What are the deal with these guys? How could someone armed with

>>49967647
I don't know, just looking at that gloriously insane motherfucker I don't have a hard time believing he can kill pretty much anything he puts his mind to.

>>49967647
>What are the deal
>are

wut

>>49967647
Culexus assassins are trained/modified to focus their nullification effect to the point where it can destroy people's souls. They can literally kill with a touch and that weird ocular tube on their helmet is basically a gun that shoots that green flash spell from Harry Potter.

>>49967740
Anything that has some level of warp signature can be taken out by the massive null-amplification of the Animus Gun. Even Tau. Maybe other blanks, I don't know. But mostly psykers.

It's worth remembering, however, that this dude is still an assassin. If you somehow manage to resist his head gun motherfucker can still just shank you eight ways to sunday.

>>49967647
Cant they pretty much turn invisible? Like they can make people not notice them, I think he got in the back of a devilfish with a bunch of tau and just stood in the corner avoiding physical touch

So, do they shoot laser out of their eyes or actual shots? I keep on thinking that the recoil would blast their head off.

>>49967647
Does it have a soul?
If yes, then a Culexus can fuck its shit up in ways that make Evesors seem mercyful.

>>49967647
>How could someone armed with only anti-psyker weaponry end up killing Tau or other non-psykers?
the etherium renders them invisible to all life forms and electronic sensors

They're the imperial assassin best suited to actual assassinations of alien powers. Problem is they're exponentially harder to make and maintain than all the other assassin temples combined.

>>49970339
It's a non-physical weapon that focuses their null field into a blast that deletes people's souls. It doesn't function according to Newtonian physics, it's literally a nothing-cannon.

>>49967740
has it right. When a Culexus activates their Animus Speculum it is essentially like casting Avada Kedavra. It's a flash of light that just ends its target's life in a manner that appears to have no physical cause. There is no recoil, no measurable energy emission, just a flash, a feeling of nausea and horror, and the immediate death of the target.

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>>49967671
I see what you did there, punny!

Assassinorum, my favorite -norum.

>>49967647
snap there neck?

Has anyone ever survived an attack by one of them, or killed one in a fight? They seem pretty unstoppable. Worth noting that of all the assassins sent to wipe out tau leadership, the culexus was the only one successful

>>49967647
They're far stronger, tougher and faster than Humans can naturally be, though not quite on the level of true Astartes they'd still beat world records left, right and centre in the modern day for most physical abilities.

That and the Etherium is straight-up Phase tech, you know, that usually Necron stuff that allows them to selectively go out-of-phase and not interact with physical reality, up to and including hiding themselves from active scanners and walking through non-warded walls?

>>49970919
One of the Necron named characters managed to capture a Culexus. That being said pretty much everything the Culexi do that's more esoteric than just being a complete baddass, either comes from or has an equivalent in Necron science.

That and Necron named characters are top-tier by virtue of getting away with completely ridiculous shit all the time.

>>49967901
>Anything that has some level of warp signature can be taken out by the massive null-amplification of the Animus Gun. Even Tau. Maybe other blanks, I don't know. But mostly psykers.

Pretty sure that it shouldn't work on true, soulless, pariah-level blanks like the culexus themselves. If I was writing the rules it would be a witchfire power so that they couldn't target other models with the 'psychic abomination' rule.

>>49967647
tau are not soulless, just literally tau level of warp presence/perception according to the imperial scale of measurement for psykers.

>>49971038
Hypothetically it wouldn't work on true robots either, that being said the TT doesn't exactly follow the lore particularly closely when it comes to this sort of thing, such as Daemons and Necrons suffering from standard poisons gamewise.

>>49970278
I can imagine this being a nice piece of fluff and vaguely remember it, can anybody point out where it originates from?

>>49971082
Warzone Damocles: Mont'ka, latter half of the fluff section.

>>49970278
Yup. On tabletop, it means anyone attacking them counts as WS/BS 1.

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>>49970919
They definitely have the highest success rate out of the Assassin Temples.

That said, there are a lot of things that would stomp them into the dirt without too much trouble. They're not even the best soulless abominations - that honour goes to pic related.

>>49971742
Piss off, you heretical elf-fucker.

>>49971742
We haven't actually seen any real comparisons that would tell us how a Solitaire vs. Culexus would turn out. The general trend seems to be that the Culexus has a way stronger anti-psychic field and Phase-tech, but the Solitaire is, in general, a better combatant.

All that aside I think Culexi are one of the few mortals Harlequins would have to take completely seriously in order to not risk getting ripped in half.

I've always gotten the impression that Culexus assassins are the most loyal. Is that accurate? If so, what keeps them loyal?

>>49971742
>hitting a spooky ghost at WS1
you got out-spooked, faker

>>49971818
Eh, the Harlequin wank is for real.

Two clowns can cut through legions of Custodes apparently.

Agreed though, I think it'd be far cooler for them to have a bitching fight rather than a one-sided curbstomp.

>>49971830
the culexus temple is the only place that doesn't fucking loathe them simply for existing

>>49971864
If I recall that entire chapter was written as almost self-contradictory, one of the two Harlequins (each being one of the better kinds, Shadowseer and I think it was a Death Jester?) noted that the Custodes would have been worthy combatants one-on-one, right before they kill a few casually, right before a Custodes hits the Shadowseer almost too fast for it to see.

