Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

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Illidan Stromrage waited. The lights above him blinked and sparked out of the air. There were Demons in Black Rook Hold. He didn’t see them, but had expected them now for years. His warnings to Kurtalos Ravencrest were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.
Illidan was a demon hunter for fourteen years. When he was young he watched the Druids and he said to Malfurion “I want to be Druid.”
Malfurion said “No! You will BE KILL BY DEMONS”
There was a time when he believed him. Then as he got oldered he stopped. But now in the Black Rook Hold he knew there were demons.
“This is Jarod Shadowsong” the vision crackered. “You must fight the demons!”
So Illidan gotted his Warglaives and blew up the wall.
“HE GOING TO KILL US” said the demons
“I will shoot at him” said the Pitlord and he fired the shadowbolt volley. Illidan fel rushed at him and tried to blew him up. But then the ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to kill.
“No! I must kill the demons” he shouted
Maiev said “No, Illidan. You are the demons”
And then WoW was shit.

>>49702796
nice try Xe'ra

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>>49702770
What's it like being an Elemental, anyway? What do they do when the Old Gods or the Elemental Lords or Shamans or Titan Keepers or even Mages aren't bossing them around? What do they do for fun?

>>49702831
I always tought that mages create arificial elementals...

>>49702145
He means that he can cheat and use invulnerable bubble on her even after Divine Intervention was removed from the game, despite Divine Shield being self-only spell

>>49702831
try to kill opposed elements,from what we've seen so far

Is there anything more cuck than playing a Horde Pandaren? After all that Garrosh did to them in MoP?

>>49702932
Pandaria pandaren don't give a shit about Wandering Isle pandaren, they even call them outlanders and treat them like other foreigners

>>49702932

Playing Night Elf. Seriously this is a race that has been fighting the Legion for thousands of years why are they allowing themselves to be bossed around by the Humans of the Alliance?

>>49702974
malfurion is the ultimate cuck
tyrande would've led the elves to greatness

>>49702974
Because anything the Nelves have resembling leadership/figures of authority is fucked up, to put it mildly:

>Tyrande is a millennia-old warrior with a short temper. Gets confused by any warfare tactic that isn't "sit on trees, ambush enemies with archers"
>Malfurion, like Thrall since Cataclysm, is a self-declared neutral party that can't stop hanging around one of the big 2 factions. Not that it matters, since he spends all of his time sleeping
>Cenarius died millennia ago, got resurrected in Cata, and disappeared for years only to get NIGHTMARED.com by Xavius the moment he set a hoof outside

>>49703122
>Cenarius died millennia ago

As in, about 4 years before WoW started

>>49703167
Eh, my bad. Must have mixed something up. I blame no one but myself and Mr. Ketel One.

>>49703122

Don't forget Majordomo staghelm, who got CORRUPTED.con without any buildup.

>>49702974
Over 10k years they couldn't even exterminate the Satyr.

>>49703217
You confused him with his father Malorne the white stag.
>>49703259
Staghelm was always a prick.

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What goes on amidst the posts of this thread?

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>>49703529

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>>49703122
When will she make them great again?

>>49703122
>>Tyrande is a millennia-old warrior with a short temper. Gets confused by any warfare tactic that isn't "sit on trees, ambush enemies with archers"
She wasn't confused and used a lot of different tactics in wc3.
What happened?

>>49703674
WoW and we gotta justify why +10k years old elves would listen some 20 years old human king.

>>49703674
A Little Patience and Val'sharah happened.

>>49702770
>Warcraft
>lore

>>49703674
>She wasn't confused and used a lot of different tactics in wc3.
>What happened?
She was always a wildly aggressive animal.

>>49703122
>Gets confused by any warfare tactic that isn't "sit on trees, ambush enemies with archers"
I mean I know it's shit, but exactly what kind of combat did she even see in those gorillion years. The continent was completely unknown and relatively peaceful until the noble savages arrived. All they could do is sit in trees and shoot at satyrs while thinking of all the druid dick they'd never fucking get.

>>49703742
irrelevant

>Look up 7.1 patch notes.

>Kharazan is rehashed as a 5-man.

>A new Suramar quest chain time gates to last 9 weeks

>Falcosaur invasion event

>Legion is quiet and Guldan hasn't been seen since Broken Shore

Could Blizzard at least pretend to know where the plot is headed instead of stalling?

>>49702767

How can blizzard advance the plot if they don't know where it's headed?

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>>49703259
>Without any buildup
>Was hinted to hate Malfurion for a long ass time
>Constantly shown to hate other races
>Wanted a shit ton of Morrowgrain in vanilla which was supposedly used for curses and tabo shit
>Got SATYR'd by Xavius in some shitty novel

He was always going down a dark path

>>49702852
No they just bind them thats what the manacles on their arms are for
They were too lazy to create a new model thats why wild one have them

>>49704070
I think something similar to binding manacles appear on their own, though less detailed, a collection of "Real" matter to hold them together.

>>49702852
Water elementals aren't. The Arcane ones like Khadgar uses are completely artificial, though.

>>49703961
>>Was hinted to hate Malfurion for a long ass time
Yeah seriously.
I think he said something bad about malfurion the first time I talked to him back in vanilla, or even in the beta.

>>49704172
He blamed Malfurion for removing the elves immortality without asking anyone else their opinion. He was also the one that came up with the idea of teldrassil which Malfurion opposed

>>49704189
>He blamed Malfurion for removing the elves immortality without asking anyone else their opinion.
Well it was either give up their immortality to buy a few thousand more years, or have them all die right then and there as Archimonde tore down Nordrasil.

>>49703961
I remember back when people actually gave a shit about invading the opposite factions capitals that Alliance players would stand back and let any invading Horde players kill Staghelm.

Because nobody liked Staghelm

>>49704458
I knew some people who didn't even know Tyrande existed.

>>49704471
fukkin everquest fags playin muh new hyped MMO in 2004

>>49704471
>>49704540
No, like they didn't know she was in game and thought Staghelm was the only boss of the city.

>>49704586
she was in the temple right?

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>>49702831

Are crackpot crossover theories acceptable here?

>>49704968
Is that like when artists use two characters from separate universes in the same porn scene?

>>49704968
What do you have in mind Metzen?

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>>49704995
Oh, nothing much, just Remnant from RWBY being on the other end of the Warcraft 'verse.
The moon? There was an Old God there, and Sargeras cleaved it in between the first finding of the Old Gods and talking to the other Titans about it.

The Grimm? They're basically Sha, dropped on the planet when the moon broke and the Old God's blood fell onto the planet.

Aura? It's Spirit, the fifth element, the same stuff Monks call Chi. It's in everything non-Grimm there because there's way too much of it.

Dust? There's so much overabundance of Spirit there that the Elements are all asleep. Dust is literally solidified sleeping Elemental. They're using crystallized Elementals as gunpowder.

Salem? She's a high-tier Shadow Priest.

Faunus? A slight mutation of Flesh-cursed Vrykul-alikes, same as the humans. Probably the last time one of Algalon's kin visited he grabbed a few and took them there.

