What would a dwarf be racist against and why, disregarding the

>>49770644
Dwarves are racist against everyone.

>>49770644
Depends on the setting.

depends on the setting, what races are available, what they do, what dwarves are like, and why you've decided that all members of a race are the same

cunt

>>49770644

>Inb4 depends on the setting

It kind of does, because racism is typically rooted in the way cultures encounter each other. Without the context of who lives near the dwarves and how they interact with each other it's difficult to parse out the nature of their racism.

But I'll still play along, going off of basic setting-agnostic perspectives of dwarves.

>Humans
Probably find humans quaint, dirty, and rural. Like it when they show up, but on the dwarves' terms. Fun to trade and talk with, but they don't want them to stick around too long.

>Gnomes
This does depend on the setting because gnomes vary widely in personality and appearance. But dwarves will probably find them annoying.

>Orcs and goblins
Most likely despise, because orcs and goblins like crawling out of their mines and attacking their fortresses.

>>49770644

Contrary to most fantasy treatment, most groups don't hate whoever their polar opposite is, they hate the immediate neighbor who is competing for the same space and resources.

So, dwarves would hate goblins or dark elves competing to control the same mines and caverns, or humans seeking to control the same metal trade, or other groups of dwarves.

>>49770711
>all the happy dwarf songs are about killing invading humans

>>49770665
This, but
>>49770644
If we're going standard D&D Forgotten Realms shit, Dwarves hate Goblinoids, Orcs, and Giantkin so much they have fucking racial combat bonuses against them. That means that their hatred of these races is so engrained every man woman and child, from the humblest street sweeper to the hoity toitiest noble, recieves combat bonuses against them. Contemplate what that means. It means that EVERY dwarf in a Dwarven society is taken aside and told "you have never held a weapon, but today I will show you where to stab a goblin". It means that every dwarf not raised in dwarven society has their HATE for these races SO ENGRAINED INTO THEIR GENETIC MAKEUP that they are NATURALLY MORE PROFICIENT AT KILLING THEM, even if they ARE LEVEL 1 COMMONERS.

>>49770789
>militarized ethnic hatred
>live in mountainous areas
>facial hair
Dwarves should be Balkan

>>49770837
I have in fact always been a proponent of Slav dwarves, right down to socialist rebels foementing dissent against the Thane and the labor guilds in the mines

>>49770883
This sounds like a pretty good fit for dwarves. Anything else that makes them more slavic?

>>49770789
>>49770837
To take it even further Dwarves hate these races because it is the will of their creator gods, who were at war with the gods of those races. Not only is such hatred militarized and culturally ingrained it is divinely mandated by the gods themselves who forge then judge the souls of all Dwarves . This is some old testament shit

>>49770904
Accordians, Mushroom Vodka, legends about horrible beasts deep in the mines and witches in the form of giant terrifying bats who will steal all of a man's teeth and eat out his tongue if he doesnt have a beard to protect his face (the bat gets tangled in it)

>>49770644
Anyone taller than them and anyone shorter than them.

>>49770953
PS: this is also why teeth capped with metals and precious hard stones are popular among the wealthy

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>>49770837
>>49770883
>>49770904
>>49770953

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>>49771040

I currently run a homebrew setting where the hoomans and dorfs are pretty much bro's. They share a few similar qualities such as importance of family and close relations, being industrious and cheerish the work of civilization. But most of all they like eachother well enough because of trade. Dorfs have ofcourse the wealth of the mountains and good craftsmanship of metal and stone (most abundant resource after all) So what does humans bring to the table? Foodstuff. Frankly Barley makes better beer then mushrooms or lichen and moss. For a dwarf being able to serve fresh fruit of vegetables is a bit of a status symbol and for a human to own a dwarf made tool even something as simple as kitchen utilities is a symbol of wealth.

Is it original? Hell no but it seems my players liked it well enough who are currently escorting a food caravan towards the nearby dwarf hold.

