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Sunless Citadel is a fun little dungeon crawl romp from early 3e. Rebalance the encounters with 5e rules and stat blocks and redo the DCs and it runs great.

I have never kicked a player. But one guy left temporarily for since scheduling issues, and I never invited him back because he creeped out the other players. He's a good friend irl, but just can't contain his power level.

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What's the best archetype and why is it the eldritch knight?

>>49672263
Madness at Gardmore Abbey. It's the final adventure released for 4e, and it showcases EXACTLY why the Deck of Many Things is not an item to fuck with.

>>49672325
The best archetype is pact of the chain warlock.

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>>49672263
Dunno, I never read any modules for 3.5 except for that book that might have been third party, not even a book, a pdf that I've downloaded with the books. It had many, many, many non-standard encounters that you could insert into your adventure.
For example, it had a tribe kobolds that worshipped a dragon. Except there was no dragon - it was a very well-crafted trapped statue that could spit alchemist's fire. It was manned by two human bandits, who were making voices.
Scooby-dooby ruse!

>>49672263
>T1-4
>GDQ1-7
>I6
>G1-3
Wait...

>>49672354
Heh

>>49672345
That's not how you spell pact of the blade

>>49672263

Im working on the old Eberron 3.5 adventures for my players.

>>49672325
That's not how you spell Wild Magic Sorcerer

What non-Primeval Thule modules (for any edition or even system desu) could be easily ported to the setting? Or to a sword and sorcery setting more generally?

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>>49672376
Wild magic surges are literally cancer. The entire table is lolrandumb trash.

>>49672397
>having no taste

Wild magic sorcerer gives you a chance to surge whenever you cast a first level sorcerer spell or higher.

Warlock invocations let you cast silent image at will.

Silent image is a sorcerer spell.

Does this trigger wild magic?

>>49672414
Oh, I'm sure this table will do just fine for a beer and pretzels game, but I would prefer if Wizards also included something akin to Psychic Phenomena and Perils of the Warp from Dark Heresy.

>>49672397
The table is a bit crappy yes.

>>49672432
it counts as a warlock spell for you

>>49672449
Nothing in the invocation says it counts as a warlock spell.

>>49672263
>What (classic?) modules from previous editions are worth adapting to 5E?

The Keep on the Borderlands.

>>49672325
Oh god it's that guy again.

>>49672485
> But m-m-m-muh RAW
No sane DM will allow this. It's not 3.5.

>>49672446
>using beer and pretzels as a pejorative
I amend my previous statement.
>Having no taste
>Being pretentious about it

Your counterargument, anon?

>>49672504
I think lots of DMs would allow things that lead to more wild magic.

Also

>B-b-but muh balance

>>49672322
how did he creep them out? Kinda ironic for DnD players to be creeped out by someone.

>>49672432
Are you a wild magic sorcerer casting the spell from your spell slots? Then no.

>>49672521
If your DM wants to you roll for surges constantly, they'll just let you get back Tides of Chaos more often.

>>49672446
>tips fedora referencing Dark Heresy
Your plebeian taste is showing

>>49672514
Beer and pretzels games are inherently plebeian, anon. It's obvious to everyone - except for the plebs, of course.

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>>49672529
Spell slots aren't necessary.

>>49672539
That would be triggered just as much by this silent image. Good point anon, now I can have wild magic Novas as two or more trigger off of one silent image.

>>49672605
>the DM can have you
>can
Doesn't even matter

How do I make a punch wizard?
Honest question.

>>49672639
You could try something like this.
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=10771866&postcount=1

>>49672432
No because not all sorcerers are wild magic sorcerers. WMS is an archetype.

>>49672638
Most DMS I know have you roll after every spell cast. So allowing at will silent image would have the fun result of tons of wild magic.

>>49672566
>Beer and Pretzels is plebeian
Then you can call me Tiberius Gracchus, you wine-sotted catamite.

>>49672672
I think the assumption is that you're a WMS / Warlock

>>49668532
>>49668671
Forgot to add the bit /tg/ would care about: p. decent selection of waifus. That Witch Queen...

>>49672672
And? This is clearly a multiclass wild magic sorc warlock we're taking about.

>>49672373
I prefer Tome personally.

>>49672704
The versatility is great.

Since someone's already yelled fire, what cantrips would you recommend for a GWM EK at 3? The party already has a tome warlock loaded up with illusion spells, and a crown paladin.

I was thinking Green Flame / Booming Blade, or swap one for firebolt to do something at range. I might also be inclined to take light since nobody seems to have darkvision in the group.

>>49672727
Forgot the other two, we have a longbow fighter and a cleric of uncertain archetype

>>49672727
Booming Blade and Lightning Lure will serve you well. You have a ranged fighter and a warlock if you need real damage at long range, but Lightning Lure can help you ground airborne enemies that are within 10 feet of the ground.

>>49672605
A sorcer spell isn't "a spell on the sorcerer spell list" it is a spell cast as a sorcerer - your spell slots (I would rule it has to be a sorceror known spell too).

>>49672773
Didn't even think about lightning lure grounding a flyer. Thanks anon

>>49672777
Show me the rule.

>>49672777
Show me the rule.

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>>49672882
>>49672815
PHB pg 101, "Spell Slots" Subheader.

Are there any good homebrewed cleric domains for a Law domain?

Are there any good homebrewed cleric domains for a Law domain?

>>49672928
That rule doesn't define sorcerer spells.

>tfw the Monk in your party wears heavy armor
>he uses a warhammer and completely ignores all his class features that require him to be unarmored
i'm not even mad

>>49673055
>tfw u have no face

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>>49673066
>confusing tfw with mfw
here's both my feel and my face

So im making the ultimate dice controller. Lightfoot hafling diviner with lucky and taking almost exclusivily control spells.
Any tips on spells to take? More importantly should the name be Talis Dominus or Ploíarchos Touzária. Both mean master of dice in latin and greek respectivly (i didnt and wont be uaing greek text so its more readable).

>>49673136
Fewer people know Greek and a Latin name sounds wrong for a halfling, so go with the latter.

>>49673136
>>49673157
Also you must only use your powers for the greatest good - giving yourself breathing room to fuck about.

>>49673014
Oh good, another thread going to be shit because some fuck wants to break his game for epic lolz.

If I want to get into tabletop RPG's for the first time, what's a solid class/build to start with that will be interesting but that won't overload me or anything?

>>49673239
Battlemaster fighter. It might look a little daunting at first, but it's dead simple in play, while not being quite so direct and "boring" as Champion.

Assassin or Thief rogue, or any Barbarian, or possibly a warlock, are also solid choices.

>>49673239
Go with whatever you fancy most. So long as you read your class section well enough, understanding 5e (even the casters) isn't that hard. There's a Quick Build section for each class that gets you started out well enough.

>>49673239
Thief Rogue.
Options without the complexity of a spellcaster.
Solid general strategy you can fall back on if you're overwhelmed (get sneak attack, repeat).

>>49673239
Literally everything works. 5e combat is extremely simple and has no hidden depths. You'll do fine, so just play what sounds fun.

In fact, pick a complicated class, because they are less likely to get boring.

>>49673228
Are you both thread police and game police?

I didn't know I was dealing with such a decorated officer.

>>49673157
Trying to honor my forefathers. I like the greek better as a dickass CG halfling anyways. Any tips on some spells? I want an owl from find familliar for sure.

Any good CoS games on youtube? Tried watching the Chris Perkins one but the characters are too damn cringey for me. Especially that fucking southern belle paladin. Just want something in the background to listen to while at work

>>49673371
>Trying to honor thy forefathers
>Attempt at Latin is Life of Brian tier
Stick with Greek.

