It makes no sense futuristic military equipment is an oversized

>>49861770
>It makes no sense
Welcome to 40k, now shut the fuck up and enjoy the madness.

>>49861770
What do you not get about the archaeotech aspects of 40k?

>>49861770
the emperor loves you

>what is rule of cool

>>49861770
>it constantly tries to reduce the weight and size of everything
Then why modern soldiers carry more wight than medieval knights?

knife
same as chainsaw sword
ok

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Feels like summer. Nothing but wall to wall shitposting going on here.

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The answer to your question, my dear OP (the sucker of dicks), is that Space Marines eat brains to gain the memories of their enemy.

>>49861835
*weight

> it constantly tries to reduce the weight and size of everything

It does, they turned a tank into a suit of armor.

>>49861835
M16 is being replaced by M4 for a reason.

>>49861850
>combi-autogun
>for guardsmen

Guys, the magos has filled his coolant system with ethanol again.

>>49861993
>anon doesn't remember when Guard could get combi-bolters and storm bolters for infantry
>vets could take bolters instead of special weapons

So many models now useless...

>>49861835
Because military leadership feels that weighing ten pounds less means you can carry twenty pounds more

>>49862181
>combi-bolter
A twin linked bolter, then?

>>49861850
Didn't they eventually ditch the OICW project specifically because it was too heavy to be practical?

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>>49861770
read the last paragraph

this question has been answered since before you were born

>>49862548
More like "too impractical to be practical" in general. Nothing about it was. It was a prime mess designed to and presumably for armchair generals under the philosophy that MORE FEATURES=GOODER. It was heavy, it was unwieldy, it was hell to maintain, it would constantly break down, and it was so complex to operate most of the time you didn't even get to benefit from all the gadgets.

>>49862584
They did break it in two and made the XM-8 rifle and XM-25 grenade launcher.

>>49861835
Because modern soldiers are carrying a lot of supplies with them.
Knights were only carrying their weapons and armors, everything else was left in the camp and carried by horse / peasant between battles.

>>49861835
>Then why modern soldiers carry more wight than medieval knights?

Because they've reduced the amount of weight needed for a soldier that a single person can carry it, instead of having a second or even third horse just to carry your gear like Knights had.

Also, modern soldiers have to carry both ammunition and specialist gear that Knights never really had to carry.

>>49861770
>And Space Marines being such a massive target

Big things are scary in close combat, which is where a Space Marine is ultimately supposed to be.

Size is as much a weapon as everything else. Big things can take more damage and are harder to push over than small things are, when made of the same material (i.e. flesh and bone).

There are people on this board who don't get that 40k is satirical

>>49862709
xm-8 got ditched because the plastics were melting during testing. Woulda been a great rifle if HK used the same plastics they do on the G36 series.
XM-25 is in field testing now. Soon to see full deployment.

>>49861770
>modern military it constantly tries to reduce the weight and size of everything

Yeah, which is why trucks are becoming massive armoured behemoths and tanks are as big as Nazi-German wonder weapons.

>>49863383
Even if it wasn't OP is just being stupid, marine power armour is as form fitting as you could expect it to be given what it is.

>>49863314
That's why we send roided up soldiers with machetes constantly the terrorists are like ''oh fuck they are so scary I forgot how my gun works!'' while the soldiers butcher them to the sound of Linkin Park

>ITT: OP who has never read any substantial 40k fluff calls the setting ridiculous

>>49861770
>It makes no sense GW model design of the late 80s created oversized slabs of shit
Are you sure about that, OP?

>>49863431
If a soldier dropped from space wearing armour they could not effectively defeat firing a full auto grenade launcher they would probably be pretty put out. Especially when he just starts picking people up and breaking them like toys.

>>49861770
It's almost like the conditions, combat environments, enemy threats, technological understanding, available resources, and military culture are all completely fucking different for a galaxy spanning empire 38,000 years in the future in a reality where many conflicts are against bulletproof axe wielding brutish fungus aliens, ridiculously fast moving clawed bulletproof bug aliens, and literal daemons from hell.

>>49861770
Are you fucked? A field radio alone weighs like 40lbs. Realistically the reason you try to reduce size and weight isn't to make a soldier more comfortable or to make it look sharper, you do it so he can carry more shit and therefore be more effective.

