Weird question but are there any religious guys here or involved

I know a lot of catholics but no one is super opinionated

Most religious people compartmentalize their beliefs so they don't mentally overlap with the real world or with fiction.

I don't play 40K, but I do play Magic, various RPGs, and am starting to look into Battletech.
What's so incomprehensible about it? It's recreation. Enjoying something isn't the same as worshiping it. Just because I play a character that proselytizes St. Cuthbert and his holy crusade doesn't mean I personally believe in any of that.
But it is hilarious how Magic has this kind of anti-religion stigma about it.

>>49713490
>A lot of the stuff people joke about seems blasphemous
I'm capable of enjoying games without taking them this seriously? I mean how are the events of a fictional universe threatening to someone's real-world beliefs?

As a non-religious with religious sympathies, I believe a firm grasp of morality actually enhances enjoyment of fiction and role play. It helps avoid the pitfalls of the "typical" rpg player, the ones who exclusively play larcenous scoundrels and friendless killers.

>>49713520
If they compartmentalize their believes they might as well be atheists. Kek. Fucking fundies.

>>49713520
>don't mentally overlap with fiction

:3

>>49713658
Well to be fair if you don't compartmentalize your religious beliefs then you must be clinically insane.

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Only a
>t. Fedora-tipper
or
>LET ME TAWLK TO YUE ABOUT JEEZUS
asshole is going to really get so out of sorts they declare having fun in a way that utilizes one's imagination absolutely haram.

ITT: Reactionaries ruin everything, \pol\ triggered

>>49713735
Yah because religion is fiction. rekt.

>>49713658
I don't think that word means what you think it means

>>49713753
Unless you're an atheist. kek.

>>49713490
We have a Christian girl, but a combination of college and her boyfriend's dick has made her largely ambivalent to some of the things that once concerned her.

Yes. I am religious.
Yes, I know religious people who roleplay.

No, nothing bad happens, but we do kind of roll our eyes when a setting or a piece of work goes waaaaay over the top with anti-theism or secularism.

Then we move on.

>>49713490
What's so weird about it? I'm a very religious person, but I'm also not a thin skined shit with my head up my asshole, getting triggered every time the "blasphemies" come up.

>>49714207
omg you swore therefore you are not am religulous

But I feel ya. You seems a good dude.

Being religious doesn't preclude one from having a sense of humour or thick skin. Actually more often than not it's a necessity.

>>49713490
I worship the emprah

>>49713568
...This has nothing to do with religion.

>>49714247
Then the Emperor is disappointed in you.

Unless the setting is full fedora, it doesn't bother me. I just play a paladin and follow the Jesus equivalent to the setting if i'm in the mood to get my holy on. I don't see how pretend fiction would directly effect a belief I hold rl.

>>49713490

It is mildly annoying how the Emperor basically acts and talks like a 16 year-old fedora ("Religion is bad because it causes humans to be intolerant and fight each other and I will genocide the fuck out of anyone who disagrees!") but I'm sure everyone has an aspect of the setting they could do without. Overall I really enjoy it.

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But seriously, OP, there is nothing odd about religious people being into tabletop roleplaying games. It's a tad odd that you think it would be, my son. Roleplaying games transcend race, creed, sex, age and all of that shit.

Heck, one of my friends literally had his whole family sit down and play DnD, with his Dad as the DM.


I have muslim friends who play. When we take a break, they do their salat.
I have atheist friends who play, and play with the muslims. Nothing bad happens, nobody gets harassed.

We even have a friend who plays with the muslims and the atheist who is literally studying to be a preacher. They all get along and actually like each other. The muslims and the Preacher-in-training talks religion in downtime, and the atheist picks the brains of the both of them, asking questions about the religions in question.
They're all bros.

So I mean...(pic related). I don't know if you have a really odd notion of what religious people are like or if you believe the default stance of any religion is to hate tabletop games on principle, but trust me, shit ain't no big irl

See mah nigga here >>49714711
He gets it.

Most roleplayers I've met are religious, and that's coming from a non-religious resident of atheist wonderland Sweden.

Purely anecdotal evidence, but I associate roleplaying games more with religious people than with atheists.

People have the weirdest ideas about religious people. Next you'll all be asking if religious people can enjoy films.

