What is the strongest threat that a mob of peasants could defeat

>>49840569
T W O C A N O N S

>>49840531
That depends on the number of peasants. I'd say for your average mob of about 25-30 people, a challenge rating 3-4 would be the most they could handle without scattering.

>>49840531

A troll, whose relatively high threat rating is mitigated by a fear of and weakness to fire.

>>49840531
It's a mob. Someone is bound to get lucky and stab a bitch in the eyes or burn a grimoire.

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>>49840531
I shit you not it happens in the actual lore.

>>49840531
>What is the strongest threat that a mob of peasants could defeat with the Ol' "Pitchforks and Torches" method?

A Vampire.

>>49840531
How big is this angry mob, a mob made up of something like 4 billion people would be able to kill pretty much anything while a mob of like 10 people would only be able to get some smaller to average sized monsters

>>49840531
A colossal Hay Golem

>>49840636
If your question is mechanics-wise, it heavily depends on game and edition. In 5e bounded accuracy/AC makes it possible to mob dragons, while in 3.5 they can't get through AC and DR.
This is ignoring other abilities of dragons, though.

>>49840619

How the fuck did it happen ?

>>49840730
I want to know as well. Someone post some fluff?!

>>49840636
but only a small part of 4 billion can surround you at any given time, and threats strong enough can beat that easily. rinse and repeat.

and if the threat can level, then with 4 billions peasants, even if every peasant was worth 1xp any threat in any game would level up to godlike status during the fight and be actually unstoppable.

>>49840792
Well, most beings need to rest and sleep at some point. And there's of course the possibility of burying your opponent under a mountain of corpses too, I think you're underestimating the weight of 4 billion peasants.

>>49840531
If the entire able bodied population of a village, say 90-110 peasants, most with torches and pitchforks, some with spears and bows (common hunting tools) were to go up against any number of threats, they could probably put a dent in it. A smaller foe would be trouble because they'd have less ability to maneuver around it and entrap it. A larger threat, though, they can surround better. Keep in mind, pitchforks and spears are reach weapons, so if you've got those guys a square back, plus an immediate surrounding of guys with clubs and torches and sickles and machetes:
for a Medium foe that's 25 flanking enemy attack actions
for a Large foe that's 32 flanking enemy attack actions
for a Huge foe that's 40 flanking enemy attack actions

Past that, typical medium humanoids can pass through the foe's occupied squares, meaning that the even larger number of flanking attack actions (48 is as far as I got, I don't know what it would be for colossal) are in addition to the 16 guys inside your squares attacking you as they please. Which raises an even more pressing question as to whether you can flank from inside someone's space. I feel like this is something that would have come up, but I've never had to deal with it. Did the errata or the rules wizards ever cover that?

Anyways, this is a mob of 20-50 generally average people who are all using weapons they're proficient with and who are getting flanking bonuses against you, plus however many of them are armed with ranged weapons. Sure, it's the mother of all melees they're firing into and they probably didn't want to invest two feats into precise shot... though, on the upside, they're humans so at least they might have the opportunity. Speaking of opportunity, probability suggests that every round between 1 and 2 enemies flanking you is threatening a crit.

In other words, anything that doesn't have an area of effect attack.

>>49840824
level-ups replenish health and energy/mana/whatever, no? anyway in many systems they do
and if you put enough points into crit, you will crit often, and crits tear enemies to shreds, so there's nothing to bury you under

Their fears
..though most likely not the source of those fears

>>49840857
In vidya. I personally don't know TTRPG system where leveling up restores your hp/wounds/whatever.

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>>49840531

>>49840730
>>49840741

Siege of Vraks. Sniper couldn't snipe plot armoured arch heretic, got chased down by planetary mob.

>>49840973
>setting
>not system

>>49840857
You could do it that way, but as far as I know no RPG says that specifically. I think older editions of D&D said that PCs need to sleep or train to actually gain the benefits of leveling up.

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>>49840531

depends on setting and system.

generally: a lot

>>49840857
What kind of shit-tier GM lets you level-up DURING the fight?