A Space Marine's main job is to drop in an orbital pod on top of an enemy position and loudly murder everything in sight. His equipment needs to be able to handle that. It can. Therefore it meets it's design criteria and to make it smaller and lighter would only be a good thing if it actually made it more effective, which it almost certainly wouldn't. An Imperial Guardsman on the other hand doesn't look a whole lot dissimilar to a modern soldier, except he's missing the 120 lbs worth of kit we would carry on our back so he's actually lighter.

A space marine is a huge, heavily armoured and virtually indestructable to anyone on foot. The bulk means they get hit easily, but it also means they dont care. Their guns are huge because they need one of the few things that CAN kill a space marine. Imagine a tank designed for close combat.

>>49861984
Because engagement range is shorter, and it's more effective in close quarters. The goal is never to change weight so that a soldier carries less, it's to reduce weight so you can put more on the soldier. Great his weapon weighs 4 lbs less, let's put 6lbs worth of other gear onto him. I carry a lighter rifle than a ww2 soldier, but my fully kitted rucksack and fighting order weighs almost as much as his entire body.

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it should be literally impossible for anyone with a working set of eyes or the equivalent to miss hitting something like this

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>>49863637
Seriously, all this over loading of the soldier in US military is the height of stupidity. It's only done to really line the pockets of the war industry. And because of all the kick backs the military gets it won't change anytime soon.
I'm guessing most guys dump half that shit somewhere the first chance they get.

>>49861770
Having a weapon that isn't as tough as the armor is quickly going to leave you without a weapon. Weight also helps dealing with the recoil of a .75 caliber shell.

>>49861770

The logistical aspects of the Space Marines has to do with their dual genesis.

Physically and thematically they are fantasy knights. They are a special warrior class, and in some sources normies in the Imperium even refer to individual Marines as "my lord". Sometimes they're paladins, like the Fists. Or they're "dark knights" like the DAngels. Other chapters are knights with hats on, like how the Scars are Knights but Mongols, or the Wolves are Knights but Vikings. That's why they look like that.

But they're also based on the Mobile Infantry from the original Starship Troopers novels. Those guys were not soldiers as we understand them. They were mobile weapons platforms. They jumped out of space ships to blow shit up. They weren't meant to hide behind cover, or do any of what modern day soldiers do. And single Mobile Infantryman is infantry, armored cavalry, and air support all rolled into one highly trained and well-equipped individual. Which is what a Space Marine is. That's why "Reasonable Marines" is such a contradiction to the actual combat role of a Space Marine. If you want operators operating operationally, then make up your own Guard regiment.

They're a marriage of fantasy and science fiction, planted in a world which does very much the same thing across all fronts.

>>49862580
This, that's the end of the thread.

>>49861770
>Implying necrons or tau are practical or realistic.

>>49861770
You are the autist if you think that W40k try to be the real future of humanity.
Anyway you should compare actual troops with the GI not the space marines.

>>49863431
Sounds like black templars alright

>>49863993
Didn't MI suffer huge casualities? I wonder if it has anything to do with the whole not using cover thing...

>>49864119
It's because the Bugs outnumbered them 1000-to-1, and the Bugs were an actual spacefaring race with plasma weapons

>>49864119

They only started suffering those casualties when they invaded the Arachnid homeworld with poor planning and poorer understanding of the way the Bugs worked. Against the Skinnies they tended to kick ass. By the end of the book, they understood the Arachnids better and were suffering less casualties.

Rico once mentions the death of one MI man at the cost of a thousand Bugs was still a net victory for the Bugs.

>>49863847
>Seriously, all this over loading of the soldier in US military is the height of stupidity.

Well I'm not American so there's that

>It's only done to really line the pockets of the war industry.

Nice fedora shit, please take it somewhere else.

>I'm guessing most guys dump half that shit somewhere the first chance they get.

Yep first chance I get I'm going to drop the ammo I need to fire from my weapon, the water I need to live, my sleeping bag, the trench tools, extra ammo for the GPMG, my body armour, and hope I didn't need and of it, nobody noticed me dropping it, and that I won't have to answer for any of it once I'm back at the base.

God I hope you're better at high school than imagining what the military is like.

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>>49861770
>I mean look at modern military it constantly tries to reduce the weight and size of everything

>And Space Marines being such a massive target makes me wonder how can they even win any battle against Crons or Tau.

