MTG EDH/COMMANDER GENERAL

>>49880619
>What single card would you buy for $7.50?
Liliana, Heretical Healer

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First for best demon.

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What is the name of this Stand?

I'm glad Geist Sea Monsters have reached bona fide /edhg/ meme status

>>49880664
「F R E D B E A R」

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>$500 worth of cards for $32 thanks to based Chinaman
Fuck the secondary market

>>49880664
ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ


THIS MUST BE THE WORK OF AN ENEMY 「STAND」


ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ

>>49880767
Honestly thinking of doing this to get me a mishra's workshop.

>>49880820
I would love to own the genuine article. But fuck that average price.

Tabernacle, too.

>>49880767
Where did you order from? Are there any that ship to Canada? This addiction is getting too expensive

>>49880767
So how exactly does that work? Do you order specific single cards or do you get a bundle of random expensive stuff?

>>49880879
>>49880964
Every now and then there is an eBay listing for a "top loader" and they "throw in a proxy for free!"

But I've been looking for a place I can just do a custom order.

>just got a chainer's edict and grave pact
Mazirek, here we come! What are some golgari things that can fish enchantments?

>>49880879
>Where did you order from?
Aliexpress
>Are there any that ship to Canada?
I think my guy does

>>49881058
>Do you order specific single cards
Yeah, you pick a quantity on the store page and put a note on the order with what cards you want. Search the archive, there's a link

>>49881236
Not many, but it doesnt matter because you can just run black tutors. Also, run dictate of erebos for redundancy

>>49881236
Demonic Tutor

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So I was playing a game when the angry omnath player had 6 or 7 elementals, omnath, goblin bombardment, and furnace of rath.

Needless to say, it felt like walking through a minefield. I can't believe they're also 5/5 tokens.


Now I dub omnath decks :
"Omnath: Vietnam Incarnate"

What nicknames have you given decks?

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>>49880646
Still not the best demon

>>49881320
>>49881322
I already have demonic and diabolic tutor, increasing ambition, undead sidisi and beseech the queen, so I'm glad to know I can use my existing tech. I just didn't know if there was a cheap green tutor I was missing out on.

Also, I'm running Butcher of Malkair because I can't get my hands on a dictate of erebos/am running decent reanimator, and puppeteer clique because I can't find a woodfall primus.

Any spicy easily acquired suggestions? My flgs is small and I don't have a credit card.

How do I into Yisan? I don't have any green and I like cheating things into play. I don't really want to go super turbo Spike with him though.

>>49881467
play goodstuff not cards that perfectly curve into each other to win you the game then.

>>49881467
Yisan is the wrong commander for you. Put him in the 99 of a simic deck for extra spice. Yissan has a linear tutored list that is pretty multipurpose, but deviating from it dramatically reduces how good he is. Just run elvish Piper, quicksilver amulet or rock Mayel. Maelstrom is also super easy to build and pretty strong on a budget.

>>49880767
Starting to want to do this. I'm so sick of going through the same fucking process of finding a cheap commander, planning a deck out and getting hype then finding out that one of the more unique cards only had one print run ten years ago and costs >$100 despite not being a staple in any format. Fucking Jews.

>tfw drawing into your ramp too late to stop the Azusa menace

>>49881562
>tfw playing jin-gitaxias colorless eldrazi
>tfw semblance anvil
>I cast sol ring, mana vault, than dynamo, and basalt monolith for 2 mana

>>49880619
Jace, Vryn's Prodigy

>>49881601
***3 mana, my bad

>>49881435
Ashnods altar + animation module is an infinite combo with Maz

>>49881537
name five cards that fit this criteria

all I've got is Nether Void

>>49881717
funny, i was thinking this same thing and that was the only example i could think of

>>49881717
Chains of Mephistopheles.

>>49881717
Gauntlet of Might

>>49881717
Gauntlet of Might, maybe?

>>49881717
The abyss

>>49881791
>>49881783
>>49881778
>>49881771
>>49881748
>>49881717
An argument could be made for cards that are staples in exactly one deck, like Bazaar and Library and Tabernacle and Moat.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MDc4v7sDaQY

Does /edhg/ agree on this for 2 color EDH?

>>49880619
Thanks for including MTG in the subject field. Have a good thread

>>49881806
Moat's price, at least most recently, is a direct result of that retarded buyout clusterfuck over the summer

>>49881836
I mean, it wasn't exactly cheap before that.

>>49881840
I know. But it also sparked off a whole bunch of other buyouts because people got scurred

>>49881821
Why do you disagree? Keep in mind he said this is a reference, and not a rule, for every deck

>>49881821
lolno

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>>49881821
>Darksteel Relic

>>49881878
>Why do you disagree

Vivids are playable in slower meta alongside the gain life lands and 7 fucking fetchlands. If you need to run that many fetchlands your shuffling either sucks or your deck is landfall

>>49881821
>open video
>ten minutes long

fuck that. Once you hit 10-20 dual lands + rocks of the variety of your choice it's practically impossible to miss your mana requirements in 2C unless you're just loaded out the ass with triple or quadruple color requirements.

also
>35-47 lands
>running 47 fucking lands in anything other than Azusa or Borborygmos
>running keyrunes
>Darksteel RELIC
>Gilded Lotus
What kind of drugs are those guys on that they would consider GLotus a requirement in every 2C deck. I would also cut almost all the rocks for ramp if I was in green or white.

>>49881974
I agree with you on everything except that last part. Gilded Lotus is just an amazing card all around.

>>49881957
I run every fetch I can in 3 color decks because why not

I only do it in 2 color decks if I can benefit from the shuffle/landfall/sacrifice

Also, the point of shuffling is not to evenly distribute your lands, so "your shuffling sucks" has nothing to do with it

>>49881821
I don't like 3 mana rocks and would rather run 2 mana ones. Fellwar Stone, Thought Vessel, Mind Stone. Yeah, some aren't technically color fixing, but they're ramping.

>>49881821
He's a Hilary supporter who does not play in a meta with no MLD. Don't take his word on everything MTG related when it comes to deck building.

Command zone guys are much better even tough they play in a cut throat meta.

His three color list was a set up to get blown out by running ruination.

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>>49881601
>Semblance Anvil with Burnished Hart or Sad Robot imprinted
I fucking love that card.