The weapons? Nothing a Gnome couldn't create.

Why don't they use the Light or the Arcane? They don't know about the Light and Remnant doesn't have a baby titan in it to bleed Arcane. They also don't know about Fel.

And yes, I know it's dumb.

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>>49705177

>>49705152
Jesus Christ is that necessary to spoiler your whole fucking post

>>49705177
Not the biggest fan of how skinny the WC2 map makes the Khaz Modan part of the continent.

>>49704791
I miss old warcraft so bad.

>>49705204
Yes.

>>49703784
They had a big fucking war with the Satyr that was detailed in Chronicle. I think they also had the war of the shifting sands as well. Not to mention its possible that the lesser races like quillboar and centaur got uppity every few generations.

>>49703617
I honestly think that Jarod is better at that. He is the carrot, Maiev is the stick.

>>49704791
That water elemental is pretty hot.

>>49705501
Is anyone else bothered by him name?

I mean there is Malfurion, Maiev, Tyrande ect ect and then there's the name of a bloke I wen to school with. It just seems so out of place compared to other Night Elves.

>>49705643
welcome to the magical world of self inserts via knaak.

>>49703850
>Legion is quiet and Guldan hasn't been seen since Broken Shore
Nighthold?

>>49703850
Plot is pretty clearly headed back towards tomb of sargeras.

>>49705207
Potato khaz modan is the worst sin of world of warcraft

>>49705710
Is that were it came from? I mean I suspected as much, but still. He couldn't have come up with a better name then? Even that mage who was dicking Windrunner 2 had a name that sounded appropriate for a fantasy setting and he was another self insert wasn't he?

>>49703850
Dude hes the fucking final boss of Nighthold

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Man, I love thunderlord transmogs, minus the dumb belt and hat. Perfect for druids and rogues.

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>>49701479

So were the zones in all the expansions except Cataclysm. And even cata had some good spots.

>>49701541
That still goes one unfortunately. BC is my faviorite because of the sheer unworldliness of it.

>>49701672
It did have some nice zones, it had too because blizz would have lost players if all of them were snow tundras. Wrath had some decent exploring, but it pales in comparison to Vanilla (new game smell) and Mists.

>>49702264
Or Yrel is AU Maraad.

>>49705915
>tfw finally got The Black Hand to finish my Blackrock Plate mog

>>49706250
>BC is my faviorite because of the sheer unworldliness of it.


This
you step on the planet side of the dark portal and when the game finishes loading you are on the other side of it.
The sky is alien. There are demons raining down. Alliance and horde forces barely holding on to the portal.
It was incredible.

Also.
>legion finally invades
>vindicator maraad is dead.

>>49704342
And then Archimonde survived and it was shown that ~25 murderhobos can kick his ass just fine without wisps or sacrificing anything.

>>49705381
Aside from the War of Shifting Sands, most of that would fall into the "stealth archers in the forest" tactic. Post-Sundering night elves don't seem to have been particularly expansionistic: they seems to have mostly stayed in the forests of norther Kalimdor (Ashanvale, Windterspring, Moonglade, Hyjal etc.), plus the one settlement in Feralas. You don't really see any notable night elf presence in areas that aren't covered with forests. So they probably just ignored any guilboars and centaurs as long as they stayed away from the forests, and stealth archered them to death if they did. Satyrs also seem to primarily found in the forests, rather than places like the Barrens or Tanaris.

War of the Shifting Sands seems to be the only notable exception, as C'thun and the qiragi were a big enough threat that the night elves actually had to go on the offensive and deal with them before they could grow in power and launch an invasion on the rest of Kalimdor.

>>49706517
Wasn't Staghelm in command for the WotSS instead of Tyrande?

>>49706517

Forget expansionist, the Night Elves weren't even interested in rebuilding the civilization they had. 10,000 years and virtually all of their holdings outside of Hyjal were still in ruins. We don't even know for sure when most of the Nelf settlements we see in WoW were built, many of them could have been after WC3.

Which makes sense to an extent. If you're immortal and all your men are asleep, why bother with the trouble of maintaining a civilization when you can just be immortal gargoyles watching from the trees for demons?

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>>49706480
>vindicator maraad is dead
I'm still mad. We finally get a Draenei worth a damn, and he gets killed off to save some bitch that will never be relevant again.

>>49706574
their society was also quite shaken up from the war. Nearly all their men were now becoming druids while women became the religious police patrolling the forest with the ancients.
Even their buildings took on a more militaristic approach.
I suppose they became more harmonized with nature and built small and sustainable ecosystems rather than big huge cities.

who is the best orc and why is it based Nazgrim

>>49706480
I like TBC's "weirder" tone, but I feel it would've made more sense to release Wrath first.

The last major content tpath in vanilla before the TBC pre-patch was Naxxramas and the Scourge invasion, whoch would have served as a pretty obvious springboard for launching a counterattack on Northrend (instead of going to Outland to kick Illidan's ass, and then remembering the Lich King is a thing when there's another Scourge invasion).
Plus tone-wise Wrath is less of a departure from vanilla. For the most part what you encounter is fairly standard fantasy stuff (undead, giants, dragons, more undead, undead giants and dragons...), with the notable exception of Ulduar, but that's pretty contained to the one zone and to me at least managed to not feel all that out of place (we've already established the titans were an ancient and very advanced race of space demigods, so them having super-advanced magitech didn't feel particularly odd). Most of the grean you get in Wrath is also very down to earth looking, downright boring even for the levelling gear.

Doing Wrath first and then TBC would probably made more sense for the flow of the story (at end of vanilla Scourge attacks and we go and deal with the Lich King, defeating on of the biggest threats on Azeroth. But then the Dark Portal opens and we'll have to go stop the Legion from invading through it), and style-wise (rather than going from the most down to earth vanilla, to crystal laser battleaxes, to back to more traditional fantasy stuff, you'd have the stuff in Ulduar to introduce the concept that fancy magitech is a thing in the universe, and then go all out with the dimension ships, glowing crystals, energy beings and stuff).

>>49706578
Wait, wasn't it AU Maraad the one that died? Also, related, do we have two Garonas now? (Iirc seeing her while questing in Twilight highlands, did she survive the expac?)
>>49706590
Nazgrim is based and all, but he's also gone insane.
>Implying Varok Saurfang ain't the best.

>>49706618
>Wait, wasn't it AU Maraad the one that died?
nope. Maraad was the leader of the Alliance forces on Draenor if there's a Horde commander

>>49706618

No, it was our Maraad that died. I think AU Maraad was still a kid, or even dead. We never see him. There was a theory that Yrel actually WAS parallel Maraad for a while.

We have two Garonas, as Original Garona is one of the Uncrowned in the Rogue class hall. But AU Garona probably stayed on Draenor.

>>49706606
I agree with you. We could've had Ulduar be a Quel'Danas esque final patch, and it sets up "shit guys there's space ships" to account for the Tempest Keep thing. We get our first laser axe and go through the portal.

>>49706559
I think so. IIRC his son died in the war, and that's the reason he became such a bitter asshole.