Sheer force of numbers, specialists in every form of combat, magical "fuck you" healing and superhuman strength/constitution, and magical "fuck you" shielding to be extremely general.

Out of all the shit in 40k's ridiculous and cartoonish universe you could have choosen, you chose the Imps. Not the group that makes physics defying thought a reality simply by having alot of them thinks thats true at once, not the group that are literally space-elves that brought a god into existence just from being REALLY kinky, then theres the warp in itself which come on, not the group of edgy has-beens that can teleport back tens of lightyears just because they got a boo-boo seconds, and the list goes fucking on. Out of all of that, out of all those listed and even more that were not, you chose the group that just has really bulky power armor.

Stop being silly.

>>49861770

Because Warhams is mostly based on a silly 80ties heavy metal culture /thread.

>>49864253
YOU. CAN'T. /thread. YOUR. OWN. FUCKING. POST. YOU. GODDAMN. NEWFAG.
RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>49864253

>>49864381 rage aside, typing /thread on your own post really is like high fiving yourself

>>49861770
It's a tabletop game with lots of tiny figures. Every part of a figure that has a game mechanic associated has to be visible from across the table. The in-universe explanation is secondary.

>>49864105
>black templars

PUUUURGING WIIIITH MY KIIN!

>>49862548
Yes.

We got the XM25 out of it, though, so it's all good.

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>>49861770(you)
The Astartes have about 10X the strength of a normal human
that and the armour literally moves itself please kys autist.

>>49866174
Since 40k takes place in the far future, would shit like Linkin Park be considered classical? Like a group of Imperial nobles are sitting around in their super high culture parties, dick measuring over who knows the most lyrics to a Miley Cyrus song

>>49861835

Funny, because when everything is lower weight and lighter as it is today, we jam more shit so we can carry more.

Absolutely retarded.

Brass should be shot in the nuts

>>49866299
almost everything that existed 15 thousand years in the future is forgotten by them

there's literally nothing like that in the 41st millennium

>>49863431
i would watch this movie

>>49863993
/thread.

>>49863383

I read a report at some point stating that the XM8s plastic melted from contact with DEET insect repellant.

>>49866234
buh-but it's so big!

>>49863847
I must of carried 200 pounds of shit in the army. It ranged from the useless to the the useful but I would never drop half that stuff unless I needed to run.

>>49862584
Nothing ruins a good design like the feature bloat.

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>>49861993

>>49869264
For you

>>49869328
godfuckingdamnit

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>>49861770

>>49862548
yeah.
but hope is not lost, I heard other nations are building their own OICW projects.

>>49863695
Much like a tank, the purpose is not to be difficult to hit, but to be difficult to damage.

>>49862548
It was scrapped because it didnt deliver on the premise that you could kill people behind cover with it. The grenades were less than lethal due to the small size and couldnt project killing power to targets out of line of sight.

>>49861770
>modern military it constantly tries to reduce the weight and size of everything
That's because modern militaries don't have the benefit of portable fusion, so they can't focus on adding to the protective aspects. The real-world soldier has to carry their own armor, in 40k it's called POWER armor for a reason. If they could power and move the shit with no problems, there would be no drive to reduce weight.

>>49870110
The moment you mention fusion you break the logic of 40k. You dont need space marines in that universe, you need thermonuclear weapons and lots of them.

>>49869602
He couldn't hit a target from 50 yards with that stunt.

>>49861770
Because 40K is not meant to be a realistic setting. It's not an internally consistent setting either.

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>>49864201

>Not dropping your trench tools the first chance you get

Digging in is for fagets, hasty harbours all the way my mane

>>49861770
ITT OP is an overweight slab of shit with no fucking knowledge of 40k fluff ever.

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>>49861770
It's absurdist british dystopian scifi. If you can't get that it's supposed to be unrealistic and impractical you should purge yourself.

>>49869602
>>49870192
Is ISIS every neckbeards wet dream? Running around with guns and swords looking like a ninja, raping women where they stand because you can, young girls leave their sheltered homes in the west just to marry you for looking all ninja like in a video.
Fuck, why can't we have a crusade anymore?

>>49861770
The same reason crons got insta kill weapons and literal immortality but can somehow lose a battle.

>>49861770
Tau and crons are super duper rare though. Even for space marines.

