Wait I count 1077 marines, charitably ignoring any dreadnoughts

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>>50331222

whoops wrong image

>>50331234
"Specialist" staff is not counted towards the limits of the Codex, i.e Chaplains, Techmarines, Apothecaries, and Librarians.
That means that without even counting thise that stay at home, in training, or doing non-combat duties, you already have at least 40 marines that shouldn't be counted. Add the replacements and what I said, and you get to tour number or around it.

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>>50331222
>"Ultramarines"

>>50331468
>i.e Chaplains, Techmarines, Apothecaries, and Librarians.
and captains, and command staff, and honor guard, and the guys driving all the tanks/ships

it's never really been a hard limit

>>50331572

So if youre a space based chapter you could pretend X number of marines are part of the support or logistics staff?

Still butt hurt about the black templars going from 6k to 1100 marines.

Now I can say they have 1100 normal combat marines and 5000 space ship captains.

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>>50331222
Ultramarine fucking shits can't even obey their own Primarch's instructions. Only sons of Dorn can truly master the Codex Astartes.

>>50331468
why don't Iron Hands have like 10k Techmarines? would've been quite in character for them

>>50331584
>So if youre a space based chapter you could pretend X number of marines are part of the support or logistics staff?
No, because those duties are given to chapter serfs, and also because one of the things the codex DOES concern itself with is the number of fleet assets any one chapter can claim access to.

That's why the smurfs had to think real fuckin' hard about bumping up their fleet in response to hive fleet behemoth nearly wiping them out.

A chapter going "no fo realzies we have a fleet larger than most sector battlefleets it's cool leave us alone" would get themselves fucking murdered for it.

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>>50331598
>██████████████████████
>█ Not fortifying your own posts █
>██████████████████████
How does it feel to literally have the worst primarch?

>>50331642
wait, i don't think Russ is Fists' primarch...

>No one man should have the power of a legion, so lets break up into chapters
>Ultramarines, Imperial Fists, Dark Angels all maintain close as fuck ties that they might as well be legions

jokes on you shattered legions!

>>50331663
you forgot Blood Angels

and Raven Guard may too, since they are so stealthy nobody would ever notice

>>50331663
>>50331671

Lets not forget the Imperial Fists have the Last Wall protocoll and used it against The Beast.

Although youd think if Terra is threatened, every chapter wouldnt send at least some token force...

>>50331693
>Ultramarines
>OHSHI- Terra is threatened
>open Grandpa Smurf's "ONLY OPEN IN CASE TERRA IS THREATENED" letter
>see the plan to cede from the Imperium and make Imperium 2.0, like he was gonna during Horus Heresy
>ok. if Archsmurf commands, the smurfs obey

>>50331717

Ah come on, what was MOSTRESPECTED suppose to do? The Astronomicon wasnt working and they had a perfectly fine xenos lantern which just happened to be in their territory.

Would you rather all the loyalists just bump around aimlessly?

>>50331693

They did but by that point the orks have put up a blockades along the main routes.

A Chapter has no maximum size, because Apothecaries, Librarians, Chaplains, Techmarines, Captains/Chapter Masters *and their command squads*, and most importantly, vehicle crews do not count against the 1000 man limit. That is why Dreadnoughts do not count against the 1000 man limit - the marine inside is listed as the one man crew of the vehicle. You could have a chapter of 10,000 Dreadnoughts and 100 Tactical Marines, in theory, and the Codex would accuse you of being understaffed. This is prevented in practice due to the 40k universe's inability to mass produce equipment - otherwise you really would see chapters consisting of fleets of land raiders.

>>50331840
>10,000 Dreadnoughts and 100 Tactical Marines

A Iyandan style Chapter is something i would very much love to see

I shouldn't feed the troll but:

Apoths, Lib, Chaps, Techies, Caps, HG/Command Squad doesn't count towards cap.

Theoretically you could have a massively overstrength chapter if you designate every extra one of the above.

>>50331663

Not to mention one of the first things Ultramarines did after splitting the Legions was gather ALL THE FUCKING CHAPTERS together and assaulting the Night Lords on Tsulgasa.

As I say, you say hypocrisy, I think Gulliman

>>50331222
>Why are the Ultramarines disobeying the Codex Astartes?

They're not, the 1000 men is only a rough guide line and only for line men.
Roughly put ten companies of ten squads of ten men. Even this is not truly accurate as the 10th company has no formal size.

>>50331601
1. mars has to comply
2. they were really fucked during the heresy and still haven't fully recovered.
name a iron hand successor i dare you

i count 10 groups of 10 marines each, for a total of 100 marines
the command squad, the captain, and the chaplain, are not counted towards the limit of 1000 marines, and neither are scouts

Why are people so assblasted about the limit anyway? Most chapters can barely maintain codex strength anyway and after the clusterfuck of the HH, ot seems pretty reasonable. What's there to gain from Legions?