>>49842860
Whoah now let's not overestimate the peasants here

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>>49840531

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>>49843158

>>49840569
I was gonna post that...

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>>49840531
Emrakul, and I would add that for the Innistrad peasants, it is yet another Thusday

>>49840531
If the pitchforks are iron, they might be able to defeat a demon of some sort. Otherwise, I expect the most they'd really be able to handle would be something slow or static that can die after a few hundred pricks - maybe a golem.

>>49841002
They probably had guns though. 40k worlds tend to have a lot of gangsters and thugs, and Vraks was an armory world.

>>49843854
So there is a village/town where fighting fuck-huge monster is a routine?
Noice.

>>49844554
More like an entire plane of existence, but yeah

Innistrad is a good setting

>>49840973
Great contribution. You've really added to the discussion.

>>49843854
Goddamn, why does anyone live there?
Like, how does ANYONE live long enough to have children if people are getting slaughtered all the fucking time?
Is it like Dark Sun, where your average farmer's kid comes out of the womb a 4th-level Fighter just because of how hard it is to live there?

>>49840857
>anyway in many systems they do
First I've heard this.

>>49844742
The most dangerous being there can be defeated by 14 squirrels. It's not that bad.

>>49840531
>What is the strongest threat that a mob of peasants could defeat with the Ol' "Pitchforks and Torches" method?
um... not much, likely their effectiveness would be limited to some poor bastard who didn't have time to escape. Anything of substantial power would likely cause the mob to scatter in fear.

>>49840792
>Leveling up to godlike power fighting infinite enemies

Kek, that's how Asura's Wrath worked. Just had punch robots/demons until you built up that Burst Gauge.

>>49840825
Don't forget many Peasants would owe their lord military service and have experience in moving in formation as either pikemen or archers
Don't underestimate how much more of a threat a group of men standing shoulder to shoulder are than a mob.

>>49844812
That raises more of a question about how good the squirrels are at fighting than how weak the enemies are.

>>49840531
One of them gets the brilliant idea to hurl their pitchfork like it was some kind of pointed throwing implement, and ends up overshooting and destroys a lich's phylactery with an accidental window breakage.

The archangel Michael.

>>49840531
Communism

>>49842860
Okay, yeah, what kind of min-maxed power gaming peasants do you have in your settings? Or are they all just wielding +5 pitchforks?

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The Tax Collector

>>49844851
you know... a pitchfork probably could be used as an effective substitute for a spear.

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>>49840531
Paladins, fully decked out. Never underestimate the power of a mob

>>49840569
First post best post.

>>49844849
The 1 power band in Magic is filled with a preposterous spread of size and physical abilities since it's basically the defacto token size.

>>49844914
> Hans you dumb fuck you're holding the axe backwards

>>49845515
>Hans you dumb fuck you're holding the axe backwards
they were designed to do that, those axes have a hammerhead on the back.

>>49845054
All MtG power levels are silly. In lore, Eldrazi are world-ending threats; in game one can be taken out by 15 squirrels, 8 bears, or 3 dragons.

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They are usually quick to exchange the pitchforks and torches for swords and demands. Which leads to the end of serfdom, the death of high officials, then their own deaths.

>>49845645
My mates and I were chatting about that down the pub once, we were having a conversation about what guildmasters a Brush Strider can fuck up.

>>49843855
Speaking of iron, Fey would be screwed if stabbed by swords, and if you dismiss Disney shit, actual legendary Fey are quite scary and powerful.

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>>49840569

>>49845054
I think that's a problem with a lot of games introducing a power-floor that's too high.

It's the reason why we have the 'cats kill commoners' meme in 3e dnd. Within a rules framework that sets the human average as the minimum, it's not possible to set cats or squirrels low enough that their threat level is accurately portrayed.

>>49840824
That only works for roughly human-like opponents. 4 billion peasants versus Godzilla is not going to go well for the peasants.

>>49844554
Werewolves zombies vampires geists etc are all an average day, in addition to regional threats like mad science gone wrong or giant frogs.

