40k just ends with Necrons vs Tyranids doesn't it? All sentient

>>50261861
Robin Cruddace nerfs Tyranids once again. A single gaunt is now 1500 points, BS1, WS1, W1, I1, S1, A1, Sv-. Tyranid warriors 4000 point superheavies, BS2, WS2, W2, I2, A2, Sv6+, Hive Tyrants are 100,000 points, BS3, WS3, W3, I3, A3.

Everything can kill tyranids now, even a guardsman in CC.

Necrons win.

But can (or would) Tyranids and Necrons do shit to each other?

>>50261861
40k ends when people stop buying GW's bullshit not a second before, and don't you dare think they wont pull a rabbit out of their ass to add to the clusterfuck and compete with the Necrons and Tyranids if they think someone will buy it .

>>50261934
It's heavily skewed against the Nids there.

>cant evolve proof against gauss weaponry
>tomb worlds are lifeless already
>necron self-repair BS and metal bodies are resistant to biological weapons

I doubt a full necron force could drive a hive fleet from a planet. But pound for pound necrons would inflict hideous damage while robbing the nids of dead to reclaim. A running battle would drain the hive of resources

>>50261958
I think more importantly, the Nids wouldn't have any reason to attack the Necrons, would the Necrons have any reason to fight the Nids though?

Necrons can convert Tyranids into new Necrons

Tyranids cannot convert Necrons into new Tyranids

Tyranids lose. Next.

>>50261977
>would the Necrons have any reason to fight the Nids though?

If you haven't read the necron codex lore, then you have no business being here.

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Silent king returning and uniting all necrons WHEN?
MAKE THE DYNASTIES GREAT AGAIN!

>>50261861
>but Chaos can't do shit to Tyranids and Necrons.
Why the hell not?

>>50262011

No presence in the warp is my guess?

>>50262011
>Nids will eat even a bloodthirster
>necron pylons. Make the matereum great again

>>50262018
Tyranids can be spotted by the loud buzz they make in the warp, what Imperial psycher call "a shadow across the warp."

Necrons though don't have that.

>>50262018
If humanity is dead then most of the galaxy is now like the Eye of Terror. Neither Crons nor Nids could survive in that for long if Chaos wished it.

>>50262018
Chaos wrecks the Tyranids and Necrons regardless.

Also is going to destroy all of reality. Necrons and Tyranids inside the galaxy will dissolve into nothing when the walls of reality finally break.

>>50262021
>a bloodthirster
Demons have no biomass.

>necron pylons
Necrons anti-warp tech have wildly different levels of success in the fluff. It could just be that the tech that made the cadian pylons for example is lost to time.

>>50262021
>>Nids will eat even a bloodthirster

Tyranids who eat daemon flesh, die.
Also Tyranids avoid eating tainted flesh.

>Necron Pylons

The Newcron have no plan to seal the warp or combat the Warp. This was solely Oldcron lore.

Newcron anti-warp tech has been overcome before because they are fragile devices and require a ton of energy to use.

The Cadian Pylons present a glaring plothole in the fluff. If they are anti-warp, then how come daemons can manifest on Cadia and sorcery both Imperial and chaotic can be used with no issue?

Going by what we know about Necron null tech :

1-They make it really difficult for daemons to manifest and for psykers to use their abilities, if not shutting them down completely
2-They obscure the Golden Light of Terra
3-They cripple warp engines, making it impossible to warp travel
Among other things.

The Cadian pylons don't show any of this.

>>50262101
>If they are anti-warp
They're not anti-warp they're pro-reality. It was the Oldcron C'tans way of fighting back. Blanks were a secondary thing for the pariahs.

>>50262008
make Tyranids build a wall around the Galaxy

>>50262175
There are similar necron structures to the pylons in the Ghoul Stars. They are said to be anathema to daemons. They suck warp energy out of anything nearby.

The greater daemon who went there couldn't manifest on the planet that had them so he possessed a cultists to circumvent this.

>>50261861
>Chaos can't do shit to Tyranids and Necrons.

But it can.
It can dissolve reality, destroying time and space and therefore Necrons and Tyranids.

>>50262032

If humanity is dead chaos is also dead. More or less.

Chaos gains power from the thoughts of sentient beings. Thanks to the xenocide thing, humanity is the bulk of sentient beings in the galaxy. The next biggest race are the Tau and they're barely present in the warp.

Chaos as a whole is lot like Tzeentch, yknow, how he has to keep scheming constantly because thats his nature but if he ever actually won he'd be fucked because he wouldnt need to scheme anymore.

Chaos has to continually attempt to corrupt and destroy humanity. But if they ever won - really won - the galaxy would be the eye of terror for like a week before it all collapsed in on itself.

>>50263086
Chaos would survive as it is beyond time.

>>50263102

>Chaos would survive as it is beyond time.

Kay?

That's a weird way of putting it. Can i assume you're also this guy: >>50263038? With some really weird fixation on the ultimate powers of 'space und time'?

If Chaos is so totally beyond time how are chaos gods born in a very clear timeline? We know when Slaanesh was born. What is born, can die. If it has a beginning, it has an end.

