When did GW turn into a company that actually cared about

>>50251648
I would wait to see the prices before I say something so bold

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>>50251659
$165 USD

>>50251648
When they got their new CEO.

The difference between him and Kirby is like night and day.

>>50251648
>no super-heavy
>almost without additional weapon
>When did GW turn into a company that actually cared about its customer?
They didn't.

>>50251754

And after knowing only darkness for so long we witness our first sunrise, blinded.

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>>50251754
delet this

>>50251667
>165
That's still almost 10 bucks a mini for most of those boxes.

I'm not impressed, even thought they're good deals for GW that's still pretty price.

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>>50251648

good god the mechanicus battleforce is shit, would it be so hard to include more than one dragoon

the other battleforces look pretty good though, and at 100 bongbucks they're pretty good for savings too

>>50251807

the celestant prime makes up half the cost of the box on his own, these boxes are reasonably priced in a hobby that we're used to price-gorging us

>>50251791
what the hell are you smoking? all the contents in the boxes is like in their normal boxes just cheaper. meaning you get options etc from each box.

>>50251835

> only one dragoon

> mutha fucking electro priests

Yeah. It's shit.

>>50251807
>That's still almost 10 bucks a mini for most of those boxes.
why does dollar/mini your metric for gauging value

>>50252003
Because he is retarded.

>>50251964
>all the contents in the boxes is like in their normal boxes just cheaper.
Yes, but it's still barely useful in actual game.

>>50252003
It's fast and GW is quickly reaching the point where their models (asides from the really big ones) aren't that much better than anyone else.

>>50251918
In all fairness, the fact that most AoS releases are wildly overpriced should be considered when saying that these boxes are "reasonably priced".

Yes, that sigmarine costs half the box, but that doesn't mean that this original price wasn't fucking overblown.

The Tau one I do see as good savings though.

DEldar box when? :(

>>50251667

GOD DAMNIT WHY IS IT ANOTHER IRONJAWZ FORCE

WHAT HAPPENED TO MY GOBLINS AND MY ORGE KINGDOMS

>>50252003
>why does dollar/mini your metric for gauging value
Because its generally a good metric. If minis of an army generally cost X dollars per dude and you are paying about that amount per dude or over that amount for no versatility than you are getting ripped off. Battle boxes are nice but you don't get a choice of what's in the battle box, if you want something else than you are shit out of luck.

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>>50252148
>MY ORGE KINGDOMS
??????

>>50252158
Guess you're a goblin player then.

>>50252148
That's what I feel about Death. They are, by far, the smallest grand alliance as far as model variety goes, and are severely lacking in lore.

>>50252321
Flesh-eater courts have really awesome lore.

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GW is trying now, I'll give them that. I don't think we'll ever go back to the point with fluffy and funny White Dwarf magazines and a company of hobbyists making things for hobbyists, but we'll get a better company that cares about its customers.

The big problem is it may be too little too late. GW has lost a lot of love from former advocates, and a lot of other younger, fresher companies have a much better rep and even better miniatures than they do.

>>50252385
>even better miniatures than they do.
Ehh. GW has both top shelf miniatures and broad reach of the game itself. No one else has that.

>>50252158
some armies use less models, some armies use more models

dollar per mini is a retarded metric

>>50252428
The broad reach of the game is resting on laurels at best - other wargames are becoming increasingly popular.

As for top shelf miniatures, I don't honestly have much experience with the works of other companies, but GW miniatures do not often have the best proportions, and many AoS models were criticized for their stiff poses.

>>50252521
And some of the minis in these are HUGE
Ten dollars for a mini the size of the giant is AMAZING

>>50252342
They do, and it's a shame there's not much more Death has going for it. The Byzantine politics of the "Soulblight" sound neat from what little we're told.

>>50251648
They didn't.
They did, however, get a new CEO that cares about money enough to want to not piss off its customers too badly.

>>50252550
>many AoS models were criticized for their stiff poses
Apparently, that's intentional; it's harder to fuck up putting a model together when there's only one way it can fit.
It's a sacrifice to customising for the sake of new kids actually being able to build the things.

>>50252550
My point is the most of the minis that might be considered up there with GW like Raging Heroes or Kingdom Death either don't or barely have games. Malifaux and Infinity is maybe the closest to having both but they're still small skirmish games neither has really broken out. X-Wing has reach but the focus is not the minis and PP is big but their quality is incredibly uneven. The new Starter box minis from them are hot garbage.

I'm not saying it's Manifest Destiny the GW is the biggest. X-Wing already proved that's true. But GW finally isn't "resting on its laurels", and if they keep going this way they can attract back a lot of old and new customers. I think the "GW is dying" narrative might be finally turning around for real.

>>50252764
That makes a lot of sense.

>>50252550
The other big thing is play groups. It's hard to stay interested in a game if there aren't enough people to play it with. GW, to my knowledge, allows for the most customization so you also get a bunch of hobby people who are just in it for the painting and building

>>50252550
That's just the push fit starter Sigmarines. The Sylvaneth line for example is absolutely gorgeous.

>>50251648
>actually cared about its customer
>>50252839
>finally isn't "resting on its laurels"

>proof still pending
Really, no idea how you came to those conclusions.

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>>50252385

>>50252107
They aren't better than many other companies.
But they're as, or more expensive.

Kharn fucking costs 30 dollars.

>>50251648
>sees date
MARCH 12th!? WHERE THE FUCK WAS I?
>Goddamnit, I unintentionally relied on the way I have been raised to read dates, and have perpetuated the stereotype that Americans are rude and self-centered.
>Same shit happens when I read NZ$ prices on GW's website.

>>50252905
The General's Handbook in response to community "feedback", actual White Dwarf, GW running official tournaments again, supporting their cool side games like Blood Bowl again, emphasis on Start Collecting boxes and other ways to make starting or building a new army more affordable. We'll see how 8th ed. 40k goes, but I'm encouraged.

>>50253054
well to be fair, american dates are the only ones that make sense

>>50251648
who is the commander for the space wolves set?

is that an iron priest?

>>50251667
What the fuck. Last I remember, a Battleforce was $100.

>>50253138
So..returning back something they took away from you..?
Ok, get back when they cut their prices or when they revive WFB spoiler: neither will ever happen

Have their games stopped being the worst designed on the market yet?

>>50253247
No need to be a whiny little bitch in the face of improvements.

WFB is dead and it was the lousy base consisting of people like you who killed it.