>>49882023
>Also, the point of shuffling is not to evenly distribute your lands

In that case, run more draw

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Welp, someone made a Leovold deck in my store.

>>49882100
Time to run Abundance or Tomorrow

>>49882100
Beat him up with a tire iron when he leaves at night

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>>49882111
>UGx has the best defenses against Leovold

Should've been RWU

>>49882093
Shuffling is great for Sylvan library/ top. It also stops combos like tunnel vision. There is graveyard interaction with fetches too.

Also there is deck thinning, which is not completely irrelevant, especially in decks with land based ramp.

>>49882100
It's actually not as bad as I thought. I mean he even had T2 anvil out at our lgs and he still lost.

It is absolutely game warping though and if you have competent players in your group he will probably lose every game because he is the archenemy, horseshit abilities or no.

>>49882177
It's basically irrelevant. You do have longer games in Commander than in other formats, but you also have 40 more cards in the deck, which means it's probably WORSE thinning than it is in other Constructed formats, where the thinning is irrelevant.

>>49880664
「BARE NECCESITIES」

>>49882222
>he even had T2 anvil out at our lgs and he still lost
wut

He's clearly fucking awful if he couldn't shut down the game off a T2 Anvil.

>>49882177
But shuffling is purely random, you could have obtained the one card you needed had you not shuffled. This isn't a 60 card game when you can run sets of any particular card and be fine after a shuffle. Any deck with that ridiculous of a landbase that is not landfall is particularly stupid.

>>49882023

>I run every fetch because why not

How about because half of them are like $50 ??

>>49882308
I mean, I already own them all. Most of them in Expedition form.

>>49882320
kys desu

>>49882274
You missed his point.

You can use shuffling alongside Sylvan Library/Top to put away cards you don't want. It also fights Tunnel Vision, all on demand.

>>49882320

Okay but you bought them to put in your deck so the reasoning still applies to you just in the past

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>>49882330
So you are telling me the reason to shuffle is not for card advantage or thinning but just to stop a combo from going off that is only in maybe a few select metas?

>>49882353
...no? I traded for them, first of all. Second, I use them in every deck -because I already fucking own them-. I got them to make sure I had at least 1 copy of every shock, fetch, and dual for Commander. Why would I say "Well, I -own- a Polluted Delta, but I guess I should kill myself for considering putting it in my Gitrog deck."

>>49882370
No, I'm telling you that the best part of being able to shuffle on demand is card SELECTION, for stuff like Brainstorm, Sylvan Library, and SDT. You draw 3, put back 2 chaff cards, shuffle them away and next turn dig 3 deep again. That's one of the reasons fetches are so heavily played in Legacy (to the point that they outnumber actual duals in some decks)

>>49882379

Trading and buying are the same, you traded stuff worth money I assume?

Anyway I'm not the person who told you to kys, you just said "why not run every fetch" and I'm telling you, there's a great reason not to trade away valuable cards or valuable cash to run them

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Time for the Bonus Round. This Time 2 colored.

Guess the Commander.

>>49882390
Because that is for 60 card you dumbfuck. Running excessive fetchlands in EDH can hurt you more often than not, if you want to run multiple fetches that is your decision but running every single one for the purpose of SDT, Library, or to stop Tunnel Vision is dumb.

>>49882434
fuck you.

>>49882439
Nobody's running it specifically to stop Tunnel Vision, you fucking mongoloid. I mean, it's great if you get to just go "lol fuck you" to that combo, but that's tertiary at best.

The PRIMARY reason to run fetches is for color fixing (since they can find 2 kinds of lands, and even the off-color ones can find your shocks and duals). The secondary reason to run them is for landfall, things-dying triggers, and to abuse the ability to shuffle on demand.

I'm not saying every deck needs to have every single fetch, I'm just saying if you already own the fetches, there's very little reason not to put them in.

>>49882434
Nin pain artist

>>49882475
>Primary reason
If you can't fix your mana without fetches you just suck, there is an advantage to them I give you that.

>Landfall
The obvious choice since it easily nets 2 lands in a turn
>things dying triggers
Morbid doesn't trigger for lands unless they become creatures

>>49882434
Jhoira?

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Hey /edhg/ I'm currently working on this land shennanigans deck at the moment but I'm having a bit of trouble with the balance between the components (land destruction, finishers, quirky effects and removal).

I know the cmc avg is comletely fucked and I'm trying to tune it down a bit so I don't get fucked by heavy control.

>>49882557
fuck I forgot the link
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mina-and-denn-reclaim-the-lands/

>>49882535
Are you honestly fucking bashing someone for using fetches to help fix their mana?

Holy shit.

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>>49882535
Gee, it's almost like he said "things dying", not "Creatures dying".

If only there were cards that cared about anything hitting the bin.

>>49882434
What wizards wont print

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>>49882571
I sure am, what you going to do about it?

>>49882576
No shit I know mazirek exists, maybe if that was the implied commander I wouldn't have gone off the deep end. But its his fault that he didn't address it earlier, fucking moron.

most fun simic commander?

>>49882615
Vorel

>>49882610
>what are you going to do about it?
Mostly shake my head at how willfully stupid a person can be

>>49882615
kraj

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>people still don't pay the 1 for Rhystic Study

>>49882643
>I'm stupid because I know how to fix my mana correctly without relying on fetches

>>49882610
>it's his fault I don't have a proper appreciation of game mechanics
0/10

>>49882670
>Utilizing fetches to maximize my manafixing means I'm "relying" on them, and am bad

Pray tell, you double-moron, what lands am I -allowed- to use that aren't considered a crutch for my inferior mana-building skills?

>>49882661
Rhystic Study is basically a tax effect in my meta because everyone will pay the tax, no matter what. I dunno if that's good or not.

>>49882629
>>49882653
thats actually a pretty tough choice between the two, i guess they could just go in each others decks

>>49882730
>I don't know if making every spell my opponents cast cost 1 more for 2U is good

>>49882696
I can't tell if you are genuinely not seeing or merely pretending to be stupid. Using fetches is not bad but relying on them to fix your mana is dumb, you should be able to fix your mana appropriately without fetches.

