Did you ever had a bad experience with religious people? Either

>>50082926
I would expect more trouble from religious players uncomfortable with a particular scene/setting/campaign than from religious outsiders, actually.

As an atheist I doubt it due most fantasy world outright running on religion.

Nope. I've had way more problems with angry atheists.

And god damn singularity cult morons. It's just religion for atheists, and completely misses what transhumanism is actually about.

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>>50082926
> tfw the DM brings "one true religion" into the game.

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>>50086803

Nope.

Outspoken Atheists on the other hand, are quite annoying. IF I have to hear one more guy talk about how their fantasy cleric/paladin doesn't have to be religious and there are no gods and it's all will and their own magic and they just think it's gods, then a go nuts.

>>50086824
>>50086803
Sounds like railroad bullshit mixed with being a generally awful person. A Classic combination. Surprised you stayed with something like that for so long, Anon.

Not really.

I played with a pretty religious-seeming korean guy who always did these very rapid and quiet prayers before meals. He was chill as fuck, never gave anyone grief about religion. All around a great human being and player.

>>50086838
>People who insist clerics and paladin don't need a god/religion
Regardless of their religious beliefs, I fucking hate this shit, and the worst thing is that WotC allowed it. If you're going to play a paladin without actually roleplaying one, just roll a fucking fighter or eldritch knight.

It's like playing a druid who lives in an inner city condo and drives his Toyota Prius to Starbucks every morning to enjoy a double moccha frappuchino made from beans handpicked by Eritrean child slaves.

>>50087071
It's not me, I just saved the screencap.

>>50086838
Those are not outspoken atheists, but straight-up retards.
In a world where deities are a tangible and obvious power, atheism has no place. Sure, you can have a character who doesn't care about the gods, who puts all of his faith in his fellow mortals, but denying the existence of the gods in such a setting is just plain stupid.

>>50087101
If they were doing it just for kicks, and it was a lighthearted campaign, then that actually sounds like a pretty funny druid.

>>50082926
I haven't.
Had more problems with hard core fedora players.

I've had problems with both sides of it, antitheist atheists using the religion commentary in a lot of tg as an excuse to shit on religion, and religious people shitting on the setting for "not doing religion right"

What ticks me off is when people decide to derail a game session to talk politics or religion, I'm all for a good debate but not when we are trying to get shit done and play a game, that goes double if the conversation starts to get toxic

>I had a big Monday night 40k game get delayed for an hour straight because Donald Trump got brought up and it was a 50:50 split of support for him and against him so skub flowed

>>50087156
Got any stories of euphoria?

>>50082926
Not really, but I tend to be the most religious person at my games and I'm the GM.
I don't really have an issue with atheists either, but the 10 or so people I play RPGs with tend to be very apathetic about spirituality or lack thereof.

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>>50087101
>Implying the mechanics are inherently tied to a trope.
Disgusting.

>>50087212
Even if the spirituality is in-game? I've run across some fedora-tippers who get super asspained if anything that smacks vaguely of religion or magic appears in a setting.

>>50087238
Words mean things, you know. The words "cleric" and "paladin" inherrently have a religious bend. If we're going to strictly separate roleplay and rollplay, we might as well just have barbarians be bookish, studious types. Because deriving your power from pure anger doesn't mean you actually have to be agressive. Maybe "rage" just means "contemplative thought derived from years of study".

I'm an atheist, and most of my religious-based RPG annoyances are because of other atheists.

>>50082926
Only experience like that I've had was when somebody playing a cleric made an OOC remark about "no atheists in foxholes" (the campaign had the players as members of a military unit, and I think he was explaining his cleric's reasoning for saving someone who who worshiped a different god or something, so there was some actual context for the comment), and the GM got kind of pissy about it because he considered it offensive or something.

>>50087272
Like I said, in regards to both spirituality and the lack thereof, they're pretty much all very apathetic. That being said they don't usually play paladins or such in medieval games, and in 40k most of them come across as only paying lip service to the Emperor. So that apathy does tend to bleed into their charatcers

>>50087288
This. I love playing priests and holy men and the only people who ever made a stink or gave me shit about it are other atheists.

>>50082926
I've honestly had the worst experiences when a person who fundamentally doesn't *get* religion tries to play a character with strong religious faith. Inevitably, it ends in an abrasive fanatic with zero ability to compromise or a wishy washy 'all faiths and interpretations are valid, despite the fact that I am playing as a religious crusader' pussy.