And i did specify chaos is dead 'more or less'. Yes, chaos itself IS going to 'survive'. As long as there is even a fraction of thought in the galaxy, there's going to be something left of chaos. And no matter how bad it gets, something will probably be left. But there's not going to be a swarming eye of terror when 99.9999% of the creature giving them their power are dead.

If the universe gets to the point where Necrons and the Hivefleets are the only real players anymore, Chaos is essentially out of the game too. At best it gets to wait a couple of billion years for some corruptible new species to rise up. And then probably some new chaos gods spawn, since the old ones have probably starved to death.

>>50261861
I just want the Old Ones to return.

space lizards when?

>>50263180
>That's a weird way of putting it.

Not really. The rulebook out and out says that Chaos will destroy all space and time and that in the end the only thing remaining will be Chaos.

>If Chaos is so totally beyond time how are chaos gods born in a very clear timeline?

They're not.
In the example of Slaanesh the effect of the birth ruptured into physical space at that time, but Slaanesh had always existed.

>Yes, chaos itself IS going to 'survive'. As long as there is even a fraction of thought in the galaxy

They'll be around whether the galaxy is or is not. There are other galaxies and other universes. Chaos is a multiversal threat.

>Necrons notice Tyranids winning
>decide to hit the snooze button on reawakening
>Tyranids ignore tomb worlds because robots
>old man robots awake to a dead galaxy to convert into robot retirement homes
>also the warp finally fucking settles down

>>50263250
I seriously doubt that, anon. If chaos hasn't been able to do that with an entire galaxy's worth of humans feeding it with psychic energy, then it's not going to happen after humanity has been decimated by tyranid/necron/ork invasions. It's okay to have headcanon but you shouldn't pass it as canon truth.

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>>50261861
>All sentient and mortal races succumb to Chaos, Orks, entropy
look at fuckin' OP the Chaos Marine here.

>>50261958
'nid accid eats Necrons just fine.
With the bonus of not keeping anything behind for regeneration.

>>50263309
>I seriously doubt that, anon.

To be frank I do not care about your opinion.
The canon is what I care about and Chaos is said to be capable of destroying the galaxy and everyone in it and surviving that destruction.

>>50262036
'Nids ate several galaxies already. The hive mind does not seem to care much about chaos.

>>50263371
Did Chaos tell you that? You know they lie, right?

>BLAM

>>50263371
Chaosfags, ladies and gentleman.

>>50263384
>The hive mind does not seem to care much about chaos.

The Tyranids avoid Warpstorms like the plague. It does care.

>>50263384
>'Nids ate several galaxies already.

That's your headcanon and I guess you'll stick to it, but GW certainly haven't been giving us that much detail.

>>50263395
GW says so.

>>50263402
Not even a Chaosfag. I'm just telling you what canon says.
Denying this is like denying Ultramarines are blue.

>>50263395
Not him.

The lore says that. In the main rulebooks since 3th ED.

>>50263402
A butthurt faggot everyone. Gets triggered at being told the fluff.

>>50263411
>but GW certainly haven't been giving us that much detail.

It did, you moron. The 5th ED main rulebook says that the Tyranids left behind 12 dead galaxies.

>>50263371
Fucking chaosfags. You make necronfags look reasonable.

>>50263371
I'm just saying you shouldn't spread your headcanon as the official canon, especially when it fails even basic logic, is all.

>>50263459
It's not "headcanon" it's canon.

>>50263469
In your head.

>>50263459
Again, not him. I can confirm what he said is in every main rulebook since 3th ED. One of these days I make a completion of them all. So where do you get off saying it's headcanon?

>>50263474
No, in fluff rulebooks.

>>50263479
>>50263483
Quotes? Who's the narrator when they say Chaos will win and is immortal?

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>>50263504
Omniscient Narrator. Picture related. This quote is in EVERY main rulebook since 3th ED. Now apologize.

>>50263534

Yeah. For about fifteen minutes. After which point, given that all humans will be dead, Chaos will lapse back into dormancy and be effectively dead until some other species comes along.

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>>50263371
Not him but you are a fucking moron

>>50263534
Interesting. This seems to imply that Chaos needs living humans as gateway or fuel to expand the Warp. In the scenario we're discussing, there are no more humans left only Tyranids and Necrons. So what then? Isn't Chaos barred from physical space?

>>50263553
Nice headcanon there but that isn't what the fluff says.

>>50263553
Nice "headcanon" friend.

>>50263534
That's obviously a fluff piece not a factual statement about the setting. I think you'd find this thread more to your liking >>>50246702

>>50263577
Not him but you need fuel to run a car

>>50263560
Why?
Because I read?

>>50263534
>Now apologize.
Sure. Want me to give head to your cannon too?

>>50263565
No, that's not the scenario we are discussing. Look at OP. He implies that only Necrons and Tyranids will survive to duck it out. This won't happen as Chaos is the closet faction to its victory and the Necrons and Tyranids are aiding Chaos by weakening the Imperium.

In fact, the Leviathan is going straight to Terra. If somehow the Hive Fleet takes out Terra, then Chaos will flood the galaxy.

>>50263584
Chaos is not a car.
It is a timeless force.