>>49706574
>>49706586
Post-War of the Ancients night elf architecture is completely different from pre-war. Before the war they built those big marbel towers and temples you see in runs all over Kalimdor, while newer night elf construction is mostly made from wood (some stone as well, but far simpler in style). You see a lot of the newer nigh elf buildings in Ashenvale, Moonglaed and other neaby zones, which makes sense given that that's where they have been mostly living since the Sundering (IIRC, the big-ish night elf town in Ahenvale was canonically their capital until after WC3 when they made Teldrassil. It's probably supposed to be bigger "in real life" than in the game, where it has like 10 houses).

>>49706618
AU Maraad never appeared in the game, so there's a pretty good chanse he died before WoD expansion began. The Maraad in the game is MU Maraad, who'se part of the force storming the Dark Portal along with the player character in the beginning of the WoD storyline.

>>49706661

Still, you can't deny that the Nelves didn't even resettle more than, say, half of their previous territory (not counting what was underwater of course.) When WoW launched the eastern half of Ashenvale was almost totally uninhabited by Nelves other than a military outpost that was almost certainly set up after WC3 to resist Horde aggression. Azshara didn't have a single Night Elf outpost anywhere. And we have no idea when Feathermoon Stronghold was built, and it was their only settlement in Ferelas, everything else being ruins or under Highborne control. Same goes for their little outpost in Desolace. I don't think the Nelves even had any real settlement in Winterspring, Starfall Village is just one building!

If we reasonably assume those were either build or resettled after the Third War, then the southern-most territory that the Nelves had actually rebuilt and lived in actively after the Sundering was the Northern tip of Stonetalon. Which means that in rough terms, they'd left about half of their surviving lands basically untouched and certainly unsettled. Half of Ashenvale, Hyjal, Moonbrook, Felwood and Darkshore are the only places with signs of permanent post-Sundering rebuilding. Huge stretches of land that by all accounts is theirs are totally empty except for the decaying remains of what was once there.

>>49706768
half of their population was hibernating for a long time, and they were continuously on the vigil for demonic and arcane taint. I wonder how much of pre sundering NELF architecture was built via arcane means.

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Kul'tiras will make an appearance in a future patch.

Are you hyped /tg/?

>>49706923
>kul'tiras got corrupted by ze demons
>go and kill ever living fuck out of them

Don't get your hopes up, they'll probably do some shit like that.

>>49706943

>Not Jaina killing her dad and taking over so we need to disguise ourselves and forment a rebellion with a bunch of terrorists while reaching exalted rep over 9 months.

>>49706957
Fucking nightborne.

>>49706957
>rep over 9 months.

I got exalted a week ago. Is it really taking people that long.

>>49706957
Jaina already has committed patricide but given that no one stays dead in Warcraft anyway her doing so again wouldn't be surprising.

>>49707135
>but given that no one stays dead in Warcraft anyway her doing so again wouldn't be surprising.
DKs send their followers to hell to kill Daelen's soul. He's already double dead

>>49707124

That was the appetizer. Blizz hasn't given you the main course yet.

>>49703550
Huh, seems reasonable.

>>49706957
Dad's already dead, mate

You might be right we'll have to fight Jaina though.

All I've ever wanted was to go to Kul'Tiras and fight for it, not in it. Curse you monkey paw

>>49703850
I think Blizzard is trying to avoid "demon fatigue". One of the recurring complaints about WoD was "too much orcs" (no, shit, the expansion called "Warlords of Draenor", where you go to the orc homeworld of Draenor to fight the orchish horde led by the titular orc warlords of Draenor, has too many orcs in it?), so now they're giving us lots of other things to do as well, rather than just throw demons at us. In fact, there's been surprisingly little demons so far. The only zone, aside from Broken Shore/Tomb of Sargeras that really has a major Legion presence is Azuna, and even there it's mostly confined to two islands (Vault of Wardens and the place the Illidari are camped at). Highmountain and Stormheim has some of the native population converted to the Legion's side but not much demons, Val'shara has the Nightmare which is used by the now Legion-aligned Xavius (he's switched sides more than Cho'gal at this point) but was originally made by the Old Gods and has their aesthetics, and Suramar has demons patrolling the streets but only that one Legion hold where you see their own architecture.

In any case, Gul'dan and the Legion will feature heavily in the Suramar raid added in 7.1, and we're sure to get a full demon-themed raid eventually with the Tob of Sargeras.

>>49706590
>loses almost his entire force 5 minutes after landing on Pandaria
>gets super salty when the locals don't want to join his Garrosh fan club
>the only people who put up with him are shit-flinging monkeys
Nazgrim was a loser.

>>49707388
>In any case, Gul'dan and the Legion will feature heavily in the Suramar raid added in 7.1,
Nighthold is 7.2, and I think we're fighting Gul'dan in Nighthold in the Tomb of Sargeras

>>49707388
>>49707422

And then after the final boss runs away from us we jump on board the Exodar and pursue him into the Nether, get ready for Attack on Argus in 2018!

>>49707225
It could be his AU Dad!!!

If Thrall had to fight a AU Blackmoore why not a AU Proudmore?

> In a AU Azeroth, Admiral Proudmore befriended the orc Eitrigg and learned to respect the Orc culture and way of life. After the Siege of Dalaran, Jaina Proudmore travels back in time, dethrone her father, destroy AU Horde and unify the Alliance to invade current Azeroth and destroy the Horde on all universes.
> Coming soon, the next expansion... The Warkings of Azeroth.

Iits so bad that you know that blizzard is capable of doing it...

>>49707528
Actually.... It could be the Siege Of Storwind after all. Sylvanas just do a lot of shit. Jaina allies with Greymane, Moira and all Alliance cunts to dethrone Anduin because "Horde is a bunch of monsters and our King is Sylvanas bitch", she fails and then travels back in time to receive help from her father...

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Azshara's deal with the Old Gods turned out to be slightly less dignified than she'd hoped.

>>49707595
Could someone translate the Vodkarunes to English?

>>49707595
That Azshara looks a lot like Sylvanas.

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How come King Varian never talks about his mulatto heritage?

>>49708066

His mom has never been seen in the game universe, the character is new to the movie. But Varian always looked a bit brown.

>>49706923
Or it was supposed to appear in the Legion and it was scrapped, leaving one unfinished model in the files.... like a ton of stuff before.

Don't get your hopes up

>>49707448
I'm unironically looking forward to that.

I know I'll be disappointed, but still.

>>49706640
Maraad was well old enough to be an adult. Remember, MU Maraad was already a soldier in Shattrath the first time the Horde rose up against them.
I would have liked a quest where Yrel goes to try and find AU Maraad because she still lusts after MU Maraad's dick.
Only for AU Maraad to turn out to be gay.

>affliction lock artifact quest ruins the lore of the Dark Riders and is a carbon copy of balance and unholy's
>demolock artifact quest is basically havoc's but easier and less fun
>destrolock artifact quest is one of the best in the game, second only to frost DK
the disparity in fun and story engagement between specs within each class is funny to watch

>>49707631

>Q : Make cosplay to character from Blizzard universe.
>A : Ha-ha! Is there something that could spoil my beauty?!