>>50087134
You realize that while we, as players, know that gods exist in a setting the characters don't necesarily do, right? And anyway someone who doesn't believe the gods are really "gods" is completely viable. High level wizards are practically gods as it is, thinking the "gods" are just mortals with powerful artifacts makes sense.

I had someone who eavesdropped on us and used the Bernie Sanders is Jesus analogy to bitch about our Randian characters for mocking socialism during a game.

Which amuses me because socialism as an ideology only works with magical bullshit food powers.

>>50087359
>Which amuses me because socialism as an ideology only works with magical bullshit food powers.
Ironically socialists reject the only thing that can help socialism as the opiate of the people.

>>50087281
Actually, "paladin" just means someone connected to the imperial palace. Nothing religious there.

>>50086797
What is transhumanism actually about, then?

>>50087185
Not a whole lot. Just a general insistence that any religious person is secretly the BBEG.
Or having all the followers of good gods be closet followers of Evil gods whenever they are allowed to gm.

Got to watch a pretty interesting debate between two atheists though. One was playing a cleric of a good god(a male follower of the goddess of stonk independent women) and a fighter/follower of an Evil god of tyranny. Sort of like divine command theory, but used to support the following of evil gods.

>>50087281
To be fair, the definition of a Paladin goes back to the word 'palatin' which was just one of 12 members of Charlemagne's court.

Additional definitions defines them as military leaders or leaders of a cause.

If your argument is how they are defined in tabletop, then it's moot because the setting can be anything you want it to be.

>>50087281
Except paladin just means a chivalrous knight. "Longsword" is a two handed sword. And barbarian has shit all to do with rage or being stronk.

Also, refluffing "rage" as focus instantly makes the class better. I would much rather play a monk with barbarian mechanics, or a nobleman boxer.

>>50087379
The way it is used nowadays is mostly reminiscent of Charlemagne's paladin though. It's the same as with "knight" which merely means servant if you go back far enough.

>>50087427
>To be fair, the definition of a Paladin goes back to the word 'palatin' which was just one of 12 members of Charlemagne's court.
Are you implying Charlemagne's paladin weren't universally depicted as shining champions of Christianity?

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>>50087356
> Live in Faerun
> Call clerics frauds
> Laugh when they get offended
> Demand they prove the existance of gods
> "Only divine casters can wear plate!"
> Yeah, this hasn't been true for a long time. Don't have a better proof?
> They get visibly butthurt.
> They argue that arcane magic can't heal
> Point at bards and ask them to explain this.
> They start frothing from their mouths
> "Disprove this, faggot!"
> They use divine intervention class feature
> Actually succeed for once
> The ground quakes as the sun goes dim and the skies split apart
> A gigantic, fiery figure looks down on me, his voice is like thunder
> It's Talos, god of storms.
> "What he's saying is true, we are real"
> Cool illusion, bro.
> Talos gets offended.
> Strikes me down with lightning
> Die
> Get stuck in the Wall of Faithless for all eternity for being a fedora faggot
> Totally worth it

>>50087453
>The Wall of Faithless isn't some kind of horrid place for the damned, it's more of a soirée where the euphoric spend eternity being enlightened by their own intelligence
>"I'd call this heaven if I were mentally deficient!"

>>50082926

No I've had problems with hardcore fedoras though

>>50087452
>Are you implying Charlemagne's paladin weren't universally depicted as shining champions of Christianity?
Dude they were bodyguards and retrieved relics from smelly foreigners. They were just very specialized knights, and not much else. Also Charlamagne stole the word from Latin, in which it mean "of or belonging to the palace"

>>50082926
>Did you ever had a bad experience with religious people?

Only while I was still religious, since it was kind of hard to avoid them in that case. I've always been into traditional games, but if anyone in the church community ever asked me about my interests, I'd be scolded for dabbling in "Satanic" things.

Hasn't been an issue since I'm no longer subscribed to those beliefs and don't have to deal with those people on a weekly basis now. There may be the occasional street evangelist trying to warn me about the impending apocalypse, but I just ignore them. Once though, some guy approached my group playing D&D at the mall and wouldn't stop preaching about how we were all going to hell. We largely ignored him until he felt awkward and left.