>>50253247
thx 4 announcing the spoiler

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>>50253236
The equivalent of the old $100 Battleforce boxes are the "Start Collecting" boxes. They're al little smaller, but also a little cheaper at $85.

My Kingdom for a CSM box.

>>50253247
Yes. I liked 3rd ed. era GW. If they get back to that I'd be thrilled.

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>>50253263
The rules are lagging behind other changes. 8th edition early next year will be the moment of truth.

>>50252385
in which Games Workshop did this happen? Looks like germany

>>50253296
>improvements
I bet you are one of those marinehuggers..
Enjoy your improvements, while I stay fucking away from JeWorkshop.

>>50253489
Is there any info at all on a possible 8th Edition or are you just making stuff up? I genuinely want to know on the off chance that it explains why the CSM codex has been left to rot in a shallow grave.

>>50251807
WH is always going to be expensive, no matter what you do, but this and the starter kit? Im really considering starting playing WH40k for reall and making that skitari army

>>50253138
If they wanted to be 'affordable' plastic 28mm infantry would be £1 a model or less like many other smaller companies with the same or better quality manage.

And there is no excuse for a regular 28mm character model to cost more than £5-6 under any circumstances.

>>50253600
In 1998 when they released their original multi-part kits, they were close to that. 22.99 usd iirc. A lot of those kits sucked, but it was great to be able to create large regiments. Pewter minis were like 3.50 usd each, which was ridiculous.

tl;dr GW has had astronomical prices since at least the early 90s.

>>50253563
Plenty of reliable rumors peg 8th edition as early next year.

>>50253600
>with the same or better quality manage.
Nah. Who is even close to that? Mantic I guess? The quality of their minis leaves a lot to be desired.

>>50253715
Got any sources? I have no idea what qualifies as reliable these days. Seems like places like places like Bell of Lost Souls are just making up shit all the time. Again, not trying to be rude I really want to see whatever's out there.

>>50253424
When gw wasn't shit you could get a leman russ, 30 guards and 3 heavy weapons for 90. Gw is shit and everyone should stop buying their minis until they cut off stupidity and bloat

>>50253782
I remember when a DE Raider was like 20 bucks.

Times change, but GW is overpriced as fug even with these deals.

>>50253503
Mannheim Germany

>>50253782
>what is inflation

>>50253771
I'm not going to chase down all the various rumor locations for you. You can do it easily enough yourself. There's enough chatter that we know it's coming soon, we just don't know the specific timing yet.

>>50251648
The only answer is too late to save fantasy

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clearer shots of the 40k boxes

they all look pretty damn good except for the mechanicus one

>>50253876
>The informations out there and if I've seen it you should have too
No.

>>50253875
A convenient excuse for corporate bootlickers to ignore how wages have barely increased over a 20 year period, while corporate overlords and politicians increase their salaries in a multiplicative manner every single year, raising prices of goods enormously to compensate despite any supply or demand.

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>>50253782
>30 guards
20. And you do get a commissar and an updated multi-kit Russ. But yes, 10 guard and two heavy weapons is better than $5 and a Commissar, but that was a decade or more ago.

>>50253875
>prices triple in a decade due to inflation
>prices never were adjusted according to inflation/different currencies anyway

You seem to believe GW tries to do something else than assfuck you

>>50253947

Dammit, if it was anything but electro priests I would buy that box.

>>50253983
Didn't the guard boxed set contain 30 guards for 30 dollarydoos? I might be confusing currencies due to being an europoor

>>50254015
No

>>50254020
ok

>>50253875

A shit fetish.

>>50253196
>( )

>>50254055
>he doesn't like cum-inflation

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>>50254043
I posted an official picture of the contents. I'm not sure what more you expect? Maybe you were thinking of the Catachan box?

So what other sci-fi war games are people playing that they say 40k is on its way out? I can't think of any except maybe Deadzone? I don't see anyone playing Infinity, although that might just be my area.

>>50254080

Okay, that one's slightly better in moderation. But let's not take this to extremes here. These are alternative fetishes, not excessive fetishes. Keep it classy. Classy and tasteful cum-inflation.

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>>50254015
For those kind of prices from GW you have to go all the way back to these guys.

>>50254118
its 40k, the rare game of frostgrave or magic the gathering at my local store. portland OR here

>>50253296
Yes, I'm sure that increasing the size of regiments from 20 dudes to 35/40 and cutting the miniatures per box from 20 to 16 to 10 didn't have an effect, while increasing the price of that same box and going from completely multipose to partial posing. Also, making the rules even more bloated in the process.

Only to be replaced by monopose AoS stuff that is even more expensive than WHFB ever was on a per mini basis and has fluff that is considered nuclear deterrent.

Go fuck yourself.

>>50254015
No, the Guard Boxes did used to contain 20 though,

>>50253651
What are you smoking. The original plastic multi-part models came out in '88 at £9.99 for 30. I had the space marines and a few years later the original plastic orks when I was younger

>>50251648
>Electro Priests

GW trying to pad out the box with useless backstock

Blizzard should bring out a starcraft tabletop just to fuck with GW. They could stick to their comic style to make the models more simple in design and cheaper to produce. And easier to paint so kids will buy the stuff.

>>50251648
>That AdMech box
REEEEEEEEEE

>>50255465
it's a shame

Electoo priests are such nice models. Their trash rules just ruin them.

>>50253990
>>prices triple in a decade due to inflation
Except they haven't tripled in any way shape or form. Buying a start collecting gaurd, a heavy weapons team and an extra squad of cadians costs 149$, and comes with a commisar and an extra HWT compared to the battle force. 149$ is not the triple of 90$, it's not even doubled.
>>prices never were adjusted according to inflation/different currencies anyway
Point still stands retard. While it might not be exactly same accounting for inflation, the point is that of course prices will go up over time
>You seem to believe GW tries to do something else than assfuck you
Releasing models that I want at a price I'm willing to pay is now considered assfucking? Go be a poorfag somewhere else.

>>50251667
For each of these boxes?

You consider that price for sixteen models good? Sixteen models that are just the base for an army and will need to be built upon?

Nah. GW can go fuck itself with this shit.

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>>50255514
They don't fit at all.
>Robed cyborgs with radiation guns
>Techpriest tentacle magoses
>1950s era scifi robots
>Crabtanks
>Cyborg robot ninjas
>Cyborg tanks

>shirtless BDSM wizards

I hate everything about them

>>50251648
I like Electro Priest fluff, but I absolutely hate their look.

