I come today with two questions. First, I want to include ratfolk

The best advice I can give you is "they are already integrated into normal society", treat them as mundane. Give them some vague origin story like they were humans that mutated thousands of years ago due to the blood of some rat-god spilling on them, then they bred and found their children all came to be the same. After generations... rat-kin were just kind of things that existed and nobody really thought too hard about it any more once the original generation of human-turned-rat died out.

So they just exist.

As for your latter question... there is no changing 4chan. Live and learn to ignore idiots.

>>50105316
>How can we fix THAT?

We can't. Just make up a beastman culture you and your players enjoy and ignore autistic REEEEEEEEEing.

I too am upset you can't discuss more human-like catfolk without waifufags treating them as exotic pets. Luckily my players aren't faggots.

>>50105316
Just show them at face value? 'They exist, it's a thing, deal with it yo' sort of thing. You could go into the cultural nuances and how they fit into society as a whole, but only if prompted to do so. No better way to make your players think you are injecting your obsessions into a game than being too eager about them and using any excuse to talk about them. As long as they aren't the only other race, it should work out fine.

As for your latter question, you're an idiot. /tg/ gonna /tg/, it's a known nest of scum and xenophilia. If you don't like it, there's not a lot you can do about it save learning the patterns and avoiding them. For example:
>PEOPLE ARE SEXUALISING BEASTFOLK IT MAKES ME MAD
>Says OP, accompanying his rant with one of the most well known examples of sexualised beastfolk

>>50105316
From a previous rat-themed thread:

>City is under attack from Dick-ass Drow raiders
>Rats, pressured by the potential loss of their home, join the war to defend.
>The Drow laugh this off and ignore them.
>Rats, from years of hiding, scurrying, and having to pummel the occasional monster, are excellent at stealth, street fighting, and setting up ambushes.
>Rats consistently manage to lure the Drow Raiding parties that get through the walls into always or sewers where there is either a human barricade with crossbow-men, bunch of Rats ready to shank them, or both.
>Rat rogues are almost as good at stealth as Drow assassins and use their superior knowledge of the city to cut them off and prevent them from completing their mission, even capturing some alive.
>The Drow are actually having a net loss as Dick-Ass Rat theives keep stealing all their stuff and sneaking into their camps and releasing the prisoners.
>The Drow say "Fuck this shit" and go home with their metaphorical tails in between their legs, because they got beat by a bunch of mutant Sewer-dwelling beasts.
>They Swear their undying hatred upon the Rats.
>Rats are celebrated as heros and given places of honor amoungst the city.

File: image.jpg (34KB, 400x427px) Image search: [Google]

34KB, 400x427px

>>50105316
Call them Mouse-Folk
Problem Solved

>>50105316
Fluff-wise? Honestly, there's a lot you can do. I got a post-apocalyptic setting where my (admittedly Burmecian + Nezumi-inspired) ratfolk are essentially a race of goodly aligned souls laboring towards the grand racial philosophy of "let's fix the world!" and generally being the closest thing the setting's got to paladins.

Pathfinder has ratfolk as peaceful traders and merchants who're just considered normal, if a little erratic, because every ratfolk is looking to try and become a respected elder.

Wicked Fantasy has ratfolk as the "noble gangster" race; they moved into the quarantined ghettos of various city-states during a horrific plague, made themselves comfortable whilst tending to the sick and dying, and now they reject all attempts to root them out. People willingly live alongside them because their culture is big on the "do unto others" creed, so ratfolk (rodduns, in-verse) take looking after the people who are depending on them Very Seriously.

File: Rats cute.jpg (215KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

215KB, 1920x1080px

>>50105316
>I don't want them to be unclean monsters

They already aren't. Rats are incredibly clean, social, intelligent, and empathetic animals. Le Skaven are a retarded meme, literally nothing like rats at all.

>>50107926
In fairness Skaven are magical crack addicts.

>>50108011

Maybe, but they also made DOOMWHEELS. So there's that going for them.

File: 1124.gif (926KB, 930x630px) Image search: [Google]

926KB, 930x630px

They live, they expand, they socialize, they organize and in the face of great foes, they will die. Yet tomorrow, next month, or next year, or decades later, they will try to take that hill again. Their triumphs and tragedies come in generation waves of expansion, building, loss and rebuilding.

This lends them to a certain level of gallant fatalism, a tendency towards resourceful reclamation and recycling of resources, and haphazard industrial progress that stagnates until driven by the need to adapt to otherwise insurmountable odds.

>>50105316
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/50096488/
we literally had a thread about this

>>50109119

That's a thread about elves secretly being shapeshifting rats. Which I guess might be an option, but I'm not sure people will go for it, except to freak out that one guy who macks on every knife-ear in the game.

>>50109165
no, it's about rats who secretly shapeshift into elves

>>50109119
Speaking of which, there was never a link to more of the artist's work. Damn shame

>>50109357
It's Akunim

>>50105316
Play them as Jews

>>50110003
He said he DIDN'T want them to be unclean monsters anon.

>>50110266
Isn't Judaism, like, super concerned about ritual cleanliness? I wouldn't think they'd trend towards uncleanliness.

>>50110340
Yeah, there's lots of stuff regarding ritual bathing, proper diet, even a load of quarantine stuff. You can lift whole portions of it and actually improve the lives of modern day people if they followed it.

>>50105316
Just go for a FF9 approach.
They were fine in that game as your picture shows.

>>50107192
That was a good thread.

