Flames of War General: If you kids keep arguing I am turning

My suggestion:

If you like soviets, as I do, we research a division and come up with a fanlist for them, like the late-war-leviathans project. Paratroopers are an obvious one but there's a couple of guards tanks brigades I remember doing cool stuff I'd need to look up. A lot of folks here who aren't me apparently know a lot more about the naval infantry than I do, so I trust you guys.

If you think the soviets are fine, cool, just don't use anything this project creates and don't bug the thread about it.

>>50332849
No problemo, though I realised we could probably do with ones for TY too (though those are basically "any starter is fine").

>>50332807
>when you actually use fast tank

Not to derail the lovely discussion we were having... but is anyone building/ has anyone played against BritBong milan spam yet? Is is OP or are we just missing some easy counters to it? I think a mix of pinning and focus fire on the Carl Gustavs could leave the door open for them to be run over by cheap tanks with bazooka skirts. Take advantage of the milans minimum range.

>>50332862
I think midwar would be a good place to start. Stalingrad and Sevastopol? Maybe we can get a discord going to create a place to bounce some ideas around.

https://discord.gg/EWU5T

If you are interested in providing constructive feedback for this project, the discord link is above. All are welcome, just be respectful.

I want a EW russian train for EW strelk. Is there a cheap purchase option, somewhere?

>>50332921
I had with the T-72 spam and I didn't really work it out. We had two games and I lost both, though in the first some bad reserve rolls didn't help. It's a lot of very effective fire to try and deal with before you get in range.

>>50333135
Invalid or expired.

>>50333563
>>50333135

https://discord.gg/drZbxvm

New and improved! Non-expiring discord link.

>>50333536

I think artillery is a must to attempt to keep the milans pinned. Cheap tanks with DFS like Leo 1s should also help block the milans LOS on their following turns. They can blitz move, but they will give up being dug in (and gtg if they shoot).

Also, I think that most british players will only bring 4 tracked rapiers as AA. You might be able to directly attack them at the beginning of the game, sacrificing some air units for air superiority for the rest of the game.

>You don't need tactics when you outnumber someone 10:1
The best ratios the Soviets ever had were slightly better than 3 to 1 in strategic manpower, and even if we are generous and say these numbers are waaaaay off and they had double that, we still aren't close to 10:1.

>, and indeed they didn't. 14 soviets died for every german
Not even close, here are some rough numbers:

About 10 million military personnel were lost by the Soviets. 3.5 of those died in captivity. This makes about 6.5 million combat casualties.

About 4 million were lost by the Germans on the Eastern front, 370k of those died in captivity. This makes about 3.6 million combat casualties.

This gives you a ration of about 1.8 Soviets per German, 2.5 if we are generous and count starved/worked to death/slaughtered POWs. 14:1 my ass.
I don't even like Soviets that much, mate, I am more of a Britophile but rabid Nazi glorification like that, which seems to be taken straight out off Enemy at the Gates really makes me angry.

>>50333907
Dude, he's spouting memes to troll people. Don't feed the trolls.

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>>50333907
>I am more of a Britophile
You sir, i like you.

>>50333647
Was playing T-72s, no cheap tanks or DFS there. Artillery is hard to work with when the OP is so easy to kill and they bombard on 5+. I could've maybe been more aggressive about getting into machinegun range but chieftains are a bitch on the defence, especially with abrams applique.

>>50333907
The Soviets weren't just fighting Germans. They also fought italians, hungarians, romanians, finns, french, and probably other people I forget. Some guy calculated that when you include them it comes to 1.1:1, or something silly, which isn't bad given the massive losses in Barbarossa and the subsequent rush on Berlin that took them through multiple prepared defences and city fights.

>>50333907
>This gives you a ration of about 1.8 Soviets per German, 2.5 if we are generous and count starved/worked to death/slaughtered POWs. 14:1 my ass.
Also he's got 14:1 by including total soviet deaths.

Also kill/death ratios are a really dumb way to say how your war's going.

>Now, according to the International Institute for Strategic Studies there are 60,000 tanks in active service worldwide, with China boasting the most (about 7,450) and North Korea (3,500), Russia (3,300) and India (3,250) bringing up the rear.

Holy shit I knew best corea had a war boner but having half the amount of tanks china has?

>>50334353
Mostly bad knockoffs of the T-34 and T-55 with no fuel. Those still count, right?

>>50334380
don't forget all those shitty Ch'onma-hos. Shitty T-62 knockoffs are wonderful, just not for fighting a war.

r8

Finnish EW Panssarikomppania

Panssarikomppania HQ
2 T-26 - 95 points

Panssari Platoon
4 T-26 - 190 points

Panssari Platoon
4 T-26 - 190 points

Panssari T-34 Platoon
1 T-34 - 355 points

Jaakari Platoon
4 Jaakari squads - 170 points
Close Defence team +5 points

Armoured Car platoon
3 BA-6 - 205 points

Artillery Battery
4 76 K/02 - 275 points

Total 1485

People in the last thread asked about my Soviet list, so:
>Berlin Assault Group, 2nd Guards Tank Army
>officially consisted of a tank company, an SMG company, self-propelled artillery platoon, 1-2 AT guns and random combat engineers
So how do we represent this? Well, this is a pretty solid list of combat platoons here similar to a forward detachment. Assault group specifics varied wildly so we have an excuse for support platoons as well.
>why don't you just use Hero lists my man
Besides being pretty shitty, they actually reflect operations in 1943 more than anything else. During that year the tank army would regularly fall to such comically weak levels you could feasibly run every tank in the army in a single large game. Losses were atrocious and the concept of a small ragged band of veterans doing the impossible fits best for mid-war Soviets. By 1945 this particular unit remained in a good state even after combat, partly due to competent logistics and more so increasing competence. The MW version of this will be closely related to existing Hero lists.

