>Everyone rolls 3d6 in order for stats >after everyone

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>>49874272
>Rolling for stats instead of being able to point buy to make the character you actually fucking WANT to play.

I wouldn't even bother to show up for session zero.

>>49874272
Better method
>pick three numbers between 3 and 18
>assign them to whatever ability scores you wish
>your other scores are those numbers minus 21
You're welcome

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>>49874644
That literally makes all your sats negative.

>>49874363
Seems reasonable

>>49874859

I think he's just a literal retard and meant subtracted from 21, still sounds dumb

>>49874363
I want to play a Monk who's good, while using point-buy!

>>49874363
>baby who plays RPG for power fantasy instead of role playing

Being able to effectively play a role you wouldn't normally consider >>>>> choosing a role you are comfortable with or worse and more likely, only choosing for the gameplay benefits.

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>>49874272
>>49874363
>people still arguing about 3d6 in order vs point buy

Roll-then-arrange master race reporting in

>>49874272
For a casual game between seasoned players who just want to play for a bit yeah.

Anything long-term and no-one gets to play their own characters or concepts so it's no fun

>>49874363
>Point buy
>Min-maxing scum detected

>Not playing with the DMs premade characters

Role play isn't just a wish fulfillment fantasy.

>B b but, muh magical realm!

>>49874363

Disregarding OP's "3d6 in order", how does having exactly the right numbers on your sheet let you play the character you want? Does it ruin your character if your highest stat isn't as high as you wanted or your lowest stat lower than you intended? Or do you just play for muh numerical advantage?

>>49877012
Lots of games have mechanical prerequisites for certain character builds, such as classes or feats that demand specific values in specific stats. If you don't have those numbers on your sheet in the right places, you can't play those characters.

>>49877012
>Want to play a charming, Robin Hood-style Rogue
>High DEX and CHA are essential
>Get shit DEX and CHA, but good STR and CON
>Looks like you have to play a Barbarian instead

>>49875058
>stormwind fallacy

Stats are dumb.

>>49877113

>Disregarding OP's "3d6 in order"

If you're allowed to arrange roll results as you wish, you'd have to pretty much roll terrible rolls for all stats for that to happen, at which point any sane GM would let you reroll.

>>49877051

I can understand this at least. Makes it more a system problem than anything though.

>Rolling nothing but 10-12s.

Look out here comes average man, with amazing power of mediocrity.

>>49877113
>not knowing that you're allowed to arrange the rolls
It's like you're trying to be retarded or something.

Everyone gets 10 in every stat. No exceptions.

>>49880758
I've done that before. Y'know what? It fucking works using B/X D&D though.
Though for 5e I bet just having another proficiency bonus would be more than enough. Start it at +1 and allow each ASI to add another +1 to it or a feat.

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Just draw cards, man.

>>49874272
10+2d6-4

>>49874272
Sounds kinda fun, to be honest.

>>49874644
That's kind of a fun prank to play on your players, I guess.

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Seems unnecessarily convoluted and pointless.

What's wrong with using point-buy?

>>49881646
Every character turns out the same.

>>49874272
If I were to walk into this as a player, I would trade for all the worst scores just to see what DM does when my character inevitably kicks the bucket.

>>49874272
Just roll a pool of dice and pick and assign dice out round robin style.

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>>49881667
>Every character turns out the same.
Maybe if you only use one specific build and array of stats for the rest of your life.

Rolled 4, 1, 1, 2, 4, 5, 2, 5, 6, 3, 1, 6, 2, 2, 1, 1, 5, 4, 4, 3 = 62 (20d6)

>>49874272
Random attribute array is best
>Characters start with a 15, 14, 13, 12, 10, and 8
>Roll 1d6 to determine whether the 15 goes in 1-Strength, 2-Dexterity, 3-Constitution, 4-Intelligence, 5-Wisdom, or 6-Charisma
>Roll again from the 14, 13, and so on, disregarding duplicates. Final undetermined stat is the 8
>720 possible stat arrays, all of them fair, no stupid high or low values, average of 12
Here, I'll give an example. Rolling

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>>49881667
See, I don't get this mindset. I know 2 rogues who used point buy, one a goblin one a dwarf.
The goblin completely tanked int and cha, so he could have ungodly amounts of dex at lvl 1, as well as decent con and wis for saves, he went for a scoundrel kinda rogue. The dwarf wanted to be able to use wands and talk to people like a dashing gent, so he had tanked str and int and had high charisma. We also had 3 rangers through our play, one who was a str/dex/con fighter type, one who almost became a rogue due to focusing on int for skills, and one who was simply an archer with a deadly aim.
There are so many archetypical characters people enjoy, that the stats end up different anyway. Who's to say I won't want 14 wisdom on my fighter just for the will saves, to represent an aged wisened fighter, as oppose to one who is out and out a str and con monster?

>>49880884
That actually isn't bad, it also balances variant human. Starting with all 11s could be a big deal.

Commoner game when?

>>49881753
Str 14
Dex 13
Con 8
Int 15
Wis 12
Cha 10

>>49874272
>Have pregenned highest to lowest values for each stat, so someone has str 17, 15, 12, 10, and 8 for example
>Give people a pool of points
>Play out a silent auction for each stat on slips of paper
>Highest str bid gets highest str, second gets second highest str, and so on
>For each stat

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>>49875104
fuck
yes

i seriously have no fucking idea why nobody ever mentions this system

>>49882125
Amber does this, although that game is diceless and the characters are meant to scheme and fight amongst themselves, so the competition works best in that context. Something Amber does (that you should probably do) is reward PCs for spending few points and punish them for spending more than their allotted amount. Like, what happens if someone doesn't bid on any stats? What if they bid poorly and are consistently behind other players by a point or two? What precisely do you do in the event of a tie?

Rolled 1, 5, 5, 1, 5, 6, 5, 3, 5, 3, 1, 5, 3, 2, 2, 6, 4, 6 = 68 (18d6)

Rolling for a Half-Orc Paladin

tell me its good bros

>>49874363

> unironically having a session zero

>>49882183
Amber is a stinking turd of a game whose only mechanic is "Suck up to the GM to win despite having lower attributes."

>>49881753
Your system was concentrated faggotry when you posted it the first time. You should never post it again.

>>49881667
>I make every character the same
>Why are all my characters the same?

Gee, better get Scooby and the Gang to solve this mystery

systems that require character sheets are inherently terrible :^)

>>49883618
>My freeform Gaia RP is the only true roleplaying

Kill yourself

>>49874272
It's odd that only DnD has this problem.

>>49874644
63 statpoint total is low tho.

I'd say 24 or 25 minus number rather than 21.

>>49874363
Play an edition where ability scores don't matter as much as 3.shit

>>49877012
Does it improve anything if you hit 5% less or more than that guy who rolled a bit better?

In the end, it's just a game, and stats are just numbers. If you believe your numbers being random somehow improves diversity, you need to try games where there are more important differences between characters than the numerics.

>>49882189
>Str- 11
>Dex- 12
>Con- 13
>Int- 9
>Wis- 7
>Cha- 16
Holy shit, nice job anon

>>49884834
Then you'd have to have a lower base so that people don't have 19s and 20s starting out. So if you were doing 24/25 the lowest starting stat would be 6/7 respectively
I'd play that desu