashing
>do a quickie with the GM afterwards to continue a side game, where I explore a spooky attic and somehow succeed every single save I have to make

>>50334849
Had a birthday, got some booze as gift, ate some surprisingly decent cake, contemplated on a story I'll never write or run, and some stories I'll never play.
The usual, apart from the stuff before the story stuff.

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>>50335026

He won't be the only one that's had a taste of Dwarf meat when that campaign is over.

On a scale of 1-10 how edgy is NTRDwarf?

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>>50334849
Got pokemon, watched Survivor's Series, and finished up a new kineticist element that's gonna be in a new book because that is what I do.

Also Legendary Kineticists 2 playtest should be sometime after thanksgiving to avoid burnout from the KOP 4 playtest, which is still currently being edited/developed.

>>50335212
"Read the fucking FAQ and don't stack shit" out of 10.

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>>50335212
3

>>50335242
What's that from? Rwby?

>>50335247
It feels like one person keeps shouting to read the FAQ even when other people disagree that the FAQ doesn't apply here.

>>50335267

I'd recognize that animation from anywhere, it's RWBY.

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>>50335242
>N-Jolly is a fellow Zero Escape fag
>Legendary Kineticists 2
Fucking baller.

>>50335278
That's because that's what's happening.

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>>50335267
>>50335283
It's from Virtues last reward.

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>mfw the current line-up of characters
>mfw the ones discussed this weekend

>>50334826
>Literally everyone who visits this thread has joined it
Not quite. A damn good chunk though.

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>>50334149

Is it bad that i want to play a character that literally eats their way through the campaign?

Diplomatic incident? clearly food must be the solution.

Dragon rampaging in the northern provinces? I hear they taste good when smoked.

>>50335365
>Is it bad that i want to play a character that literally eats their way through the campaign?

Not at all! Every character needs a thing, and yours just happens to be food.

>>50335278
>>50335290
"In addition to" doesn't mean you get to stack the same ability modifier twice.

>>50335212
>Cannibal
>Exile
>Horrific features
>Giant spiky claw arms
>Cheerful friendly disposition
I'd say 6 or 7, maybe 8 at the highest.

>>50335330
Who's your favorite anon?

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>>50335267
>>50335283
Yeah, it's from that episode where Torchwood trapped RWBY and JNPR in a moonbase and made them play the Ambidex Game, it was pretty sick.

>>50335287
I was looking at the wiki and found that gif, and I knew I had to use it for something. I'd have probably used Delta for inspiration for the mind element if the game had been out by then.

Dio did nothing wrong

>>50335365
https://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/Battle_Chef_(3.5e_Class)

You're welcome.

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>>50334790
A reminder that it is completely possible to get a gestalt that gets Int to the same things twice, all as different bonus types, which then all stack.

>>50335395
Here are the two sides to the argument.
1) You can't stack WIS+WIS to your diplomacy.
2) You're right, but NTRDwarf is using Wisdom as his normal diplomacy modifier, and the Infiltrator says "she adds her Wisdom modifier on Bluff and Diplomacy skill checks in addition to the normal ability score modifiers." Since Wisdom is his normal ability score modifier, he can.

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>>50335403
>Who's your favorite anon?

That's kind of a difficult question since all of them are really cool in their own way.

Of the ones posted, it's a toss-up between Casimir and Shizuka.

Of the ones discussed here, it's gotta be NTRDwarf, though I'm intrigued to see how Razmiran Priestess develops.

Which are your favorites?

>>50335415
>>50335376

The consuming of food is the more important part.
i looked around, And Ungermaw from Gonzo 2 looks the closest i'd want.

>>50335395
>She adds her Wisdom modifier on Bluff and Diplomacy skill checks in addition to the normal ability score modifiers.
>in additional to the normal ability score modifiers
Specifically it says you are adding wisdom, in additional to the normal, which in this case is wisdom.

Unless you're one of those people who also says Mindchemist doesn't work because specific doesn't trump general.

>>50335441
And? Those are different bonus types.

>>50335448
Problem there is that #2 works when you're adding both Wisdom and Charisma because they don't run into the FAQ rule, but when you change it to Wisdom double stacking, then it hits the FAQ.

>>50335477
Mindchemist works because it specifically says to add it a second time.

>>50335403
>Who's your favorite anon?
NTRDwarf because he isn't Uguu cute, and obvious fetish, cutsey, or a reference

>>50335463
Same, actually! Casimir and Shizuka. After that maybe Anja.

How accurate is Unforgotten Realms anyway?