>>49708404
Thanks Russianon.

>>49707388
For an expansion called "Legion", there is indeed surprisingly little of the Legion. Even in Azuna they're pretty much a sidenote, with the main storyline of the zone having more to do with the naga.
Also, despite being the hot new class and having Illidan's face plaster all over the box, demon hunters also aren't really up to much. Their biggest involvement is barely holding off the demon attack in Azuna, and beyond that they have two other smaller camps in Azuna and one in Highmountain, plus a few solitary NPCs in other zones (including Marius from Marius and Tedh, who show up in every zone by Suramar). DKs didn't really have much presence in Wrath until Icecrown Glacier, either, but at least they had a faction you could gain rep with and were involved in a lot of quests in that zone.

>>49708333
Destrolocks are actually the unsung heroes of the expansion. They steal the scepter of Sargeras, which the Legion was planning to use in a ritual to open tons of portals as big as the one in the Tomb of Sargeras. Sealing the portal in ToS is in itself a massive enough undertaking that the entire expansion basically revolves around it (that's the main reason we go to the Broken Isles, as we need to find the artefacts that are the only thing that can close the portal), so imagine what would've happened if the Legion could've opened dozens of portals like that wherever they pleased.

>>49708715
>so imagine what would've happened if the Legion could've opened dozens of portals like that wherever they pleased.
Azeroth would have exploded much like Draenor did when a shitton of random ass giant portals to other worlds were tore open.

>>49708279
>Only for AU Maraad to turn out to be gay.
Sad part about this is that rather than an amusing twist, the audience would receive this as either outrageous pandering or deep and insightful conclusion

GLORIA

So, someone is shitposting on /v/ that blizz will bring back legacy servers.
will you guys play if it happens?

>>49709163
HONOFICE

>>49709179
PRAELIUM FACIO

>>49705848
>>49705643
It isn't pronounced "Jared".

>>49709165
I'll make a char on one and occasionally visit it during content draughts.
Maybe more, depending on who else goes there.

>>49706638
>if there's a Horde commander
Either Thrall or Liadrin.

>>49709145
Yeah, you're right. If that happened, we'd have to deal with constant "REEEEEEEEEEEEE! ESS JAY DUBYA! RUININ MUH WARCRAFTS!"

>>49707448
I doubt Argus is going to be a full expansion. I'm betting it'll be a raid; maybe a Quel'Danas type patch at most.

>>49706923
Stop this fucking kul'tiras meme already. It's never going to happen, you cucks need to deal with it.

>>49709299
That would seem like a waste of potential.

I can see why places like Deepholm and Firelands ended up as a single zone, since it would probably be hard to come up with sufficiently varied multiple zones themed after a single element, but here's a whole world, much like Outland.

>>49709317

Expansion where instead of Garrison or Class halls the players have a ship.

Tel'abim, Kul Tiras, Zandalar...

>>49709317
they already showed kul'tiras mariners in the game in legion.

>>49709334
Never going to happen because it's a shit idea.

>>49709340
Those could well be just relics of abandoned content though, as >>49708125 pointed out.

>>49709353
I know. it's probably the latter.
Same with agewynn's tower which looks like a bretonnian tower desu.

SEGA and Blizzard teamup when?

>>49709165
I'll definitely try it out and see if I can get to 60, or be bored to tears. I do have a lot of Netflix backlog to watch...

>>49708066
He really is a KANG he doesn't have to go about screaming WE WUZ

>>49709329
Yeah, but Blizzard's not going to do two Burning Legion-themed expansions in a row, especially not with the heavy teasings that the Old Gods are going to make a big blow-out.

Of course, the Argus expansion COULD be twisted into a Void expansion, I supposed.

>>49708242
>>49709299
>>49709496

>World of Warcraft: No Man's S....Erm I mean Attack on Argus

>You are now Commander in charge of the Alliance Mission to retake Argus
>From your Garr....Bridge of the Exodar (Don't worry theres a portal to Azerothanytime you want) you can look at the Mission table and send out your followers on missions to mine asteroids in order to acquire resources and ship upgrades
>Can explore up to 6 gorillion RNG rendered planets with their own World Quests

You know its gonna happen

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>>49709165
I'd make a character to remind myself why I hated being a Druid in vanilla.

>>49709630

What you didn't like running the flag in WSG and innervating your Priest pals?

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>>49709630
>something like the druid code and the friendly tauren teaching people how to play druid on the wow forums will not exist in today's day and age

When did I become so old?

>>49709889
At least you'll always know that Sum durids is bare

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>>49709683
>running the flag in WSG

Fun as a Raid-geared feral druid; anything that wasn't a Warlock was a free HK to me. Dull as fuck as resto.

>innervating your priest pals

That's literally all you're good for besides MotW. Not to mention mana-conservation is a trait most priests don't know about until Razorgore.

Oh, and leveling as feral or Balance was not an option for most of Vanilla. You did more DPS meleeing shit in caster form resto specced.

>>49709889
>Durids must always HALP echoter!

The old ways died in BC and Wrath when all the FotM rerolls jumped into the arena. Won't lie, It kinda bothers me that Wrath-babies amd Cata-kitties think that they have seniority.

>>49710123
>spoiler.
fuck. I teared up a little.

>>49709347
youre a shit idea

>>49709889
That was only really possible for the same reason playing druids sucked in vanilla. In fact, it was a direct result of druids being terrible. Very few people played them (there were less A+H druids on most servers than there were shamans, who were Horde only and not especially numerous), so the druid community was smaller and more tightly knit than with other classes, and there was a sense of sharing each others hardships (which led to stuff like the druid code, ie. "Durid must always HALP eachoter!"). It lasted in some form after druids were partially fixed and became somewhat more popular, but finally died when in TBC the amount of druids suddenly increased by an order of magnitude due to them being really good for arena pvp.

What I do miss in general from vanilla is the sense of community.
I remember way back when I played in vanilla, there was this one really good raiding guild, whose main tank was also the High Warlord (highest pvp rank on Horde side). Guy was called Fahzd or something. Tauren warrior. Pretty much everybody on Horde side (probably Alliance as well) knew him.
Once when I was screwing around on my warlock and decided to swim up to that one island off the coast of Feralas to see what's there, I ran into him and a few other people in his guild. They were doing a part of the AQ gate questline, and since they didn't have a warlock they asked me to help summon some of their guildmates (back then there was no summoning closet, and each summon cost one soul shard, so it was a pain in the ass). Some time later, I was in Org, and noticed him standing in the the pvp hall, looking all majestic (read: semi-afking while waiting for the BG to start) in his High Warlord gear. There was a low level orc and troll jumping in front of him, waving and trying to elict as response from him, and I just walked up to him and said hi, which got him to wave back and say hi. And the two lowbies were amazed that I got the legendary warlord to speak to me.