>>49673427
Yeah my uncle was greek guy that worked on that movie. I think he helped with lights or something.
The latin was just some spitballing i did and it lead me towards the greek

>>49672263
>Why did you kick a player from your game?
For being an entitled asshole who picked fights with other players and never learned from his mistakes.

>What (classic?) modules from previous editions are worth adapting to 5E?
Anything on the Demiplane of Dread. I have a special place in my heart for one module set in a swamp-land demiplane where a necromancer is terrorizing the populace.

>>49672526
He based his character entirely on memes, and played accordingly. There was some magical realm involved. Can't be more specific.

Other than SCAG, what're some of the other supplements (UA or not) that added Backgrounds? I need more ideas for mechanical perks.

>>49673660
CoS appendices had one, OotA had two related to the underdark, and several of the AL things have had regionally relevant backgrounds.

>>49673345
>>49672449
>>49672928

Okay, as a Perma DM who's run a lot of systems, I'll break it down how I would rule it, it's not word of law, but it's how I would follow it.

Using your Warlock Invocation to cast At Will Silent Image would NOT trigger the surge, because you are using your Invocation, not a spell. Though it functions as the spell, it is not the spell.

You can however still trigger a surge by casting Silent Image as though it was a spell and expending a spell slot.

The reason Wild Magic specifies spell slots and spell levels is to prevent infinite surges between rests.

I saw the icons from SKT on Roll20 in the Mega - are there any for the Starter Set?

>>49673763
No one has given me access to LMoP on Roll20, if someone did I could properly rip the maps and tokens.

>>49673407
I had the same problem, the two guys weren't too bad though. I hate youtubers as players, I know they need them for an audience, but they're so terrible most of the time.

>>49673682
I agree with the ruling, but disagree with the ruling you gave at the end.

Wild magic is already structured so infinite long rest surges are impossible, because it has to have the Dm make it happen.

The reason for referencing spell levels is so sorcerers have a dependable option in cantrips, without subjecting their party to wild magic risk by the DMS discretion.

>>49673838
Yea it was just the two girls I had a problem with.

"If a character would gain the same proficiency from two different sources, he or she can choose a different proficiency of the same kind (skill or tool) instead"

Is this rule apply to skill proficiency in general or only to background?

In this case, I'm a warlock who is already proficient in persuasion and deception, what will happen when I take Beguiling Influence Invocation?

>>49673847
I'm not too well versed with 5e rules when it comes to Wild Magic, how would you get to perform infinite surges?

>>49673902
By RAW: only to the background. However, it's very easy to avoid overlap by planning beforehand and a flexible DM will likely let you switch to a different one if the overlap is inevitable.

>>49673925

he means casting spells every morning to try and eventually get the random result you want

>>49673925
There's been a discussion in the thread, started by myself to shitpost, about whether a non sorcerer feature, such as invocations that key you cast spells at will, would trigger wild magic surges. Raw I don't think there is anything wrong with it. But obviously most DMS would probably veto it just for sanity.

>>49672491
?

What's the difference between Polymorph and True Polymorph? It's just the ability to transform inanimate objects, right?

>>49673960
The answer is no. It can't. Because it's not casting a spell. It's using an ability to replicate a spell being cast.

>>49673993
Regular Polymorph has to be a beast, and it can't be permanent, whereas True Polymorph can be anything and becomes permanent if you concentrate for the full duration.

Has anyone played DnD Adventurer's League? What was your experience?

I'm new in the town I am in, and have played a few Pathfinder Society games, but I am really missing Eberron.

>>49674038
AL is stuck in Faerun for a while.

You can get unlucky with some DMs (just like anytime) but I found a good group of people through AL and we now play homebrew games instead.

>>49674002
The invocation explicitly says you're carrying the spell.

>>49674055

Are the rules strict like PFS, where you have to own a copy of the material in order to use it?

>>49674059
Carrying = casting

>>49674038

Curse of Stradh adventure league is pretty good.

A bit silly that you get a magic item every adventure though

>>49674074
Depends on the DM. We let people go for a while without buying the book (while we were still in the store) but then there were a couple people who kept coming back who insisted on picking options not in the free starter rules.

It's fine except that had no desire to learn the game. Ultimately they died for splitting the party and wandering off. Nobody else felt bad. The next time he says "Oh, I had a shield this whole time!" (it was 8 or so sessions in). At that point we told him he needed a book. (also he wanted ot play a druid)

looking to create a (very low level) monster for my campaign that's very weak in a straight fight, but creates traps to kill prey and possess/infest their bodies.

is there anything like this already out there that I can use? I'd rather not homebrew it and run the risk of making something really shitty.

I've got about $35 to spend on Amazon. What are some good D&D things I can get? I've got enough dice, a DM Screen, a battlemat, and the other basics.

>>49672432
Nope because you are casting it as a warlock spell

>>49674129
Intellect devourer + many kobolds.

>>49674129
Evil myconids with spore servants

>>49674152
Again, nothing in the book says what you are casting it as.

>>49674169
myconids are exactly what I'm looking for, thanks

>>49674185
Ok then you can cast it as a Wizard enjoy using Int instead of Cha for the DC

>>49674059
>>49674185
Not quite casting, you're using the ability to activate it. In 3.5 they were Spell Like Abilities, but they seem to have mostly done away with that term for 5E.

>>49674185
You are casting the spell as a Warlock Invocation, otherwise you would be expending the spell slot and getting your Wild Surge trigger.

>>49674185
Any reasonable person would see it as a warlock spell as its a feature of the warlock class

>>49674226
we aren't talking about reasonable people here

we're talking about an autist who has been posting in circles about meaningless minute rule readings for no reason

Is anyone disappointed in the lack of expanded crunch? I know it isn't 3.5 with every 3rd party releasing books, but all we get are the UA's every month with no official source books.

So.. everyone in my party reroll, now we got Paladin,Ranger and Bard.

Should I change my Druid into a Wizard? Do INT-based character even necessary? Also consider going with Eldritch Knight and Arcane Trickster.

>>49674185
http://www.sageadvice.eu/2015/07/19/wizard-sorcerer-multiclass-spells/

>>49674335
I'd either stick with druid or swap to arcane trickster, druid is cool and if your bard isn't doing skill monkey things you can cover it as an AT while still having some neat tricks.

>>49674222
The invocation literally phrases it as "you may cast [spell name] at will"

Notice the use of the word cast there.

But that isn't the issue. The issue is that it isn't a sorcerer spell that's being cast.

>>49674212
Silly, how could I cast wizard spells when I'm not multiclass as one?

All the feature checks for anyways is if the spell you casted was on the list for sorcerer spells. This is why there are a ton of class features that add spells to class lists.

>>49674222
Wild magic doesn't require you to use a spell slot. Go on, read it.

However, the invocations explicitly say you are casting the spell.

Your interpretation is perfectly valid as a rai sanity check. But it isn't supported at all by raw.

>>49674226
I agree that reasonable people could decide the raw doesn't make sense and rule against it.

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>>49672263
>old modules
You know I'm actually interested in converting some of them, even more since I heard how good 1e modules were.
Which UA had the conversion rules again?

>>49674339
Not an official source.

Invocations don't count as spells known or prepared. You can simply cast them.

>>49674391
See >>49672605 It specifies 1st level or higher spells, that means spells of a 1st level slot or higher.

>>49674373
Yes, the invocation does. BUT, because of the way Wild Magic is worded, because it doesn't take up a spell slot, it doesn't function with Wild Surge.

>>49674430
>>49674430
Spells have levels regardless of whether they were cast with a spell slot or not. These levels are detailed explicitly in the book.

>>49674428
Not an official source? It's Jeremy Crawford, (aka the official rules guy) pointing out to people like you to RTFM

Modules I've always wanted to try, and I have a strong group of consistent players I've DM'd for for going on 2 years now, which ones should I go with next?