>>50263599
Entropy means nothing is timeless.

>>50263599
A timeless force that needs sentient beings as fuel and as an in into the galaxy.

>>50263583
It's a statement about the setting. I like how you trying to weasel pathetically out being wrong.

>>50263593
And this guys denial is delicious.

>>50263599
But are the Chaos Gods? The Warp will always exist, I think that is pretty clear, but Chaos as a faction, with the Ruinous Powers and Daemons may not.

>>50263599
Not true. Time passes in the warp too, albeit differently.

>>50263607
Chaos is because it is beyond the physical universe.

>>50263609
>A timeless force that needs sentient beings as fuel

Wrong analogy. It needs them as gateways.

>>50263621
>But are the Chaos Gods?

Yes. As the warp is without time and Chaos is native to the warp they are also without time.

>>50263609
Everything born in the Warp is timeless and immortal. Source is the 2nd/3ED Eldar codex. Even if real space is destroyed, Chaos will persist.

>>50263607
Warp doesn't answer to time or space.

>>50263614
It's a movie trailer narrator drumming up interest, not a factual statement. Theres simply nothing indicating that this is GW's take on the canon. It's just hype.

>>50263569
>>50263577

Chaos derives its powers from the minds of mortals. That is at the very core of that faction.

If Chaos wins - truly wins - all mortals are dead.

They get the eye of terror shit. They get the monstrous nightmare reality. All the worst stuff the Empire fears happens, will happen. But eventually, everything is still dead.

So if Chaos wins, Chaos loses.

And this even matches up with Chaos' own damn theme of being its own worst enemy.

Find me the logical problem with this, and describe it to me in a way that can't be described as 'Chaos-Fag Says Nuh-Uh!'

>>50263645
>It's a movie trailer narrator drumming up interest, not a factual statement.

Prove it.

>Theres simply nothing indicating that this is GW's take on the canon.

Besides the fact that they wrote it and included it across several editions, as well as outright stating that Chaos is the greatest threat.

>>50263645
Nope, it's from the main rulebook in the section explaining the Emperor and his ties to humanity's psychic evolution which will be taken over by Chaos if he fails or dies.

This a fluff statement about the setting, like it or not.

>>50263656
Again, with the headcanon and opinion vs fluff.

By the way, with time destroyed, Chaos will spend an eternity in a limbo with trillion upon trillions of souls of the galaxy for them to torment ceaselessly. Everything being dead won't matter a single bit when time is frozen at the peak of Chaos's power.

>>50263656
>Chaos derives its powers from the minds of mortals.

And a common theme through cultures across the world is that the mind transcends the physical. Chaos transcends the physical too, being beings of pure psychic energy.

>So if Chaos wins, Chaos loses.

Nope. Chaos can exist without mortals. Mortals minds facilitated their creation but once they existed they will always exist.

>>50263636
So... If the Chaos Gods are immortal and timeless (which is weird, since wasn't it noted their powers sometimes waxed and waned in accordance to how mortal races are doing?) and can't die, they still have an issue with getting into realspace. Sure, the Eye of Terror can expand but could it expand beyond the galaxy into the void between galaxies with no sentient life there? Hive Fleets would survive there.
Necron Tomb Worlds could survive, but only if they bring ALL of the bullshit tech Necrons are said to have and play it fast and loose with the C'tan shards. That could set up the situation OP portrays as without any emotions left, the mega Eye of Terror stops expanding and maybe even shrinks enough for Nid v Necron stuff.

>>50263661
Putting a dramatic quote at the very beginning of a work is basic literary device, what's there left to prove.
>>50263666
That's your interpretation of a fluff piece, I don't agree, and I'm not going to hold it relevant to the discussion at hand.

Anyway, I think necrons are going to be the winners in the long run. They can go dormant while tyranid/ork hordes decimate humanity, which starves the chaos of psychic energy and eventually stills the warp. Then they can come out and mop up whatever remains if they feel like it or not.

>>50263708
OK, but how do beings like Khorne and the other Chaos Gods still exist? Things never change, which sucks for Mr. Just as Planned, Nurgle has no more Plaguebearer supplies and no great source of despair, Slaanesh loses their favorite topping of Eldar souls and eventually excess becomes too commonplace while Daemons, being psychic beings, have no blood and skulls for Khorne.

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>>50261861
Necrons retreat to their basement universes and become cosmic-timescale NEETS, nids go towards those galaxies where orks can be found.

Chaos starts to die of sheer boredom and reset the universe to 41.900. Again.

>>50263730
>That's your interpretation of a fluff piece, I don't agree, and I'm not going to hold it relevant to the discussion at hand.

No, it's not. I provided actual fluff from the rulebooks, You spouted opinions and provided nothing. Clearly your part is lacking in the discussion.

>>50263410
Which is just common sense really. Hive Fleets, between invasions, can easily starve due to lack of biomass and move really slowly. A Hive Fleet could spend years trapped in a Warp Storm and lose so much Biomass they aren't a problem.
Really, I feel like compared to most other faction leaders/gods, the Hive Mind maybe the most sensible.

>>50263778
To be frank I do not care.

>>50263720
>Hive Fleets would survive there.

