>At last, the secrets of the Emperor's project beneath

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Kane?

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>>50111500
>Finally we will have a novel focused on the Emprah

Not sure if this is a good thing

>>50111522
KANE LIVES!

>>50111500
>Who is hyped?!
Aside from your fake enthusiasm, I'm not sure anyone is excited about new black library novels at this point.

Black Library books have recently been the death of the setting. Literally ruin everything.

Nobody is hyped

>>50111522
he's a big boss

>>50112561
>fake enthusiasm

Oh you. I am hyped as shit for it and al of the upcoming novels. These months are busy for 40K content.

>>50112341
Yeah. Writing about a quasi omnipotent and extremely inteligent being is not an easy thing as they shown in "the last church"

>>50111807
There's eight eyes on his armor, where is the 9th.

>>50112610
For the Emperor.

>>50111500
>>At last, the secrets of the Emperor's project beneath the Palace will be revealed, and you'll get a closer look at the Emperor Himself than ever before.

>The Emperor's secret project is to harness the power of daddy issues and he himself is secretly bald

>Written by ADB

>>50111500
>Kane
LIVES

>>50111500
>turns out Malcador is the actual Emperor, and the "Emperor" was simply one of the "missing" primarchs

Is Vulkan still dead?

>>50112940
Nah, he was revived in Deathfire.

>>50112940

Doesn't he get really angry after the breaking of the legions and tells his sons to find his lost artefacts if they ever want to see him again, then he fucks off nobody knows where?

>>50113071
greatest
primarch
ever

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>>50112692

>>50111500
>inb4 ADB pulls a matt ward and adds moar perpetuals or reveal the emperor has a brother or a dad from the Golden Men etc.

Seriously though I kind of wish there's a chapter where he takes like a 5 minute breather in some tiny inconspicuous bedroom unknown and overlooked to all, where he finally sheds his psycho/gene manipulated presence and turns back into some extremely tired old human man who rests for a bit admiring some of his personal keepsakes for memories before transforming back into the Godlike figure he is and getting back to work.

>ADB writing about Big E

get ready for Emperor being a Big Bad Daddy who's such a meanie

>>50113347
You're literally asking for "Emo Emprah" bait that would fill this board for the next three months. So no.

>>50113390
Can't wait for the strong female adept who don't need no power armor.

>>50113449
ADB said that he won't go into the orgins of the Emperor or reveal much about him. He says that might piss off /tg/ since /tg/ loves to have secrets revealed and lore explained.

say this with complete seriousness, not being entirely sure what the "clues" mentioned might be, that if you know the lore about the Emperor and the Webway from Horus Heresy: Collected Visions, then you have over 90% of the spoilers for the novel.

The people that hate this book the most will be the "reading the novels for information" types (especially on /tg/) who won't find immense revelations on the exact indisputable origins of the Emperor, or how Custodians are made, or anything like that. That's the kind of stuff that I directly avoided saying.

I didn't rewrite the history of the Night Lords in the Night Lords Trilogy. I didn't change up Armageddon in Heslreach or redefine the World Eaters with loads of secrets revealed in Betrayer. I tend to look at The Master of Mankind in those terms. Illuminating things on the ground level, through characters' eyes, not rewriting the event itself.

(...though, yes, there's a lot about the Emperor in it.)

------------------

As much as I love /tg/, it's taken a downturn the last few years with the rest of its parent site. But that's OT, so I'll shut up now.

-ADB

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page-9#entry4546943


/tg/ why have you gone to shit?

>>50111807
>Hey, my eyes are down here

>>50113661
>discussion about /tg/ on a normie forum
ADB was alright until he decided to try and be "one of us"

>>50112583
>Black Library books have recently been the death of the setting. Literally ruin everything.

What happened?