I am very religious but overall I don't care. I still enjoy w40k, mtg, and various other gay shit. I keep my religion in tcg related stuff seperate. Although I usually roll paladin or cleric but fuck you.

Tabletop gaming is entirely about make believe. Most people aren't actually murderhobos in real life, but they play one on the weekends

>>49714999

It's really not surprising that a decent amount of religious people are interested in role playing. Gary Gygax was a Christian and so was JRR Tolkien. Given the massive amount of influence the pair have had on the gaming industry it makes sense.

Even 40K takes tons of inspiration from Christian authors from John Milton to Gene Wolfe.

The general awesomeness of playing a badass space paladin is generally enough to make me overlook some of more fedora aspects of the setting.

One of my not-so-local FLGSs is ran by a rather dedicated catholic family. They're pretty great.

The shop being closed on sundays is not so great and means I often don't have the time to go there to play, but I still order stuff from them rather than go online.

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>>49713490
Yeah, I'm pretty religious.
The main thing here is that fiction =/= real life.
I can look at 40k and still love it, and besides the anti-religion has a purpose in the setting Emps thought Chaos, literal demonic entities and a very real threat, fed on it, and tried to wipe out religion to stop them, which failed spectacularly.

As for the blasphemy aspect, the same can be said for your basic D&D game, Video games, books, movies, what have you.
It's fine, fiction isn't real, it's okay to pretend to be someone you're not once in a while.
It's okay to have fun, so long as you're not ritualistically sacrificing hobos in your game store trying to summon Satan.

>>49715449
yeah, most of the Fedora was by one or two guys, like the one behind The Last Church, notably the fedora writers are often the bad ones

I'm a practicing christian (specifically lutheran) who plays 40k. I generally am of the mindset that 40k is a work of fiction that is enjoyable to read about, and a fun (most of the time) game to play. It doesn't specifically go against christian teachings to read about fictitious gods. We are supposed to worship the triune God and no one else, but that doesn't restrict us from playing games or reading story that contain fictitious gods.

I'm a practicing Roman pagan, and I'm not terribly bothered by religion in games, though "Greco-Roman" pantheons or appearances in games make me cringe due to inaccuracy. It really doesn't effect my gaming, save a mild inclination to play clerics and a leaning towards gods like mine.

>>49713490
>And they bash religion in 40k constantly.
Religious people in 40k are objectively right, Gods do exist and if you listen to them you are generally better off than if you don't.

>>49715840
I still do wonder, if emotion and belife fule the gods in thw warp where are the Greek/roman, Norse, Egyptian, Shinto, and other deities? it should look more like Smite then "FOUR EVIL GODS"

>>49713490
I'm a mormon, yet I love 40k, 30k, CoC, the 40k RPGs, and DnD, because I know they are simply fiction, and I enjoy playing them with my friends. Nothing wrong with them.

>inb4 there are mormons on 4chan?

>>49715981
There's fluff suggesting that minor psychic conglomerates do, or did exist. The only issue is the Big Four can gobble up lesser Gods in both metaphorical and literal ways. A particularly large Feudal World might actually generate enough belief to create some minor aspect of their faith as a Warp-spirit, but when the Daemons come knocking that spirit will be cast into Chaos.

Or at least that's the implied string of events.

>>49713490
Unless you literally worship the emperor then you are not committing a sin, at least from the Christian perspective. The commandments are pretty simple, and the only ones that I could even possibly see being at issue here are idolatry and worshipping another God. Since I don't worship my miniatures or the Emperor then it isn't a problem.

So lets review:
No worshipping another god
Acknowledgement that God is the one and only true god
no praying to false idols

I can read fictional stories where characters say or do things that contradict these, but I myself may not do them in real life.

>>49715981
Belief in a god might make them a minor blip in the warp, but he chaos gods are more like abstract concepts associated with their domains. Across the galaxy the abstract concepts win out.

>>49713490

I am religious.

I do not believe 40k is inherently anti-religion. Religion in 40k is brutal, rife with superstitions and mistakes, and its followers do violent things; but it is shown to be the actually realistic outlook on the universe.

On the flip side, irreligious groups such as the Tau and hardline Imperial Truth followers if anything are the most superstitious of all in their materialism: they have all the knowledge in the world but they don't understand the way things really are. And groups like Dark Eldar and Night Lords who believe in the gods but choose not to honor them, are nothing more than sadistic savages.

