Charm Person on PCs, need GMing help

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Fox bump.

>>50236519
Boost the Elf's Charisma to 12 so she isn't 'unlikable'

Otherwise, remind the players that they were the ones to have their characters openly mock and insult someone, and they have to deal with the consequences. Ask them if you should give them a free revival if they had been killed by a dragon for mocking it.

>>50236519
>They justified it by saying the elf had only Cha 8 and was thus unlikeable.
If they're acting like assholes, then they're the unlikeable ones.

Give them CHA 8 and let the rest sort itself out.

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>>50236931
>>50237008
Screwing with stats is a no-no.

>>50236519
Inform them that if they don't like the consequences of PC-PC hostilities then they shouldn't have initiated PC-PC hostilities. They shat in their bed, now they get to lie in it.

Or get out, that works too.

>>50237064
Then just remind them that someone with 8 Cha isn't necessarily unlikable or unattractive. It could represent them being shy and soft spoken instead.

Ask them why they feel the need to cheat the other player out of this when they were the ones being fucks to start with.

>>50237092
Escalating from insults to mind control is a bit much.

>>50237064
I don't claim to know anything about 13th Age, but you're the GM.

You don't even have to tell them that their stats are down. Secretly treat every check they make as if their stats were lower. If even that is off-limits for you, make it so that other people nearby speak out against whatever their comments. Getting in trouble with locals is a great way to never be allowed back to a town, which can cut them off from invaluable resources and more importantly, work.

Ask them what their in-character mandate is for being dicks to somebody they just met that has never interacted with them properly. "Their CHA is 8" isn't valid, since that's hardcore metagaming. They need an in-character reason. "I don't like X" also isn't valid, unless they plan on treating literally every instance of X equally poorly.

Call them out, and if they give you shit, then tell them to either take the consequences of their actions or to leave the table. Unless they're paying you to run a game for them, there's no reason you have to put up with them bullying you into running the game perfectly for them.

>>50237139
Insults are one thing, breaking character to fuck with a PC and likely ruin possible party coherency is just rampant faggotry. Using magic to enforce party coherency is a sane and logical response.
I mean, if the wizard is being a faggot about the charm now (which OP hasn't given reason to believe) then they need a slapping IC or OOC, but "I cast Play Nice, you have to stop being a faggot" is a damn good decision.

>>50237162
Not OP, but the reason for the stat change is quite obvious. All the players have an 18 16 14 14 8 8 array. Presumably they wanted each player to have 2 clear 'weaknesses', so removing one or adding a third would not be very fair.

The rest of the advice might be sound though. Confront them on the metagaming, and failing that, have rumors spread about those two dickhead racist knights.9

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>>50237162
That seems really passive aggressive and likely to just make them leave.

>>50237180
Yeah. While it is a bit drastic, I don't really see the three of them grouping up otherwise. The knights were insulting her, and she didn't appreciate it. If they did get a job, they'd have no reason to speak about it to the other.

>>50237253
They've already thrown the gauntlet of "Bend over for us or we're leaving". You seriously don't want them to stick around if it means deepthroating them whenever their actions have consequences.

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>>50237253
>Directly confronting them over their metagaming.
>Passive-aggressive

>>50237238
Ah, so the system has a Pick Value generation method, then. Yeah, in that case, tinkering with stats would be a big no-no.

I'd definitely confront the two about metagaming, though.

>>50237162
>>50237309
You can tell someone's Charisma on first impressions alone, can't you?

>>50236519
They both have Dex 8 Make them clumsy bumble fucks. See how they like stats used against them. turn about is fair play

>>50237345
Depends on how their Charisma manifests. If they're a well-spoken individual, they have to actually start speaking to give that impression. If they look pretty, you have to be able to see them.

Examples of low Charisma:
>Ugly (excepting in systems that have a separate stat for physical appearance)
>Generally grumpy/angry people
>Person that can construct good rhetoric, but trips over themselves too much early on.
>Incredibly shy people
>Low-"presence" people
>People that talk a lot but don't think about their words in advance
>Overly-blunt speakers
>Generally socially inept people

All of these can be applicable, none of them are mutually exclusive, and the best part is that there is absolutely no mandate for them to overlap. A character can have a Charisma of -50,000,000 and still deliver one hell of a speech, but be so revolting in personality for anybody to pay it any mind.

>>50237372
>also Int 8

looks like these guys are dumb as bricks as well.

>>50237481
But the wizard has Str 8 and Cha 8.

>>50237733
Yeah? All that means is she can't lift and is bad at convincing people of things in some way.

>>50237733
>>50237775
>Meganekko

but that's my fetish Anon

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>>50237960
What do glasses have to do with this?

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>>50237180
>if the wizard is being a faggot about the charm now (which OP hasn't given reason to believe)

The elf/kitsune half-jokingly asked the humans to clean the dirty soles of her high heels by licking them.

They did it IC (I never said they had to) then complained about it OOC.

>>50239133
Okay, that's really weird, even as a joke, but I still don't have much sympathy for them since they did it and THEN complained about it. If they had spoken up before doing so, like you said, you could have cleared up the extent of the charm and confirmed it was a joke.

It really feels like they're just acting on false assumptions about how the setting works and then trying to justify it later. Hating elves, treating charms as total mind control, it's odd behavior.

