Can we just stop for a minute and appreciate how great of a guy

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he's a tyrant, but no one is perfect

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>>49894949

>tyrant
>mfw reading this and God Emperor of Dune

>>49894918
He had bad parenting skills. Even Guilliman agrees with that.

>>49896175

Even if he'd been a good parent the Heresy probably would've happened one way or another.

At least a third of the Primarchs were way too dysfunctional to every really be trusted with a Legion, and more than that still had some serious issues.

>>49894918
He was the greatest hypocrite of all time and he got what was coming to him.

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>>49894918
>Emps
>Not a shit

>>49896207
His kids were only as dysfunctional as they were due to the disparate cultures they grew up in. If not for chaos lolwarping all them out the window(seriously this is one of the biggest plotholes in the entire fucking lore of the setting and it never gets brought up) then they'd probably have been fine.

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>>49894918
The Emperor was a terrible leader and the state of the galaxy is on his head. Lets explore some of his advice for Horus and then how he actually acted.

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>>49896776
Then heres his dealing with Magnus literally at the same time as he is handing control over to Horus as warmaster.

>>49896175
The Primarchs were all grown-ass men when The Emperor met them. Most of them ruled entire planets.

What is he supposed to do? Take time out of his busy "save existence itself" schedule to play catch with Purturabo?

Horus was the only one he raised in any real sense and Horus was basically the best Primarch until Chaos fucked his brain.

The only mistake the Emperor made was underestimating Chaos. Apart from that he did nothing wrong.

>>49897023
>Apart from that he did nothing wrong.
Hey remember that time Magnus warned him about the entire Horus Heresy he sent his lapdogs to destroy him, his legion and homeworld?

>>49897023
>What is he supposed to do? Take time out of his busy "save existence itself" schedule to play catch with Perturabo?

Pretty much yeah. If he built human and emotional bonds with his sons then a lot of them like Perturabo and Mortarian wouldn't have gone traitor. Also I like the image of Emps playing tabletop war game with Pert and doing similar stuff with his other sons.

>>49897085
Remember that time when the emperor told Horus to order the speed wulfs to arrest Magnuson and bring him to Terra and Horus decided to trick Russ into executing another of his brothers?

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>>49897107
Remember when that never happened?

>>49897099

The Emperor was, for all his wisdom, unbelievably myopic. There are a lot of things he could've done better.

But that only goes so far. Perturabo was a sperg, plain and simple. He had plenty of opportunities to fix his lot in life but he liked playing the victim. Konrad was a fucking maniac and the only mistake Emps made regarding the Night Haunter was putting him in charge of a legion of supermen. Angron was a time bomb.

The Emperor was a leader, not a daddy. Plenty of the Primarchs (i.e, the loyalist ones) were able to resolve their issues with the guy. Horus, the Golden Boy, was the fucking epicenter of all the shit that happened.

>Also I like the image of Emps playing tabletop war game with Pert

Pert would've smashed a tenth of his models if he lost.

>>49897107
>implying Russ didn't have the intention to kill Magnus from the beginning and was just planning on making up an alibi

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>>49894918

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>>49897194
Now THIS is how the Emperor should be portrayed. God damn I hope he is shown like this at the end of the Horus Heresy

>>49900067
Broken and in pain suffering for his mistakes? I agree.

>>49900095
>t. one of the stupider primarchs

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MRW they call the God Emperor of Mankind shit.

>Everything would've been great, if he hadn't been a huge dick towards most primarchs
FTFY

>>49895224
>Dune

MAH NIGGA!

>>49900193
>Loyalist Primarchs are all either dead, dying or craven
>The Chaos Primarchs rule over their demon worlds how ever they please
>Stupider
Yes chaos has Angron but the loyalist have Dorn so it evens out I'd say.

If the Emperor was so damn good, why didn't he just convince humanity and all the planets he conquered about the greater threat and unite everyone the nice peaceful way like Sigmar? Why did he have to go full retard and lie about everything to everyone?

>>49896791
Magnus was a jackass though

>>49900344
He was right however.

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>Hey anon, it's your manager here
>Remember that big safety briefing we had last week? Well it turns out some fucktard either ignored it or didn't attend.
>Either way he caused a huge shit storm in aisle 6 and I need you to take a mop and clean it up

this is what happened with Russ/Horus/Fagnus

Transexual sons think that Russ should have called the CEO of the company to see if mopping the floor of shit was the correct response

>>49900394
No he wasn't

>>49900334
Wait, whut?