Sure, but what we're discussing is the galaxy.

>That could set up the situation OP portrays as without any emotions left, the mega Eye of Terror stops expanding and maybe even shrinks

Emotions are irrelevant at that stage. Space and time and matter has already been destroyed in the galaxy.

>>50263730
>Putting a dramatic quote at the very beginning of a work is basic literary device

It's not at the beginning.

>starves the chaos of psychic energy and eventually stills the warp.

That's not how it works.

>>50263739
>OK, but how do beings like Khorne and the other Chaos Gods still exist?

Because they exist beyond the physical universe. Space and time are destroyed but they're beyond all that.

When all physical universes are destroyed the Chaos Gods will continue to fight each other.

>>50263784
>trapped in a Warp Storm

Where it can be attacked by daemons or mutated by Chaos energy. Daemons given the chance will attack Tyranids. They have done so with glee in real space even, manifesting inside hive ships.

The problem here is that when Abaddon breaks down Cadia, the Eye of Terror will grow and grow until it covers all the galaxy.

>>50263811
You mean you conceded your defeat. Now let the informed talk about the fluff in peace without false accusations and tantrums.

Why do faggots always get triggered by Chaos fluff?
I can't count how many times I've seen Carnac wheel out the no space no time only Chaos fluff, yet every time some Tyranid/Necron/Ork faggot ends up spitting blood.

>>50263852
They cannot reconcile the fact that their factions are just side-show distractions for the main event.

>>50263818
Not that guy, but I think the whole attacked/have to be killed off so as to not affect the Hive Fleet thing is what he menat when he mentioned losing biomass.
What do daemons attack without glee? Like, seriously, daemons plunge in battle dick first, bar some Greater Daemons.
If the Eye of Terror covers the galaxy, then the Fleets outside the galaxy just head somewhere else, though will have to cannibalise each other to survive.

>>50263811
>>50263828
now this is autism
t. /int/

>tfw every chaosfag forgets that necrons don't follow the rules of neither space nor time
>tfw Orikan can just solo chaos in every timeline

>>50262036
Chaos can't even hurt Necrons.

>>50264501
Actually, Chaos has hurt the Necrons many and times.

>>50264448
The Warp screws Orikan predictions. Orikan meddling with time to fix it tends to cause greater disasters.

>>50264448
>apparently, he was able to predict the Fall of the Eldar, Horus Heresy, and the coming of the Tyranids sixty million years in advance
This guy must be Tzeentch favorite being in the entire galaxy right?
t. new to warhammer 40k lore

>>50264585
yeah he's some b.s.

>>50264578
source on that? I don't think that's true

>>50264920
Source on what?

Orikan predictions being screwed by the Warp? His codex entries in 5th Ed and 7th Ed.

Chaos screwing over Necrons? Daemon codex 6th ED and Necron codex 7th ED.

>>50264920
>source on that?

Codex Necrons.

>>50261958
>It's heavily skewed against the Nids there.
Through the power of fanboyism, anything is possible.

>>50263370
See?

Proceeding with some speculative fanboyisms we can expect Black Library shitfags to pull out their asses:

>cant evolve proof against gauss weaponry
Of course they can, don't be stupid.
It's evolution, we don't have to explain shit.

>tomb worlds are lifeless already
Tyranids have been eating metal for at least two codices.

>necron self-repair BS and metal bodies are resistant to biological weapons
Metal-eating acid, bio-plasma, whatever else you want.

>>50261958
According to the Necron codex, there are millions of tomb worlds. Yes, many times as many tomb worlds as there are Imperial worlds. That makes a lot of necrons.

>>50263086
>The next biggest race are the Tau
Eldar and Orks would like a word with you.

>>50261861
>implying Tyranids are not the Old Ones desperate plan to Make Life Great Again
>they absorb and thus save every lifeform
>it's possible that they have a mechanism to re-create life
>Chaos is about emotions and thought
>if life returns, Chaos will return, too

>>50265067
>>50263086
And the Q'Orl would like a word with both of you.

>>50261938
you seem butthurt

>>50265067
>Tyranids have been eating metal for at least two codices.

Tyranids avoid dead worlds. They do not invade worlds for rocks. They want biomass.

Also according to "Words of the Silent King", Tyranids aren't interested in the Necrons and will only attack them if attacked or provoked. Also states that the Necrons are not fodder for the Hive fleets.

>It's evolution, we don't have to explain shit.

Proof it.

Necrons were the first foes encountered by the Tyranids. Despite of this, no evolutions came up to counter their weapons.

>Through the power of fanboyism, anything is possible.

It ain't fanboyism. Necrons hard counter the Tyranids.

Necrons control space and can blow up starts at will using their many superweapons.

Gauss and energy weapons of the Necrons leave no biomass behind. Necrons are not edible for the Tyranids, even worser still that eating living metal proved to be lethal in one case when the kroot who ate it got infected by a nanoscarab plague.

Also the most important part, attrition. The Tyranids suck at attrition vs enemies that can recycle their dead. The Necron don't just recycle their dead, they can convert dead Tyranids to new Necrons and warmachines while the Tyranids won't be able to do the same with their dead and destroyed Necrons.