>>50107926
The stigma of rats being "unclean" is largely rooted in the fact that they are historically disease vectors

File: img-36.jpg (73KB, 656x900px) Image search: [Google]

73KB, 656x900px

>>50105316
Alright anon, you want your Rat-Folk to be different? Well how about you make them and their culture based off of actual rat behavior. Which is nothing like say the Skaven.

>Strong community based behaviour
>Special attention to cleanliness of warrens
>Will eat their own dead, in order to remove the bodies before they risk disease.
>Friendly and inquisitive creatures.

I know this because I own rats as pets, and I'll tell you this. In fantasy they are depicted as monsters, which is fine I love Skaven, but thats just not what they are like.

PS Dont go trying to play with a wild rat like any wild animal respect them and give them room.

>>50107926
This, if there was an alt-evolution animal who would be close to humans in intellectual, emotional and moral pursuits, it wouldn't be chimps, dolphins or dogs. It'd be rats or crows.

Rats are subjects of social engineering and mental health experiments because they're socially and emotionally very close to us.

>>50107926
Also this

>>50110618
Exactly if you had actual Rat-Folk in your setting that werent lol evil. They would be the closest thing to humans. Really both species function on similar levels

>>50110340
>Isn't Judaism, like, super concerned about ritual cleanliness?
They don't look the part. Most jews I've known think washing their hands torougly after bathroom breaks and bathing often are wastes of money/time.

>>50105316
Ratfolk in my setting are basically all gypsies. Their warrens are travelling caravans, and whilst they aren't equal among the more traditional races, but they're tolerated.

>>50105517
>>50110432
Funny. My ratfolk in-game are kind of like both of these. Essentially, three centuries ago, there was a mighty empire of mages, stretching far and wide. Some sort of cataclysm happened, devastating their capital and the surrounding lands and saturating the landscape with magic. This had the side-effect of mutating many of the inhabitants into rat-men, creating an anti-magic sentiment that would last for hundreds of years, and creating many species of monster. While many stayed, the rest fled to other countries. Though distrusted by most, their cultural emphasis on magic and highly insular communities enabled them to flourish- pogroms notwithstanding. Only recently have they become accepted in the communities of the world.

So far as behavior, some are as LG as possible, defying the stereotype, others are CE, embracing it- but most don't care.

>>50105316
Hating on furries is just a 4chan culture thing, just like acting like literally everything is Magical Realm is a /tg/ thing. You just ignore it. People telling the furries to go to hell are bumping the thread, so whatever.

As to the ratfolk thing, a race is what you make it. Have them as a race in the setting before offering them to your players, so they can see what they're meant to be. My one question is: is there any particular reason they are ratfolk? Because humans that aren't human shaped isn't interesting.

File: gary-the-rat_L19.jpg (68KB, 695x524px) Image search: [Google]

68KB, 695x524px

>>50105316
My response to you OP is this:
Kelsey Fucking Grammer

That is all.

>>50107246
Mice are a lot dirtier and less intelligent than rats.

>>50110340
Not at all, various pre-war sources often mention how filthy Jewish districts were.
Rat Jews however is not entirely new, see: Maus graphic novel.

File: 1478305559524.png (131KB, 568x589px) Image search: [Google]

131KB, 568x589px

>>50105316
>How can we fix THAT?
Rats are a proud and noble race! They are not LEWD!
Rats, like humans, are one of the few species that fuck for pleasure tho

File: 1421118869726.jpg (37KB, 540x349px) Image search: [Google]

37KB, 540x349px

>>50105316
Make them master tacticians

>>50112524
>are one of the few species that fuck for pleasure

Wrong. Every species 'fucks' for pleasure. That's the only reason they fuck. The observation of purposeful non-reproductive sex among animals is simply more common among domesticated species and higher intelligence species, but it is everywhere.

I appreciate the sentiment, but stop spreading this misinformation. Seriously.

>>50110617
Skaven are monsters because they're creatures of Chaos, not because they're rats - just like how Beastmen are monsters, despite every single fucking one being based on a docile herbivore.

>>50105316
>First, I want to include ratfolk in my setting- but with a few caveats. I don't want them to be unclean monsters, I want them to be different from other ratfolk or beast races, and I do NOT want them to be oversexualized or so special and perfect and oppressed by others just because they're different.

First, make them like normal rats. Highly sociable, clean and empathetic.

Second, make them smaller. Yes there is risk of appealing to short stack likers, but we can avoid that. Make them halfling size.

third, modify their secondary sexual characteristics so they aren't obviously and inherently fetish material. Females should be slightly more lithe and hip rounded, and should not have breasts. Instead they have a row of six teets on their chest which can't really be seen unless naked.

All of this will STILL be someones fetish, I assure you. But it won't make them OBVIOUS fetish fuel.

Essentially you've made halfling/kobold/things that live in comfy warrens, enjoy food, have tails, are generally androgenous/non ratfolk can't tell them apart

File: 205.jpg (55KB, 542x616px) Image search: [Google]

55KB, 542x616px

>>50112524
That thread was going places...
...LEWD places...

>>50113404
It really wasn't.

>>50110618
>>50110628

>Fuck the whole "ancient alliance with elves" thing, we're gonna bro it up with the ratfolk, they *get* us

>>50115683
also they are cute

>>50113404
It was going into "Everyone is a filthy LARPing descendant of the original race, elves, who have also withdrawn from the world at disgust of what they have seen." direction.

Then it died.

File: 1475101632571.jpg (43KB, 283x315px) Image search: [Google]

43KB, 283x315px

If you knock up one of those false elf rats while she's in elf form, do the kids come out as elves or rats?