That and they completely forgot the whole psychic fuckery about two paragraphs after they wrote it.

>>49971830
>>49971875
How did the Emperor feel about blanks? Did he love them like all humans, or was their lack of a human soul too much?

>>49971837
>10 attacks when charging from up to 36"
>6's automatically wound at AP2
>one of those 6's causes instant death

Nigga please. This is one of a the few instances where Solitaires are actually worth their points, as they do not remotely care about being WS1 in combat with a single target.

>>49971830
Culexi aren't people, Anon, almost none of the Assassins are. The reason why they're so good at what they do is they're rebuilt, mind and body, almost from the ground up to be perfect killers. They're not just living weapons metaphorically, their bodies have been augmented to hell and back, their minds have been straight-up pseduoprogrammed for combat and efficient thought, they instinctively move exactly as they need to for maximum effect (whether that's taking a step forward, dodging a blade or picking up a rock), and their minds are almost completely detatched from some concepts of Humanity. All of this is doubly true for Culexi.

Space Marines are more Human than Assassins by this point, maybe Skitarii, too.

>>49971875
>>49971909
When they die they're just gone, right? Other humans go the the Emperor, or get taken by a Chaos god, or just drift around in the void, or whatever?

>>49971061
I believe one of the older necron codexes explained that as being because people would logically switch their poisons to acids and such when fighting necrons. It was in the same paragraph as the part that explained why the soulless fearless robots could fail leadership tests.

Basically it was "just work this shit out, necrons being immune to posion and fear and shit would be OP".

>>49971927
Yeah but there are still assassins that turn traitor.

>>49971909
>Did he love them like all humans
He had a personal harem of sexy blanks.

He probably valued their skills more highly than anyone else in the setting has. Which makes their complete devotion to the Emperor's cause despite how the Imperium treats them kinda touching.

>>49971919
>Nigga please.
can't change the fact that you got s p o o k e d by the skeleton, elf

>>49971919
>Solitaire
>3-4 hits
>1/5 chance of a Rend, which does nothing
>1/30 chance of ID
>2-3 wounds for those 10 attacks
>1-2 saved
>1 wound taken

>>49971909
He kept a personal entourage nearby at almost all times despite the physical pain they caused him.

>>49972055
>>49971979
>>49971909
Fuck the Horus Heresy, I love the emperor.

>>49972030
>My math
>This bad

I apologise in advance, remembered some of the rules wrong. Still, not killing the Culexus on the charge by missing 4/6 attacks, against T4, and vs. a 4+ Invulnerable save.

Probably wins in the end, though.

>>49972030
The Culexus' response is pretty unlikely to deal a single wound in return however. Remember, the Etherium doesn't bring the attacker's WS down for the purposes of hitting them, and he's got to get through a 3++ to do anything.

>>49967647

dont they have like sweet fukkan lightning blades as well? or is that old fluff

>>49972093
He's still doing about a wound in return, and the solitaire's odds go down dramatically after using his 10-attack maneuver.

It'd be a pretty close punch up.

Mathematically a Culexus and a Solitaire are likely to simply remain locked in combat for the entire game, with the Solitaire dealing 1-2 wounds when it charges and then neither of them hurting one another.

>>49967647
Listen just because someone in specializes in killing one thing doesn't mean they can't kill other things that are weaker than the one thing they're specialized in killing.
Just like how Marines are specialized in killing enemy soldiers doesn't mean they can't murder your presumably fat ass.

>>49972131
>Two soulless abominations, considered well beyond most others in sheer combat capability, fighting to a standstill as the war rages on around them

I'm okay with this.

>>49972156
>>49972131
This is the kind of stuff that makes it to legends
Imagine this happening in some kind of feudal world.

Black guy in death mask fighiting against a bizzare clown.
Or not, cause they can't actually see their moves, it;s just a blur for common people.
Fighting for days and nights, until the both pass away from exhaustion

>>49972251
>>49972156
It's kinda a shame that the Culexus' martial ability is almost never played up. They get important kills, but boring ones.

Tau Space Pope for example.

>>49972421
The same could be said for vindicares. They rarely do anything beyond shoot someone really well.

>>49972421
I'm pretty sure that was an Eversor, the other guys who wear skull masks.

I vaguely remember the fluff about it battling its way to the bottom floor of the command centre, gutting the Ethereal, and then blowing up from being shot by his bodyguard, taking out most of the command centre in the process.

>>49972472
that was a regular ethereal, in the Taros campaign

A culexus killed the supreme space pope commander mao stalin hitler in GW's big two-book tau thing. Knocked him off of his stupid chair after making all of his bodyguards scream blood out of their eyeballs.

>>49972496
Ahh... good, the Tau needed to be taken down a peg or two.

>>49972421
Better than the Vanus and Venenum assassins get.
Their kills are likely just as important, but nobody cares because they have little to no battlefield utility, which means no models.

>>49972890

You niggas did the Tau a favor Shadowsun or Farsight leading the Tau would wreck your shit

>>49973626
Except Shadowsun and Farsight are under the misconceptions of the rest of the Tau race, implanted unto them by the Ethereals, Farsight far less so of course.