>>50255579
>hating electoo wizards
>hating your history
get out of my mechanicum

>>50255579
Well what would you rather have, without them just being reskinned versions of other factions?

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>>50255619
Don't be a fag admech models definitely need an aesthetic revamp.

>>50252108

There are so many Deldar box sets, hell whyches have two

>>50251648
>>50251667
>"We're a model company, not a game company, can you point out where it says 'games' on the front of our Warhammer stores? That's why we don't have to bother with balanced rules or good design or sane release schedules or whatever, cry moar gamers."
>"But we're still gonna charge you based on how many points things cost in the game, get fucked if you don't like it."

GW continue to be a gaggle of laughable hypocrites.

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>>50255727
nothing to revamp, they've been half-naked electro-brawlers since their creation back in 2nd edition

they just need rules that aren't shit

>>50255653
I'd rather have Techpriests or, if we really need tech zealots make them more tech oriented than electro muscle wizards.

>>50255760
Kirby is out, games matter again, see General's Handbook Warhammer GT for example.

>>50252158
But you're not buying them for $10/mini. It's a package deal.

A better metric is cost for a full/legal force and how this saves money.

For example, a typical Infinity army costs about $130. If you use one of their starter boxes (similar to OP), you can bring it down to about $100.

Now do it with this game.

The test for GW is if they can actually turn 40k into a good game with 8th edition

40k needs a 2nd -> 3rd level rules overhaul without being turned into AOS garbage.

>>50255834
but that's not gonna make an army

>>50255948
It's a unit not an army moran

>>50251807
$10 is actually pretty standard for good sculpts.

GaleForce9, Reaper, Dark Sword, all of them are around that price for their good minis.

>>50252839
>tfw you want kingdom death almost entirely for the mini's

>>50255769
Personally, I'm not a fan of the models. Too much useless flesh for Admech. Either give them at least a torso plate or make them electro-thralls for the proper tesla-trooper electro-priest.

>>50255769
>inb4 8th edition somehow makes them stupidly powerful and awesome.

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>>50255769
They just for the most part don't look very good, some of
them look good but alot of their models just look like crap.

>>50256211
all they really need to be halfway workable is an assault transport of some kind

but that's the same for any assault unit these days

>>50251667

Fug. That comes with Drycha. In might get that from a shop that's an hour away and gets 25% off GW shit

As a hobby hero, I can say I do like these as well. I like painting, regardless of me kind of sucking at it right now and having the option of getting a bulk set of different things to paint up sounds dope as hell, especially since these are better than the prices for buying everything separate.

>>50255935

>le aos is bad may may xD

>>50256524
>le aos is good may may xD

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>>50256660

I guess that's why it's doing so well.

Because it's bad.

>>50256695
Not him, but from a purely local perspective it's doing better than 40k (4 regular players compared to zero), but it's still extremely fragile. Even with points the game is easy as fuck to break and the local meta has to be closely monitored by the store owner to prevent the arms race that killed 40k.

Meanwhile Warmahordes and Xwing have 15-20 players each.

>>50255579
>not loving crab tanks and 1950s robots
i dont even, this is highly problematic

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>>50256758
I didn't say that

I love crab tanks and 1950s robots.

I very clearly broke off the top, which I love and have paid large amounts of money for, and the bottom, which I hate and will not spend any money on.

Everything that the Admech has that isn't an Electro Priest or a Kataphron (Which I love in rules but kind of meh on in appearance) is gorgeous and imo the coolest looking army in the game

>>50256749
>15-20 Warmahordes players

Holy shit, man. I'm jealous. All I have here is MTG and barely 40k. I'm trying, but fuck.

>>50256792
oh, dont mind me then, im an rtard

>>50256798
Note that's not every single night, but the number of people I see at least once a month. On the right night you will see 4-6 games being played.

>>50256792
I kinda like the take servitors, though I'm open to ideas for conversions

>>50253600
Plastic character models cost the same to make as an entire plastic troop box.

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>>50256977
Are you retarded? Molds are the expensive part. The actual plastic is peanuts by comparison, the cost is in getting to that point.

>>50256963

Shit, man. That's still amazing. I love WMH, but I have no one to play with. I have a bunch of models because for a brief time, I had friends that played. However, they all stopped, and I've never been able to push through the 40gay plague.

Hell, I can't even get a 40k game in here. I've played 1 game in the past 2 months.

>>50252428
>GW has top shelf miniatures
How hard did your mother hit the bottle when she got pregnant?

>>50251648
>>50251667
$165 dollarydoos on a box that has... approximately $165 worth of junk in it. At least going by the Tau box.

Yeah, this isn't really caring for their customers. Call me when they have a $40-50 starter box for every faction and we'll talk.

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>>50257050

How could any company possibly afford that kind of insanity while also including extras like dice, rules, and a playmat!?!

>>50257050
>At least going by the Tau box.
commander
ghostkeel
stealth team
broadside
pathfinders
devilfish

that's almost $300 bones MSRP

>>50257077

Privateer Press is even more expensive per miniature than GW. You guys are dumbass faggots. I'm not saying GW is cheap, but you guys are just straight up stupid as fuck.

>>50257156

You generally need few models, though.

>>50257077
Shame the quality of the starter box minis is garbage.

>>50257213
but I want MORE modles

>>50257213
Oh. So THAT'S What Privateer press sells. i thought they just sold lumps of plastic, metal and resin that someone slapped their dick on a couple of times

>>50257050
The Admech box is basically
>Buy a pair of Kastellans
>Buy an Ironstrider
>buy a Kataphron unit
>get Sicarians for free
>get an Electropriest to throw at pidgeons

I guess the Datasmith is going to be the HQ? That seems dumb

>>50257246
Look into Epic.

>>50251648
>yiffs
>tau
>death watch
>most popular
I doubt it somehow.

>>50257142
Jesus, how much do those things cost in retail now? I haven't played a GW game sinve 5e 40k, but have the prices jumped that much? I was looking at that thing and going:
Devilfish is $35, looks like Fire Warriors, that's $35, Stealth Team is $25, Battlesuits are $20 a pop, looks like a sniper drone team? That was $20.

I just checked the prices for shit now - the box is a deal compared to retail but retail is MONSTROUSLY overpriced now.

>>50257156
I don't even give a fuck about number of minis. I'm just looking at it from 'how much money and time do you have to put in to start the game?'

Battleboxes are playable starter kits for $40, and they have one for every faction but Mercs and Minions. That is a cheap and fast start to a game. Similar price for starter for Infinity, Malifaux, etc. Small number of minis, digestible price, easy point to start at. You put in a little money and time, you're ready to go.

