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Help a fellow DM out. So I've got this player in my 5th

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Help a fellow DM out.
So I've got this player in my 5th edition game, Character name Jun. He's a 11th level Tempest cleric / Open hand monk multiclass (5/6 level split respectively) and he basically dominates the party with his speed and massive amount of DPS. He's got stupid good stats and the cleric spells don't help either.

The current BBEG of the campaign is tied closely to his backstory, and I basically want to make him tailored to fuck Jun up specifically. (The rest of the party will be otherwise preoccupied so they're not an issue)

Since It will come down to a 1v1 fight with the monk, how should I build him for maximum effectiveness?
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Cut his hands off.
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>>50197115
I thought about some kind of permanent debuff.. BBEG is a complete asshole like that, but the player of the monk would probably bitch up a storm
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>>50197148
Because he built his character well. And is playing intelligently you honestly think that giving him a permanent debuff just for that is a good thing? If you're going to challenge him make it fair, don't just throw bullshit at you players. Also cutting his hands off is retarded, unless he can get them back somehow. Taking away his hands away would seem like a petulant DM removing player agency.
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>>50197089
The BBEG has good hp and saves.
The game isn't designed for 1v1; the player should get curbstomped by any decent solo
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The BBEG is immune to the last type of attack used on him. So if he punches, he's now immune to punches. If he uses magic, he's immune to that school of magic.

No matter how powerful he maybe, he'll have to constantly alter his style to even hurt the guy. Throw in regen on the BBEG if you want to be even more cruel
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>>50198501
I was thinking of stealing the ranger's multi attack defense, not quite making him completely immune, but after the first attack his AC gets a nice +4 buff for the rest of the turn.
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>>50198363
I wouldn't take away his hands unless he did something utterly retarded and deserved it. And yeah, he did build his character pretty well. He's gathered a good number of feats that supplement his abilities too.
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>>50198402
The thing is, the BBEG isn't some typical lich or overlord, its just a noble with a particularly violent history with the monk. The fight is intended to be cinematic, the rest of the party will be dealing with his guards while the monk takes him on alone.
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>>50197089
>He's got stupid good stats

And that's why my gaming always use point buy.

youtube.com/watch?v=UJWn6CD7PVg
Guy in this video makes some really good points about not rolling for stats.

As for your BBEG. I would give him some legendary actions and multiple reactions.
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>>50197089
Step 1: be a better GM

there, you're done.

What you're probably going to do is continue to be a petulant manchild mad that the player is beating up your monsters, when that's the whole point.
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>>50198966
Sorry, how the fuck did you think making all this about one character was a good idea?
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>>50199061
thats guy its stupid sorry:
"the problem is that if i roll well, they can take human variant" wtf mate? i never let the op human variant.
Also the best feat you can take with a rogue is luck, a rogue without luck is a dead rogue.
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>>50197089
what is your player exact build:
Feats, and stats, magic items. I find really weird that a monk can dominate encounters.
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>>50197089
I don''t think it's fair to build encounters that target a specific characters weaknes but It's fine to build a BBEG that counters a player imo. If the BBEG was smart, and had history wiith the character, he would be prepared.

I'd say give the BBEG a ring of lightning resist and spiked armor/armor of agathys. Pad his HP and the monk will kill himself
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>>50199442
Maybe he has short arcs? Tailoring a couple sessions around a particular PC at a time can help flesh out characters, and create bonds in the party as they help each other.
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>>50197089
you made a mistake in play 5th edition.
tell him he's being a tryhard fag or just up the difficulty and hope that the party doesn't get blown the fuck out
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>>50197089
There is an inherent problem with powergaming in D&D (3.P is notorious for this). One player knows how to build a character that just outshines the rest. This causes them to take all the lime light, make encounters boring, and sap the fun from the other players. If the DM ups the difficulty then he runs the risk of making the rest of the party feel inferior. If he trys to buff the other players to get them to the powergamer's level then the powergamer feels alienated.