>>50111500
The Emperor's the lamest part of Warhammer

Also it's almost impossible to give a proper description of nearly-omnipotence, and most attempts will look like shit.
Just look at the superman's films

>>50111500
>Any new HH book is coming out in a few days and none of you guys are talking about it? We cannot have that, can we? Finally we will have a novel focused on the Emprah. What secrets and revelations we will see in the novel? Who is hyped?!
Bait

>>50113661
>Stop sucking his dick
>Woe is the board, it's changed and sucks now
Lel
Why dont you just finally get lost Carnac

>>50114290
What does Carnac have to do with ADB? Those are ADB's quotes.

He is saying that Primarchfags killed /tg/.

>>50114387
While he adds stuff that completely changes the narrative of the characters as they are in the fluff.
>angron in the original realizes what he has become far too late, like a bugchaser
>angron in the books has daddy issues and dementia:murderhobo edition.

>>50114117

Peoples' headcanons got disproved and they feel betrayed.

There is no stronger force in the gaming world than the feelings of a neckbeard.

>>50114234
The thing is that at least you can try to make Superman human related. Since you know, he grew up with pa and ma in a farm in Smallville. The Emperor does no one to relate.

Inquisition wars tried to portray him as a choir of voices ever vigilant. But even that is a drop in the ocea of His Magnitude.

>>50111500
Magnus was such a colossal fuck up. No wonder Perturabo thought the Emperor knew he was going to fuck up from the beginning

>>50113505
He actually didn't mention /tg/ did he?

>>50115939
See >>50113661

Forgot to greentext in that post. All of it is ADB quotes from his recent forum posts.

Maybe once ADB becomes a good writer he won't be writing fanfic teir shit for 12 year olds.

>>50113661
>The people that hate this book the most will be the "reading the novels for information" types (especially on /tg/)
Carnac, he's talking about you, how does it feel to be the cause of the hate toward discussions on /tg/?

>>50113071
Which is odd if so, 'cause the XVIII was too small to spawn any Second Founding Chapters.

>>50114234
The Emperor is the single best part of Warhammer and the sole thing that distinguishes it from every other setting..

Futuristic supersoldiers in future armor? Done to death.
Elves? Done to death.
Orks? Done to death.
Tyranids? Zerg, Aliens.

Unique, ancient, psychic, superpowerful, hyperintelligent god-avatar of the human race synthetizing all that is just and good, taking upon himself the mantle of emperor of a galaxywide empire in order to literally safeguard his race the galaxy from destruction, against everything else that exists? Now that is interesting. The closest analogy would be Dune, but still far-off.

>>50116191
Don't lie. He just saying that the book doesn't suit guys like me, and read the forum. They are talking about the Primarchfags and "did nothing"fags. Things I rarely talks about. These guys are what ruined /tg/.

You are one of them.

>>50116106
Nice try, Dan Abnett.

>>50116447
>the sole thing that distinguishes it from every other setting..

Actually, that would be Chaos and Necrons.

>>50117024
>chaos

literally daemons

the single most overused villian archetype ever

fuckoff retard

>>50117052
On the surface level but digging deeper you will find Chaos in unique and deep as a bad guy faction.

What you did was basically like brushing off as another space tyrant.

>>50117079
Fuck off, ADB.

Chaos is the single most overused and generic thing about the whole setting.

Daemons + villains that are evil because they're crazy and vice versa

Oh wow how original.

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>>50113347
>pulls a Mat Ward
Try not to confuse Lord War with Dan Abnett. Its a discredit to the Lord of Swag.

>>50116447

Emperor is not hyperintelligent or an avatar of good or humanity, you're fundamentally misunderstanding 40k. He's a tragic Greek hero who in his hubris thought he could rule the galaxy and outmaneuver the gods, but got stuck into a chair watching everything he did come undone, and waiting for Abaddon to finish him off.

What you said he is is what in-setting Imperials think he is. They are wrong and damned for it.

>>50117095
and guys in power armor are overused and overdone. Oh wait you got to dig deeper to see how they differ from the rest.

Yep, Chaos is original. Chaos is what makes the setting, not the Emperor.

>>50117132
Not really.