>>50335492
And it this case it specifically says to add in addition to the normal modifier. I don't understand the issue.

>>50335483
>but when you change it to Wisdom double stacking, then it hits the FAQ.
Again, I would agree with you if the ability didn't say "in additional to the normal ability score modifiers". His normal is Wisdom, he is adding Wisdom in addition to it.

>>50335495
>Trap psychic
>Buff oni
>Singing samurai
>Mousy bookworm
>Proud magician
>Crazy summoner
>Painting swordlord
I think you're seeing Uguu~ where none is to be found.

>>50335517
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qabm?Multiple-Ability-modifiers-applying-to-a

Looks like the Paizo forums can't decide.

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>>50335465

>Ungermaw

Just make sure to take care of your Emergency Ratio- I mean the rest of your party members.

>>50335570
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rcfj?FAQ-Request-Inquisitor-Rules

>>50335618
Conclusion here is that it got FAQed to not stack.

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>>50334149
>How smug are your characters?
Only when appropriate.

>>50334849
Could be better; stuck on a server with nimrods who aren't content with finishing the new raid that came out last week. The campaign is presently on hold from last week and this week due to Thanksgiving and shopping shenanigans.

>>50334699
>Prohibit necromancy
What is your reasoning for prohibiting it? I thought spells like ray of enfeeblement and other curses/debuff could be useful in controlling the enemies.

>be a dwarven jew
I'm making an halfling with an inferiority complex because of his small stature/weak strength. I'll keep it in mind though, selling magical arms sounds like a good source of income beside adventuring.

>>50335631
That's just dumb.

>>50335631
The conclusion seems to be a lot of people disagreeing and not clear conclusion being made

>>50335680
The actual conclusion being: This FAQ answer was posted by the devs in response to the question. And like most other FAQ answers it should be ignored.

>>50335365
Whoever that character is, it looks like she's very tired.
Why are bags under the eyes so cute?

>>50335497
>>50335463

>mfw no one likes my character enough to do more than insult them

>>50335549
>mfw Khair wasn't meant to be a trap, just a normal looking dude

>>50335640
What's with the antenae and gradient haircolor?

>>50335700
Wait who in that thread is a Dev?

>>50335646
Could be. Usually isn't. Also just the general trope of Wizards not using Necromancy unless they go hyper Necromancy.

A dwarf is technically a medium creature, but fits in with the small crowd. He could have the same problems. At level 6 you can be crafting 8000gp worth of items in a day when normal adventurers would be crafting 1000gp worth.

>>50335715
No one, but the FAQ was added in October 2014, where as the thread was started in August.

>>50335702

Because now they can fall asleep snuggled up against your arm.

Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to make a non-unchained monk viable in a party of:
1 barbarian
1 bard
1 wizard
1 magus

>>50335737
Zen archer monk for ranged dps?

>>50335747
That could work, but wouldn't it be more fun to be a punch-mancer?

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What do you think about Mithral Current Style? Good thing for Stalker Bushi? And what maneuvers must-have for stalker with two-handed weapon?

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>>50334849
Went to an amtgard park across the state on Saturday then played Starwars rpg on Sunday. I read miss Pathfinder, I really want to play a Summoner, gunslinger or gun wizard.

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>>50335729
The real answer is at the top of the thread:

>30 people marked this as FAQ candidate. Answered in the FAQ.

That means the devs specifically responded to the guy's thread.

>>50335765
No, I want to be competent instead.

What is your favorite bard archetype /pfg/?
I'm partial to the archaeologist myself

>>50335712
Antennae is a remnant of her original design and the gradient is a splash of shading to keep her plat blond hair from looking too flat.

>>50335767
That is not a dwarf.

>>50335780
I really like the new one in the horror book, but Also arrowsong and arcane duelist

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>>50335465
>>50335365

Be honest anon, you just want to play A big girl

>>50335798
What was her original design, if you don't mind sharing?

>>50335708

You just need to flesh him out more, anon. Right now he's a friendly kid under the care of Koya who worships the Goddess of Invention.

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>>50335365
No

>>50335806
for you

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>vanilla Intelligence kitsune Vigilante stalker

>kumiho Sanguinist medic/Brutal Slayer stalker

>zenko Gifted Blade/Psychic Armory/War Soul

>huli jing warlord

>coyōtl Herald Caller hangover cleric

Would /pfg/ play in this all yōkai kitsune party?

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>>50335801

This is a Japanese Dwarf.

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>>50335463
>though I'm intrigued to see how Razmiran Priestess develops

>>50335835
That is most assuredly not a dwarf!