Contrary to what some anons have claimed, (which I highly doubt is true) I've never been bothered by atheists. Even when I was pretty devoutly religious, I don't think anyone ever tried to de-convert me. And I personally couldn't care less what anyone believes or practices, as long as they don't bother anybody else.

>>50087606

Trust me the fedoras are much more annoying than any christian I've dealt with

>>50087709
Annoying evangelists and fanatics are obnoxious, faithful or faithless.

>>50087453
>> Cool illusion, bro.
>> Talos gets offended.
To be fair, you could have literally done anything at all and Talos would get offended. He's sorta like that.

>>50087938
>Don't sacrifice to Talos
>Talos is jealous

>Sacrifice to Talos
>Talos feels you're suffocating him

>>50087938
>>50087960
Dude you just got summoned to appear in the material plane/mortal realm/what-have-you by some followers, probably got that call while on the John too, you damn it, always the second you plop down on the seat and start pushing. You also will not be leaving without smiting someone. It just goes without saying.

Never. Not even when dealing with other religions and cultures.

>>50087359
>socialism as an ideology only works with magical bullshit food powers.
You mean like industrial farming or genetic engineering?

>>50087709
>fedoras

It's just a retarded boogeyman / caricature that /pol/ whines about to dismiss contrary opinions. People like that don't actually exist, at least not outside of college campuses. I've literally never encountered anyone like this before. Fundamentalists on the other hand are largely populous and feel the need to interject when they don't approve of your lifestyle.

>>50088225

In Europe it's the norm so they don't stand out, and in the U.S they are more annoying because they aren't accepted

>>50088225
How euphoric are you in this moment?

>>50088225
>they don't exist
They're as existent as they're annoying.

>>50088207
>You mean like industrial farming or genetic engineering?
Didn't help the Soviet Union out a lot. Margaret Thatcher put it best: the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. Because you know what the biggest problem is with those selfish, capitalist fatcats? They're selfish people with money. That means that if the climate becomes hostile, they will have both the motivation and the means to move themselves and their money out of the country. The SU saw a massive exodus of the superrich (the ones that weren't killed at least), leaving mostly the middle class to share their meagre means of existing with the poor. Congratulations, you now have breadlines.

Strange, that a system that punishes the wealthy fails to generate wealth!

>>50087359
>>50087378
>>50088318
>>50088207

If Socialism is so bad... why are Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland and all those other Scandanavian Socialist countries doing so well in terms of almost everything?

>>50086838
>atheist clerics
I mean if they have a relatively less-whatever-theist faith that's fine. The default henotheism of D&D is enough of a historical rarity as is. But at least have something that looks vaguely like a religion or has a reason to work like the cleric class. A Taoist or Stoic cleric is fine, for instance. A Goetic holy demon binder dude works too.

Not that I've had this experience. The most atheist folks I know like playing their clerics and paladins to the hilt. I've occasionally known the devout to balk at worshiping a god other than the jealous one. NotTao etc. are decent enough ways of sidestepping the issue, IME.

>>50087960
>Talos feels you're suffocating him
>Talos just going through a rough patch
>Talos needs personal space.
>Talos thinks we should see other people.

>>50088225
>People like that don't actually exist,
God, I wish.

>>50088371
1. They're not "socialist", they're social democratic countries.
2. Norway is sitting on a gigantic stash of oil, so it's doing well for the same reason Saudi-Arabia is: a resource based economy. Look up Norway's exports and compare them to, say, France.
3. Sweden is sitting on a gigantic pile of household debt.
4. You know why Sweden is taking in boatloads of immigrants and the largest number of rapefugees per capita? Because their system, which has more in common with a ponzi scheme than a functioning economy, demands an upper class to keep paying for social facilities they will never themselves enjoy. With that working class becoming ever smaller, Sweden (and the rest of Western Europe) needs to get them from somewhere. Because God forbid we reform a dysfunctional system until it's functional! Just throw stuff at it and see what sticks.

These problems would be readily apparant and more reported on if politicians looked further than the end of their term.

Considering the moral panic that used to surround roleplaying, I'd imagine the majority of religious rolplayers are open enough or flexible or whatever to not muck up a game they understand is just innocent fun, and the sort of person who

Obviously that's not gonna be everyone, but I'm spreaking broadly here.