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>>49771167
Pic unrelated

I forgot to add that both dwarfs and humans does stereotype each other, a dwarf might think a human is nothing more then a mud caked idiot who wallows in the soil all day while a human might think a dwarf is nothing but stunty miners with severe alcohol problems and violent brutes.

Oh and both sides hate elves :^)

>>49770663

This.

They are xenophobe ultraconservative shut-ins with an inexhaustable list of grudges.

Any race seeking refuge in the Undermountain, in any setting, would be repulsed, enslaved, or have to have excessive wealth to pay for their stay.

>>49770644
Well like any intelligent race, Dwarfs hate niggers.

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>>49770644
>racist
Friendly reminder that "racist" is a word invented in the early 20th century. Prior to that there was no "racism", there was simply an us and a them. Anyone was inherrently somewhat skeptical of, or at best less favorable to, "them". Even babies are born "racist" (http://time.com/67092/baby-racists-survival-strategy/). White babies like other whites, black babies like other blacks.

So what would a dwarf be "racist" against? Anything that's not a dwarf. And even then, the dwarves that live in the mountains may absolutely detest the dwarves that dig holes in the ground because why the fuck would you dig a hole in the ground rather than a hole in a mountain are you fucking retarded or something?

>>49771529
>word invented in the early 20th century
Disregarded

The notion of race is recent too and your pop psych thing about babies is utter horseshit.

>>49771634
>The notion of race is recent too
Race is based entirely on biological truths and patterns though. And while the Romans may not have had a word for it, even they realized that those burned folks south of Egypt and those blonde folks up north were different from the folks hanging around in Club Med. Voltaire (would you call him recent?) even went as far as to question the idea that whites and blacks were part of the same species (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism#Voltaire).

>and your pop psych thing about babies is utter horseshit
Why? Because it hurts your feelings?

We're all racist. I'm racist, you're racist and that's fine. Let's just stop talking about this "racism" construct altogether. Only by talking about it do we make it a problem.

>>49770919
I've always found it interesting that D&D dwarves have that racial bonus against orcs, but elves who were literaly born of Corellon Latherian fighting Gruumsh do not.

not to mention that orcs and goblins don't get a similar bonus against dwarves, but that I tend to handwave away as a gameplay thing, developers probaly just didn't want the cannon fodder baddies getting bonuses like that against the players.

>>49771765
>We're all racist.

No. -ism implies ideology, it is not the same as being biased, ignorant, narrow-minded, or prejudiced. Which anyone may be "innocently". Racism is the the active creation of an intellectual justification for those innate tendencies, when they are pointed out as inherently absurd in the modern world.

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>>49770644
>What do they think of humans, gnomes, orcs, goblins, etc?

Sure, lets do it up.

>Giants, Humans & Centaurs
Generally speaking if Dwarves have to deal with anyone they'd rather deal with the other "Races of Men". It isn't uncommon for Human & Centaur communities to have what amounts to a Dwarven or Gnomish district. Giants, Humans & Centaurs like wise can often find districts or communities specifically built for them- "guest wings" within Dwarven Metropolises.
Dwarves feel a certain racial obligation to these species.

>Orcs & Ogres
Dwarves have a complicated, enabling relationship with the Orcish races: they constantly wage petty, wars with them, but on the other hand Dwarves are constantly selling Orcs arms and ammunitions to help fuel these wars... often against other Dwarves.

>Cyclopes & Minotaurs
Despite how foreign they are compared to what Dwarves consider 'normal'; they greatly and openly respect the work and craftsmenship of Minotaur culture and the reclusive Cyclopes. It isn't unheard of at all to see Minotaurs (or Cyclopes) be welcomed into a Dwarven city-state as "Honorary Men" for their impressive skills.

>Gnomes
Gnomes are literally just a recent ethnicity of Dwarves that developed from the pioneers of failed Dwarven surface colonization attempts. Dwarves dislike gnomes as traitors, deserters and bushwackers. With that said: Dwarves still purchase Gnomish goods, still hire Gnomish workers and tolerate Gnomes, they just don't "respect" them.