This is intentionally rambling as it helps me go through my plans for this. Back to the assault group list, you would have
>Fearless Veteran
>Always Attack
>fyi these are normal strength units
>1 T-35/85 tank company (permit as few as 3 tanks because holy balls expensive)
>1 SMG company (with panzerfaust options)
This will always be mandatory. Working in the AT guns is rather harder, because players should want them. Might want to let them always start on table. I had to bail my parrot out of something so I lost my train of thought.

>>50335151
ZIS-2, right? Those things are amazing, you want them anyway. They move as light guns and are RoF 3 AT 11, that's a solid panzer puncher.

>>50335716
Yeah, they had no 45mms in the army at that point. They mentioned hauling them up to roofs to permit better fire. Also no H&C which seems obvious but it helps to point everything out.

The only stat difference I was so much as considering was making the SU-100 ROF 2 as they performed stellar in Berlin, got nothing but praise for accuracy and building-wrecking.

>>50335941
Lack of H&C and vet are probably enough.

>>50334134
Holy shit, why am I only now seeing this work of beauty!?

>>50335151
Maybe give them the begleit thing of being able to serve as a dismounted platoon or tank escorts?

/tg/ - we have Tanksgiving this Saturday. My FLGS is having a 500 point roster for any army in WWII.

What's the best German List? I have LW tanks.

Thanks!

>>50337642
two reluctant trained king tigers at 430 points

>>50337642
I don't know the exact point values off the top of my head, but I think you can fit either 3 Panthers OR 4 Panzer IVs into 500 points.

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94 points of west germans assembled.
Now we wait for the restock of NATO spray.

>>50339032
Nice.

What's in the list?

I can see Leopard 2s, PAHs, Luchs, and Geppards.

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>>50339110
Panzerkompanie
7xLeo2
2xGepard
4xLuchs
2xBo105 Helis

LARS are next.
>and then Leo1, Fuchs, grenadiers, etc

No idea how I'll get a single M-113 though.

>>50339292
Direct order it from BF's website. They sell sprues for single vehicles now.

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>>50339340
Now why didn't I think of that?

>>50339292

I think you can purchase single sprues online from Battlefront.

>>50339400
because the shipping is a bitch

>>50338783
>4 Panzer IVs
You can fit 5 FV ones into 500.

>>50338308
choked on my coffee laughing. thanks

Are there any good ways to get cupolas, and specifically just the cupolas, for Panzers? I need them for my beute but I don't want to shell out for a whole kit I can't use.

>>50340811
http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=2785

>>50340565
actually tho

Is the minimum for US Ranger list in Battle of the Bulge (p. 126) a Battalion HQ, two Ranger companies and then either a third Ranger company or one Mortar Platoon? I'm new to this whole thing, so I'm kinda confus by this particular chart.

>>50341012
Christ those look like shit.

Welp might as well get some Zvezda Pz IVs, at least they're only £3.

>>50341281
You have to have one choice from each box shaded black. After that you are free to pick from any other boxes you want, so long as you never pick more than one choice from a given box.

So in this case, yes, you do need those three compulsory choices, and the third one can be either a ranger company or the mortars.

>>50341475
That's what I thought, I just wasn't sure about the third mandatory choice.

>>50341429
Either that or you talk to some of your local German Players. If they're like me, they're usually sitting on a couple of Cupolas apiece because you always have a few left over.

>>50341505
Yeah, that's understandable. Most lists are 2, but there are a few with 1 or 3 compulsory choices.

>>50341605
It wasn't really the third choice that threw me off, it was how the third choice could be a Mortar Platoon or a Ranger Company. I wasn't sure if both of those were compulsory, or I could have either of them as my third mandatory.

Does anybody have experience with PSC's Soviet Infantry?

>>50341738
They're okay. They're skinny and a little soft compared to BFs and don't have round bases (they're longer and more awkward to fit on those slotta things, though you can do it with clippers), and a lot of them are 2 part which I can guarantee 100% will involve some degree of gluing your fingers together. I would personally say wait until they get redone or something but they do include one of the few female soviet minis in 15mm. I would personally get BF's box in this case (same for the US, but the Brits and Normandy/Early War Germans are more or less interchangeable).

>>50341738
Cheap. Somewhat limited poses. Smaller proportions than the heroic scale BF and later PSC minis. Unique woman combat medics. I prefer the battlefront models, but I plan to use my PSC dudes for tank escorts and a straf batalon.

>>50341831
>two part 15mm infantry
For what purpose?

>>50341924
Posing or swappable weapons. If you use some nice plastic cement it's not too much of a pain, though doing it 100 times is kind of tiresome.

>>50334880
Perkele/10
Looks solid. Shame you couldn't take pioneers rather than the Jaakari.

>>50342346
I have a close defence at least, but yeah. I already had to knock 4 off the BA-10s to fit under.

So now that Team Yankee has more than 2 factions I'm debating getting into it.

Are the Brits just Brits, or is it like WW2 where you have sub lists for different parts of the UK? Can I run Canadians?

Also; are infantry much of a thing in TY, or is it all tanks all the time?

>>50343607
Mech Infantry exist, but Tanks are the shit and will always be the shit.

>>50343676
Well I get that, I'm just worries the game will be "bring a list that's 90% armor or get the fuck out."

>>50343985
I mean it's not just tonks, it's also helochopters and anti aircraft guns and artillery.

But it is gonna be largely AFVs, I mean warfare in the 80's is thoroughly mechanized.

>>50344031
Except that my take on TY Brits make it seem like they were designed with the infantry player in mind.

Some of that is strictly the airmobile infantry, but even their regular mechanized infantry seem a step up from other NATO infantry.

>>50344127
That's good. I want to make sure that spending points on infantry won't be a "you lose" button. I get it's heavily mechanized, but combined arms is a thing.

>>50344127
true true, and they get a full on milan platoon to compete with other countries tonk

>>50344242
it won't in general. I feel like west germans would have a hard time of it since their platoons are so small

brits and soviets get helicopter-mobile infantry tho

How reasonable/realistic would it be to model engineer-sappers with not everyone in body armor, but only 2 or 3 out of 4 on each base? (which might go lower on some of the special weapons, of course).