See: how unpopular Chaos armies are

Even fucking Orks are more popular.

Nobody gives a shit about how boring and uninspired Chaos are.

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>>50117119
This.

The only way this could work is if the book was about emperor, but written from perspective of Malcador and others in Emperor's retinue. At no point should we be allowed to look directly into Emperor's thoughts or whenever he is alone.

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>>50117155
>See: how unpopular Chaos armies are

>>50117132
fuck off and die already ADB, you chaos cocksucker

>>50117155
>See: how unpopular Chaos armies are

Actually, Chaos armies are among the most popular.

In fact, the Space Marines were created to bring the appeal of the the Warriors of Chaos into Rogue Trader/40K. Learn the settings history.

>>50117171
Not an argument.

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>>50117165
>>50117179
Newfag, please.

There are single SM chapters that alone have HALF as many collectors as all Chaos armies together.

>>50117220
>Almost half of the players collect CSM, coming in 3rd of all factions
>CHAOS SURE IS UNPOPULAR, RIGHT GUYS? YEAH SCREW THOSE GUYS

>>50117119
And what you just said is literally just what chaos mobs say he is.

>>50117220
I am not sure where got that pool but if you add up the CSM and daemons, they outnumber the rest.

>>50117260
Actually, that's what anyone who doesn't suck his dick can see.

>>50117247
>Imperial Loyalist troops are literally THREE TIMES BIGGER than chaos troops
>"HURF DURF BUT CHAOS MAKES THE SETTING BECAUSE I SAY IT DOES"

off yourself, ADB

>>50117294
>CHAOS MAKES THE SETTING

But it's true doe. Chaos is the only thing remotely original in the setting.

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>>50114595
>While he adds stuff that completely changes the narrative of the characters as they are in the fluff.
>>angron in the original realizes what he has become far too late, like a bugchaser

The original being pre-Index Astartes, because IA golden age lore was what changed him from "We need to save mankind through martial virtue" to "FUCK the Emperor".

But if you want to talk about daddy issues, that's nothing compared to what IA did to Mortarion.

>>50117159
>At no point should we be allowed to look directly into Emperor's thoughts or whenever he is alone.
Not necessarily disagreeing, but it wouldn't be anything new.

>>50113504
Isn't that Alivia Sureka?

>>50114117
There was a spell of mediocre books, mostly last year (between Scars and Path of Heaven, imo, not including those two). I think they're back on track though.

>>50112561
I am, fuk u

>>50117220

>CSM and Daemons outnumber SMs

lol

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Just a little reminder.

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>>50116909
>Dan "OC Donut Steel" Abnett.
>better.

>>50113347

You say that like you haven't been waiting for elaboration of the Journal of Keeper Caiaphas since 3ed.

I need some closure here!

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>>50116447

>Ripping off The God Emperor from Dune
>Distinguishing feature

>>50117024

Those aren't even unique when it comes to GW franchises. Crons are literally just Tomb Kings with stolen Terminator designs and Chaos are just fucking demons.

>>50117321

>Demons
>Original

Yes, there have never been any war gods or gods of disease, pleasure or capriciousness before. Totally brand new concept to have demons be linked to emotions and concepts. Not one of the oldest fantasy cliches at all...

>>50117321
>Chaos is the only thing remotely original
it's an unabashed copy of moorcock

Space marines are probably the closest thing to an original selling point the warhammer name has, but even they're technically less original than orks, who have pretty much defined orcs in western fantasy the past ~30 years

>>50113347
emprah nips off for a fapbreak

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>>50127352
The book's covering the creation of the Primarchs as well?

>>50113347
wasn't it already clear the emp is a perpetual that just stole some powers form the god now?

>>50113661
so its pointless good to know

>As much as I love /tg/, it's taken a downturn the last few years with the rest of its parent site. But that's OT, so I'll shut up now.

aka tg doesn't like him very much

>>50114028
>ADB was alright until he decided to try and be "one of us"
if you want that just hang out with Robbie MacNiven on tumblr

>>50128049
I hope that is not the case. It is stupid as all hell. Didn't he bound the void dragon to mars in the medieval ages? How the hell would he be able to do that?

