>the kingdom granted orcs equal citizenship to humans >generations

>>49697537
>What should the new king do?
Get rid of the orcs. Why did his relatives let them in anyway?

>>49697537
Live and let live.

>>49697537
Thinly-veiled /pol/ thread?

Either way, need more information for what they do for/against for the community beyond one statistic, got any more OP?

>>49697537
Kill da oomies

Thinly veiled /pol/ thread

>>49697570
>let live
But the orcs are the ones doing the killing.

>>49697537
Also gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8

>>49697580
#orclivesmatter

>>49697537
>>>/pol/

>>49697574
>>49697577
>>49697616
>it's impossible for this situation to ever come up in an RPG setting

>>49697537
Dress up as a paladin and hide in the closet masturbating while the queen gets gangbanged by orcs.

>>49697577
>Thinly veiled /pol/ thread
Perhaps. Who cares? Even if it is, certainly not a scenario that is foreign for RPGs for instance.

>>49697629
Realm of Kivluar Yes!

>>49697627
Contain your projections.

>>49697537
Criminalize drugs and crack down on Orc crime. Then create a bunch of Orc penal squads for the military.

Send out messengers claiming that not all orcs.

>>49697637

Really? Never saw an "integrated" orc population.

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>the Elven kingdom granted humans equal citizenship to elves
>generations later, due to their inherently aggressive nature and lower intelligence scores, humans still have not integrated and commit a disproportionate majority of the kingdom's crime
What should the new Elven king do?

>>49697659
fucking thin skinned pussy

I bet you piss sitting

>>49697707
Dress up as a ranger and hide in the closet masturbating while the queen gets gangbanged by humans.

>>49697707
do the humans depend on the elves entirely though?

Would the humans survive if the elves just booted them

>>49697682
>Really? Never saw an "integrated" orc population.
Rather, you've never played/GM:ed a game where integration is a central theme.

>>49697707
The answer is always genocide.

>>49697710
Why the kneejerk reaction?

>>49697707
The same thing his dad did and what he should have done: Mount up on some fucking deer, run down every human, orc, dwarf, and hobbit, roast them alive, and devour them while composing merry songs about genocide, devouring the flesh of their enemies, and the virtue of torturing people to death. Then smoke some elfweed, bang a dryad, and catch an unpleasantly aggressive fungal infection.

>>49697537
We need more information. What other races hold citizenship? What proportion of the population is orc? What technology exists in setting? Does magic exist? If so how does it work? Can different races cross breed? If so how many half orcs are there?

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>>49697537
Despite this being /polshit, I'll give you a legit answer:
The Orcs are turned into the nation's military shock troops. Their clans live in small, unfortified settlements under the protection of human castles. Upon coming of age, all Orcs must do at least ten years of military service to the Kingdom
The Orcs are semi-autonomous within their own settlements, but must turn over all military gear upon returning from service. They have their own methods of adjudicating disputes, but must submit to human law in disputes that may arise with humans.
Orcs are still legally considered to be humans, and their testimony is weighed in the same manner as a human's.
Humans have relatively little contact with the Orcs, aside from administrators and physicians who maintain the health of the Orc populace. Orc Cohorts are always commanded by human officers, who endeavor to earn their Orc charge's respect through feats of strength and bravery.
Thus within an Orc settlement, you generally have a large number of children, a moderate number of married veterans, and a small number of elders, and almost no Orcs of fighting age.

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>>49697537
Gee, I wonder who could be behind this.

>>49697747

Well, I did: but never saw that in fantasy.

>>49697537
Cross-breed it out of them. It'll be a generations-spanning work. But that orc-on-elf action? Fucking hot.

>the Orc kingdom granted humans equal citizenship to orcs
>generations later, due to their inherently scheeming nature and higher intelligence scores, humans have integrated too much into society and run a disproportionate majority of the kingdom's banks
What should the new Orc king do?

>>49697768
Sounds pretty good.

Would this be enough to limit orc population growth?

And how would people react to orcs demanding completely same rights?

just dump them outside the kingdom?