>>49840825
Thanks for the numbers, anon.

Games like Dark Souls and Bloodborne represent this sort of stuff fairly well, I've found. Even with superhuman levels of durability you're still vulnerable to being fucked apart by shit farmers with pointy sticks, just from them hitting you repeatedly from your blind spots.

Basically, any single threat that would survive would need 1 of 3 things.

>AOE attacks like fire breath.

>Ability to summon backup

>Teleportation-level manuverability that ignores the mob body-blocking.

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>>49840569
>it's already posted
doing god's work, anon

Depends entirely on the morale of the peasants, system rules aside.

A horde of peasants with a huge numerical advantage would still probably run away if whatever they're fighting was doing enough killin'/scary enough, but a mob of peasants with absolutely 0 fear due to being charmed, being robo-peasents/hive mind peasents (again probably magical bullshit), or out of desperation to save their homes could kill just about anything mundane, though probably with massive losses on their side.

>>49848763
You underestimate the value of a billion.

>>49842860
Maybe if they all attacked at once.

Even then they'd need to outnumber it at least 100:1

>>49840531
Most of anything that can't fly, and dosen't have energy resistance, and moderate DR. Even with high AC, criticals still hit, and with the right sized mob, assuming they're all suicidal/willing to die to kill the thing, they'll eventuall ywear it down. Fire to get past low energy reduction(torches),and pitchfork spam to hurt something with 5 DR or less. Given enough time, and space, they'll do it.

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>>49840531
anything
anytime
anywhere

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A mob killed the son of christ

As far as I'm concerned they could take on a fucking emperor class titan and be victorious

>>49852104
Oh? Jesus had a kid?

Imagine that, read a lot of religious texts, and it turns out Christ popped his cherry and had a son to boot.

>>49852294
That's pretty much exactly what DaVinci's Code is about.

>>49845515
Except thats how you kill someone with a common axe. The choppy bit is there for chopping up wood not people.

>>49852294
Well, I hate to play God's advocate here, but if Jesus was the son of God, and Jesus is God, then Jesus was also the son of Jesus.

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>>49855403
BWOOOONG

>captcha knows them gospels

>>49855286
its more because the blunt end would do more against plate armour than the actual axe blade.

that being said, a peasant shouldnt be privy to such a knowledge.

>>49840569
>That quest where Geralt finds the Cat School witcher who flipped out and slaughtered a village because someone stabbed him with a pitchfork
>"Yeah, pitchfork is a dangerous weapon"
I laughed so hard at the delivery. What is it with Witchers and getting stabbed with pitchforks?

>>49840531
2cat

>>49855842
I think it's pretty much just a joke on how Geralt dies in the books.

>>49851420
You underestimate Godzilla.

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>>49840569

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>>49840531
Five dragons.

>>49844849
Fun fact: Groups of starved squirels have proven to be a legitemate threath to unnarmed humans.

About as rare as bear attacks though.

>>49840531
Anything
Peasant rail gun with pitchforks.

>>49861084
I'm still not sure how they did that considering dragons can just light the entire groups on fire.

>>49860463
No, godzilla is a cuck.

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>>49843158

>>49848763
Let's assume d20 rules
4 billion peasents, that means roughly
200 million of them will hit.
This will have an average damage of 1d6 for their weapons which is 3.5 damage a hit on average.
This would be an average of 700 million damage a turn.
Even if you killed 50% of them with an opening attack that would still be 350 million damage.

>>49861396
that assumes that all 4 billion are in range for an attack at once

>>49855403
Actual lols.

>>49840531
It depends on the size of the mob.

>>49861396
An adult dragon has damage reduction 10 against non-magical weapons. What's 200 million times zero?

>>49861512
Critical hits and fire.

In the real world there is such a thing as morale. The mob will eventually break if enough people die.

In a game world like dnd eventually the mob just doesnt do enough damage regardless of size since they cant get trough damage reduction.