>>50128135
Anon, it's a stupid retcon which will be replaced with a stupider retcon, and then back to the original story about Emps being made out of thousands of shamans.

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>>50128157
I like the story about he being the souls of thousands of shamans more. Way cooler.

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>>50128178
My brother. Take this I made yesterday.

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>>50128192
I thank you, fellow brother.

>>50128135
>Didn't he bound the void dragon to mars in the medieval ages? How the hell would he be able to do that?


It was a shard and it was mortally wounded by its fellow C'tan shards. It was so weakened and crippled it couldn't leave Earth. Any skilled psyker could have defeated it in that state.

And nothing says that the Emperor took to Mars in the medieval era.

>>50123175
>implying they don't share a great part of the population
lol

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>>50112940

>>50111522
> From the God-Emperor of Mankind, to Kane, to Seth

>>50113661
Maybe people would read that shit for the stories if you made them more interesting and didn't try to ride on the "hey, kids, wanna hear what your favorite 30k characters are up to now?" Nobody reads about JFK or Julius Caesar to get a compelling story, they want to find more about the people and eras.

So uh has Sandy Mitchell fixed his key board yet?

Look I don't care I just want more Cain shenanigans this time with Eldar

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>>50112676
That's only because Graham is an atheist autist when it comes to that stuff.

>>50117220
>Eldars are 5th
>Being orks
Triple Mon-keighs

>>50111500
oh boy can't wait to read about how the Emperor is a big meany from the perspective of a strong womyn waifu and her (non white) marine/custodes protector

>>50117275
Woah didn't noticed that, it's like if you add up an other two factions like SM and IG they outnumber the rest! Holy shit!

>>50129188
Any time someone mentions the Last Church this needs to be posted.

>>50129352
>the Emperor is a big meany
This is canon, though.

>>50113012

I feel bad for the Salamanders every book where they are the focus is boring and slow paced as fuck.

>>50129188
I wonder what Dawkins did with it, I imagine he threw it in the trash.

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>>50129352
Please tell me that this has not been happening

>>50129602
Probably. He's an asshole like that.

>>50129373
Sm and IG are not related. They don't have any shared word.

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I feel like all the problems people have been shit posting about over recent years is the fualt of Black Library going down in quality

>>50129188
>The Last Church makes the Emperor "The Atheist" the guy who objectively wrong and is being the asshole
>Ends with the priests accurately foretelling the future of the Emperor as the object of humanity's worship because, lets face it, worshipping something greater than ourselves is hardwired into every human

And somehow there are retards who try to pass off "The Last Church" as pro-secularism/atheism. What kind retards are you people?

>>50129706

>That shirt
>That Bragging
>That Dawkins

um

>>50129352
>oh boy can't wait to read about how the Emperor is a big meany from the perspective of

... literally everyone? He kidnapped children (FW Emperor's Children origins) from his defeated enemies in the solar system and used them for the first space Marine trials. He created the Thunder Warriors with a deliberately short lifespan and massacred them after they had served their purpose loyally. His plan for Magnus the Red was to have him incarcerated forever on the Golden Throne in his place...

A good person, he was not...

>>50129706
>People think the Emperor was genuinely pro-secularism/atheism

>He literally exists in a setting with daemons and Chaos Gods and would know of their existence better than anyone

Some people are just retarded.

>>50129731
Umm..the books content, retard.

What Eldar Empire was for the birth of Slaanesh, if this thread for birth of Autistard, the Fifth God of Chaos.

Like really, Warseer come back, all your whineshit invaded /tg.

>>50129759
>genuinely pro-secularism/atheism

His arguments against the Priest implied he was.

Furthermore, the Emperor, according to Malcador, wanted to get humanity to such a level where they wouldn't need him anymore in any capacity.