>>49697537
The new king should stop posting thinly veiled political metaphors designed to let people discuss their real political views while pretending to be talking about traditional games.

>>49697808
Criminalize ursury and buying low and selling high among Jews and not just Catholics. Also, legalize legitimate occupations among Jews.

>>49697768
Sounds good.

>>49697707
>What should the new Elven king do?

When in doubt, conduct a Wild Hunt.

>>49697772

They're not wrong though. :^)

>>49697808
I do this but with humans and gnomes as the scheming race. Because no one ever suspects the gnomes.

But literally there is always a large amount of gnomes in positions of power in my settings even though they have a relatively smaller population. I didn't even realize I was doing this until now. The subconscious mind is a hell of a drug. Fuck.

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>>49697537
the damn Dwarves, hiding in their mountains, print... minting coins in their smiths controlling all the banks and by extention our own King.

why even have walls and moats if we are goin to just let them come in undocumented ?

>>49697843
>Jews
>Catholics
Woah, where are you getting that from? His question was about humans and orcs.

>>49697843
Jews and Catholica doesn't exist in fantasy settings.

>>49697808
Start building ovens and showers.

The orcs are clearly misunderstood as generation of suffering under the oppressive human man has led to this barbaric behavior.

The king should instead send daily envoys with food and gold to majorly orc villages and families in attempts to appease them and integrate them in our society.

Also any subject seen defaming the kings decision or the orcish way of life should be jailed and publicly slandered.

>>49697869
Walls and gates don't stop them, they just build sub cities under us and tunnel up so they can come and go as they please. What is the King going to do about the dwarven kingdom undermining us, huh?

>>49697707
You always have to make it about humans, do you?

>>49697911
>puppet of the lizardman illuminati
>doing anything to stop illegal dorfs

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>>49697911
>11
damn....
i dont have enough levels to think about so many levels.....

>the kingdom granted orcs equal citizienship to humans
>generations later, due to the change in their culture, a great deal of the orcs are perfectly integrated and succesful
>still, the majority or orcs are undeperfoming because of economic disparity and racial discrimination
>there are even many cults that still barf about supposed divine choices in a ladder of races

>What should the new King do?

>>49697952
Privatize the prison system, with little bit of encouragement the orcs will make sure that they'll stay profitable&taxable for decades to come.

>>49697537
Initiate a public service programme promoting sterilization procedures for orcs and support femorc suffrage

>The king died and the queen now runs the land.
>The queen is a dryad.
>Gives trees equal rights to humans.
>Makes a democratic state with a high voting age so most humans can't run for office.

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>>49697537

Have you all learned nothing from history?

Barbarian people border your kingdom? Make them partially-enfranchised for a few decades, but give full citizenship to their chiefs and nobles, then funnel their rabble through the army to instill loyalty and patriotism and then enfranchise them all.

Just don't be a dickass and let them keep their way of life on the frontier of your lands

>>49698052
That's actually pretty funny. An elven democracy where the minimum voting age is 100+.

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>>49697537
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gCgluVD0Aw&ab_channel=gokugokugoku2
Purge the inhuman filth, smite them down with righteous fury!

>>49697627
>OMG nobody sees how great my deep political commentary is
What would keep Orcs from finding a role in society? Big strong dudes always have their uses even if they are inherently violent.
>Thugs and bouncers
>Town watch and soldiers
>Manual labourers
Of course why the hell does a presumably feudal kingdom have a concept of citizenship? Why not just say to the Orc tribes "hey dog if you defend our borders, fight alongside us during wars, and don't raid us we will pay you money and give you land" ala the late Roman empire or France and the Normans?

>>49697754
He's from /pol/, they don't understand actual debate. It amounts to
>Cuck
>Faggot
>Fedora
>Shill

>>49697862
Arcanum already did this. Gnomes are evil little bastards based on Victorian stereotypes about Jews.

>>49697910
Better solution:
Recruit unemployed orcs into military.
Sell them cheaply-built but good quality houses after they leave the military.
Build schools and other public services in the area to minimise poverty and educate orc kids.
Encourage businesses to set up shop there with subsidies, so educated orc kids can work for legitimate businesses.
Orcs now have jobs and do less crime.