The Imperial Truth worked as an ideology for a time because it tried to put forward an transcendent concept of reality, but it was fatally flawed. It demanded the Emperor be obeyed as a god but not acknowledged as one. It proclaimed humans to be a divine race while not acknowledging the dark aspects of human nature(Chaos). This came back to bite it, hard.

The various mortal powers in 40k definitely tow a fine line between necessary evil and blind fanaticism. The most blatantly fanatical groups(such as the Redemptionists, Word Bearers, Tau ethereal caste) are so consumed by wanting to follow an ideology, religious or not, that they lose all concept of reality. Meanwhile, cynical, purely pragmatic groups like the Dark Eldar bring about their own demise through lacking purpose or self-control. This is also shown in the Puritan/Radical dichotomy in the Inquisition too. Groups that are fanatical, but also pragmatic and truly loyal to what they believe, such as Black Templars and Biel-Tan Eldar, have a galaxywide reputation of being hard-asses and are respected by their allies.

There is a lot of irony, however, in the Emperor's position, where he bombed his own holy city rather than be worshiped, and now the entire Imperium worships him. Yet he needs to be worshiped and sacrifice, to feed his psychic power so he can actually do stuff.

>>49713532

Magic: the Gathering? Yeah it seems to get really preachy against religion.

>gods of Zendikar are actually planet-eating elder horrors who barely notice mortals!
>pantheon of Theros are all jerks and Ajani wants to kill them all!
>angels of innistrad are a legitimate religion... but they were created by an edgy vampire lord

This is a newer trend just like the social justice part. Older MTG had Serra and Freyalise who were actually likeable gods(apparently they were once mortals though)

>>49715589
>The Last Church
I thought the goal of that short was that even though Emps "won" the argument with all his cue cards, he was wrong in the greater scheme of things and that the priest was justified in what he did.

>>49716243
What if I do worship our beloved God Emperor? Pretty sure that makes YOU the heretic!

>>49716656
that is how it ultimately fits into the larger story but in the story itself it feels like the author really thought all those cards were right

>>49716713
If that's the case then McNeil really shot himself in the foot with that one, because the whole point of it was about being a window from and into the rest of 40k.

The real question is, what the hell are religious people doing on 4chan? The site has several boards dedicated to porn, and even the blue boards have a good bit of ecchi posted on them. Not to mention the general attitude & crassness of Anons.

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>>49714842
>. I don't know if you have a really odd notion of what religious people are like or if you believe the default stance of any religion is to hate tabletop games on principle

It's a holdover from the satanism scare phenomenon in the 70s or 80s, it's stuck around as an artifact of Evangelical America

>>49716774
purifying you heretics, obviously

>>49716774
They piled recently in due to the surge of racist alt-right mania.
They mostly set up shop on /pol/ and /his/.

>>49713490
>they bash religion in 40k properly
>Big E fedoras his way into causing the worst disaster in human history
what did he mean by this

>>49716837
>>49716565
it's weird how the moral panic shifted from soccer moms to the social justice types.

>>49716774

Not too hard to figure out if you allow some multi- dimensionality to people, and both vague faith and specific faiths. The religious don't have to avoid seculars like they're lepers, Catholics and Baptists, as examples I'm most qualified to discuss can in fact feel encouraged to move among them. Only the delusional consider themselves non-sinners, anyway. The religious can also be crass. As far as 'attitudes', everyone here thinks everyone else's opinions are shit, and yet here everyone still is.

>>49716899
>Catholics and Baptists, as examples I'm most qualified to discuss can in fact feel encouraged to move among them
I feel like visiting dens of vice and debauchery (AKA 4chan) is taking things a bit too far. You gotta hobnob with the Gentiles, but going to a strip-club is a bridge too far, ya feel?

>>49716774
by not going to the porn boards, mostly.

and if there's one thing you should have learned from the last 'all of human history', it's that religion and ideology has very little bearing on how crass someone is.

I unironically worship whatever meme deity 4chan worships at the time

>>49717464
It used to be Raptor Jesus, then it was Boxxy, now it's Kek.

>>49716774
My religion has gods as depraved or more so than 4chan. So no worries.