>>49882670
Wait what, are you just mad that other people can afford fetches? What is your actual argument against them? They give a lot to many decks with no downside (unless you are claiming one life is a downside compared to other duals).

Also you completely avoid how good they are with graveyard stuff. I am actually having a hard time thinking of any deck that can't benefit from them.

Please, tell me how they are bad.

>>49882748
Word of warning from someone who played it then switched to newzuri. Vorel is cute, but stupid slow unless your deck is extremely tuned. If mass removal is common in your meta or decks are fast, vorel can really be boring.

>>49882749
"Good" is probably not the right word. "Worth it" is more like. I don't generally taxing unless I'm going all in.

>>49882748
Kraj would generally lean more towards utility, while Vorel goes counter-crazy. I would think Vorel probably leads towards more interesting situations than Kraj's copy ability.

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What is the most fun Jund general?

Are they all one note?

Prossh - tokens/sac
Shattergang Brothers - sac
Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund - dragons (and fucking expensive)
Sek'Kuar - sac
Kresh the Bloodbraided - +1/+1 counters/sac

Do you have some unexpected brew with these guys. Bug bitch is boring.

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Was at Tuesday casual night with sultai midrange leovold. Everyone was groaning and I said it's just midrange and they were like alright. I do run some wheel effects though. We played and everyone is all "my hand fuckin sucks" so I windfall without Leovold on board and everyone is like wow thanks but the tryhard meren player is talking shit like "that's not how you play that deck" there was also a new kid playing Mina and denn I think is what they're called the gruul extra lands commander but it wasn't quite up to snuff didn't really seem to have a game plan and had low impact cards. I'm playing my creatures like sylvan Caryatid and villainous wealth for the value. But the meren player kept targeting the new kid cause I guess he was an easy target and calling him bad at magic and telling everyone I don't know how to build a leovold deck and kinda being rude

I don't like when other people call others bad at magic especially in commander when you just try to do you and it could make people not want to come back and play. And by the grace of Leopold himself I top deck demonic tutor search up tooth and nail entwine it with 1 mana to spare fetching palinchron and rune scar demon using the demon to fetch dead eye played dead eye soul bond to palinchron. Everyone is about to scoop and I say hold on. Make infinite mana then soulbond demon to fetch venser and ugin. Play venser and soul bond him bounce every single permanent that guy had and played ugin bounced ugin with venser and ghostfired him out the game then bounced ugin and minuses 7 to exile all my combo pieces and reset the board. Bitch. YOU'RE the one we don't want to play with.

How I usually play the Leovold deck is just get ramp up to some solid dudes or get villainous wealth or fascination and see where it goes from there. But never lock people out the game unless it specifically calls for it. The fact that people have ridiculous commander decks but don't play it out as such always makes me happy wit new player

>>49882758
Anon you can run a 99 land deck and have no fixing problems without fetches. It doesnt mean that your deck isn't suffering from it.

Go ahead and show us a deck list, hell make it mono-colored if you want. I bet it will be better with a few fetches.

>>49882801
They suffer from the Dimir problem in that their abilites are all so similar that there is only really one way to build them well

>>49882806

If you weren't a pussy, you'd say something to the guy.

>How about you play and stop insulting others

If he would do it again, call him out and say

>If you are going to insult the table, we will ask you to leave

Then, if he says anything, stand up and ask to go outside. He will pussy out and shut him mouth.

>>49881821
It's an ok template but it's generally better to refine your manabase over time to be more catered to your deck

Is there some unknown taboo about thraximundar I don't know. It's my slightly more casual but still decent zombie tribal commander. And every time some is like what chu playin. I'm like thraximundar and they are always like "oh... thraximundar, well that's...interesting" or something like that everytime. Wat.

>>49882730
Weird, everyone in my meta usually doesn't pay the thithe and I get to draw like a madman.

Then again, I don't win very often, so....

If nobody lets you draw off Rhystic study then you're getting the very best tax effect that exists because it's asymmetrical and effects every spell instead of just certain kinds

Rhystic study is always amazing, and there are a lot of cases where it's in somebody's interest to let you draw a card, some spells just can't wait until next turn

>>49882970

I'm not sure what you're saying

Are they scared of thraximundar? Or are they scoffing at him?

>>49883077
I think bewildered is the best word to describe

>>49882758
WHO

THE FUCK

IS SAYING

TO RELY

ON THEM

How does one even generate enough mana to get a high Storm count with this?

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>>49883159
hurr durr forgot image

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>>49883077
>thraximundar

Ugly picture. Probably because he costs 7 in colors with little to no ramp. He isn't one of the top tier commanders and is rarely seen. However, I am pretty interested; do you have a list on Tappedout or wherever?

Pic related
>It's so dense, every single pixel has so much going on.

>>49883159
Rituals, flashback rituals. You don't really need a super high storm count to get good value off dragonstorm.

>>49883159

Honestly not that hard since part of going off in a storm deck is rituals which net storm and mana

Like in a red black storm deck you could go dark ritual, cabal ritual, seething song, past in flames dark ritual, cabal ritual, seething song, demonic tutor, dragonstorm and put 9 dragons into play

Dragonstorm is better in 20 life 60 card formats though where just a few dragons wins the game instantly

>>49883159
>>49883167
Yawgmoths will, mana rocks, the colors green, black, and red. Manageyser + reiterate

>>49883159
Mana Doublers really get you going. Might be funny in a Wort list even, though that seems a bit suspect.

>>49882567
Run kudzu and Mwonvuli Acid-Moss

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>>49882610

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>>49883229

Why cast dragons when you can just fill a plane with snakes.

Wort has the means to copy this a billion times, you might as well.

>>49882801
>most fun
Shattergang because toolbox. But you can create fun Jund decks regardless of the commander.

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Does anyone actually use this combo? It seems too hilarious not to.

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>>49883308
Nah, Id rather just kill everyone, including myself.

>>49883308
If youre doing an urborg combo, something more like khormus bell and make obsolete (or similair effect) is more potent, albeit 3 cards.

>>49883274
Conspire does not interact with Epic the way you think it does.

>>49881358
That doesn't sound like a minefield senpai.

>>49883361
You take one wrong step, and get BTFO

what's unlike a minefield?