>>50261861
If everything succumbs to orks why arent orks included in your ending? They are the most numerous race with dominance over the warp whenever gork and mork care enough to exert it.

Orks vs Nids is the end game.

>>50261982
Head cannon.

>>50265193
>Tyranids avoid dead worlds. They do not invade worlds for rocks. They want biomass.

Dead worlds refers to a world stripped down to its bedrock more or less, there are on mineral resources of note left.

The nids can and do eat all types of metal, necrons are not exempt.

>>50261861
I always thought it'd be an eternal three-way fight between Orks, Necrons and Tyranids, myself.
>Orks beat Necrons
>Necrons beat Tyranids
>Tyranids beat Orks

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>>50265174
Well considering they dont outnumber the orks they arent getting one.

>>50265425
>>Orks beat Necrons

What do you base this on?

>>50265345
Canoptek Scarabs, you pleb.

>>50265378
Dead worlds refer to worlds with zero biomass which the Tyranids ignored. For example, the tomb world in Shield of Baal or Solemance.

The Tyranids ignored the Shield of Baal tomb until ships loads of prisoners decided to crash land on the barren tomb world and die on it. Solemance was also barren. The Tyranids choose to ignore it and its Necrons and move on.

>>50265441
Also it's outright stated by guys who have been fighting the Tyranids longer than any that the Necrons are not fodder for the fleets.

>>50265437
Imhotek getting his ass beaten by Orks repeatedly, mainly.

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>>50265425
This is the correct answer.

Except cannon clearly shows nids cant take orks reliably, Ghazzy is literaly farming Octarius for harder ork troops now.

As orks can scale up the same as the nids do and outscale the necron+ dont sweat Gauss weapons.

Also orks dont need a win to recycle biomass / replenish numbers like the nids do.

Orks are the overall winners of 40k if things continue as they are.

>>50265437
Orks' supernatural ability to loot any tech they can get their hands on probably

>>50265437
Necrons have trouble with orks numbers and the chaos their style of war brings.

The Krork were made to fight the Necrontyr after all.

>>50265457
Imotekh is one general.

>>50265466
Orks have tried to loot Necron tech in the past and all they got was their planet exploded.

>>50265481
Necrons have trouble with orks numbers and the chaos their style of war brings.

They do not as a general rule. Only Imotekh is said to be lacking against Orks of all the Necrons we know.

>The Krork were made to fight the Necrontyr after all.

They proved ineffective.

>>50265505
Naw there are lots of ork stories of them taking necrons on effectively.

That boss who has the steel skull from a lord for instance.

Sorry about hurting your necron fan wark but in cannon orks win, they can take any other race in an all out war and Gork and Mork are the dominate force in the warp. They get stronger through losses but unlike the nids its an automated process that takes no win condition / time to feed on biomass.

The orks beat the necron handily and have throughout cannon.

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>>50265345
>cannon

>>50265457
Imotekh first war was against an Ork Waagh!. He crushed them.

Also the fluff says because Imotekh hates fighting Orks, he assigned that duty to Zahndrekh. Zahndrekh excels at fighting Orks.

>>50265441
>Dead worlds refer to worlds with zero biomass which the Tyranids ignored.

Wrong the nids strip far more than biomass from a planet if you knew the basic nid lore youd know that.

>>50265544
>Naw there are lots of ork stories of them taking necrons on effectively.

I doubt that.
But it's not a question of whether Orks can some times win against Necrons, but whether Orks are an effective counter.

Orks have displayed no such skill.

>they can take any other race in an all out war

The Beast failed against the Imperium even.

>Gork and Mork are the dominate force in the warp.

Actually the Chaos Gods are said to be the most powerful in the warp.

>The orks beat the necron handily and have throughout cannon.

Not true, Orks are minor players to the Necrons in the war in heaven.

>>50265544
>Naw there are lots of ork stories of them taking necrons on effectively.

I don't think so. Try to name some.

>>50265595
>Zahndrekh

You mean the guy without any notable wars vs the orks, all it says is he sees them as well as others as still combatants in the wars of succession.

>>50265605
>Orks have displayed no such skill.

By completely crushing the necrons best general to the point he actively avoids them.

There is so much here you got wrong its staggering to the mind, how have you got headcannon so mixed up with cannon is beyond me.

>>50265645
>By completely crushing the necrons best general to the point he actively avoids them.

They can only do that due to Imotekhs unique way of thinking.
The other Necrons generals do not have his disadvantage in this regard.

>There is so much here you got wrong

Like what?
The Beast's WAAAGH got defeated by a weakened Imperium, see the Beast Arises series.
The Chaos Gods are the most powerful beings in the warp, see the rulebook.
Orks were minor players in the War in Heaven, see the Necron Codex which talks extensively about the Eldar and the Old Ones but doesn't even bother to mention the Krork.

>>50265645
Imotekh defeated an Ork Waaagh!, though.

And other Necron Lords dont have his problem.


>>50265631
Actually, he has notable wars against the orks in the fluff. There is a WD fluff article that features him crushing an Ork invasion.

I can link post it if you want if you admit you wrong and say sorry.

>>50265605
Problem is the necrons are like the cool kid who actively avoids doing anything so people will think hes more proficient in general than he really is.