>>49713490
One of my best players left to go to seminary a few months ago, and I run for the group he's in on a weekly basis via roll20 since he left. He does has a leaning towards playing paladins, clerics, and other divine types, but in our Ravenloft game he's playing a shifter barbarian. He also has a habit of when he GM of making the setting monotheistic, unless it's based on a specific mythology.

He knows I'm an atheist, but, we're both respectful towards each other, and get into friendly debates regularly.

Hi all, I'll chime in on this.
I'm an ordained pastor for over 25 years.

What you are asking is about a freedom of choice issue.

There are legalistic systems of Christianity which essentially say if you don't act like them, then you are bad. There are overly sensitive legalistic systems of Christianity that essentially say that anything with th e word "magic" in is it evil.

I'm a conservative (not legalistic) version. I take the Bible very seriously, however I think we also have to choose.

There are 4 types of stances on can take.
1) if I participate then I am doing something bad.
2) it is bad, I won't participate.
3) I participate and it's okay
4) if it causes someone else to question their faith, I won't participate for their sake.

Position one leans to the legalistic views, position 4 leans to others first view.

I have met a lot of really wonderful people in a game store. I have met a lot of stuck up people in church.

We religious folks have a lot of baggage as a whole, and it's worse when I talk to other pastors. Some have a morality police attitude, I would rather accept our baggage in grace, and let our own personal screwed-upped-ness be dealt with at the cross, not in pew.

For those who have been hurt by a church because of gaming or other choices, please accept my apology from a broken church, full of imperfect people, who have gotten the message of Jesus wrong over the last few ages.

Addition, game for 30 years, pastor for 25. Year I do the math.

>>49715721
>Roman pagan
>not knowing enough Latin to realize you're calling yourself a hillbilly in the language of the gods you claim to worship
Pick up a Latin dictionary sometime pathicus.

>not unironically believing in the emperor

>>49713490
There's a religious guy in my group.
I always forget though and I have to think back and think if I might have offended him during the session.
I think he's pretty chill though and it's not like I'm a militant atheist or anything.
You'd have to be a special kind of sperg to not separate your beliefs from this shit.
He rolls a cleric, naturally.

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>>49713490
I'd call myself a Religious Extremist (As in the whole, willing to kill for God Department). And it's pretty easy. Seriously, The Empreror is implyed to have been Jesus. Also It's Escapist until the ACTUAL Moral Revolution/Purge begins.

Addition. I'm a 30 year gamer, 25 year pastor. U do the math.

>>49714231
pffffhahaha

>>49716774
The vast majority of the human race is religious to some degree. So, it figures that a huge number of 4chan posters would be religious, or at least hold spiritual views, going by statistics.

Also, plenty of theists hold more liberal/open views than their faiths' officials

>>49716882
Eh, many religious people have been on this site since day one. If anything, there are fewer of them due to the Gen-Xers/Millenials demographics losing their religiosity to a fair degree.

Also, some Alt-righters are irreligious or even anti-religious, viewing the major religions as cartoonishly evil mind control by THE JEEEEEEEEWSSSS or inferior Asian subhumans.

>>49716890
I've always wondered if this social justice shit is just something the elites of society encouraged to hijack Occupy Wall Street and make the underclasses crucify each other.

>>49717770
Anon, your just wrong.
>>49717714
I'm this. While I actually do believe this Pope is a Puppet, I'd still Deus Vult.

>>49713490
fantasy goes over here


reality goes over here.


its real easy dude.

>>49714088
Same.

>>49715981
If I recall, there was a line where a daemon of Tzeentch says in response to seeing a Catheric (the only surviving remnant of Christianity in the 31st millenium) crucifix is to more or less say the Chaos Gods had "devoured their gods long ago"

Of course, since it is a daemon, it could've just lied about the existence of those gods to begin with to fuck with the protagonist.

I'm a practicing catholic that plays Deathskullz Orkz

>>49717852
What if he wanted you to Deus Vult, I don't know, white Africans?
Because equality and shit.

>>49714088
>waaaaay over the top with anti-theism or secularism.
Does that whole CE/BCE thing piss you off? It sure pisses me off and I'm an atheist; it's just so fucking unnecessary. Also what in the hell is the "Common Era"? They literally just made up that term solely so they could avoid tangentially referring to the most popular religion on the planet, because that would be terrible.