>>50088447

Plus Sweden is projected to be a third world country by 2030

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>>50088318
>>50088447

>>50088570
Good rebuttal, anon, you sure showed 'em

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>>50088447

>>50088447
>>50088564
>>50088570

Sources for this?

Social Democratic is still socialist though, unless you see socialism as pure communism, which again, is different.

The thing is, these Countries are doing way better than Capitalist counter-parts... from what I've seen and read of various places in the World, socialism is key for the best way of life for all members of a Country and one which can be sustained provided we did it right (i.e stop people/corporations from tax-dodging).

>>50088543
I think this is a good point. If you were going to be the sort of religious guy that would be bothered by stuff in game, you wouldn't be playing in the first place.

Sort of a self selecting thing.

I used to play with a religious guy and a couple pretty hard core atheists. They used to give him lots of shit for being religious and believing in God without proof. One day, after quite a bit of abuse he said:
>I could arrange a face to face meeting. It'd be a one way trip though.
And they never brought it up again. lol

>>50088673
You have to go back.

>>50088677
>TFW the Lutherian mafia is real

>>50087345
>Inevitably, it ends in an abrasive fanatic with zero ability to compromise or a wishy washy 'all faiths and interpretations are valid, despite the fact that I am playing as a religious crusader' pussy.

You mean how religious people are in real life?

No, I don't play in public, and most of the aggressive christfags wouldn't come near my tabletops. There's some normal christfags at my table, though.

My first THATGUY experience was with a fedorathiest /pol/tard, though. Fedoratheism is practically a religion of its own now.

>>50088673
http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.454/sweden-to-become-a-third-world-country-by-2030-according-to-un.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/11992479/How-Sweden-the-most-open-country-in-the-world-was-overwhelmed-by-migrants.html

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>>50088673
>Sources for this?
Norway's exports
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Norwar_Exports_Tree_Map_(2009).pdf
About 60% of their entire economy runs purely on their resources.

>Sweden's household debt
http://www.reuters.com/article/sweden-economy-idUSL6N0SU28K20141109
It's among the highest among European countries. Sweden is to household debt what Greece is to public debt.

>Sweden has more rapefugees per capita than any other EU country
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/inthefield/2016/04/sweden-backlash-tide-turning-refugees-160408180758209.html

I can't find the source for that other anons statement, but I do remember some UN report stating that Sweden's HDI will be 45th in the world by 2030. The problem with systems that sound good is that they may work for a while, but often end up being unsustainable. The step from socialism to social-democracy only delays the point after which the system can no longer sustain itself.

>>50088892
>look mommy, I posted the hat picture again!
>IT'S A PICTURE OF HATS MOMMY
>NOT AN ARGUMENT, BUT A PICTURE OF A HAT

lol

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>>50088985
Ebin fedoraposting only gives me the (You)s I want and makes me feel more and more superior to you and others, anon.

>>50089042

Euphoric

>>50089058
Indeed I am, anon, thank you.

>>50087101
Paladins have never been devotees of a god (except in 4e), they're devoteed of Good and Law. They can absolutely be religious, but any dedication to their God comes second to Be Good and Be Lawful.

>>50089087
Then how do you explain ur mom? She's the greatest paladin of my dick, and hell she knows how to smite.

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>that one fedoratheist who plays clerics and paladins yet makes his characters 'too smart to believe in gods'
>that other fedoratheist who plays religious characters who flat out kill everybody who's not a believer, ruining the party's relations with multiple townships just to prove a political point
I'd much rather play with a hardcore Christain to be completely honest

>>50088225
My uncle is 48 and he still likes to make all kinds of comments to my 61 year old dad because he is Christian, they fight a lot.

He is the only person in real life I have ever seen use SJW language.

I'm going to run a campaign set in modern day world with mythical shit in it in the following weeks with two guys who are religious to the point of telling me off for swearing if I use any word for the devil.

Little do they know Satan is a character in the setting, running the biggest hypercorporation on the planet behind a false name, and who will at some point hire the pcs to do some mutually beneficial stuff. I'm going to drop hints about it and even give them chance to turn up on him if they figure it out.

>>50089108
What your anus and my mom's strap-on get up to in the privacy of her sex-dungeon is none of my business, anon.

I wish you wouldn't squeal so loudly when you beg her to call you her filthy little bitch, though. It's distracting when I'm trying to work.

>>50088371
1-3% GDP spending on defense and scientific research supported by piggybacking on other nations, huge tax rates, debt.

