Must the protectors of humanity lose theirs in order to

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>>49865964

I always liked tropes like that.

The idea the character has two choices: live life as a selfish normie sheep, or sacrifice their own happiness to be a sheepdog.

There's something compelling about a hero who protects people so they can have the happiness the hero can't.

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>>49865996

What about in the case of Witchers or Space Marines? Both warriors recruit young and said recruits weren't exactly given a choice in the matter too.

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>>49866036

Don't know much about Witchers, but in the case of Space Marines I admit it's a little less compelling.

You can respect them for being so totally selfless, but it loses a bit of its weight when you realize they were brainwashed into it.

I really enjoy moralfag characters who became moralfags through their own choices. It's a lot more interesting when a person realizes they don't necessarily want to do something but do it anyway because it's right than when that person never even considers the difficulty in that choice.

Plus the "didn't have a choice" crowd can get a little annoying when they constantly wax on about how they didn't ask for it.

>>49865964
yes, humans are weak as fuck

>>49865964
First you have to define what "humanity" means when used as a quality of an individual that can be lost.
Is it an innate capacity for compassion? That can't be right, because clearly some humans never had it, while some non-humans have it.
Is it the exact human genome? Then I don't believe any deviation from that is inherently detrimental. If you had the ability to, for example, fully regenerate severed limbs, that's not a human ability, but you wouldn't be angsty about the fact that you're different from other humans. You might be angsty about how other humans treat you, or possibly the side effects of your superhuman ability if it has any.

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Monsters are constrained by their nature, men only by their grasp.

>>49866199

I always saw the best way to interpret "humanity" in this context is the sort of pleasant, mundane things of everyday life which heroes may have to avoid.

Things like family, a comfortable home, peace of mind, obliviousness to the real dangers of life, that sort of thing.

May not be the best interpretation though because that kind of implies social responsibility is somehow inhuman.

>>49866127
Witcher are orphans or children taken from their parents as part of a fairy-tale-style payment for Witcher solving the parents' monster problems, exclusively boys with one fluke/destiny-based exception. They're subjected to brutal training, undergo chemical mutations like/possibly worse than Halo Spartan or Space Marine surgery, and are then pressed I to service as inhuman monster hunters who never had a choice in the matter. Some of them are understandably bitter, since they never had a choice and were robbed of a chance at a normal life.

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>>49865964

but Geralt was incredibly human, on the inside.

he may look like a monster on the outside, but he was much more human than a lot of the other human characters.

>>49865964
No.

Humanity is a state of mind, and Geralt certainly kept his. He's a real human bean.

>>49866036
>I didn't ask for this
Well then it provides interesting conflicts with rebels. You have people like the Chaos Space Marines who go "You made us these killers, now watch us kill!" and then you have the loyalists who go "It may be difficult, but it's our duty and honor to protect the Emperor's people".

I made it so the somatosensory system fucks itself, preventing them from feeling pleasure or pain from any stimulation. They cans till feel pressure, and are aware when they are being damaged, but it simple registers as 'pressure' or 'i am being damaged', neither comfortable nor uncomfortable. .

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>>49866225
Oh, please. You were a monster long before you became a vampire, Kazikli Bey. You can't be trusted to have an unbiased perspective on this.

>>49866356
>Humanity is a state of mind
That was a surprisingly impactful statement for me, anon. Thank you for your input.

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>>49865964
I love heroes who find themselves in a "no right answer" type situation, but refuse to let go of their faith that they can still save everyone, despite the situation. Those who refuse to let go of their humanity even though there is a clear easy way out. Not in a "if you kill him, you'll be just like him" kinda way. More like those who resist corruption and temptation to compromise.

On that same note, I love watching a hero constantly compromise his morals for the sake of the big picture, then turning around and seeing how far he's come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT_vcm7eKIc

Valiant characters who cling on to hope are my favorite

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>>49866356
>>49866333
>>49866724


>Wha...What are you doing

>Killing Monsters

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>>49865964
Only if that is what necessary.

>>49866270
I always wondered, what keeps witchers witchering? They're super tough and fast badasses right? So if they don't like their lot in life, what's to stop them from doing whatever the hell they want?

>>49867243
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa23SEE2dsA

>>49866333
>>49865996
No matter how "bad" someone looks its whats on the inside if what matters.

Its like that one line Frodo says when they meet Aragorn

>I think a servant of the enemy would look fairer and feel fouler

>>49867340
>So if they don't like their lot in life, what's to stop them from doing whatever the hell they want?

Witchers are not *that* tough, and they're barely above Elves in terms of "things I hate" for the average Human.

>>49867340
Absolutely nothing. That's pretty much the entire backstory of several schools. It just happens that the wolf school is made up of relatively good people

>>49867381

and on top of the schools werent like 5 added for the game which never get expanded upon?

Viper+Cat said fuck it and became assassins/insane

People say Bear were just Viking Witchers

and the others were just Wolf I guess?

>>49867403
>and the others were just Wolf I guess?

Griffon School's schtick was signs.

>>49865996
Elseworlds, and to a lesser extent canon, show that Bruce actually didn't have to become the crazy asshole, and can do nearly as much good while tensioning a normal, sane human being. Hell, becoming a protector of humanity helped make damian human

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>>49866225
And a man is the most cunning thing in the universe, using any means he wants to make get what he wants done, no matter the price, lives or damage he does.

>>49866521
Wat.

What does it mean to be human, you ask? What does it mean to be alive?

If these things can be lost so easily, were they ever really there?

All I know is nobody can really agree on the answers.

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>>49867361

>Salamanders
>look scary as fuck
>heavily use flame weapons
>think they are edgetards who turn everything to ash for lols
>actually they are the broest of broest
>care for human life more than most other chapters

Its on the inside that counts

>>49865964
no

>>49865964
It's a platitude with no basis in reality and an overused cliche to boot.

>>49867607
And yet we seem to keep striving towards ideals, even when we have no idea what those ideals are.

>>49867702
I gotta say, there ARE some badass normies out there. Of course, I'd argue that being badass enough to stand on even ground with superhumans shows that you are also superhuman - in will, if not in body.

>>49867472
Is Hellsing good? Would someone who hates 85% of anime like it?

>>49867831

>Hates 85% of anime

Hellsing and One Punch Man should be watched.

>>49867831

>Would someone who hates 85% of anime like it?