>>49714711
>Unless the setting is full fedora
Which is the most fedora setting in your opinion?

>>49714830
>("Religion is bad because it causes humans to be intolerant and fight each other and I will genocide the fuck out of anyone who disagrees!")
Isn't his argument more about how it inadvertently feeds the chaos gods? Their universe isn't anything like ours so you'd expect their attitudes to be different.

>>49717662
Yeah a few assholes did a lot of damage over the years.

>>49717852
Can you just like go back to Avignon.

>>49715981
I thought the idea was that gods like that would just be versions of the chaos gods, like not everyone calls Khorne Khorne instead they'll call him Ares or Mars as in your example.

>>49716243
>not literally worshiping the emperor
HERESY!

>>49717662

you are a good, DISCERNING, pastor.

>>49716890
>it's weird how the moral panic shifted from soccer moms to the social justice types.
My theory is that tendency is fundamentally genetic in nature and that's why you can see it popping up in such wildly divergent political ideologies, because it doesn't really have anything to with the politics the politics are just a vehicle for that person's neuroses.

>>49716929
Didn't Jesus like chill with prostitutes and criminals and shit like that?

>>49717828
Nah man it's a total coincidence that the concept of privileged get overused to the point of becoming an absolute joke right after the most outrageous demonstration of it in living memory, total coincidence.

>>49713490
I guess it depends on how you answer the question;

Is this the real life?

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>>49713490
I kind of think of it in reverse of how I view religious/paranormal bullshit.

I don't believe in souls, or any religion. Despite the fact that I don't think there is any logical reason to believe in that crap, sometimes my subconscious mind will doubt my reasoning. Like after watching a good horror movie, when I'm alone in an old creepy house at night. Everything that's making a noise inside, and outside is suddenly a potential ghost/monster in my mind.

Christians believe in their faith, but in the back of their mind they also doubt it. This doubt allows them to ignore the sins they commit daily for their selfish reasons. Then they can run back to it when they dwell on mortality, or wish for something good to happen for themselves.

So basically I think everyone has a lack of faith, and some spiritual nature in them. Sometimes we creep into the lesser of the two, and then revert back. That may not make a lot of sense to all of you, I'm gonna go to bed.

night night /tg/

>>49718081
I mean, yeah, but he was totally cool with it. He just liked to hang around and tell people about god, regardless of who they were.(unless they were doing something in a church, then he would get real pissy over that.)

>>49718167
Shit that's pretty deep.

>>49717662
I love you pastor

>>49713490

Kind of weird that Christians invented tabletop gaming and most of its aspects (le alignment system) and conventions, yet subsequently disowned it, don't you think?

>>49717852
>Anon, your just wrong.
How so, man? The Alt-Right bit? Religious people being more liberal/progressive/whatever than the leaders of their faiths?

I'm legitimately interested.

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>>49713490
back in the 70s and 80s it wasn't so easy being into rpgs and such if you had religious family because two big scares that were run at the time was that it (adnd) was in some way linked to satanism and that people who played rpgs committed suicide and such

it all seems hilarious now but i can tell you from personal experience that growing up at that time and having an interest in gaming it was something that some adults seriously believed

>>49717662
Based pastor. You're a good dude, and should feel good. Not too proud, though. You know what goeth before a fall.

>>49716187
Cool. Another Mormon! We're not supposed to be here. No one else in my group is LDS, so I shamelessly steal stories from the BoM when I'm feeling too lazy to do actual world-building. They actually seem to like it.

>>49717971
Anno Domini just sounds cooler than lameass Common Era.

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I think most are just capable of understanding that this is fictional.

I'm actually way more surprised about the religious people ITT.

This is 4chan. Are you here to try an exorcism?

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>>49718394
I mean, given the demographics, there were going to be more than a few. It just doesn't come up in most threads.

>>49718106
>Is this the real life?

Is this just fantasy?

>>49713490
My mother, a former nun (obviously, given that I exist) was into Disco and won a disco dance competition to donate the money to the convent.

She recalls a priest who practiced hypno-therapy, and remembers other members of the Roman Catholic Clergy who had hobbies ranging from martial arts, conventional sports, guns, etc.

Tabletop Gaming doesn't seem so out there to me.