GW's cheapest starter set has always been it's two army starter, it's never had a single army box that gives you everything you need to start an army available for most of it's factions at a reasonable price point. It's always had these huge box sets for giant armies, but this giant army means more time building and painting before getting to play, more money out of pocket just to TRY the game, and less ease of entry.

>>50257213
>More money for less minis

How economical.

>>50257345
>Battlesuits are $20 a pop
that's where you messed up

The commander and broadside started abusing steroids and are like twice the size of regular crisis suits, and the ghostkeel is almost riptide size.

the large drone is part of the pathfinder kit, which is (I think?) still $35.

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>>50257345
Those aren't standard old Crisis Suits.

>>50257357
>Needing twice as many models to play the game
Economics is a fun game. I can play too!

>>50257419
So play Kill Team.

>>50251754
>The difference between him and Kirby is like night and day.

ZOMG! You're so right! They did across the board price cuts on their entire overpriced range? No...

They wrote fantastically well balanced rules for 40K? No...

They wrote fantastically well balanced rules and revitalized their WFB line? No...

They've instituted a policy of releasing errata in a timely fashion to address the numerous rules issues plaguing their various core lines? No...

Did they continue to release overpriced models and write rules sets largely designed to cater to the sale of those models? Why yes, yes they did...

<Golf Clap!> Bravo! BRAVO! Why they've positively 'turned around' that long slow slide into irrelevance they've been suffering from for years now.

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>>50254139
>For those kind of prices from GW you have to go all the way back to these guys.

That was when Rhinos came 2 to a Box, and Land Raiders were available in a 3 Pack set.

>>50257425
Kill Team is literally terrible.

If I wanted to play a skirmish game I'd invest in a good one.

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I found this Imperial Guard cheap buying guide on 4chan years ago. I'm guessing there are no ways to make this plan work any more?

>>50257503
Such as?

>>50257407
Much more obvious in the larger picture there.

Seriously, I can't get over how crazy high the prices are now. $50 for a box of Fire Warriors? $50 for a single Broadside? That shit was $35, last I bought it. Hammerhead was $40, now it's $60. It's like everything jumped by 30-50%.

At today's prices I'd never have gotten into the game.

>>50257528
Infinity.
Batman.
Frostgrave sucks but it's still better than Kill Team.
Bolt action.

Hell even Nercomunda is a step up from Kill Team.

Kill Team is pretty much half a game with a thin layer of polish splashed over it.

>>50253947
Any necrons? I wanted to start playing Warhammer 40k.

>>50257429
>ZOMG! You're so right! They did across the board price cuts on their entire overpriced range? No...
stop this meme please

GW has always been a premium priced luxury product. Relative to the inflation of the USD, space marines have been roughly the same price for over ten years.

The rules and game have only ever been 10% of the hobby.

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>>50257583
No. But Necrons have a Start Collecting box.

>>50257572
>Infinity.
Yeah, two Mary Sues with a cadre of cheerleaders facing off against each other makes for a greeeat game.

>Batman.
Never tried, can't judge.

>Frostgrave
Mordheim expy but even more random.

>Bolt action.
It's alright but 30+ models per side is not quite how I imagine "skirmish".

>Nercomunda is a step up from Kill Team
That I can agree with.

>>50257696
>Yeah, two Mary Sues with a cadre of cheerleaders facing off against each other makes for a greeeat game.
You know how I can tell you never played infinity or are just very bad at games in general?

what wargames are better than 40k

>>50257676
And it's probably one of the best when it comes to the included formation.

>>50257760
All of them.

>>50256695
>I guess that's why it's doing so well.
>AoS is popular, but sales still dropping
>Only royalty from TWW and BFG saves the last financial report

>>50257760
Almost all of them because smaller games actually have to be -fun- and can't get by on being a monolithic corporate enterprise.

I love that he is trying, but it feels like 3 steps forward and 2.9 steps back. The new blood bowl release in cornfucked bad. Gotta buy 13 copies of the base humans and orks game to get 1 copy of the rest of the game, specifically teams that aren't humans or orks

>>50257572
>>50257696
whats wrong with frostgrave? i think its a pretty fun game, and a nice break from 40k. is mordheim rules much better, i never had a chance to play it

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>>50257637
>GW has always been a premium priced luxury product.

Yes, they are legends in their own minds!

> The rules and game have only ever been 10% of the hobby.

HOLY FUCKIN' SHIT! Anon, put down that crack-pipe and step away. If your bullshit was EVEN REMOTELY TRUE, then GW would have **long ago** abandon the time, effort, and expense of the whole rules writing process. It would be nothing short of hilarious to watch how fast GW would crater if they say, tried to release '8th Edition' 40K as nothing more than 'fluff' books and 'models for all the "collectors". But we both know that isn't going to happen any time soon because in spite of GW's public 'We're a minis company - not a game company' line of horse-shit. They know that rules that cater to certain minis or codex that allow players to win more easily *SELL MORE MINIS*. It's why they've had a constant cycle of 'Codex Escalation - the Power Creepening!' since 3rd Edition 40K and Gav "I can't write balance rules to save my ass' Thorpe.

>>50257816
It's completely fucked that the other teams are literally being a paywall, and I don't mean the models but the actual rules for using them.

Fuck that noise.

>>50257637
>GW has always been a premium priced luxury product
But their models never were so bad for their prices.
>The rules and game have only ever been 10% of the hobby.
Source?

>>50257816
>The new blood bowl release in cornfucked bad. Gotta buy 13 copies of the base humans and orks game to get 1 copy of the rest of the game
What?

>>50257782
>>50257801
names?

>>50257831
>whats wrong with frostgrave?
d20

>>50257868
Jesus Christ

Just go to mini market or some shit and put your mouse over the
>"TABLE TOP MINIATURES"
Tab

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>>50257696
>Yeah, two Mary Sues with a cadre of cheerleaders facing off against each other makes for a greeeat game.

Ohhhh! So you've actually played Warhammer 40K Second edition - a.k.a. 'Hero-Hammer 40K'?

