EDH/Commander General

only commander I own is oloro desu

>>50132815
Gross.

What causes someone to pick such a boring commander and decide, "You know what? That's going to be my one and only commander!"

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How do some people manage with only one commander? I have a problem in which I can't stop getting excited about new ideas and new decks. My office playgroup barely ever plays anymore and yet I keep building and spending my money.

>>50132881
I know that feel. I keep telling myself I'll stop buying and building new decks but I lie every time

>>50132815
>>50132848
Oloro is the kind of commander you recommend to your'e mental challenged friend who never heard about magic before

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>>50132766
Trostani was my first.
>>50132881
Tell me about it.

>>50132848
Well, I only have Niv- Mizzet. It's been three or four years, and it's a labor of love. I'm the kind of person who multiple formats, but one deck in each format. I'd rather be really fucking good with one deck than spread out and be okay with several.

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>>50132766
I still have my first commander, Niv-Mizzet.

Although not a single card from the original deck remains.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/27-10-16-SZp-erebos-edh/

Ere day I'm hustlin

>>50133153
Not even Niv-Mizzet!?

>>50133191
Well at first it was a ravnica Niv Mizzet, now it's a GP top 8 promo Niv.

>>50133153
>>50133191
Or island/mountain ?

>>50133220
Now it's Japanese MPS promo Islands/Mountains.

I've disassembled all of my oldest decks, but I've held onto my Sidisi, Brood Tyrant for a few years now.

>>50132881
I think it is fine for starting players to focus on just one deck, but beyond that, yeah it would be suffering.

My group seems to have the opposite problem though, where most of our players are constantly churning out decks, making alot of them pretty unfocused and subpar. I really wish they put more love into their decks.

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>>50132766
Longest running and still favorite commander.

>>50132881
I only play maybe every 2 months with friends or with my brothers. They use my decks.

I still build new decks constantly, ordered the commander 2016 decks and visit this general almost daily.

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>>50132766
Damia was my first, but I've had Narset for the longest.

>>50132766
I started EDH with the c13 decks. I still play them, except Derevi.

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>>50133220
>>50133250
Best 2 color lands ever.

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What are some creatures in red/blue/white that get absolutely stupid huge? Don't need to have evasion or protection or anything, just enormously fat

>>50133271
how's the deck play? slobad's one of my favorite characters in the whole magic storyline but his card looked so underwhelming

>>50133153
That super secret tech is 10/10.

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>>50133385
Chasm Skulker and Hamletback Goliath.

>>50133385
Serra Avatar.

>>50133385
For cheaper creatures, Sunscorch Regent and Taurean Mauler come to mind

>>50133412
I've literally never been allowed to play it, but I use it as my deck mascot, 100% possible foils.

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Are there any good Green and/or Red token producers that are 4 CMC or less?

>>50133473
>>50133456
>>50133433
these are perfect, thanks! another one I thought of is the new ojutai bird from C16

>>50133400
He isn't a huge impact on his own, but with artifact recursion stuff having an at-will sac engine for cheap can be very nice for reusing stuff, and you don't have to worry as much about artifact removal with him so overextending is less of a risk. And it's fun to blow up the world with Obliterate or Jokulhaups and keep most of your stuff. He can be pretty slow though.

>>50133609
I like night soil for its double purpose

>>50133060
>Daretti
>Angry Omnath
>Purph
>Narset
muh nigga

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>>50133609
Sprout storm and Awakening Zone

>>50133609
Do you need the tokens to be colored, or just the source?

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>>50131839
I had built Nicol Bolas with a discard/swampwalk theme but it was really bad. Fire Whip was an all star though. Eventually it shifted to a "BUR burn" but shortly after everyone started moving away.

Later I did Palladia-Mors to be a hipster with newer cards but it was still pretty bad.

>>50132815
Fucking hell anon. I can almost understand having only one EDH deck. But solely playing Oloro? How does your brain not fall out of your head?

If there was an "EDH for dummies", Oloro would literally be on the front AND back cover.

>>50133609

Kuldotha Rebirth
Molten Birth
Tempt with Vengeance
Beetleback Chief
Brood Birthing (situational)
Dragon Fodder
Empty the Warrens
Goblin Assault
Goblin Rabblemaster
Goblin Warrens
Hanweir Garrison
Hordeling Outburst
Krenko's Command
Krenko
Mogg War Marshal
Rakka Mar
Snake Basket
Young Pyromancer
Awakening Zone
Goblin Offensive
Beacon of Creation
Night Soil
Ulasht (not really but y'know)

at 5 cmc you get Siege Gang Commander and Mycoloth and Goblin Rally and Emrakul's Hatcher

don't really know green ones as well i'm sure there are a bunch more

>>50133788
You DID run Dragon Tempest, right?

>>50133781
Preferably the tokens would be red and/or green as well.

What are some of the best firebreathing effects? Sokenzan Spellblade and Moltensteel Hellkite come to mind, but are there any others?

>>50133813
it didn't exist at the time

>>50132848
>>50132946
I play magic on a super low budget irl, and oloro is flexible and inexpensive. I usually just play on xmage instead

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>>50133879
Moonveil Dragon

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>>50132766
I've had pic related for what seems like ages now. The only reason I originally built him was because I was beyond sick of Oloro. Everyone and their mother played him at the time.

I try to keep him more control oriented with the wheeling and drawing as the win con.

>>50133839
Beetleback chief
Empty the warrens
Dragon fodder/krenko's command
Hordling outburst
Wort, the raidmother
Krenko, mob boss
Artifact mutation
Fungal sprouting
Arachnogenesis
Jade mage
Various thalids

>>50133811
>Mycoloth

pls no

>>50133970
Oh and Xenagos

>>50133811
For more green ones that make eldrazi there is nest invader, kozilek's predator, eyeless watcher, call the scions, from beyond, scion summoner, and vile redeemer

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>>50132766
Chainer was the Commander I've had the longest but Teysa was my first commander deck I built physically. After Teysa I built Chainer though.

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Behold! The dopest new deck to go into the Razia deck!

>>50133762
Does that work how I want it to?
Does buyback add to the cost of the spell, thus you can convoke for it?

>>50134184
Yes

>>50133788
Honestly, the only good one really was Nicol Bolas and MAYBE Arcades Sabboth.

The others were pretty shitty. I wanna rebuild Chrominum though.

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>>50133762
>>50133811
>>50133970
Thanks guys!

>>50133960
>Everyone and their mother played him at the time.
>Plays Nekusar

I'm honestly not sure if you're joking or not.

>>50133960

When my playgroup was all sucking the Orlo dick I built Erebos. Most fun I've had in a long time.
Death wish for Soul Conduit made them so sad.

>>50134179
Just to make sure, you realize Razia doesn't prevent damage, right?

A few threads ago someone asked about getting xmage to work on windows 10, did that ever get solved? I can't run the program after I extract the files. There's no executable file.

>>50134393
Yes.

>>50134390
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/erebos-god-of-life-drain/

List if anyone cares

I just think it's really neat

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>>50132766
Years I have had this bad boy.
From his wee moments of Ramp and Fatties to the Age of Superfriends piloting Kraj has been a wild ride.

Patron is the oldest and still my favorite. It's also the one I've put the most money into (Edric is the most expensive overall but I haven't spent as much improving the core of the deck)

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>>50134636
i'm a dumbass and forgot the image.

>>50134595
I've been thinking of building a Kraj list, anything I should avoid or needs to go in that isnt obvious?

>>50134478
Anyone?

>>50132881
I manage because I'm a college student and that shit's expensive yo. I keep brewing new decks on Xmage and I'm currently trying to settle on one to assemble irl. Currently on Sidisi. Already passed up Living Daxos and Angry Omnath after lots of testing. Next on my list are Alesha and Zada.

My only deck irl is Meren but I need to expand so I have something new to play with with my friends.

>>50133960
my favorite deck that is not mine in my playgroup is my friend's nekusar theme deck. it's not group slug or force-feeding, it's fucking LICH KING'S UNDEAD ARMY. he has sedris, thraximundar, grimgrin, all the zombie lords, etc. you can ask him about any single card in his deck and he explains how it ties in to the theme. also lot of reanimation spells he only ever uses on opponent's creatures.

he rarely wins but I always smile watching his deck play out.

>>50134925
That sounds really fun actually.

>>50134393
The joke is that she's worthless.

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>>50132766
Godo's been in my rotation since I started EDH. It's not my best deck, but I enjoy playing it the most. Even though mono-red can be ass sometimes.