>>49711127
While I generally like how WoW is now, the crossrealm systems really destroyed the server community feel. Not everyone on your server as actually part of your server, and the chances of you ending up in the same dungeon group as someone else on your server is very small.

I do understand why they implemented the crossrealm stuff, especially for LFG and LFR, but there's not much of a sense of community anymore. And perhaps even worse, there's barely any consequences for quitting an instance group for dirtbag reasons, because they can't pass around that you're a bad egg. Although, really, there should be mechanical consequences for dropping from a group.

>>49712141
>I do understand why they implemented the crossrealm stuff, especially for LFG and LFR
Is it because they can't handle the bad press of server merges?

>>49712168
More because without it, LFG/LFR would take hours, instead of only about 10~ minutes.

That may be part of it, though.

>>49712141
Yeah. Currently the only person on my server/servers (they merged a few low-pop servers together) is one asshole who spams the trade chat and everybody hates.

LFG/LFR is definitely improvement from having to sit in Org/IF all day spamming "LFM Strat UD" or whatever, but all the cross-realm stuff also removed the sense of community.

>>49712141
>>49712366
I understand the LFG/LFR changes but not the cross realm shit. They should have stopped there and left the cities and zones as they were.

>>49712403
>I understand the LFG/LFR changes but not the cross realm shit.

Dead servers.

>>49706923
Maybe Jaina goes there to rally any survivors and attack both the alliance and the horde and that's how she becomes a raid boss.

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What is the chemical composition of Fel?

>>49714276
Sulfuric acid and concentrated suffering.

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>>49714304
> yfw we're all one car battery away from unlocking the power of the twisting nether.

What the hell is wrong with the harpies?

>>49714540
Not enough void exposure.

>>49714276
Iron and Iodine

>>49714540
Aviana died and they made some bad choices while they were depressed.

>>49714637
Holy fucking kek.

>>49714540
not enough dick, same reason Tyrande and Maiev are such cunts

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Finished the Illidan raid thing.

Xe'ra talking down to you doesn't seem so bad to me (although maybe because I'm a Death Knight and/or didn't do Black Temple). I'd hardly even call it condescending, outside of maybe the title "Witness True Betrayal," which I think is more just a play on words with Illidan's title "The Betrayer."

Seems like it was blown out of proportion, unless I'm missing something.

>>49714637
>Iron and Iodine

You cheeky cunt.

Curiously enough, iron iodide DOES have a sickly green colour.

>>49714925
We're on to something.

We need to go deeper.

>>49715068
>a completely different universe where earth doesn't exist
>Africans

>>49715138

okay, let me restate it so as not to trigger your autism

>human king has the blood of dark skinned fantasy humans who share real life african facial characteristics

>>49715138
Don't respond to /pol/ bait.
Report and ignore is the only way to save threads from being derailed.

>>49714920
I refuse to do that questline. Fuck Xe'ra.

>>49708066
That's only in the movie. WoW Varian is 100% white.

>>49714920
People are more pissed that whoever wrote the shitty quest line completely misunderstood who Illidan was as a character and why people liked him.

He went from being this crazy, power hungry bastard who only looked out for himself (and Tyrande) to this holier than though whiny bastard who did no wrong.

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>Legion would not have found Azeroth if not for Orcs and Elves

Was he right /tg/?

>>49715952
The only option left to us is to drown ourselves in the power of the void and let its blessing saturate our very being. Such will lead to our victory, trust us.

>>49715952
him and Admiral Proudmoore only became right about orcs retroactively because Kosak is an idiot

>>49716071
No king rules forever, not even the Void Lords.

They too must one day perish. Only death is eternal.

>>49716137
death is for the living

It makes me really happy for some reason when Helya says "What manner of creatures are you!" When you fight her in Maw of Souls.

>>49714920
>we hired a 12 year old to explain our retcon to you the quest

>>49716242
Maw of Souls is a pretty neat dungeon in general
especially since it's probably the most challenging dungeon on normal mythic
going into Hell and killing everything should be hard

>>49716242
>>49716476

THE FLESH BURDENS THE SOUL

>>49716589
NO PREY NO PAY
NOW SECURE THE NAGLFAR

>>49716638
>>49716589
THE WINDS OF THE FROZEN NORTH STILL HOWL IN THESE VEINS
>tfw the kings you fight in HoV are the same ones Ymiron draws power from in Utgarde Pinnacle
that was a neat touch

>>49717367
And then warriors make him their bitch, somthing he is understandably pissed about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMsCdc3OBG8

>>49715584

Illidan had the whole "doing bad things for the good of his people" thing since WC3 and WotA.

>Leader of all of the Alliance/Horde Forces on Draenor
>Leader of every single member of your class

What next for the almighty player character?

>>49718177
Obviously leader of the entire united Azeroth in a final battle with the legion

>>49718177
leader of the Army of the Light
even if they're a warlock, shadow priest or DK

>>49718177
Warchief of the Horde or High King/Queen of the Alliance

>>49718363
>Anduin dies.
>His heir is a fucking Gnome.

>>49718177

Captain of the Exodar. We are going to Argus.

>>49718177

Leeroy and whoever was that dude that got the Ashbringer both technically got their bailouts by shoving themselves into bit, but concrete roles, but I doubt either of them are still around.

>>49718436
>be draenei
>exodar needs a new captain
>guys, i know this one really great orc warlock that fucks succubii every night
>we have our new captain

>>49718456
After 5 years, the Blood Elves finally get on the space ship that got away from them.

>>49718352
If Illidan can be a champion of the Light, anyone can.

>>49718554
Illidan then:
>power hungry but at least somewhat well meaning jerk that couldn't accept that tyrande chose malfurio over him
Illidan now:
>horned jesus

>>49718352
>>49718456

Eh, no more ridiculous than a Draenei Shaman being given Ogrim Doomhammers weapon by Thrall.

>>49718456
>ywn be an Orc Warlock who is creepy, but well-meaning
>ywn tell everyone your tale, of how your grandfather was a shaman before the Legion enslaved your people
>ywn tell people that you became a Warlock so you could enslave the demons, and laugh about the shoe being on the other foot
>ywn otherwise be a fairly mild-mannered individual, even forcing your team of Succubi to work at soup kitchens instead of seducing mortals, and making Felhounds serve as guard dogs for orphanages
>ywn use fel fire for mundane purposes such as baking brownies and lighting campfires

>>49714920
1. he's more of a dick towards vanilla+tbc classes
2. this >>49715584

Have you ever even been to the black temple?
Memes about sacrificing everything notwithstanding, those were not works of a good guy.

>>49718790
>orc backpedalling

>>49708066

I don't see what you're referring to. Every character in that image looks pretty white, to me?

>>49703122
How does nelf society even fucking works ? Males are all gay or asleep, and due that the females are all into bestiality or worse.

>>49716137
>>49716071

You know, I think in one of the in-game arakkoa books, there's a bit about Anzu speaking to the "gods of the abyss" and finding them to be "dull and witless", so he ignored them.