>>50129793
>Books
>Not book's
>I'm the retard

>>50129822
Yes, one typo vs your inability to read.

>>50129374
What makes it funnier is Dawkins has gotten on the American right wing speaking circuit for the cash and now loves Christianity lol

>>50129808
>they wouldn't need him anymore in any capacity.

That seems like it was lifted from "God Emperor of Dune"- Leto wanted to make it so that his people wouldn't need him any more. His goal was to oppress the piss out of them so they'd grow to hate the need to a leader and become self-sufficient or some such. It's been a while since I...

>>50129846
...READ that book

>>50129851
>Christianity

He loves the culture inspired by Christianity aka Western civilization, not the religion itself. I thought he made himself clear on that matter.

>>50129846
Same guy as

>>50129859


Thing i totally thought it was meant to show the Emperor as kind of a derp in regards to religion, as his view of it is infantile.

Then Graham posted this >>50129188

And it made me really, really question whether or not Graham wrote Emps like that on purpose or if he was just parroting the religious views of an edgy highschooler.

>>50129651
No wonder romana 2.0 divorced him

>>50129867
You need to hear what he says at gun nutter and baptist Jew worshipping conventions

>>50112341
50/50 chance this will be great

>>50130093
>romana 2.0
who?

>>50112610
4u

>>50129942

It's better if the Emprah is really a collection of all the shamans, rather than a glorified fedora tipper.

Like imagine an emperor that didn't give a fuck if you worshipped him or not, just as long as you got shit done and were loyal to his cause.

>>50130139
Lalla ward - best known for playing the second incarnation of Romana in doctor who

>>50130170
the whole fedora tipping thing is there because Emps knows that fanaticism ends up empowering chaos

>>50130210
And getting rid of it did little to nothing

>>50129808

He also wanted to make everyone a psyker where we'd be able to see said daemon gods and the 'soul' in another realm, so...

It's either he's an idiot or lying. I tend to feel he was lying about secularism/atheism for a reason.

>>50130298
The Emperor didn't deny the existence of the Warp and its effects.

And the godhood od the Chaos Gods is subjective. They can seen as overgrown parasites

>>50117132
Chaos is original? Read some of Micheal Morcock's Elric Series.

>>50130417
This

Also it's hilarious the amount of odd Newagers think that Chaos Magic(k) is real

>>50129740
he did what was necessary.

There were sacrifices to be
made for the survival of mankind.

That's why all the Traitors sound like uppity children, because they know nothing of sacrifice and loyalty.

Literally all the Traitor Captains who originally were "muh Primarch" and "muh Warmaster" have betrayed Horus or their own Primarchs eventually down the road.

>>50129649
the main character are going to be that custodes from the extract (the one that is still a kid) and some chick

so standard ADB waifu bullshit

Oh boy, a book about space marines.

Again.

>>50130673
Sister of Silence? What a suprise. Completely breaking the theme of the book.

>>50130346
>And the godhood od the Chaos Gods is subjective

Regardless if you consider them false gods or not, they're literally formed from worship, emotions and souls, and dwell in a realm where the spirit resides and goes upon death.

It's literally hell/afterlife, they're literally Gods spoken of in their follower's religions performing 'miracles' and we have proof of a soul and where it goes upon death.

40K is not a secular setting. Either he's aware and lying, or if what some people imply is true and he believes that, he's more blind than most.

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>>50112583

>literally

>>50130748
The main heroes of the book are the Emperor, a SoS, and a Custodes.

>>50130936
>and a Custodes.
Kitten?

>>50116447

It's worth noting that Tyranids came before Zerg did.

>>50128867

Fucking this. I'm tired of Tyranids and Orks. Tau can fuck off too. I want that story about him on the slave ship.

On the subject of Mitchell though, in the novel Traitor's Hand (3rd novel about the Khornate cultists invading a planet with a bunch of Slaaneshi cultists) there's this one part where one of the Valhallans yells out "Do you want to live forever?" and Cain thinks something like "nobody talks that way outside of badly written combat novels".
Was that a jab at Dan Abnett?