>>49719227
Caught in a landslide,...

Muslim here. No problems with it.

>>49719492
Here to

Salam, my brother.

>>49713490
Why do atheists always assume that people's faith is so fragile as to be threatened by clearly labeled fiction?
Maybe you want to start talking with religious people irl?

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>>49716772
Yeah, I prefer Graham McNeil when he's being a full smutlord (Fulgrim) or going full nerd.

When he starts trying to crowbar his Dawkins fanboism into things, then it just makes me cringe.

It's why I'm glad ADB did the latest book which focuses on Emps. Graham would've done Emps a disservice if the whole novel was fedora.

>>49720275
Idk, a few nutbars decide Harry Potter is the Satans, therefore all religious people have that sort of autism.
That's what the mindset almost seems like.

>>49720275

Why do you assume all atheists grow up in a vaccuum?
Perhaps you want to start talking with atheists irl?

>>49718394
Why are you surprised? 4chan is an unironic version of that Landover Baptist Church forum at this point. This thread is par for the course.

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>>49720315
>I am petulant and derailing

>>49720315
91% of internet era people grow up in an echo-chamber.

Real statistic.

>>49720422
That comes as no surprise. A friend of mine talked about that last night.

...this isn't Andrew, is it?

>>49713490

I'm not religious at all, but I'd imagine being religious does not equal not having a sense of humor and know when to keep it to themselves.

It's the same with, like being gay or something, it's only the assholes of the ideology that need to push their stuff in everybodies faces. Most people are cool about it.

>>49713490
I'm a practicing Thelemite, and I'm an alchemist, and a magus with over a dozen years of experience with both high and folk magic and I have never complained about magic in systems.

>>49713568

Ah yes, Chaotic Stupid.

>>49714088
Pretty much this.

As a religious guy with a lot of atheist or agnostic friends, I just kinda roll with the (rare) jokes and give a few barbs back - most of the time, they're considerate enough to stay light on that crap anyway

A game's a game, it's not worth getting your ass in a twist when it's just as easy to villainize atheist groups (not-soviets or something) as it is to shit on religion - it's only an issue if you and your group make it into one

>>49713490
The guys that run Miniwargaming are pretty vocal Mormons. It's a little weird when they bring it up, but they've backtracked on a lot of positions they've held based on that so it seems they've realized it's not publicly popular (no Dark Eldar, no Slaanesh, etc.).

>>49713490
Yep. I'm Catholic and I play all sorts of Tabletop stuff. It really doesn't overlap too much, and some of the nods to The Church and various things is pretty funny. I don't get why there's this idea that Religous people can't stand jokes, especially Christians

Like, am I supposed to get offended when a fictional thing makes a joke toward my religion? No thanks.

The only time I have to roll my eyes is the overly Fedora moments, when some idiot comes up with the "my atheist sister of battle" or some shit, just accept the jokes pointed at everyone, atheists included, and roll with it. Way, way more fun that way.

>>49717691
To be fair, meanings change. What it used to mean doesn't practically matter to someone whose primary language is modern English.

>>49713520

That's what I do with 4chan and my life outside of it

>>49718323
Same, fellow mormanon.

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>>49713490
>It's the "How could a religious person like 'naughty' thing" meme
Can we stop this shit. Religious people have always partaken in this type of shit. It's been going on for years. Hell, Christians back in Roman times would get front row seats to Arena events. Why would it be wrong if you're not hurting anyone?

>>49713490
I'm catholic. I also know what fiction is. I can also simply ignore bad jokes like we often do in real life.

Do you think religious people stay indoors and don't interact with anyone out of fear that someone might make a blasphemous joke? Do you live in a small town in the American South?

Religious people, contrary to what you might expect, are just like anyone else. They might be aiming to be something different but most know they're still just people. Crazy Baptists and Pentecostals are the exception, not the rule.

>>49721756
>Why would it be wrong if you're not hurting anyone?
Coming from a (somewhat lapsed) Catholic perspective, victimless sins are definitely a thing.

>>49719392
No escape from reality

>>49721767
Fellow Catholic here, and you couldn't be more right.

>>49716441
>10/10 post

>>49713490
Pagan here and I love the emperor and 40k. Then again I play Space Yiffs so it goes hand in hand.

Give me some spicy Christian tabletop memes