And when they do its the same as going up against eldar. They are super fucking nimble so good luck landing a hit.

>>49870143
>you need thermonuclear weapons and lots of them.
They have those, and do use them as much as is necessary, sometimes more than necessary, how do you think Krieg became a radioactive husk of a planet?

>>49870338
> insta kill weapons
only if they get through the armor

>literal immortality
That is the reaosn why they can, they teleport badly damaged Necron bodies away so the enemy can not get them. If the enemy is strong enough to force them to do that for a large part of their forces - better pull out.
Necrons can not replenish their losses after all.

Also there's ammo that keeps them from teleporting away.

>>49870322
The same thing that drives normal people to suicide and in most extreme cases,school shooting, drives muslims to ISIS

>>49870143
Thermo nuclear weapons make the won area useless.

Sending a couple of Marines to take out the enemy strong point keeps the area intact for later use.

>>49870522
Only partly, those with a death wish rather do suicide bombings.
Those brainwashed by wahabitic teachings tend to end up with the grunts.

There's also the third option, you want to do a school shooting or amok run anyway? Make a cool jihadi vid, send it to ISIS. After you did it they publish it, so you did totally die as holy warrior and not just comnit suicide in a dickish way.
It's cheap, decentral, makes the /pol/aks do the most work for ISIS with their hysteria and gives ISIS dank PR.
It also gives the "free" western nations more food for their wet dreams of police state hood.

Whoever thought this out was a genius.

>>49861835
>>49866325

It's based on the concepts of the reforms made by Gaius Marius in the 2nd century BC, eliminating supply train bloat by making legionaries carry their own gear and equipment.

>>49870508
>only if they get through the armor

Which they can do easily. Gauss weapons have been seen to blast through marine armor like it was made of vapor.

>Necrons can not replenish their losses after all.

Actually, Necrons can. Much easily and more effectively than other factions. Heck, they got the Tyranids beat on that regard.

Quantum Network + Canoptek Scarabs = potentially infinite number of Necrons and their wargear.

>Also there's ammo that keeps them from teleporting away.

Discovered at the dead end of the setting timeline and used twice. It's not relevant at all in 99% of the Necron wars against the Imperium.

>>49870595
No its not, its based on the fact that when doing foot patrols you can't just have a humvee carry all your crap.

Mechanised infantry carry less gear on their person for precisely this reason.

>>49862546
>he doesn't play HH or chaos
>laughingalphalegionares.jpg

>>49870644

Which is exactly-...

I mean, a Humvee is just a modern mule/horse analogue.

>>49864201
You imbecile, read any of Afghan war memoirs. Such as Brandon Webb's "The Red Circle" - guess what, first thing he does on combat patrol is dropping useless shit given to him, such as 20 lbs bulletproof vest, and most of his rations. Other guys in his unit decide to tough it out and march with the gear, only to be half dead after 10 km (and we're talking about fucking US army elite here, not grunts) while Webb is still fresh. In the end, they dump their crap too. As Webb said, in the mountains you have so much cover and you exert yourself so much bulletproof vest is useless, and so is mountain of ammo they were issued seeing US armed forces waste so much money on keeping the planes in the air 24/7 that the soldiers don't need to win firefights, they only need to pin enemy down and wait 2 min on rain of 250 kg bombs.

So, yeah, turn off fantasies, you cretin, and go read that shit if you're literate. That guy was perfectly right, 60% of crap US army soldier carries is there to line pockets of someone with connections, or because officers in the cooled office who didn't walked the field in 40 years deemed it 'necessary, just in case'. The result - mountains of wasted money and hundreds of thousands of young men with damaged spines...

>>49870691
You are missing the point.

They don't carry that much to 'eliminate supply train bloat', its carried because its stuff they need on them or they are going places where you cannot take vehicles.

>>49870743
You think body armour and FOOD are there to 'line pockets'? You are a fucking idiot. What about all the situations that aren't week long foot patrols in mountains? What about all the lives saved by body armour?

>>49870799
>he doesn't have subdermal plating
Get on my level chummer

>>49862709
>They did break it in two and made the XM-8 rifle and XM-25 grenade launcher.