> Keep on the Borderlands
> Isle of Dread
> Great Modron March
> Red Hand of Doom

Anyone have experience dealing with immature twats who ruin the games? Had someone throw a tantrum after the group didn't do exactly what he wanted and he basically quit and now nobody wants to play because of it.

>>49674442
My apologies, I forgot that Crawford can actually make official rulings over Twitter. He's still not ruling on the actual subject, which are spells that are neither known or prepared, but cast at will.

>>49674467
Actually, I'll do you one better. I'll the character learns silent image as a sorcerer, and only then multiclasses to warlock. Silent image is known as a sorcerer, and associated with sorcerer. By his own ruling, this is a sorcerer spell.

>>49674369
thanks. guess I'll stick with druid for now and ask the GM whether I can switch at level 3, if wildshape isn't working out.

What's the thrust of this weird rule convo?

Is it to figure out whether or not you can find a way to trigger infinite wild magic surges at-will?

>>49674539
Yes. Anon is trying to convince us that he finagled the dongle and now it pisses gold.

>>49674574
Can't you already do it with the DM's approval (which is needed anyways) by just using Tides of Chaos on every single roll possible?

>>49673964
There was a thread earlier where OP asked if barbarians were good in 5e. Autismo-kun came in and derailed the thread by saying that all martial classes are shit and that Eldritch Knight is the best archetype because it lets a martial class become a caster.

He was basically a 3.pf caster supremacy fag. Also he was completely unknowledgable about the system. I thought maybe it was him again, what with the "EK is best."

>>49674603
Yes.

>>49674616
EK is kinda cool flavor-wise though, I agree. If I wasn't perma-DM it's probably my archetype of choice. I really like how Fighter works this edition, and EK hits all the right buttons in my opinion for a multiclass that isn't really a multiclass.

>>49674539
A while ago, I noticed you could get certain "people" progressively more triggered by pointing out raw inconsistencies or nonsense results.

>>49674603
Technically this is all with dm approval anyways, since wild magic rolls only ever happen when the Dm calls for it. The problem with the tides of chaos ability is the same as with the first ability: it requires a first level spell at least. So it is finite, unless you have an infinite source of first level spells.

>>49674646
Tides of Chaos doesn't require a spell - you can use it to get advantage on a lot of rolls:

>Starting at 1st level, you can manipulate the forces of chance and chaos to gain advantage on one attack roll, ability check, or saving throw.

>>49674646
>>49674703
Nevermind, you meant to recharge it for an infinite number of surges.

I'm building my place of power you guys, and I have like, half a year to work with.

Anyone's got ideas? Also, what would you say would happen to a garden where both Hallow and Plant Growth have been cast?

>>49674645
Oh it's definitely fun, I like it as well. It's infinitely better than the champion archetype and opens up a whole can of fun. I just have some PTSD from that other thread, the anon was an example of concentrated retardation that I hadn't seen in a long while.

>>49674729
>both Hallow and Plant Growth have been cast

Those are gonna be some lush fucking plants anon

I want to be EK with Battlemaster stuff...
Is it better to go with Battlemaster 5 / Bladesinger 15, or should I just invest in feat?

>>49674829
Bladelock with the maneuver feat.

>>49674804

I'm planting some terror vines that I'd have packing some extra punch against undead.

I'm also having a few drift globes floating around and an aprentice casting Tiny Hut every eight hours to ensure maximum growth

>Grabbed kobold press beastiary from the trove
>No bookmarks across 430 pages

And that is how I started meticulously adding bookmarks. Wonder if bookmarks stick with the file so I can upload it and help others?

>>49674872
I didn't realize that downsizing it stripped off the bookmarks. I'll upload a fixed version shortly.

>>49674891
There is also an enemy portrait missing early on, the Ala i believe?

>>49674915
There wasn't one in the source file I received.

Can someone carry around Glyphs of Warding that spell store defensive spells, like Dimension Door or Mage Armor?

>>49674616
well, i can tell you i'm not that guy
i just like eldritch knights and felt like posting it

>>49674945
Well shit.

>>49675054
If you cast glyph of warding on an object, the glyph loses its power if the object ismoved more than ten feet away from the location you casted.

The mention of eldritch knights reminds me - the EK section says they can only use wizard spells and cantrips, but some anon said they could use any cantrips because there's cantrips that can be used by wizards, sorcerers, and warlocks

I get where he's coming from but the manual trumps him, aren't those 3-class cantrips meant for those 3 classes and not for archetypes that use a part of them?

>>49675182
No because they explicitly say "part of the Wizard, Warlock, and Sorcerer spell lists", not "can be casted by Wizard, Warlock, and Sorcerer".

A bunch of them are pretty much made for EK anyway, like Booming Blade.

>>49675171

What if I cast it on a table inside a wagon?

What's a good disguise for a necromancer's undead horde, other than the "silent group of soldiers and the necromancer speaks for them" bit?

>>49675171
What if the casting doesn't move, but is activated from a distance?

Consider the following:
>Cast Glyph of Warding on a tile in dank wizard tower. Store Haste or some shit.
>Activation perimeters: Glyph feels 1kg of weight on it.
>Place pot over the top of it, upside down. Nothing is touching the glyph. Put a 1kg weight on the pot.
>Store Drawmij's Instant Summons on the pot.
>Adventure. Upon needing to cast Haste, Activate Instant Summons to teleport the pot to you, dropping the weight, activating the glyph.
>You are the creature who triggered the glyph. You have haste cast on you, no concentration, no additional slots used.

By the same token, is Leomund's Secret Chest a moving space? Or is it a portal to an extradimensional space?
>Cast Spell Storing Glyphs of Warding onto the inside of Leomunds Chest walls, on on the pages of a journal in the chest.
>Activation perimeters: When I touch the glyph.
>Deploy Leomunds chest in battle, reach into the extradimensional space, and touch glyphs to cast spells without the use of spell slots.

>>49675313
Suffering Refugees from lands torn asunder by undead.

>>49675313
I find a trading caravan with wagons full of more skeles works well.

>>49675313
Be a bard, pick up animate dead, and the inspiring leader feat.

Disguise as Southern baptist church choir.

Since there is no [Evil] Descriptor in 5e... I can be Good Necromancer right? right?

>>49675313
Rig them up to stands and say they're a travelling anatomist's demonstration skeletons?

Im running an Abyssal heavy campaign right now, and next session Im going to be introducing a recurring enemy, an orc warlock who has a fiend pact. eventually, I want to have the PCs fighting the Archdevil or Demon Lord that hes got a pact with. My question is, are there any good stat blocks already out there for demon lords or Archdevils, and which one should I choose if there are any good ones?

>>49675391
In the schools of magic sidebar, animate dead is called out as being evil because the corpses are animated by unlife. Like that opposite of life. Doesn't make the person evil, but a person who does it often would probably be evil.

>>49675347
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>>49675377
>>49675392
You guys have some fantastic ideas. The caravan particularly sticks out; I might go with something like that.

Ended last session with a Huge octopus attacking my players ship. They're all 9th level (5 players). What's an appropriate CR for each of the tentacles? I plan on giving each one its own initiative, with the body either using all of them in unison to destroy the ship, or drag it down etc.

What would be the best "summoner" class?

Not like, a minionmancer, I wanna summon elementals and shit like that

I know druids can summon animals or something but that's lame.

Is there any way to do something like that from level 1 and up? I figure since 5e is all about the "action economy" probably not

>>49675345
Works by raw.

>>49675391
whats the obsession of being a "good" necromancer, seriously

it's all over /tg/ constantly. Nothing about toying with the forces of death and messing with corpses and shit is "good" or even "neutral" really.

>>49675447
Conjuration wizard?