>>50082926
I had trouble with an atheist player if that counts.
He kept going on about how his character didn't believe in the gods or the supernatural in a time similair to the early middle ages.
I'm not saying its impossible but he was playing as common mercenary and it sort of came of as snowflake.

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>>50089128
>Play with a friend who's a youth pastor
>Plays a bro-tier drunk wizard who's always a hoot to have around
>Dies, but has his soul trappd in a skull
>Convinces the party barbarian to wear the skull as part of his armor so he can cast spells from his shoulder and make everyone think the 4 INT feral warrior is secretly a master magician who can cast while cleaving everything up
One of the most fun campaigns I've ever been in.

>>50089217
>I'm not saying its impossible but he was playing as common mercenary and it sort of came of as snowflake.
You sound like a douche. And pretty silly too, if you think atheists are a recent thing.

>>50089217
>>50089240
And I forgot to add, why would a mercenary atheist be so strange? Those who make a living through sheer murder without even having loyalty to a liege/the established order to pretty it up are unlikely to be people with strong moral convictions or those who take "memento mori" seriously.

My current GM is a heavily-religious actual preacher's son, and we've never had issues with him. He understands the concept of fictional worlds with fictional religions not being a threat to God. Buying into the idea that D&D has actual Satanic power or whatever would be insulting to God, and possibly actually blasphemous.

>>50082926
I had a religious player that had a problem with fellow players using necromancy or spells to summon evil though was fine with the DM throwing out undead and devils to smash. It wasn't just in character but out of character as well he would comment if a PC used a necromancy spells. The only problem I had was when he and the atheist got into arguements that brought the game to a stand still. Oddly enough they argued about everything but religion with the favourite topic of which political party is ruining the country more.

>>50089199
That's alright son, we'll keep it down tonight.

>>50089217
>>50089240
>>50089256
Folk-religion sometimes didn't follow the official line. There are recorded instances of people claiming to disbelieve God, the soul, whatever the conventional afterlife is, and so on. But they often do so piecemeal (disbelieving god but believing in ghosts) or believe even spookier shit (your soul is blood and you can do stuff with it, dead people reincarnate because the air is full of evil spirits that torture them).

Rational humanism and empiricism are kind of distinct things from mere disbelief. They have antecedents, but there's no reason to assume they're a more natural way of thinking once you've rejected faith.

The past is a foreign country and all that.

>>50086803
>>50086824
What a total cuntwaffle.

>>50089288
Anon, that's called roleplaying. Why the fuck wouldn't he have a problem with necromancy?

>>50082926
Yes. They're exceptionally annoying.

>>50089256
Wouldn't you think that someone who has a big chance to die each day would try to keep the gods on his side.
Also there weren't many irrelegious people before the 19th century so like I said it comes off as snowflake.

>>50087134
Divinity is not an objective quality. It's a title conferred on things that are worshiped.

Your 'totally real god' is no more inherently divine than the silly hats you like to shitpost about so much.

>>50088371
Aren't those countries close to economic collapse? Finland hasn't even recovered from 2007 yet, Norway is injecting billions into their failing banks and Sweden has some of the lowest growth in the world.

>>50088371
Sweden's about to become a 3rd world country m8

>>50089341
I can understand that certain individuals would reject certain aspects of spirituality but it makes it a bit cheap when he tries to make his character a 21st century atheist like himself.
My other player is also an atheist but he always roleplays accordingly to the setting.

>>50089380
Let me restate the player had not a roleplaying but an actual out of character problem with Player characters using necromancy and dealing with devils that was linked to his beliefs. I was fine with his view as thats the sort of stuff should be left to villians and very desperate players.

>>50088673
Social democracy is not socialist. Socialism is only about ending private ownership of the means of production. Inequality, wealth redistribution, 'social progress', etc. have nothing to do with it.

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>>50082926

Religious people? No.
Obnoxious Atheists on the other hand whooo boy...

I have been called a satanist pagan and a devil worshiper due to the fact I like to play tabletop. and also because i am atheist. Or maybe it is because i live in the bible belt and there is a large mormon community here. I dont know. I'm not militant. I am a pretty chill atheist, just dont piss me off.

>>50089772
This may sound like a troll post but I am not kidding. I act like a militant atheist sometimes due to the disturbing amount of fundimentalists which live here. They also act like dicks towards atheists like me when i have nothing to provoke them.