I would say Hellsing is made for that crowd

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>>49867831
As someone who hates 85% of anime, I liked it. I can't remember all the anime I've ever liked, but off the top of my head: NGE, Elfen Lied, Ninja Scroll, Berserk, Basilisk, Death Note, FMA, and Cowboy Bebop. Mostly that general sort of edgy shit, I guess. And then Howl's Moving Castle.

Pic probably unrelated.

>>49867847

>One Punch Man

If he's seen enough anime to be familiar with the tropes OPM is satirizing, then sure. If not, then it's just gonna seem like crappy power fantasy with really high quality animation.

>>49867907

The ambient exposure you get to anime from this website is more than enough to "get" the show.

>>49865996
I agree with this.

>>49866036
I'd say that that's largely why those stories don't work as heroic tales, or function much at all (which I don't think they do). The hero must willingly sacrifice his own happiness for the sake of others to be compelling.

>>49867875
I would disagree. I hate almost all anime, and Hellsing is included among them.

>>49867881
I wouldn't count Ghibli as anime in the traditional sense.

I'll take your word though, /tg/, and give Hellsing a watch. It's now on my list.

Anyways, back to thread.

>>49867907
Idiot's who dont get OPM still tend to love it but they take it seriously instead of as satire more often than not.

>>49867040
> SURELY THAT FOOLISH MAGE WILL TRY INFILTRATING MY TOWER! GOOD LUCK GETTING PAST THE GHOSTS AND BLACK HOLE ROOMS, FAGGOT!
> *9/11s.

Kiritsugu knew what was up.

>>49865964
Sometimes. It depends pretty much entirely on context. Many heroes need not do so, and shouldn't use the services they provide as an excuse for forgetting basic decency.

The question that makes for an interesting story isn't the one about the person - it's about the threat. The lesson you should take from these stories isn't a hard-and-fast moral about whether the ability to live a good life is worth sacrificing so that others can have that chance. It's that there is no such general rule; you must constantly evaluate your life and the world around you to determine whether or not that's even a choice you have to make, and what it would really mean.

>>49868302

Yep, Zero was the only Fate series I actually really enjoyed. Kiritsugu was so fucking hilarious.

>>49866127
>You can respect them for being so totally selfless

WTF are you smoking? Being a marine is pretty much the pinnacle of most cultures they draw upon.

In a shit hole like 40k that kind of prestige cant be found pretty much anywhere else.

I would argue most if not all neophytes took on the challenge for the very most selfish of reasons betterment of their own personal station.

They just accepted the protect humanity baggage that comes along with their new status as warrior gods.

>>49867831
>Is Hellsing good?
Hellsing OVA is good
Berserk (1997) should be watched as well

>>49865964

Humanity is WHO you are not WHAT you are

>>49868905
>warrior gods.
Give me a squad of Kasrkin and I'll kill of these "Warrior gods"

>>49868973
But what makes a person, rather than a thing? Can you say? I can't.

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>>49865964
Humanity is a state of mind anon
But often times the kind of things a person has to do to keep the peace weigh on the mind.

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>>49865964
No. I don't like this modern development, where you either have to be Lawful Stupid or be a grim and brooding edgelord. Why can't you just be a champion of Good who's not retarded, who can clearly distinguish between those who deserve a second chance and those who do not?

>>49868955
>Berserk (1997)
I hate how you have to say that. A mere half year ago simply saying "Berserk" would have sufficed.

>>49867243
The hype was fucking real.

>>49869010
>A mere half year ago simply saying "Berserk" would have sufficed.
Hellsing OVA is the only way to watch it, the Americanized version of Hellsing is really shit.
The Berserk movies are okay, but they miss most of the actual character development.
But mostly the 2016 anime is kind of shit, mostly due to the animation style.

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>>49865964
Yes. I'm sorry

>>49868442
People keep shitting on it, but holy shit did I enjoy it. I get everyone's complaints, but holy shit. His deadpan expression pulling that "bring a gun to a wizard fight" shit was hilarious. Also:
> Sir Lancelot hijacking a fighter jet.
> Sir Lancelot in a dogfight with a Babylonian God-King in the skies above while King Arthur and Alexander the Great team up to defeat Cthulhu.

>>49869010
>Guts
Can someone just go "Game of Thrones" on this poor bastard and buy him a pile of prostitutes and a decent meal?

If his personality wasn't completely shot he might be able to go to a castle somewhere and say "Hey bro, demons are real and I can prove it" Then humanity might be able to kick its own ass into shape, but at the moment he is keeping himself and the existence of extra plannars more or less shrouded in myth

>>49867831
Most people hate 85% of everything. Hellsing is super anime while also being its own thing. Hard to quantify really. Both the OVA and "filler ending" shows are pretty decent. I didn't like the OVA's TWEEST and the broadcast show had better music, but other than the TWEEST, the final episodes of the OVA were better.

>>49867881
Elfen motherfuckin Lied

>>49866356
You also get the chance to say fuck it at times. There was a town where I accidentally final solutioned it. Still got paid.

>>49869112
He only liked sex with his waifu tho

>>49869112
You have not read it lately, have you?

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>>49866422
Honestly, the main reason I like Space Marines is because Chaos Marines are great villains. I don't even like the Chaos gods that much, but "child soldier becomes violent demi-god superman" is something that works for me.

>>49867426
>>49867403
Manticore they never even talk about, it's just an excuse to add in the witcher 1 armor.

>>49867243
>>49867350
Not as good as the W1 ending.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-OVfbwB7rg

>>49865964
Geralt is a liar. He's just as human as he ever was, he's just a prick who likes to pretend he's cool and aloof

>>49869112
He doesn't want whores, he wants Casca.
His mood has improved anyway since he became a babysitter

>>49869453
Maybe he's a fan of the anime, the poor bastard

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>>49865964
>only edgelords can save us now
hell no

>>49866167
t. millenial

>>49869038
>the Americanized version of Hellsing
But it follows the manga to a t.

>>49867340
they are trained killers and can't really do much else.
So being monster hunters or murderers for hire is all choice they got to earn their living.
But they are better at killing monsters than men (there are plenty of human swordsmen that can defeat witchers, but they would still fail against monsters witchers face since they require different techniques) and they are shunned by normal people, so they have to stick to other witchers. And if they become murderers, they will be shunned by other witchers too, so they will basically be completely on their own.

>>49870582
The manga wasn't done when it came out, and flies off in a different direction once it hit the cut off point

>>49866199
There's a reason why we throw insults at those without any compassion - one of them being "inhuman".