>>49675408
Oh sweet, I actually just found the 'out of the abyss' adventure with stat blocks for a ton of demon lords. Unless anyone has a better suggesting, I'll just pick one of these

>>49675470
correct me if I'm wrong but "conjure minor elementals", a 4th level spell, is the earliest I could summon shit to help fight.

I guess 5e just doesn't really support that sort of thing. Any homebrew classes/archetypes out there for what I'm looking for?

a d6 hd caster class that was all about summoning but couldn't do shit by themselves would be what I want

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Now that SoundCloud is a no-go on Roll20, what are you guys using as alternative ways to play atmospheric music for your players in an online game?

>>49675525
What you want, my friend, is a different system.

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Which 1e and 2e modules should I check?

>>49675564
No I don't? I just wanna be able to summon stuff before level 7, level 7 being like months and months of weekly play if you're staring at level 1

hell and then you can only cast it once per day

>>49675550
This, I need to know as well, please.

Since we're breaking glyphs of warding now, you can use it as a 100 reliable divination spell. There is no limit on the trigger, so you can set up triggers like "the population of cats in fantasyland exceeds 1million.". Then have the spell be something like sending. When the millionth cat is born, it hears a telepathic message, meows back in confusion. And you know some strange fact about the world.

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>>49675550
My group is trying to find alternatives as well. I guess some of those sites which you can use to synch youtube videos would be your best bet.

>>49675567
Against the Slave Lords, GDQ (Giants, Drow, Queen), Night Below, Rod of Seven Parts, Isle of Dread...the beholder adventures from Monstrous Arcana are good (can't remember their names, too drunk), of course Dead Gods from 2e Planescape; love that campaign.

Those are just the ones off the top of my head.

>>49675567
Oh, and the Maztica adventures. They're not super duper amazing, but I loved them.

>>49675463
Going against stereotype is a common PC concept. Look at Good Drow Ranger for example, there is nothing in Drow society that would make you "good" or even "neutral".

>>49675463
I dunno. I like my necromancer with his completely broken moral compass. He was exiled from his city because of necromancy, and now he's trying to do some good for the world, but he also knows is necromancy is evil. To him though, it's the only way he really knows.

And even though he still wants to help the world, he believes that the enemies his team kills should serve him, and, if given the power and the chance, would love to storm his city with an army of undead to take back his place. When push comes to shove though, he's all for helping others and stopping bigger threats.

>>49675415
It said animate dead is not a good act. Not that it's being evil. Casting Fireball isn't a good act either and any sane person wouldn't cast it frequently. Does that make a pyromaniac Wizard automatically evil?

>>49675821
>>49675835
god give it a rest. necromancer fetishists are the worst

Is it my fault the DM, that I let rickety drawbridge break on the weight of the combined party while they're riding their horses?

Cause the Fighter pointed a finger at me going "MY MOUNT! NO!!" and I simply said "You never investigated the bridge for its sturdiness and I did describe as being rickety."

Nothing too dramatic (the Fighter is actually laughing at the entire predicament) but I look back and wonder, should I have given more red flags? Or is this okay? New to DMing here along with my newbie DnD friends.

>>49675848
You're the one white knighting corpses brah.

>>49675883
You're okay, but you could have hinted that the bridge creaked and groaned as soon as anyone stepped on it.

How do i make my players discover an ancient ruin while marching on a road towards a town?

My initialplan was to just have some bandit run away with a caravan's goods or whatever, and have them fall down a collapsing roof while chasing him, but it's kinda lame.

Any suggestions? They're on their way to a town, and somehow they end up in some ruins. Also, if you have any good ideas for a simple puzzle in said ruin, that'd be awesome.

>>49675956
Teleportation would always work, like hidden magical symbols around the road, and as the magic user discovers them, he'd piece together the puzzle and suddenly everyone is in the ruins because he was too curious.

>>49675921
white knighting corpses? the fuck you on?

"my character is a good necromancer! necromancy isn't necessarily evil! abloo bloo"

that's just a tired ass played-out character mate. I've played with like, three dudes who've done the exact same shit. and every time they're just the stupid edgy guy that doesn't mesh with the party.

you probably think wanting to become a lich is super cool too. all yall are the same

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>>49676008
>played as an undead skeleton given sentience by a god
>spoke necril
>asked the necromancer's lackeys how they felt about being revived, though in decayed bodies
>"Much better than being tortured in hell."
>mfw

>>49675983
Too explicitly magical for my tastes, especially considering it's just some dirt road, but I'll remember it for later. Also they're all martials, but that's on them, not me.

I wanna start playing 5e. I'm not new to D&D but it's pretty much my first time playing 5e specifically. I come from a background of 3.5, PF, and a liiittle bit of 4e.

What do I need to know that the rulebooks won't tell me?

>>49676113
Rules are loose, lean into rule of cool.

>>49676113
Since you are coming from 3.5 and pf. You can have fun without max stats in 5e.

>>49675883
If they literally rode their horses across you did nothing wrong.

>>49676113
First, multiclassing in the vast majority of cases is a trap. In certain specific cases, it works really well; there's basically no middle ground. Second, numbers are gonna be a lot smaller than pathfinder especially. Other than that, I came from similar background and did just fine.

>>49675983
>>49676056
Just had a great idea!
They travel down the dirt road until they encounter a couple in a caravan, in the process of being robbed by two bandits. Just as they're within range one of the thieves picks up the couple's baby, and the two run away.
The couple then urges the heroes to chase them and get them, which they do, because they're heroes. Turns out it's (obviously) a trap, and they're ambushed by several other theives waiting for them. All the fighting causes the ground to shake and they all fall into the ruins.
The fall hurts the heroes, but kills the thieves.

Boom, gold.

>>49675821
That's hella neutral.

>>49675525
Refluffed necromancer with "conjure earthen warriors" with skeleton statistics.

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>>49675550
There's still decent music in there, just not much and not easy to sort.

>>49674316
If you don't like it then go play Pathfinder and shut the fuck up.

>>49674316
I'm not. I prefer to have a tighter core game, it makes each addition more significant and keeps running the game and homebrewing simpler.

Would Lore Bard 3 / Tomelock 17 work?

Heal and shortsword proficiency is nice. Bardic Inspiration being based on CHA instead of Bard level is good too.

On the other hand... Swashbuckler Rogue 3 seem great too..

>>49675550
I use Watch2Gether until a more permanent solution is in place on roll20.

>>49676244
there is noting to say it wouldnt work, but I never understood this idea that you multiclass to 20 when most games dont go past 10

>>49676294
because these people are planning for their games, which may be intended to go to 20 or not, and it would be wise to hedge ones bets in any case. Simply so you don't get to level 12 and go "well, uh my character has no more reasons to live and/or be a party member ... honestly did not expect this campaign to get past level 10 so I was kinda scrambling through 11" or other dumb crap.

I also know a few DMs for organised play at my FLGS who'll accept any level-appropriate character from any of the other campaigns run at said FLGS, so it's not like all characters immediately die in a literal or figurative sense the moment the campaign ends.

>>49676294
>but I never understood this idea that you multi-class to 20 when most games don't go past 10

it's some form of autism/ a symptom of not actually playing and instead just fantasizing about playing and making characters and shit

even if you manage to get a consistent, great group that plays weekly, it's gonna be literally a year + before you get even close to 20.

If you're doing like 1-3 combat encounters and the GM is using the recomended CR/Experience rates, it'll take literal years of weekly play.

>>49676347
you act as if it's necessary to have your character's "build" planned out if you even make it to those high levels. It's not.

It's not 3.5 or 3.pf man. It's 5e.

>>49676347
fair enough, I can appreciate the theory crafting even if it has never actually come up for me

>>49675463
I've tried to introduce good necromancers into my setting. Sort of a 'bringing the dead back for a little while and thanking them for their service' thing.