>>50089772
God I know that feeling from living in Louisiana. When my mother found out I played DnD I was basically forbidden from leaving the house minus school, and forced to go talk to her pastor for several hours.

>>50089772
>>50089890
I've heard multiple Americans tell me this exact same story only to have later backtracked when people started questioning them.

I think it's much rarer than people make out.

>>50089969
It depends on the family honestly. My family is very religious to the point of almost fanaticism.

>>50089969
It's not rare at all. I could never play D&D with my parents around, let alone own the books, and I lost several group members to their parents finding out that they were playing D&D. Had to switch to Shadowrun, since the name doesn't immediately make it obvious that it has trolls and magic.

>>50089969

It is and/or over exaggerated

Since feminism operates like a religion, occasionally we've gotten looks for playing in public, but no direct confrontation, since they never really had the numbers at my uni.

>>50089969

It was far more of a thing in the past than it is now.

>>50089969
It might sound exaggerated but this is true. It is not as bad as it was in the, lets say, 80's. But people are still dicks. am also indian, and i have faced racism in the past with these evangelical christians

>>50090427
I am also ex-hindu, and being this in the south is not the best place to be...

>>50087281
>never read barbarian description in the player handbook

>>50090450
South India? It's pretty different from the north, yeah.

>>50089222
Kinda like Rogue Trooper, that's cool.
Always wanted to play spellslinging sentient weapons or armor someone else used.

>>50088447
>Because God forbid we reform a dysfunctional system until it's functional! Just throw stuff at it and see what sticks.

Sounds a lot like the U.S. these days.

>>50089265
>Buying into the idea that D&D has actual Satanic power or whatever would be insulting to God, and possibly actually blasphemous

I can accept that ideology from a heavily religious player.

>>50089217
If hes playing a mercenary he could of seen lots of different religions and how those who followed all the different gods still died the same in agony bleeding out, as long as it is a legit part of his character and not just tacked on at the end i wouldnt see a problem with being an atheist in notmedieval times.
Personally im playing a irreligious christian in medieval England its not that he thinks there is not a god he is just entirely a pragmatist whether or not a god exists is largely unimportant to him, he still goes to sunday mass sometimes and is willing to help the church because thats what his boss told him to do.

>>50082926
Religious people have bad experiences with me, thats not a "im tuff" thing thats a "Im a autist and can be offensive by accident".

>>50082926
Yeah, if you bring up an Atheist character, and try to act like you have an IQ north of 80, or question litterally any religion/religious figure, even when they're fighting you, they want to start a debate. I'm sorry I'm not tolerant of a cleric who believes in an ACUTAL EVIL GOD.

Anyway, bad experiences with religious people are pretty universal, but usually it dosen't revolve around religion. Same with Atheists. I feel like people here are overexaggerating how Atheists act, and how theists act witht heir.

>I've litterally never had a problem with a Religious person, but atheists, well they play religious characters BADWRONG, so I have HUGE problems.

>>50082926

On an entirely unrelated note i hate all christian portrayals in Japanese media. Even if it's of portrayals of sects i know to be wrong and don't particularly like, it still stings just because its so very very bad. OP image made me think of it, though to be fair Alexander Anderson is far from the worst christian character in a Japanese ip.

>>50093884
>This is my culture not a costume

>>50087101
>It's like playing a druid who lives in an inner city condo and drives his Toyota Prius to Starbucks every morning to enjoy a double moccha frappuchino made from beans handpicked by Eritrean child slaves.
But anon, hipsters have already managed it. Clearly it's a valid class option

>>50087101
I'm fine with Paladins not needing a god, but Clerics should need gods. I say PAladins are fine, because their main thing is following GOODNESS, and ORDER. Comparatively, Clerics are...religious. It's why Clerics don't 'fall', and why they can be all over the place.

Although I'm not that triggered over Godless Clerics. It'snot a big deal.

>>50094060
Weren't there religious that didn't centre around or even require the worship of gods or divine beings, though, even if they didn't deny their existence either? I think Buddhism is like that, though I don't know much about it and it seems compatible with worship.
They still had clerics or at least holy men and high-ranking members of religious institutions, I assume. You could argue clerics as a class are more based on traditional western religion, though, I guess. Still, I think ideally it should be possible to play those characters too, as a different class if necessary.