What exactly did he lie about? Or are you talking about computers being worshiped like powerful spirits and shit?

You need to remember the Emperor himself was born and raised before technology was discovered by mankind. To the emperor himself the machine spirits are real.

How else do you explain machinery to a glorified caveman? "It's the spirit of trapped lightning living within metal and it's brain is made of special crystals!"

You can try to fancy it up with technical mumbo jumbo like "computer chips" and all that, but to the emperor it will always be trapped lightning.

So once you fully understand the proper context, seeing it from his perspective, you have to admit he's never lied to humanity, nor "allowed" it to regress.

He simply chose to hold on to what he deemed to be the most important aspects of humanity.

And technical mumbo jumbo, fancy shmancy words, aren't important to someone who was born centuries before the first lightbulb existed.

The emperor is basically the personification of an old fuddy duddy, "When I was your age we didn't need chainsaw swords to kill our enemies! You know what we used? Rocks! We went out, dug up a rock, smashed it up until it was nice and sharp, then stuck that rock on the end of a stick. Then he rammed that stick into the guts of our enemies! You kids and your newfangled googaws!"

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>>49900416
Except he was though.

>>49900464
this is hilariously wrong, you're making it sound as if the emperor was asleep from 5000BC to 25K.

He fucking invented the Golden Throne himself.

>>49894918
>destroyed countless races opposing humanity
Emps comes along with an army and says "you will now give us all your shit or we'll fuck you up"
Race A says no way, man. Emps wipes them out.
Race B says oh shit, you just straight up killed those guys I'll give you my stuff. Except some of it us broken and useless.

Emps declares all aliens are untrustworthy bastards and they all need to die, and kills race B and goes on a religious pogrom to murder everyone and take their planets.

If he was born of any other race he'd be easy to see as the asshole he is.

>>49900464
You're retarded

>>49900478
Magnus went full retard anon

>>49900489
Not true. The Emperor found the Golden Throne on Terra

>>49900464
Got no clue where you got that technology tangent from.

My point was that unlike Sigmar from Fantasy who told everyone "guys we gotta get together or else we can't beat all these bad guys ready to pounce on us at any time", Emperor just pulled some bullshit propaganda about muh Great Crusade where we subjugate everyone. Emperor didn't say jack shit about the Chaos enemy.

>>49900558
>Magnus went full retard anon
Do you have any facts to go along with that opinion Anon?

>>49897151

the night lords are the only (traitor) space marines that I can remotely emphasize with in the whole of 40K, they are the most human in a way without being blinded by faith, anger or chaos. I view them the same as the salamanders

>>49902376
>the night lords are the only (traitor) space marines that I can remotely emphasize with
Why? Out of all the edgelord traitor legions they are by far the edgiest. I dont even mean that in the meme 'is slightly dark' way either.

>>49896175
>parenting skills
The emp never considered the primarchs anything more than bio-weapons.

To him they were tools, not people

>>49897085
Hey remember that time when magnus decided not to hop on a ship and warn the emperor in person and instead listened to a demon and used his psychic powers to destroy a barrier raised by his own father and flooded the human webway with demons?

>>49902517
Just ask Mortarion how safe warp travel was at that point in time.

>>49902530
>implying Magnus, the second most powerful psyker in the galaxy, wouldn't be able to literally drag his ship through the warp by force

>>49902549
>Implying the Emperors the greatest psyker in history could have his prescience stopped
Wait...

>>49897151
>But that only goes so far. Perturabo was a sperg, plain and simple. He had plenty of opportunities to fix his lot in life but he liked playing the victim.
Perturabo was basically a mix of Gulliman and Dorn and should have been allowed to be a mix of those two, but because the legions insisted in being lolspecialists, despite being too far away to bother with specialisations properly, he got to be World War 1. Perturabo would have been far happier never leading a legion, dude should have been an architect.

>Konrad was a fucking maniac and the only mistake Emps made regarding the Night Haunter was putting him in charge of a legion of supermen.
Kurze should have been killed straight off, you don't put psycho dickhead batman in charge of an expeditionary fleet.

>Angron was a time bomb.
Angron should have been forcibly fixed and the Emperor should have helped him fight for freedom, that's probably all it would have taken, either that or rescued all the slaves too.