They wouldn't be particularly skilled at managing the tremendous socio-political and informational networks of cloak and dagger the Ethereal Caste has set up, and if you try to 're-establish' a new order and temporarily destabilise the Tau Empire in the process they'll get eaten by the incoming Tyranids long before they have a chance to attain similar levels of efficiency and effectiveness.

Ethereals aren't just manipulative, moustache-twirling villains. They're incredibly competent manipulators and know how to get the most out of their people, whether or not it's good for their subjects themselves.

>>49972496
>Knocked him off of his stupid chair

Really? That's more hilarious to me than Tau getting their faction leader offed, weirdly enough.

>>49967647
I love that Humanity randomly just pops out unspeakable abominations that defy all logic sometimes.

>>49973838
>I love that Humanity randomly just pops out unspeakable abominations that defy all logic sometimes.

Like the Emprah?

>>49973767
It toyed with him too. It could have easily outran him and killed him, but instead it let him run through the abandoned imperial hive while shutting his pants and being plagued with nightmares. When it finally caught up to him it took its time killing him in ways too horrible to speak about. Talk about bad end

>>49967647
Culexus Assassins fuck psykers up super hard but anything with a soul is valid game for their powers because they are basically just compressing and extending the void where their soul should be and smothering other people with it.

>>49973946
> The Emperor, who is himself.
> The other fucking Perpetuals, who literally will not die and have no explanation for this fact.
> Literally ever Assassin, some of whom have fucking wrecked Space Marines in combat.

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>>49974106
>culexus assassins hate the tau as much as I do
I want to protect that smile.

>>49974235
To be fair, the Assassins are also hyper-augmented and extremely conditioned, even if they are almost exclusively made from the natural superhumans.

>>49974235
The Emperor got much of his power from a bargain with Chaos.

Perpetuals are mostly made that way by alien tech.

Assassins are genetically and cybernetically enhanced.

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>>49974309
>The Emperor got much of his power from a bargain with Chaos.

>>49974309
>The Emperor got much of his power from a bargain with Chaos.

Even in the new (bad/worse) half-truth heresy canon he didn't, he just tricked the chaos gods and ripped them off to make primarchs. It wasn't him.

>>49973693

Tzeentch or the lost Primachs will steer the tau to victory as always

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>>49974246
Friends 4ever

>>49974516
I like how the Eversor just looks so sad that he's not out killing things.

>>49975624
Are Eversors always a one-use thing, or do they "shut down" if they don't get damaged enough to explode? Also are they ALWAYS insane? I imagine they'd have to go through some amount of special training, since just anyone could be pumped full of drugs.

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>>49975768
They can be retrieved and put back into stasis if they survive.
They don't stop until the target is dead or they are.
They aren't insane. That's a meme. They're closer to the Terminator.

>>49975768
I believe most of the training is straight up implanted in them. They're filled with even more drugs and mods than the rest, and holy shit are they cray cray.

During "The Beheading" three different chapters of Astartes were sent after the Grand Master of the Assassins. They encountered a room filled with Eversor Assassins. One Astartes survived.

>>49971742
Since when are Solitaires Soulless? Humans get Blanks and Pariahs because the Necrons fiddled with their genome but Eldar were created by the Old Ones.

>>49973838
Necron engineering at its finest.

>>49975768
>Also are they ALWAYS insane?

No, I imagine they have some sort of inhibitor drug in their system that controls their Frenzon levels, maybe getting higher and more violent as they approach the target, but they are just as able to sneak somewhere as to be a whirlwind of gore.

>>49971909
big E was so powerful he bred a special regiment of blank women, and despite being psychic himself they couldn't hurt him in any significant way

>>49976167
Would they even want to though? I mean he was a pretty cool guy to them, purposefully breeding them to not have souls aside.

>>49975768
they pretty much have a switch from assassin to Red Butcher Crazy
activated remotely of course

>>49976184
Blanks can't really control their blankness. It's only through technology the culexis can mask his aura of "everyone is bleeding"

Emps just loves all righteous humans. Even the ones without souls.

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supersized noone's posted this yet.

>>49976831
> A dick so blank, it fuckin' hurts to look at.

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>>49976872
Oh deary me, I forgot to censor it.

Tau have some psychic presence just not very much. That's all it takes.

>>49967647
Mr Culexus can emit a spooky aura that renders people paralyzed with fear, reverse it to literally remove his presence from your mind, become ethereal so your bullets shoot past him and other space magic including a headmounted death laser.

On top of that shit he is an Assassin which means he is past peak human form and probably knows space kung fu and is so heavily augmented that he can punch tanks.

>>49971038
Nigga there was an incident where a Culexus fought another Culexus and the loser got turned into Ash.

>>49976831
>>49976968
>>49976872
That Tau's gonna give a surprise blowjob

>>49972496
What is the name of these books please.

>>49976029
I also remembered them being Eldar Blanks, but now looking it up to try and quote, it seems the fluff changed with the new Harlequin dex.