>>50257407
120 for that? fuck thats a huge saveings
ghostkeel 75
commander 50
broadside 50
pathfinders 35
a devilfish at 38
and last but not least 27 for a steathsuit
thats 275 jesus

>>50257906
>>50257782
>>50257801
>all of them
>name none of them
as someone who hates GW, it does me good to see butthurt poorfags like yourselves

>>50257934

Calculate that Sylvaneth box. I think that's the most expensive

>>50257842
unless you are buying old ass kits (which you should not be) their models are better than ever.

honestly, compare the prospero marines, skiitari, calth marins, GSC troops, and even the 2013 tactical squad to the tactical squads of ten years ago. The difference in quality and extra bits is night and day.

>>50257951
If you're to retarded to type two (2) words into google and put your mouse over a tab you may actually be mentally handicapped.

See a doctor.

>>50258003
>to retarded
wew I don't even have to do anything to make you look stupid, you do it yourself

>>50258025
I speak six languages and the latest one I learned is English.

Try harder madfag.

>>50257934
Supposedly they're $140, Although I wouldn't be surprised if they're more like $170. They're double the price of a SC Box in the UK, I doubt they will price the boxes in the US on the basis of the Brexit weakened Pound.

>>50257543
What year are you remembering your prices from? Since you need to remember to account for inflation

>>50258037
i speak 12 languages and can speak to the dead with my mind

>>50258002
>their models are better than ever.
Like fireslayers? Like not-Iron Horde? Like Taurox? Like new Space Wolves?
>calth marins
Excuse me, but where calth marines are good?

>>50258083
I've heard 165. Which for the ironjaws box is JUST SHY of half off

>>50257966
The Sylvaneth box comes to $311.

>>50257924
>Hero-Hammer
As someone who played 2nd, I never really understood that designation. Multi-damage weapons (D6, D8, D10, 2D6, D12) meant those kitted out heroes usually ate a krak missile or two and died without ceremony.

It wasn't like fantasy, where cannons were rare and regiments could eat the hits for you. Every basic squad carried one or more weapons capable of deleting a character in one volley.

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>>50258120

Hot damn.

>>50258099
I genuinely pity you.

>>50258120
Ironjawz is around $305ish. The random giant really helps give the box value.
Goddamn I love the fucking giant kit

>>50258134
Well 2nd ed. had multiple saves in full force. I remember Chaos Characters getting pretty fucking crazy and hard to kill for example. That said, I agree that 5th ed. WHFB was the real Herohammer.

>>50258101
A lot of people bought the calth marines, but they went even more nuts over the prospero marines. I don't really get it since I think the iron armor looks awful, but there is no accounting for taste.

Either way they have clean crisp details and a full compliment of weapons options.

Not every kit is a winner, but plenty are.

>>50257500
Man, what happened in 2e? Why are 2e marines so shit compared to 1e?

>>50258208
A lot of people seem to fucking love the Ironjawz and Sylvaneth models too.

>>50258148
That box plus two SC boxes is a hell of a 2500ish point army for $335. It's light on Dryads, but luckily Tree Revenants are battleline for Sylvaneth which makes that less of an issue.

>>50258174
It did, but you had two, max.

So even a khorne lord equipped to the gills with a 2+ (on 2D6) with a 4+ un-modifiable conversion field was likely to die, or get seriously maimed by a heavy weapon that rolled decently on its damage. 2D6 saves needing 8's ain't super reliable, especially when you have to make ten or twelve of them.

I dunno, I guess it's just people remembering those kitted out heroes and thinking hero-hammer referred to 2nd edition, instead of the other game it was concurrent with.

>>50258247
The Sylvaneth models are wonderful. And even though Dryads are pretty old they hold up today really well.

>>50258307
>>50258174
2e was all about building super optimum squads that would only give up a single VP when destroyed because VPs were awarded based on the points of the unit you killed.

>>50258284
>inb4 the box is actually $245

Thankfully, I used to play WE, so I have a bunch of Dryads anyway. The worst part is that I'm likely going to get the box and have no one to play with.

Still, I'm surprised to see Drycha in there. I thought I'd never have an excuse to get her cause of how expensive she is.

>>50257077
By having garbage-quality miniatures of course! It's so simple!

>>50258327
GW's never really been able to come up with a good general victory condition for 40k.

I kinda miss table quarter shenanigans

>>50257429
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you just said, but your method of conveying your opinion is incredibly annoying.

Part of being involved in an argument is being persuasive - you're never gonna persuade the other side to agree with your view if you present your view so obnoxiously.

>>50258365
I really liked table quarters actually because you had mad dashes and lots of hectic fights. I had some crazy close memorable games coming down to the last turn with that system.

Of course it would be terrible these days what with all the restrictions on what constitutes a scoring unit.

>>50258400
Don't reply to that faggot, he's in the /bgg/ thread being a dumbass as well.

>>50258416
I liked that it gave me a reason to have a land-speeder.

A broken system, but an amusing one.

>>50258443
That's the thing though, it made "bad" units "good" if you knew what you were doing. Which I felt was actually really cool.

Some things were bonkers broken, but I really did like that aspect of quarter grabbing.

>>50258316
>The Sylvaneth models are wonderful
>One pose for all "army"

>>50258516
I hate to disagree with anyone shitting on GW, but those models are pretty nice imo.

>>50258469
Yeah.

3rd edition was better, though. Core book's got like fifteen "standard" missions to 4th's five. The old sabotage mission was my favorite.

>>50258524
They aren't worse, but shit they really reminds me old editions clones, the best thing is that usually they have 1-2 colours in their colour scheme, so model doesn't look overdesigned by gems and other shit.

>>50258516
The Dryads are still "multipose" and Ogre size and bigger fantasy models haven't typically been multipose in any meaningful way anyway (either being metal, or barely posable like Ogres). Plus they're plastic, so converting isn't eactly hard if you have a little sculpting chops to fill gaps.

But all that is beside the point. FUCK YES Sylvaneth are wonderful models. They have incredibly beautiful sculpts across the whole range. Tons of gorgeous, intricate detail and a very cohesive theme.

>>50253458
im sorry but in the blue fuck is that picture

>>50258627
>Plus they're plastic, so converting isn't eactly hard if you have a little sculpting chops to fill gaps.
So what? GW models still ugly clones with borring pose from 3th edition.

>>50251667
Why is there a non-Ork among the Orks?

I cannot into Fantasy/AoS, please explain.

>>50258802

It's a giant, they sometimes ally with orcs.

>>50258802
Giants are in the Destruction Grand Alliance (Orcs, Gobbos, Ogres, Trolls, Giants).

>>50258802
The giant was a mercenary unit and so when AoS happened they just said fuck it and lazily threw it in with them as part of their consolidation.

>>50257696
>>50257722
Ditto, shit opinion is shit.