Truth be told I think using orcs is lazy

Elves are understandable since there's plenty of mythological precedent going back millenia for similar beings which authors can draw upon, orcs were literally made up as a plot device for a particular story from a few decades ago. The only reason they became so common is how creatively bankrupt the whole fantasy genre has become.

>>49698214
I tend to prefer hobgoblins to Orcs but I do really like the potential dynamic between Elves and Humans.
>Half elves will be outlived by one of their parents
>Elves who marry humans will outlive their partner by centuries
>Humans reproduce faster
>Elves live longer allowing exceptional individuals to accomplish more over the course of their lives and allowing one to either master more skills or master a few skills more heavily

I feel like Elves would work really well with a caste system.
>Elf soldiers have literal centuries of combat experience and inhuman speed and grace in battle
>Elf kings rule for centuries allowing them to plan grand schemes of conquest lasting centuries (human king too good to beat? Wait 30 years and invade after he dies)
>Elf blacksmiths can spend decades working on a single sword, tweaking and modifying it until they have a perfect weapon
So elves end up kind of like the opposite of humans in generic fantasy. While humans are generalists, elves are cripplingly specialized. An average elf soldier might be able to surpass the greatest human swordsmen but might be borderline illiterate or have no knowledge of the arcane or the cultures of other countries. A human soldier might be no match for the elf in terms of swordsmanship but he can read, write, knows how to behave around people of other classes and races, can grow crops, knows history, and can learn magic. The end result could be humans tend to be better at classes that rely on multiple skills (eg. magic and fighting) while elves tend to be better at classes that involve complete specialization (like fighter or wizard as opposed to eldritch knight).

>>49698214
I'm pretty sure that the Orcs became popular because people thought that they were cool.

>>49698189
Or... :

Recruit unemployed orcs into military.
Send them to conquer new lands.
When their service is over, give them some of that conquered lands as a bonus so they'll settle there.

You now :

- have culled the herd for a generation, making sure they won't be too many orcs.

- have weakened your neighbour's army, making sure he won't be in shape to invade for some time.

- have created a buffer at your border, so that if the neighbour invades, he'll only pillage orc villages and kill orc families. The invaders are culling the herd some more for you.

- have created a buffer at your border AND IT'S POPULATED BY VETERAN SOLDIERS protecting their families. If the neighbour invades, he'll lose a fair amount of troops.

Even if the initial conquest fails, that will still result in a lot of dead enemy soldiers or at least a lot of dead orcs, which is good.

>>49698546
This. Orcs filled a niche- the brutish, violent race that's stronger but stupider than humans- which needed filling.

>>49698546
>>49698650
This on itself was caused by creative bankruptcy, just further back the line

Tolkien's orcs are described as weak, bowlegged, short and pathetic. The "elite" Uruk-hai are just human sized and aren't afraid of the sun

>>49698349
From the point of view of elves, humans are like goblins : they breed very fast, can barely craft anything, fight like dirty savages and die before you can even truly learn to know them, like them, let alone love them.

Any elf dating a human would be like you dating your pet rat : he'll be dead in less than two years and you just look creepy.

And if there's a child, that's even worse : you look like those idiotic bitches who treat their chihuahua like it's their kid. Only here, everyone would know they got fucked by the dog's father.


From the point of view of humans, elves would be like immortal alien gods : they have these weird culture and know so many things that your language isn't sophisticated enough for them to explain it to you.
They don't age, they don't even change at all and if they need to "think something over", you know it means you don't get an answer. Not in your lifetime.
When one of them take a fancy into a human, said human think of itself as the chosen one, picked by the gods and parade around with the hyperspecial spouse whose children will be nearly immortal.

>>49698693
Everything was always creativly bankrupt and almost all fictional idea written down are generic. Original ideas that are good are rare and not often payed attention to because people don't mind their generic entertainment.

>>49698693
They are also describe as industrious and, in some way, very cunning and even creative when it comes to destroy or kill.