Old Solitaires as I remember
>Soulless, and basically treated how the Imperium treats their Blanks, shunned and feared
>However the Eldar also have an intense respect as they're the only ones that can play Slaanesh in the Dance
>They are the best murderclowns

New fluff
>Solitaires are the best murderclowns
>They've double-damned their soul to Slaanesh in order to play the part in the Dance
>Even talking to them outside of the dance is dangerous, hence being pariahs in the traditional sense

>>49976167
>>49976184
>Bred them

I bet the Sistahs loved the Emperor's golden dickings.

>>49978093
If an Alpha+ level psyker and an Omega- level blank managed to bone without one or both of them dying would they produce the universe's most powerfully average human being?

>>49978093
They're 40k's christmas cake. Emps just has impeccable taste.

>>49978233
>>49978238
Think about it, their psychic potentials would probably counter each other and the result would be another blank Sistah.

Obviously you need to dilute his sperm a little so the Emperor probably needed a lot of Oral/Anal/Armpit/Thigh sex before he gave them a proper creampie for actual breeding purposes.

>>49978238
I bet the sisters of silence are actually quiet because they lost their voice during the day because of the all night non stop Emperor fucking buffet and the endless "~Ahhhns" they make.

>>49978369
Hilariously this is actually my joke-headcanon.

>>49978309
>>49978369
>>49978498
Wow, I just felt my sense of humor just commit suicide after reading that. Please, consider killing yourselves

>>49967647
ask a Necron for help.

>>49970954
>though not quite on the level of true Astartes

Marine fags actually believe this.

Short of a primarch or a Custode, Assassins are the pinnacle of the Imperium's genecraft.

>>49979468
Hm, questionable.

Assassins have dramatically higher tech and obviously superior training, but the genecrafting seems to be on a lower level. The most obvious example would be the Eversor's artificial heart, where marines have a second natural one.

Assassins seem to rely more on technology for their esoteric abilities and defenses (culexus null aura aside), where Space Marines have the geneseed.

>>49979557
>Space Marines have the geneseed.

mass-produced press-molded plastic versus hand crafted killing machine.

You are confusing quality for quantity. The Geneseed only exists to expedite the super soldier process but it isn't the most precise, efficient or even as effective as other means, even in the Imperium.

>>49979656
>versus hand crafted killing machine.
I'm saying the assassins are built with more than just genetic tinkering, where space marines are created ENTIRELY through genetic tinkering.

Marines have a host of abilities the assassins don't, largely because assassins don't need those survival mechanisms. The rapid-healing tissue, the enhanced bone matter and significantly altered skeletal structure, all those extra (and natural) organs... They're all things assassins flat out don't need in their missions, or are already covered by their equipment

Of course assassins are higher quality end products. That's why they're under the strict supervision of the High Lords for all of their deployments. But we're talking strictly genetic shit here, not the whole package.

>>49979713
>we're talking strictly genetic shit here

I would still say even the genetic augmentation that the assassins get alone is superior to geneseed. Even if the specifics are not extensively covered in fluff like the marines are.

Just going by resources dedicated to even one assassin and how hush hush the process is.

>>49979557
The mechanical heart that can restart itself, and revive the assassin from otherwise terminal trauma even beyond that?

Do you want two okay hearts, or one ducking awesome archeotech heart?

>>49979768
Thing is, there's no real evidence or indication it's from genetic modification or (what I personally assume) cybernetics, combat drugs and the synskin.

They're S4/T4, but we're never really shown (even in things like Inquisitor) how strong or tough they are directly compared with a space marine. They're just "roughly analogous". More skilled, much faster, loaded with the highest tech possible, yes, but it's not like they line up an eversor and an ultramarine to compare biceps.

>>49979799
Considering marines have complete conscious control over all of their normally unconscious bodily functions, they could restart their own hearts if they wanted to.

It's kind of silly.

How do you even RP a blank in one of the FFG games?

>>49979883
Play them as maladjusted creeps, emo outcasts, hard asses with intimacy issues, or sociopaths.

>>49979883
Don't bathe for several months, and make sure you sit as close as possible to your GM. Also be sure to eat foods that give you plenty of gas before the session.

He needs to be physically revolted by your presence to really get the true blank experience.

>>49979883
Blanks are born hated and most get killed from how much people irrationally fear and loathe them by nature. Just work with their suffering and make them an edgelord of either the cold-hearted, pragmatic sociopath variety, or the kind of bloodthirsty, megalomaniatic psychopath that makes Eversors and Blood Angels marines in Black Rage pale in comparason.

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>>49976831

IMPERIUM GET OUT

>>49971082
>>49971128
It is an item known as Etherium that distorts the light around the assassin. On tabletop it reduces shooting againt the assasin down to bs1 after all other modifiers (even markerlights)

>>49980024
>>49980168
Thanks buds, seems like maladjusted people though I should've realized that I suppose.

>>49980308
Basically take someone who's been shat on their entire life. I'm talking nearly beaten to death multiple times and shunned by family and society to the point that they have likely nearly starved to death and been denied medical attention. Saying hi to someone is likely to earn a punch in the face or at least some spit on their shoes, you can forget about getting a date. Hell a blank could have a solid 10 body and not be able to make decent money as a whore.

Now take that person and tell them it's not their fault, they just don't have a soul!

Now work from there.