>>49883344

So if i conspire the original spell a bunch of times, none of the copies will have epic? i know that copying the copies made by the epic effect doesnt add more to each turn, but i thought that copying the original keeps the epic on each copy made from it.

>>49883382
>A bunch of times
You can't conspire it more than once unless you have a bunch of Worts. You can't tap 10 Goblins to Conspire it 5 times. It's a one-or-none thing, per instance of Conspire.

If you Conspire it, the copies also have Epic, yes. But mostly that you can't mass-conspire it.

>>49883382
Epic states you may not cast spells

>>49883395
The copies made by Conspire aren't cast.

>>49883391

Ah, just looked into conspire and how it works. Go figure they errata'd the effect to "Cast" instead of play. Reads as "play" on wort so yeah, got to thinking up shenanigans.

Oh well, things can still be made silly with her.

>>49883159
mana doublers, artifacts, urza's block "free spells" can get you an insane storm count

>>49883447
...that's not functional errata. It NEVER worked like that. Pre M10, you could Play a land, Play a spell, or Play an activated ability. Once they changed it to "play land, cast spell, activate ability", MOST things that said Play were errata'd to "cast", but that wasn't a functional change, just a verbiage one; like changing "comes into play" to "Enters the battlefield". Still works exactly the same, just with the new wording.

A very small portion of things kept the 'play' wording, because they could play a land OR cast a spell, so that wording remained in Oracle text to mean 'play if land, cast if spell'. But even when Wort's Oracle text matched her printed text, this trick didn't work.

>>49883447
"Play" and "Cast" were always synonymous though. That's why things like storm didn't just keep storming.

>>49883484

So i'm just a dumbass. Gotcha.

Teaches me to read cards more closely then.

>>49883485
Not to mention it isn't the play/cast thing that stops it from working the way he thought, it's the fact that you can either tap 2 things to Conspire, or you don't.

>>49883485
>>49883484
>>49883505


Well with that all in mind, my wort idea doesn't work the way I thought. Maybe I go back to the drawing board and think up shenanigans for Riku if I want to copy stuff multiple times, given the colors involved.

>>49883557
Riku can't copy things multiple times either.

>>49883570
Im aware, but there are cards within his colors that can create copies as well. The added blue gives me access to some stuff, better than what wort could give me.

>>49883557
youre kidding right?

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>>49883557
You're probably looking for something like this, but you're not going to be able to cheat the copies as easily as conspire.

>>49883608

Well, probably not. Though Mizzix of the Izmagus might be a good contender for making that a LOT easier to use.

>>49883628
Mizzix does not reduce the Replicate cost.

SLOBAD EMERGES TRIUMPHANT

>playing at a table with Memnarch, Rafiq and zombie Sidisi
>Memnarch player stealing everyone's shit like the thieving menace he is
>Rafiq is balls-deep in the Voltron theme so he's of no help
>Sidisi got supremely fucked up early on and is somehow in topdeck mode
>Memnarch is tapped out on my turn, his turn is after mine
>drop Lattice, Memnarch player grins thinking all my shit is his on his turn
>the table forgot about the Sneak Attack I dropped turn 3
>HELLKITE TYRANT, NIGGA
>no flying defense
>steal all his shit, including the only Homeward Path on the board
>scowls at me as I proceed to beat the shit out of the table

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Post cards that should be banned

this and Sol Ring desu

>>49883646
Yes it does. Replicate is an additional cost, which Mizzix can reduce.

>>49883646

Really? Thats really odd considering how his effect works. Though i suppose it makes some sort of weird sense, since it most likely keeps the printed mana cost.

This has been an interesting look into how rules interact with each other and how I just need to read these things closely.

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>>49883681

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>>49883681
>an 8 mana combat damage win condition

>>49883693
Not him; it can reduce the total cost, but not the replicate cost, which is what I believe the other guy is going for.

If you reduce spells by 2, but replicate a 2U spell, it's going to be U to cast the spell, but still 2U to replicate.

I'm building Kazuul

WORLD WAR

KAZUUL

Post your spicy

MELEE COMBAT monored / colorless cards that force EVERYONE into the fucking fray.

>>49883693
>>49883696
Shit, my bad. I was remembering Replicate as a trigger of "You may pay [COST] any number of times", rather than an additional cost.

Still, it's only a one-time reduction. If you've got 3 experience counters for a 3U spell, it's not gonna make the Replicate cost be U, it'll just knock 3 off of whatever the final sum is.

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>>49883681

>>49883728

Well thats still not bad at all really. Worth looking into for my Mizzix deck.

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>>49883717
not force attack related but this little gem can help Kazuul and his ogre squad get around those pesky fliers

>>49883716
And then Mizzix reduces that Replicate cost. An example:

>Spell costs 3UR
>Illuminatus and Mizzix are out
>you have 9 counters
>choose to Replicate 3 times
>spell + Replicate would cost total of 9UUURRR
>Mizzix's ability applies
>now pay UUURRR in total
We should probably ask gA to be sure but I think that's how it works, since Replicate would be part of the spell's total cost

>>49883717
I used to have a shitty Kazuul deck. It rarely won, but it made games fun. It paints a somewhat large target on your face, and Red isn't super well-equipped to deal with hate, but since you seem to be totally insane, you can probably cope.

I ran with Avatar of Slaughter, Curse of the Nightly Hunt, Fumiko the Lowblood, Goblin Diplomats, Heckling Fiends, Rage Nimbus, and War's Toll as combat-forcers.

>>49883766
Yeah. You say "I'm gonna Replicate this N times" as part of casting it, and tack that cost onto the spell as... well, an additional cost. Then you apply Mizzix's discount. So you'll end up making it 9 mana cheaper, but that's off of the FINAL cost of the spell- not off of each 'iteration' of the Replicate cost.

>>49883781
Ah, I also forgot Warmonger Hellkite.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/11-09-16-wildborn/

Any recommendations? I've only played this 4 (5 if you count the time I lost to a turn 4 infinite combo) times, but each time it never really got off its feet. I had the pieces in hand or in play but never got them going. Anything I can move around, remove or add? I'd prefer not to make Angry Omnath Commander.

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Remind me again why I am considered an asshole for playing infect?

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>>49883859
Because 10 < 40

>>49883859

Because infect creatures are way to strong for their mana cost. Also you are playing recuding each player's life 4 times.