Mordor was the equivalent of an newly industrialized country, with vast factory-like forges and a plantation-style agriculture, able to gather millions of soldiers and organize them while making sure they were fed and equipped.

It was a mirror to the "horrors" of the industrial revolutions, of the cities.
It was the opposite of the epinal icone of uneducated good-natured country folks that lived an honest life from the land.
To which Tolkien opposed the still-uneducated but mean slaves, whose ignorance was born of isolation but of lack of curiosity, too focus that they were on following orders and making their lives better, often at the expense of others..

Orcs are not savage with Tolkien. They are the slave of an all-powerful ever-watchful totalitarian nation-state that promote industrial growth, colonization and militarism.

>>49698742
I tend to think of elves as thinking of humans as being like pets. That is, they have the same relationship to humans as we (today) have to our pets (dogs/cats).

Taking 5e as an example, if you look at the ages the races live it matches up pretty well.

So you would likely see elves having the same emotional connection to humans as we have to our pets. It could be strong, but it would be twinned with the knowledge that 'it is just a dog' and will not live that long. There would be a sort of distance in the relationship.

You might even see humans prized as 'friends' in the same way as we prize dogs as pets. You might have elves who like to have a human 'friend' for their kid or something. To help them understand mortality or to have the kind of loyalty 'that only a human shows'. That sort of thing.

>>49698833
The best part is how hideous they were described and when you finally get to read them talking and interacting with each other, it's just modern english as oppossed to everyone else's antiquated idioms

>>49698630

Unless you're constantly pushing your borders out, this doesn't work.

If you settle barbarians on the frontier, they don't assimilate. They do something far worse: they recreate their own social order INSIDE your kingdom.

Once you start conquering outside your borders, you either keep going and radiate out to conquer the world or you begin you slide into decay. Only when a people feel like they're part of an ever growing core of your people do they actually adopt your culture. If they feel peripheral, they revert to their old ways.

>>49698742
>like you dating your pet rat
Not really. Elves in DnD only live until about 750, so about 10 times longer than humans. While that is a huge difference an elf who meets and marries a human will still probably have a good 30-50 years of marriage or about 1/25ths of their life. While it isn't long for the elf it is the same as about 3-5 years for a human which is longer than most dating relationships and longer than some marriages. It is more like you dating someone with terminal cancer, the possible connections all exist but at the end of the day he relationship is doomed to end relatively soon.

In my setting elf/human relationships are more thought of as just stupid like a 13 year old claiming that they are in love with their boyfriend or girlfriend. Elf/human relationships tend to be one of the following
>Elf bitch who just wants to mooch off human men or get money from them when they die. Like a lazy black widow.
>Young elf enamored by ideals of true love who falls for a human without considering the obvious implication of the differences in their lifespans
>Assholish elves marrying a human to repay a debt "he saved my life so I agreed to marry him, its not a big deal, he'll die in a few decades anyway"
Granted I also modified the background for elf biology slightly so they age about half to 1/3rd as fast as humans up until the age of about 50-80. How half elves are viewed varies from culture to culture. Humans tend to envy half elves in a sort of "lucky fucker, gonna live for so long and girls love his exotic looks." Elves tend to view half elves with a mixture of pity and coddling like a kid with a terminal illness "poor thing, he's going to die so young, his father is such an asshole for doing this to his kids (having children with a human woman)."

Overall the pet comparison sounds stupid. I mean I guess it could work in a setting but it sounds like a stupid setting if you have multiple playable races.

>>49698189
I was just making a jab at reality anon

>>49697627
No, you see, what makes all the difference here is that it hasn't fucking come up in your game, or if you aren't OP, in OP's game. You see? Hypothetical scenarios of this kind are entirely fucking useless, because there's no situation to try to understand and there's no player or GM wanting or needing help. It's a garbage shitpost of no purpose (save trolling) or value. Look at you, dumb motherfucker as you are, thinking your idiot greentext serves a purpose other than highlighting your idiocy and that you don't play traditional games.

>>49697537
Forget the orcs, kill all trolls.

>>49697537
The orcs and humans should just breed until they are one race.