>Lost the war in heaven to the Eldar / Krork

>Have no feats in current cannon worth a damn expect vague what ifs of "When all my buddies wake up were gunna kick some ass youll see, well if they arent eaten, looted, or degraded beyond usefulness first."

Yah man Necrons got nothing, and will continue to have nothing.

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>>50265690
Naw because youre ignoring the Waaghs after he lost to.

Gork and Mork are stated in cannon to be the top dogs in the warp in terms of power.

Youre just homing in on the one or two things you have to go off of while ignoring or getting wrong everything that contradicts you.

There are more fluff stories of orks beating the hell out of necrons? If i link them will you say youre sorry?

>>50265706
>>Lost the war in heaven to the Eldar

FTFY. Krork not even mentioned.

>>Have no feats in current cannon worth a damn

Maybe you should read the Necron Codex or Shield of Baal. The Necrons have some impressive feats.

>>50265737
>Naw because youre ignoring the Waaghs after he lost to.

Imotkh has a problem with Orks, but other Necron generals do not.

>Gork and Mork are stated in cannon to be the top dogs in the warp in terms of power.

Not true, Chaos is in the rulebook.
Would you like a quote?

>>50265765
Would you like the qoute about the Chaos gods giving Gork and Mork a wide berth in the warp?

Being snarky only works if you know the cannon son.

>>50265737
>Naw because youre ignoring the Waaghs after he lost to.

Post them.

>There are more fluff stories of orks beating the hell out of necrons?

Post them. I will count them.

>>50265803
You can give me any quote you like, but if it does not say that Gork and Mork are the most powerful beings in the warp mine will trump yours.

>>50261861

I DON'T WANT THESE NAZI FROGS ON MY /TG/ THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PLACE OF IMAGINATION WHERE OUR SOULS CAN HEAL

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>>50265815

Gutrak Deathhead, The war in heaven (Which clearly states the necron went into hiding to keep away from the ass beating the Eldar and Orks were looking to bring cry all you want but the Necron were beaten at their best) and hell lets take all the whoopings

/tg/ knows you got tons of fluff wrong, thats all that matters.

There is a finite number of Necrons in the galaxy. The number of Orks that will live, fight, and die is infinite. The necrons are some supremely powerful empire without failings from degradation to the flayer curse theyre just as fucked as every other faction aside from Chaos, Nids, and Orks.

At least youll probably get to compete with Eldar for being the last race wiped out.


Orks win but by all means keep picking and choosing and ignoring cannon to pretend youre silly necron dynasties have a chance when they cant even stop thier own degradation.

The necrons could never, ever truly beat orks... Orks could eventually truly wipe out necrons thats cannon and mathematical fact.
Also your great ork specialist Immotekh (Which he is said to be in fluff no matter how much you try to pass it off to other lords to save face.) cant even take them on

"Thus does the Stormlord hate Orks above all the lesser races of the galaxy for, no matter how hard he tries, he rarely wins a lasting victory over the rabblesome Greenskins. Yet lasting victories against the Orks there must be, for Imotekh’s goal is nothing less to wipe them from the face of the galaxy. The Stormlord is unshakeable in his belief that only when the galaxy is washed clean with the blood of inferior beings will Necron dominance begin anew."

Now go read some fluff kid.

>>50265823
Page 14 of the 7th ed ork codex you mouth breather. Also the stuff on them in the 4th ed ork codex.

Youll of course use the wording to pretend that G&M shrugging off the blows of other gods and laughing doesnt mean anything.

If youre going to get into a fluff debate you should at least know the codex fluff there is no reason for you to not know at least basic codex fluff, thats why people in the thread arent taking you seriously.

>>50266085
>The war in heaven (Which clearly states the necron went into hiding to keep away from the ass beating the Eldar and Orks were looking to bring

Just the Eldar. The Orks were not mentioned.

>There is a finite number of Necrons in the galaxy. The number of Orks that will live, fight, and die is infinite.

Theoretically infinite. But they can be exterminated, especially by a race as advanced as Necrons.

>Also your great ork specialist Immotekh (Which he is said to be in fluff no matter how much you try to pass it off to other lords to save face.)

Imotekh is not said to be an Ork specialist, quite the opposite. Imotekh is said to be bad at fighting Orks.
The other Necron general are not said to be.

>>50266156
>Youll of course use the wording to pretend that G&M shrugging off the blows of other gods and laughing doesnt mean anything.

It's true, it doesn't mean anything in this context. Chaos Gods are blanket stated to be the most powerful, while the fluff you pointed at does not even mention the Chaos Gods specifically.

>>50266085
>Gutrak Deathhead

That's one.

And he beat up the vanguard of an emerging necron force before he left the planet. The Necrons on the planet are still in the process of awakening.

>The war in heaven (Which clearly states the necron went into hiding to keep away from the ass beating the Eldar and Orks were looking to bring cry all you want but the Necron were beaten at their best)

Eldar won the war. The Ork weren't mentioned.

So if I am generous that leaves you with one. I can name 3 Necron defeating the Otks off the top of my heead. Battle Ankhbyr, Imotekh wiping out a Ork waaagh!, and Atun purging Orks from their dynasty.