>>49883829
Looks like you have a lot of jank landfall cards that are just there because they say landfall.

>>49883939
>Also you are playing recuding each player's life 4 times

and Sorin Markov does the same but he's considered a fair card

>>49883859
Depends. If you're using infect as a combo finisher, you're fine in my opinion. If you build a deck entirely focused on skittles infect and pumping things, you're probably a dick.

That being said, triumph of the horde is my favorite card.

>>49883859
It's considered a "short cut" to what's meant to be a slower, higher health format. But then again so are fast combos so w/e holmes.

Say what you want about infect, shits not as bad as oloro and his death star.

Oloro player gets that out early enough and suddenly its "who takes a bullet for the team" time.

>>49883859
Like pretty much everything in the format, whether or not you are an asshole for playing something is dependent on your meta.

And if you're playing with randoms then who gives a shit if they think you're an asshole.

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>>49884022
>Oloro player attempts to slam-dunk you with his water tower
>play this in response
>laff

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Working on Leovold, been doing so since he was spoiled. I am conflicted as I want it to be my most utterly degenerate deck (I kinda want to have my decks scale from silly tribal fun time to NO FUN ALLOWED depending on who I am playing against... especially the guy with Derevi).

However, despite that desire, when I look for good lists to reference, they're all either looking at Palinchron/Deadeye infinite combos (which I believe is going to get banned some day) or Doomsday.

For Deadeye, aside from my paranoia, I also tend to dislike anything requiring 3 or 4 specific cards to combo. And for Doomsday I find it utterly convoluted (wouldn't leveler be more direct and not waste so much time crafting a specific stack?)

I'm thinking of just making it Evil Edric. Wheel to empty hands, and ping people with specters and whatnot while they're locked out.

>>49883859

I used to think infect was unfair, but really, in a competitive meta, it is not. It's just as easy, if not easier to deal commander damage in the time it takes to do 10 poison counters.

>>49882610
Kill you're self.

>>49883958

Stuff like Grove Rumbler or Baloth Wood Crasher which are only temporary and don't really put me ahead in some way, right? Probably Akoum Stonewaker too, just because the elemental token doesn't last more than a turn, I think.

Any suggestions for replacing those?

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Post your current favorite commander, and why

>endrek, because I get to abuse the fuck out of sacrifice effects and aetherworks marvel

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>>49884162
>>49883271
>>49883111
>>49882813
>still replying after I was proven right

Jesus christ, move on.

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>>49884348

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post your "get out of jail" commander cards

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>>49884379
Hehehe got another one

what would happen if there was no commander damage, but life totals started at 20 instead?

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>>49884398

>>49884408
You wouldn't be playing Commander.

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>>49884398

>>49884418

okay, but what if people played with commander decks, but they started at 20 life, and 21 commander damage didnt cause you to lose?

what would that meta look like?

>>49884439

It would be crappy 100-card singleton Legacy...

>>49884408
>>49884439

Lifegain decks would dominate the format, and infect would be much more played.

Oloro would be 50% of all decks

>>49884439
>>49884408
They have a format similar to that, not sure if anyone still plays it but its called Tiny Leaders

>>49884418
except if you're french or hate fun

>>49884447

what would be crappy about it though? im not really looking for judgments here im looking for details

>>49884448

so lifegain is inherently overpowered you believe? and therefore commander damage is a necessary balancing element to prevent lifegain decks from dominating the format?

or is it just oloro's free lifegain from turn 1 thats the problem?

infect is theoretically better in a 40 life format than a 20 life, but you think that the prevalence of lifegain decks would be so high that infect becomes really important?

>>49884451

i played tiny leaders and it was okay, didnt really get enough games in to know what the metagame was going to evolve into. unfortuantely lots of really cool cards are higher than 3 cmc

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>>49884485
I think a huge misconception in the commander community is the reasoning behind commander damage being a wincon. It's not just there so your special snowflake voltron can one shot consistently, it's there to STOP decks like lifegain that could potentially dominate the format. Infect is designed in the same way. In a game without commander damage, a dedicated lifegain deck with pillowfort would just be *too* difficult and timeconsuming to take down.

Commander damage and infect serve as a cap to stop decks like that from dominating all out

>>49884485
You lack the contextual knowledge to even have a discussion on the topic without anyone else going into excruciating detail

Fuck off

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>that guy who attacks you every game despite being the lesser threat in the game

Why are you such a faggot, summers?

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>>49884538
The man wants to talk edh, and he's on edh general. Calm yo jets, it's all good.

>>49884545
What did you do to deserve it? Maybe he likes you, and doesn't know how to show it. Like a schoolboy pulling on a girls pigtails

>>49884538

we're already having a discussion on the topic and its going fine, sorry that i bothered you with my ignorance of context

>>49884537

lots of people seem to think that lifegain is really bad in commander, is the change to remove commander damage enough to completely reverse that? it was my understanding that infinite damage combos was the main issue preventing lifegain strategies from being viable

>>49884555
Nothing. He's just an indecisive moron who listens "that guy" whenever he can't determine what to destroy himself. he might also be salty because we're both ponyfags but he's autistic into loving OCs whereas I just watch the show and sees it as some afront

>>49881303

Who do you buy from?

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>>49884545
>that guy who removes your commander every time it's played while letting the Meren player get 12 experience counters uncontested

>>49884570
I think that's another thing that stops lifegain from being incredibly good. The thing is, all decks require some level of setup to combo off and win. For example, deadeye+palinchron=infinite mana. For lifegain, you need at least like 60 life, felidar sovereign and test of endurance

>Walk into LGS wanting to play some Commander
>Walk into 5 player game thats on turn 7
>3 players playing blue with plenty of counters and extra turn cards in their decks
>Decide to wait
>They take 1 and a half hours to complete.

Its a good thing I did trades a good chunk of the time but god damn.

>>49884628
**felidar or test of endurance

If either of these can avoid removal and you have the life, instant win.

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Friendly reminder for anyone with lifegain woes

>>49884656
I like forsaken wastes

>>49884628
>>49884637
Besides, infinite life is probably the easiest infinite you can go, and unless opponent is running infinites, you can't lose really.
I once built Medomai joke deck that revolved around giving him double strike and gaining as much life as possible without infinites. Surprisingly, it never lost a game, but I didn't play in a super high-power meta with it anyway. Anyway, I easily gained 16k life with it.