>>49971742
Solitaires are not soulless. The laughing god has to win their sould from slaanesh when they die.

>>49976029
>>49980504
Solitaires allow Cegorach to pluck out their souls so that they can play Slaanesh and channel its power without being corrupted. They are for all intents and purposes nulls that aren't born that way.

They do all the things nulls do, like causing super paranoia and fear (especially in psykers), being hard to focus on, etc.

>>49974309
>The Emperor got much of his power from a bargain with Chaos.
>Perpetuals are mostly made that way by alien tech.
Fuck off carnac.

>>49981389
First of all, that's not Carnac.

Secondly, there are two types of Perpetuals. The True Perpetuals (Emperor, Alivia, Olly), and the Cabal Perpetuals that were made that way via the Cabal science.

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>>49974409
Eat a dick, you lying bastard. The novel makes it clear that the Emperor was a perpetual (albeit potent psyker) but left the bargain a godlike being.

Most of the Emperor power is taken from the bargain and should he confront the Chaos Gods directly, they will take back their power and murder him.

>>49981436
>The novel makes it clear
>Posts a part that is not in fact clear

>>49981456
>You : I cannot read because I am a retard

Question. Have you read the novel?

>>49981472
>You: I'm going to shove my conclusions of things even if unwritten because I'm a fanboy

Question. Have you understood the novel?

>>49981503
Yes, I did.

And stop evading the question, you coward. Have you or have you not read the novel.

What happens when daemons encounter culexus assassins? Can they even perceive th m at all, seeing as they lack warp signatures?

>>49981533
Blanks are invisible to daemons sight but they can feel their negative presence.

>>49981536
>990.M32 A GHOST AMONGST DEVILS

>The Culexus Assassin Dranos is sent to destroy the Sorcerer Xantaka before he can conjure any more daemonic legions from the Warp. Being all but invisible to not only the aethersight of Xantaka’s Daemon armies but also his Rubricae bodyguard, Dranos simply walks up to the Sorcerer Xantaka and burns his brains to ash with a blast of negative energy.

Related event.

>>49981550
Also more related text considering Eldar Craftwoerlds are defended by psychic defenses and all Eldar have witch sight.

>452.M34 THE BLINDED SEER

>A Culexus Assassin is sent to claim the head of the manipulative Farseer Lithandros-Esmanthil. The Eldar senses the threat and scries the skeins of fate accordingly, but is increasingly alarmed to find he is unable to locate the thread corresponding to his pursuer. After a long and terrifying hunt, the Assassin ambushes his prey in the lonely halls of Saim-Hann’s Dome of Reflection. Rendered psychically inert and driven to exhaustion by the chase, Lithandros-Esmanthil gives himself up to the sinister violence that follows.

>>49981436
It's far more likely that referring the the power used to create the Primarchs. Dont know why you even bother with it as its from retcon library anyway.

>>49981523
Yes, I did.

Now post what your burden dictated you to and post an actual extract where the bargain is confirmed, not implied, nor conjectured or doubted, inequivocably addressed, you misinforming piece of shit.

>>49981591
>referring the the power used to create the Primarchs.

The Emperor entered the Gateway a Perpetual and came out a godlike being. His empowerment by the Chaos Gods meant that he cannot face the Chaos Gods directly. It wasn't simply knowledge about how to create the Primarchs, what he took from the gods changed him fundamentally.

>>49981603
>Yes, I did.

Doubtful.

Then tell me what's happening in (>>49981436) and is that character.

>>49981614
>The Emperor entered the Gateway a Perpetual and came out a godlike being.
Nah. BL keeps pushing the Primarchs basically being warp creatures and this is what Emps makes right after this. It also explains the Gods interferring with them and trying to claim them for themselves.

>>49981624
who is that*

>>49981523
Not that guy but it's pretty fucking obvious from reading that book that the Emperor was always something more that "just" a perpetual. We do not know what happens when he is in the warp but using even a modicum of logic shows us how retarded it would be for the Chaos Gods to gift power rivalling their own to the one being that already has the power, and power in the material realm, to thwart their plans. And why would the Emperor, who has always fought against Chaos, gift them such power over him? Far more likely is that the Emperor went into the warp and used his abilities to harness the pure power of the warp in order to gain the knowledge he required, which no doubt upset the Chaos Gods, as they consider the entirety of the warp to be theirs, even though it's never truly been the case.

tl;dr lrn reading comprehension you ADB tainthugger

>>49981629
>Nah

The Emperor took the power of the Chaos Gods to become godlike and to create the primarchs. In the same way a Chaos God can create a daemon.

>>49981638
Fuck you.

>"just" a perpetual.

The novel makes a note that the Emperor needed a ship before his empowerment and after that he could just teleport back to Terra.

He wasn't a godlike being beforehand.

Also the Gateway leads to the Ebon Road and the Ebon Road leads to the Court of the Chaos Gods. The Emperor entering the Gateway means he was going to meet the Chaos Gods.

After all of that was done, the Emperor stole his power from the Chaos Gods, it was impossible for him to close the Gateway because drawing near the Chaos Gods whom he has rip off would be lethal to him. So he had his fellow Perpetual guard the gate while he teleported out.

Now I spoiled everything for that liar above.