>>50132766
Nekusar was mine. Had it built into the same shit everyone else does with him, after that it would've been brimaz until I realized how shitty mono W is unless you run cat tits or nahiri

>>50134646
I like your taste!

except edric fuck that guy

guys why has almost nobody been talking about yidris?
i'm just a casual but i'm gonna have a good time with my silumgar, drifting death build that is focused on dragons and merely uses the cascade for value
what do you think?

>>50135405
A bunch of people have been talking about Yidris. He's probably the most talked about of the 4 color commanders next to Atraxa. I keep seeing several lists posted around here for him.

new commanders are all in sort of an awkward spot; not good enough for competitive, 4C is too hard to manabase for most casuals, commanders aren't interesting enough for most people in the middle of the road

my two cents at any rate

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Does anyone know all the MTGO bugs with Karador cards?
I know Saffi just flat doesn't work online but I learned (and lost because) Evoke doesn't work with Karador when casting from the grave. It still wants full cost.

Got anymore?

How do you increase the power of an Ezuri, Claw of Progress deck? Sage of Hours is great, but only comes up once.

So far it's just 'get to big experience and then apply pressure', but it's really easy to hate him out. I fold to basically any deck in any of the Grixis colours.

>>50135618
It depends on how you're playing him. What's your strat?

Recently got the cash to make a pet deck. But I'm a shit deck builder. How does this look?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/whorde-of-notions-1/

>>50135618
Avenger of Zed does insane work, Mycolth as well.
Anything that makes a lot of small tokens.

>>50135663
I've mostly been building around him. +1/+1 matters, power 2 and below. Go wide with small creatures, then drop Cultivator of Blades/Wild Beastmaster/Champion of Lambholdt and smash face.

But it's too reliant on boardstate and crumbles to wipes.

>>50132881
>one of the players in my playgroup had a bad experience with mtg and stopped playing
>little by little they started playing other hobbies
>I am the only one who keeps buying and building decks

>>50135472
>ctrl+f
>2 results

in the last few threads i'm seeing a few decklists posted, but not all that much discussion about it, just some basic deck help/pointers

is running 6x signets a bad idea?

>>50132766
Kaalia.

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>>50133261
Yeah, my group has that problem. Lots of the players at my college have tons of decks, but their decks are shit. It's like they just see a new legend or precon and throw some slapdash assortment of cards together. I'm not knocking on them, but I hate feeling guilty/having to handicap myself because my small stable of decks has been ruthlessly improved and tuned over the years, an unfortunate side effect of playing at a store full of tryhards. Thankfully I can pick up Gay Kings and have a deck that isn't a killing machine that sows salt.

Oh, and pic related is the oldest one I still have together, and the one closest to my heart. I started with Oloro and quickly realized the error of my ways. I tried Lazav, Walker Ob, and Dead Sidisi, before finally enjoying it the crisp feel of playing mono-blue.

>>50135716
MTGO is the only place I can play other than Midnight on Fridays after work. It can be spendy if you are trying to do both at once though.

>>50135681
Mycoloth takes too long to work in my experience

I like Hooded Hydra personally because you can just pop him into a pile of snakes right away

>>50135745
Yeah, I am not a fan of mtgo, if only mtg had an equivalent of Devpro/Ygopro, I would be glad even if it was paid.

>>50135664
>$2760.38
ahem


I don't see why you need all five swords

If someone casts Ruination/Blood Moon/Magus/any other nonbasic hate you are in a big, big pickle

I think more ramp would benefit you and I don't think you need that much creature removal; as horde you are less playing answers than playing things that need to be answered

>>50135720
Depends on if you're in green and how much artifact hate is in your meta.

>>50135778
What do you mean?
Like free cards and you have to act out the game actions or more automated like MTGO?

>>50135778
cockatrice

>>50135787
all the ramp I can think of just fetches basic lands, and I've only one of each so if I draw more than one ramp card they'll quickly become dead cards. The swords are mostly for laughs, and I kind of agree I might need more threats, but I don't know what to add in. I want to keep all the creatures elementals but I've already got just about all of the good ones there.

>$2760.38
less than a month's pay now.

>>50135789
>g
yes, this is for yidris
i saw someone suggest kodama's reach & cultivate, i have the cards rampant growth (2cmc but fetches 1) and explosive vegetation (puts 2 on field but 4cmc, i'd rather 3cmc) so i'll try to swap those out

>artifact hate
not really, we're mostly casuals. this will be my first real deck too. i'm not sure about signets

>>50135720
The general consensus I've seen is that Yidris, along with the other 4c commanders, are spread too thin and their shtick is done better by other generals.

That being said, if you're determined, I'd say that running that many signets wouldn't hold up too well. Tack advantage of green's natural colorfixing with cards like Cultivate or Traverse the Ulvenwald. Cards like Chromatic Lantern and Darksteel Ingot will probably go a long way too. I'd run a couple signets, but not too many. Just make sure you have a good focus nailed down or you're going to find yourself pulled into too many directions at once.

I was pretty interested in building the 4c at first as well, but the more I looked, the less I wanted to. I was incredibly hyped prior to spoilers, but the reality of it came crashing in when I finally got to see what I had been waiting for. Landbases can get expensive if you want it to run smoothly, so you have to sacrifice a lot of space to manafixing spells and artifacts. That leaves you less room in an already tight box. You're trying to fit in stuff from 4 different colors that may not synergize well already, but you're also losing slots to manafixing at the same time. They can be fun to theorycraft for and should be decent for fun kitchen table games if you play them against one another, but optimization is a nightmare.

I'm the kind of guy who pains over balancing my pile of cards for hours on end, and even finds joy in it, but there's seemingly no perfect balance without going way out of budget. They share a problem with 5c decks in this. Your mana is hard to make work when you need it to. That, and they lack some focus and can end up being good stuff. Slivers are about the best way to go at 5c, but that's because they're a fancy, consistent tribal machine.

tl;dr
ZETSUBOU

>>50135855
xmage too

>>50135819
There are a bunch of minor things that I don't like in mtgo, like the edit of the card textbox, UI, bots to test your decks, and etc.
Being free is definitely an advantage, but I do buy shit to get cards in Pokemon tcg online, I can see myself doing the same for mtg, if it was anywhere near as good.

>>50135855
It's a pain in the ass to do everything manually, even updates.

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>>50135878
Looks like you got the Farseek, but there's also Ranger's Path, Skyshroud claim and Nature's Lore and even more.

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>>50135923
thanks for all the words and recommendations

>should be decent for fun kitchen table games if you play them against one another, but optimization is a nightmare.
that's what i'm looking for, kitchen-table tier stuff. there has been one maelstrom wanderer and he stomped one game then never brought that deck back again. some of our players run unmodified precons like walker Ob Nix

>Just make sure you have a good focus nailed down or you're going to find yourself pulled into too many directions at once.
pic related and everything that implies, plus temur ascendancy and some charms

>>50136081
The more power to you. Stuff like Traverse the Ulvenwald and the new cards with basic land cycling should help smooth it out for kitchen-table fun. Mulch might be decent too depending on how many lands you run.

>>50133153
You should take an updated photo soon

So I was playing animar and he got picked on in the meta to the point where I couldn't get anything up off the ground. So I recently changed the deck to suit Maelstrom wanderer and what a deck that you just can't do shit about. It's great. The deck seems to actually just play itself.

>>50136225
I mean, that's pretty much Wanderer. You just ramp, ramp, ramp and then end the game.

>>50135787
>bitching about price
why would you care? you are not making it are you?

>>50135664
Aren't you the one who always posts this for attention?

>>50136324
no, that would be me
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kalemne-sitter-of-faces/

>>50136296
Yeah it's fun to just see the frustration of my opponents

>>50136324
dunno m8, I just threw this list together about 8 hours ago, and I haven't posted on /tg/ in a few months.

but I suppose it could be me.

>>50136364
My bad man. You're good. Play what you like. The deck could use some trimming down unless you are shooting for "all the best cards".

>>50136353
Ah.
I did not miss you.

>>50136363
I tossed around the idea of a Wanderer deck for a while, but I came to the conclusion that it would end up too same-y and I'd get bored fast. And Wanderer is generally a pretty expensive deck, which is not something I would want to get bored of.

Although this did come of my search for cheaper card options.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ultra-budget-maelstrom-wanderer/

>>50136386
>The deck could use some trimming down unless you are shooting for "all the best cards".
trimming down is probably what I'm looking for. the "all the best cards" was more of a starting point to try and improve upon and make a more focused deck.