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>>50258874
>>50258802
Giants have been an Orc and Goblin unit for a long, long time. Nothing lazy about it. They're listed in the Orcs and Goblins section of the 1995 GW Catalog.

http://www.solegends.com/citcat1995-6/index.htm

>>50257213
To build 1 list, sure

But tournament plays never involves a single list

I like the effort, but the individual models are still super expensive ($30 for an individual dude in a blister). And it doesn't change the rules being fundamentally bad, and the huge model count and formations drive up prices more than the model prices do really. I will stick with Chinacast for now.

>>50259188
>wah huge model count
GW never ever said you have to play 1850 points.

Hell, they ever recently redid kill team so you can play 200 point battles with a handful of models.

The community though, they just can't let go of their 1850 cancer.

>>50251648
When they announced and then released fucking Blood Bowl in 2016 JESUS CHRIST I'M RUNNING A LEAGUE FOR MY FRIENDS FUCK

>>50259214
Because the rules are fucking terrible for it.

>>50259214
>GW never ever said you have to play 1850 points
Yeah, but they designed rules which forcing you to play larger formats, because low formats are shit and borring.

>>50259235
they are fine honestly. Certain factions get screwed over sure, and others can cheese it to extremes, but that isn't different from normal 40k

>>50259249

>implying kill team and combat patrol are not the best forms of 40k to play.

>>50259249
>because low formats are shit and borring.
1500's the level GW originally "balanced" around

1850 is the US tournament circuit's meme points limit, because 1500 made it harder to cram in all the cheese.

>>50259277
It's really not.

The game is balanced around the 2000 point bracket. It has been for a while.

>>50259277
>>implying kill team and combat patrol are not the best forms of 40k to play.
>implying light modification of core 40k ruleset is good skirmish

>>50259277
>kill team
that better be heralds of ruin

>>50259269
Nobody is saying regular 40k is good either. Just that "play at lower points" is an idiotic response.

>>50257334
because as we all know 4chan/tg/ is the vocal majority...

>>50259304
>balanced around 2000 points
>which is why at 1000-1500 points a lot of the cheese goes away and you get games where things matter beyond list building

>>50257696
>two Mary Sues with a cadre of cheerleader
you have clearly never played infinity
or you are shit player.
KYS

>>50257637
>GW has always been a premium priced luxury product
god i hate you almost as much as i hate the warmahorders
actually no i hate you more

>>50257543
idk when you last bought but last time I bought a Hammerhead (2007) it came to about $50. But now the Hammerhead comes with conversion options for a Skyray. Firewarriors used to be $35 but now since they're dual-line with options to make them Firewarriors or Breachers, I guess that explains the price jump. Broadsides were always $50 since they got updated. I'd say the box is worth the price but I think if you just wanted to get started with the game, the best value to buy is the "Get Started: Tau" box set.

Excuse my shilling... I just thought I'd explain what happened to prices in the past decade as the price jump was a hard pill for me to swallow as well.

>>50257528
Infinity.

>>50258037
Retard isn't a language.

>>50259411
>I'd say the box is worth the price
Them not being an abomination plastic/metal hybrid is worth the extra cost.

FUCK the original broadside kits. Aesthetically I liked that they were obviously a retro-fitted crisis suit, but fuck, those ankles and feet were not meant to support that much pewter.

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>>50259304
>game is balanced
40k is an interactive diorama, not a game.

>ITT: stop liking what I don't like

>>50259314
I disagree. Playing at zero points is the best possible response.

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>>50259467
Pretty much. I dislike GW immensely, but its no skin off my back if people enjoy it.

You do you.

>>50252385
"BOOKS".

Is that how a lot of Germany's stores are?

>>50257839
Not true- they will release a PDF with all the teams on release (minus Slann and minus Cyanide teams). Plus, it is 99% CRP rules which are all over the place online.

>>50259668
PROOOOFS

>>50259668
Source BTW
http://theendzone.co/blog/blood-bowl-podcast-spoiler-roundup.html

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>>50258802
Giant's hang out with orcs and goblins when they're not enslaved by chaos or ogres
And now that orcs, goblins and ogres are on the same team that more or less means that giants (And trolls) are members of that team too

>>50258873
And Fimir

>>50259001
You know, giants look a lot better with wild beards and hair. I wonder why they took that out.

>>50251648
>>50251667

Well that Ironjawz box is looking nice, would fill my starting 1k force to a real green hoard! And its half price, which (despite the basmentdwelling neckbeards still living at home in this thread has a hard time to grasp) is a pretty good deal.

>>50260581
>>50255556
>>50257266
>>50257637

samefag detected?

>>50260581
Holy shit how shill can you sound

>>50259586
yup. lots of shit is just "EXACTLY WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT"

>>50255756
If you could point me towards them I'd be delighted, because as things stand I only know of the start collecting box, which contains 0 wyches.

The battleforce and the megaforce haven't been a thing for quite a few years now.

>>50258002
AoS models are, for the most part, cancer incarnate, design wise, and more restrictive when it comes to assembling them and mixing parts from other kits.

And then there are the wolfen. Checkmate.

>>50258247
Some orks are decent (the shaman) some aren't (the boar riders, the male cheerleader) and most (all?) of them are monopose.

>>50258802
It is an Aleguzzler Gargant, not a Giant.

>>50257637
>luxery product

wtf these are toys for grown men and kids, if they wanted kids as they say into the hobby more, they would care about little billy and his lower-middle class family

>>50260617

Nope sorry to disappoint, this is the first post I posted in this thread.

>>50260703

>Stop liking what I don't like

Yea, nice meme you got there.

>>50254015
Same sculpts, same prices, half the models. Old GW in a nutshell. >:(

>>50260830
Luxury product is less a product for the wealthy and more 'anything not essential to living.' Videogames, fancier chairs and three more pillows are luxury items.

>>50260830

Any form hobby is a luxury. Its something above the essential.
Be it collecting stamps, enjoying a hobby railway system, driving RC-cars, fishing, or playing a miniature wargame.

>Why they want kids in it?
Because most hobbies starts at a very young age, simply because the nature of how we humans work. Nothing is fun when your no good at it, thus through training and enjoyment, you get good over time. Sure, there are those that pick a hobby in grown age, but I personally think most interests grow´s from a very young age and sticks with you through the years.