>>50131227

Cain always makes fun of Ghaunt though maybe in real life Mitchell might hate Abnett

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>>50131266

Does he? Been a while since I've read the Cain series but that's the only dig I've ever seen at Gaunt's Ghosts.

Man, they should have one of the writers at relic write something.
At least it would be better than BL's schlock.

ADB is writing it. So expect
>the Emperor making speeches that will be really awesome
>the book will present the Emperor as in the right most of the time, but there will be subtle hints that he could be better and how grimdark his plans are
>some OC Daemon being fucking awesome, either he will cause some serious shit or he will make a strong case against the Emperor
>said Daemon will also be banished in an awesome and feelsy way
>maybe some OC Imperial officer that will have his viewpoint shattered
>overall really great writing style
>if possible, a character with daddy issues

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>>50123301
This is one of few good portrayals of the Emperor, at least in my mind. The awe-inspiring deity that is viewed by Imperium and the ultimately human mind that despite it's might can only relate to Man through the inhumanity of the acts He does to save them.

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>>50131284
If you made that yourself, I feel sorry for you.

If you didn't, well, I still feel sorry for you.

>>50131717
Would the emperor have daddy issues?
checked

>>50131717
Didn't ADB also do "The First Heretic"?

>>50132497

That picture's older than you are, champ.

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>>50131579
>Relic writing
>Khorne sorcerers
>magpie Ravens
>Eldar doing shit that comes off as nonsensical rather than ambiguous

>>50132745
Ok then. Having a reaction that specific seems a tad too convenient


Then again, some of the absolute shit-storms that happen on here...

>>50131490

Id say Cain is the complete opposite of Ghaunt in alot of regards.

As much as Mitchell reuses shit I still think hes one of the better BL authors

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>>50132804

Relic had it moments


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT_vcm7eKIc

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>>50132804
>Khorne sorcerers

Pic related.

>>50132838
Yeah, there's some precedent for that, also in the Fantasy Flight games: "Blood Callers". Granted, they're mostly enslaved to rip open Warp Rifts. Still, Khorne using Psykers in extra-curricular ways is not unheard of, just ridiculously uncommon.

>>50132837
Wow, no wonder in canon Avitus is the traitor. Listen to his fucking scorn. I had completely forgot about that bit of damning dialog.

>>50131717
>the Emperor making speeches that will be really awesome
>the book will present the Emperor as in the right most of the time, but there will be subtle hints that he could be better and how grimdark his plans are
I think you have ADB mixed up with someone else.

>>50113449
Naw. It would be more of a tired working man scene but resilient.

Quiet but potent.

>>50132921
>just ridiculously uncommon

Sure, I just find it weird when people go "Khorne is totes anti-majick," and try to rearrange the gods so that Khorne opposes Tzeentch (because of teh majick nerd vs. the bully jock) and Nurgle opposes Slaanesh (because pretty things and icky things).

Khorne might not promote magic as a replacement for good old fisticuffs, but there's still elements in sorcery that are beneficial to him, and if a sorcerer can satiate the Blood God's hunger in ways that pleases the dark god, there's nothing wrong with that.

>>50132973
Eh, Avitus hated everything.

>>50133035
Nah, it's ADB. He's a Chaos cocksucker, just go read the Grey Knights novel he did.
Overall the GK are mostly being presented as in the right, but the novel constantly mentions pointless grimdark stuff in passing, that nobody even acknowledges even though it's the grimderp kind of fluff. Basically it paints the Imperium in a bad and shitty way, but overall it aknowledges it's still in the right.

Why does ADB have to write this. He has the biggest fucking daddy issues and constantly jerks off to Chaos. Also don't forget the waifu bait. Has he ever written a book without waifu bait?

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While we're talking about 40k novels, are there any good ones featuring a Daemonic incursion of some kind? Not like some Chaos chumps summoning a few Daemons that fuck shit up for a while, but an actual serious "we're about a hair away from Exterminatusing the shit out of this planet" invasion.