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>>50132766
Fuck yeah Vish was my first commander. Just got him a Kokusho, Mana Crypt, and black gearhulk
>>50132881
>haven't even played my most recent deck (Hanna) yet
>have most of another deck assembled and crafting 2 more
the struggle is real

>>50134322
Out of curiosity is this for an Ulasht deck?

>>50135923
>The general consensus is that their shtick is done better by other generals
>general consensus
It's pretty much just /edhg/ that thinks that. Every other forum I've been is overwhelmingly of a differing opinion.

>losing slots to manafixing
not necessarily, if you fork out the dough for a killer manabase then you shouldn't have to worry about fixing; that's why most tournaments (at least the ones i've been to) have 3 or 5 color decks placing 1st almost every time. In budget, you will undoubtedly need fixing though. In my experience it comes down to basically 9 rocks/fetches and a joiner adept. I say this because I used to run Scion with only basics, 5 tri-lands, 9 rocks/fetches and a joiner adept, and now I kind of regret forking out for the manabase because I honestly don't see too much of a difference in the powerlevel of the deck.

>>50136797
I meant general consensus around here.

>>50136501
I never appreciated how detailed and nice and realistic that artwork is because the dumb card it was put on.

>>50136797
>>50136815
although i do like it here edhg is wrong more often than not

>>50136797
>Every other forum I've been is overwhelmingly of a differing opinion.
i don't get out much, what is the opinion of these other places? i'd be okay with a short summary of each deck

>>50135720
you are better off running other artifact rocks that give you all four different kinds of mana like coalition relic, chromatic lantern, commander sphere, darksteel ingot and gilded lotus. signets are too narrow. yidris has access to green so you can get ramp spells like cultivate, farseek, kodama's reach, and explosive vegetation to fix your mana.

Not purely about EDH, but I was just testing a deck against the AI on Xmage and suddenly, without the AI playing a card, my library, grave, hand, and exile went completely empty. I had been playing against a Daxos deck and a Krenko deck, both of which I had built myself. Neither of them had any way to do anything like this. It was like a sudden freak change. I looked at the play log, and it showed nothing. The game went as normal to my turn where I just lost because I had somehow been decked out. Is this an error anyone else has encountered?

>>50132815
You just my respect man

#durdleforlife

>>50137056
i think the precon has commander's sphere and chromatic lantern
what i'm afraid of is:
>cast big guy
>cascade into ramp
>cast another guy
>cascade into color fixing
how do i avoid this

>>50136870
I find the contrary the the magic players on /tg/ are unfortunately correct more often than not because we're not concerned about accidentally stepping on toes and insulting someone's favorite card or the special deck his brother gave him before he blew his fucking head off or some other stupid sob shit that we don't really care about.

People here call it like they see it and I find it refreshing compared to the sugar coated foam padded rooms other MTG forums offer

>>50137216
you will inevitably face that situation during some games, its the nature of the beast. the best thing you can do is find the right balance of mana rocks and ramp spells to have in your deck so that that there is a higher chance of you hitting threats every time you cascade. still, cascading into a ramp spell that thins your deck or into a gilded lotus will never be bad.

>>50137216
There really isn't much way to do so. That's something you run the risk of in decks with a heavy random element, and Yidris will have to run more color fixing than something like Maelstrom Wanderer would, so you have a greater risk of hitting your ramp or fixing when you don't want to. Luckily, Yidris gives all of your held spells cascade for the rest of turn, so if you have the mana, you'll have more chances to hit pay dirt.

>>50136952
From what I gather most think along the lines of: Breya or Atraxa will be the strongest, albeit both aren't all that unique. Breya is nice because There's a lot of Esper and Jeskai artifact synergy and now you get both. Atraxa isn't all that unique but is pretty versatile.
Saskia is the most underpowered of the bunch, and a real dropped ball, all things considered. I personally find Saskia builds to be interesting though (a lot of "When a player loses the game, do X").
Yidris is the most unique of the bunch, and the most fun to build around, but by no means going to be high-tier general.
Gaybois I actually haven't heard anyone expressing particular opinions on, but I have seen more talk about builds and decklists for K&T than any other commander (like, significantly more). Not sure why that is, since nobody seems to be profoundly blown away by it. I'm getting K&T myself, because I've wanted to play communism.dec for a long time but I genuinely don't like any of the other group hug commanders. I wonder if that's why other people are getting it.

>>50135319
Assuming you mean Kemba, Brimaz is orders of magnitude better than she is, even in a full build-around equipment deck.

>>50137220
If anything, it's just the modern general and spoiler threads that I find are more often incorrect. Other than that, the whole "/tg/'s bad at Magic" meme is actually pretty off base.

>>50137216
It's something that's going to happen, however you can take a few steps to mitigate it.

Having no more than 10 pieces of ramp/rocks, for example, will ensure you will [probably] have a piece in your opening hand, but shouldn't cascade into them very often.

Sensei's Divining Top will also help, because you can stack an activation on top of your cascade.

make sure you have a superb curve.

And last but not least, make sure every card is of significant value. Each card should be able to act well on it's own, while also advancing your plan. Each card you put in Yidris should make you go, "Man, I'm glad this is here" about 75% of the time.

>>50137347
well i find at least some portion of /tg/ to be assuredly awful at the game, on the other hand there are a few good eggs that have a solid grasp

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Has anyone had experience with pic related?
I've thought about putting it in my voltron deck to recur all my utility dudes

>>50137216
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>>50137326
As was said, it's unavoidable.
Consider this too: Play a 7 cmc spell; cascade into a 1 cmc spell. There are a whole slew of unfortunate things you can cascade into. Don't think you're cascading to cheat out big stuff, think of it like you're cascading to screw up the gameplay in your favor, regardless of what you get. The effect is on cast, so against a control deck you're practically forcing every spell you cast to be effective in some way or another, and that's just one example of how it's beneficial. It's about value, not about overpowering.

>>50137332
I was infatuated with Saskia at first, but in testing, I started to notice under powered her ability could be in multiplayer games. I'd imagine she can be good in politics, but unless you can swing hard and often, you won't be able to kill everyone off. It's like playing Xenagos. You might oneshot one or even two players with her ability, but you won't usually win in the long haul.

My opinion of Breya has improved, as I've started to look at her as a stick with options that gives you access to lots of artifacts synergies.

Yidris was another one I was taken by, but after a while, his ability and his cost started to seem like too much to work through to get genuine value out of him. He's cool and interesting, but a handful.

Atraxa is certainly solid on her own, and she lends herself to several viable strats, such as 1/1 counters, infect, and superfriends. She may be a little boring on her own, but she can initiate some fun interactions and build combos.

K&T are a hard one for me. Nothing about them truly stands out to me. They're certainly grouphug, but they don't provide you all that much more benefit. I still feel like Zedruu makes for a much better grouphug commander because she lends herself to a solid strategy, while K&T are probably the purest grouphug out there. They give equally to all.

>>50137448
>not only playing 7 drops in your maelstrom wanderer deck

it's like you want to lose really.

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I posted this in the last thread but have made a couple changes and would like some additional suggestions. Swapped out Rupture Spire, Wall of Blossoms, and the Fellwar Stone for Birds of Paradise, Cultivate, and Fireshrieker respectively. I know I could probably use better lands, but I want to play test the idea some first so I know I enjoy it before I make that investment.

What is edhg's opinion on Ghastly conscription vs Hedonist's Trove? I've swapped in the latter for right now because there is relatively little enchant hate in the local meta and the effect survives creature-based fieldwipes, but the former could possibly be an I win button against zoos in late game. Thoughts?

>>50137434
I use it in an Ayli deck to reanimate and then sac all my clerics

Uh, it hasn't come up yet since I've only played it 3 times. It looks pretty neat though!

Similar and probably better cards include Rally the Ancestors, Wake the Dead, and Immortal Servitude

But unless you're running a lot of utility dudes and ways to fill your GY, you should probably stick with Phyrexian Reclamation or Oversold Cemetery or Unburial Rites or Dread Return or something similar

>>50137506
wow good job self
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/adjusted-yidris-deck/

>>50137216
Don't play cascade

>>50137480
Breya already has infinito combo. She is the best for me. Also atraxa screams stax, but having a 4 color manabases while playing stax is just too much

>>50137480

The difference between Saskia and Xenagos is when your 64/64 hexproof, trample, haste Hyrda Omnivore swings in, it hits everyone...