>Trolls, Goblins, & Kobolds.
The only species they genuinely despise: Goblins & Kobolds both constantly undermine their tunnels, caves, mines, etc- building traps and crappy shanty towns that either attract filth and rats (in the case of Goblins) or WYVERNS (in the case of Kobolds). Trolls meanwhile waddle into town from either above or below ground: smash everything, drink everything, eat everything, shit everywhere and to add insult to injury they often bring Goblins with them.

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>>49770644
Because Tolkien based dwarfs largely on Jews, racist dwarves could behave similarly to an insular racist orthodox jew.

>>49773611
He based them on scots, redditfugee

>>49771765
Scientific racism is literally when the concept of race beyond kinship started happening, idiot. Race used to be a vague synonym for clan ffs.

>Because it hurts your feelings
Because it's literally anecdotal research that has been hard to reproduce in a lot of situations.

>Only by talking about it do we make it a problem
You're an ostrich

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>>49773635
Oh so Scots use language and writing that few others understand and are an insular withdrawn group of people driven away from their homelands that have a tradition for beautiful craftstrade and a love of gold?

(You) fucking ignorant imbecile.

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>>49770644
Humans build stupid cheap shit.
Humans breed like rats
humans do not have good beards.
Humans are dirty dealers.
Humans don't work nearly as hard as dorfs.
Humans don't have good family values like dorfs.
Humans will fuck anything
Humans can't drink
Humans music a shit.
Humans inbreed like crazy.

Take everything I've said
it applies to orks except orks fuck their shit up and are dicks
Same with gnomes except they are annoying dicks who can't tell a straight story or the truth.
Goblins, see orks plus they are also conniving fuckheads.
Ghols because the dorfs fucked up their godhead and they would side with the leveler.
Orges are big fat ugly, smelly humans.
Trow are genocidal assholes, slavers and they are jealous of the trows metalworking.

Point being, most fantasy races cannot possibly live up the the dwarf ideals.
Much like individuals that become clanless for being failures, other races are treated with disrespect.

>>49773745
look up the Celts you fucking moron

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>>49773859
>celts

>>49773908
one horned helm and battle axe away from being an actual dwarf.

>>49773745
The Idea of "Hoards" of Gold stems exactly from Anglo-Saxons, where we still find Hoards hidden away in Hidden burials and mounds.

He based them on the Anglo-Saxons and the Jewish both.

>>49773635
No he didn't you fucking idiot. He specifically compared them to Jews when asked about inspiration.

>>49773859
Tolkien Dwarves are literally nothing like Scots or any other Celts you fucking historically-illiterate mouthbreathing retard.

>>49774029
But they are like the Anglo Saxons, just like so much of his work.

Things can be inspired by more than one thing. But you are correct, not celts. There is little Celtic influence in Lord of the Rings because Tolkien was Anglo-centric in his writing.

>>49774029
actually i'm a high school history teacher and debating on going back to get a masters on the subject. Anyways the Celts and Anglo-Saxons hoarded gold in underground burrows, both were known for their skill at metal working, both had a love of using axes in battle, and have you ever looked up what Celtic runes looked like? Jesus i can't tell if this guy is trolling of just genuinely dumb as fuck.

>>49771446
>>49770663
Remember the Dwemer? Chemically and magically lobotomized the Falmer (to keep them complacent little slaves), probably did the same to the giants (notice that in Skyrim, the giants have elf ears), looked down on everyone else, only allied with Nerevar because of their mutual hatred of orcs and men? And immediately turned against Nerevar when he and his people decided they didn't like the Dwemer performing experiments on the heart of a dead god?

Granted, everybody's racist in TES.
Or, just combine normal dwarves with Duergar.

>>49774061
Yeah, I agree they're not just Jew stand-ins. I can certainly see your point about the Anglo-Saxon influence. But I think most non-Elven peoples north of Gondor and west of Rhun have some Anglo-Saxon influence, by design because Tolkien loved the Anglo-Saxons.