>>49869862
Jacques de Aldersburg did LITERALLY nothing wrong

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>>49865964
Nah, when someone's saying otherwise- tell them to fuck off and stop being tryhard faggots. "Losing your humanity" is a shitty meme, and all it does is turn you into an edgy bitch. And no, you don't suddenly become a non-human if you get superpowers or turn into a monster or some shit, you just become a human with superpowers.

if by "lose your humanity", then you mean become a mindless do-good robot, then i would say it depends heavily on whose definition of good you are made to enforce

"Being mocked for your compassion is a small price to pay for retaining your humanity."

>>49865964
Geralt was incredibly human he could love and create friendships and he cared for said friends and he could feel age if he saw someone harming a innocent he is very human.

>>49867403

>Viking Witchers

That sounds pretty cool would they use silver axes?

>>49872699
Are there any actually cold witcher in the setting? All the other wolf school guys seem just as human if not moreso than Geralt. Seems like the "saps your emotions" bit about the mutations is just more witcher propoganda

>>49873272

School of the Cat sort of did this, the result were insane assassins that hired themselves out to the highest bidder.

>>49866226
Others might take it to mean moral sacrifices, like a pacifist forced to kill to protect the innocent in a lawless world, a rescue man forced to let some one die so that they might save others, inner humanity, the ability to appreciate what is lost, the reasons such sacrifices are made can matter far more then the dreams itself

>>49867040
I've always wanted to see a post apoc type hero try as close to pacifist as possible, rubber bullets, beanbags, tasers, tear gas etc. But every once in a while you just have to beat a child sereal killer to death

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>>49873335
So...Vash?

there's a pretty cool witcher larp in poland

>>49873272
Pretty much just a in universe meme about them.

>>49873414

People were just pissed they took kids and blah blah why do we need to pay some jack off with yellow eyes when we can totally do it ourselves

>>49873272
Letho does seem pretty muted. He still has his passions clearly, but he just doesn't express all that much. Not sure if it's mutations or if he was always destined to be a big creepy fuck

>>49868990
Some would argue that what makes the worst people of history frightening isn't that they were inhuman monsters inside, but deep down all too human, that what makes a monster is made of the same stuff that makes a man

>>49869010
Because nobody "deserves" a second chance, but that's why mercy os such a virtue, forgiveness isn't earned, but a gift given at the discretion of the wronged, redemption is what the forgiven do after that

>>49869070
For what, I don't follow your reference

>>49869493
Yeah, even of most of them are utter scum, there is something about them because they took it because it was as they could see the only way to freedom of any sort, tragically ironic as they are made slaves to even worse powers who care even less then their previous masters ever did

>>49873272
I think it falls more into the confusion of nature/nurture, the mutations are blamed instead of the upbringing

>>49873371
Shit! I never even watched trigun

>>49866225
>Only a man can hope to kill a monster
>Literally no human could ever hope to kill him
>Now Alucard is literally immortal
Yes lets get a long list of the men that can kill Alucard. The closest Alucard came to death was when a robot trapped him by having a half-fae catboy kill himself.

>>49867831
>Would someone who hates 85% of anime like it?
Probably not. It has the issue of a lot of anime where the hero is never actually in danger and its obvious that he's just fucking with people. Combined with Alucard bitching about being a "monster" and talking about how great humans are while killing them in their hundreds or thousands it is really fucking tedious. The fights are sometimes good but the show as a whole isn't really worth it IMO.

If you like unstoppable protagonists and can overlook Alucard's retarded moral code than sure it seems good but I hate both those too much.

>>49870040
Physically, he's a bit superhuman.
Mentally, he's a decent guy who likes to have an excuse to weasel out of a bad contract. Also, completely incapable not to get involved in the deepest of shit going on around him

>>49865964
Just what is so wonderful about one's humanity? The purpose of protecting the population is only ever to allow them the chance to transcend their limitations in their own time. Gleefully cast off those limits and restraints, and in so doing share the example of what people could become. Stand as their bulwark, their protector, and the nobility they should always aspire to- not because that is the price of your ascension but because it is the RIGHT thing to do. Or, alternately, Khan Noonian Singh is wrong, superior ability does not equate to superior ambition, it confers greater responsibilities.

>>49873695
It's because he enjoys it. He claims to hate politics, parties and magic but practically jumps on opportunities to engage in any. He is just a pathological liar. The man's name isn't even real; he isn't from Rivia, he just though it sounded sophisticated

>>49866127
McNeill's Ultramarine books have marines with personalities that realise what they're missing out on. The Ultramarine Captain in one story actually thinks about how he's lost his humanity, comparing himself and his company to the tyranids they're fighting.

>The soldiers around them were numerous, though nowhere near as numerous as the tyranids. But where the defenders of Tarsis Ultra had the advantage over the alien horde was in their basic humanity, the courage that came from defending one's hearth and home.
>The very thing Uriel and his sergeants lacked.

>>49873777
He was knighted by the Queen of Rivia... eventually

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>>49865964
it helps

>>49873786

Remember the Unfleshed they were all reverse abortions but some how in this a fucking hellscape they still managed to know about the emperor

>Does the Emperor love me?
>He does

>>49873494
**That is Kephri, who was once Weaver, and before that Skitter, and then just Taylor Hebert. A girl who wanted to be a hero and sadly got her wish. In order to defeat an impossibly powerful alien creature so vast and beyond understanding that it might as well be a god she had have her brain augmented so that her power's limitations were removed... from there she had to control the minds and bodies of the world's hundreds of heroes, villains and undecided, throwing them with horrifying, grievous losses against this creature. She lost herself inside her power, both because it was so great, and because it was the only way to deal with the horror of knowingly killing so many people. In the end she won, she saved the world and all the other earths too, but the cost was abominable, horrifying, and her power would never be able to turn off. Another character shot her in the brain to turn it off, without killing her, and dumped her into another dimension.**

Worm is a REALLY not happy series.

>>49873560
Watch Trigun

>>49873830
God Damn those Kids had it rough, they stand as testament to the strangely innocent conviction that humans can have, they had shrines to the emperor in the fucking warp if I remember, not even Draigo can say he did that, They deserved so much better

>>49873855
a pity they couldn't have simply killed her, that might have salvaged what was left of her soul at least

>>49873855
I heard someone asked Wildbow about that and he was pretty much like, 'Lulz, wait, you took that ending literally? Do you really think someone is going to survive two bullets to the noggin?'