>>50137610
>Hyrda Omnivore
And getting it that big will be much harder in Saskia in the first place (unless you happen to have Xenagos out too, but at that point, just play Zenagos for more efficiency). And that's not really a difference between Saskia and Xenagod, Hydra Omnivore hits everyone anyway, it just hits one guy really fucking harder than the rest.

>>50137565
Cascade is just one of those really cool mechanics that looks great on paper, but can be really tough to manage in practice.

>>50137367
>make sure every card is of significant value. Each card should be able to act well on it's own
>Each card you put in Yidris should make you go, "Man, I'm glad this is here" about 75% of the time.
>>50137448
>It's about value, not about overpowering.

thanks for all the tips anons this is good
one thing though. i'm bad at magic though and don't know how to judge what is value, i just put in things like charms and temur ascendancy

>>50137519
for example i can't judge a decklist
army of the damned looks expensive
why do you have just one extra turn spell why not load up on them?
you can't put in white cards as that's not in color identity
i think your gameplan gets hindered by a single eldrazi titan i hate those three, if not for them mill would actually be okay

>i have the scourge print dragon mage sitting around
>hey this fucker'll be perfect for my dragons & wheels deck
>did not notice they are reprinting that card in the precon
welp

>>50137565
but i want to play the ogre wizard he looks f u n

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>tfw sitting here using a ghost mouse program to click this at 10x speed for the past 15 minutes

I just wanted the biggest fucking Aetherborn Marauder to ever grace this field without going infinite ;_;

Not even sure just how many triggers this are. Almost I didn't also have Doubling Season out.

>>50137653

But I mean, as you said, you can get an even greater effect than Saskia (hitting all the opponents rather than just one) with much greater efficiency when using Xenagos.

Saskia really underwhelms me. If her ability was "all opponents" it would probably be really broken, just I feel one opponent is kinda bland and if your group isn't keen on politics (as mine is) it will have no effect but to get you killed faster.

>>50137729
For sure, that's why I say I'm pretty let down by her after testing. She's a decent creature on her own, but she doesn't shine in the long run. She's a decent amount of damage up front though.

>>50137729
I still keep thinking Saskia was a typo or something and she was meant to say all damage dealt to the chosen opponent is dealt to everybody. The ability as it is doesn't make any sense. The issue isn't how hard you can hit somebody in commander. It's that you have to hit 3 other people that hard. I know they know that. They designed Myriad and Melee. I think Saskia is fine, she is a cheap damage doubler and is a pretty efficient attacker on her own. But her ability feels totally strange as a card that was designed explicitly to make an aggressive go-wide strategy work in commander.

>>50137672
>why do you have just one extra turn spell why not load up on them?
I very heavily considered loading up on extra turn and combat cards, but since I mostly play with the same few people, I feel obligated to make a deck that is also fun to play against (whatever that means to them), or they may not want to do so anymore. I do have three though, and one of them shuffles back into my library.
>you can't put in white cards as that's not in color identity
My bad, totally thought I just couldn't produce white mana.
>i think your gameplan gets hindered by a single eldrazi titan i hate those three, if not for them mill would actually be okay
I know. I hate them too.

>>50137805
>>50137672
Honestly, I think the three new titans are much better anyway. They're still bullshit, but in a lesser way. Annihilator is such and asshole mechanic, and the shuffling back is the bane of mill, an already almost impossible strat in EDH.

>>50137783

>Melee

Come to think of it, what if she was just a more powerful version of Adriana.

>Vigilance, Haste
>Creatures you control have melee
>Whenever Saskia attacks, Populate

I think that would be flavorful, powerful, but not too OP.

>>50137899
>>Whenever Saskia attacks, Populate
l-lewd

>>50137875
>an already almost impossible strat in EDH.
Funny you should mention. I was playing with this stupid little Grafwidow Delirium deck in my playgroup that had keening stone out to put things in the graveyard, and one of the other players was digging through their deck cheating out creatures.

When they noticed that said player, who had been dominating the game, had 30 cards in their graveyard, it became this hilarious countdown of laughter has that player kept trying to get it off the board and everyone else at the table countering his artifact destruction.

I'm almost sad that the Grafwidow player didn't win.

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>>50137905
Death by snu snu!

>>50137783
I think her wording was chosen to be functional in 1v1 magic as well as multiplayer

>>50137937
I recently almost won a game by decking out two players after my attacks were stunted by a Spore Frog, only to lose the to the remaining player. I posted a greentext about it last thread I think.

>>50137937
>>50137875

>tfw my Sigarda Enchantress deck couldn't stop drawing cards and I actually milled myself.

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>>50138106
>tfw drawing the entire deck with Null Profusion, then realizing you don't know how to get rid of it

>>50138106
"i literally can not stop drawing cards" < u

>>50137506

Both those cards are complete and utter trash you should forget both and find something actually good

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>>50138106
>>50138151
I've milled myself out in Niv-Mizzet plenty of times.

>>50138189
but i like hedonist's trove
i tried to use it in standard

>>50137672
>I'm bad at magic
it's going to be rough then; building around cascade is a very difficult thing to do as it's very hard to get a synergy going (most people don't even bother and just run goodstuff) and a lot of the deck's true potential is unlocked by correctly balancing the mana curve. Even I can't tell you how to balance the mana curve for Yidris, and I wont be able to until I've actually built and played him, probably for a couple months.

>>50133271
First commander and definitely favorite commander

>>50138398
Honestly, Slobad is so unassuming that if I saw him, I'd be scared of what was under the hood. I'd at least be weary of him because he can jury rig up a combo out of nowhere.

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>>50132881
Holy shit this but slightly modified I am always thinking of ways to improve and/or change the central them or wincons and playing to feel which strategy I like most so far my very first homebrewed Karametra deck has been severly overhauled probably 4 or 5 times and I still feel there is more possibilities.

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>group wants to change up things and suggests we build tiny leaders
>decide to build ezuri elfball since I had him sitting unused
>proceed to win the first game
>group decides they don't like it so they dismantle their decks

I thought people were joking when they said this format is dead

>>50137899
That would be shit. Nix Melee and make it Battalion "Whenever Saskia and at least two other creatures attack, Populate for each attacking creature.

>>50138189
Okay well I went and looked around for a few cards with similar effects, stop me when I get to something good. Crypt Incursion? Jund Charm? Living Eng? um... Help?

>>50138656

Are you looking for graveyard hate? I'm confused

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Posting my list trying to decide whether to brew colorless kozzileck next or Extort theme

>>50138677
I am, a card capable of debilitating other decks with grave manipulation and/or helping me more directly, but when you put it like that maybe it should go in the sideboard

>>50138707
Bojuka Bog. It's a land and graveyard hate! I run it in every deck with black.

>>50138732
I love it!
now to find out how I messed up my keyword search bad enough to miss this

>>50138707
The best graveyard hate is bojuka bog, tormod's crypt, and relic of progenitus. Grafdigger's Cage can lock down decks dependent on graveyard recursion but it also affects you.

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This card looks pretty spicy for any deck that runs few to no basics. I might put it in Yidris and replace one of each basic with a snow covered one so I'd have 3-4 of each of my basics and rarely run into 2.

>>50138769
Also even though it is worse nihil spellbomb also works well

>>50138707

First of all, sideboards in edh?

Gy hate is worth having in edh, although I suppose if you're playing with sideboards you should take advantage of that and relegate gy hate to the sideboard

My actual question was are you really running hedonists trove to hate on somebody's gy? Just run tormod's crypt

There are better cards to take advantage of somebody else's graveyard as well. If you're willing to spend 7 mana on hedonists trove, which is a 7 mana sorcery speed tormod's crypt unless you invest even more mana, you might as well pay 9 for rise of the dark realms, which is a huge play when it resolves, unlike hedonists trove which is just overcosted gy hate when it resolves

And as for the manifest card, is just complete shit, its soooooo much worse than rise of the dark realms, why do you want 2/2's? Why do you want to have to pay mana costs to flip them back to normal creatures? It's ludicrous. Honestly one of the worst cards of all time for edh, it actually makes hedonists trove look great in comparison

What's a good strategy to beat Meren and/or Kruphix? I have a couple of guys who play them near exclusively at my LGS and I want to have a fighting chance against them.

>>50138867
If it won't affect you and they are reliant on etb triggers, torpor orb and hushwing gryff. Run the typical gy hate against meren

>>50138867
>Meren
Dedicated grave hate. No grave, no recursion. Meren becomes GB good stuff deck without the graveyard, which is much more manageable.