>>49774161
Don't lie, you're terrible at it.

First off, Celts weren't Anglo-Saxons. Anglo-Saxons were Germanic. Celts are not. Jesus I shouldn't even need to tell you this, I am embarrassed for you.

Second, the first three points describe the Mycenaeans better than they do Celts. Third, the point about axes applies to literally every culture in early Medieval Europe, except for Avars and Magyars and the like who used bows (and also still used axes). Axes are a peasant's weapon - they have more utility than a sword which is basically only useful for killing and, in Europe, was associated with the nobility. Fourth, the Dwarves use the Cirth, which draws inspiration from Futhark and looks literally nothing like Celtic Ogham. Again, Celts were not Anglo-Saxons. I honestly cannot tell if you're trolling or just genuinely retarded.

>>49774670
Also, there is little to no Celtic in Tolkien's work because most of his entire fucking Work in Literacy was about promoting the English National spirit.

Before Tolkien the Anglo-Saxons were seen as a dark part of our history, an invasion by the savage germanics who washed away the at the time, perfection of the Romantic period.

It's why, if you read it and do your history, Lord of the Rings and Middle Earth is actually a Scathing detachment of traditional Arthurian Myth and Romantic fantasy.

It's something he hated with a passion, that the English National Identity was something not English at all.

>>49774727
Where do you think the term "England" comes from?

>>49774782
Well, that was entirely his point wasn't it. It's almost 100% Tolkien the reason why our Nation Poem is Beowulf.

The Anglo-Saxons was a period of History that was for too long marred, Luckily, more and more evidence shows they were pretty fucking based.

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>>49774161
>actually i'm a high school history teacher and debating on going back to get a masters on the subject.
>masters
>in history

May as well get a masters in replaced-by-the-school-assistant-coach while you're at it.

Tolkien specifically equated them to Jews, regardless of their accent, or semi-similar cultural quirks like you've listed, that's from the creators mouth himself.

Use the immense time you have to write your master's thesis on how, even though you were so certain on a chinese waterpainting imageboard, you were still so inhumanely wrong in both your career choice and that post you made so long ago.

>>49774842
Like said above, Dwarves were not wholly created on Jews. Their language is what he specifically said, but many MANY things about their culture draws from Anglo-Saxon.

>>49770644
Dwarves aren't "racist" against anyone, because they have a super insular and homogeneous society they're just super xenophobic.

From the Dwarf (Middle-earth) Wikipedia article:

>Tolkien uses the main dwarf character Gimli to finally reconcile the conflict between Elves and Dwarves through showing great courtesy to Galadriel and forming a deep friendship with Legolas, which has been seen as Tolkien's reply toward "Gentile anti-Semitism and Jewish exclusiveness".[6]

>Tolkien also elaborated on Jewish influence on his Dwarves in a letter: "I do think of the 'Dwarves' like Jews: at once native and alien in their habitations, speaking the languages of the country, but with an accent due to their own private tongue..."[11]

>In the last interview before his death, Tolkien, after discussing the nature of Elves, briefly says of his Dwarves: "The dwarves of course are quite obviously, wouldn't you say that in many ways they remind you of the Jews? Their words are Semitic, obviously, constructed to be Semitic."[13]

There, you fags. Tolkien quite explicitly stated he saw his dwarves as natural analogues to Jews. However, he never intended them as racist caricatures and anyone who says they are is a clueless moron.

>>49774901
No I dont know nor care who this ""Tolkien"" guy is but theyre fucking Scots okay? They live underground, and they have beards, and they use axes, and they make steel, and they made the fucking gates for the elves, and they speak a vaguely Semitic language, and they lost their homeland and got scattered all about the world, just like the fucking Scots, okay? Capisce?

Don't even fucking bother arguing, I have a master's degree in history and archaeology, ok? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the navy seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al Qaeda and I have over 300 confirmed kills, so I think I know what I'm talking about.