(Nevermind that it totally can happen, however unlikely, and Contessa's power would pretty much show her how to manage it.)

>>49874009
yeah but wildbow is a shitty author, the whole reason Shards activate with horrifying life destruction events is because he can't write well-adjusted people.

>>49865964
No. Nobody can actually say to fight monsters while becoming a monster himself. That way you're just replacing a monster with another

>>49866333
Grealt was a self centered and self righteous prick who only cared for himself. He not once stood for a greater good that wasn't his own

>>49873597
>lets get a long list of the men that can kill Alucard

Michael McDoesntexist?

>>49874212
and the TFS fags come out of the wood work

>>49874135
>>49874009
would you recommend worm or is it one of those things where you regret emotional investment?

>>49874225
We're literally termites, so yeah. That is where we come out.

>>49867361
"What makes a man a man? A friend of mine once wondered. Is it his origins? The way he comes to life? I don't think so. It's the choices he makes. Not how he starts things, but how he decides to end them."
-Agent John Myers, BPRD

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>>49865964
The only thing we need to gain power is more weaponry!
>>49867040
Pic related?

>>49869112
t. animeonly retard
end yourself

>>49867243
>his monologued line is taken directly from one of the early novels.
>the "killing monsters" like is an appropriation of a line Cirilla made in the later novels when in the same basic circumstances, in tower of the swallow, back in the late 90s, when Geralt was still trying to stick to his "witcher neutrality".
>at the end of the novel he realizes he's no longer a witcher, and no longer believes in "witcher morality". took him a long-ass time to figure it out.
>lambert makes fun of him for it in witcher 3.

Fuck I love this franchise, video game series , and character. The hype was justified. (Unlike no mans sky). Looking forward to the Talsorian witcher rpg, even if only for the cd projekt setting guide.

>>49867340
Many of them do quit.

And by Geralt's time, they're nearly extinct, and no longer really needed.

The videogame setting's only real change is the prevalence of monsters and dangerousness of the world.

>>49873597
There should've been more porn of the schroed.

>>49874459

>How do Witchers fish?
>Bombs
>This is played as Geralt bullshitting

>Lambert actually uses bombs, the absolute madman

>>49874237
Yes. Yes to both.

>>49874009
If Contessa really wanted to kill her, there would be no reason to use two bullets. And in the last epilogue, tattletale also implies that taylor is alive.

>>49874531

Lambert Lambert what a prick

>>49874459
No Man's Sky was one of the most disappointing games ever, thinking it didn't deserve the hype is obvious.

>>49867243
Still mad he didn't use the silver sword on Whoreson

>>49874459
They fucked up the Wild Hunt though. Where was all the necromancy?

>>49876127
Yennefer did use necromancy.

>>49876162
I meant the Wild Hunt itself didn't use necromancy. they're supposed to be crazy necromantic elves raising the spirits of the fallen

>>49876176
No, in books they just kidnapped people.

>>49876176

The Wild Hunt were douchebag Imperialist extradimensional space elves who hunted humans for sport after they wiped out Humanity on their own world.

>>49867472
That's a bold claim. For a machine to make.

>>49868211
Go with Hellsing Ultimate. It's a more complete retelling with way better art

>>49874237
I found stabbing myself in the hand more fun.

It's a shitty, horrible universe, filled with shitty, horrible people that I couldn't give two flying fucks about. I'd say never read it, you'd be a happier person. Its misery porn.

>>49866270
>undergo chemical mutations like/possibly worse than Halo Spartan or Space Marine surgery
I forget the survival rate of it, but I know the average for Witchers is only 3/10 survive the training and the mutations.

>>49877221
>witchers aren't even polite enough to leave a retarded cripple in the child's place
>based ONI

The best Lawful Good is one part doofus, five parts warrior, twenty parts JUSTICE! With a dash of common sense and a spark of heroism to ignifht the flames of passion in the cold hearts of men.

>>49873456
>what makes a monster is made of the same stuff that makes a man
Only slightly off. Choice in the end is what makes a monster or a man.

>>49865964
Sometimes. In a grey morality setting then absolutely, Heroes may well buckle under the pressure of holding up justice, glory and compassion by themselves. But no-one else will.

It loses its value in a Bright setting though and I'm not so much a fan of it there.

>>49873456
>>49877388
Seems to me it's the devaluing of the lives of others that causes it

>>49877221
>Halo
Spartans 2s I believe 47 of the original 150 survived the process.
Spartan 3s was 70%.
Spartan 4s is almost 100%.
>Space Marines
It depends on the chapter geneseed (IW/UM/IF geneseed was very stable, RG and WE was not) but it varied from 3:10 to 6:10.

>>49877766
I thought the odds of surviving SPESS MUHREEN training and surgery was only 1 in 1000 survived.
999 washouts of an army of 1000 badasses

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>>49874704
Underrated post.

>>49878067
difference between surviving and passing. Chapter serfs are often failed aspirants and there are loads of them, so more than a few must fail but survive.

>>49873777
Seeing as one of the endings to Witcher 3 is he fucking retires and leaves all that shit behind, I think its safe to say he generally doesn't like, but he gets sucked into it enough that hes learned to enjoy some parts of it.

>>49865964
In Halo, Spartans are depicted as having little to no emotion, but usually have something to helps them hold onto their humanity.
IE. Other Spartans
Or in Master Chiefs case, Cortana.

>>49865964
If you sacrifice your humanity, you aren't a hero any more.

>>49866167
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Wz2IFuUjma8

I think the Grey Wardens are the best.
They get "cheated" into that life.
But once their in, they know the importance and refuse to leave anyway.

>>49880509
Wardens hold on to their fellow wardens. It's one of their central tenets, and is certainly a very humanizing aspect. Until inquisition, which totally fucks the wardens. And ferelden. And all hawke's friends. And flemeth

>>49865964
No

>>49882575

It's incredible how shit Bioware became almost purely from their own incompetence.

>>49879132

Think of it this way, the transformation warps or take away certain sensations a regular human can feel. Imagine your favorite meal no longer having the same taste because the receptors in your body tells you otherwise, it may taste like poison or simply something so unfamiliar you want to vomit.

Or the sounds that you hear that most humans can. Hypersensitivity to sounds is much having a dog's sense of hearing, you could certain things that others cannot and it drives you nuts when they think you are mad. Or if you have abilities that gives you claws or other inhuman mutations, they are abnormal limbs.