>>49902571
The emperor already tried to fix angron but his butcher's nails would've killed him if removed.
Empror should've just let him die with his bffs

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>>49897194
Empy is based when well written.
The HH serie turned a tragic, beautfiul figure that wasawre of his mistake and 10k years later still mourned about it into a complete autist fedora because some asshat couldn't keep his personnal beliefs from interfering with his writing.

>>49900403
>ceo hires magnus as general manager because he is a good driver then tells him to never drive the company car because reasons
>magnus finds out that horus is embezzling and takes the company car to warn the ceo
>blows up the main office because the company car has no brakes and the ceo never took 5 minutes to tell him about it.
>runs off without telling the boss man because he's an idiot
>ceo tells rusemaster to bring him in for questioning
>horus tells him the ceo actually wants him to burn down his store instead and russ follows along because he doesn't like that magnus hired mexicans (even though russ has his own mexicans that he calls latinos and thus are totally different)

>>49900394
It doesn't signify. The Emperor demanded obedience and his job was to listen and do what he's told.

>>49905127
Okay, if the Imperium was a corporation, who'd be in charge of bookkeeping? Lorgar? Dorn would be head of security, Gilliman mid level manager nobody likes, Horus Vice President

>>49905232
>Whistle blowers should be killed
Are you American?

>>49905257
Sangy would be the spokesperson, he'd probably make appearances in commercials as well. Pert would be head of R&D

>>49900624
>made deals with Tzeentch
>disobeyed the Emperor's ruling, ruining everything forever
>resigned himself to death, then said fuck it and became Tzeentch's slave to save his sorry ass

>>49902530
You mean the same Mortarion who killed all his navigators mid warp?

>>49905127
this made 0 sense

>>49905257
>>49905293
Ferrus would be the head of the IT, Jagathai the delivery manager, Alpharius would be the one spying of other industries, Fulgrim the designer for the corporation's Image, Mortarion would be the janitors coordinator, Russ and Lion would be aggressive sales managers trying to constantly outdo eachother

>>49896791
I don't know how Emps could've been more clear.
Not Emp's fault Magnus literally could not stop himself from eating the apple.

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>>49905906
>Mortarion would be the janitors coordinator
Kek

>>49895224
That's what they based it off
Look at how many thoughts for the day were nicked from dune
I most not fear for fear is the mindkiller

>>49897147
why didn't Magnus just go tell the Emperor in person?
>Hurr gotta use my super psychic paowerz that the Emperor specifically told me not to use and threatened to destroy my entire legion over.

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>>49899073
Has any man sacrificed more to save us?
Truly I would follow him into the Eye of Terror.

>>49897147
Retconned
Adb short story howl of the hearthworld

>>49899073
Trumpbot can't even spell

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>>49906043
I don't see anything misspelled.
I do see a missing comma.
What are you referring to?

>>49895224
I always wanted to see how the Golden Path fit into 40k

>>49906000
Uber-Psyker or not, it takes weeks/months to travel even via warp.
>Prospero to Terra in Minutes
Albeit a few serfs died as fuel but that sounds like an average warp jump anyway.

>>49906350
>time
Magnus had plenty of time to reach the Emperor conventionally.
Nothing was gonna happen at that exact moment that would've been lost if Magnus had just not so completely, directly, and blatantly disobeyed the Emperor's explicit command.
Magnus was a proud cunt who thought he knew better than his clearly superior creator. He brought everything on himself, and got his whole legion cursed by the Ruinous Powers he was treating with as a result.

>>49902460
exactly, you are a fucking shite parent if you treat your kids like weapons

>>49906556
but he isnt even their father, just their creator

>>49906350
Leman had literally the time to Travel from Terra to Prospero and stop midflight to talk to Horus.

Magnus had all the time in the galaxy to do that journey, he just didn't want to because he was stupd enough to lsiten to a demon, believing himself smarter than he really was

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>>49906719
Every father is the creator of their children

>>49907237
yeah,but not everything you created is your child and not every creator is a father

>>49902517
>Have to warn someone quick, since time of the essence.
>Is quite far away
>Should I call them by phone or drive for hours,if not days?

We get it anon, you are a furry apologist.