My party is thoroughly anti-necromancer, however, given that every single one they've encountered is a blithering psycho

>>49676376
> not starting at level 10
Who has autism now?

Anyone have any advice how to build cities and design them to have enough things going on for the pcs?

>>49676412
build cities in what sense?
civil engineering or game design?

Weird question:
Say there was this young Princess who's traveling in another country and recognizes the people (the party) who had killed her father.
She's not in any position to attack them, as she's not on her own turf and if she reveals her nature they might try to kill her. But she's not about to let them get away unscathed. I could come up with my own best plan, but she's still a (pretty damn smart) kid, so I'm not sure how to limit her own planning abilities to remain reasonable.
They're pretty competent, but she's determined to get at least some sort of revenge. Maybe trying to play the characters against one another by using her apparent innocence?

>>49675848
Nah brah, I'm just finally getting around to playing a wizard, and the idea of getting all of these minions just seemed really fun to me.
>>49676181
Yeah, true neutral is probably the best way to describe his alignment.

>>49676427
game design

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>>49676427
>civil engineering
>on /tg/

>>49676530
>actually revealing herself
>smart
shes a princess, most likely reatively wealthy still, and smart
why would she ever even let the party know the attack is from her in any sense
not only does she most likely have people willing to throw their lives away to get revenge for the king, she is capable of placing a substantial bounty, or finding a way to coerce lesser peoples into doing her work

>>49676634
They know about her as a person, but they don't know her true nature, nor her relationship to the dude they killed. Hell, they don't know anything about her other than the fact that she's a princess and therefore important (and in their interest not to kill).
Like I said, the point is to get the revenge without them finding out she's responsible, or to get these guys so dead it doesn't matter.
>finding a way to coerce lesser peoples into doing her work
Probably the best option, but the issue there is making sure her kill request is untraceable.
There are a couple of untraceable goonies in the general area that would be willing to die to avenge the king, but there's no guarantee they'd be able to get the job done.
The only other option I have planned is an idea that involves another character that happens to be in the area at the time. She would secretly inform him about the fact that one of their former associates screwed his brother over (a fact that's completely true) and use his hot-bloodedness to her advantage.

>>49676700
Maybe sent them on a job that has a high fatality rate, using a trusted middleman to order a bunch of goons to make sure the party dies or to take them out themselves if they survive.

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Hey just wondering what people have found works best for double-ended weapons in 5e. There are a lot of homebrew ideas floating around out there but I have no idea how many have been tested and tweaked. Anyone with experience?

>>49672397
I'm going to have my players meet a wild magic sorcerer that's 10 feet tall.

>>49676747
Set it up like TWF where you can make a bonus action attack with a given damage die, without adding the ability modifier to damage.

>>49676747
Refluff TWF as using a double-weapon.

Can anyone think of a beast (for the Polymorph spell) that is
1) Slow
2) Can't effectively fight
3) Can fit in the claws of a bird (from pigeon to giant eagle)
4) Can't itself fly, and couldn't survive a very large fall.

I need it for . . reasons.

>>49676820
Slug? Sloth? Turtle?

>>49676820
.... a rabbit? a frog? cat, mouse, or a weasel of some sort?

>>49676820
a fish

Are there good supplements (fluff book really) that give ideas how the Faerun factions run? Cause my players ran into the four of them in Lost Mines (Harpers, Emerald Enclave, Zhentharim and Lord's Alliance) and they seem invested in joining one of them. They seem to be assuming that joining a faction will have perks and shit and the Lost Mines book doesn't let on how to do that. DMG has a section but I was hoping for more of it. Trying to think up ideas on perks for what to get in a faction and possibly rules that members must abide to or suffer a kick.

>>49676988
go read sword coast adventure guide

>>49676836
Sloth and turtle are good, I was thinking of slug but it might be a little difficult to find and carry without damaging it
>>49676841
rabbits, cats and weasels are a little fast, prefer something more immobile
>>49676844
Preferably something that doesn't expire out of water.

Sorry, should have specified that it needs to be able to survive in polymorphed form after and during being picked up by a bird.

>>49677086
Koala?

Okay what about Lore Bard 6 / Warlock 4?

I only want Eldritch Blast, Mask of many face and book of ancient secret from Warlock.

>>49672263
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>>49677202
Could work, although they can be vicious little sods. Can't find anything that suggests that you can't polymorph something into a baby version of a beast, just that it isn't a thing in the MM.

I've been working on a way to pick off bigger enemies as a moon circle druid, and I think I can pull it off by polymorphing them, assuming a bird form them, flying them up as high as I can and then dropping them. The advantage of doing so is that they can't even use a slow fall or fly spell to avert the fall, given that spells are suppressed when polymorphed.

Classic bird of prey tactics.

>>49677290
If you are going that route, taking magic initiate for Find Familiar (Owl) might be good for your action economy.

>>49677316
Not a bad idea, although I could also charm an animal for the same purpose. It's a two-man camapign, so most of the combat is either avoided or against one big thing, so action economy takes a back seat to discretion (and style)

>>49672446
Dark Heresy isn't a beer and pretzels game to you?

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I'm gonna make a purchase of the Epic Characters handbook in the DM Guild. Thing is with the 9.99$ I wonder if it's worth the price. Anyway I guess I wanna make that my contribution to the trove but still, in the end it might suck for all of us when it turns out to be shit.

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>>49676988
>>49677370
2 of 4
https://mega.nz/#!9c1j1baR!6_k7-LJtkWSY3AwgqbnVTGUyxUkUpN56y7J-ESfokHQ

and 3 of 4 attached
Vilhon Reach has some info on the Emerald Enclave, as well as their distaste of the Harpers and Red Wizards, iirc.

>>49676988
>>49677370
>>49677397
I thought I had something with more details on the Lords' Alliance, but as it turns out all of their information is very minimal and scattered across several books, so my bad on the false advertising in my numbering!

>>49677450
>>49677370
>>49677397

You're a god damn hero, anon. Thanks. My players are excited about the factions and I wanna deliver them a very structured and detailed avenue if they pursue a career with them or at least use the material in tandem with other adventures they embark.

>>49677370
>>49677397
Thank you very much kind anon!

Hey so I'm trying to create a couple artifacts as McGuffins for the party. The spear of Gruumsh and Corellon Larethian's longsword and longbow but I'm not sure how to stat them out.

Please help me /5eg/ you're my only hope.

How do I make a non edgy non generic af character? I keep finding myself leaning towards special snowflake stuff.

>>49677697
Ask your DM about the setting. Figure out how he fit in society and give him a solid reason for why he's adventuring.

Also don't make a fucking Drow,Tiefling or Dragonborn.

>>49677728
>tfw I was actually thinking of making a Tiefling
I had a feeling that that was a trap. Would a half-orc be equally blase or is that slightly more acceptable? I was thinking of making a Paladin of some sort.

>>49677397
>>49677370

This is good shit but no splats on the Order of the Gaunlet?

I just got to level 5 as a halfling paladin. I'm thinking I'll pick mastiff for my summoned mount, but I'm wondering if there any other good choices I might have overlooked
>>49677393
What does it actually promise to be anyway? If it's just a list of epic boons or something it will probably kind of suck, but epic levels in general kind of have a history of being iffy

>>49677751
As far as I can tell the Order of the Gauntlet was only written up a couple of years ago, most of my FR resources are much older.

>>49677748
Not him, but half-orc is borderline acceptable. If you really want to avoid special snowflake stuff, stick to human (or maybe elf or dwarf) and focus more on his personal circumstances. As the previous anon said, where he comes from, what his mission is, why he's devoted to paladineering, etc.

>>49677697
I enjoy playing as an average guy as characters, pretty easy to whip one up.