>>50082926
Never because I live in a first world country and not some third world shithole.

>>50093982

Exactly.

>>50089450
Except on a game system on which divinity IS an objective quality and you can have literal measurable Divine Ranks which denote what level of god you are, and where gods tangibly rule over fundamental aspects of reality

>>50094522
I can still get why someone would be skeptical. I doubt most Gods pop up to random people, and even then. Gods show they have limits, and then Wizards, are uh...

Well, a Wizard can FUCK your perception of 'Godliness' up, when he can do the same as most gods.

>>50090190
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>50093608
The only thing he said is that he doesn't believe such childish make believe and whenever it came up he said the same thing.

>>50087397
Redefining what it means to be, "human."

>>50094522
>muh power
Not an argument.

I just don't understand how people can get butthurt about religion in their RPG's. I'm an atheist myself and in the 40k RPG campaigns I insist on playing tech PRIESTS. You know, RELIGIOUSLY OVERZEALOUS PRIEST-GINEERS, And I don't even dare make an 'atheist techie' because why the fuck would I? Playing a cyborg priest who gets butthurt if you blow out his prayer candles and threatens you with servitorisation 'as penance to the machine god' is fun!

>>50088391
This.
I especially like to bring in faiths based around Taoism because it's basically just a philosophy that is supposed to explain the nature of the world.
I fluff my nature clerics and druids this way.

>>50082926
Some jehovan witnesses live neraby, so I keep runing nto them at least once per month. I keep telling them I'm Jew, and my people does not read the Bible - we write it.

>>50082926
I had an atheist player have a problem with the religious themes of warhammer 40k. Playing deathwatch.

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>be third world player
>manage to gather up a large group of players, for different games and different walks of life
>city gives us public spaces
>some local public libraries buy rulebook and give us priority for the weekends to use the rooms and outdoor places
>for a time it was the golden age of traditional games in my third world country.
>poor kids where kept in school thanks to our game, since we demanded passing grades in math, one natural science, one human science and one art.
>growing community it was good
>evangelist find out that we where taking "their spaces"
>power struggle wars started between the nerds and the evangelist
>we did not give a single step back, we even try to share the places.
>evangelist pull the "think of the children" card
>local authorities where confuse as fuck
>evangelist rent all the rulebook from the liberies, and start to burn them, while chanting.
>one of us saw that, made some calls in old wall phones.
>large mob of angry nerds storm the place trying to save the books from the fire.
>no idea who give the first blow, fight starts.
>Angry nerds vs chanting evangelist
>police is call. No criminal charges, not even for the book burning that where public property.

The golden age of game had ended. Still have some scars from that day.

>New plan to start a second golden age.
>religious nuts deeply rooted in position of power in the city.
>new younger players are way to weak and whinny.
>the old dogs and old hags that put the good fight are busy with life and do not have the stamina to pull another golden age on their own.

Everyone lost after that, school drop outs, public spaces no longer use beside the religious nuts. Liberies shutting down.

It is a dark age of technology, the new blood are way to comfortable in their safe spaces of bad micro transaction games and too soft to endure the challenges of proper nerding.

So we have to go for propaganda and break the religious nuts. Make them fight with each other.

>>50082926
Played with a "satanist" once. Kept trying to crank up the edgy-o-meter in the game. As in kidnapping children and indoctrinating them into a cult to the biblical satan in a non-earth magic, established light religion + minor cults, fantasy world where he was playing a construct literally created by a demi-god.

>>50093884
You sound like a bloody protestant, anon.

>>50082926
Religious people have only been rude out of game. But to be fair, plenty of people from all walks of life were willing to shit on it. (Depending on the time period, these days most don't care)

Atheists have been problems in game, but again, shitty people come from everywhere.

Only real difference is I've never had a religious person shit up a game specifically because they're religious, but I have had an atheist shit up a game because of religion.

AND WE'RE BACK TO RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WAT DO THREADS!

Soon there will be elf slave wat do threads everywhere.

>>50088673
What you meant is Social democratic countries still rely on government intervention.

And that is the issue.

It produces an unsustainable economy based around schemes to sass out public money through useless shit like "NGO"s or "social" radio stations who are only listened to because you are labelled as a Nazi if you don't.
It's an eye opener when you know that people are actually mooving to eastern Europe to "flee" these countries.

>No, that Church guy isn't evil, have you even read the lore? you wanted to play this setting not me.