You know, being made of warpstuff explains why the primarchs are such mental fuckups.

>>49981681
I dunno about that.

Be'lakor and Gyre are warpborn. Both of them are sane and rational beings who are very pleasant.

>>49981679
>yeah let me just fight all four of the chaos gods for no reason
Of course he's going to avoid them. Every living being that has a choice does.

Next thing you're going to say is "The emperor was just a normal dood, it's not like 10,000 shamans merged their souls together in a ritual suicide or anything."

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>>49981732
>Of course he's going to avoid them.

He had a choice of trying to seal the gateway to the gods but he couldn't because, according to his friend Perpetual, he wasn't able since drawing near to the being he tricked would be suicide for him.

>The emperor was just a normal dood,

Nah, he is a Perpetual and they don't have a known origin.

>>49981639
>The Emperor took the power of the Chaos Gods to become godlike and to create the primarchs.
You keep just saying that but no proof. Despite what you opinion is on the matter it's unclear.

My explanation doesnt shit on old fluff and allows for a better explanation of the creation of the Primarchs whilst also giving the 4 a reason to be mad.

>>49981679
Also using this much headcanon as fact is going to make this thread into a skub war.

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Then of course there is the Angel of Fire.

The Emperor returned to Molech with the 3 of the Primarchs (Horus, Fulgrim, and Morty) thousand of years later. After Molech was secured, the Emperor did a mindblock spell that blocked the memory of what happened on the planet and the truth about it from the minds of the three Primarchs. From that spell power, the Emperor created the Angel of Fire who would be the Gateway's Guardian. His Perpetual friend could finally quit guarding the gate and live a normal life.

Horus destroyed the Angel of Fire and instantly the memory block was lifted from the minds of three Primarchs.

>>49981776
>You keep just saying that but no proof. Despite what you opinion is on the matter it's unclear.

You

see

>>49981436

The wo,an was with him when he entered the Gateway and he tasked her with guarding the gateway until his return.

She witnessed the whole thing and guided the Emperor to back to reality. She says he stole their power and so he did.

Your explanation is headcanon from a guy who hasn't read the novel.

>>49981787
Lets see what Horus who has his blocked memory restored has to say on the matter.

>‘What’s at Lupercalia?’ asked Abaddon, his voice forever burned down to a scorched rasp. ‘What did you learn from the thing in the cave’s death?’

>Horus nodded and said, ‘I remembered why the Emperor came here, what He found and why He didn’t want anyone else to know about it. Lupercalia is where I’ll find what we need to win this long war.’

>‘So what did it show you?’ asked Aximand.

>‘All in good time,’ said Horus. ‘But, first, I have a question for you, my sons. Do any of you know how life began on Old Earth?’

>No one answered, but he hadn’t expected them to; the question too far beyond their usual sphere of interaction.

>‘Sir?’ said Maloghurst. ‘What does that have to do with Molech?’

>‘Everything,’ said Horus, enjoying this rare moment to be a teacher instead of a warrior. ‘Some of Earth’s scientists believed life began as an accidental chemical reaction deep in the oceans around hydrothermal vents. A chance energy gradient that facilitated the transformation of carbon dioxide and hydrogen into simple amino acids and proto-cells. Others believed life came to Earth by exogenesis, microorganisms entombed deep in the hearts of comets travelling the void.’

>Horus walked to the edge of the lake, his warriors parting before him. He knelt and scooped a handful of water in his palm. He turned to face his sons and let it spill between his fingers.

>‘But that’s not where you and I came from,’ said Horus. ‘As it turns out, our dream didn’t begin on Earth at all.’

>>49971927
proofs ?

>>49981821
>Shock greeted the Warmaster’s pronouncement. Disbelief and confusion. Aximand felt the ground beneath him turn to shifting sand at the truth of the Warmaster’s words.

>‘Don’t you feel it, my sons?’ continued Horus. ‘Don’t you feel how special Molech is? How singular among all the worlds we have won it is?’

>Aximand found himself nodding, and saw he wasn’t the only one.

>Lupercal walked in a circle, jabbing a fist into his palm with every sentence.

>‘At the dawn of the great diaspora, the Emperor travelled here in humble guise and found the gateway to a realm of immortal gods. He offered them things only a god-in-waiting could offer, and they trusted Him. They gave Him a measure of their power, and with that power He wrought the science to unlock the mysteries of creation.’

>Horus was radiant as he spoke, as though he had already ascended to a divine plane of reality.

>‘But the Emperor had no intention of honouring His debt to the gods. He turned on them, taking their gifts and blending them with His genecraft to give birth to demigods. The Emperor condemns the warp as unnatural, but only so no other dares wield it. The blood of the immaterial realm flows in my veins. It flows in all our veins, for as I am the Emperor’s son, you are the Sons of Horus, and the secret of our genesis was unlocked upon Molech. The gateway to that power is in Lupercalia, far beneath the mountain rock. Sealed away from the light by a jealous god who knew that someday one of His sons would seek to surpass His deeds.’

>And finally Aximand understood why they had come here, why they had expended such resources and defied all military logic to follow in the footsteps of a god.

>This would be the moment they rose to challenge the Emperor with the very weapons He had kept for Himself.

>This was to be the apotheosis of them all.