>>49774990

Use of the Navy Seal pasta would've been like ten times better if you'd modified it to refer to archaeology.

>>49774236
I don't know much about the ES universe, but aren't Dwemers just regular elves ? I heard that it was just giants who called them dwarves or something

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>>49770711
This guy said it perfectly. It all depends all where the dwarves and the other races are living in relation to one another.

>>49774813
Your national poem is fukkin Beowulf?! Jesus, that's fukkin awesome. I think ours is one of those lame 19th century poems, like Walden, or that "road less traveled" guy.

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>>49776575

>Walden
>poem

>"road less traveled" guy

>>49776645
Well, I don't know what the poem is, I just know it isn't the balls to the wall awesomeness that is Beowulf, a poem where a viking strips naked, wrestles an ogre (or orc, or ghoul, or troll, or whatever the current translation is), rips off its' arm, kills its mother, grows old, and mutual-kills a mutha-fucking dragon.
In comparison, any other national poem would just be quaint. Unless Greece made the Odyssey their national poem.

>>49776795

There's no such thing as a "national poem". Beowful is just a big part of England's extensive literary culture as it's one of the first works to ever exist in English.

Also you sound like a complete philistine. Robert Frost may not have had "balls to the wall awesomeness" but he was a national icon and for good reason.

>>49773819

As for Elves?

Elves use magic to mine, it is like using robots to replace good old fashion physical labor that builds character

Elves hordes the prettiest things and use it build crystal towers and shit. Fuck those Elves

Dwarf Magic is practical, Elven Magic is pretty lights and crap that has no use in a Dwarven society

Elves are basically white collar workers to the Dwarf Blue collar, hipsters vs the working man.

>>49776859
>Elves use magic to mine, it is like using robots to replace good old fashion physical labor that builds character

You forgot that elves are apparently the engineers to the dwarven luddites

>>49776845
He's good and all, but poor education and the lack of anyone trying to teach poetry seriously in the states makes many, like myself, go a little far in the opposite direction.
Show an American even a little bit of culture, and we tend to take it poorly. Show us something with tits, violence, and explosions, and we're there. It's not like we have over 1000 years of history and culture to fall back on.

>>49774029
I think you're mixing up Pratchett's dwarves and Tolkien's dwarves.

>>49775059
Yeah, they're normal sized. Or they were

>>49770837
so they hate all non-dwarves, but above all they hate each other and themselves?
it's perfect.

>>49776934

America has a vivid literary cultural tradition you dweeb. We don't shy away from our greats any more than anyone else does. The US did not invent the Lowest Common Denominator

Stop projecting your mealy tastes onto the rest of the country.

>>49775059
No, they were elves who could grow beards. Magnificent, epic-of-Gigamesh, Sumerian style beards.

Also, they kind of fuck up the entire elf history concept. From the sound of things, the Chimer were supposed to be the first elves to leave the Somerset Isles, as part of a religious schism. So where did the Dwemer, or the Falmer, come from? The Falmer at least had religious ties to the rest of elfkind, but the Dwemer just raise too many questions and poke too many hols in official elf doctrine. The size of their settlements and the intricacy of their empire probably mean that they were there for a very long time. Also, why do the giants have elf ears? This is something that has always bugged me.

So no, they are not just elves with beards, they are a thorn in the side of elf religious doctrine and-

Okay, this got off topic, and I apologize. I need to stop drinking.

And yes, it was the giants who called them dwarves, back when giants spoke, and had more culture than simply trying to send random people into the stratosphere.

>>49770644
everyone who's not their clan

not elves though. my dwarves are okay with elves. probably because the elves are always courteous.

>>49777040
One that most Americans are never introduced to. I went to a decent school, in a great neighborhood, and even then I had to go out of my way to find actual culture. When my english lit class read beowulf, some of my classmates actually fell asleep. While I was reading everything in the Lit textbooks, finishing everything from Huck Finn to As I Lay Dying months before the rest of the class, everyone else was doing the barest minimum and seeking out every Cliffs' Notes they could find.