And that is simply the physical part, the mental part is translating all that new sensations and not going insane.

This is what losing your humanity feels like.

>>49882605
I blame EA, their downward spiral began pretty much immediately after acquisition

>>49865996
"Sheepdogs" are self righteous shitters who walk around OC-ing their tacticool'd ARs while pretending to be cops. Fuck them and the meme they rode in on.

t. /k/

>>49882821
Mind as well say "began immediately" given how EA carries with it a base amount of taint.

>>49882605
>have two top tier ip's
>sequel potential that could be milked for years
>fuck it all up
I have no goddamn sympathy

>>49882821

EA is the spice used to mask the flavor of Bioware's own incompetency, going from "great" to "holy shit what the fuck" was way too quick to be a result of the acquisition, and more importantly the people Bioware chose to hire and surround themselves with was, for the most part, completely voluntary.

Or are you going to tell me they were forced to hire Hamburger Helper?

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>>49865964
Hell no.

>>49882909

Not only did they fuck it all up, they actively attacked their core fanbase for speaking up about the games.

Bioware's luster was lost with Dragon Age 2, but it was in Mass Effect 3 the company's reputation truly died.

Small wonder gaming journalism went 150% Damage Control with Inquisition, praising it as Game of the Year two weeks after it was released and claiming it's a solid sign of Bioware still being the "Greatest RPG company of all time THEY STILL GOT IT GUYS TRUST THEM."

>>49882963
I don't play Bioware games. What did they do that garners so much hostility?

>>49874237
>would you recommend worm
If you've got a week you don't mind just pouring into reading ~1.5M words worth of human wreckage and emotional trauma.

>or is it one of those things where you regret emotional investment
Yes.
One of the funnier characters is a sociopathic fourteen year old named Regent. His power is nerve hijacking, and he gained it because his dad had emotional manipulation powers that he used on every one of his kids to try and force them to trigger. He got pasted by a literal monster - called an Endbringer, specifically a dynakinetic(energy manipulator) called Behemoth - protecting the one actual functional relationship he had ever had, his girlfriend. His sister, Cherish, who had powers more similar to their dad's, had brain surgery that turned her power's range up to the maximum, but limited it to soul-crushing depression, and was placed into a life support pod that was sunk to the bottom of an old ship graveyard. She tried to double-cross a group of villain capes, called the Slaughterhouse 9, trying to turn them to her own ends so she could off her dad, then, supposedly, turn them in, and they found out.

>>49882989

Dragon Age 2 was a gigantic flop of a game; terrible story, inconsequential choices, cliche and annoying partners, reused maps and poor graphics... The list goes on, and the list shows that Bioware was no longer invulnerable, as before Dragon Age 2 the company was well-known for their lineup of "perfect" games.

Dragon Age 2 came and went, and as hype for Mass Effect 3 built up, so did dissension. People started questioning Bioware, since they now had precedent to question them. Leaks of the early game plot were released, revealing untold horrors of awful storytelling. The damage was being done, but people still held strong Mass Effect 3 would be good, that they would wake up from these false nightmares.

The nightmares were real, far more real than they had any right to be. The game was okay on the surface, but every time you look closely you'll find a new bump; the hub world was terrible, some of the characters were walking cliches or blatant gaming journalistic fanservice, the plot was... Oh man, you should've seen how bad the plot was, how horrible the writing had become. The company that built their reputation on weaving stories and characters into cinematic, choice-filled plots created a game with the Starchild, with Kai Leng, with the ending to Mass Effect 3.

You must've heard about the ending of Mass Effect 3, did you? The epic conclusion to the trilogy that was a hash-brained A B C choice that offered a vague, color-coded ending where everyone suffers and nothing good happens? Yeah, that ending, the ultimate kick in the nuts. The Mass Effect trilogy ended with a "BUY MORE DLC" message taking you back to the Normandy.

Worse than the ending, after fans started complaining, you know what happened? Bioware *attacked*, they called their fans STUPID, they called them ENTITLED BABIES, they called them every insult under the sun for DARING to QUESTION their ARTISTIC VISION.

>>49882877
Originally it was a thing military types called each other. The idea was similar but instead of wankery it was to put you in the right frame of mind for work.

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>>49883127

This only enraged the fans more; how could Bioware do this? Why? So people started turning their back on the company, started dropping interest in future games. Bioware didn't care, their mind was set on this matter, but EA was nothing if not profit-driven, so with the closest thing to a "fuck you, fine" they could give, Bioware released an "Extended Edition" of the ending that answered a few more questions and fixed things a little bit more.

It didn't work as well as they hoped, so when Inquisition was announced gaming journalism, by this point deep in the pockets of gaming companies, started praising the game. The third flop in a row for a company actively hostile to their fanbase should not have been given this much praise, but praised it was, described as an RPG for the ages, Game of the Year, an Inclusive Foray into a Cherished Fantasy Setting... Even though the game was shit, but the reasons for that are too numerous to put in this post (consider it Mass Effect 3: Dragon Age edition.)

The game even won Game of the Year when it was released later that year in what was the most transparent "we were paid to give them the award" ploy of all time. EA insisted the game was a huge success, but many have their doubts. All the while Bioware and journalism insist they "still got it DAMN we still got it."

And now Andromeda is coming out, and we've got people like pic related working on it.

>>49883127
I honestly believe they could have survived daII. It wasn't good, but there were still glimmers of hope. Best of all, bioware never acted like it was some artistic masterpiece that we just didn't get. I think you hit it on the head with me3 though. Not only was the ending shit, but they told us we were wrong to think it was shit

>>49882918
Most of the major talent quit right after acquisition and subsequent policy changes. The only delay was how long it took them to find a new job.

Much of what was left quit within a year after that.

The people who were still with BioWare a year after acquisition were the dregs of the old company.

>>49882963
BioWare's best games all came out before 2006.

Kotor. Nwn. Baldur's gate.

>>49870728

>there are plenty of human swordsmen that can defeat witchers

No, there's literally just one who can take them 1v1. Leo Bonhart, who's a freak once-in-many-generations dude. When humans kill Witchers otherwise it's because they're being Zerg rushed.

The real reason they rarely leave their trade (except to become assassins) is that people fucking /hate/ them. Take the most Stormfront KKK motherfucker and think about how he looks at black people. You now understand how the average peasant feels about Witchers.