Basic concepts were also adopted in the Mk 47 Striker grenade launcher (which fires 40mm grenades, so you still have killing power when replacing some of the charge w/ complicated electronics)

>>49861984
Wow, a whole 4 inches of barrel is going to make a huge difference on the 97-135 lbs being carried

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>>49861770
The armor perdy much moves itself and the is a semi automatic armor piercing rocket propelled grenade launcher.

Besides the warhammer art style is based on the covers of 80s metal albums.

>>49870523
>Thermo nuclear weapons make the won area useless.

Which is why Hiroshima and Nagasaki are uninhabited wastelands now.

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>>49870926
Talking about pic related, which is just the OICW without the XM8 part.

>>49870612
necron warrior can expect to down a marine with about the same number of shots a marine would down a marine

they dont really replenish, they just have so many warriors that they dont feel bad about losing them, and they self repair so well they dont lose that many, although warriors have enough value that you can use them as currency among overlords

>>49872709
We have art of Marines getting blasted by Flayers with one shot as if they got plama'ed.

While the Black Templar state that bolters are not effective against Necrons (Source is Gods of Mars).

>they dont really replenish, they just have so many warriors that they dont feel bad about losing them

Actually, via the Quantum Network, Necrons can store the minds of fallen Necrons. Later they can be clothed in Necrodermis later. The problem is that the Quantum Network is not completely functional due to sleeping tomb worlds and dynastic firewalls.

Also they can always produce False Necrons. It was shown that Necrontyr animus is not needed to run Necron bodies. True AI is more than capable of piloting Necron bodies.

>>49872817
Here is the related text.

>>Every necron, from the lowliest of scarabs maintaining the tombs to the exalted lordship of Great Imotekh himself, carried in their braincase a communion link. The device allowed signalling over near-infinite distances, the ability to transmit data instantly through the arcane control of quantum entanglement phenomena.

>Khaygis knew of some lesser species that spoke of ethereal cords connecting their physical forms in the real world with their spiritual ones in the phantasmal. That was idiocy, of course, but the Stargods had gifted the necrontyr with many technologies when they embraced biotransference, and this link was one of them, a near-literal expression of that mystical ideal. Each necron was connected in part or in whole to an invisible network that spanned the galaxy, broken only by lines of dynasty and fealty. When their physical structures suffered critical levels of damage, it was the quantum link that was the means by which their digital consciousness and their damaged forms were reeled back to the closest World Engine or Tomb Planet.

>>49872817
a necron warrior has enough armor to tank a bolter, so that is pretty consistent

while space marine armor should be proof against gauss flayers normally, the gauss rule means that when armor does fail, it fails catastrophically

>>49872633
Those weren't thermonuclear. They were relatively small-yield fission bombs.

>>49861770
Given the need to fight in all kinds of interplanetary enviroments that would kill even a well-protected man, in addition to the power of weapons used and the horrible tendency of all xenos to engage in CQC, space marine as an idea is perfectly valid.

Endurance, strength, stamina, power and armor fielded by space marines are entirely reasonable when fighting big green aliens on top of an asteroid amidst space debris. I'd struggle the Guard do just as good of a job if they had to do the same ( and I know that there exist void-capable regiments).

>>49872986
The larger yield comes from the bombs using their material more efficiently, not from having loads more nuclear material in them.

I might be completely wrong, but all I've read would suggest thermonuclear bombs are "cleaner" than regular atomic fission bombs, since more material is used, thus the amount of material left unused is smaller, thus less of it is left behind in the form of nuclear fallout.

>>49861770
> triggered over the size of fictional weapons
> calls 40k autistic

Bless this post

>>49873159
Cleaner they are, but the vast amount of dust generated by a larger explosion still causes massive fallout. However we can likely assume that 40000 years into the future they have created even cleaner bombs.

Then again if you want to wipe a planet clean and still be able to move in like half an hour later, 40k had already the solution.
It's called life eater virus, it's a biological agent that kills all unprotected life on a planet in a matter of minutes (hours?), and then kills itself. It leaves only non-organic matter, reducing anything living to an organic sludge.

They should use that one more.

>>49873872
>massive fallout

Which has less radioactive material in it.

>we can likely assume that 40000 years into the future they have created even cleaner bombs.

Doubt it. Krieg was subject to 500 years of nuclear cleansing and it's a wasteland now.

>>49874168
Well, 500 years of nuclear war would cause much more fallout than a single instance of wiping the planet clean.

But as I said, life eater is much better for that.