Theres no safe way out once it has started. As sacrilegious as it may be to some I try to make the entire party of equal value, so they can all feel like they all contribute (even if for some it's out of combat).
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>>50200165
>>50199442
We just finished a 6 month campaign and are currently doing short mini-campaigns to flesh out characters more. Its the monk's turn, and he seeks vengeance against one guy in particular.
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>>50197089
What sort of stats does the monk have, did you let the players roll for stats? Because hitting people in the weak save works pretty good. Don't feel bad about doing it because if you don't players will just stack up on AC and act unkillable.
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>>50200319
Every player is (unfortunately) in powergame territory. We have a fucking blender of a champion-fighter half-orc who prioritized two weapon fighting with dual warhammers, a heavy stealth ranger/rogue built to one-shot small things with advantage on shots, and a tank of a paladin with 21 AC and a good dps. Surprisingly well balanced.
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>>50200798
The monks stats are as follows:
STR: 15, +2
DEX: 16, +3
CON: 16, +3
INT: 16, +3
WIS: 18, +4
CHA: 15, +2

I let players roll stats but force them to keep the first roll unless they're clearly destined to be useless. I think he probably moved a few of them up from +2 to +3 with ability improvements.
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>>50200195
lol I already custom build encounters because the challenge rating stopped working when they hit level 5. They know the game too well, one of the bastards has memorized half the monster manual, and they metagame too often.
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>>50200140
He's not a beefcake bbeg, he's more a shane the shy type guy, who keeps his bases covered.
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>>50199788
>>50200849
Stats.
In terms of feats, he's taken the Mobile feat, but nothing else so far. He uses every cleric spell and switches them out constantly during long rests to better fit the next challenge. He's Tempest cleric level 6, and open hand monk level 5.
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>>50199415
lol, had bad dm's before? because it sounds like you got some stories to tell.
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>>50199061
I defiantly will try this next time we roll up characters
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>>50199765

i think he's saying that characters that roll really good or really poorly can be detrimental to the game. a character with great stats can hog the spotlight, and a character with poor stats won't get a chance to shine.
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>>50201278
While not everyone was as lucky with stats as the monks' player, they're all really clever and have built pretty effective characters.
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>>50200849
>I let players roll stats
You brought this on yourself m8
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>>50200849
I mean, at level 11, while he doesn't have any weaknesses, he doesn't really have any strengths either. A +3 modifier is something a level 1 can have.

I have no idea how he's dealing damage, because monk is on the low end as far as martials go, only beating rogues.

What spells does he throw out? I could see bless being good, but a lot of them just take his action, which means he deals low damage that turn.
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>>50199061
This
I like rolling stats a lot, but I thought it went without saying that if you were going to do that you had to put barriers in place (like, minimum of net +X, maximum of net +X)
It completely boggles my mind that some people let players roll and use absolutely anything
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>>50201458
He abuses the hell out of the spirit guardians spell, and has a magic quarterstaff that does lightning damage in addition to bludgeoning. (reward from an earlier quest.)
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>>50201510
I allow it because we all enjoy the slight high of waiting for that one fucker to roll four 1's. Because he's keeping that shit.
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>He's a 11th level Tempest cleric / Open hand monk multiclass (5/6 level split respectively)

How is this a good build AT ALL?
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OP here, feel free to continue mocking me / giving suggestions, I'll be back in a bit - have a game to run.
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>>50200165
>>50200718
"BBEG" is more than a mini-boss of a few sessions. OP doesn't actually mean BBEG.
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>>50200925
No, been a GM for a long time and seen a lot of other GM's do nothing more than piss themselves and their players off.
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>>50201545
How much more damage does the quarterstaff deal? Because he can only attack with it twice a turn. Monks don't get to use a monk weapon on their bonus action attacks from martial arts, those are unarmed only.

I'll go ahead and assume it's 1d8 extra lightning. So you've got a monk that can deal 4d8+2xDex once per turn, and then 3d8 if an enemy fails its save.

Are you having him roll concentration checks every time he gets hit when he has spirit guardians up? It's a concentration spell, so he has to.

It just isn't a lot of damage when you compare it to, say, the revised ranger, or even a fighter, with the sharpshooter feat, and the archery (and close quarters shooting) fighting style(s), so I'm not seeing the issue.

If it's really an issue, just send some enemies that can counterspell or dispel magic at them, poof, spirit guardians is gone.
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