For the sake of discussion, assume it is noticeable that not everyone is armored (I for one will know)

>>50345951
I would not have a problem with it at all. It's entirely possible some members of the unit lost their armour during combat, discarded it (even if temporarily), or there simply was not enough armour to equip the entire unit. Wargames units tend to look a lot more uniform/perfect than happened in reality.

>>50343985
Infantry can be very effective in TY. I run Aufklärungs recon infantry. Despite only having 4 stands (one being a milan). Digging them in makes them very sticky. Infantry have trouble assaulting the mg teams. Panzerfausts can pose some threat agains MBTs and shred APCs. The single Milan can poke at far away armor.

Now for the Brits, take this and scale it up a factor of 2.5. Mechanized infantry will be able to hold out. Just keep your Carl Gustavs alive. Airmobile platoons can get a shit ton of milans, but I would deploy them in a support position. Putting them anywhere MBTs would want to be attacking will just result in being smoked and getting run over by tanks they can't even bail because they don't get Carl Gustavs.

Anyone seen pics of these kits yet? I can't find them.

GBX89 Puma Panzerpah Platoon (plastic)
GBX90 Limited Tiger 1E Platoon (plastic)

>>50345951
Among other things some LMG gunners and all flamethrowers weren't given them.

>>50346869
Not seen yet. "Soon". "Next week". "Before Christmas", etc.

>>50346869
I thought the Tigers were going to be released under the TANKS brand, and not specifically for Flames of War.

>>50348210
It's both.

>>50348210
I think that's just an initial release that was publically shown? BF would be pretty daft not to release plastic Tigers to the FOW community.

>>50346869
Well the puma kit for TANKS is out on gf9 website so you can see some assembly stuff

>>50348210
I would assume that they will release single plastics for TANKS and platoon boxes for FoW.

>>50348210
According to the email my store got like a month ago it's a box of 5 Tigers that also includes everything needed to use them in TONKS.

Zvezda put up their 2017 Catalog.
The only things FoW related that are gone be published are:
- IS-3
- Maus
- Sd.Kfz.173 JagdPanther
- Sd.Kfz.186 JagdTiger

Sadly, no updates on Hot War so no new TY stuff.

>>50349874
Link?

I'd love to see the previews if there are any.

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>>50349874
>No T-55
>No non-shit M1
>No M-60

They don't want to print money. Or perhaps Team Yankee isn't making as big of a splash out east.

>>50349874
>- Maus
I don't know which is worse, that they're releasing this, or that it'll most likely sell like crazy.

>>50350147
That we're going to have people whining for stats for it and the IS-3 in FoW.

>>50350376
There are the unofficial Late War Leviathans stats that we came up with, but the key word there is obviously "Unofficial".

>>50350376
They both at least might've seen combat, unlike 10.5cm tigers or E-50s.

>>50349874
>Jagdtiger

Fuck yes.

>>50350103
Dunno, it's interesting that this year FoW related stuff got a lot of love - T-34 both versions, Lee, Stuart, Sherman 76mm - just to name a few... so it's interesting that next year they publish only two tanks (Jagdpantnher and Tiger were meant for this year, IIRC) - and both are rather obscure (well, Mouse is. IS-3 is only usable in FotN).

Strange choice, desu

>>50351228
Somebody needs to do an affordable SU-76 so I can go full retard and I'm holding my breath for zvezda.

>>50351318
just proxy them as IS-3s. I am sure no one will mind.

>>50351318
It's been on the todo list for PSC for forever, they're probably waiting for the Eastern Front MW revamp for timing bonuses.

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>>50351580
Do...do you even know how different they look?

>>50352246
I think he's trolling you dude.

>>50352341
I suspect it but you never know on the internet.

Say I'm an utter moron and wanted to play a Comet company. How would I go about doing so effectively? Got a good bit of experience under my belt, so the listbuilding is the tricky bit. 145pt tanks are a pain.

>>50352580
I think the general advice is that the Lorried Rifles are the only way they're viable. They're your Leo 1s, in that kind of scenario.

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Finally played my first game of Team Yankee!

60 points against the Young Gun who'd ruined me with a list I'd helped him design.

Here's an assembled shot of all of my shit. One of the Hind's suffered a Magnet popped free from the rotors.

Command T-72
4x T-72s
4x T-72s
Mi-24 Helicopter Squadron with four Helos.
Air Assault Company with 4xAK-74 teams, 4xRPG-7 teams (Represented by British Infantry.)
2xSU-47 Frogfoots.

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>>50352849
The Young Gun's Panzerzug

Command Leopard II
2x Leopards
2x Leopards
Marder Panzergrenadiers with minimum strength.
Luch (Stuarts)

Now the more astute of you may notice an important asset is missing. That's because the Germans are bloody expensive. Also it's why I was able to give him such a sound drubbing.

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>>50352908
Mission is Counter Attack. Ignore the second T-72 platoon hiding behind that Crater, I miscounted the number of platoons I was allowed to deploy. Second turn they'll be pulled off by mutual agreement.
I'm defending, other objective is off somewhere to the left in a forest.

First volley of shots from the T-72s on overwatch completely ruins the shit of the Marders. No survivors. The Young Gun is Dashing to attempt a flank march.

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>>50352969
And then this happened.

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>>50352995
And then this happened. I may need a Tall Flight stand at some point.

Pictures missing: T-72s and infantry arrive from reserves Turn Three, Gunnery Duel between T-72s and Leopard IIs ends in the favour of the Soviets.

End Result: All FASCIST CAPITALIST IMPERIALIST PIG ARMOUR DESTROYED FOR LOSS OF TWO T-72S AND EIGHT MISSILES.

[Cheeki Breeki Intensifies.]

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>>50352440
Just a little goof.

>>50352908
>Not bringing any dedicated AA to a game of Team Yankee.

You can't tell me he couldn't find 5 points to stick a couple of gepards in. Also not sure why he deployed his marders in a place where they could get shat on by T-72s on turn one.