>>49981805
>You
>see
Proof is Ferrus's head coming off. Proof is Magnus getting bane'd. What you posted is vague and unspecific. You just argue that for the (you)s I'm sure.

Like I said my explanation doesnt shit on the established fluff allows for a better explanation of the creation of the Primarchs whilst also giving the 4 a reason to be mad.

>>49981831
>What you posted is vague and unspecific.
It's vague for you because you didn't read the novel which is why you are focusing on this thing when the whole novel has a lot of evidences that you apparently know nothing about. She said he stole power and she would know. The rest of the novel collaborates this.

Your explanation is shit.

>Imperiumfags getting butthurt at the Emperor being a hypocritical thief who stole the majority of his power

Kek.

The Emperor has always been a huge douche. This changes nothing, it just makes him a little more compelling as a figure of human endeavor, stealing and harnessing the fire of gods rather than just randomly being born with insanely vast superpowers.

Also who got confirmation that the Emperor is a rapist.

>The last time Alivia had climbed these particular steps, her legs were like rubber and fear sweat coated her back like a layer of frost. She’d helped him come back to the world; her arm around his waist, his across her shoulder. She’d tried to keep his thoughts – normally so impenetrable – from reaching into her, but he was too powerful, too raw and too damaged from what lay beyond the gate to keep everything inside.

>She’d seen things she wished she hadn’t. Futures she’d seen in her nightmares ever since or inked in the pages of a forgotten storybook.

>Abominable things that were now intruding on the waking world, invited in by those who hadn’t the faintest clue of what a terrible mistake they were making.

When Alivia guided him back to reality, the Emperor was drunk on Chaos juice that he mind molested her.

Being drunk is no excuse for rape.

I gotta go for an hour or so. When I am back I will continue showing how the Emperor is a thief.

>>49981859
I have read the novel and that why I mentioned my theory. Its hilarious that you just yell this at the people who dont agree with you though.

>She said he stole power and she would know.
No she said he stole 'power'. Not his power or that they helped create the Emperor as we know him or she knew him.

>Your explanation is shit.
K. At least mine combines old fluff and new.

>They gave Him a measure of their power, and with that power He wrought the science to unlock the mysteries of creation.
I mean how does this same quote no work for my point of view? Why Would Horus relate so strongly to Moleoch if it was just a power up montage for the Emps?

However if this is where the Emps drained the energy out of the warp to create the Primarchs then wouldnt that make sense? It's not like the others felt the same as horus is it?

>>49981873
>This changes nothing
Actually it completely fucks up his relationship with Magnus tbqh.

>>49981920
Not really.

Again, the Emperor was a douche. He thought that HE and he ALONE could handle the Warp and the things in it. He was a hypocrite who chastised others for repeating his actions.

>>49975768
They are murderous invididuals even before training. Think of those really fucked up mass murderers where you think "Wtf, how is that possible?". Those are the recruits.
Then they get training and implants and get pumped full of combat drugs.

Most of them are kept in cold storage all over the Imperium until needed.
Once the Temple gets a job they sneak in the Sleeping tank of the closest Operative and load up briefing data and activation signal.

Once all the walls in the area are decorated with anyone nearby they either shut down or the murder haze fades, never really explained.
Then they get collected again and put to sleep until the next time.

>>49967740
Okay, but-Necrons?

>>49981993
Nah, Horus Heresy novels are just poorly written.

>>49982083
The Emperor was always hubris incarnate.

You're telling me he's somehow perfect or genuinely not flawed?

>>49982176
No, don't try to put words in my mouth you retard and expect to not be called out for it.

Stop that bullshit, it is poor arguing form. The Horus Heresy novels are poorly written is what I said.

>>49982200
I would honestly say this is perfectly in-character for the Emperor based on what was established long before that was ever committed to paper. Which honestly casts a bit of doubt on the claim it's poorly written. It makes sense, considering what he's done and how he's acted.

So, yes. He felt that he and he alone can handle the Warp and the things in it, and was way off-base when he came to that conclusion. Believable, in my opinion. And if it's poorly-written, I can't imagine it would be believable in the least.

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>It's one of the interesting things about Ahriman, in fact it's one of the interesting things about the Thousand Sons; they have mind-blowing levels of hubris, and they all make the same mistakes as their fathers. So Magnus makes the same mistakes as the Emperor, believing that he can encompass all things and solve all the problems. And then, having watched Magnus do that, Ahriman believes he can do the same thing.

I'm not him, so don't worry, you might still have some time before he returns. Just thought this would be relevant, since the topic came up and all.

Also how did this become a Vengeful Spirit thread - oh, right.