>>49870743
>So, yeah, turn off fantasies, you cretin, and go read that shit if you're literate
>I've read a book on how one retard in Afghanistan one time dropped extra food and his body armour and now I know all there is to know about how the military works.

>Other guys in his unit decide to tough it out and march with the gear, only to be half dead after 10 km (and we're talking about fucking US army elite here, not grunts)

God I must be a fucking animal then because I've made 10k marches before wearing all that shit too and I'm not even infantry.

>>49873872
>Draw Nid's into massive battle of attrition to take a planet.
>After they've exhausted a huge portion of their biomass and are relying on victory to replenish simply withdraw and wipe out all the existing biological matter leaving them nothing in the ultimate scorched earth
>????
>Profit

>>49863993
>They weren't meant to hide behind cover, or do any of what modern day soldiers do.

I feel like people should try and remember this.

>>49861770
>Overthinking the thread

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>>49873872
>>49873872
Good plan, except viruses and diseases of any kind feed Father Nurgle, Every bacteria, virus and, decaying cell, gives power to Grandfather Nurgle, adding up on a cosmic scale.
Feel free toe njoy more zombies and plagues popping up somewhere when you use that, foolish loyalist.

>>49861770
Because the Bolter is a weapon designed to be as simple and robust as possible and to be wielded by a superhuman who also happens to be wearing a light tank.

>They could have used super light composite materials in its construstion, but then it might have broken if it's ever used to beat a mothefucker about the head until dead. Better use thick slabs metal in its construstion instead.
>They could have installed intricate recoil compensation to make it kick as hard as an enraged gnat, but that could fail in combat and increased production time. Let's trust in the superhuman tank man to compensate with that.

At the time the bolter was put into service a fair percentage of the total output of Fucking MARS was devoted to equipping the Legion Astares, and they still had to simplify things to meet production quotas.

>>49861770
Sure you aren't the autistic one for letting a sci fi TT game annoy you?

Having said that, they may be bigger targets but they can still react and move much faster than any modern day military while carrying significantly better armour and weapons

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>>49861770
This isn't 40k (and admittedly I know very little abour 40k) but I think Halo solves this problem in a very plausible and understandable way. Much like 40k's Space Marines, Halo's Spartans also wear incredibly heavy armor, yet Master Chief and other Spartans are able to run around as if they were wearing nothing at all (nothing at alll, nothing at all) and even flip over tanks. How? Are all Spartans simply living gods?

The answer lies in their armor, which is neurologically connected to the brain (via the brainstem, I think). The armor can recieve signals from the brain, move at the "speed of thought" (citing the manual from the first game here) and predict the movements of the wearer and accomodate for them. In other words, if a Spartan lifts his leg he doesn't have to lift his entire armor along with it but the contrary: the armor itself moves along with the leg.

It's not beyond credibility that 40k's Space Marine armor works the same way. This would allow Space Marines to opt for the thickest, heaviest armor because weight becomes a non-issue: the armor literally moves itself. When the defense-mobility dichotomy is gone, you can go all-out on defense.

>>49876412
>It's not beyond credibility that 40k's Space Marine armor works the same way

m8 the whole concept of power armour it's pretty much about that. Space marines have an organ exclusively designed for interfacing with the armour

>>49876412
That's pretty much how SM armor works, yeah. The Black Carapace links with the marines nevous system and the armor moves in concert with the marine himself.

>>49876370
Source on this was Prospero Burns by the way. Second or third chapter.

>>49876291
>loyalist
Good going revealing my master plan...

I don't think some people understand just how scary a 7 foot man you cannot kill moving at superhuman speed would be.

Especially when he drops from the sky inside your defences and starts slaughtering people.

>>49878320
Superhuman speed my ass nothing in any vidya I played indicates they are any faster than a regular Joe the Jogger.

>>49878493
>video game

Who cares? Space marines have superhuman speed and reflexes.

>>49861770
Weight is not a issue given how the armor moves itself. Also looked at the size of a space marine without armor. They are still bigger, than a guardsman in armor. I guess we should tell the space marines to go to battle without armor since they'll be smaller targets that way, because going against robot with physic defying guns and blue alien communist with guns that shoot projectiles hot enough to melt armor is the best idea ever.