>>49884630
2 players casual sparring and practice
3 players acceptable fun
4 players optimum amount
5 players absolute maximum amount
6 players too much , split into pods of 3

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>>49884670
>>49884656
Just play this or Tainted Remedy. Olorofags will cry.
Once after oloro destroying my Remedy after 5 or so turns, he cast smugly Gift of Immortality, I responded with False Cure

>>49884703
Fun Fact: Rain of Gore doesn't affect Life gained via Combat-Damage Lifelink

Is there a good lifegain + control commander/deck archetype that doesn't involve Oloro in some way? I just really fucking hate the way Oloro is designed but I still want to do some kind of "i'm a big gay who gains life and kills enchantments for fun"

I guess I could do Ayli or something?

Commanders designed for the explicit purpose of being commanders were a mistake

>Derevi
>Oloro
>Leovold
>Meren

all total overdesigned, powercreeping cancer that reduce the amount of viable commanders simply by existing

>>49884730
Karlov, or kambal

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>>49884730
>i'm a big gay

>>49884737
oh yeah i forgot kambal was a thing now. i guess he would be good since i want to do orzhov goodstuff/control with a lifegain theme. i could just plop him down on turn 3 and enjoy the value

>>49884729
Of course, because it's not ability that gains life, but how damage is dealt. Still, it's pretty common mistake. It's fixed with Remedy though.

>>49884794

I always wonder why they didn't word rain of gore like tainted remedy in the first place, I realize it was before the change to lifelink/death touch, so originally it did apply to lifelink anyway, but I have to wonder if there was SOMETHING they didn't want it to apply to, and that's why they put in the part about spells and abilities

>>49884806

Wait never mind I figured it out, they didn't want rain of gore to combo with stuff thar gives your opponents lifegain

They decided when they made tainted remedy that those unflavorful combos are a small price to pay to make the enchantment work well against lifelink creatures as you would think a card like that should

>>49884827
For example, that would have been nuts with Grove

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>>49884730
Time to plug my Ayli list again! It's a lot of fun, reasonably skill-intensive, and comes with a card-by-card.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/come-on-ayli/

>>49884860

Ugh I hate when decks have a huge description and a bunch of comments because I have to scroll all the way down to look at the mana curve

>>49884860
Why would you not run Scrubland?

>>49882801
Jund em out with Karrthus as a finisher. Don't fall for the dragon tribal trap.

>>49884876
Sorry, is that a mobile thing? My monitor shows the mana curve on a sidebar on the right. It's even visible (partially) when my scrollbar is at the top.

>>49884883
I guess you could say this isn't an ideal version of the list, just the one I use, and I'd rather buy a whole subpar deck than a slight improvement to my manabase.
The fakes I bought look fake from space.

Ok anons, my meta is low tier crap, and it lets me be janky as fuck. I have angry elves, and I have spooky skeletons. I really want to do some more cheesy bullshit, but everyone is getting tired of me vontrolling the board with weenies and sac outlets plus gravepact. So I was thinking I could build a knight tribal deck. Do I just go ahead and run queen marchesa to get all the colors but green? Or is there a better option for knights?

>>49885204
Marchesa is okay, but I would vouch for Marton Stromgald, if you're willing to go monored. Adun Oakenshield is good too. I would run Haakon, but preferably in the 99 rather than commander.

>>49885252
Tits, Adun is expensive! He would do great, but fuck 40 bucks for it.

>>49883699
I hate this card so much. Even more than sol ring

>tfw your favorite deck stomps your casual group so hard you're always the first target, but it's too slow to compete in competitive

Karador is good, but I just wish people would play something other than "I go infinite turn 5"

When there's prizes on the line I get it, but when everyone gets the same promo why bother?

>>49883681
Tutors

>>49884656
Oh WHAT?

Now I need to put that in my rakdos deck, just to fuck with my buddy who runs Karlov.

>>49882434
Mishra

>>49881821

I got 3 fetches, and none of them are the good ones.

>>49882434
nin the pain artist

>>49880664
「BEAR HANDS」

>The 4-colour commander 2016 are a joke and you're supposed to take them apart and build two-colour decks. So for instance you take the white and blue cards from the UWRB and the RGUW deck and get a UW deck.
How mad would you be?

>>49886625
They've already confirmed with the printing of the masterpieces that they will no longer put value in Commander products, so I'm not getting them either way and will just buy the handful of new cards as singles.

>>49882661
I drew over 10 cards last time I played it. People are bad.

So are Kaladesh vehicles+pilots OP?

>>49883859
Because people are butthurt

>>49886753
Nah, but it's real fun to give them double strike with Shu Yun though
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jeskai-raceways-a-johnny-experience/

>>49886791
>only 7 monsters
wut

>>49886857
>monsters
wut

I would be ok with the Rules Committee just banning 25-30 cards and just trying to rebalance Commander by flushing many "staples" and cards that are just TOO powerful no matter the pod size.

The following Banlist would improve EDH
>Leovold, Emmisary of Trest
>Mizzix of the Izmagnus
>Maelstrom Wanderer
>Kokusho, the Evening Star
>Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
>Mana Crypt
>Sol Ring
>Unwinding Clock
>Winter Orb
>Static Orb
>Cyclonic Rift
>Dead Eye Navigator
>Cloudstone Curio
>Food Chain
>Greater Good
>Craterhoof Behemoth
>Primal Surge
>Tabernacle at Pendrall Vale
>Gaea's Cradle
>Consecrated Sphinx

>>49886857
>only 7 creatures
>5 of them makes tokens
>Elspeth makes tokens
>Metallurgic Summonings makes tokens

>>49886902
Show me on the dolly where my discounted instants and sorceries touched you

>>49887046
>Don't touch muh degeneracy
Fuck storm

>>49884555
damn, Nin's got some big titties

>>49886902
>Craterhoof Behemoth
>Ulamog
>Mizzix
Tell me how these are in any way bad for the format?

What are some good anthem effects in grixis? Thinking about running Martin Stromgald in my marchesa deck but there's got to be better options right?