And as they say, no product is worth more than the consumer thinks its worth. If you are not interested, you don't need to buy it, its that simple. No one is forcing you, and even though you might think it injustice or simply really want the product, if you cant afford it you cant afford it. What a company looks at is the cost and profit, they don't care about you as a person (and this goes for all of them), they look at the big picture and try to earn as much as they can.

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>>50257637

What I find fun is that in each and every thread like this, the price is always a main villain.

A classical /tg/ thread is a picture of the ugliest model you can find in recent years from GW, posted with the AUS $, and a WTF?!?!? And people ranting all over.

As you say, when you look at the inflation over time and the price today compared to then (unless you go back to RT era), its slightly higher but roughly the same models.
And Id much rather enjoy todays models than the once when I started (pic related).

>>50261186

*Roughly the same PRICE*
Was supposed to say... fuck me I'm getting tired!

>>50261186
We also have people claiming with a straight face that Warhammer is one of the most expensive hobbies avaiable.

Which is preposterous

>>50261271

Yea, that is the top kek from basement dwelling neckbeards.

>>50261287
Yeah I can imagine that it is expensive if you are unemployed in your mother's basement.

But honestly, is it that more expensive then video games or TCG? Taking into account you actually take the time to paint the miniatures and consider that time and enjoyable way to spend your time.

>>50261186
Stop shilling.

It's not just that on a per miniature basis they are more expensive, it's that they keep lowering point costs while adjusting the rules so that you need more models for a 1500 pts game.

All that added up means much more money needed for an army.

8 years ago you used to get 24 LotR troops for £12, now it's 12 troops for £15 (and that's not counting the new Iron Hills dwarves). There is absolutely nothing that has suffered a 250% increase in the last 8 years, not even London house prices.

>>50261332
And the £15 price is not from this year, but from 2 ago at least. So the 250% increase happened in about 6 years.

>>50261305
It's expensive compared to jacking it, playing online RPGs with pirated books and playing pirated video games on your piece of shit PC which seems to be the comparison being made.

>>50257637
>Relative to the inflation of the USD, space marines have been roughly the same price for over ten years.
what was the price of a 10 man tactical squad in 2006

>>50261363
It's also expensive compared to playing other miniatures games. Especially when compared to based historicals.

>>50261152
>Be it collecting stamps, enjoying a hobby railway system, driving RC-cars, fishing, or playing a miniature wargame.
and yet for what you get 40k is far more expensive then any of that.

>>50261332
>it's that they keep lowering point costs while adjusting the rules so that you need more models for a 1500 pts game
So why aren't you reducing the size of your standard game to keep the model count static if you don't want to play larger games?

I used to play a lot of 2.5-3K with limited inclusion of apocalyptic units. 2K of the current edition suits me just fine.

>>50261381
A 40K army costs less than a set of track tyres that don't even last a whole day.

>>50261363
Yeah okay but I don't think that's a fair comparison

>>50261371
Which is a fair point to make, but people are literally saying that Warhammer is one of the most expensive hobbies known to man, when that is just plainly untrue when you compare it to for instance photography, serious sports, etc.

>>50261381

Fishing is way more expensive. If you don't find it's worth the money then shut the fuck up and go find another hobby. 40k might as well be free compared to my other hobbies that I'm currently unable to afford, like modifying my car or buying a new guitar.

>>50261394

You can tell most of the faggots whining about 40k being expensive can't even afford a vehicle to begin with, or drive a pile of garbage like a used 6 year old econobox.

>>50261371
Which miniatures games? Most of the popular ones are more expensive model for model, they're only cheaper because they're skirmish games.

And it's more expensive than historicals? Who cares, it's still a really cheap hobby.

Shit, I buy a big 40K army every year and it costs less than I spend on lunches.

>>50261402
>fishing is way more expensive
Nigga a rods like 50 bucks, bait and hooks like an extra 5 bucks.
Having fishing as a hobby doesn't mean buying a fucking tackle box full with expensive lures, using various expensive rods or buying a fishing boat.
It's just sitting by water with a stick.

>>50258416
>Of course it would be terrible these days what with all the restrictions on what constitutes a scoring unit.
Everything is a scoring unit now.

>>50261371
>based historicals
Ah yes. Historicals. Where old neckbeards go to retire.

>>50253947
the Adeptus Mechanicus one feels a bit anemic for the price, especially compared to the others shown

>>50261432
And if you're a poorfag you can play 40K with cardboard discs that have Space Marine written on them.

>>50261432
yeah sure and you can do cycling on a €30 bike you buy from a junkie in Amsterdam...

>>50257543
>Tau
Complaining about prices in USD
Come Australia Mate
>Fire warriors $85
>Commander is $85
>Ghostkeel is $125
>Pathfinders are $48
>XV8 crisis teams are $125
>Riptides are $90 (Why less than ghostkeels?
Fucking Australia tax

>>50261487
Why the fuck arent you Australians using a mail forwarding service to buy from Dark Sphere?

>>50261386
Because once upon a time a Marine's 3+ was actually impressive, but nowadays there's ap1, 2 and 3 everywhere, weapons have more strength (sitting within rapid fire range of a sororitas/marine squad was actually fearsome).

Now we even have overwatch, and things that used to belong in Apocalypse are seen in normal games.

If you reduce the model count, the games last very little, because two pie plates wipe a third of an army.

If you want a 3 hour game, you need many more miniatures than 10 years ago.

>>50251667
What happened to the idea that you could buy a £40-50 box and get a technically legal army that you could use as a base and to get started?

>>50261494
the shipping to here is just as expensive, ends up being the same price.
Only good thing being that china cast FW models have free shipping from ebay, so most of my army is forgeworld right now
I'd complain about codex prices but no one in Australia owns a codes and most stores don't have open books since GW is a filthy jewish money making empire

>>50259586
Yep. I

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>>50261487
You kinda deserve it for playing Tau though.

>>50253542
>while I stay away
So do that and never come back ffs. Why do people like you come in every single thread to come and shit up threads with outdated opinions and plain shitpost when you make it a point of pride to not buying or doing anything with GW for years?

Just fuck off and let people have fun the way they want.

>>50261512
They're still selling those.

The new boxes are supposed to be a discounted way for you to expand towards being a proper army.