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>>49878493

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>>49861770
You have to consider the relative sizes of the different forces working in the 40k universe. That gun in your OP pic is basically like a carbine assault rifle or beefy smg. Most space marines are huge by human standards, but compare nearly 1:1 to other things like light power suit Tau or Orkz.

The fact that humans run around being tiny by comparison isn't enough for them to radically alter their equipment designs or try to downsize their bodies. Humans are just useful sidekicks for them, similar to the way women and children can be useful supplementary forces in certain aspects of warfare.

>>49861770
Mostly it's because oversized weapons (and heads) make for easier identification when playing games with small miniatures on a large table.

>>49870009
France already have operational prototype of FELIN gear. It's reputed heavy but sounds like it works. Can't say for other country tho.

>>49875941
>Tyranid hivemind register the information and quickly evolve to be immune to it. Or worse, turn it against humanity.
Yeah, no.

>>49879539
They're ability to evolve seems to be on a more macro sense though.

>First hive fleet makes a beeline for one planet and engages in a single decisive battle and loses.
>Next hive fleet hits a hundred planets at once and gets destroyed albeit more slowly and with much difficulty
>One after that hits from underneath and tries some other tricky shit

I get the feeling though that a specific weapon would take longer to immunize against, and has limitations. You can't exactly evolve beyond a powerfist splatting you like a fly swatter, or a flamethrower setting you on fire, I'm sure some super virus that simply destroys biological matter on contact would be tricky to neutralize.

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>>49862548
lots of good answers but nobody saying what I think should be the most obvious. theres no way they're gonna invest that much money into the average dumbfuck from rural nebraska that barely got his GED before joining the Army because he had no other prospects.

source- I saw a lot of people that were dumber than a bag of rocks being entrusted with expensive shit while I was in

>>49861770
What is it with OPs trying to bash 40k with threads so basic that they boil down to read the fluff before you post about it?

>>49861901
underrated comment

>>49861993
Aren't there attachable underslung Grenade Launchers, Flamers, and shotguns for Lasguns in the fluff?

I could of sworn they were in Dark Heresy (I haven't played many RPG's)

>>49870572
Al-Qaeda was all about old school, top-down, elite management of a few highly trained people.

IS figured out Uber terrorism. Enough idiots with occasional assistance for big things. While building up their self-driving cars (occupied territories) which would out-compete those.

>>49875941
Tyranids don't rely on victory to replenish, they're constantly replenishing groundside the entire time the fight is happening.

Also what part of "the virus breaks down all organic matter into organic sludge" seems like it would prevent Tyranids from just, thanking you for predigesting their food and sucking up all that sludge?

Not to mention Tyranids themselves are immune to viruses.

>>49879539
They have literally done both things more than once in the fluff. Not with that specific virus but with others.

>>49875941
This is a tactic used by the imperium. However they only have so many planets they can spare, and often have to sacrifice a huge number of their own men to accomplish this, it usually slows the hive fleet more than anything.

>>49875941
Life eater virus might annoy the nids for a day or so, but they will adapt to it pretty fast, they can adapt to a magical space plague created by the literal god of disease so they can adapt to that, and if it does leave an organic sludge then the nids will happily wolf it down

>>49886330
Life Eater virus always comes followed by global fire from some ship firing at the planet. Tyrannids better start farming CO2 if they want to get something out of it.

>>49886496
They do? They take ALL the planets gases and trillions of tonnes of earth and minerals and all the oceans

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>>49884204
>thanking you for predigesting their food and sucking up all that sludge?
they ignite the atmosphere and burn off all the biological sludge

it's a two-stage thing against the nids

>>49861784
fpbp

>>49886733
>Planet is actually called tetris
Hahahah

>>49867315
Yet characters quote ancient poets and ideological concepts and other shit like that all the time in the 40k books.

>>49861770
Sit down anon.

40k......is retarded. I'm sorry I have to be he one to tell you this.

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>>49861770
> I don't like large hams
Okay

>>49861770
Its just space fantasy bro. Not rivet counting, history channel fapping historical.

Stay chill.

>>49861770
This is excellent bait, but I'll humour you. Mankind in the 40k darkness has undergone multiple technological Dark Ages. They have gotten to the point where they are a) using antiquated tech and b) don't even understand said tech. I hope this answers the question of why everything has to be "autistic" as you so wonderfully put it: because they're a backward, regressive civilisation.