>>49718837
>even worse: somehow those two warlocks are best friends
>one is evil and cops to it, the other doesn't seem to realize what's wrong with his stated reasons
>and they're both really creepy

>>49718790
I'd rather an orc warlock be extremely dedicated and focused on his job of being the first line of defense against demonic corruption in the Horde. The primary means by which the Horde can avoid producing another Gul'dan

>>49718970
polite reminder that r34 is not canon

>>49718970
I wonder how many of the druids woke up to find that their gfs, waifus and whatever what had either become zoophiles or lesbians during the long sleep.

>>49719194
all of them except Malf
why do you think so many female night elves became druids between WC3 and WoW? They wanted that bear dick

>>49718456
Alliance will have Exodar...

Horde will use Tempest Keep.

>>49719785
>Horde will use Tempest Keep.

Im okay with this, especially if it is filled with blood golems

>>49719836
>Horde drops blood golems all over Argus
>demons can't corrupt something that's already made of pure anger
>follows it up with a few mana bombs
>Legion who

>>49708066
>Taria
>Mulatto
Fucking genetics, she always reminds me of a part-flip girl I knew.

>>49715138
In this case, white and black team up to kill green

>>49702954

No man, as of Siege of Orgrimmar Garrosh had rounded up most of the Horde Pandaren faction, along with as many trolls as he could find and was torturing the leaders for information, and starving/executing the rest of them for reasons.

Garrosh had gone full retard by the end.

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>>49721045
>Garrosh had gone full retard by the end.

Garrosh was right.

>>49721138
>hey, let's piss off Azeroth's SWAT team along with the others!
Nah, he was an idiot. A good aligned idiot, but idiot nonetheless

>>49721196
Garrosh didn't piss off the Ebon Blade though

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>>49718970
>>49719099
I kek'd because he sounded like a homophobic Russian.

>>49721831
I'm talking about 25 operatives, who had also rekt every single villian on Azeroth.

>>49721138
>shit gets 2hard4thrall due to deathwing's shitfit
>fuck it ur in charge now garrosh
>thrall i'm not a diplomat, can't you put someone else in charge
>fak u, i'm going to do shaman stuff and fuck bitches, see you later sucker
>couple years and dimension or two later
>sorry garrosh but ur totally are the guy who is to blame for all of this ps. you know that unarmored duel that i challenged you into? i'm gonna come in full armor anyway and there is nothing that you can do to stop me

>>49718177
Receive Essence from Kerrigan and ascend into a Xel'naga.

And then Thrall becomes a drunk and reminisces about the events of his life.

>>49722055

Uber Town?

>>49722271
>in Cata Johnny Awesome was a level 21 alt
>but in BC he was part of a world first Illidan kill
fucking retcons

>>49722291
>but in BC he was part of a world first Illidan kill
While afk, the madman

>>49722291

My theory is he sold his character during Wrath and had to start fresh

>>49718177

I don't know if I'm the leader of my class as a mage, it went more like...
>We need to reform an ancient secret society of mages to battle the Legion
>But none of us want to do all the work
>Also we need a fall guy if the people of Dalaran find out we basically formed a shadow government
>Hey sucker want to be an Archmage?

>>49722475
that's pretty much how the hunter one seems to be going to
>there's a secret society of hunters that's existed since the War of the Ancients, but no one knew until now
>you're in faggot, go find all this shit for us and then play Island Troll Tribes with Rexxar so he doesn't get lonely

>>49722475
>>49722603

Honestly, the only class hall that makes you really feel in charge is the warlock one

And possibly the DK one by the end of the campaign

>>49722647
pretty much
the warlock quests make Ritssyn feel like your right hand man where all the other ones (except for DKs) make you feel like you're taking orders from someone who's nominally a subordinate

Does anyone have the Warcraft RPG books?

>>49722837
Yup.
original book + horde player guide. You wanna know somethigns in particular about them ? Classes ? Shitty illustrations ?

>>49719194
>I wonder how many of the druids woke up to find that their families, friends, loved ones are dead.

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I've been running a theory that the Ebon Blade's attack on Light's Hope Chapel was less about raising Tirion or killing Mograine, and more about the Lich King testing to see if they'll follow his orders/directions without question.

>>49723131
>wrath of the lich king 2 - the sick burns edition

>>49722701
I don't think Odyn is "nominally a subordinate"

MOAR WERK?

>>49722701
You forget Calidus.

This is all his master plan to get back at the legion bullies by sending a mortal after them.

>>49708083
>warrior king trained for combat since 10
>got in many adventures and wars
>expect him to be white as a snowflake

Do you ever go out?

>>49724143
SUMTHING NEED DOING?

>>49724143
RIGHTO

>>49724143
A horse kicked me once, it hurt

>>49722701

DH's has you in charge, but in a substitute teacher kind of way.

>>49725419
As DH I still felt more like Kayn/Altruis is the guy in charge of the organisation, and I'm just the number 1 demon slayer guy rather than the big boss. Although Illidan does name you as the leader until he gets his soul out of the Nether.

>>49721138
Hell yeah Garrosh did nothing wrong.

Thrall set him up. He manipulated all other horde leaders against Garrosh and in the end he cheated in Mag'gora. Thrall is a void lord.

>>49725720
>Turns out both Trall and Jaina have been replaced with Dreadlords sometime between Wrath and Cataclysm.

>>49725720
Garrosh was just Thrall's fall guy.

FROSTMOURNE HUNGERS

>>49722291
It wasn't world first though, the raid had BT drops and it was evident that it was just a weekly farm, hence the AFK Johnny Awesome.

>>49722879
Man did they even do an alliance guide?

>>49718970
It astounds me to this day that it was so completely unfathomable to people that maybe, just maaaaybe, not all of the Sentinels were female and not all of the druids were male to start with, but apparently the majority of WoW players was too stupid to understand that just because you have only one model to represent an archer in Warcraft 3, it doesn't follow that all night elf units must be female by default.

I mean Blizzard just did the economically smart thing: Create a one-size-fits-all representation that's simple enough that player imagination has sufficient room to fill the gaps according to their preferences.

Now they had to go with their own consumerbase's retardation and are too far down the rabbithole.

>>49727597
Unless I'm mistaken (or it has been retconned, which amounts to basically the same thing), in Night Elf society, the men were tasked with religion/spiritual well being (a.k.a. Druidism), while the women formed the bulk of the military forces and priestesses of Elune. With WoW, things changed a bit (hell, the druid in vanilla's cinematic is a female nelf), but, lorewise, the majority of druids can probably be assumed to be male, hence the "all the men were sleeping" jokes.

>>49727597
>>49727806
I just figured that, at least in part, the druids were not sleeping 100% of the time, and did wake on occasion either in times of need, or simply to spend a few years with loved ones.

>>49727806
>>49727839
The Chronicles retconned that the druids were asleep all the time for 10'000 years into being awake for short periods of time, although I'm not sure anymore on Malfurion.

My point is:

Because warcraft 3 had male models for druids and female ones for the sentinels, the community has drawn conclusion that all druids must be male and all sentinels must be female, although it could just as well be that blizzard just made this design choice becaue it was flashy but didn't necessarily represent the actual night elf society at the time and/or they didn't have the technology to do this representation justice.