I'm guessing the Grey Knights novels?
Most of my 40k novel experience has been Gaunt's Ghosts, Ciaphas Cain, Word Bearers, Inquisition War, Eisenhorn, and Ravenor.

If anyone wants to recommend some more good Inquisitor books too, that'd be awesome. I love the Inquisition.

Anything to do with Tzeentch as well.

>>50130132

Hahahaha, no. More like 80% chance of it being shit like the majority of HH.

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>>50130170
Yeah, old Emps just wanted RESULTS, dammit.

>The Master of Mankind did not remain ignorant of Lorgar’s reaction. The Emperor was on the verge of once again reprimanding his tardy Primarch when news came that the Legion had suddenly renewed its campaign. Worlds now fell before the Word Bearers like ripe grain. The assaults were quick and devastating; no longer did Lorgar offer redemption or salvation to those he set his Legion against. The embittered Primarch offered only the sword, and in his wrath the holocausts were unnumbered. Pleased with what he saw as progress, the Emperor turned his eyes towards other matters. What he could not know is that he had already been betrayed.

>>50117220
>spess woofs are the least popular marines
Justice.

>>50135590
Legion of the Damned. The cholercaust is brought forth by a Khorne corrupted comet. Not something people want close to their planet.

>>50114117
The Emperor turned out to be not the perfectest most benevolent reasonable guy ever. People who have invested way too much into the idea that the Imperium are good and just reeee'd hard at the possibility that it was founded by a shithead.

Basically nerds got proven wrong and are now in maximum damage control mode.

>>50130673
>the main character are going to be that custodes from the extract

Kitten?

>>50112616

Obvious shill.

ABD's Waifus
>Lotara, Angron
>Inquisitor something, Grey Knights
>Cyrene, Word Bearers
>Octavia, Night Lords
>Eldar and possibly sister, Talon of Horus

Did I miss any? They blend together.

>>50113661
>The people that hate this book the most will be the "reading the novels for information" types (especially on /tg/) who won't find immense revelations on the exact indisputable origins of the Emperor, or how Custodians are made, or anything like that. That's the kind of stuff that I directly avoided saying.
No, the people who hate it will be the ones who think you're a hack writing Daddy Issues into the Primarchs and God-Emperor of Mankind

>>50137819
>They blend together.
I only know Octavia. Pls explain?

Do you mean, like, they're all strong female characters...and that's, like, it?

(Also I'm sure Octavia was raped my penal workers. Idk who would do that to their waifu)

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>>50112583
>tfw unironically enjoying the HH series

feels good man. I really don't feel like anything has been ruined.

>>50129188
The Last Church is a very un-subtle damning of militant atheism. Not sure what Graham is up to here.

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>>50137887
>writing Daddy Issues into the Primarchs
Because that was never there before, right.

>>50137978
And then she became loyal to the cis white male who saved her, problematic as fuck desu.

>>50138063
Like I said here >>50129942


>Thing i totally thought it was meant to show the Emperor as kind of a derp in regards to religion, as his view of it is infantile.
>Then Graham posted this >>50129188

>And it made me really, really question whether or not Graham wrote Emps like that on purpose or if he was just parroting the religious views of an edgy highschooler.

>>50138091
>And then she became loyal to the cis white male who saved her,

I don't recall her fucking Talos...

>>50138129
I'm pretty sure he'd write porn of his waifus and their Space Marines if only he was allowed.

>>50138091
>Because that was never there before, right.
Not nearly to this degree

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>>50138129
I meant that was when she accepted her new life as his slave and stopped being Eurydice to become Octavia (which was why they also finally unsealed her Navigator eye and started letting her walk around without Septimus's constant supervision). Until that point she'd been defiant, albeit only openly so in front of Septimus.

>>50138288
Oh, so the Plague Marine helmet is a MkIII helmet? At least an old style MkIII.