>>50331655
>killed 2 primarchs, crippled a third.
>worst
kek, nice try Lion El'Jonson

>>50332784
>>killed 2 primarchs, crippled a third.
>Implying this isnt your headcanon
>Implying you have a source
K.

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>>50332671
Iron lords, who have the most based colour scheme in 40k

>>50332646
9 companies of 100 men plus command plus librarians plus chaplains plus techmarines. Scouts dont count as marines for codex purposes.

>>50331981
>A Iyandan style Chapter is something i would very much love to see
this was basically my chapter in chapter master. It was pretty op desu. just lines of lascannons+rocket launcher dreadnoughts firing off into the enemy ranks

>>50331222
Like most idiots, you're assuming that every chapter is magically up to full strength at all times. That's very rarely the case.

>>50332784
kill-count is hardly measure of goodness
Russ was greatest dick and his legion was known for being ruthless and committing war-crimes left and right - and that's with stuff like Night Lords on the same side!
kill-count is only thing Russ can have, 'cos he's nothing more than a rabid dog

>>50332671
Red Talons etc

>>50331584
the Imperial Navy gives Codex space marines enough shit about their fleets as it stands

you could exceed the limits on battle brothers that way, but since you'd still only be talking about a handful per vessel (unless you for some unimaginable reason had access to more than a few cruiser/battleship sized vessels) and it would be hard to exceed more than a hundred before the IN started whistling about you

>>50331468
>>50331572
way way back in Codex: Ultramarines it explicitly says this (page 9)

also says Chapters regularly exceed the 1,000 limit in times of protracted conflict (which you would expect, since there will be wounded, scouts being trained to replace expected losses, etc)

>>50331222
>Ultramairnes

>>50332829
scouts explicitly do count as marines for codex purposes

that's why they're counted as the tenth of ten companies as laid down by the Codex Astartes

try and keep up

>>50331840
it's probably also prevented because, as with the Astral Claws, eventually someone's going to figure out that you've got too many marines, like way, way too many

the fact that they weren't in that particular case discovered until fighting broke out isn't any guarantee that a fleet-based or more conventional Chapter wouldn't be discovered doing the same thing - the AC were spread out over an entire sector, so much so that it's unlikely even their allies could keep a reliable count

>>50331758
>not dying for the big daddy Emprah.

The Ultramarines are asking to get blammed every day they listen to that blue fuck.

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>>50331642
FOR THE IRON CAGE!

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>>50332712
Well the only way you could maintain legion strength nowadays is Pertuabo's geneseed. Which was hands down the most compatible of the bunch.

>there are designated drivers/pilots waiting for the guys to pick a ride
What are the reserve companies?

>>50332671
Sons of Medusa
Brazen Bulls
Sons of Gorgon
Iron Lords
Steel Confessors
Emprah's Shadows

>>50331540
nice figs

>>50332784
>couldn't conquer the most worlds for Emps
>couldn't be the best tactician
>couldn't be the best strategist
>couldn't defeat the Lion in three separate duels
>couldn't stop Lion from driving his sword thru Leman's primary heart
Thanks, Leman!

>>50332947
He's saying the Ultramarines have gone over the 1000 marine limit, not that they're undermanned.

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>>50331222
>Why are the Ultramarines disobeying the Codex Astartes?
They're not. 1000 is not a hard limit.

>>50338147
>Codex Astartes Addendum 77.348 B.12 A44
>"In light of recent events, it seems prudent to dismantle the Legions and break them down into smaller, more agile and more easily managed forces. One thousand brothers appears to be a good number to aspire to and while it can be exceeded under circumstances, going far beyond that number is both impractical and dangerous."
>Codex Astartes Addendum 77.348 B.12 A45
>"Don't be a faggot about it, Sigismund."

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>>50331222
>reee ultras have too many marines

They spend their free time debating, their chapter is a the byword for "theoretical vs practical", and Bobby G wrote the book in the first place.

No shit they'd lawyer-ball the Codex into maximum heretical efficiency if need be.

also
>This is why the Emperor doesn't talk to us anymore tier: even starting the argument with support staff when they didn't "count" in the first place

>Souls eternally damned to the warp tier: ctrl-f no "Ultramarines Honor Company" found

I'm disappointed nu-/tg/

>>50341008
>>Souls eternally damned to the warp tier: ctrl-f no "Ultramarines Honor Company" found
>I'm disappointed nu-/tg/
Nu-/tg/ gets their fluff from Black Library. So they don't know 40k fluff anymore.

>>50331222

You're also disregarding all the techmarines, all the librarians, the honor guard, and all the tank crew.

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>>50332815
>the most based colour scheme in 40k
Close, but that's not Flesh Tearers. The "striped" legs on those guys aren't great IMO.

>>50331840
If only Dreadnoughts weren't shit.

>>50331222
I think you are confusing actual space marines with space marines as defined by the codex astartes.