>>50261513
I used to sell a lot of stuff to NZ and Aus. DHL is actually pretty reasonable if you have an account, which is the kind of pricing you'll get through a mail forwarding service. (only worth it for big orders though)

>>50261533
Unnecessary comment with useless opinion on Tau
How about some other races prices?
>SM tactical squad $65
>Baneblade $165
>Assassins are $53 each
>Chaos Termies $74
>Battlewagon >$110
>Wraithknight >$125
>Lychguard $55
>Hive Tyrant $90

You see this shit?
And no open books?
Everyone pirates codexes and store managers get salty, but don't kick anyone out since no one would come anymore. Fucking GW

>>50261503
>Because once upon a time a Marine's 3+ was actually impressive, but nowadays there's ap1, 2 and 3 everywhere, weapons have more strength (sitting within rapid fire range of a sororitas/marine squad was actually fearsome).
I think you have rose tinted glasses from being a beginner - most armies have not had their access to low AP weapons expanded since 4th (which is what I'm assuming you're referring to as 10years ago).

>>50261503
>If you reduce the model count, the games last very little, because two pie plates wipe a third of an army.
Because there wasn't lots of strong pie plates being thrown around in 4th?

>>50261557
Nigger that was a joke chill. What can I say? Find yourself a buddy in the UK to buy and send you the stuff it'll be cheaper.

>>50257429
They let someone outside of their studio create an expanded ruleset to make AoS somewhat function - good

They posted their errata and FAQ on facebook for criticism - good

They released free painting tutorials - good

They released new batch products where you actually save money - good, although this one probably has nothing to do with the new CEO, it's still a change that happened after he got instituted, it is only natural people (wrongly) give him credit.

Also, quit the game you whiny brat. Unless you are swimming in money why would you buy something overpriced? Oh right because you don't play the game, why are you here again?

GW is moving in the right direction, the more they do so the less theyoll need to lower prices, that is probably the only negative that is going to stay if they actually fix the rest of the business.

>>50257419
that's really not an argument. If someone designed a wargame you could play with just one miniature the size and quality of a space marine and sells it to you for 100 bucks, would you still buy it? Because going by your logic, you will.

>>50261762
I might if the game is really good, since the value as a game piece is part of the consideration of whether the price is worth it or not.

>>50261758
>They released new batch products where you actually save money - good, although this one probably has nothing to do with the new CEO, it's still a change that happened after he got instituted, it is only natural people (wrongly) give him credit.
He's been very vocal about his opinion that you should get more for your money. Board refused to drop prices on existing products. Hence lots of bundling and reboxing.

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>>50261762
>If someone designed a wargame you could play with just one miniature the size and quality of a space marine and sells it to you for 100 bucks, would you still buy it?

GW already tried that.

>>50257419
Are you seriously suggesting that if a game requires 3x as many models then the per model price should be 1/3?

And if a game requires less models then it's perfectly okay for them to be more expensive?

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>>50261792
>He's been very vocal about his opinion that you should get more for your money. Board refused to drop prices on existing products. Hence lots of bundling and reboxing.

Based Rountree. Twat board.

Funnily enough, he makes me think of Steve.

https://youtu.be/_zSxQnZ3TM8

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>>50261381

Dude what are you smoking?
Did you know that a vintage Barbie Doll can cost around 100-800$ depending on the quality. I'm talking FUCKING BARBIE here! Something you buy, keep on the shelf and brag about to your other Barbie hobby friends!

So don't tell me miniature wargame is "one of the most expensive hobbies out there" when clearly you have no fucking clue on what your talking about! Fuck it, even Barbie proves you wrong!

>>50261792

Hmm, there are rumours floating around of a price drop next year. I wonder how things pan out...

>>50261837
>Twat board.
Their concern is valid. Slashing prices on existing products looks really bad to the shareholders and to investors. It also devalues the product which is a problem if you drop the price and don't actually sell more units (because it's really hard to put it back up)

Bundling products so that you get extras or running limited time combo savings (like the knight box) is the correct move. If you sell more product whilst maintaining or increasing revenue then you've demonstrated that a lower price point can generate increased sales.

>>50262555
Now that he's proved his points with the boxed sets and bundles it wouldn't surprise me too much.

>>50262585
>Now that he's proved his points with the boxed sets and bundles it wouldn't surprise me too much.
i hope your right

>>50262585
True, I'm often the first to remind peoplz that cutting prices wouldn't necessarily mean that sales would increase accordingly.

But hey, at least he's slowly making GW great again.

>>50253771
I think there's been rumors for that guy on Dakka Dakka...Sadpanda, isn't it? And he's almost never been wrong with calling it. I wanter to know if anyone has information on what 8th edition is actually going to do.

>>50262585
You don't necessarily have to lower existing prices, but you can price new products more sensibly and I haven't seen that with any of the recent stuff. I'll certainly be interested to see how the new sisters stuff gets priced because I'm expecting it to ironically be even more expensive than they are now.

Price would also be less of a problem if the size of a proper game was scaled back in the next edition to something more sane, but that's another "do they have the guts to actually solve this problem" thing.

>>50253196
both make sense

day/month/year
"It's the third of may, year"

month/day/year
"It's may third, year"

Both are pretty common ways to say the date

>>50262740
Take a look at the deathwatch stuff - it's all priced a notch lower than expected.

>>50262802
The way that makes sense is year, month, day.

It's then trivial to sort as the date simply becomes a number.

>>50262740
>Price would also be less of a problem if the size of a proper game was scaled back in the next edition to something more sane, but that's another "do they have the guts to actually solve this problem" thing.
I think that would be a bad thing - 40K's scale is the thing that sets it apart.

I do think that there should be discrete game sizes with their own limitations. E.g.
Kill team
Medium size (I.e. Like a 1500pt 3rd edition game)
Large (I.e. 2K at 7th Edition points with apocalyptic units)

>>50262938
And small - something like the 40K in 40mins ruleset.

>>50262938
Ignoring that GW has yet to prove they can even design a game for one size correctly yet, it's also a physical scale problem. That's why Epic is supposed to be a thing. Larger scale battles require smaller scale miniatures and a more abstract rule system.

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I''m fine with GW being expensive, but you absolutely don't get your moneys worth.

The game play is terrible, their miniature's are mixed, but many are poorly designed, though usually competently executed. The game is so dull to play, taking too long and with the end result rarely in doubt.

I see them in the same light as Bank of America or Comcast. A company that does not deserve my money. These "deals" are like Comcast's teaser rates before they fuck you.

>>50263136
Then why are you in this thread?

>>50263179

To set you free.

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>>50263353

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>>50261837
Absolutely based.

>>50253967
wew lad, settle down Karl Marx

>>50258091
Built most of my first army in 2004-2005. I checked an inflation calculator. If prices had kept pace with inflation, Fire Warriors would be $38.