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>>50335801
You mommy is not a dwarf!

>>50335780
Archeologist a best, but Archeologist itself gets overshadowed by the Investigator archetype that gets Bard spells.

>>50335737
Dimensional Door monk or whatever it is called, tripping enemies and flanking with yourself.

Do Unchained Rogue and Ranger stack well together for gestalt?

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>>50335841

I have faith you will make her a lewd, multifaceted character with plenty of potential development!

>>50335891
It's not like they'd conflict or anything, but why not just go Slayer or Vigilante and pick something else on the other side?

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>>50335817
>old image is old
The original prospect was a humanized version of another character of mine, who would've been best fit as a giant brawler of sorts. However, due to campaign restrictions, I opted to do something a little different by making what would've been that character's polar opposite: short, fat, pale as snow, grumpy, and studied magic. Thus Elsbeth came to be.

The 'antennae' are more of a callback than anything.

>>50334644
Evocation and divination would be the go to to dump, alternatively just plan the spells you want to get/plan to take at levels, and then pick your dump schools based off what you don't plan to be using. But most divination spells won't be stuff you prep every day so the malus from the dropped school will matter little, and you plan to not use evocation at all from the sounds of it.
I would say focus into conjuration instead of transmutation since conjuration has spells at every level you will want, and if you don't have a spell at that level that you want preped that bonus spell slot goes to waste.

>>50335767
In my opinion, Bushi Stalker has a lot to use it's feats on, style feats aren't always the greatest + you're going to choke on swifts.

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>>50335907
D'aw!

>>50335906
Vigilante is kind of complicated and neither of them get Dex to damage at level 3, plus I like combat styles.

>>50335907
Becky's pretty fun too.

Infinite floof.

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Tell me anons, which Sphere is most fun?
>inb4 2hu destruction autism and incanter dipping

>>50335944
Dex to damage is legit, but Slayer does get combat styles.

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>>50335174
>tfw donner party scenario in the crown of the world

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>>50335976
Conjuration is fun because you can break the game with Summoning/Diagram!

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>>50335806
Cultivating and maintaining a tubby physique and enjoying was my first fetish anon. I've indulged all my other fetishes in Pathfinder, Might as well go to the granddaddy of them all.

>>50335818

Mm, true; though he's also one with an undercurrent of mad obsession and self-worth issues that have lead him to believe the most proper response to the problems in his life is 'replace my body with a female robot's'. I'm pondering how I could flesh him out more without going overboard on it, I suppose?

>>50335767
Expanded on this a while ago >>50335925

http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/50210479/#50214242

http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/50210479/#50214348

Note, I don't recommend Broken Blade or Primal Fury, and Fool's Errand is worth a look at.

Brutal Slayer Bushi Stalker is a lot of fun.

>>50335996
That's a dude, isn't it?
Also, you are having fun wrong

>>50334149
>How smug are your characters?
Not at all usually.
The only noticeably smug character I've played was a dickass sorcerer, all puffed up and full of himself. Granted, he could well afford to look that way, nigga survived to level 20 (starting from level 7), taking down dragons and demons before retiring.

>>50335929
>>50335958
Also unlike Elsbeth, Becky's actually really bad with money admittedly for a horrible reason. So looking back at it, I guess it's a good thing she never really got to stick around. I tried rebuilding her again at one point, but it's tough deciding on classes.

>>50335976
I find alteration fun. Just being able to build the monster that is you. Like synthesists but infinitely less janky.

Also I probably count as a furry.

>>50336010
>I'm pondering how I could flesh him out more without going overboard on it, I suppose?

By actually DESCRIBING him as a man with self-image problems and a mad obsession with upgrading his body into a female robot. That's a cool and relevantly lewd concept, but you haven't told us that in his Description.

>>50335976
>not walking the path of explosions

>>50336060
I never said no Destruction, just none of the autism

>>50335737
Pure chained monk? Or is multiclassing ok?

>>50336058

I could have sworn I had! Oh god, was it just on his sheet? I know it's mentioned somewhere...

I am the worst at writing sometimes. Ah well!

>>50335765
>playing to have fun in Pathfinder

Have you considered suicide?

>>50336075
You don't really need autism to make destruction good. Literally just dip sorcerer and take the rest as elementalist. Incanter is a nice dip, don't really see why /PFG/ suddenly detests dipping.

>>50336125
>Incanter is a nice dip, don't really see why /PFG/ suddenly detests dipping.
I certainly can't speak for /pfg/, but multiclassing different magic systems triggers my autism something fierce.