You lost this one.

>There is a finite number of Necrons in the galaxy.

Actually, that's to the Cenoptek Scarabs, there are infinite number of Necron warmachines and constructs. Heck, even false Necrons.

>flayer curse

The Flayed Curse can be contained and quarantined. The Damnos dynasty dudes invented software that protects them from it. They even had the Flayer Lord sleep in their vaults since his threat wasn't that bad.

>At least youll probably get to compete with Eldar for being the last race wiped out.

Necrons are resurging.

>Orks win but by all means keep picking and choosing and ignoring cannon to pretend youre silly necron dynasties have a chance when they cant even stop thier own degradation.

Orks always lose though. Even when all their race united under the Beast, they lost.

>he necrons could never, ever truly beat orks.

The Necrons won the War in Heaven, by destroying the Old Ones. Orks, Eldar, and whatever were powerless to stop them. Heck, the Necrons even enslaved Orks.

>Also your great ork specialist Immotekh (Which he is said to be in fluff no matter how much you try to pass it off to other lords to save face.) cant even take them on

Except he took them on and defeated a Waagh! and expanded his empire. Now he had lords to do it for him. Lord who are experts at killing off the Orks.

Chaos won't lose to nids because they can fuck off to other galaxies just like nids are doing right?

>>50266156
>says basic fluff, can't even read.

It doesn't say they are the strongest in the Warp. A massive fail on your part.

And by the way, there are plenty of gods in the warp other than the Chaos Gods. Like Antwyr, Malice, Ans'l, Mo'rcck and Phraz-Etar.

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>>50263429
they are cobalt blue
your whole life is full of filthy chaos filled lies

>>50263818
isn't the shadow of the warp supposed to screw, well, the warp ?
psyker can't psyke, ship can't into immaterium, etc etc

imagine being the kind of person that argues 40k fluff on the internet for hours at a time.

>>50266949
Daemons don't give a fuck. And once you are in the Warp, nothing can save you.

>>50266967
the shadow of the warp precisely fuck over the warp
and our favorite grey knight would like to differ

>>50266429
>doesn't say
Yes it says they are the strongest in the warp many times.

>Necrons are resurging.

Waking up =/= resurgence theyre still dying slowly period.

>>50267472
>Yes it says they are the strongest in the warp many times.

No, it doesn't. They were never said to be the strongest anything. Nowhere does it say that they are dying.

>resurgence

Resurging as in waking up and reconquering their empire.

>>50267386
Daemons have manifested inside hive fleets and have attacked Tyranids before. The Shadow does little hindrance to them.

Guys stick to the fluff.

>>50266305
>Eldar won the war. The Ork weren't mentioned.

Wrong

>The Necrons on the planet are still in the process of awakening.

Wrong

>Actually, that's to the Cenoptek Scarabs, there are infinite number of Necron warmachines and constructs. Heck, even false Necrons.

Cemoptek =/= true necrons so wrong again.

>The Flayed Curse can be contained and quarantined.

The undying were all wiped out by the ulra smurfs, wrong again.

>The Necrons won the War in Heaven, by destroying the Old Ones. Orks, Eldar, and whatever were powerless to stop them. Heck, the Necrons even enslaved Orks.

Clearly stated they went into hiding to survive the Eldar / Orks and the last reminates of the old ones.

Wrong again.


Youre literally wrong more than youre right, no wonder no anons bother to reply to youre bullshit.

All you have is seumantics to argue at best, the rest of the time youre getting fluff completely wrong and relying on placing the burden of proff on anons who cant be bothered to because youre so off on the fluff you think you know its not worth the effort.

>>50267566
>Wrong

Proof it.

>Wrong

Proofs it.

>Cemoptek =/= true necrons so wrong again.

Irrelevant. You said Necron are not infinite. They are. They can produce as much Cenoptek warmachines and false Necrons as they want. They will never run out of forces.

The Orks spores require somewhat fertile soil to spawn Orks. Necrons can create new Necron forms and cenopteks literally out of new air. So in a battle of numbers and attrition, the Necrons will win eventually.

>The undying were all wiped out by the ulra smurfs, wrong again.

Only the Lord Undying and the Flayer Lord are confirmed dead.

The Cryptek and other Lords are unaccounted for. They might have used the Quantum network or Dolmen to escaped.

>Clearly stated they went into hiding to survive the Eldar

It only says Eldar.

I want you to post where they driven away and were hiding from Orks. I dare you.

And cease your trolling. You are embarrassing yourself. When you troll you should have some ammunition.

>>50267556
Yes it does find one instance of another warp entity or god even threatening Gork and Mork?

Now go look up the incidences of things in the warp including other gods staying clear of or getting beat up by Gork and Mork.

Also stated in cannon that a gods power comes from worshippers, whos outnumbering Gork and Mork for worshippers again?

They are clearly the single most powerful entities in the warp.

>Guys stick to the fluff.

Take your own advice.

>>50267702
thin air.

>>50262101
I'm pretty sure it's implied Cadian pylons are disabled, or were never finished

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>>50267566
>>Eldar won the war. The Ork weren't mentioned.
>Wrong

Actually, it's true.
No Orks.