It would have been the easiest step to address the sudden change of gender ratio in both military and druidism by vanilla with declaring "We didn't have the resources at the time, but there definitely were male sentinels and female druids!", but Blizzard continued to dig their own graves. Of all the retcons, this one would have been the only actually sensible one and they didn't do it. And I bet that it was the fanbase's stubborn incapability to compute that not everything you see in-game is to be taken at facevalue, especially with the generally stylised design of Warcraft.

>>49728080
>The Chronicles retconned that the druids were asleep all the time for 10'000 years into being awake for short periods of time, although I'm not sure anymore on Malfurion.


Man, I really have to finish reading Chronicles. I think I stopped around the Mantid bit at the beginning of Chapter/Part III.

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Chronicle #2 should be pretty good, right? More substance to WC1-WC3? No pandaren things in-between what you really want to read about?

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>>49728201
That is one hell of a nostalgic picture.

And one I fapped to about as often as Tyrande's face.

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>>49728242
Not the one I meant to send.

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>>49728242
>>49728305
l-lewd


You can still find all the old wallpapers online.
https://web.archive.org/web/20071116065552/http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/wallpapers.html (scroll down for vanilla, the 2004 snapshot isn't as reliable as the post-BC ones)
The other Korean one is all sorts of fucked.

>>49728201
Man, this picture still makes no sense to me even twelve years after vanilla.

First of all, Tauren were much more composed and well postured than this picture would indicate, at least in most canonical sources from blizzard at the time of the warcraft 3 - WoW transition period. They were far too non-bestial despite being the only "beastrace" at the time. Also, mostly due to the whole Cenarion Circle druid friendship thing and the fact the two races had lived in relative harmoney up to this point, having a Tauren attack a Night Elf like a rapehorse is just contradictory to the canon and is confusing me.

I would have expected a troll to be this murderous towards a night elf, actually a Warsong Orc would have made the most sense overall.

If Tauren and night elf fought, it would make much more sense in my book that the two would have an honourable stand-off with manly tears shed.

>>49728305
>Those canines
From my body rises an arousal that will shake the foundations of the world.

>>49728376
Tauren are a whole species.
Not only do you have whole evil factions of them, they vary by individual too.

Consider mr. Smite.

>>49728376
The picture is weird all-around.

Hell, the girl in it really doesn't even look like a night elf. Fennec fox ears, light skin, blonde-ish hair. One might assume she was supposed to be a blood elf, except that they were barely a thing in vanilla WoW and, again the fox ears.

The whole thing clearly suffers from artistic license from someone who isn't even remotely familiar with the franchise.

>>49728376
I think the most you can say about the picture is that Koreans have a monster fetish.

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>>49728080
>the community has drawn conclusion that all druids must be male and all sentinels must be female
Yeah they're really odd fucking conclusions.

>Women. They're women
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfTfBFasYvY

>>49728510
It is fortunate that mmo-induced suffrage gave shadowmeld to male elves as well.

by the way there is an in game archaeological find that shows how the nelf society embraced the traditionally incorrect job pairings (priest and druidess) although I don't recall if this sex revolution occurred after archimonde's setback at hyjal...

>>49728510
Fine, the written evidence supports this rigid split. I give.

My only argument here is: What if the Sentinels are a singular corps of the night elf military? That would mean the entirety of the military would utilise male soldiers in some form, possibly as hunters and archers.

I simply fail to see how, when WoW came around, it was apparently impossible to count on the player's suspension of disbelief to introduce a more sensible societal concept right off the bat and continue with the mindset that an entire race had been so divided by a religious schism for 10'000 years.

>>49728661
>would utilise male soldiers in some form, possibly as hunters and archers.
Why as hunters and archers when the two most iconic parts of the night elven female warriors are called huntresses and archers?

>I simply fail to see how, when WoW came around, it was apparently impossible to count on the player's suspension of disbelief to introduce a more sensible societal concept right off the bat and continue with the mindset that an entire race had been so divided by a religious schism for 10'000 years.
>when WoW came around
>right off the bat

>and continue with
Do you mean than to continue with?

>>49728425
yeah, I don't know who decided elves need vampire fangs, but I approve
especially Sylvanas' in Legion

>>49728847
I mean it would have been much better for Blizzard to make an official statement when they announced Nelves as playable race in WoW declaring that the strict gender division from Warcraft 3 was not actually to be taken at face value and that they officially retconned it in WoW instead of expanding on a piece of lore that was already wonky and could only lead to awkward bends and twists in the future.

>>49730191
>I mean it would have been much better for Blizzard
Better for Blizzard?
How?
Would they have earned more money if they had done that?
Maybe. I don't know and I don't think I can know.

>on a piece of lore that was already wonky
How is a culture having different gender roles wonky?

>and could only lead to awkward bends and twists in the future.
If you're trying to make a bland mmo and cater to the snowflake who really wants a female druid sure. Wasn't a problem for blizzard anyway.

Advocating for them to retcon even more is pretty disgusting to be frank.

>>49730097

Thats what happens when you are mutated from Trolls

>>49705152
But now I can easily ship my character with Nora and cuck the shit out of Ren. Thanks anon.

>>49705567
>you will never have a completely obedient qt water elemental to make slightly more viscous over time.
Why even live?

>>49731241
If you can make it all the way through the Great Dark Beyond, sure.

Could anyone recommend some entertaining Warcraft fanfiction, preferably with lore characters?

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>>49733101

Short but a solid read

If being a Forsaken sucks so fucking much why do they keep making more of themselves?

>>49733840
To feed Sylvanas' ego, and give her more bodies to hide behind.

>>49733840
Because spreading the misery helps one feel better about it.

>>49734136
Like sharing cringy pictures with friends.

>>49722120
Ironically, its all Varian fault.

Varian declared war and that was basically a big politic hit on Thrall. Dude tried almost everything to control the Orcs and keep the Horde passive to achieve peace. And then the human King almost literally spat on him and declared war anyway. If the "peace" thing was hard to sell for the orcs, it become impossible.

The orcs wanted a strong leader, one that brings respect, one that wants to put humans on their places and Garrosh was a big name on that time. Thrall just give up. He was not wanted a leader anyway, and Garrosh could also fuck himself. He even challenged Thrall before the WoTLK expansion for the title of warchief.... Too late to figured out that maybe he could be a shit leader.

And the funny thing is that the game just ignored all that. Metzan wanted the Alliance to feel like THE GOOD GUYS (his words, not mine) and then Garrosh become Hitler, Varian died and no one touches the fact that he shares some guilt of a war that he started alone.

I dont know if the books address this issue, so far Anduin was the only one that said his father did a shit thing.

>>49727316
Yep. Actually the men behind the rpg books ,beeing not blizzard, were very much pro Alliance in the lore stuff.

>>49730097
... P-Pics ?

>>49727806
Pre-WoW, all druids were supposed to be male, although I don't think all males were supposed to be druids. They don't really seem numerous enough to make up the entire male night elf population. Significant enough amount of males were druids, though, that the primary fighting force of the night elves was predominantly female.