>>50138396
Every mark of armor had multiple sub-patterns and variable makes that were unique to specific legions.

>>50138551
I've just been wondering for a long time what the helmets on the plague marines were, and that picture clearly says they're MkIII helmets (armorum ferrum, aka. iron armour).

>>50138586
Yep. In the same way that the sarum-pattern helmet is a variant of MkIV.

>>50138615
Surely you mean MkV? And pretty sure the Sarum came before the MkV.

I wonder what MkIV DG would look like in MkIII helmets with spikes on them... I was gonna get them the FW helmets, but I got a bunch of MkIII helmets and Chaos Warrior spikes lying around that I could use.

>>50138111

After a bit of digging, I found an old Q and A he did.

>With The Last Church, well, I have to say that I’m not a philosopher and neither is Uriah. He was a rake, a drunkard and the 30k equivalent of a jetsetting international playboy. He wasn’t a trained priest, he had no philosophical background and had only what he’d thought of in his lonely years at the church to fall back on. If it came across as a cheetah pouncing on a limbless gazelle, then good, that wass exactly the point. Full disclosure, though, I am very much of Revelation’s point of view than Uriah’s. That there wasn’t more depth to the discussions between the two was partly due to my own partial knowledge of the subject and the fact that I didn’t want the story to become a tool to ram a point home. It was a story that I hoped would be interesting and exciting, without necessarily having lots of bolters blazing.

http://graham-mcneill.com/answers-2-3/

>>50114117
Imperial Fist fans were butthurt when the IF got cut down to a single Space Marine.

>>50139048
...so Graham *does* have the equivalent of an edgy teenager's grasp of religion

It's at this time that I hate being right

>>50139289

Death of the author, man

Death of the author

>>50136498

>NOBODY CAN BE EXCITED FOR THEIR HOBBY AND FANTASY WORLD

Get out of here, shitlord.

>>50114117
Anthologies without end.

>>50111500
Who is the strong female in this book? A silent sister?

>>50132709
yes. THe best HH book to this point

>>50139265
And some ork fans were butthurt that minor clans got shafted.
Myself, I'm butthurt that marines were once again the main political force in the story.

>>50111500
There not gonna make him powerful enough.

And if they do retards will butch about him being op

Also we all know pretty much exactly whats underneath the palace.

>>50129188

>Write a book about religion being destroyed by a megalomaniac who knows for a fact that gods are real.

Is this his subtle way of saying that militant atheists have captured him and are forcing him to write atheist fiction against his will and he needs to be rescued? Because he picked the wrong fucking setting to project his atheist views onto.

>>50139048
fuck man, someone needs to screencap this. Put this gay-ass debate:

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>>50142146


To fucking rest

>>50142459

Here, read this as well.

http://graham-mcneill.com/last-church/

His own take on the story.

>>50142146
But the chaos gods aren't real gods. They aren't creator deities. The gods in the setting are all simply powerful beings created by mortals. Yes this is nitpicking but it's true. If the emperor could have surpressed the worship and misunderstanding things could have gotten better perhaps but who knows.

>>50123301
Holy fuck what? This implies that the emperor is adding the souls of psykers to his own collective of souls. It's like a Senate. It also explains Gifts of Chaos. When a cultist.dedicates themselves to a god, they slowly become a part of that God's collective.

Which is why "All paths lead to the Emperor" is important doctrine for the imperium, how else would a soul willingly give itself to another being?

Further implying that, as a collective being of thousands of powerful souls, the Emperor knows all about the horrible suffering being endured in their empire and are doing nothing

>>50142907
The Emperor is on auto-pilot, the souls that made him have become their own personalities, and he cultivated split personalities just to run the Imperium. One of those personalities became a priest and helped a Chaplain learn the key to ultimate daemon slaying power.

>>50137819
>Did I miss any?

Pet dog, Talon of Horus.

>>50116447
Zergs, as the entire Starcraft brand, are a ripoff of Warhammer and came way after.