>Member of town guard for your whole life
>Generally well liked and never had any serious conflicts during your enlistment so smooth sailing for the most part
>Retire, having a few children who have now left the household, you remain a father figure for your village still, though your wife died a few years back due to illness
>Upstart BBEG tries to fuck with your village/livelihood and you gotta step up even without any real combat experience to put this fool in his place

there you can be Oath of the Crown or something

If you attack a creature that's resistant or immune to nonmagical damage with a normal weapon and Divine Smite it, you attack as normal and ignore/reduce the damage of the weapon itself, right?

>>49677881
Divine smite doesn't make your weapon magical. The damage from the weapon is still halved/zeroed, but unless they have resistance or immunity to radiant the smite damage goes through full.

>>49677850
Half-orc taken in by paladins sounds appropriately not snowflakey right?

>>49677948
Seems good

>>49677948
Well you said not generic so that's kinda generic origin for paladins,clerics, and monk characters in my experience but it's serviceable. Dig into what god his paladin order serves, how his peers and teachers viewed and him any difficulties of growing up whether it was he hated for being a dirty halfie or a brief crisis of faith.

>>49677771
Find Steed? It's pretty much DM fiat. You could ask for a Unicorn or Kirin but whether they will come into that form is up to your DM.

>>49677643
Anyone?

>>49678094
Do what I did and take already-existing magical items (like CoS bloodspear and that one bow from the DMG) and improve on them until they actually feel godly. The help given in the Artifact creation section is pretty good. For an 'Ultimate +X weapon' feel, give it a completely unique power and make it look and feel apparently magical- it's the sort of thing a mortal warrior trembles at the touch of.

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are there any good mulitclass options that's light on casting?

>>49678094
I try to avoid artifact weapons myself since it's kind of hard to do justice to something that a god fights with in my head. I'd probably just go the lazy route saying they're diminished from age, just a +4 weapons that have a handful of spooky, but mostly ribbon side effects (maybe the spear requires you give up an eye to attune or the elf weapons make you more androgynous or some bullshit), and are mostly used for being recognized as a significant figure (ex it's easy to assemble an orc war band when they know you have the spear of gruumsh and want to fuck up some elves)

>>49678148
Rogue/Barbarian is pretty good

When it comes down to it "light on casting" means monk, rogue, fighter or barbarian. Monk seems generally pretty bad for multiclassing to me (aside from with rogue maybe), but otherwise any of those could combine well

>>49675418
I just did a giant squid attack for my party, and got very positive feedback on it. This was a lvl 5 party f 5 though, obviously you'd need higher stats. What I did was, I had 6 tentacles rising up out of the water, they would eacht have the stats of Giant Octopus as in the MM, except for the reach of the attack was 35 ft. Also, while each tentacle had its separate initiative, the hp would be pooled, so no tentacles dying off midway through.

The other 2 tentacles would be coiled around the ship. If they received 20 dmg in one turn, they would retreat, and resurface at the start of the next round. At the end of the round, if 1 (or 2) tentacles would still be wrapped around the ship, I would add 1 (or 2) to the ship destruction counter. If the counter reached 6, the ship would've been destroyed. I did not explain or show this counter mechanic of course, just hint that the ship would creak, and that it might not hold out.

There were also sailors running around the ship or being grapped, which they could save/protect. Like I said, the players loved it, and it got really exciting, the ship destruction counter reaching 5 before the giant squid was scared away (you don't kill a giant squid).

I have this player who is afraid of metagaming. He's new to the game and read up about metagaming and the ire it attracts so he was pretty much controlling himself to not metagame. Like there was this door that had some secret shit on it and he failed his Investigation check and left it, saying nothing wrong with it but his party followed and investigated it again and failed and he started going "Guys, stop that! WE're metagaming already!" and shit.

I'm not sure how to deal with this. I reasoned with him that it's okay the characters investigated again because in context, you guys found a door in the middle of the forest so it's in-character for everyone to be curious if there is more to the door than what the Wizard initially investigated as "nothing wrong with it" and yet he still insists that he read that "multiple skill checks on one point borders on metagaming since we're rolling until we succeed"

He has a good head on his shoulders but dang, he's like the pure anti-metagame police.

>>49672300
>Rebalance the encounters with 5e rules and stat blocks and redo the DCs and it runs great.

that sounds like work though

>>49678457
http://www.allgeeksrejoice.com/2011/06/reverse-dungeoneering-4-how-to-avoid.html

>>49678457
Sounds almost exactly like how I play when I'm not DM. Tell him not to call others on metagaming then it should be fine.

If push comes to shove just state that he can't assume to know enough about the other PCs to say what is at isn't reasonable for them to do.

Trying to scale up a cockatrice to CR 2 (giant cockatrice). Any ideas / stat blocks?

>>49678893
I'd at least give it multi-attack, add a claw attack to the Bite it already has.

>>49678457
Tell im that he is metagaming by trying hard to not metagame.

Maybe use some example he can related: (if you know you drop our phone somewhere in your room, would you really stop searching for it after one search, or would you keep searching until you find it?)

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Has anybody else noticed that the new set of miniatures has 9 repaints within the same set? That seems kind of cheap (even though they have different weapons, so not 100% same mold).

I also noticed that the mini for Yuan-Ti Abomination is medium, although its stats in the MM say it's large. Did I miss something here?

>find the perfect campaign on roll20
>it's text only

what's fun about typing at each other for three hours

>>49679118
>Has anybody else noticed that the new set of miniatures has 9 repaints within the same set? That seems kind of cheap (even though they have different weapons, so not 100% same mold).

I like the options for either ranged or melee weapons. I would have a problem with the thri-kreen having two kinds of melee weapons, but it's a thri-kreen, and they lack miniatures. The hill giant shouldn't have a spear version, though.

>I also noticed that the mini for Yuan-Ti Abomination is medium, although its stats in the MM say it's large. Did I miss something here?

Some of the giants are supposed to be huge. The abomination is just less large, so you can effectively get two large (or a large and a huge) in a single pack. You can always buy or make a larger bage and stick that on it.

>>49672325
i do love the EK, just wish it had better evocation option so that the picture you used atcually would seems doable as a fighting style

Do I just let the player insta-kill someone they're sneaking behind and cutting their throat or do they have to abide the 1d4+3 dagger damage they have?

>>49679176
Humanoid or what? If it's a goblin then maybe, but not if it's a troll

>>49679147
That makes sense about the size.

About the repaints, I do like that I can now have multiple Yuan-Ti purebloods (for instance) on the field, and easily keep them apart. But then, it would've been even better if they'd just done completely different molds for that.

Anyone used modrons for anything? When have you encountered them before?

If someone was insulting you for no reason and you battered him severely, can you still be good or is that neutral?

>>49679289
This is chaotic evil.

>>49679172
Level 7, war magic, makes that pic completely doable.

>>49679297
Really? Even if I was a dwarve and someone insulted my clan? What would an appropriate response be, assuming I wanted to get even?

>>49679318
It is fine for a lawful honor based race, that shouldn't flip your aligment. You'd get a warning maybe if this was part ot a trend.

Fuck that guy.

>>49679318
>What would an appropriate response be
Bend over and spread your buttcheeks.

>>49679297
Lawful stupid DM :^)

>>49679289
Good people to give out severe batterings to other people.

>>49679176
1d4+3. With advantage (so they get sneak attack if they are rogue, which would be enough to kill commoner).

HP also represent character innate luck and will power, anything that help explain why the character is still alive and kicking. (Ie. He crounch down to tie his shoe, you dagger miss his vital spot, etc)

>>49672263
>Hey /tg/ how do you fix combat?

>Great weapon master does too much dmg.
Give people without the feat the posibility of taking a -5 to hit for +5 dmg. Its okay?