>>50336101
>I could have sworn I had! Oh god, was it just on his sheet? I know it's mentioned somewhere...

It was on his sheet, but it *should* be out in the Description thread! You want maximum visibility, which means posting it in the thread itself.

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>>50336045
Well, far as I can tell she's not the sort who generally has a lot of money anyway.

How had can it be to build a flooftastic firefightchicken though?

>>50336153
Incanter is not a different magic system.

>>50336186
Incanter dipping is bad and you should feel bad.

It's like stealing candy from a cripple.

>>50336186
Maybe I misunderstood.
Weren't you talking about dipping sorcerer (standard) with incanter (spheres of power)? Is there another incanter class I never heard about?

>>50336153
Incanter isn't a different system.

The issue is that it's VERY dippable and actively encourages you to just dip it because you can just sacrifice all of your bonus feats for bonuses for +1 Caster Level to your chosen sphere, and one or two other goodies.

I honestly think that was the intent since Sphere is very much "build a mage" and Incanter lets you decide your mental stat(which then applies to the rest of your sphere classes).

>>50336006

You do you, anon! Hope you have fun making the character!

>>50336213
> sorcerer (standard)
Sorcerer has a Sphere of Power version. Most destruction casters like to dip it because of Blood Havoc and Orc/Dragon/Primal Element Bloodline boosts to their blasts(much like most Casters in standard Vancian want to do).

>>50336213
He's referring to the Sphere Archetype for Sorcerer which is, admittedly, also poorly designed, much like the Sphere Wizard

>>50336240
>>50336253
>Sphere Archetype for Sorcerer
Well fuck, I didn't know about it. I rescind my objection then, go nuts.

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>>50336249
Fixed that for you
>NTRDwarf strikes again

>>50336006
But the best fetish is big sub small dom

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>>50336177
Building her directly wouldn't be that hard; just play around with a couple monster templates and see what sticks. It's her humanized version that's tougher to nail down and that version of her is bad with money because she's Greek.

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>>50336320

You, I like you.

>>50336293
He's just so gosh darn persuasive.

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>>50336320

>trying to find ways to boost a perform: dance check to prevent skilled casting from fucking me over
>can't take traits for it because I have all the ones I could actually take
>I would have to squeeze skill focus and a way to always take 10 into my feats/talents somehow, delaying the much more important abilities
>it adds another fucking thing to keep track of

I am not sure this is going to be worth the trouble, even if I adore the flavor implications.

>>50336320

Especially when the big sub is a guy and the small dom is a girl.

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>>50336320

>>50336374
>>trying to find ways to boost a perform: dance check to prevent skilled casting from fucking me over
Color me curious, what are you specializing in

Also, the risk is half the fun and the whole point of taking a drawback.

>>50336392

A very brave, eager young man climbs the mountain.

>>50336219
THIS. You don't dip Incanter because it has synergy with your build, you dip Incanter because it's very front loaded.

>>50335920
I never thought about it that way, It's settled then I'll take divination as one prohibited school.

>>50335723
>8000gp a day
I'll look into it. I had plan to craft wands for my personal use, but never thought about going full artisan.

From the introduction our GM gave us, it seems necromancy isn't shunned by the scholars of the Art as long as you don't go full Frankenstein. It's still seen badly by the superstitious commoners of his realm. But since magic isn't widely known, I doubt a peasant will make the difference between the schools of magic so I'm willing to take the chance.

Thank you for the pro tips anons!

>>50336439
I mean it can grant you synergy depending on what you take, since you know, flexible mental stat.

>>50336404
A Magus||(Bushi/Vigilante) Stalker, likely going unarmored if possible, with the one trait for Dex to Dance, and probably using some of the Mithral Current skill-based counters since I'd be invested in it anyway. Come mid levels, even without skill focus it'd be total peanuts to make all the checks, because there's a rogue talent specifically to let you take 10 that a Stalker could swipe, but before that I'd be in hot water.

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>>50336386
What if the big sub tries to power bottom and crash the small dom's plane?

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>>50336219
Then why did they write out incanter for 20 levels if it was just going to be 1 level dipped anyway?

>>50336480
Actually, no, I'm retarded, the take 10 talent is an advanced talent, I guess I played myself.

>>50336450
If you are a Wizard, you will go full artisan. (All you really need is one feat and max ranks in Spellcraft, which you should kinda be doing anyways).

>>50336489
Probably because they viewed it as how they intended it to work. A lot of people have issues where they come up with something, and can only view it from their intentions instead of how it can actually be used.