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>>49909353
>the eldest human, who has unlimited psychic power, lived since 2000 B.C., guided humanity throughout it's history, saved it from the brink of extinction and made the most powerful empire in the galaxy and who is also your father and creator.
>he tells you no to use psychic powers at any cost
>you use it anyway, because YOU know better for sure

Magnus did everything wrong, because he was a fucking manchild who thought he knew better than the others. Lorgar got corrupted by Erebus and Kor, Konrad went insane because of the visions, Horus was mindraped by Chaos Gods etc. But Magnus? No, he wasn't a victim of outside forces, it was entirely his fuckup and fault, he is completely and utterly responsible for everything bad that has happened to him after that.

It would've been better if Magnus just hadn't tried to warn the Emperor. He knew that he wasn't supposed to use his powers, but he did it anyway.

>>49907020
>>49906465
And you don't think the chaos gods would have had something to say about him warning the Emperor, both the only beings in the universe who both Magnus and The Emperor understood so well who's bond was stronger than the physicalities of the material universe, and revealing the true nature of the gods schemes? And that they would stop at nothing to have an entire chapter of psychicaly active marines wiped from existence?

>>49909967
Magnus would've just forced his way through the warp, he was strong enough. And Magnus didn't know about "chaos gods" and their schemes back then, so he had to know that it was a clear and straight path to Terra. And even if he had failed, it would've been a better outcome.

People forget, that lore characters don't have meta knowledge about everything, unlike players.

>>49910272
I never said he knew. I'm saying the chaos gods wouldn't let such a morsal escape alive. Magnus was dedicated to legion, if he left, chaos would fuck up his planet like Caliban untill he turned trator, or his entire fleet, and only he alone and possibly his ship would emerge from the warp. He wouldn't let his legion die.

The argument "lol he should have said it in person" completely falls apart when you examine how the universe works and applying liberal amounts of knowledge and common fucking sense.

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>>49910608
>chaos would fuck up his planet like Caliban
Literally nothing of value, compared to the info of Horus' betrayal
>only he alone and possibly his ship would emerge from the warp
So it's a success
>He wouldn't let his legion die.
And look what happened. Magnus knew that his Legion was fucked either way, that's why he made a pact with a demon (later revealed as big T) in the first place. Also Calliban was a fucking demonworld with a ton of unloyal Dark Angels on it, not the same thing as Prospero. And chaos gods can't just pop out of nowhere and warprape a planet into a demon world, it requiers a ton of rituals and shit to do. And I'm pretty sure he would've been able to guide even more than just his ship through the warp (why would he need it is another fucking question, he could've done it by himself).

>"lol he should have said it in person"
Yes, actually, that's my point
>completely falls apart when you examine how the universe works and applying liberal amounts of knowledge and common fucking sense.
it really doesn't, the only thing that was keeping Magnus from doing the only logical solution to this problem was him being an autistic manchild.

>>49894918
Literally everything in 40k is his fault

>Never gave a second thought to anyone else's ideas but his own
>Kept everyone ignorant of Chaos so that none of his (PSYCHICALLY ACTIVE, HELLO?) sons could defend themselves against its influence'
>Lied to everyone who could've prevented shitsack that is 40k's nightmarish setting about everything, thus preventing them from doing so
>Left no plans in place for how to maintain stability without him, just propped up a government that relied on heroic figureheads who all went crazy and called it a day.
>Is literally responsible for everything the Primarchs did wrong for not only making them, but just assuming that they'd do no wrong

Jesus Christ, the only things the Emperor did right were kill xenos and get killed himself.

>>49910806
>requires rituals
Not on a planet full of psychers. Plenty of people fall to temptation, even more so do when faced with ultimate powers, and the ability to weird a even a fraction of it. In a matter o days it would have been a shit storm comparable to a warp storm.

Dude, if your version of autistic is pulling the quickest possible route out of a million unknowns while time is of the essence, then that's real fucking stupid.

>>49910985
>pulling the quickest possible route out of a million unknowns while time is of the essence

consider this>>49909642

>Not on a planet full of psychers
When was it ever a problem, and how would Magnus know of that thing happening? He had no idea, that chaos gods could corrupt anyone, so he wouldn't consider the fact that some "gods" would just come and tell his loyal sons to turn the planet into a demonworld (literally such thing never occurred during Great Crusade). Once again, you assume that Magnus has Meta knowledge of the events that happened AFTER the Horus Heresy.

>>49909642
>you use it anyway, because YOU know better for sure
Magnus obviously wanted to prove the Emperor wrong about banning psykers within the legions (you know except for the Space Wolves because they use the power of Fenris lol).