>>49980479
>tfw you'll never get to try to cheer up a blank
>tfw you'll never fail at it and it ends in pity sex that makes you bleed from your eyes

why live

>>49982381
>pity sex
>not just showing them basic human decency in spite of what they are
>not slowly seducing them as the build-up to asking them to do something for you
>not getting them to kill a rival or someone you absolutely need out of the way
>not leaving them holding the bag when they do it and get blamed for it, and nobody believes them when they say you made them do it
>not getting their hopes up as you briefly look like you're coming to their defense, only to tell them in excruciating detail how you hope they get the chair, how you never loved them, and how you used them the entire time
>not drinking their tears

>>49982463
That's just mean

>>49982329
>He felt that he and he alone can handle the Warp and the things in it, and was way off-base when he came to that conclusion
To wit, however, as one of the sole living beings who is knowledgeable about Chaos, how is he wrong?
His way of dealing with Chaos was to use it for his own ends, knowing full well it will inevitably try to fuck you over, and that the best way to approach Chaos is to not deal with it in any form or fashion, because it is a route to easy power that he has watched millions get sunk by, to the point where even knowing it exists can be a temptation too strong for many.
He used Chaos as a route to create the primarches who were entirely anti-Chaos weapons.
He knew true sorcery, but only used it when absolutely needed, and apparently, not even when his life was in danger.
He did everything he could to drive the knowledge of Chaos' existence from mankind, putting extermination orders on civilizations that had truck with it.
Exactly what else are you looking for, anon, that isn't couched in your omnipresent knowledge of the setting?

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>>49982499
I know. It's pretty awesome, huh?

Shows THAT soulless piece of shit what for.

>>49982549
I just want a creepy waifu, the sense of my soul wailing for death be damned

>>49982329
It's poorly written because a number of the books were written specifically to absolve the traitor primarches of any of their personal flaws or failings that led to where they ended up, and tried to pin everything wrong with them not on their own choices or mindset, but the Emperor.
Worse is how things the Emperor had little to do with, like Perturabo's fall, are blamed on the Emperor, when actually it was Horus' orders that put him in the position.

>>49982621
It can easily be compared to the 5e SM codex, but without the fact that the original SM codex said the exact same thing, just most players these days know fuckall about what happened before 4e 40k.

>>49981899
And I back.

And you still being an asshole.

>Not his power or that they helped create the Emperor as we know him or she knew him.

The power is defined by the restored memory of the primarchs and what he did with it after he exited the gate.

>K. At least mine combines old fluff and new.


Shit headcanon.

>Why Would Horus relate so strongly to Moleoch if it was just a power up montage for the Emps?

This is further proof that you are lying when you said that you read the book.

Horus feels strongly aboit Molech because it was the means to make him equal to the Emperor. He monologues on how he earned the power through resolve rather than trickery.

He became as powerful as the Emperor and now has the power to create his own primarch and legions.

>However if this is where the Emps drained the energy out of the warp to create the Primarchs then wouldnt that make sense? It's not like the others felt the same as horus is it?

The Gateway leads to the Court of the Chaos Gods and people just don't enter the Warp and drain as they will. The fact that he required a specific portal that leads to a specific means it wasn't about the Warp, it was about meeting the Chaos Gods.

>>49982366
Fuck off and be wrong somewhere. The last thread you tried to tell people that Necrodermis wasn't Living Metal.

>>49982681
>Shit headcanon.
The irony.

>>49982698
No irony here.

I am posting excerpts from the novel, spoonfeeding people who never read the novel.

So lets examine the facts.

-The Emperor and Alivia travel to Molech way before the Great Crusade on a rocket ship
-The Emperor and Alivia unearth the Gateway to the Gods
-The Emperor enters the Gateway to the Gods which leads directly to the Ebon Road and the Court of the Chaos Gods
-The Emperor, according to Alivia, stole the power of the Chaos Gods
-Alivia guides the Emperor out of the Realm of Chaos into reality
-The Emperor rapes Alivia
-The Emperor whose new empowerment renders him vulnerable to Chaos has Alivia guard the Gateway of the Gods
-He teleports back to Terra to begin his work
-He returns to Molech later with 3 legions and with three sons.
>He fortifies the world and the Gateway of the Gods
>Alivia ios relived of her duty and goes off to live a normal human life
>The Emperor brainblocks the memory of Molech and the truth of what really happened there from the minds of three Primarchs that can with him
-This supreme act of sorcery births the Angel of Fire who acts as the guardian of the Gateway to the Gods
-Horus years later finds records of the Emperor visiting Molech but never leaving
-He also finds records of a second visit to the planet but he and his ally Primarchs Fulgrim and Morty have difficulty recalling ever going there and what they did there despite the fact that the Primarchs have memory of every single battle they fought ever
>Horus eventually arrives to Molech and slays the Angel of Fire which breaks the spell. all three Primarchs recall what happened on Molech and why they were mindclocked

And the rest is history read above

>>49982794
Fuck off carnac.

>>49982858
No

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>>49982621
Written with the intent of being 100% objective portrayals, or biased versions of events as viewed through the eyes of the traitors since they're the figures the offending books follow?

>>49982691
But it is made from living metal. ;)

>>49982900
Another name for living metal you mean since Necron bodies are made of it.

Remember the part where Anrakyr loaded his wrist cannon with a piece of his body NECRODERMIS. Or when a Phaerakh's NECRODERMIS became as water only to harden as claws and spikes?

Quit trying to deceive people. Necron fluff is a mess as it is. You are not helping.

>>49982621
Eh, not really.

I don't like the Horus Heresy novels that much, but while the Emperor clearly is a shithead way out of his depth, the Primarchs do their fair share of messing everything up. Yeah, THEY blame daddy for everything, but they are not exactly unbiased sources.