>>50353393
As to the Gepards, Neither of us owns more than what's in our starter boxes really. I bought another box of Hinds, he built some Infantry. I really should have my own AA, or some artillery.
As for the dash mistake? I'll chalk it up to a lack of experience. Still a Young Gun after all.

>>50352908
Just a thought for next time; luchs are actually fucking huge so the Stuart might not be a perfect stand in. I can take a comparison picture later tonight

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>>50353817
I got u senpai

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>>50352651
Yeah, but I'm talking hardmode with the Armored Squadron. Minimum 1015 points in 7 Comets.

>>50353952
danke

Are all the TY books in the downloads?

>>50356190
Yeah, it's all in there.

Although Iron Maiden is rules-only at the moment. Team Yankee and Leopard are full scans.

>>50356190
Yep, though Iron Maiden's lore only.

>>50356190
yea but I think panzertruppen is in the digital section

>>50357035
>>50357108

Sweet.

Would it be fair to knock 5 points off the price of the Comet?

is there an online repository of all camouflage patterns?

was thinking of starting a West German force but that colour scheme ugly and this somehow affects gameplay in my small brain.

>>50360469
camopedia should have what you're looking for.

>>50359800
Potentially, but it's not really that much of a savings.

>>50360469
What's wrong with NATO 3 Color?

>>50360469
You take that back

NATO 3 color is beautiful

>>50354628
honestly that is a tough situation.

You don't have many points to work with and it is hard to keep platoons even. I am not saying it would be impossible, but it would be very hard to come up with a viable list at around 1500 points.

>>50365666
Assume I'm lucky and can get 1750 point games easily. What sort of support would you suggest?

>>50365922
Grab some artillery smoke, infantry to deal with other infantry, recce and try to get an even number of platoons

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Is this known yet?

>>50365922
I would spend 115 points for 3 Wasp carriers to burn up any dug in infantry. Pick up some lorried rifles for 180 points. They get a 3+ save while riding on your tanks just in case you HAVE to move them somewhere fast. Dingos for Recce. And 2-4 25 pounders for arty. AOP if you have the points for it. You won't have anything higher than AT 14, so you will have to use your comets really well for fire and maneuver.

>>50366687
Haven't seen that yet, and I generally watch these threads like a hawk.

Seems pretty interesting. I expect primitive stabiliser is gonna be similar to the WW2 version, tho I wonder how it'll interact with slow firing.

>>50366687
Oh god... Hen and Chicks is back... well kind of. Honestly it looks pretty alright and will likely cost around 3 points.

>>50366795
Basic stabilizer: Can tactical move 10" and fire with no penalties at moving ROF. You can elect to tactical move 14" with a +1 to hit.

Advanced Stabilizer: Can Tactical move 14" and shoot with no penalties at moving ROF.

>>50366822
I thought previously there was just "stabilizer" and "advanced stabilizer"

>>50366822
>>50366888

Yea the first one you described is just called "Stabilizer" in the existing rules.

The 'basic' version is probably something new and worse

>>50366905
Basic version probably just forbids going faster with a penalty.

>>50366917
So then why even have the rule, that's what it would do without a stabilizer.

>>50366917
>>50366926
Maybe it'll only allow penaltyless up to 6" or something, Smooth Ride style.

>>50366966
Oh gotcha, alleviate the slow fire penalty for shorter moves. That's probably it.

>>50366687
Front 14? Oh shit.

AT 17 seems like bullshit but oh well. No ATGM?

>>50367007
Maybe the atgm is a seperately upgrade and the stat line is included elsewhere, like the guided rounds for American paladins?

I hope.

>>50366687
W-where did you get that anon?
C-can you post more, please?

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>>50367114
Look in wargames illustrated

>>50367745

That's a bit too clear, can you make it blurrier?

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>>50367763
No

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>>50367788
Staring as hard as I can 10 t-55 cost like 19 points

>>50367845
Huh

>>50367845
>>50367788
>>50367745
>>50366687
Is it too much to ask for pictures that aren't posted sideways?

>>50368041
That's everything of value in the mag and it's a tablet, who knows how they work.

>>50367845
>No ATGMs
>Hit on 3+

Fuck this game. Are we ever going to get some elite soviets?

>>50368198
If anything, the friggin' Afgansty should be hit like Veterans. I mean they spent multiple years in the hell that is Afghanistan with Mujahideen waiting to jam Stinger Missiles up their assholes. How does that not make you get hit on a four plus like Descendant Capitalist Western Pig?

>>50368198
Elite soviets?
Sure, riding T-80s maybe.
You won't find them in volksarmee T-55s though, c'mon.

>>50368227
No kidding. They're pretty much the only troops in the game that would have seen real combat.

>>50367745
>>50367788
>>50367845
I am very excite!

>>50368091
>it's a tablet, who knows how they work.

Anyone who isn't a complete and total Luddite?

I know we're historical wargamers but we don't have to live up to all the stereotypes.

>>50368343
Chill my dude

I mean surely a technowizard like yourself can save and then rotate the picture. It takes less time than writing a post to complain and solving the captcha.

>>50368241
East Germans shared a readiness category with a lot of the soviet guards units, they were considered pretty tough.

>>50369064
Yeah but my understanding was that their equipment wasn't too hot.

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Oh frenchies, why is everything you do also art?

Does anybody know exactly how many SMGs come with PSCs Soviet Infantry box? I kinda want to throw a Shtrafnoy Batalon for cheap-ish and they seem like they may get the job done.

>>50369758
Maybe it's German?

Not like the Frenchies actually hung in there long enough for it to snow.

>>50370188
4-6 per sprue. So 16-24 per box?

>>50367845
2 points per tank? I really wish they'd drop the slow firing (Hen and Chicks) bullshit and raise the point cost by 1. But nope, just because they drive an old tank the crew must be bumbling retards.

500 point Soviets list taken from Red Bear. New to this whole thing so criticism is wanted.

Udarny Strelkovy Batalon

++Headquarters++
Battalion HQ (90)
-Anti-tank Platoon

++Combat Companies++
Udarny Strelkovy Company (190)
-2 Rifle Platoons

Udarny Strelkovy Company (190)
-2 Rifle Platoons


It all comes to a grand total of 500 points.