>>50336386
I disagree but that's OK

>>50336489
Because they're too retarded and autistic to make classes with less than 20 levels. I heard one guy made a class with 19 levels and one died while making one with 18 levels.

>>50336480
Sounds anime as fuck. Mite be cool.
What spheres?

>>50336489
Because it was poorly designed.

Even the guy who wrote it, who has a tendency to not fret over optimization details too hard, admits it was badly designed.

>>50336489
You could say the same thing for quite a few 3,5 classes.

Why write any class for 20 levels when games hardly get to that point anyway?
>>50336519
>Probably because they viewed it as how they intended it to work.
The thing is "trade in all of your bonus feats later for class features now" is something that we've never seen on a class before and has no real precedent.

That had to be intentional.

>>50336489
Honestly, this wouldn't have been a problem if they placed specific level requirements/limits in what you trade your feats for.
Like, have the first ability come online at 3ed level, and all the subsequent abilities are gained at higher levels, or something like that

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>>50336328
>>50335907

>Greek muscular punchlady

>>50336525
Because there is no non prestige "base class" to my knowledge that is less than 20 levels.

>>50336562
The issue is not the concept itself, but the fact that not all of the specializations SCALE.

Like, if it were all things like channel energy that you needed to keep taking incanter levels to not leave useless, then it'd be fine.

But some of them are just frontloaded like the sphere specs.

>>50336328
Please tell me she specializes in Pankration. That would be sick as fvck

>>50336596
Sphere specs still have incanter level bonuses.

It's just that they're all ass and not as good as the +1 caster level, which is why you take it.

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>>50336635
Remember to take the Fate spec for those sweet d20 prerolls!

And then you can take your REAL sphere spec with the sphere wizard.

>>50336580
I made a few back when I was doing homebrew. It would've solved a fuckton of problems d20 had if classes were all 5-10 levels with a capstone that basically says "This now scales with character level, go nucking futs"

>>50335981
Slayer gets a really shitty version of combat styles that comes later

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What are /pfg/'s favorite fetishes that they want to see in an ERP game?

I'm thinking of starting up a gestalt ERP Roll20 game too, but first I need to know what kinks /pfg/ has!

>>50336672
>nucking futs"
I thought I was having a stroke for a second.
>>50336665
Now dangerously cheesy.

>>50336533
Plan on starting off with Destruction, Warp, Alteration, Illusion (Invisibility only), and then a tossup between Life or Divination for out of combat utility.

Plan is to just do magus things in combat for the most part. Spell combat into teleports, destructive blasts, etc. Fall back to strikes if I HAVE to (no spell points, in an AMF, etc) but stick mostly to boosts and counters.

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>>50336716
Consensual Orc Loving!
Also not so consensual orc love

>>50336716

Cuddling on cold nights.

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>>50336716
Whoa, not good! Please don't.

>>50336716
Well, at least it's happening near the end of the thread's life.

>>50336716
I'd say, but this is a blue board

>>50336725
War with Battlefield Manipulation drawback and Revitalize rally. Spend a spell point to re-roll a save. Saved my character twice last weekend.

>>50336716
holding hands

>>50336703
>Slayer gets a really shitty version of combat styles that comes later

No? Slayer can get a ranger combat style feat at 2nd level and every other level after. Ranger can get a combat style feat at 2nd level and every fourth level after. Slayers get Ranger combat styles /faster/ than rangers do, comparatively.

>>50336788
You can talk about it in text!

>>50336716
Well I think we should start off with regular sex and move up to light bondage and work our way to SHITTING DICK NIPPLES by the fourth session.

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>>50336802
Would I then need to do a skill check to see if I can use the revitalize to redo the skill check for another ability?

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>>50336716
>What are /pfg/'s favorite fetishes that they want to see in an ERP game?

Impregnation, large insertions, corruption, interracial, slavery, consensual, ambiguous consent, Large sub small Dom, romance.

>>50336716
rape into consensual.

the more the merrier.

>>50336850

Oh, and forgot gangbangs with an emphasis on there being more guys than girls.

>>50336835
Not certain I follow your question. The combination I suggested gets you this:
"You may spend a spell point to rally a target, allowing them to reroll a saving throw they just failed. They must take the second result, even if it is worse."
With Battlefield Manipulation, you can rally only yourself, but you can do it at anytime. So it becomes 'spend a spell point as an immediate action to reroll a saving throw", which will save your life.

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>>50336716
Chubby girls.

Works pretty well for a wizard.

>>50336886
>Battlefield Manipulation

Actually, battlefield manipulation locks you off from totems, but lets you rally people within 30ft of yourself.