Even if they wanted to settle down there's nowhere for them to do that. Normal humans are just gonna make their life a living hell until they either snap and go full murderhobo, or give up and leave and get bitter.

For the OP, everything like the Witcher code, deadened emotions, and their supposed neutrality is a crock of bullshit. They use them as excuses for what they do, they aren't literally unfeeling, and there's no Witcher code at all. Their neutrality, where it's practiced at all, is enlightened self-interest because it helps keep them out of trouble.

>>49883179
Yeah, I'm certainly not going to buy their new shit.

And that guy is clearly a fucking racist and an anti-European bigot.. I wish nothing but misfortune upon him. And even if the games were going to be good (they're not, of course) , I'd boycott the company I used to adore and was the reason I got into software development, for no reason that to avoid contributing to his salary.

If they get any money from me at all in the future, it will be because I bought one of their old titles for cheap, on gog, so I don't need to hold onto the discs anymore.

>>49883579
All of that is about the northern kingdoms.

Nilfgaard is many things, but among them, it's far less racist.

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>>49883619
>I'd boycott the company I used to adore and was the reason I got into software development, for no reason that to avoid contributing to his salary.

>mfw I used to be a diehard fanboy
>mfw the type of fanboy that would be there to become a new OP for a General
>mfw the type of fanboy that refused to read the ME3 leaks because they were "wrong."

>>49883645

Not really.

Nilfgaard is even more hilarious in a lot of ways. They use the Elder Tongue but regard actual non-humans as second-class citizens. And if you're using the third game as a basis for how Nilfgaardians view Witchers? You meet precisely one group of Nilfgaardians before becoming Emhyr's envoy and everyone is instructed to play nice or or die slowly at the hands of the setting's most vicious, patient sadist.

>>49883660
I was a fanboy before dragon age or mass effect. I played dragon age 1 and me 1, didn't like them that much (they were alright), and while I have me2 and da2, I haven't bothered to play them.

I stopped wanting to work there when they got bought by ea (I heard what working for an ea owned company was like. The company I most wanted to work for because of the work they did and the company environment for their developers got bought by the company I swore never to work for because of the awful work conditions they force on their employees and the sloppy work they do).

So, my interest was already pretty low by the time of the me3 debacle, and this racist twat is the nail in the coffin.

>>49883686
I'm relying more on what I saw in the novels for info.

>>49883127
>>49883179
Mass Effect and Dragon Age: Origins are just about the last good games Bioware has made. They both have an excellent story structure; a tutorial mission that lets you flesh out your character's attitude and personality, a main story mission in a semi-open area that really gets the plot rolling, then 4-5 big main quests you can tackle in any order (plus a fair number of side quests and places to explore) and finally one or two key missions or quests to finish off the campaign.

They also have much better villains. ME 1 had rogue badass operative Saren, the legions of implacable Geth, and the looming threat of the Reapers, while DA:O had the back-stabbing Taryn Loghain, the legions of Darkspawn, and the inevitable Archdemon. You've got a cunning and ruthless primary antagonist with tons of minor 'fodder' enemies to deal with along the way and the horrifying villain behind the scenes setting everything in motion. Saren and Loghain believe themselves to be the heroes of their own stories, they're the 'good guys', here to save humanity from a terrible catastrophe. In comparison,
>Dragon Age 2 can't decide if the villain is Varic's brother, the Darkspawn, the Qunari, the Mages, the Templars, or your OWN ALLIES
>Dragon Age: Inquisition has Corypheus, who is basically a whiny magician who decides to take over the world because he couldn't find God in the Fade, along with the same demons we've seen dozens of times already, not to mention Solas is a colossal asshole who got tens if not hundreds of thousands of people killed for completely selfish reasons
>Mass Effect 2 has the Collectors, a placeholder antagonist that added next to nothing to the overall story, and legions of mercs to kill who Shepherd really had no business messing with in the first place given his/her goals.
>Mass Effect 3 is so broken on every single level that I can't even go into adequate detail in thirty paragraphs, much less a single one.

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>>49865996
Daredevil is sick of your shit
I'll take it a step further.
Not only can you not lose your humanity to protect humanity, if you do, you are incapable of the job.

>>49883733

The ones where they repeatedly used non-humans as expendible terror troops, refused to honour the deal for Dol Blathanna because lol non-human scum, and generally treated anyone who couldn't at least pass as a human like shit?

Ehhh...

>>49883719
If you wanted to *work* for a videogame rpg company now?

I'd probably lean towards obsidian, or maybe cdpr if I spoke polish.

How's this for a moral dilemma:
A man kidnaps children and puts them through horrifying procedures to make them super soldiers and the party has the opportunity to kill the madman in charge.
HOWEVER
The kids are far enough along in the procedure that stopping it now would kill them, and only the bad guy can save them by completing the procedure.
Which is the "good" option?

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>>49883799

So basically he figured out the recipe to the Trial of the Grasses?

What is he using these super soldiers for?

>>49883799

There is no good option.

Just bad and slightly less bad.

The most bad option is to kill him now, all kids die as a side effect.

The less bad option is to let him complete the process then immediately sweep in. At least then some of the kids survive.

Complicating factor is what the process does. If the result is monstrous enough, might be kinder to spare them depending.

>>49883771
They refused to honour their deal with dol blathanna because they don't honour deals with anyone.

They treated everyone except the nobles from the capital as expendable, I'd say equally so, from my impression of the series.

I don't recall them showing any special enmity for nonhumans. Example?

They do keep their mages on very short leashes, but that's because emhyr feared their power, not because lol racism.

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>>49883765

>implying

By "happiness the hero can't" I'm just using flowery speak to refer to the peace of mind someone who doesn't do that stuff has.

Daredevil brings up cops and firefighters. They do in fact see and do things most people don't want to see or do because someone has to. That's all I'm talking about.

>>49883799
let them become super-soldiers, kill creator and take the great warriors with you

>>49874509
Seconded, first character where I got a boner and realised I literally didn't care what gender they were.
They literally made me question my sexuality.

>>49883765
Hey \daredevil. You should try the red one.

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>>49865964
Fuck no, and fuck anybody who says so.

It is the way of the weak to succumb to corruption and lose their humanity in the wake of power. The greatest of men are those who stare into the abyss and spurn it.

>>49883816
>>49883824
I haven't exactly thought that far ahead. This was more of a spur of the moment thing. I suppose as far as motivation it'd make sense for him to be some sort of government worker, and maybe the party could learn about the super soldier program because the government worker hires them to kill one of the finished products that went AWOL and became a crazy murderer.