Face it, pal. Culture and Intellect just aren't prized in this culture like they are elsewhere. Hell, just ask anyone who played DND in the eighties. I met a guy who was the wrong kind of nerd, in the wrong place. His football team caught him with the 1st ed. AD&D monster manual, and beat his ass so bad, he still has a scar where they slammed him into the bleachers. Hell, I'm old enough to remember some of that shit.

America has good culture, sure, and we didn't invent the Lowest Common Denominator. But it's kind of hard to tell sometimes.

>>49777065
Just wait. Those knife-eared bastards might seem fine now, but as soon as you try and sell them something made from wood, they go ballistic.

On the other hand, they make great wine, and if there's anything a dwarf appreciates, it's alcohol. That counts for quite a lot.

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>>49770644
A vile force of darkness has arrived!

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>>49777157
>I went to a decent school, in a great neighborhood, and even then I had to go out of my way to find actual culture.

>>49774842

yes, the famous jewish axemen with names ripped straight from norse mythology in their high-quality coats of mail

indeed, the dwarfs are JUST jews and nothing more than that. there's no germanic influence in them at all. not a single bit.

What a stupid, pointless question.

Depends entirely on numerous factors.

>>49777183
they may go to war over petty reasons for petty reasons, but who hasn't? they might war us or we might war them, but that's no excuse for racial hatred when they've got such great style.

actually, the elves tend to go to war over petty reasons a lot. I think they've pretty much done that to everyone. there's been an elven civil war going on for longer than any civilization's archives show and only answer I ever got for what it's about was a shrug and "artistic differences".

>>49774990

Tolkien took Dwarves straight from the from Voluspa. Basically they are Old Norse Scots Jewish Scrooge McDuck Motherfucking Gold-Digging Money-Grabbing ELVES with motherfucking ZZ-TOP level BEARDS of DOOM!

>>49770644
Dwarves hate Dwarves from another dwarf culture,

I play dwarves as soft racists. They have every other race, culture, and probably only hates other dwarves slightly less. However they do easily make friends with other people and see them as an exception. Sure, elves are flighty swishy bastards but Logolam here's good people. Halflings are fat and lazy hillbillies, but Frito here seems alright.

>>49771040
I love this!
It's really fun actually.

>>49773611
No he fucking didn't /pol/tard

He based the dwarves on the Scottish and went on record saying that numerous times over a few decades.

>>49773819
I've heard someone describe Dwarves look at humans the same way westerners look at China.

>It's a really dirty, massively overpopulated hellhole that produces cheap crappy knockoffs of goods,
>their construction is shit and their buildings fall over,
>they are very unhealthy,
>Their armies kind of suck but they win through waves and waves of canon fodder
>their language is dumb and inefficient

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>>49770644
I used to run stuff where, at least building on elf hate, Dwarves were actually bros with Orcs.

They both like beer, axes, caves but Orcs can exist outside of caves, so they're natural trade partners.

They tended to view Orcs the way Elves view humans: uncivilized, but romantic figures.

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>>49774029
THe jew thing was never once mentioned until after the first Hobbit movie came out in the 2010's. It's a joke based on the gold piles in the mountain.

Tolkien never EVER had jew in mind when he invented dwarves.

>>49771765
>Race is based entirely on biological truths and patterns though
Historically speaking (because that's what your arguing for) you're wrong.

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>>49776859
>Elves are basically white collar workers to the Dwarf Blue collar, hipsters vs the working man.
That was the most apt explanation I've heard

>>49780247
>>49780295

See >>49774901

It's not that Dwarves hate gnomes, they just really enjoy watching the spectacle when a gnome gets covered in gnomeblight.

>>49770644
No one? Racism is ultimately childish and immature. Creature that would have a literal lifetimes to think about it would simply grow up out if it.