>Dual wielder is so shit, than a polearm master with duelist style does more dmg, have more CA and also have one extra attack.
9.5+9.5+9.5 vs 10.5+10.5+9.5. How would you fix it?
I have think about copying some 3.5 feats that gave +1d6 dmg per attack that hits at end of the round without counting the first. So:
1 attack hit -> no extra dmg
2 attacks hit - 1d6 extra
3 attacks hits - 2d6 extra.
These has to be done on the same attack action, so you cant acumulate attacks with the action surge feature..

That or dont let people with the dual wielder feat the 1d8 weapons but they attack with the bonus action as many times with the extra action.

>>49679366
This, but don't feel that if a character is truly helpless that you can't non-combat have them die.

Sneaking up on someone and trying to slit their throat? If they have the HP, they probably got hurt by it, but spun away, or managed to hear something at the last second. The sneak effectively ends upon the attack, and the victim was surprised, but that's it.

Have a prisoner tied down, surrounded by the party, with no chance of escape? Feel free to let whatever the party want to be lethal, be lethal. Mechanical HP is irrelevant unless you mean for them to have a method of survival.

Is Eberron any good for Fifth Edition? I kinda like warforged and magic trains.

>>49679487
Eberron with it's low power level is best played in 5e edition. Shame there's no campaign splat yet.

>>49678270
Absolutely love it and was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks, anon!

Stealing this. I've got a character who has a cloak of the manta ray, so I'm pretty sure he's going to dive under and try to attack the main mass.

>>49679494
>Eberron
>low power level
Lolwut?
Dark Sun is low power level.
Eberron is at least mid. It just has less epic level npcs and gods/avatars running around on the surface.

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>>49679522
Glad you like it. If you're playing with miniatures, make cutouts for the wrapping tentacles, and throw a die to determine where they reattach (if they've been driven off the previous round).

This is what it looked like at our table.

>>49676412
There is a pdf called vordheim or something all about running cities.

>>49679537
>Lolwut?
In D&D 2 dark sun every character starts at lvl 3 because the fucking envyroment is gonna kill you and the npcs were fucking badasses. Also you had a minor psychic power and the gladiator class is like a figther with steroids.

In Eberron the important npcs lvl's were from 5 to 8, even the lords of the blades was only lvl 12. Eberron had a lot of magic and shit going around true, but man thats not power lvl.

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>>49675567
These are the ones I've seen recommended from various people, at least one LotFP though.

>>49677393
I'd say the chance is low for it to be good. I don't trust positive reviews on the site for obvious reasons, and with one review saying the following plus the fact that the previous work by the author is also paid without much to indicate it's that good, I wouldn't do it.
>it is poorly edited and proofed and many of the mechanics are under-explained to the point that they are unusable.

>>49679537
High magic =/= high power. Eberron has more magic than Forgotten Realms, for example, but certainly a much lesser power level.

>>49678457
Really, he isn't wrong in that instance, there is a reason the PHB details the method for multiperson skills, specifically highest bonus gets advantage from the help. Otherwise exactly what he said is what usually happens.
>oh, i normally trust my friends judgement, but he rolled a 2, so let me try
Make them say if they want to try, and follow the rules.

Or don't, it's your game, but i personally like the rules on the subject.

I'm a moon druid with raven familiar (via Ritual caster feat). Can I use communicate with my party via my raven's mimicry? Maybe a simple phase like "danger", "enemy", "good" or "safe"?

>>49672397
How would you fix wild magic surges?

This isn't a call-out. I'm genuinely curious what you don't like and what you think would work better.

>>49672325
>Not glorious oath of ancients pally.

What's the best way to acquire the ability to wear plate as any class without burning too many resources acquiring the ability to?

>>49679951
Either 2 fighter, 1 cleric, or have medium and be a variant human.

So every edition of DnD must be hated with a passion, I think it's a rule. What do people hate about 5e? It looks pretty decent to me.

>>49680100
"Too simplistic"
"(((Mearls))) is a hack"
"All d20 games are swingy garbage"

Since there is no Fine and Diminutive size in 5e. How do you handle stuff like small insect or a mouse?

>>49680100
I'm mostly disappointed in the lack of complementary content.

But I've also come into agreement with people that say the rules are written to interruption beyond healthy encouragement of debate.

I think right now we're in the honeymoon period with 5e and as time moves on more and more people will find 5e distasteful.

>>49680100
Combat is so simple as to be boring, martials are only adequate in combat, meaning half of the classes encourage boring games.

>>49680266
Compare to 3.5 where caster end combat in 1-2 round and martials are also bad at combat though...

>>49680281
To be fair only on /tg/ were "bad at combat", in most groups the Barbarian was consistently the best combat class in the game, or if you played Pathfinder the Alchemist.

>>49680160
Really depends on what you're using them for, who is going round starting fights with crickets?

>>49680517
Do you not stat out crickets when your players want to drive them out of a field? How can you know if they stomp on a cricket or not if you don't have an AC to hit?

>>49680281
Sure, but 3.5 had an easy solution. Tier lists. There is no easy solution to make combat interesting and martials good out of combat in 5e. There are regular debates in these threads about the best way to do it, but very rarely a consensus.

So, we recorded our session and plan on uploading it on some podcast services in the future. Would anyone want to give it a listen before we do that and let us know some things we can improve on or make better to be more entertaining?

>>49680517
Druids want to turn into beetles and start fighting while the party bet on them. What now?

>>49680160
Size is how much space the creature needs to effectively fight or will take up during a fight. Humans generally aren't 5 ft. wide, if you treat insects as 2.5 ft. wide you would similarly need to tell the two gnome players they can't be side by side in a 5 ft. wide hallway.

>>49680598
I'd like a supplementing thing that explains out-of combat use for various things. Like Rage being usable at-will but without the damage and resistance so you can grow stronger to lift/break shit, Fast Hands describing other effects than action economy-related changes, etc. One of my biggest issues with 5e is that it claims that there are three pillars but 90% of abilities are worded or designed with ONLY combat in mind, giving no clear benefit to out of combat stuff.

Another alternative is to make the skill system matter as it's currently pretty weak, but casters gain skills as well so this would only benefit rogue and bard. I do thing physical stats should have less limits though, i.e. the wizard can cast a fireball with his 20 INT so why can't the same-level barbarian break a tree with his fists, climb a building by gripping into the stone with his fingers, etc. But then some people think that's just animu garbage and dislike anything with "wu" in it.

>>49680598
People refuse to publish 5e tier lists out of pure spite though, they can't bare to admit that Mearls didn't fix anything.

What's the best way to build a sword and board fighter?

>>49680976
>Be EK/BM
>Get Shield Master
>???
>Profit

You can even choose between strength or dex since both are fine.

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Any writefags here? I need a good backstory for my 'crusader from Darkest Dungeon' expy in like 2 hours and I suck ass at writing.

>>49679487
You need to adjust things a bit. There's an Unearthed Arcana with most of the races, an Artificer Arcane tradition which needs work, and Dragon Marks.

You need to adjust things so there is a wider spread of minor magical items and fit certain archetypes/traditions to locations.

It seems like it plays fine and I'm running a very episodic Eberron game with 5E as my backup campaign when too many of my main game players can't make it.

>>49681306
Don't be lazy. Make it yourself.

>>49681695
>tfw 500 word essay due in 3 weeks

>>49680824
A 5e tier list would be two tiers, casters and martials. In some way, 3.5e was better balanced because at least the tier system would allow martials and casters to play together.

>>49681710
>500 word essay due in 3 weeks

Surely, you mean three hours...

>>49681710
>can't even write 500 words

why are you playing this game, anon

>>49681720
It wouldn't, A ranger is objectively inferior to a fighter, the absolute minimum I'd attempt is three tiers.

>>49681710
12 year old detected

>>49681770
Possibly. The tier lists would probably still be divided between caster and martial tiers, with the possible exception of rogues making it to a caster tier level.