>>49883939
>Way too strong for their mana cost
The vast majority of Infect creatures are overcosted for how small they are.

>>49886902
I have never seen a Tabernacle in paper. I think it's fine where it is, because very few people are willing to drop a over a grand on one

Also what the fuck happened to that price since Gatecrash?

>>49880645
she's a great commander for black, I agree

>>49886902
Why would they improve EDH?

>>49881850
I wish i were rich so i could fuck with the market as a past time. Real missed opportunities there to give neckbeards an anguish they'd never anticipated.

>>49885376
Because some people like playing the format at it's highest level. "Competitive" EDH capture the flavor of being a godlike spellslinging wizard more than any other form of magic IMO

>>49887317
Personally I think investing in Magic is for chickenshits who can't handle actually playing the market

They buy all these valuable cards and just sit on them, and then come out of the woodwork when people discuss the RL

>>49887130
Anthem of rakdos?

>>49887651
Damn, that shits even worse than Martin. What wouldn't I give for a grixis Cathars crusade

>>49887743
Instead of pumping your dudes, why not undermine your opponents dudes. Plus with red you can always use extra combat steps to increase your damage output.

>tfw fighting the urge to rebuild Shu Yun
Would Sublime Archangel be a terrible choice? I basically want Rafiq but with red and access to spellslingan

>>49887814
Making my opponents dudes small doesn't help me kill my opponents that much. My guys usually connect, I just want to be able to close out games with combat damage.

>>49887819
I mean, how many creatures does Shu Yun really run? It'll probably only ever be +2 or +3 power, which isn't bad, but it's also vulnerable to removal. I'm not a big fan of Archangel in a creature-light deck.

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>>49884597
>>49884545


This, holy shit, this.

>"Guys, the Derevi player is about to throw down a Winter Orb... no, you want to use your artifact removal on my mana rock... okay..."
>"Hey guys, Derevi has his Glen Elendra Archmage + Sage of Fables combo to indefinitely combo non-creature spells... that's kinda bad for all of u-... no, you want to exile my graveyard..."

Look I know, I'm obviously in it to win it too. But I like to win in the Timmy-est way possible withall my decks. But wtf is with my group and their lack of threat detection, especially when That Guy (Derevi, usually) or someone is blatantly setting up an infinite combo or lockout...

How does EDH general feel about using the Homeland names for wedge colors?

Bant - Green/White/Blue - Aysen
Esper - White/Blue/Black - Wizards'
Grixis - Blue/Black/Red - Sengir
Jund - Black/Red/Green - Koskun
Naya - Red/Green/White - An-Havva

>>49887890
Well, Talrand, Mentor and Yung Peezy should be reliable for tokens, which would help to get the Exalted levels through the roof

>>49887914
Poor threat assessment is one of my biggest pet peeves in multiplayer.

Like, I'm not gonna get mad at you picking on me every game- some people hold grudges. It's irritating, but I'll deal with it. But when you start blowing your removal on absolutely insignificant shit while someone is clearly gearing up to lock eveyrone out, or win, or just put themselves in a dominating board position, I want to slap the shit out of you.

>>49887934
That's stupid.

You're stupid.

>>49887867

http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/akromas-memorial/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/eldrazi-monument/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/ogre-battledriver/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/homura-human-ascendant/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/purphoros-god-of-the-forge/

>>49886902

Wow, most of these read like you just got btfo by someone in your LGS. Mizzix?! You think Mizzix is bannable? I've never even seen a Mizzix make it two turns on the board. the only one I'd agree with you on is Deadeye.

>Tabernacle
>Gaea's Cradle

Are you just playing against richfags with $2000 decks with a precon?

>>49886696
>Muh value

>>49887934
Those are not wedges.

>>49888029

Shards, my apologies.

>>49887990
To be fair, Tabernacle is a sack full of bitch to play against.

>>49885321
Oh, I thought he was reprinted in Chronicles. But mostly knights are in BW so he's missing the white anyway.
>>49888056
>playing creatures
You deserve to be punished in naughtiest way imaginable

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>>49887968

When I think about it, my office playgroup and their threat assessment:

>That Guy: used to play cool but competitive decks, now just Derevi every time. Always chides me that my Ghostly Prison or whatnot was clearly the bigger threat that his infinite lockout. Likes to shut me down because I'm the only one trying to stop him.
>Female Spike: gets really salty when she isn't performing optimally. Because of this and the fact she is female, everyone is nice to her. She had a crush on me, but friendzoned her, so naturally tries to kill me first.
>IT dude: often has a shaky grasp of the rules, likes to single me out because I've crushed him a few times in duels.
>The contractor: quite the spike, probably has the best threat assessment though. Probably the most reliable to make sound decisions.

When I go to the FLGS, it's quite different though. Most the people there are co-workers or college roommates and will ignore my board to beat up on each-other.

>>49880619
>What single card would you buy for $7.50?
Phelddagrif

>>49888132
I like the gang I play with, but so many of them have such fuck-awful threat assessment.

>>49888056

It's what, $1000ish now? That's like saying a Black Lotus is a bitch to play against. Yeah, true... but unless you are doing proxies, I suspect it shouldn't come up much. Plus, you could always use Ghost Quarter, Tectonic Edge, Wasteland, Strip Mine, or any of the red, black, and green land removal.

>>49888170
To be fair, "Creates a perceived high barrier to entry due to high monetary cost" is one of the banlist criteria.

I'm not saying it's unanswerable, I'm just saying it's a fucking irritating card until you CAN answer it.

>>49886902
Wasn't Kokusho on the banlist for a while?

>>49880646
Very competitive choice in a heartless summoning deck

>>49887983
I actually really like hours, thanks.

>>49888238
She was, because they felt like games devolved into "Reanimate/copy/steal the Kokusho" instead of just... Commander.

>>49886902
>maelstrom wanderer
>ulamog
>mana crypt
>sol ring
>cyclonic rift
>craterhoof behemoth
>consecrated sphinx
>deadeye navigator

i play all of these in the same deck, stay mad

>i want all of my games to last four hours and devolve into political discussions with magic-playing autists who have no concept of social interaction

>>49880646
literally doesn't matter outside of 1v1

>>49881382
cool as fuck so i can understand playing it in an intentionally bad deck

>>49888290
http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/berserkers-onslaught/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/goblin-bushwhacker/

Red is your best bet for pumps and additional combat fun. Depending on your deck's tribe docent of perfection gives wizards +2/+1 and flying. Then kick rite of replicaton and get 7 of those and all of a sudden your flying wizards are swinging for +14/+7.