Carnac, is that you ?

>>50267719
>Yes it does find one instance of another warp entity or god even threatening Gork and Mork?

Daemonic hordes of Chaos attacking Gork and Mork from the Ork dex.

>Now go look up the incidences of things in the warp including other gods staying clear of or getting beat up by Gork and Mork.

Zero.

Bad grammar is a giveway by the way.

>Also stated in cannon that a gods power comes from worshippers, whos outnumbering Gork and Mork for worshippers again?

Bullshit. It doesn't say that.

And If you want to play the numbers game, then the fluff says that Khorne feeds on Ork emotions too.

>They are clearly the single most powerful entities in the warp.

No, according to the fluff which says that the Chaos Gods are the mightiest beings in the Warp.

>>50267768
No, It's his cousin.

Somonor!

>>50267702
>Prove it.

And what start reading the fluff for you?

Its proven.

You actually need proof of the Orks being talked about in the war on heaven?

You actually need proof the Ultras later wiped out the undying?

You need proof the canopteks arent true necron? Or that the Necron themselves dont have infinite numbers while they degrade in cannon fluff and now have no way of replacing the necron numbers they lose?

Youre fucking hilarious.

Yah you lost hard but hey keep being deluded, this is obviously important to you.

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>>50261861
If your time scale is long enough then everything ends with the heat death of the universe. All energetic forms will eventually succumb to entropy, unless said factions have ways around that.

>>50267751
Now look in the other codices that have War in Heaven fluff...

Youre picking and choosing and omitting fluff to have a point, that means you have none.

>>50267807
>Now look in the other codices that have War in Heaven fluff...

I have, none of it mentions the Orks driving the Necrons to sleep.
It's all the Eldar.

>>50267788
>gets triggered to the point he starts hysterically trolling

Yes, mister troll. Please tell me which page so I can copypaste it here. Like what that anon did >>50267751. Where does it say Orks?

>>50267772
>Daemonic hordes of Chaos attacking Gork and Mork from the Ork dex.

Read the passage, Gork and Mork are under no threat and are just crushing demonic tides while having a good old time.

7th ed ork dex page 14 last paragraphs of the Gork and Mork fluff blurbs

You dont know even basic fluff or are purposely getting it wrong and are further proving it.

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>>50267784
Thought so.

>>50263636
>Chaos is timeless and isn't effected by entropy because it's not physical
If this was the case Nurgle wouldn't exist.

>>50267824
Im not triggered its just easy to shut someone who doesnt know the fluff down and funny when they pretend to know it and start misquoting it.

Pulling out buzzwords like troll or triggered, well at least i dont have to keep correcting you on codex fluff you should already know.

>>50267822
Yes it fucking does, are you really this crazy that youre trying to make a point by saying the Krork/orks werent in the war on heaven?

what the actual fuck?

>>50267840
>Gork and Mork are under no threat

Just because it says they are having fun, it doesn't mean they are not under threat. After all, Gork and Mork are directing their Ghaz to work faster to before the plans of the Chaos Gods come into fruition.

Shows that they fear the Chaos Gods winning.

>>50267854
Yes he would, as he was birthed from the psychic energies created by despair.

>>50267860
>>50267883
Anon, please. I told you show me the pages. Where the pages, Anon?

You claiming we don't know the fluff and never posted any fluff over here.

>>50267883
>are you really this crazy that youre trying to make a point by saying the Krork/orks werent in the war on heaven?

I'm not saying they weren't in the War in Heaven, I'm saying they weren't relevant.
It was the ELDAR that ultimately pushed the Necrons back, the Krorks were not important enough to warrant a mention.

>>50267916
>I'm saying they weren't relevant.

And youd be wrong but at least youre starting to slowly backtrack and enough anons give enough of a shit to start throwing sourced fluff at you.

Also the Craft World eldar dex (You know the guys that know more about the necron than anyone else?) state that many eldar are starting to see / believe the orks have reached critical mass and no cull could stop them.

6th ed eldar codex.

>>50267910
the 4th ed ork and 3rd ed necron codex you mouth breather.

Sucks to slowly find out youre the one who doesnt know cannon doesnt it?

>>50268005
Ive proven my point, next time review the fluff then post about it, peace.

>>50268005
>the 4th ed ork

doesn't say Gork and Mork are the strongest.

>3rd ed necron

It says the the Korks were created at the last stages of the War in Heaven to fight off the Enslavers. They weren't meant to fight the Necrons.

And it says that the Enslaver genocide of nearly all life in the galaxy is what drove the Oldcrons to sleep to wait until life pops up again.

You fail, anon.

And still no pages.

>>50268005
>And youd be wrong

Nope, again, not even mentioned.

>youre starting to slowly backtrack

Nope, my position has remained solid. I never said Krorks didn't exist at the time of the War in Heaven.

>enough anons give enough of a shit to start throwing sourced fluff at you.

No one has thrown my any sourced fluff.

>Also the Craft World eldar dex (You know the guys that know more about the necron than anyone else?)

They know almost nothing about Necrons, the ones who know most are Aliatoc even then they don't know everything.