>>49681794
>>49681747
>>49681740
that is the joke

>>49680824
>>49681720
>>49681770
Back when 5e first released we had a kind anon do damage charts for all the classes and class paths. There was very little difference as far as damage goes between them all. In fact fighters, rogue, and hunter rangers outdamaged casters until level 14. The only caster that starts out above average, but decreases in power until they surpass it again is the moon druid.

In 3.5e, that difference began at level 5 and the gape grew by a substantial amount. That is huge.

Now the tier system also uses 'utility' as a point of reference. High level clerics, high level wizards, high level druids, high level sorcerers, and mid level bards all win in the utility field once they start getting level 5 spells. Clerics, Sorcerers, and Druids have a distinct disadvantage as they have much fewer known spells than in 3.5 so if they decide on utility they have to sacrifice on offense and control.

TLDR: Tiers exist but not with extreme differences between classes. Spells are not as powerful, many require concentration to limit multi-casting. Less spells known. AL and Adventures cap at level 16.

>>49681998
I'm going to sum up your writing, because it doesn't bring anything new to the table: martials deal more damage.

Unfortunately for your point, this ignores the reality that damage is only relevant in a third of the game. Outside of combat, martials are objectively worse, and this has always been the point of the argument in the 5e. Kindly limit your responses to the lack of our if combat utility martials have in the future.

Since 5e weapon doesn't have a size...

Can a tiny character use wield a shortsword or rapier ?

It...it's not like I just came from a mouse guard campaign or something! Baka!

>>49682154
>mouse guard
fag

Druids and the Fey: allies or enemies?

So one of my players wanted to roll an aarocka sun sol monk which I thought was going to be really fun but in the last session he tried to use his wings to fly vertically up and use the sun sol ranged attacks to rain fire from above. The problem is when an enemy moved to attack him he went "but im still like 30 ft in the air he cant hit me". In the end I ruled that since the enemy had a lance he could still hit his feet or whatever but im afraid he's the type to exploit anything he can to win and will cheese future encounters. Is there a rule why he cant do this or am I wrong?

>>49682314
He can naturally fly and shoot magic, so his character has a distinct advantage against earthbound enemies with no ranged weapons. Let him have his moment.
Then plan future encounters that take place in dungeons with low ceilings, against other creatures that can fly, or against competent ranged attackers.

>>49682314
>Is there a rule why he cant do this
Yes, it's called ENEMIES WITH RANGED WEAPONS.

>>49682154
A monster manual sprite is tiny, wields a "longsword" and does 1 damage on a hit.

>>49682146
The complaint was martials are only adequate in combat. This can be read in two ways: Martials deal average damage in combat or martials have no meaningful abilities outside of combat. I addressed the average damage side and the tier responses.

Now you raise two separate complaints. Outside of combat martials are worse and that martials lack combat utility.

What are the 'three' parts of the game: Combat, Interaction, and Exploration?

Rangers, followed by druids and clerics win for survival in the wilds.

Rogues, followed by bards and warlocks win for social beguiling.

Those are two martials that can beat or compete with casters outside of combat. I'll repeat that a caster using known spell slots for those basic purposes is hobbling themself.

As an aside, with backgrounds any character regardless of class can be good at something related to interaction or exploration.

For combat utility, martials have an advantage with hit points and with defenses. In 3.5, a caster could 'buff' themself with fifteen different buffs that lasted the whole day, making them untouchable and unkillable. In 5e, a caster can cast 1 buff that lasts for as long as they concentrate on that single spell. This changes with Foresight, but by that level the game is over. Concentration checks are brutal if your DM forces you to use them. Martials will be hit less often and survive more damage, that is utility. That allows you to make strategic plays. To cut off a retreat. Distract a foe. Seperate a group. You do it with your body. Not some sissy vines on the ground.

>>49682428
>Those are two martials that can beat or compete with casters outside of combat.
Which ones are these?

>>49682453
This guy..

>>49682314
I can't see a reason he cannot do this. He might not be harmed by a lot of creatures, but he can be normally targeted by ranged attackers and spells, and there are a couple of spells that "counter" flight, like earthbind (lvl 2 spell from elemental evil) and basically anything that makes him unconscious (which also means he takes damage and falls prone, check PHB for more info).
Also remember that he cannot fly everywhere, like inside buildings, caves & narrow places. So he should be able to use his features and have fun without abusing it all the time. If you feel like he's trying to abuse it, throw some creatures with earthbind or something similar at him till you get the results you want.

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So boys, I joined a game where I had to roll stats in order. What can I do with this spread?

STR: 14, DEX 15, CON 15, INT 14, WIS 7, CHA 14

I'd like to avoid gishy classes like Paladin, EK, Bladelock, etc. Also, thoughts on Dex barb? Other than "shit meme class"?

Is 5e easy to pick up and learn, from both a player's and DM's perspective?

>>49682428
Caster spells beat rangers at exploration and survival. Goodberry for instance completely invalidates the rangers food proficiencies.

Backgrounds apply equally to all classes, and this aren't relevant for this discussion.

The only martial that can compete with casters for out of combat utility is the rogue. One exception is not a grand counterpoint. Also, the rogue is a worse skillmonkey than the caster version, the bard. So there's that.

In combat, martials deal more damage to single targets, but casters have aoe damage and aoe disables, making it roughly even there.

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>>49681695
I'm crunched for time and can't do it myself, please?

>>49682494
From a players perspective, yes. From a DMs perspective, sort of. 5e is more work for the Dm, because the edition doesn't give you a lot of tools to make things interesting.

>>49681032
Yeah but doesn't the Shield Master shove rely on Athletics

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>>49682488
Party is Wiz, Monk, Warlock, Cleric.

I've looked at Valor Bard and Barbarian (real, not DEX). I know there are class options out there, I just don't know where to start looking. I also feel like picking up a WISless Rogue is asking for trouble.

>>49682488
Be a half-elf warlock. 16s in cha, dex, and con means you'll be okay.

>>49681306
Gabriel loved cocks. He was widely considered the biggest slut amongst the camp followers by the elite crusaders of the tenth light. But one day, as he was being mounted by a powerful ebony paladin, the army was destroyed by occult magics. Taking up the sword of the warrior still inside him, he vowed to never take another cock up his ass, or in his mouth until he brought the evil doer responsible for his lover's deaths to the sword. Unfortunately a life time if taking "swords" up his "sheath" did not train him for using weapons. So he trains, and does odd jobs, using the money to visit male prostitutes and okay then to have sex in front of him. The cuckoldry keeps him on edge, forever reminding him of what he lost.

>>49682581
>>49682488
Seconding this. Those are decent starting stats for a level 1. And you a re warlock so you don't have to give a shit about wisdom skills.

>>49682314
Having the lance hit him was a bad play. He can fly so let him fly. Be sure to adjust future encounters that you want to be challenging to include enemy spellcasters or enemy ranged users. Plus, one good hit that makes him unconscious while in the air is an instant failed death save. Most humanoid foes have secondary ranged weapons to deal with characters at a distance. In dungeons and caves his flight will be of limited use.

>>49682608
What the goddamn fuck.
But you should use this OP.

>>49682536
Still a good feat, and dex is so good that it's still a viable option. It depends on when you take it, if you want to build a character around it/get it early with variant human/feat before maxing strength, then that is the best way to go. But going dex means you are a dex fighter, with the benefits that comes with. You'll be maxing dex first most likely, can't dump str (take athl) and may take another feat or boost CON before shield master, but I'd still take it at some point for the alright shove and dex save shit.

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>>49682581
>>49682620

Like, real Warlock? Or some kind of Bladelock?

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Here's some shitty homebrew for you, /tg/, I know how you're always after that.

>>49682519
Roll for it, then. Background tables.