>Kruphix
I have no idea. How does the deck play?

>>50138800
Do other people not have sideboards? Fascinating

Rise of the Dark Reams does look like exactly what I wanted and I am totally willing to pay the 2 extra mana. That and Bojuka Bog are both going to end up in there, thanks anons

>>50138792
I do that in my 5-color deck.

10 basics
10 shocks
5 KTK fetches
2 ETB fetches
5 utility lands
7 any-color lands

It's a good card and fits the deck theme. Almost all of my 1, 2, and 3cmc slots are filled with ramp and card draw, so it fits well alongside my other cantrips like Brainstorm, Impulse, Worldly Counsel, Forbidden Alchemy, and Mystical Teachings

>>50138800
As
>>50138945
>>50138917
Said, grave hate for Meren. What colors are you in though? What are you running? Can you get away with stuff that hurts your grave too, or do you need more targeted hate?

Meren can usually be weakened by hitting her grave hard with things like Bojuka Bog, Leyline of the Void, and Austere Command, but you still need to be careful after that. She'll lose grave recursion, which hurts a lot, but she'll probably still have quite a bit of good stuff and toolbox-y things since she's in GB, the second most consistent color combo in EDH.

As for Kruphix, what kind of deck is it? I'll assume it's just UG good stuff, in which case you'll need some heavy taxing effects. These can hurt Meren too, but expect to be hated for it.

>>50138998
sideboards aren't actually legal in the format

>>50138998
Most of the time, no. It's considered poor form by most. Your deck is usually spacious enough to accommodate silver bullets and counters in the mainboard. I'd say that a side is against the spirit of the format, but it's up to individual play groups. I don't think they're technically legal by the official rules, but who cares? EDH is a home rule format anyway.

>>50139167
Fascinating! Thank you!
...Now how do I scrunch my sideboard in there? Sigh

>>50139147
I've really only been playing the Freyalise and Daretti precons because I haven't had the money to actually build a deck yet. I really enjoy Esper so I was thinking about Oloro.

>>50139147
Also I should mention that I really don't care for their attitudes in general and this deck is going to be for the sole purpose of beating them, I have some other decks that I've play tested online that aren't full of hate that I'm going to make for general play.

>>50138707
>>50138800
>>50138998
>>50139167
>>50139181

All my decks have sideboards. You don't change out cards during a meetup. You change out cards at home to better fit the meta.

For instance, I have a lot of Island hate for my Zada deck and I only slot them if I know I am going to a meta filled with blue or Three color generals.

>>50139250
If you're doing it at home you aren't sideboarding; you're just changing cards out from your collection

>>50139212
I see, so you're not in very good colors for GY hate it looks like. Luckily, you can use Tormod's Crypt, Relic of Progenitus, and Grafdigger's Cage, which are decent in Daretti since he can recur them whenever Meren starts to build her grave up again. Daretti can make for a pretty good stax deck, which would help take some wind out of their sails. Throw in some wincons like Blightsteel Colossus and Wurmcoil and you're good to go.

Also, I'd avoid Oloro. He's a snoozefest for everyone involved, including the pilot.

>>50139250
Ah, that's different. My decks usually have some flex slots or cards that I can swap out based on the meta. You should always tune your decks to your local meta.

>>50139212
ollo a shit, spend the cash on singles instead

>>50139282
By Oloro I don't mean the precon, I mean building an actual deck

>>50137216
If you're sorted for mana, Selective Memory can exile all of your null-cascade cards from your deck, meaning you'll strike gold more often after that.

>>50139277
I can spend around $500 on a deck now that my financial situation is a bit better, any suggestions for commanders and/or tech that could help with what I'm going for?

>>50138612

Populating for each attacking creature would be waaay too OP (at least if it were for free). That would make the exponential growth on Krenko and Rhys look small in comparison.

>>50139335
that seems boss
butt also a dead card in 50% of circumstances
nice suggestion anon but probably win more

>>50139342
It depends. Do you want to go all in on this meta-stomper deck, do you want to put it toward something you'll enjoy, or do you want to spread your funds out more?

Daretti or Slobad is a pretty solid investment for stax, or you could go the dick route with a certain bant bird who everyone loves to hate. I'd avoid that though. It's overdone.

If you want to spend that chunk of change on a more fun deck, then there are loads of options. Or you can spread that dough out on some lesser decks that are still fun.

>>50139436
Like I said in one of my previous posts, I do have some other decks in the works (Zada, Elesh Norn, Norin as of right now) and I want one to pull out against these guys specifically.

Any commanders good for just making multiplayer games better? Group Hug or Politics Types?

>>50139478
Ah, missed that part. In that case, how do you personally feel about stax? There are two routes you can go with this if you want to beat them down especially hard. You can either go stax and slow them down while you build up to a wincon (which you can pretty easily upgrade Daretti into, as he doesn't need a super expensive manabase being in monobrown for the most part), or you can start an arms race by making even more OP shit like Animar combo, Mikaeus combo, or some such. Mikaeus can actually be made pretty cheap as well, while still being tryhard as fuck. We're talking blistering speed combos with lots of redundancy.

So I guess it comes down to this: do you want to make those games against them end fast by just declaring you have a combo, at which point you pretty much win, or do you want to drag it out and make them suffer until you kill them slowly?

>>50139481
Politics are great if your group is into it. Zedruu is one I would suggest. Make deals with different players and hand out good stuff and bad stuff to make alliances or declare war, all while benefiting from your "gifts" that you give. Zedruu can both be group hug and a curse machine.

>>50139569
I like being a dick in magic as much as I like having fun, fair games (I love hate cards and cards that make it so people can't hit me). I have wanted to try a good stax deck for a while. I am also very much open to a combo deck, I was eyeing a Karador stax/combo hybrid as well. I would really prefer a more drawn out game because as much as I dislike them I still like Magic (that and I'm sadistic).

>>50139660
Then in that case, I'd either upgrade Daretti to a full stax build, go for Derevi because maximum asshole tapdowns, or you can try out that Karador build if it tickles your fancy. Derevi is likely one the best, if not the best, stax commander out there, but to be super efficient, his manabase would cost a pretty penny. If you want to invest in it, it'll be good for a long time though. You can instead go for the mono-colored stax decks like Daretti or Teferi.

For your money's worth, Mikaeus is a combo deck that will play efficiently and won't cost you a terrible amount, leaving you more funds for other decks. However, he ends games fast, so I guess that isn't quite what you want.

I'd go take a look at EDHrec for some of the commanders I mentioned and maybe look at some of the more highly rated builds that focus on stax on tappedout for now. I'm not a huge expert on stax, but I know what makes most of them tick.

>>50139769
The only issue I have is having a planeswalker as the commander, it always gets hated out or can't be protected

>>50139769
I have actually tried Mike combo, didn't really enjoy it. Also, I've read through the stax primer on the Salvation forums and have a decent grasp on it just haven't had a chance to test it.

>>50139826
That's why I personally avoid planeswalkers. People tend to hate them out fast. Go the more unassuming route with Slobad or something. I've seen some strong combo lists for him, a few from around here.

>>50139856
Mike isn't exactly fun. He's a tryhard game ender that can either force and arms race or ruin a playgroup if they aren't into tryhard stuff.

>>50139598
Group is certainly into politics. Zedruu used to be a deck that existed in the play group but the player has since moved on to dick combo. I was thinking of the new four color, the nonblack one? Any ideas?

>>50139958
I haven't had a chance to explore the options for K&T yet. They seem like a pretty pure group hug, and less politics though. They give out free stuff indiscriminately. Each player can get free stuff without your input or choosing. No deals are made, they just receive as you do. I'm sure something can be made of it, but K&T themselves don't let you cut too many deals on their own. I'll probably look into them more later.

>>50139998
Pheldigrif then maybe? Take the purple hippo and give gifts when I can?

>>50134647
Not the same anon you replied to, but I always like to have a combination of sweet combo cards (Jodah's Avenger, Beguiler of Wills, Devoted Druid, etc.) alongside counter-based value (Vigor, Chasm Skulker, Master Biomancer.) Can post my list if you like.

>>50140022
Hippo is a classic and can be good for group hug and politics. You can get pretty political with Gwafa Hazid as well. Make deals where you get players to let you put counters on their stuff. They can't harm you with a creature, and they get cards. Winning becomes a fun puzzle of how you can exploit the deals you make and how you can worm your way around them, eventually ending with betrayal (by or against you).