Solo Combatant lets you only affect yourself.

>>50336850
>>50336875
>>50336893
You've fall forgotten holding hands and consensual sex in the the missionary position with the lights off purely for the purposes of procreation, plebs.

>>50336893
Yes

>>50336875
Very yes

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>>50336577
>>50336607
A street fighting punk from modern Sparta. She's largely undisciplined, so Pankration is more of a given.

I should probably make some updated artwork..

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>>50336920
antenna ahoge just remind me of Nozomi.

>>50336716
Okay, okay, fine, I'll say it confound you.

Petrification.

Feel free to post gifs detailing your disgust at will.

>>50336716
Large masculine men on small feminine men
Shortstacks
Gangbangs (usually one, maybe two girls and many men)
Public use
obligatory handholding
Cute kissing (not lying, a cute couple kissing just because they love each other seriously turns me on)
>>50336819
Yeah I just reread, that oops. Noe I'm super tempted, I suppose I'll go for less Dex and go Slayer/???

In a gestalt campaign, what is the best DMPC? Something still good because the encounters will be tougher, but not something insanely broken to overshadow the PCs?

>>50336913
>You've fall forgotten holding hands and consensual sex in the the missionary position with the lights off purely for the purposes of procreation

That falls under impregnation, romance and consensual, anon.

I like sweet relationships, I like passion and I like casual rough stuff. You can have all three over the course of a campaign.

>>50336886
Huh, neat. And you know what I realized? There's a feat in PoW that lets me take 10 at any time for a discipline-related skill, and its only prereq is 8 ranks in said skill. Even better, it works with all the discipline skills (with 8 or more ranks).

>Skill Focus: Perform (Dance) early on, then + Discipline Mastery at 9th level

I'd still suffer like a motherfucked before then, but with Inspiration, the checks can't be /that/ hard to make. Unless I absolutely have to decide whether I use inspiration before I make the skill check, which just means I'd have to look into making adding that free for Dance...
Does anyone actually use Investigator's Certainty from Everyman Gaming? It's Unconventional Inspiration, but better in every way.

>>50336902
Good catch...I really should have remembered that.

Of course, you can pick up both and then get a second rally - safety is good - all for the cost of 1 talent.

>>50336971
>DMPC

don't

if you must make sure its not gestalt.

>>50336986
I was thinking about just Bard/Cleric for some small in combat buffs for the party and healing out of combat.

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>>50336716
SEX!!

Unchained Barbarian versus normal Barbarian, what makes the UCBarb better and why

>>50337011
just don't

GMPCs are always a bad choice

If you must in a gestalt campaign just make them not gestalt.

>>50337019
nothing, they're about the same. UCbarb is actually a slight nerf.

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>>50336948
>another petrifag

Finding good petrification art that isn't just cheap manips is hard.

>>50337019
Nothing.

>>50336971
>>50337011

Depends hugely on the party.
Don't go cleric if you're the only fullcaster, that's asking for trouble.

>>50337019
It doesn't. They're both roughly equal. Original Recipe Barbarian has a better Rage, but New and Tasty has better rage powers.

Mostly comes down to personal taste.

>>50337019
Nothing unless you go dex/intend to TWF

>>50337029
/d/ please.

>>50336716
Thick and weight gain resulting in more thick rather than just fat.

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>>50336971
>The GMPC in our game is always giving inane speech about how he's just the inn owner of some town and he was suddenly blessed with great martial prowess and yada yada look at my +31 to reflex at level 9 because I get to add Strength and my mental stat to Reflex look at my powerbuilding skills also I have 40+ strength woohoo

>>50336824
Risk of pregnancy, ageplay, elves, and then fairly vanilla sex and romance

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>>50337051
'Tis an acquired taste.

Hexcrafter magus with a longsword, is that good to roll?
Can you get flight hex with the first arcana switch, or is it the 9th level arcana minimum?

>>50337077
>GMPC literally cannot stop being a faggot
>look at my build any reasonable GM would Veto but i can make because I'M THE GM

>>50336949
I'm currently playing a STR/INT Slayer (Student of War dip) and it's tons of fun. I'd recommend it.

>>50336716

I think I speak for everyone here when I say we want a good RANGE of characters; some characters should be adorable, lovey-dovey types (even if they don't look it), some should be there for casual enjoyment and others should be some combination of the two.

There should be voluptuous sorceresses that want a relationship just as much as slender rogues that just want to be picked up and spitroasted.

>>50337077
GMPC won't be power gaming unless it is a non gestalt class. Players are likely getting a 20-25 PB, DMPC will have 10-15.