Okay I need someone very hurriedly, incredibly hurriedly to tell me why I shouldn't buy some more tigers, bringing the total count to an unusable eleven.

http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=5309

>>50346869
Up on the website now. Late wheels and zimmerit whether you want them or not on the Tiger =[. It looks like the spruces should have been able to fit alternate track pieces at least.

>>50371302
Because you're a boring person with no money?

Go on, do it

>>50371369
I have a problem I'm addicted to fancy dice and fancy objectives. I have to begin pulling my own mental fingernails out to resist their siren song.

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>>50371302
You can fit 11 Tigers in a 1550 point heavy tank school list!

>>50371302
>>50371443

>Kurt Knispel card.

he really should be a gunner, not a commander. they did that because otherwise germans would rule TANKS for years to come...

>>50371145
I mean, there's not much to critique. At 500 points you basically just take compulsory stuff. Not a lot of decisions to make

>>50367007
It's possible only the command tank gets the GL-ATGM. The 4 bastion missiles cost more than the rest of the T55, so they were issued selectively.

>>50368227
Yeah, they should have worse morale, for a start. They actually know what combat's like, and how fucked they are.

>>50369262
Sure, but you can have shit equipment and be hardcore, look at the Finns.

>>50371302
>Stopping at a usable number of tanks
Lol this guy.

But if you want to field them all at once just find a 12'x8' surface and play FFoT at 15mm

>>50372442
>knows how to not cry like x-com Rookies
>should be worse off than x-com Rookies

>>50372840
Oh I'm in total agreement there in both cases.

>>50370805
No it's documented french. And if you think that's winter camo then you need to look at the pic again.

>>50374607
Bmp

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>>50374607
This?
The "Fantasque"?

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Help me out here guys, what division was this? Found the tokens in an old box I had along with a Wiking dice tin.

>>50377826
Leibstandarte adolf hitler?

>>50377826
101st SS Heavy Panzer Battalion later dubbed 501st SS Heavy Panzer Batallion.

>>50377994
Nope. Those had only a single key

>>50377826
It's looking somewhat like the symbol for 101st SS Schwere Panzer-abteilung.

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>>50378159

>>50378995
Truth

The amount of hatches I've glued to my fingers...

>>50379092
/tg/ has done worse before
so much worse

>>50379092
I think the only thing I haven't glued to my fingers at one time or another, is resin tank hulls.

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Look at these idiots driving around their slow firing, basic stabilizer, dirt cheap shit rig.

>>50377826
>>50377994
>>50378041
>>50378043

are we intentionally trolling the McFagballs or is HitlerJugend SS 12 not a correct answer?

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>>50381849
What? No. This is Hj ss 12s insign
>McFagballs
Go away please.

>>50381128
>>50366806
Why do people think that the T-55 is going to be anywhere near as bad as Hen and Chicks? It might be a +1 to shooting if it moves or it just might be "You can only go at tactical speed and shoot", or we don't actually know yet. It's Stabiliser was one of the first to be used operationally on Soviet Tanks.

Hen and Chicks really is a pain in the ass, but Team Yankee era Command and Control systems doesn't allow anything anywhere near that bad. At least you'll be able to do things like move some of the tanks back into cover while keeping the rest on overwatch.

Really what we should be concerned about is that They're only AT 17. That's not enough to crack heavy Capitalist Pig Tanks. You're gonna want Spandrels.

>>50382007
Feels too weak too; AT 17 should be mid-cold-war ammo in use by the soviets. AT 16 was representing WW2-style APBC. Unless the germans weren't allowed decent ammo for some reason.

>>50374607
>black and white

Looks pretty winter to me

>>50371302
Because I have 12 and get on my level faggot

>>50382559
It's greyscale; you can see the original colouration here: >>50376661

It's forest camo.

Happy Thanksgiving to any American Flamesbros out there. Especially the ones I know, but you're all good really.

America gets a lot of shit, and obviously it has its problems like any nation, but I'd still rather you had our backs than anyone else in the world.

>>50382635
Happy Thanksgiving anon. Here's hoping we get our shit together, but it's good to know not everyone has given up on us.

Also, to any anons looking to pick up some Flames Of War Goodies in the spirit of good old capitalist pig greed, the Warstore has a ton of stuff at over 30% off, including a ton of team yankee stuff. Just check his bargain basement and you'll find it.

>>50382007
Slow firing, if I remember correctly, means you add +1 to hit if you move. Essentially it's Hen and Chicks.

>>50382007
>Hen and Chicks really is a pain in the ass, but Team Yankee era Command and Control systems doesn't allow anything anywhere near that bad

You'd think not, but we already have a 6" command distance and now the T-55 is being tagged with slow firing.

>At least you'll be able to do things like move some of the tanks back into cover while keeping the rest on overwatch.

That's a good point. I know I am exaggerating and being dramatic. It's just a little disappointing. I think making the T-55 a 3 point MBT with standard ROF 1 would keep the parking lot T-55 spam from being too absurd. But now I can throw 20 tanks on the board for 40 points.

>>50383500
Hen and Chick's main problem isn't that you get a +1 to hit, it's the fact that you can't move the platoon without that debuff being applied to all of the tanks and without the Platoon Commander moving. It's a huge tactical chokechain.

>>50383668
>6" command distance
Or you can do Line Abreast.

So I know Iron Madien just came out, but who do you guys think will be the next army for TY?

I imagine it's got to be a Soviet ally like China or something.

>>50383840
East German Volksarmee is up next.

>>50383813
We'll see how it plays out. The T-55 will need to be moving frequently to get sideshots on MBT. Didn't the t-55 have a loader? Not sure why slow firing is being tagged on.

>line abreast

You have to be careful with line abreast. If you don't position your tanks carefully your commander can get sniped out of formation so you still need to place tanks in a napoleonic line to make sure no one falls out of command.

>>50383886
Ah.

So I downloaded Iron Maden and it only has one list? Seems a bit odd.