I legitimately don't understand why so many fellow Atheists automatically assume anybody religious is evil or simply plotting against them.

Modifying OSR adventures so they don't have to go any where near the Church is ridiculous.

>>50098029
>It's an eye opener when you know that people are actually mooving to eastern Europe to "flee" these countries.

[citation needed]

While in uni met a girl who was quite a religious Catholic (sang in a quire, went to church etc) who loved World of Darkness. She played in a Vampire game and then ran a Demon the Fallen game.

Never injected religion but I never saw her playing evil characters. When a vampire she was very much into high Humanity concept.

Even weirder with Demon since she never showed them to be outlandishly evil or something. Pretty much ran the game the way the book described.

She was however a terrible GM in other regards: railroading is the only way she knew how to run and she had bipolar too, so she would get angry very quickly when we did not follow the story the way she wanted us to

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>>50082926
Not really, I had one player who is very staunchly religions who is a bit of a munchkin, but that was his play style and not his religion.
Other than that he was a very good player.

Honestly the only people I have seen with severe hangups about religion and morality are the borderline SJW people that somehow sneak into my games.

>>50082926
>did you ever had

>>50098554

I guess it's got something to do with video games. There's a reason corrupt church and religion of evil are tropes, they're widespread enough to matter. A lot of JRPGs, for example, have a religious villain. SMT, Tales of Symhonia, heck, even chrono Trigger had a bend of this with the early game Cathedral bit. It's not that they're anti.religion, they might just be wrong genre savvy.

>>50094317
Pretty sure deities still exist in Buddhism, as simply a higher class of being, as we are to animals. You don't worship them though.

That said, Buddhism is really, really weird in that regard, and it needs to be said that it didn't just happen to be a godless religion - it's a spinoff of Hinduism, where EVERYTHING is Brahman.

>>50093982
>i'll put it in greentext to mock its credibility
I love how parochial some people are.

>>50097680
Give me one actual anime Roman Catholic.

>>50099296

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7RgN9ijwE4

>>50097243

Indeed. If you are an atheist and you can't handle playing a religious character, then you aren't roleplaying.

I am an atheist, but I have played many types of characters, including religious ones, and always tried to portray them well and fairly. My religious characters have not been dishonest in their beliefs, and as roleplayer I must try to view the world as my character does.

>>50102277
That's because a popular religious cult decided to release sarin everywhere, it made the average Japanese extremely suspicious of religion afterwards.

>>50106282

Huh, i see. Wonder when it happene, i don't recall ever hearing of it... But my point still stands, people play RPGs, and end up reasoning that a tabletop RPG runs by the same logic, therefore the chruch is probably either a front, or outright corrupt in and of itself.

>>50106426
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack
It pretty ended JWs in Japan (still around but nothing like the presence they used to have). Being associated with a slightly odd religious group was suddenly not something to be desired.

>>50088225

>My anecdotal evidence is better than yours

lol
Having lived in rural and urban areas in a conservative province of Canada, I can say with 100% certainty that I have met both bible thumpers and fedoras. Neither have bothered me directly. The fedoras were more annoying second-hand.

I'm more or less an atheist as far as most people are concerned (actually pantheist master race) and Christfags have never bothered me. Once some mormons absolutely insisted on handing me a pamphlet, so I guess that counts. The pamphlet was fucking retarded btw.

>>50082926
I had a coworker evangelize me for about 3 months.
They eventually quit that job because it was boring, and they just couldn't deal with being bored.
It's kind of shitty that if someone asks you your religion, and you tell them you are atheist, they take it as a chance to repeatedly inform you what hell is and that you could go there for the rest of the time they know you.
And, on top of that, hell would be a pretty sweet fucking deal compared to nonexistance.

>>50105200
Man, as an atheist, religious characters are some of the most fun.
Do you -know- how fucking deus vult crusader I would be if I found out a deity was real? 110% goddamnit.
Hell, I would be that way for even a moderately powerful wizard.
That guy can summon ghosts? I'LL FIGHT FOR HIM!

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>>50086797
>angry atheists.
How about folks who go, "Morality is relative. Good and evil are just a matter of perspective."?

Take that stance in real life if you want. But don't do that shit in your Pathfinder campaign to explain the LE paladin (not antipaladin, not blackguard, not anything else) who just beat the rogue to death.