>>50337043
Why do you say that? Party (of 2) is unsure of their of characters yet, wrapping up a campaign in hopefully 2-3 weeks.

What is the benefit of using a discipline weapon?

>>50337127
you can use discipline strikes ect when using one.

>>50337077
>>50337102
>tfw I've had genuinely enjoyable experiences both playing a PC in a game with a GMPC and as a GM running a GMPC that the party all liked
>bad GMs have to poison the well for everyone and make people hate the concept

>>50337127
+2 to maneuver save DC

>>50337127
+2 DC of maneuvers

Ignore >>50337137 , you can use any discipline with any weapon unless there's specific wording saying you can't so they're completely wrong.

>>50337127
It says so on the starting text. Most of the time nothing. Some Disciplines require discpline weapons (Iron Tortoise/sheilds, Broken Blade/Monk, Temptest Gale + Solar Wind/Ranged weapons), some work better with one (Thrashing Dragon/2WF, Scarlet Throne/2H weapons).

The only one that gives an actual benefit that I can think of is Broken Blade, that gives a +2 damage to any strike.

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>>50337102
The worst part is, he's actually chastising us for not powerbuilding as hard as he is and we're content with only making semi-optimised to fairly optimised characters because he wants to go balls to the walls hard high fantasy martial bullshit on it.

I endure it becaus he's a good friend otherwise.

Where can I find the RotJR game and creation rules again?

>>50337209
https://app.roll20.net/join/1770733/2aujeQ

>>50337200
That's not so much a problem with the GMPC, it's a problem with the GM wanting to run a different game than the players, and the problem would be there GMPC or no.

>>50337200
If he is a good friend, you should be able to approach him and tell him that what he is doing is leading to a worse game.
My good friend is running a game, it has some rough spots and when we talk to him, he does something about it without being offended, because he genuinely wants us to have a good time.

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>>50337220
Thank you
Here's some Big Ounce

>>50337200
Is he 2hu?

>>50337220
>just want to see what it's all about
>don't want to just leave awkwardly if I decide not to join

I-is there a non-join link?

>>50337233
He basically is. He got kicked from a living campaign because his Paladin was too much resilient for the GMs to balance against him, and how he made a PFS legal gorum follower that dealed 80+ damage with his standard attack at level 3.

>>50337268
There are 67 people in the room, people won't even remember your name if you leave.

>>50337274
Was meant to reply to >>50337251

>>50337268
There are about two dozen people who haven't asked to be added to the mailing list. It's not going to be awkward.
Still, you can try this? https://app.roll20.net/campaigns/details/1770733/ I don't know how roll20 campaigns work.

Why does everyone say Path of War is overPoWered?

>>50337326
PoW classes tend to shit out tons of damage and some GMs don't know how to handle it.

>>50336716

What the heck, I thought you were pure!

Reminder to use Automatic Bonus Progression or Innate Item Bonuses

>>50337326
It does a lot of cool stuff that martials need but often in ways that people consider OP. Like using s skill modifier for a saving throw or to negate an attack/effect. Or a teleport that makes enemies flatfooted with no save or check of any kind. Or enough damage on a single hit to drop enemies above your CR instantly.

It my not be as bad as wizards but it can feel like it.

>>50336716
Justice and the removal of the forces of chaos

>>50337326
It allows nonmagical characters abilities that in the course of the games artificially pronounced mundane/magical dichotomy seem magical, but expressly aren't, allowing great inherent versatility and capability in ways the game usually denies to martial characters.
To the people who are used to martials being limited to a very prescribed ability set, it is tantamount to heresy.

>>50337326
Because two wrongs does not make right.

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>>50337396
>>50337442
>Broken Blade
>Primal Fury
>Scarlet Throne

All legit overpowered and combat breaking, way more than wizards ever are until, like, 5th level spells.

>>50337326
It has a much different balance point than normal pathfinder. It doesn't bring much in terms of out of combat to the table, but is far better at defense than any 1pp class due to how counters work. On a whole they're just different and thus a party with both tier 3 casters and initiators with even passing optimization don't function well together.

Particularly in order to challenge the Warlord's defense you're going to completely murder the bard.

>>50337335
This is the correct answer. Errata when?
>>50337348
That is a fake.

>>50337326
Any game I've been in with PoW martial classes removes the inherent dangerous feel the game has to me. Maneuvers always have an answer to everything, which I guess is fine, but I guess I like it if a fight drags 6-8 rounds and everyone gives their best rather than refreshing the same combo every round and remain invincible.