>>50384221
So far we only have the background uploaded. Check wwpd if you want more info on the formations.

>>50384236
I found a download that said "rules only" and sure enough it's one list with special rules at the end and no fluff.

>>50384489
There should be a formations page in there.

If not, I'll likely buy Iron Maiden during this Black Friday weekend and do a full scan once I have it.

>>50385204
Yeah it has the formations.

I did a quick read of army building the TY book and it makes more sense to me now.

So no special rules for Canadians, but I can totally run my guys as canuks, yeah?

>>50385529
Canadians were using a mix of US and German equipment at the time, I think.

Leopard 1s as their MBT and M113s as their transports.

>>50385581
You could do that like right now with Panzertruppen.

>>50385581
>>50385881
Oh...well then I guess I'll need to come up with something else for my guys!

>>50386524
If you want to do Canadians they will be coming soon after the East Germans. Probably next spring. The only downside is having to buy resin Leopard 1s.

Not sure what the Canucks will have besides 113s and Leo 1s. I think they have scout cars, the cougar and grizzly that look like tiny LAVs. In the meantime you can use Panzertruppen to build up the core of your force. (Leo 1s, M113, M109s)

>>50382809
PSC is running a 25% off sale over the weekend. Too many deals of little plastic tanks and dudes. Not enough money.

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>>50384221
>>50384236
>>50384489
>>50385204

>IRON MAIDEN has 4 lists.
>literally what?

>>50388373
I may just do a regular Brit unit, maybe Scots.

>>50389755
I take it Leopord doesn't?

>>50389875
it's got 4 now

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>>50378159
Dat AK

>>50389875
Iron Maiden has 4 British Formations

Leopard has 3 West German Formations

Team Yankee has 2 American and 2 Soviet Formations.

>>50390285
Okay. See the formations thing was throwing me for a loop. I'm so used to list layouts for WW2 that I was like "a whole book for a single list? The fuck is this shit?!"

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Do I need 15 Churchill tanks?

>>50390750
Are you running guards lend-lease? If so, maybe for LW.

Otherwise no.

>>50390840
I guess I really should rephrase it as "do I need more than 10 churchills", since they're in boxes of 5...

And what kind of commie runs churchills as something not-british?

>>50390580
Yea, and in team yankee you're more likely to have a couple formations in your force.

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>>50390962
>>50390750
Nope, 10 is pretty much all you'll need, at least that you can make from plastic. Maybe a few of the BF VII/Crocs, since the PSC kit is great but only makes mk III-VI.

Speaking of Churchills, what does the thread think of this? 1515 because that seems to be the new tournament points.

>>50390750
>Someone playing UK and using British tanks instead of just spamming Shermans.
You sir get some major points.

>>50391342
What's the sort of standard sized game for TY? 200? 300? It seems like even with just 100 points you can get a decent smattering of stuff.

Also I was looking through IM and noticed the British mech platoons seem oddly laid out. The transports have passenger 3, but it seems like the mech platoon is assigning 2 stands to a transport instead

Am I just missing something?

>>50391639
100 is a large game. You might see 60-75 for smaller ones

>>50391726
Good to know. Thanks!

>>50391639
100 is the recommendation for a full-sized standard game, but anything above 60 will give you a decent idea of how the game plays.

>>50382809

Lots of West German stuff in the bargain basement. And with any BF order you get a free copy of the team yankee mini rulebook. Had to restrain myself from ordering ALL the T-26s. Picked up Rudel and a few Zvezda T-72s instead.

>>50393907

I played two games at 50 this week. Quick, but it felt unrepresentative. I lost only one stand of infantry total between both games, and gutted the Soviets both times.

Show me some pictures of neat DAK armies?

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>>50395177
Are you asking for DAK pics? Naughty anon.

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>>50395550

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Source: http://www.wwpd.net/2010/12/my-flames-of-war-collection-36-dak-in_03.html?m=1

>>50391639
CROMWELLS A BEST
BEST

Eagles where's the new Panzerfunk mang?

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how do you guys paint the dirt on your bases for eastern europe? every colour pallet i try aside from desert looking ones is shit.

>>50396636
Paint them? We all get together once a year and fly out to Russia to gather up some authentic eastern front dirt

>>50397104
i genuinely wish that were true.

>>50396516
Hey man I'm right there with you. I prefer the authentic feel of a nation's own weapons. And I play Mid-War Italians.

On a scale from 1 through Hero IS-2, how unwise is it to run 2 full-sized Shtraf Companies at 1000 points?

>>50397161
It'd be awesome

>>50397235
How do you get through top armor 2? Against infantry it would be really funny.

>>50397579
All you need to do to beat top 2 is surround them in assault before they fail a platoon morale test. They can't retreat through enemy teams, and so are captured by the hordes of ruskies.

Of course, a smart heavy tank commander will just Break Off Through Enemy before that point.

>>50396580
I've been having some computer issues.

Should be finished tomorrow.

Also, hosting family for Thanksgiving limited my free time to work on it...

>All these deals
>all this plastic crack available
>Warstore has crazy good deals on K47 stuff (like holy fucking shit those are good deals)
>Just made a promise to not buy another model until I finished an army for every system or start selling shit.
>I have over 10,000pts Flames of war for 3 different armies, probably 10,000pts of 40k between 5 armies, over 5,000pts in 4 Bolt Action armies, tons of DZC stuff, and even fucking Starship trooper full sized armies.
>The struggle is real

Goddammit RUDEL IS 12 DOLLARS I CAN'T TAKE THIS

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>>50395550
my old army

>>50399390
it could be worse: do you actually not have the money to spend?

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>>50400215
IT'S SO DUSTY

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http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=5308

I'm pretty obsessed with these little dudes. What Puma-heavy lists are there? What do I need to know about using them (and other variants thereof, or even other armored cars)?

>>50400287
is dat sum Dragon Cream?

>>50400729
Puma or other heavy armoured car lists are in Grey Wolf, Atlantik Wall, and the Ardennes Offensive. I can't be sure of what other smaller books have them but they're most notable in Atlantik Wall with the Panzerlehr.