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>>49865964
Nope.

I do, however, find the concept interesting.

>>49883914
This, just because you need him alive for a while doesn't mean you need him forever. If he is needed indefinitely to keep the kids alive (science shit that no one else can make or do for whatever reason) kill him and put down the children.

>>49865964
Not necessarily, but it's a good trope. I especially like when man has to create monsters they can't control to defeat their enemies. Like the Warminds in Destiny.

>>49884145

Like any concept it all depends on how well it's written.

It is kind of fun to see the character who gives up his family or his love life to serve others. But it can get old when he can't/won't shut up about his own sacrifices or thinks he's somehow better than others for having watched a parent die.

It honestly can be very satisfying to see an otherwise normal person rise to the occasion and be a hero without ever feeling like they're giving something up.

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>>49868989
What is a man?

>>49872785
People say so

They were added into the game so that there was actual witcher heavy armor so people base assumptions off of it

>>49884335

The Bear set has swords, not axes. It seems all the Schools taught and used swords for monster-hunting.

This being said if I was going to GM a Witcher game I would totally ignore what established canon we have and some Schools would use other things. Like a double-headed axe (one side silver, one side meteoric steel) for the Bears and paired daggers for the Vipers.

Rule of cool, motherfuckers. Fite me.

So, hypothetical situation:

Via Conjunction shenanigans, the Good Hunter(main character) from Bloodborne ends up in the world of The Witcher.

What happens?

>>49884404

Depends entirely on the personality and identity you've given your Hunter, doesn't it?

>>49884383

Wolf has to stay tried and true

All the other schools even the others in the books are all free game since we never expanded on them

>>49884424
That being said, if they retain any of the shit they gained in the Hunters Dream they'll be something major to contend with.

>>49884041
That's some MKUltra shit. How the fuck are you supposed to know that the new(if it even is new) program won't result in just more homicidal monsters?

>>49873597
>Yes lets get a long list of the men that can kill Alucard.
Abraham Hellsing.

Remember, that's generally who he's referring to when he talks of the virtues of men. He truly admired Abraham for risking his mortal life to save others from him. The whole reason he bound to Integra was because she somehow reminded him of Abraham.

>>49886589
He couldn't kill Alucard, only bind him
>The whole reason he bound to Integra was because she somehow reminded him of Abraham
I prefer to believe Alucard simply has an overwhelming BDSM fetish and just gravitates towards domineering people

>>49874237
>>49883114
It's also good in other ways, with a very detailed setting and many genuinely creative superpowers, especially of the mental variety. The characters seem very much alive, the fight scenes and confrontations feel highly dramatic and the tension just won't stop.

>>49882877
A self-description of /k/?

>>49883579
What about Vilgefortz? Dude gave Geralt a ridiculous trouncing in their first fight

>>49888639
>Vilgefortz
>vilgefortz
>human swordsman

>>49888656
Okay, staff fighter. And how is he not human?

>>49888685
damn dirty mages arent humans

>>49888685
>thinking that mages are human
kek, I hope you will embrace the eternal flame.

>>49865964
i think you are seeing this from the human side only, the word humanity exist because we are the only ones with complex emotions and feelings, if intelligent monsters/aliens appeared then they too could be good or bad and they too would have "humanity" it's just the name that is misleading, making you think that it's a human only attribute.
no matter what you look like or how many limbs and wings you have "humanity" is something that you feel inside and that can be found in any good man/monster/alien so you cant really lose it unless you go evil

>>49888964
If your non-human complex creatures are just humans on the inside, either 1) they're actually bizarro humans so it's okay to call it humanity 2) you're a hack

>>49889062
if you go with all monster are just nasty then it's fine , even if you turn half monster to fight them better so long as you have your mind intact then you still have your humanity, if you go crazy then tough luck

>>49865964
Nah, it isinherently human to acquire lufe shattering power if possible.

You migh have to give up your leisure time though.

>>49888685
He still didn't do his trouncing with the staff fighting, he did it with magic hakz

>>49865996
While I don't dislike the trope itself, I think Bruce Wayne is an awful example.

He could have done far far more good as a well connected billionaire than as a costumed weirdo who punches people.

>>49882877
No need to wring yourself too hard

>>49889062
Pretty much all of the traits called humanity are just effecient behaviors in very large social groups.
Therefore, you can expect humanity from any social tool user.

>>49865964
No. Might happen, but there's no reason it would be a requirement, that'd just be silly and try-hard edgy. Which the Witcher games are every now and then, although not always.

>>49883579
>For the OP, everything like the Witcher code, deadened emotions, and their supposed neutrality is a crock of bullshit. They use them as excuses for what they do, they aren't literally unfeeling, and there's no Witcher code at all

Something which Geralt and Triss mention in literally the first and second books respectively. Geralt admits he made his own code because he found the lack of one unsatisfying, he stays neutral through his own morality and Triss points out when he gets angry in the second book that he claims to be emotionless but really isn't, and it's pointed out that the other witchers are all perfectly normal people.

>>49884166
It's why both batman and superman remain popular

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>>49865964
Sometimes

>>49890897
Oh hey, it's Kaldor Draigo Done right!

>>49890793
So it's basically just Geralt being a self-righteous prick

>>49867243
Never liked that trailer. Pretty much the trailer that lost the plot for the Witcher.

>>49883179
This kinda faggot makes me wish the arabs actually take over so they get to experience true cultural colonialism.

>>49883719
>The company I most wanted to work for
Imagine being a trainee at Troika right before Activision fucked us up.

>>49880509
It never occurred to me before, but Dwarves that become Wardens must be seriously loyal, because it cuts their lifespan by around three quarters.

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>>49884424
>Depends entirely on the personality and identity you've given your Hunter, doesn't it?
MORE
BLOOD

I never liked the trope personally

In Halo games you have Master Chief usually go out of his way to ensure the safety of Marines. Saving them, going on missions alone so they don't have to risk their lives

In Dawn of War II, there is a moment which we see two sides of the argument

On one hand, you have Avitus, who could care less about civilian lifes 'we are the Emperors Angels of Death, not his Angles of Mercy'
On the other hand, you have Thaddeus, who is for saving civilians. Because, once the defenders of humanity have, ya know, done their fucking job, if there is no one left, what the fuck was the point?