Perhaps it wouldn't have happened if the Emperor hadn't sacrificed Magnus's main strength to placate Mortation and Russ and the other bigots.

Also he was right and delivered information that could of saved billions of lives if Big E had listened.

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>>49911238
>Magnus obviously wanted
Nobody gives a shit. When your superior tells you to get back in line- you go back in line, no "if's, especially when your superior is a motherfucing Emperor.
>if the Emperor hadn't sacrificed Magnus's main strength
It was made to give Emps more time to finish the webway gate on Terra.
>that could of saved billions of lives if Big E had listened.
>you are working on the way to free humanity from need to use warp travel
>you've worked on it for decades
>suddenly Magnus' giant head pops into existence in the control room, kills all the scientists and staff, opens a giant portal in the warp for demons to invade Terra and you have to sit on the throne 24/7 to keep it sealed.
>oh, and he also talks about Horus, your favorite son, whom you raised personally, betraying you
>he can't even keep the connection stable for long to at least explain it further and just vanishes

I would've been fucking pissed. And even then, big E sends Leman to bring Magnus ALIVE to Terra, not kill him.

>>49911485
And you send the one legion that was hinted at and possibly carried out the exicution of another legion primarch to bring back another one of his brothers alive? Not to even mention the fact that there's bad blood between them both, antone else would have been a better choice. Literally anyone else.

>>49911109
No I'm not assuming that he had meta knowledge, I'm simply countering you point with my knowledge. Also the dude saw everything laid out before him besides his own fate. He was "gifted" everything we know about the lives of the Primarchs, down to how this shit started.

>>49911485
>One night whilst your out using cocaine behind the shed because you Dad doesn't like your drug problem
>Hear your eldest brother talking about killing your Father and taking over everything his built
>Rush to you Father to warn him
>He doesn't listen because your high
>Instead he sends your other brother over to kill you for embarrassing the family name
Huh.

>It was made to give Emps more time to finish the webway gate on Terra.
Then maybe he should have taken Magnus to Terra with him or at least filled him in about the situation.
>Sorry Son all your brothers hate you so just sit this one out for a bit k
>After I've sorted some stuff out I'll come teach you a few tricks
The Sons literally withdraw from the crusade after NIkaea so its not like they were doing anything.

>And even then, big E sends Leman to bring Magnus ALIVE to Terra, not kill him.
This meme needs to die. It has never been represented in the fluff that way even all the way back to 2nd edition. Heres the SW index astartes entry >>49897147

>>49911663
He had no idea if the info was true, it was all visions.
>>49911626
>And you send the one legion
With the order to bring Magnus home alive, and it would've been fine if not for Horus.

>>49911698
>that entire first greentext
He was told to bring him alive, and living in a crime syndicate has its downsides.

>Then maybe he should have taken Magnus to Terra with him or at least filled him in about the situation.
Literally why bother? He did withdraw him and his legion from the crusade, so all they had to do was sith on their asses and not use space magic. And they failed.
>This meme needs to die.
>>49906026

>>49910608
>The argument "lol he should have said it in person" completely falls apart when you examine how the universe works and applying liberal amounts of knowledge and common fucking sense.
Even if he would've failed Magnus still should've tried that instead of betraying the Emperor's trust. Even not trying to send a message at all would've been better than doing it via warp.

>>49912004
>He was told to bring him alive
>howl of the hearthworld
Dont just link a random text show us the source.

>and living in a crime syndicate has its downsides
>implying Magnus wasn't loyal right up until Russ forced his hand
Seriously?

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>>49912128
>implying Magnus wasn't loyal right up until Russ forced his hand
>told not to use space magic
>uses space magic
He was loyal, but he sure as hell was retarded and arrogant, which lead to him doing everything wrong.

>>49911485
>It was made to give Emps more time to finish the webway gate on Terra.
The funniest thing about that is that no-one ever talks about how terrible an idea that actually is. Seriously the Eldar have been fighting in the webway for millions of years and the Emperor can't even properly seal of a gateway. The home ground advantage would be so large that theirs really no point trying. Not even mentioning the other nasties hidden in their or the Necrons.

Besides being in the webway doesn't stop the Chaos Gods being able to invade though psykers minds, thus the whole no psykers in Commorragh thing, so what happened with Magnus would have happened eventually anyway.

>>49912239
>uses space magic
LaughingRunePriests.webm

>>49912239
just like his papa

>Emps
>better then Pep Pep Nurgle