Thanks. I see that The PSC has plastic Sd Kfz 250 halftracks (the old type, which looks cooler) so I'd use some of those too.

But now the doubt is setting in; what do you do with 5cm guns in LW? I guess I should go back to thinking of Pumas as recon and not light tanks.

>>50401366
You outflank, you wail on infantry, You pray that you don't encounter things too heavy to kill.

>>50403545
Very nice!

>>50405995
Really nice weathering. Did you use an airbrush? I really like the lighter orange color even if it makes the spaced armor seem a little useless.

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Went by one of my local shops today to look at TY stuff, and some guys were setting up for a huge Vietnam game. Thought you gents would appreciate this table they've got going.

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>>50408746
2/4

>>50408746
Wait, people PLAY Vietnam? I thought it was a myth, like Great War or the jews!

>>50408826
How dare you, I know for a fact that the Great War is real.

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>>50408758
3/4

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>>50408845
Now if only BF hadn't decided to dump it so fast.

4/4

And yeah I was surprised to see people playing Nam l, too.

>>50407667
Sry I stole that pic from the interwebs.

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Hey flames people who do midwar:
If I was going to be entering a midwar tourney 1k or less points, should I take SAS or OSS?
>smaller army sizes mean I can concentrate more on tactics
>weapon cache rule means silly unit composition for is a
>manuverable, and usually well trained
>partisans look cool and other than randumb train I g/morale might be really usefull
Also I like the idea of being able to force units off the board at game start. That could balance things quite well.

I ask because the local tourney is in about 2 weeks, and I wanted a fun list that is still competitive. Anybody play mid-war with other sudgetions? I play brits and americans, and have limited armor, but more than enough men to flesh out most armies.

>>50410058
Meant to say "silly unit composition for me is a bonus, dont know what happened there.

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>>50400729

>Pumas are nice
>Lel.

you gotta get good, Pumas are not for the weak....
also, be in full understanding of how the recon rules work.,..at all time...no rust!

>lost a game recently...

>>50410104
>bases on vehicles

I'm aware my inner autism is crossing over and sharing some real estate with my outer autism... but no. Why would you ruin a decent paint job like that?

>>50410058
People play something other than Late War armored companies?

>>50410561
NZ Masters this year is Mid War. Biggest Tournaments in these regions have been Early War, Mid War and Late War, Nicon was Late War, but themed armies for D-Day.

>>50410561
>People play something other than Late War infantry/mechanised companies?
Fixed that for you senpai.

>>50410561
>>50410623
Yes, and its really bugging some of the local players, but it is still a midwar tourney so i wanted some help.

There are some players who are crying over their lack of konig tigers but they play cheese lists anyways, so fuck em.

Back to the real question:
>any competitive non armor brit or american midwar lists?

>>50411142
I'd imagine US Armored Rifles would still be pretty effective in Mid-War, but that's purely a guess based on how good they are in Late War.

>>50411247
I assume they'd be better, if anything. Bazookas are even scarier MW.

New to Flames. I've bought the starter kit, plus a Patton's Eagles box, as well as a Panzergrenadier platoon and a platoon of Panzer IVs. As you can probably tell, I have no idea how to build armies. Did I do good?

Also, building the Pershings, should I make them Super Pershings? I have no clue.

>>50411647
it actually sounds like you have some good units to start. you've got the basic building blocks for a good army.

take a good look at the beginners guide at the top of the thread. its basically time to specialize (especially as the germans). in case you didn't realize you build your forces around lists based on real life theatres of war. so for example, you wanna choose to build a german infantry force from normandy, or yankees from operation husky etc etc.

tldr read the OP beginners guides.

>>50411647
There was only ever one Super Pershing built.

So you can choose to assemble one as the Super Pershing, but you're probably better served by assembling them all as standard Pershings.

>>50411860
>>50411764
Ta mates.

>>50411860
Conflicting opinion: Three pershings is about 600 points. I don't think I've ever brought all three in a tank list, whereas the super pershing is a mainstay.

>>50412115
How small is a minimum sized Pershing platoon?

Could he build 1 Super and 2 Regular?

Or is 3 the minimum for Pershings?

>>50410622
Huh, never would have guessed.

Been a while since I played last, so maybe things have changed. I just know when I was playing more often people would get bummed when they had to play mid-war with me

>>50412257
Minimum of 1. You can take 1 super pershing or 1-5 pershings with a heavy tank slot, and get 1 heavy tank slot in a B@R list.

>>50412257
>>50412443
Well, good thing I held off on that third one. Guess it'll be a Super.

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Jesus titty-fucking Christ, this took forever and a day to finish working on...

Here it is a long last, the newest episode of Panzerfunk.

Panzerfunk Episode 17: Run for the hills! Run for your life!

http://panzerfunk.podbean.com/e/panzerfunk-episode-17-run-for-the-hills-run-for-your-life/

In this Episode the Funkmeisters discuss:

- Recent Hobby Activities.
- "The Trooper" - Our review of Iron Maiden for Team Yankee.
- Re-Pete - Our thoughts on everything new we learned from WWPD's interview with Battlefront's Pete Simunovich.
- Ask the Funkmeisters - Questions from YOU, our listening audience about out thoughts on Version 4, painting NATO camouflage, playing with Fearless Veteran forces, and tips and tricks for using Pioneers & Pioneer Supply Vehicles.

>>50412948
I really should download the last dozen or so. I have been really bad about keeping up.

Also another question for you folks. Is the mini rulebook in the TY starters like the mini rulebook for WW2?

>>50413272
Similar enough.

Full game play rules, but minus the force lists.

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>>50412948
what time do you faggots start talking about the brits in team Yankee
i saw the mc diks terrian and thought red alret and i want to know where to start
as a not slav

>>50408963
>>50408758
Damn Vietnam has nicer roads than my whole state

Sup /FoWg/ I noticed the Brits get Indian armies.
Where would I find them

Any good sales going on this weekend or for Cyber Monday? Usually someone is doing a discount for Black Friday weekend but I didn't see much this year. Could really use some new terrain.