>>49861531
around 10 million of them should crit, they should crit for somewhere around 13.5 damage, so with dr 10/magical they would do around 35 million damage.
Also, yes they could all easily be in range because throwing exists. They are already fishing for crits anyways to hit so they would not have any penalties from doing this aside from needing to pick up a fallen pitchfork every round to throw it once more until all the pitchforks break, all the peasants are dead or their foe is dead.

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>>49861430
Aw, what the fuck man?

Why?

>>49861512
Godzilla's scales are probably far tougher than a regular dragon too. Considering the thing holds together despite being full of atomic plasma nuke power.

>>49840531
Conscript theory, if you throw enough people under the tank treads they will eventually clog up the tank.

>>49861319
And passively exudes lethal amounts of radiation in most versions.

>>49840531
Marshmallow Golem?

>>49863907
Oh man that sound good

>>49861660
scythes do 4x crit damage

>>49861660
>Also, yes they could all easily be in range because throwing exists
not sure what system, but I'd estimate only 20-100 ft range with a pitchfork

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>>49855403
That's heresy. Like, actual heresy, not meme 40k heresy.

>>49865311
>A = Z
>B = Z
>C = Z
>A =! B =! C

What kind of wonky ass algebra is this?

>>49865788
It's not algebra it's religion. Shhh no thinky just roll with it.

>>49865788
Sex is fun
Math is fun
The Internet are fun
Sex != Math != The Internet

>>49865788
equality does not imply identity

>>49865788
>thinking math has anything to do with faith

why is it that fedora tippers constantly prove themselves even dumber than the strawmen they fabricate?

>>49865843
Of course, but they are all part of the set of things that are fun. That does not make them the same things.

>>49865879
Except the pic is directly implying that they are the same thing, it's saying "A is Z, B is Z, C is Z", not "A, B, and C are all part of set Z"

>>49865892
This is basic logic, anon. "Is" is a very specific statement. The picture would be perfectly reasonable if the chart said "X is a part of God" or "X is an aspect of God", but because it says "X is God", the chart is contradictory.

>>49852294
Of course he popped his cherry, they only talk about all the crazy shit he did and being a virgin would have been crazy shit worth mentioning during his time period. They don't mention it, so he fucked.

>>49865968
My mom is not my dad and neither of them are my sister, but all of them are my family. if you want to be needlessly obtuse be my guest but it's either that or you double down on being an autistic fedora tipper.

>>49866175
They are a part of the group called your family. "Family" is not a singular entity, unlike God.

*tips*

>>49865968
>"Is" is a very specific statement

"You're dumber than shit" is a very specific statement too, anon

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>>49866211
>if you want to be needlessly obtuse be my guest but it's either that or you double down on being an autistic fedora tipper.

Feel free to keep outing yourself as a retard but I'm going to bed

>>49866223
Holy fuck lad, you sure are triggered. I have made no statements on religion or Christianity, only on that chart itself and how it's self-contradictory from simple inspection.

Secondly, criticizing a part of theology that I don't agree with or understand means that I think all religious folk are retarded mouth breathers?

I would expect this level of ad hom from reddit katana tippers or from /pol/, not on /tg/.

>>49866293
Have a good night anon, remember, words have specific meaning!

>>49866223
>>49866339
Oh, I just saw what you did, that's pretty clever of you.

But no, "is" is a very specific statement, it is not "a very specific statement", and is not equivalent to "you're dumber than shit".

Points for being witty, though.

>>49866293
Sweet dreams anon, let this ghastly vision leave your mind as you drift off to slumbertown

>>49861315

To be fair the dragons were chain and couldn't fly or maneuver.

>>49852085
Hells yeah, brother!

Given a few dozen peasants they could probably scare off quite a few baddies who just dont want to take the chance getting overwhelmed. 30 able bodied men could easy drive off an ogre or nest of ghouls for instance.

The problem is that if peasants start dying the group is going to scatter very fast. They aren't trained soldiers and while they may be tough and able bodied men, if a troll decides to charge in attack the mob is going to break almost immediately once they see the first couple men get mauled.