>>50140022
>>50140075
Oh, and make sure you have cards like Trade Secrets that give you lots of interaction and put choices into the hands of both parties. Telepathy is also nice. The only one with secrets will be you.

>>50140105
>>50140075
Both sounds like great options. Think Ill try out Gwafa, haven't seen him in the play group and it seems like the kind of political game we could use. Any tech pieces to be aware of?

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>>50132766
longest run I still have is Jolrael, who's undergoing a second overhaul: first time was removing combat tricks for more ramp. Now I'm cutting down on how many creature types <hopefully not far past elemental and hydra> and probably shaving total creature count down for more ramp.

My first commander was blue braids, but I just couldn't justify keeping her, since I'm already an archenemy-level target at my main LGS to play at, and when anyone saw her, it always immediately tendered a reaction of, "Oh, shit, one free dude is enough for me, I don't wanna see what anon's gonna drop if it gets back around to his turn!"

>>50140130
Maybe something like Hunted Phantasm or Intuition and lots of bounce effects. Some counters would be good too. Martial Law and Propaganda effects should help keep you safe too. After that, Azor's Elecutors makes for a flavorful wincon. Get heavy on the political flavor since Gwafa fits well with it.

>>50140130
Oh, and Perplexing Chimera and Donate.

>>50140217
What would the donate target be? Does celestial dawn still work for that? or did the rule change break that.

>>50140217
>>50140130
Intellectual Offering too. I keep remembering good ones. There are quite a few political cards in blue.

>>50140239
Ill take any recommendations you have, blue is not my normal color.

>>50140228
I think it still works, but I'm unsure. You can run some more detrimental cards to give away similarly to Zedruu as well, or you can forgo the Donate effects and stick to deals that you manage from your side of the board.

>>50140255
I'm not too used to actually playing grouhug myself, so I don't have too much to give you, only what I've seen first hand. I'd check EDHrec and see what else they have for Gwafa, Hippo, and Zedruu and see if any of their cards in Gwafa's colors appeal to you.

>>50140255
If I may add, load up on cards with Will of the Council or Join Forces cards. The last Conspiracy set has loads of good cards to get players voting, which are perfectly in flavor for Gwafa and fall in line with politics. Take to the court and plead your case to get players to vote how you wish, promising them things in exchange.

>>50140258
Ill see what can be done on that front, though I think I will be a bit lean on donate effects.
>>50140268
Good idea, ill certainly consult that when assembling.
>>50140284
Ooh, forgot about voting, I think Brago's representative was in white, give myself an edge at the polls.

I want to make a grouphug deck that slowly builds power unnoticed until it's too late, someone talk to me about Selvala

>>50140296
Yeah, fill up on Council's Dilemma as well, along with a bunch of the cards that affect voting, like Ballot Broker.

>>50140317
Any decent ways of moving counters between creatures? The bribes stay around so moving them to new threats might be useful.

Is a mixed Voltron-Infect-Superfriends deck with a bit of control and flicker a good idea for Atraxa?
I was thinking about flickering Ichor Rats, Deepglow Skate and Planewalkers (when Doubling Season hits the field) and some charge counter based equip, +1+1 counter based equip and grafted exoskeleton to pump up Atraxa and finally Planeswalkers with some built-in wincon and protection/buffs for Atraxa.

>>50140341
Not off the top of my head. I'm pretty tired though so I'll probably shove off for the night and catch some sleep. Try doing some digging around for cards that will let you do that though.

G'night, /edhg/.

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>>50140347

Are you me? I'm having the same issues with her, I can't decide which direction to go. I only like a few infect cards, I don't have/want to get a full suite of walkers, and I have other decks that do tokens and counters already.

I am taking a voltron-ish route with her. I will have some planeswalkers and at least Tainted Strike and Phyresis to lay down some poison counters. Umezawa's Jitte with proliferate is a machine-gun.

I also am looking at interesting potential in also removing/redistributing counters. There are a few options available that can remove/move any type of counter. I am imagining abusing some stax effects by moving charge and age counters around on different players turns.

Lastly, I really want to slip pic-related in. I can imagine using it if I need to go wide. If Doubling Season is out, it becomes a threat that has to be removed or else I could potentially create massive numbers of very big tokens, very quickly.

>>50140347
KAYA
GHOST
ASS

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>>50140341

>>50140341
Fate Transfer and leech bonder for unusual counters. Since gwaffa isn't black, leech bonder is your best bet. I haven't run leech bonder + Aurification yet, but it seems like a fun premise you might consider.

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If I equip a wall with Warmonger's Chariot can it still attack? Some cards say walls can not attack and I don't know if that is separate from defender or not.

>>50140610
the old wall cards were errata'd to have defender. it works

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>>50140467
She can go so many directions i can't decide wich way to go so i thought about including a little bit of everything, but i still leave out energy counters, there's a fuckload of stuff that Atraxa is good with. I'm also including in a bunch of counter based cards that can become pretty broken with a couple of proliferate effects on the field like pic related: with Atraxa and another two proliferate effects i can go for infinite turns

>>50140635
Ah thanks a lot!

I can now realize my dreams of wheeling a very large steel wall towards my friends and dropping it onto them!

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>>50140666
go get'em


FYI

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>>50140691
yep got that in the deck.

Got this big guy in there too.

Just trying to figure out what to remove right now, I may have gone overboard on the walls.

So I finally picked up a doubling season, Oracle of Mul Daya, Top and Evolutionary Leap, what should I cut from my ghave deck? List here
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ghave-guru-of-value-1/

>>50141136
My votes are for Grave Betrayal, Diabolic Revelation, and Teneb,the Harvester

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gotta replan the entire way i present my decks now thanks to her, but i got the sexy bitch on the bottom left recently.

my playgroup is pretty casual, but fiercely into fucking each other over as dramatically as possible. anything F U N?

>>50133153

I get an erection every time you post this.

>>50140051
Not any of those anons but I've taken interest to Kraj. Problem is that I already have two infi-combo decks (Nin artifacts and Mazirek) and is the only reason why Im hesitant on building Kraj. At the same time: he's the only remotely interesting Simic general aside from Kruphix that I'd consider building.

Tl;dr - Sell me on Kraj; list plz.

Okay I've got a decent list of "free" spells to run
>Force of will, misdirect, gush, ricochet trap, ect
but I've found that a good number of the ones I want to run want me to bounce or sac a land of a type to cast.
Does changing the partner to a UG legend so I have access to cards like Rite of Flourishing, Burgeoning, prismatic omen, land tutors, be a good solution here, or would this strain my mana base further by leaving grixis for not-white?

>>50141809
Ricochet trap never becomes free, it just costs R instead.

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Alright, /tg/. My meta has been growing more control-ish lately and i want to fix it the best way.

By beating everyone to death with uncounterable, unpreventable, invincible wall of pure Timmy goodness.

What are the spiciest techs i can put in Surrak? I already have Spellbreaker Behemoth, Vicious Shadows, Siege Behemoth, Ruric-Thar and Lurking Predators. Vigor too, since we have Mizzix and she's a little shit.

>>50142017
ruric thar, archetype of endurance

you could also get pyroblast and red elemental blast for an additional fuck you to blue players

>>50142026
Is it worth it to invest in tokens/ Eldrazi temple? I was thinking about doing either that or Holy trio of graveyard recurrence (Eternal Witness, Deadwood treefolk, greenwarden of Murasa), but both require additional card support.

>>50142067
>Eldrazi monument*
fuck.

>>50142073
I was really confused there for a while, Eldrazi Monument is great, you don't really need a lot of tokens to play it either, just value creatures like Eternal Witness, Wood Elf, Solemn, Yavimaya Elder etc are great.

>>50141809
Snuff Out is alright, although for obvious reasons can be useless (looking at Mikaeus/Ooze, Prosh//Oloro and others). Don't use it now but have had some good experiences.

On the other hand, I love Mental Misstep... it hits all the good tutors, ramp like Sol Ring and Mana Crypt or Dark Ritual and Crop Rotation, random hate like Relic of Progenitus and Grafdigger's Cage, random combo pieces like Voltaic Key or Wirewood Symbiote, annoying shit like Scullclamp Serra Ascendant or Weathered Wayfarer, stops a few common counterspells like Dispel and Swansong, stops fucking Fog or Ethereal Haze or Darkness, all whilst being easy fodder to discard or use with FoW or Misdirection.