Then you have the Witcher, which is an RPG and you are allowed to decide if Garalt is a dick or a hero (although in canon I believe he is a nice guy)

>>49897464

>You are not one of them anymore

>Them...men....Yes I am not quite them anymore

>>49894167
That's rough, buddy.

EA's purchase of BioWare got me to switch from game dev to regular computer science, not that that has proceed a very fulfilling or stable career for me either, mind you.

Currently considering going back to school for a trade.

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>>49865964
Becoming the monster used to fight other monsters is for those of us who were never really human in the first place.

So you go on and be the hero. You save the day while they point me at the thing they need dead and hope it takes me with it.

It's all I was ever good for.

If I may be a pretentious cunt for a moment
In my setting, people turn them selves into Golems to become living weapons (A-la Dragon Age)
How ever these Golems have free will and generally able to live normal lives off the battle field. Its not a perfect process mind you... think of it as akin to cybernetic Augmentation in the new Dues Ex
Some people get it because they want to (immortality and what not)
Some people get it because they signed on the dotted line before reading the paper

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>>49865964
Who could be behind this post, I wonder?

>>49888639

He's a mage. Mages fuck with their bodies, sometimes to a ridiculous extent.

While he didn't stand around throwing fireballs and shit it's entirely probable that Vilgefortz sped up his reflexes, cognition, and so on.

Either way we're talking about there being /maybe/ two people who could take on a Witcher who actually isn't that much better than the average for his kind.

Geralt's not regarded as a living legend because he can shit stomp better than other Witchers. He's legendary because he got involved in shit others are smart enough to stay out of and because Dandilion made him famous.

>>49891418

Not entirely. As he points out at one stage, people respect others who have and abide by a code. And all Witchers do it. It's branding, basically.

>>49889232

In the stories where they actually pay attention to his motivation and resources he actually does this. Shit like dressing up as a bat and punching criminals in the night then giving them a job the following morning so they won't need to turn to crime to support themselves any more.

Granted with so many decades of continuity and writers like WHORESWHORESWHORES ARE YOU RETARDED Miller this characterisation is all over the fucking place.

>>49866036
>said recruits weren't exactly given a choice in the matter too.
Marines are not guardsmen, each candidate is an volunteer who passed numerous trials and testings to prove himself worthy.

>>49901874
>Not entirely. As he points out at one stage, people respect others who have and abide by a code. And all Witchers do it. It's branding, basically.
And yet the hate persists

>>49902354

Well, here's the thing.

How well-regarded are exterminators these days? Not exactly a profession that kids say they want in the future, unlike doctors or police men or astronauts.

Couple that with them being wanderers who show up when it's convenient for /them/ rather than when the monster in the woods ate the first village kid (it's now up to twelve kids, five cows, and three adults) but will only kill the whatever it is that's doing it for literally all the money you've made in the past six months they're not exactly going to be welcomed.

Especially not when you're pretty sure they're banging your daughter because she knows they've had a hundred years of practice with teh sexXxings, are sterile, and will be gone soon so why not have some fun before settling hard and marrying that slack-jawed squinting dirt farmer who's the last person in the village you aren't already cousins with.

>>49901874
>a Witcher who actually isn't that much better than the average for his kind.

That's odd, the witcher RPG implies that he's very much an extremely talented witcher (In it's attempt to allow non-witchers and witchers to work together)

>>49902477
I know out of the wolf school Eskel and Vesemir are both supposed to be better than him. Eskel's bio reads like he's some kind of alternate dimension Geralt where all the good stuff went wrong

>>49902442
I never got the whole women like to fuck witchers thing. They look like death and the rumors mark them as a bunch of borderline sociopaths that revel in death, spread disease and all manner of terrible shit. Your average peasant girl wold veer away simply from the shame associating with one would bring

>>49902505
Are you implying women (or people in general) choose their sexual partners reasonably?

All the girl sees, the uneducated girl who spent her entire life surrounded by the same fifty bumpkins, is a shredded dude who kills stuff that wants to kill her.

Granted, it's a silly trope, and one that's only really prevalent in the Witcher 1, but it does make some amount of sense that a few she-peasants would get the hots for a passing witcher.

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>>49902490

It's kinda difficult to explain. The best analogy I can come up with is a DnD 3.5 one.

Eskel and Vesemir are both higher-level, but Geralt is playing with a custom (and extremely unbalanced) racial template that gives him massive attribute bonuses which effectively push his dice rolls above theirs in every way that matters.

Geralt would mop the floor with either of them in a 1 v 1 because he's faster, stronger, and has a more stamina. But in terms of stuff like combat technique, Eskel and Vesemir are superior. Their skill levels and BAB aren't enough to make up for the attribute bonuses Geralt is using though.

>>49902505

In the novels they look a bit odd, mostly because of the cat's eye mutation. They only look really pale and generally horrific if they're tripping balls on a potion of some kind. Otherwise they're maybe a bit pale and scarred.

Aside from the spreading disease thing- and it's actually wide-spread knowledge in the setting that Witchers neither spread nor carry disease due to their mutations- the rest of it plays into your standard wandering bad boy your parents would disapprove of tropes. With the added benefit of the girl knowing there's no risk of pregnancy.

>>49902754

Present in the novels too.

It's one of the quests I liked in the third game, there's some fuckwit who found a Wolf medallion and took advantage of the rep of Witchers to wander and bang randos, except this time he's in over his head because he had a fling with the village chieftain's daughter and took a contract on necrophages he's in no way prepared to fight.

You can either call him on his bullshit and get him lynched by the villagers or make up some story about how any Witcher who needs the help of another has to bury their medallion, give up the trade forever, and work for the village for a year to pay off their debt for being such a fuck-up. And then the villagers are like "Oooh, a Witcher, clearly they could do the work of two men!"

>>49865964
Yes. Or else it would not be thematically interesting.

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>>49865964
Not necessarily, but while the theme HAS been done to death in modern fiction, it can still be done well.
Take 'Mercy vs Justice' -- both are worthy 'humanist' aspects, and encompass the inherently ""human"" traits of sympathy/empathy, and law/rationality, respectively. It has been argued, however, that mercy for the guilty/condemned comes at the expense of justice for the victim.
So which trait is more essential to your 'humanity'? And with which choice are you willing to expend?
AND Is trying to remain ambivalent arguably the most inhumane choice, as you do away with human rationalism and pathos almost entirely?
Or be like The Witcher, and LITERALLY be a mutant