Yeah, magic's OP, but >>50337459

>>50337459

Yet two rights make a U-turn.

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>>50337483
The warlord's defense?

Please, an OD/ZS warder has incredible HP, AC, and really high saving throws for Fort/Ref/Will, all while having good initiative and a two-hander.

>>50337442
Personally I agree that martials need help, but PoW feels like the wrong way to do it. Especially the skills being tied in. Should have kept it all to attack rolls. And the need to recharge moves feels rather vidya, performing combos to fill your super meter.

Still, it made for a really fun game based on the Souls series before.

>>50337326
Too front loaded and lacking any tangible limits on how often they can do things.
Also some very questionable design decisions.
The only recovery that even feels limited or a hindrance in my opinion is the Stalker one.

>>50337492
Ride check to not collide with the truck

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>>50337335
>PoW classes tend to shit out tons of damage

Paizo martials will ALWAYS beat PoWs at damage.

Good look up charge pouncing builds, dumbass bitch.

>>50336716
petite girls, anal, small inflation, breast sucking, bondage, consensual slavery, consensual mindbreak/ego destruction, harems, semen drinking and more

>>50337489
>but I guess I like it if a fight drags 6-8 rounds
You must really hate Barbarians
Also, how can you exhaust your resources when most Paizo martial usually just full attack each round.

Plus,PoW characters tend to be just as susceptible to large numbers of goons than their Paizo counterparts

>>50337546
>semen drinking

From the source or from bottles?

>>50337548
>Plus,PoW characters tend to be just as susceptible to large numbers of goons than their Paizo counterparts

Lol counters, lol OD/ZS warders having bullshit good defenses on top of bullshit offense.

>>50337528
Using those edge cases as examples is pretty bad sport
They are hardly "typical" builds

>>50336746
She's not yet learned to cry inside.
I'm sure she'll learn soon.

>>50337558

Not him, but I'm personally a fan of when the girl uses it to "flavor" her drink, just find a nice quiet place to get it fresh into the mug, ya dig?

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>>50337548
>You must really hate Barbarians

In Path of War, you can trade in all your rage powers but your first to get maneuvers on a barbarian!

Now you can rape all the faces!

>>50337548
>You must really hate Barbarians

If you're supposed to have 4 encounters a day, that's usually the good number of rounds a fight should last at mid level.

>>50337528
What? If we are talking pure martials against initiators absolutely not.

>>50337566
>Lol counters
Require immediate actions, you only get one per round, and that's if you didn't spend your Swift already

>>50337548
Umm
Don't barbarian swim in rage rounds after like 5 levels anyway

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>>50337571
OD/ZS warders aren't typical either.

If you see someone playing an OD/ZS warder, that's a major red flag that they're a powergaming fuckwit. Boot them from the game without a second thought and blacklist them.

>>50337528
>Paizo martials will ALWAYS beat PoWs at damage.

Don't post garbage like this and then have the absolute nerve to call me a "dumbass bitch", you fucking weeb piece of fucking mongoloid trash. Shut the fuck up.

>>50337528
Not everyone is a pouncebarian, but yeah the average fighter will wreck an initiator dumb enough to leave an opportunity for full attacks. But that 'drop a pile of extra dice' certainly makes it harder to set up enemy positioning ince the PoW dudes can stay mobile, and some of the Boosts can add plenty of damage on top of full attacks too.

>>50337558
either or, women getting treated like honey ants with sustenance effects is hot, especially when 'feeding' others. also ring gags & buttplugs

>>50337593
You spend the immediate before you get the swift, not the other way around.

>>50337507
And what is the difference between skills rolls, that are limited by the nature of the text, and spells that do something similar, but work without fail, unless you run across the rare foe that specializes in countering spells?
Big damage numbers does not make a good class, and what martials lacked always was the versatility that only spells brought to the table until ToB/PoW.

>>50337584
Except you lose Spell Sunder line, plus as a Barb your Rage Full Attack will still outdamage most of your manuevers, making getting that archetype pointless

>>50337606
PoWs can't do charge pouncing builds anywhere as well.

PoWs totally can't do MOUNTED charge pouncing builds.

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>>50337630
Use full attack/multiattack maneuvers.

>>50337617
Show me a full attacking Fighter using only paizo that can out damage an equal level PoW character.

>>50337650
Which have been explicitly noted as busted and will be receiving errata. Are you just purposefully-ignorant or legitimately-stupid?

I don't even want to mention Spheres to here now

>>50337666
Why?

How can I get more Knowledge skills added to my class skill list?I'm building a level 3 Lore Warden/Slayer, if that's important