What the hell is up with Havi and making food?

>>49734832
Dont know, at first I thought it was a test of humilty and respect.. also something to add surprise... "Wow.... he was not a fragile old man but a god!" but even after Odyn reveals himself he keep asking this kind of thing...

>>49734849
>>49734832

Maybe he's just hungry.

can someone post the gondola kilrogg and spurdo grom and gul'dan?

>>49734586
So just like Blizzard?

>>49734849

>Falling for old Glapsviðr's ruse cruise
>ever

He literally had the ravens with him the whole time, I called it at soup making, didn't even have to google known aliases, which by the way pretty much ups the jig immediately.

>>49730097
>ah, I don't know who decided elves need vampire fangs, but I approve
>>49731000

It's probably a remnant of their troll heritage. Also predator canines.

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>>49735615
>MFW monster elves will never be done justice in our lifetime
>MFW delicious tsundere troll-elf rivalry wil never be a thing in our lifetime
>MFW savage noble Night elves were castrated into purple wood elves
>MFW Blood Elves were such a great opportunity for monster elves but it all got resolved by MAKE THE SUNWELL CLEAN AGAIN
>MFW it will never be canonically regarded possible that elves can out-savage other savage races because Blizzard fucked up

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Ever had a race or sex change to fit into a certain transmog? The Whitemane one really only fits on a girl.

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>>49735784
>not going full slutmog on a male character for shits and giggles

>>49735752

Blizz writers couldn't have handled a noble savage race anyway. They love making every race except orcs and humans appear arrogant just so the orcs and humans can look better despite being the "youngest" and "weakest" race. Same shit that happens in every fantasy world ever.

>there will never be a Warcraft story where orcs aren't the main faction and driving force behind the Horde and the humans for the Alliance

>>49734832

It's a VA joke. He's voiced by Jim Cummings (a famous voice actor) who also voiced Lorewalker Cho in Pandaria who has exactly the same personality.

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>>49734941
driiiiiiiiink

>>49736226
>old horde
>you know that they're badasses because they kicked azeroth's ass
>iron horde
>muh warlord of the iron buttocks!1! be scarred they're gonna kick ass1!1

>>49734832
He's a foodie

>>49733840
Because you can't stop us, and you know it.

>>49736640
>warchief sylvanas is gonna turn entire horde into forsaken
>varian is gonna end up as her sex toy


Feels good man.

>>49735876
Not noble savage - Savage nobles!

I don't want anything to do with shallow muh honour native stereotypes running around in loincloth and cluttering bones being Dindu Nuffin and shedding single manly tears rolling down their cheeks at the sight of muh despoiled nature homeland.

I want creatures who carry themselves with pride and elegance that befits those of accomplishment, only to drop all pretense of aloofness and indulge primal fury in the anticipation of a kill, who will howl at the sky in sheer ferocity, who will viciously chase their prey and who will rip and tear through their enemies in battle without remorse and false restraint. I want to see how creatures of grace and beauty burst into unfathomable rage and terrify all who thought it unthinkable that such beings could ever be such animals.

I want to see how people's worlds crumble as they see that underneath the air of fragility and courtesy sleeps a wiry predator ready to wade in guts and blood and mud and shit.

Rip and Tear - Until it's done! And then, they wash it all off, put their fine clothes and jewelry back on, comb their hair and sit together in social circles discussing philosophy while having a nice glass of fine wine and a light snack consisting of berries with sweetened cream.

And then when they retreat to the boudoir, a loving couple will fuck like monkeys, biting with their fanged teeth, smelling, tasting, feeling, growling and hissing and wincing at the unrelenting passion until they give out in animal climax.

Is that so hard? Is it so hard to make this happen?

>>49736725
Doesn't appeal to the 14 year old target audience.

>>49736735
>Edgy powerfantasy of redpilled a-nee-may fedora self inserts
>Not appealing to 14 year olds

Somebody at Blizzard is shit at fucking market research.

>>49736725

This is just your fetish, anon. Don't pretend like it's a valid story perspective

>>49736855
That last part, yes. Everything else is legit tho.

>>49736893

Not really. Noble creatures descending into savagery is a classic fetish.

>>49736941
It's a classic awesome, you mean.

Seriously I can understand why it can be a fetish, but it is a thousand times more interesting a premise because it's actually a lot better at bridging the gap between culture and savagery than the other way around.

>>49737011

It's the classic werewolf or vampire trope. or Jeckyll and Hyde

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7RBCDSr1ro

>There is no greater blessing a city can have than a king who would sacrifice himself for his people. But such a sacrifice must be earned. We must deserve it. If we only show our unity to mourn a good man’s death, was King Llane wrong to believe in you?

>NO!

>WE WILL AVENGE YOU MILADY

>LEAD US AGAINST THE ORCS LOTHAR!


I came all over my Stormwind Doublet /tg/.

>>49725533
Just think of him as your secretary. He handles the paperwork while you golf-I mean slay demons.

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>>49721138
G A R R O S H D I D N O T H I N G W R O N G

>>49737626
>muh alliance
>circa wc1

Guess that the whole King Terenas being the father of the Alliance is just old game fluff that no one remembers.

>>49709271
>implying it isn't.

>>49736725

Except night elves were never ever presented as being "refined" or such, they were straight up barbarians in WC3. They didn't even have cities then, just villages and trees. What you describe only happened with WoW when they were suddenly this city-dwelling race like any other

>>49738366
Straight up barbarians, yes, of course!

I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm fucking tired of roidraging superniggers to be the only ones who are allowed to be savage murderers and that I would love a race that is more nimble but not any less violent as opposed to all slenderly designed races to automatically be florette flourishing faggots or spend all day polishing thin-bladed daggers with poison as if they were rubbing their dicks.

I want murderous dancers with warpaint made from the blood of their enemies.

>>49738454
>I want murderous dancers with warpaint made from the blood of their enemies.

WHFB wood elves were literally this. Shame WoW didn't take after them more closely

>>49738454
>Slender but savage

You've just described any non-dire Warcraft troll

>>49736725
>I don't want anything to do with shallow muh honour native stereotypes running around in loincloth and cluttering bones being Dindu Nuffin and shedding single manly tears rolling down their cheeks at the sight of muh despoiled nature homeland.

Funny because this is almost exactly what the night elves were in WC3. Replace "muh honor" with "muh trees" or "muh goddess." Replace the cluttered bones with twigs and leaves. Keep the loincloths, keep the dindu nuffin attitude (starts shit and proceeds to get rekt, continues crying about it for years after that they dindu nuffin), and the single (feminine) tear rolling down their cheeks at the sight of muh despoiled nature homeland.

>>49738742
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>>49738748

>doesnt wait til page 7
>picture in the OP is waifu shit/fapbait

man, it's no surprise these threads are shit when you got faggots like this retard making them

>>49738454
So warcraft Trolls?

>>49714637
What am I missing here

>>49723191
And I don't think vrykul cloud city counts as 'warrior class hall'

>>49739548
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