>>50142017
>>50142026
oops you already have ruric thar

well you could also get something like bane of progress if there are too many enchantment or artifact scumbags. also consider a subtheme of creature tutors so you can easily access your utility creatures (hellkite tyrant, bane of progress, duplicant, balefire dragon)

>>50142067
really depends on the amount of board wipes and "destroy" effects. if your meta is mostly bounce and exile effects, then it probably won't be worth it.

Sorry, not Crypt, meant Vault. Also Swords and Path. Misstep is a great free card

>>50142093
Mental is strong sure, but I don't want that eating the trigger off Vial. 1 to an opponent is garbage.

>>50142103
bane of progress is good, but i'll be destroying my own enchantments too. There's just too much silly shit for it to not backfire horribly, plus Warstorm Surge is my pet card and i feel uncomfortable without it. I have targeted enchantment removal for dangerous stuff like necropotence.

>>50132766
First commander was Meren, because i got into the format late.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/meren-jank-1/

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>>50141462
Unfortunately my camera is out of action, so I'm stuck with my mobile camera for now.

Here is my second foil list. Warstorm Surge Animar.

>>50142377
Woops, said warstorm surge because of the comment above.

Obviously meant Primal Surge Animar!

>>50139481
Angus group fog, play constant mists and all the instant answers and king maker till you combo out

Having good fun with Anax and Cymede in a boros/soldier weenie deck.

Used to main Tajic as my commander but it felt a bit boring and easy to win with. Kept him in the deck though along with swords as an alternate win condition.

Also anyone tried a zombie edh recently? I feel that eldritch moon and innistrad added a bunch which could see some actual viability

I'm torn between building Atraxa or Breya. Proliferate and Artifact Recursion are two decks I have always wanted to make.

Do you guys know Commanders that have similar themes/colors so I can take a look at what they usually run?

>>50142784
I have tried it ages ago, it was awful. I'm currently building GG zombies&wizzards and I think it's gonna be better, since I'm now much better at deckbuilding than I was at that time.

>>50142847
Here's what I shat out for Atraxa.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/atraxas-best-friend-circle/

It's mainly superfriends, but with proliferate and infect thrown in.

It could honestly probably use a couple less walkers and a few more boardwipes. Maybe some basic lands. But it'll work for my playgroup.

You can shave a lot of the cost off with substituting the duals for other options.]

Are Silas+Kraum/Vial-Smasher now the best Grixis Artifacts commander?

>>50143078

Doesn't seem very strong to me

Mishra at least does a pretty serious thing if you jump through his hoops, whereas those partners are shit, Silas Renn is the only one who does something for an artifact deck and it's very low impact

>>50142383
that looks like my Animar's but no primal surge, I also added the untap Drake and vorniclex, man o'war? morph 3 color mana not elf dude, goblin matron, sakashima's student as well. have you considered those. I would like to hear how yours play or good places you have pulled besides throwing up your deck on to the table. just saw the drake...

>>50142935
Yeah, I can see a lot of people running superfriends, but I wanted to make use of more type of counters, although I will probably have around 10 walkers in my deck.

>>50143361
Magiccards.info is your friend. This is just a search for any artifact within Atraxa's colors, with the word "Counter" on it.

http://magiccards.info/query?q=ct%3Acounter+t%3A"artifact"+f%3Acommander+ci%3Awubg&v=card&s=cname

>>50141308
You must really like red.

>>50143361
>>50143684
Thinking about it, you could make a decent stax deck where your wincon is that "get 20 counters win the game" artifact. Atraxa is in all the right colors for tutors, ramp, card draw, and enchantments.

>>50143684
The problem is that there is a shitton of cards that uses counters, so magiccards doesn't really help in that aspect. So I wanted to know what people used, I am checking EDHREC for commanders that uses spore counters, charge counters, +1/+1 counters, poison counters, and etc. But since this is also taking a lot of time, I asked if anyone had something handy.

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>>50143361
See also: Parallax Wave, Luminarch Ascension, the verse counter enchantments, Yisan.

>>50143855
Thanks, this is the kind of stuff I am looking for, divinity counters, experience counters, energy counters, ki counters... Stuff that hasn't been done before because there was no proliferate commander.

>>50143966
If you want different counters, look at
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Counter_(marker)/List_of_Counters

>>50143966
Take a loof at Serrated Arrows, as it doubles in utility, since you can prliferate both the arrowhead counters and the -1/-1 counters.

>>50143966
Experience counters can be profiliferated. You can throw in last year': commanders and they can thrive off each other if you so desired. Obviously they don't really synergize well with the rest of the deck, but they're basically goodstuff in Atraxa.

>Omen Machine
>Gate To the AEther
>Knowledge Pool

Anything else to turn the game to a fucking slot machine?

>>50144462
possibility storm

>>50144462

Why would you do this tho?

Like you could just play slots? Why ruin a great game?

>>50144462
Hive Mind
Shared Fate
Eye of the Storm
Forced Fruition
Tide of War
War's Toll
Warp World
Grip of Chaos
Scambleverse
Thieves' Auction
Confusion in the Ranks

Teferi's Puzzle Box

What do you guys have comin in the mail?

City of Shadows babyyyy

>>50144750
Hasty Dragon package for my Dragonstorm Mizzix.

>>50144750
All of the 4color commander pre-cons.

After this friday, anyway.

>>50144750

Proteus Staff

Timesifter

Uba Mask

Knowledge Pool

Omen Machine

Perplexing Chimera

>>50145003
>Uba Mask
My nigga

How the hell do you afford all of those expeditions?

>>50144750
In what deck are you slotting it?

Also I'm still thinking about which precons to buy or if I'll pick up singles and how (since Wizards decided to fuck me up printing C16 in pt for the first time I WANT MY CARDS IN ENGLISH GODDAMNIT)

I'm trying to get into commander and get my gf into it as well. Are the new commander decks any good? My usual experience with sealed products is that they are very bad and I would usually be better off buying singles. I would like to get something which we could play on our store without changing every single card in the deck to be "competitive". I'm thinking about Yidris and my gf wants to try Saskia by the way.

>>50145232
The new commander decks are mediocre at best. You would be better off buying older precons.

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Thoughts on this badboy?

Hey TG, what do you think of the Kraj list I'm working with:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/experiment-kombo/

The deck actually started out as a joke, but after some tweaking it's actually become fairly competitive. I want to add the Grand Architect/Pili-Pala package, but I'm not sure what to cut. Only things I see that really don't work towards my overall goal is Venser, Elite Arcanist, and Brainstorm has been pretty underwhelming. I'm also debating on whether to pull Gyre Sage or Viridian Joiner for a Devoted Druid, and I'd like to fit one more solid counter in there if I can as well.

And yes I know the mana base needs work, just need to pick up a few of the pricier items for it. UG lands are expensive.

>>50145232
none of them are "great" but remember that the overall power of a deck doesn't matter *that* much. what matters is the overall power level of the group you play in, and making sure your deck fits into that group. you wouldn't bring an optimized animar combo deck to a casual table, and you wouldn't bring a goofy samurai tribal to a serious one.

winning isn't really the main focus of EDH for the vast majority of people. only a few mega-spike autismals (you will find some in this thread) see EDH as a competitive format.

buying a precon is definitely the cheapest way to get into the format, just make sure you don't buy one for a meta where it's very much outclassed. you can ask people at your LGS to play their more casual decks when you play with them, and if they aren't autists then they will oblige

>>50145628
good

>a single-use sac outlet
>big draw sometimes
>life

bad
>requires something to sac to get the benefits
>high cost if you can't utilize it right
>shit body
>no flash so you will always be down a creature when you use it

analysis complete: good in decks that deal with saccing, putting stuff in the grave and reanimation. will help out in draw and lifegain department. pretty bad in any other deck, wouldn't recommend for goodstuffy builds

that will be 20 bucks for the analysis

>>50145769
>>50145578
Thanks for the advice. I guess the issue here is we usually play in the largest shop of our city, with a group of very welcoming friends, so there are times where people play for fun, but sometimes people with a "its only fun if I win" mentality come around with singleplayer-style combo decks. I swear the fuckers would play eggs if it was possible.

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First commander decks ever was Chainer back in original Ravnica days, but ever since Lorwyn came out I've kept my whale/bear/tree/thing bro up to date, at least casually, making him the longest lasting.

I really want to get a cool alter of him but most are edgy or miss the point.

>>50145884
yeah those guys exist everywhere, and they just don't understand the concept of a group power level. i don't really know why, i guess they're just broken brained like that

either way you shouldn't worry about them. just ask them to play something casual. if they refuse, well, then you've just caught a real life spike and you can justifiably ask them to leave, or just leave yourself

>>50145137
City of Shadows is going in endrek sahr

The first commander deck I ever built was mogis. I just threw whatever I had together and hoped for the best.