>>49888313
>I want to instantly win the game because I was able to cast a single spell on turn 3

>>49888193

>Creates a perceived high barrier to entry due to high monetary cost

But it doesn't, because it is not a staple. If you sat down at a FLGS and everyone was running one, that would hold true. But they're not. They mean that in the context of everyone running it, creating that perceived barrier. Its expense it very much in part due to the fact that it is also very old and few printings.

Similar effects can be attained easily (not to mention Pendrell Mists, Magus of the Tabernacle). Yeah, a land is harder to remove than an Enchantment or Creature, but as I established before: land removal really isn't that difficult. Not to mention it only really shuts down token strategies. Its effect is annoying at best versus Voltron, pointless against spellslinging or combo. It's hardly affecting the format.

>>49886902
The only things I agree with on that list are the mana rocks and Gaea's Cradle

Everything else is bait/salt

>>49888378
I think you mean
>I want to be put in a heavily advantageous position because none of my three opponents had any countermagic or spot removal and I was lucky enough to draw an incredible starting hand in a format without partial mulligans

>>49888383
>Land removal isn't that difficult
Personally I'd say in an average game of EDH, lands are the hardest-to-answer permanent type.

Not everyone -runs- land destruction, even if they could, but you can bet every deck that's able runs creature/artifact/enchantment removal.

>>49888402
>I want to immediately win the game because nobody had a counterspell at this specific moment in time
There's an entire spectrum between "Combo out because nobody had Force of Will on turn 3" and "4 hour game of autism". Maybe I want my game to last an hour or so of actual back-and-forth interaction, instead of a 10 minute game of "4 players trying to force out a combo until someone breaks past the counterwall".

>>49888378

>I let people win the game because, despite seeing their commander clear as broad daylight and knowing its strategy and likely course of action, I don't save the appropriate removal or counters for that moment.

That's like walking into a Modern tournament and being shocked and caught completely off-guard to see a popular Tier I archetype on the board.

>>49888437
>It's my fault for not mulling to 2 hoping I get Force of Will, because instead of actually being allowed to play a game of Commander it's somehow my personal responsibility to police the asshole who brought Scion Hermit to a casual fuckaround game

>>49888418
>immediately win the game
the chances of this happening in a four-player game with a non-stacked cascade are near zero, you salty cunt

the most common result of casting wanderer early is that i hit something irrelevant like a ramp spell, and a good creature like inferno titan

hardly backbreaking in a f o u r p l a y e r game with three people capable of countering or removing things

>force of will on turn 3
you're allowed to play lands before turn 3, my man
anything from dissolve to doom blade to swords to plowshares is good enough to put the muzzle on maelstrom wanderer for the most part

>b-but you still get two free spells
when you spend 8 mana it's hard not to get a very powerful effect in this format

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>>49888410

>lands are the hardest-to-answer permanent type

That's true, but not THAT hard to remove. If you know your strategy can be shut down by a particular land, make sure you have some way to remove it. That's basic deckbuilding.

Maze of Ith shuts down Voltron strategies, so I throw some modest land removal in when I know I'm going to be relying on a single creature attacking.

As I said before, Tabernacle is most onerous against token strategies and is completely harmless against many others. Hardly justifiable for a banning.

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>More playstyle arguing
The ride never ends

>>49888545

I think she's doing that for erotic purposes...

>>49888614
Sleeping isn't erotic you weirdo

>>49888631
no, the whipped cream in her mouth

whipped cream is very erotic

>>49888646
This must be a ruse

I am praying this is a ruse

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Sorin's my boy... Hate the art on this card though.

>>49888698
Honestly, the armor looks like someone took an actual, real card art, and then badly 'altered' it with four colors of sharpie.

Dear /edh/:

I have a Zendruu EDH deck, but I'd like to work on designing another deck (even though I don't get a chance to play very often). I understand metas can either be hyper-competitive or extremely lax and chill so I would like to have a deck suitable for both. For a second deck I would be interested in making Zur, the Enchanter, Sek'Kuar, Deathkeeper, Phelddagrif, Uril, the Miststalker, or Teneb, the Harvester.

Does anyone have any opinions about which I should do?

>>49888698

The thing that gets me every time is that he's holding the sword in such a way that he'd be hitting with the flat of it rather than cutting with the edge...

...maybe he just wants to paddle Nahiri?

>>49888793
>...maybe he just wants to paddle Nahiri?
Who wouldn't ?

>>49888730

All of my this. I want to proxy him with the original art.

>>49888793
>>49888801this.

>>49888864
Like, it reminds me of the cheapest alters Argyle does for Lilianas- they're hashed out very quickly, using just one or two colors of sharpie or paint-markers, and it just looks jarring to see the professionally-done, highly detailed face jutting out of the equivalent of an MS Paint body.

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So there are no tokens for the 2/2 artifact creature "spawn" tokens, so I'm going to print out my own. What picture should I use?

>>49884555
>Nim decides she likes you
Wew lad, bad end.

>>49887934
You sound like the guy who was pushing Apocalypse factions over the Khans wedges which I loved. In this case, you'd be reminding people of Homelands, generally a bad time for all, and "Wizards'" is a terrible choice for color identity description.

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>>49889073
How is this a question

>>49889165
I feel like that would be a legendary spawn token

>>49889144

I just think Sengir sounds cooler than Grixis is all, so I figured I'd get other people's opinions on it. You can't force people to use shard/wedge names anyways. There's always going to be people who prefer things like RUG and BUG and Junk.

>>49889533
>>49889533
>>49889533
>>49889533
>>49889533

anyone ever run a 5-color deck with just a ton of torpor orb bullshit?

>>49889318
Grixis master race for life. And unlife too.

>>49888864
He kinda reminds me of Constanza.

>>49887934

No one knows these. When you say "Sengir" people will think of the vampire. Also "Wizards"?

>>49883983
Sorin is one card in the deck as opposed to an entire deck focused on infect.