You need to get together with everyone and clarify the ground rules once more. Personally, I think the idea of a shy elf using a charm spell on a pair of knights hilarious, since with 8 Cha she'd probably still be nervous about the attention and not know what to do with it.

I'd bet money that if the elf had 16 charisma instead they would have led off the game trying to seduce/rape her instead and you'd be at the same point with a different excuse for why they shouldn't suffer the consequences.

>>50239133
would you lick the feet of your friend if they asked you to? if that doesnt sound like something thats likely then why would they; though they likely figured they were forced into being stupid will-less slugs, go over what it means to be charmed

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>>50238827
Stereotypical Nerd with Glass. Shy Weak, but intelligent.

Wizards are the Nerd class of DnD

>>50239313
>>50239426
To be fair:
>named it "Lovey-Dovey Heart Spell" with VPV to make targets infatuated with her

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>>50239313
>Personally, I think the idea of a shy elf using a charm spell on a pair of knights hilarious, since with 8 Cha she'd probably still be nervous about the attention and not know what to do with it.

She was fidgeting sometimes and accidentally letting her fluffy tail appear.

>>50236519
Tell them it's been fun, no hard feelings about leaving, seek replacements.

>>50239438
Yeah. It depends a lot on the tone of the game. I feel like OP and the Wizard player were on the same page with their sort of more lighthearted comedic anime style game, while the Fighter and Paladin were expecting Humanity fuck yeah in a more serious game.

That's probably why they freaked out over the charm spell, since while in the lighthearted tone it's just a weird way to get the party to stick together, in the serious tone it's pretty dire, especially if you assume it to be total control like they did.

In short, the two knights had different expectations, and it shows.

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>>50239905
>lighthearted comedic anime style game

Foxgirls are always anime?

>>50239625
Nobody else plays 13th Age.

>>50240786
I'd play 13th Age with this GM, even though I've literally never played it before.

As a former Game Designer I'm 100% about learning new systems and ways to play tabletop RPGs.

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>>50241577
Do you want to play a fluffy tail?

Maybe a meow?

>>50241577
Likewise. It seems like it could be fun.

>>50241577
>>50241692
Is getting mind controlled by a kitsune fun to you?

>>50241619
I'll try anything interesting once.

Seriously. Where do I find PDFs for this shit?

>>50241800

you think that you are haveing fun when she tells you that you are

>>50241800
>Is getting mind-controlled by a kitsune fun to you?
Only one way to find out.

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>>50241857
>>50241964
Are you from /pfg/?

>>50241991
No.

>>50241800
I think it's a novel twist to get the party to stick together after they all meet in a tavern. Would probably want,it to just be feelings of friendship over outright domination, but I'd be willing to roll with it.

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>>50242270
What if the party has a bard and they mind control each other?

>>50242590
>Bard and Wizard get off on the wrong foot, both start hurling insults
>Each storms off, only to hatch the idea to charm the other into being more agreeable
>Both cast at the same time, end up inadvertently changing their hostility into a deep and lasting friendship

As long as you run the charm as a charm more than total mental puppeting, it's easy to have interesting roleplay opportunities.

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>>50242684
Does anyone want to play this?

>>50242880
I guess I would, but I'm just here because people keep posting cute foxgirls.

>>50242880
I would, though I'm not sure if I have the time free for it.

>>50242880
Yes.
Give the PDFs already you fucking Luddite.

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>>50242929
Check the PDF thread yourself.

>>50242946
I would, if there was one up.

And before you say something, I checked and refreshed the calatlog 4 times before posting this.

>>50237139
Charm Person isn't mind control; it can't force someone to do anything they're firmly opposed to doing.
It just makes the target think you're their friend, and they treat you like they'd treat a friend.

>>50242684
>years later, they're hit with Dispel
>immediately drop back to being assholes

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>>50243243
They are not my friends.

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>>50243515
Don't worry, no charge for them.

>>50239133
That sounds like subbing to a foxgirl may be their fetish.

Change nothing.

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>>50242902
You too?

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>>50246827
If subbing to a shy foxgirl is their fetish, then why did they complain about it?

>>50247278
Clearly they don't want to admit they enjoy subbing to shy foxgirls.

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>>50247333
Ask /pfg/ if they would.

Would this thread let a shota cross-dressing trap foxboy mind control them?

>>50248579
Nah.

>>50248579

Sure, its not like you would mind while charmed anyway

>>50248582
Why not?

>>50249175
Because nah to mind control in general.

>>50249193
Mind control is one of those hot-button things for me as a roleplayer, but going "you think this guy is your friend" isn't really OOC for most characters, because it's so fucking easy to break that minor charm.

In 3.PF, for example, literally any aggressive action would break the charm. A heated argument (which happens between friends) can break the charm.

>>50236519

>Charm Person lasts indefinitely until the caster takes hostile action, which never happened. Session went on normally but fighter and paladin players kept balking about how they were forced to roleplay charm and infatuation with a Cha 8 "unlikeable elf." Fighter and paladin players threaten to leave the game if I don't have the charm completely drop by second session. What should I do?

Let it burn and spread the ashes with the wind.

>>50249211
Charm, yes, but note that >>50248579
doesn't specifically mention Charm Person, but "mind control".

>>50249306
Oh well that's no good.