>>50414458
Road to Rome has Fearless Veteran Indian options for the basic infantry list. It's pretty fun because it's got Churchill and Crocodile choices.

Not sure where BF put the Indian recce list...

>>50414458
I believe they're in the Italian books.

>>50414470
The Warstore had a lot of Flames stuff. They may have some terrain too

>>50410104
Lovely army. Forged in Battle minis?

How do you like the Tiger support?

>>50413467
Cool. I'll still probably have a hardcover copy just to keep on the shelf.

I was handling the TY book today at my LGS and fuck that thing is thin. It seems super tiny compared to WW2.

Anyone notics the shit ton of Team Yankee stuff in the Warstore's baegin basement? I always assumed that was for shit that was going OOP.

>>50415384
Probably bought too much of it. It's mostly West German stuff. I bet they expected people to go ham like they did for USA and Soviets, and have a lot laying around.

Protip, if you want a West German army for Team Yankee, head to the Warstore right now. The entire range is 30% off and there's a black friday code to get another 5% off on top of that.

>>50414458
Hellfire and Back for EW, North Africa for MW, Road to Rome for LW

>>50370805
>Not like the Frenchies actually hung in there long enough for it to snow.
Except through the winter of 1939/40, of course

>>50417107
>french in the snow
They must have had plenty to eat on the march home right? I bet the quality varied from person to person.

>>50411142

US armored rifles

Any Brit list you can put 8+ 25 lbers in.

>>50411142
British Infantry with Night Attack, if you're feeling inclined. Can be done as RV (South African), CV (8th army or New Zeelander), FV (Aussie, paras, Indians), CT (Canadians, 1st army, FT (more Indians)...

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>>50414801
yup.
tiger support carries most the heavy weight, actually. it IS a recon company.

>>50410142
>vehicles come that way.

it's just autism.

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Was up all night regretting eating pizza, so I cobbled together a EW Strelkovy list out of what I have. The core is 2 x 19 man companies of FT infantry backed up by maxims, attached AT rifles, and attached sappers. 45 mm AT guns are hauled in by T-20 Artillery Tractors which can stay on the board to provide more MG cover. Brought 4 x 37mm AA because FT with RoF 4 and AT 6 is pretty nice in EW. 120mm mortars are there because they are hillariously cheap for what they do in EW.

If I have to attack, I realize I am in a tough spot, but I guess I would try to wheel up all my gun teams in a position to focus fire on the enemy line while the mortars keep them pinned. Maybe I could get at least one company of infantry across the board with enough numbers to have QoQ.

Any comments?

>>50412948

Just listening to that now. Thanks for all your hard work in editing and bringing this to us.

>>50420734
The work is hardly difficult, just time consuming.

And with long days at work, busy weekends, and family in town to entertain, I it took me far longer than I thought it would to get done.

But I hope you're enjoying it. It's always fun to record these with the other Funkmeisters.

Now I just need to figure out when we can try to record our next episode. December is a stupidly busy month for me as well.

>>50422284
Panzerfunk is always a good listen. You guys have some informative and entertaining banter without taking yourselves too seriously. Breakthrough assault's podcast is mindnumbingly boring while WWPD is ear grating (Although their new on the road podcast is pretty decent).

>>50419296
They do come that way, but it's unnecessary. I'm not that other guy, but I'd be taking the bases to a belt sander.

>>50423769
seconding this
I think I've listened to at least one episode of all fow podcasts available and man are they all boring.
Except panzerfunk.

>>50424154
Honestly I don't listen to podcasts in general, or watch many videos for that matter. I prefer to read at my own pace.

Is there any trick to using tank destroyers other than "hide them so their thin armor matters less, position them to prevent breakthroughs"?

>>50423769
This.

You guys never come across as the "Listen to us because we're the only ones who know how to play the game" like so many other podcasts. Too many are powergamey and not fun.

Also Panzerfunk is the only podcast dedicated to a single game that I can listen to.

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Is there a Winter War book for FoW?

Finnish Soldier vs Soviet Soldier: Winter War 1939-1940 (Osprey Combat 21 )

The Winter War was supposed to be a quick and easy conflict; instead it proved to be a bitter war that destroyed the international reputation of the Soviet Red Army. The diminutive Finnish force was desperately outnumbered by almost half a million Russian troops, but rather than sweeping across their neighbours the Soviet troops stumbled blindly, constantly wrong-footed and then bloodied by their seemingly insignificant foe. Drawing on a wide range of sources this study looks at three key battles, drawing a stark contrast between the poorly prepared Russian troops and the Finns, who made excellent use of terrain and innovative guerrilla tactics as they defended their homeland. Detailed maps and specially commissioned artwork highlight key moments in the Winter War, a David-and-Goliath conflict that saw the Soviet Union suffer horrendous losses as they tried to recover from each disastrous defeat.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/2us087eo1kcyj6u/Osprey+-+CBT+021+-+Finnish+Soldier+vs+Russian+Soldier+1939-40.pdf

>>50427270
Rising Sun covers that and Russia's war with japan from that period.

>>50427270
Rising Sun is the book you want. All sorts of Finnish goodness in there!

>>50427034
Always choose your targets wisely.

You want to be reasonably certain that whatever you shoot at will either be destroyed by your shooting, or pose no significant threat should they be able to return fire the following turn.

>>50427345
>>50427473
>Rising Sun

>book with title clearly referencing the Japanese who are the main focus of the book
>also has Finnish lists for the winter War.

That always struck me as a bit odd that Battlefront but them in that book.

>>50427908
New thread up.

>>50423810

it's extra work.

and you've got that huge resin wad betwix the treads afterwards...

i just live with bases.....i've got bigger worries.

>>50427034
American or everyone else's?

American ones you can literally just drop on people and have them annihilate a platoon on side armour, but otherwise yeah.

>>50427517
Eh, whatever. I'll take it so long as it has juicy Winter War Finns in it.