I've been meaning to revisit that concept, and I have a neat Volrath deck that could easily be converted, but I just can't rationalize splashing red in an already solid deck only to get nothing out of it, particularly since I'd have to cut all my crazy devotion funstuff.

>>50146198
1) What is this card and why have I never seen it before jesus christ it doesn't even enter play tapped

2) Somebody else who plays Endrek wat. How is your list? Mine ended up I think a bit more competitive then intended, but it's just so insanely resilient. It's a big combo machine and playing the deck feels like you're assembling a puzzle, so much fun.

>>50145628

Incredible card in my Sedris deck, there's been a number of times I've sacrificed Sedris to it out of desperation and been rewarded with a clutch card I needed like forbid or toxic deluge

Another thing I like to do is have river kelpie + Sedris in play and unearth disciple of bolas, I draw for kelpie, sac kelpie drawing 3 gaining 3, then I draw another when kelpie persists

It's also amazing in my friend's meren deck

>>50145628

One of the best draw spells in my Rakdos Lord of Riot deck. I will sack a titan I played for free to draw 10+ cards and gain 10 life.

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>>50146371
Oh my endrek list started cheap as a cute idea to abuse sacrifice effects. Only after my first game did I realize the oppressive potential of this mother fucker.

Holy god, I want to just keep putting more and more time and money into turning endrek into a stax machine. Last time I played, I got carnival of souls to pay for a deathcloud w/ X=13. The best part is, I had so much life from blood artist/ gray merch, it didn't matter and I forced the table to play with literally nothing. Lake of the dead and city of Shadows are AMAZING, and aetherworks marvel does work.

My dream is to get smokestack into the double digits, but whenever I get close, they wipe before I can make it. Holy shit the value of crap like shriekmaw or like ancestral statue is RIDICULOUS

Pic unrelated.

>>50135957
xmage manages the rules engine for you. You just have to get used to the UI.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/some-rudiments-of-propriety/

So, my meta is flooded in green/black <most popular> or green/black/blue <close second> reanimator decks and huge dudes; if you wanna play spellslinger, you're gonna get styled on, because it's all about board state, and whoever doesn't stand tall gets targeted first as an easy kill. I, personally, don't like bunches of dudes, so I'm normally archenemy minus an extra deck, anyway. Will my new list help me stand up to 3 to 5 guys, or am I still cruisin' for a bruisin'? Any tips or suggestions?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kynaios-tiro-gay-huggers/

Ignore the maybeboard; I use it very liberally as both a "this-card is too expensive, otherwise it would be in the mainboard" list and a list of cards that used to be in the mainboard until I cut them.

Anything I'm missing in the deck? Tips/pointers? Miscellaneous questions?

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>>50146572
Mine isn't so much stax as it is just insane value. Secret all-star of the deck is Endless Cockroaches, and of course Phyrexian Altar. I absolutely love when people see me drop Cockroaches and go "why are you playing that shitty card?" only to see me flood the board with tokens/make infinite mana/mill everybody out/draw my deck etc. I'd post my list but I haven't updated it in quite some time. I'll try to update the list on tappedout and post it here a little later today. Would also love to hear any cool tech choices you have.

>>50144750
>>50146198
>>50146371
I have thought about making Yasova and putting City in her. I have them both, but never got around to it. How am I even suposed to build her?

>>50145955
Horde list?

>>50133960
That almost looks like a group hug commander except the colors don't seem like it.

>>50145884
It is though, there's enough eggs for a Silas Renn deck isn't?

>>50147143
Steal 'n' fling basically. If only she was Naya to have the fling giant on the 99.

>>50147288
Nekusar is more group slug, which is more fragile and dangerous if not kept in check.

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>>50146882
Play the card conspiracy to get around endrek's thrull rule. Use delraich and demon of deaths gate for insane value, following that with carrion for even more fuel. Run pox, smallpox, death cloud. Personally, flesh eater imp is a champ in this thing due to the pure oppression of "only I get creatures. Pic related is the decks mantra.

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>>50134647
His biggest strength (and weakness) is that it's really up to you what you throw in.

Want to play Hydras and stomp motherfuckers?
Hero's Bane, Primordial, Kalonian, and Fight Bear

Want to steal everyone's shit?
Cytoplast Manipulator, Simic Manipulator, Beguiler of Wills

Want to play U/G GoodStuff in Disguise?
See how big you can make Zegana before her draw trigger.

You want enter the Ninth Circle of Hell being an Artifact Shitter?
Pic related

Seriously you get Vorel, Gilder Bairn, and 97 other cards and you're set.

>>50147339
But I have already Brion. I want to steal shit and turn them to my advantage. I know that Bazaar Trader also helps with it, but I need more such things.
I wish I had Diamond Valley

>>50147739
Find some way to recur Life's Legacy, play Greater Good. There's probably some way to sac stuff for tokens or effects like Shivan Harvest too.

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>>50142017
Here try this.

>>50147579
Way ahead of you on most of those. If you're already running Conspiracy, you should try to get some extra mileage out of it. I run Basal Sliver (all slivers have sac: add BB to your mana pool, which becomes a better Phyrexian Altar effect) and Xathrid Necromancer (whenever a Human dies make a 2/2 Zombie token, the token is a human, it replaces itself, infinite sac triggers). Demon of deaths gate looks like a very solid choice as the reduced or free casting cost always helps when I'm trying to combo off. I also like playing Assault Suit to counteract his sac trigger, though if you don't have a sac outlet then having Endrek with the Assault Suit and more than 7 thrulls creates an unresolvable infinite loop and causes the game to end in a draw.

>>50148086
>>50148086
>>50148086
>>50148086
>>50148086

New thread.

>>50147761
I know of all that, I just want some decent ways to buff Yasova, so I can steal bigger shit

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/tg/, have you ever had a group that just had the same gameplay pattern no matter how much you try to help it? This is what happened in the last turn of our last game and it's what reached the tipping point of me actually being bored of the repetitive dynamic.

Meg: Durdles with his turn because his deck has some consistency issues.
Stewie: Plays crown of doom on an empty board.
Chris: Negates crown. Begin turn, tap out and pass.
Peter: Expropriate, take two turns, win the game.
Stewie: "I bet negating my crown of doom feels really smart right now."
Chris: "I don't have to play my cards the way you want me to."

This is the same pattern all of our games go through. Peter has just about every $20+ card in the format that has the potential to win the game by itself, but has made repeated efforts to tone down his decks, removing infinite combos, not using unfun cards, and trying to focus on interesting themes. Peter still consistently gets pushed into the lead. Meg does almost nothing. Stewie tries to put Peter under a small amount of pressure or disruption to slow him down without trying to instantly hate him out of the game, and Chris has the worst threat evaluation of an player that ever lived and kingmakes Peter by blowing his resources on Stewie and Meg for no reason.

At this point, I've tried talking to everybody and pointing out that this pattern is getting stale, but it doesn't make sense anymore to try to influence it rather than just let it be. What are some good strategies or commanders that would be fun to play in this kind of a group dynamic?

>>50149243
Become the second peter.

Don't have the money?

Make a deck that plays Peters deck. Thada Adel, clone themed Jeleva, stuff like that.
Become just as scary as peter is, Meg and Chris are a lost cause.

Are you Stewie? Or did you not include yourself in this situation? Because if you aren't Stewie this gets a lot easier (Since you will then have 3 non braindead players instead of 2).

Situations with people like Chris and Meg become way more tolerable when you stop thinking of them as players and more as planechase cards with random effects like "when you cast a spell, 50% chance of getting your spell countered" or "at the end of your turn, flip a coin, if heads, destroy a random enchantment/artifact/creature you control". It stops being a situation of wasted human potential and more a case of RNG fucking you over.

There is one guy at my LGS who I treat like this, he is genuinely the stupidest person I have ever met in my entire fucking life that is not actually mentally retarded. He's also a member of some christian cult and wears "jesus christ is your saviour" on his hat, t-shirt, backpack, sleeves, playmat, arm, leg and he probably a dozen more places I'm not interested in looking. He's the kind of guy who asks what a Sol Ring does after playing commander for three years. He's the kind of guy that tries to destroy your darksteel ingot while a mana reflection is on the table. He's the kind of guy who managed to make a maelstrom wanderer deck that doesn't fucking work.