Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

Can you guys go back to /vg/ already.

Why'd they decide to retcon the worgen into some druid's curse?
I preferred the Arugal experiment's version.

>>49671150
Werewolves fit well with druidism. Just like in D&D and MTG.

>>49671150
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>>49671121
>implying I was ever on /vg/

>>49671030
>Onyxia
>true high queen of anything

No.

Also, what do you think the generation gap is like on Azeroth right now? Is it just "born before the Dark Portal" vs. "born after the Portal," or is there a whole thing where every three years creates a new generational culture?

>>49671121
Some people should go to /wowg/ if their aim is to discuss WoW the game, but that's not the case for everyone and hopefully the majority of the people here.

>>49671150
I'm fairly certain that Arugal had actually summoned the Worgen in by accident in Vanilla and from my vague memories of questing in Duskwood they have always been tied to Druids in some fashion what with the Scythe of Elune being mentioned since Vanilla.

>>49671837
I hope they announce legacy servers at Blizzcon so I can explore these questlines again rather than waiting for another private server.

>>49671581
What about that time when the Dark Portal went live again and what about that other Dark Portal and the Dark Portal in the past?

>>49671150
>Why'd they decide to retcon the worgen into some druid's curse?
Scytche of Elune was a thing in vanilla as well.
There were Worgen in ashenvale. A rare one there dropped a blue leather hat.
I think it was one of the earlier headpieces you could get for leather wearers.
Felt nice getting it.

Going back on the paladin stuff in the last thread, do independent paladins who go around zealously following their own moral compass exist or are they all part of some order?

>>49672696
Logically speaking, that should be a nonzero probability. I'm not sure about precedents in lore (far too many named paladins to check) but it should theoretically be possible to find a cowboy cop paladin who plays by his own rules.

>>49672811
Last one was Arthas and look how that turned out.

man, these threads haven't had a good OP picture in ages

too many faggots from /v/ and /vg/ here shitting up the place with their waifu shit

>Make repairs, we are going back to Argus

What did Prophet Velen mean by this? Is he trying to an hero the Draenei?

>>49672886
>>49672811
It's fun to imagine that the big paladin orders have subsects dedicated to hunting down paladins with the "wrong" convictions. Like they let the independent paladins go around doing their thing but once one of them starts indiscriminately killing in the name of their ideology they send out their hounds to take them down.

>>49673003
Clearly he thinks a spaceship-city full of people can conquer a fortress planet.

Well, if said spaceship is filled with murderhobos it just might work.

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>>49673033
>he thinks a spaceship-city full of people can conquer a fortress planet
This sounds like a great journey to me.

>>49673071
the Legion already called dibs on being the Covenant

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>>49672937
I repeat

>implying I was ever on /vg/

>>49673109
The Covenant had three prophets, anon. We already got Prophet Velen. Who do you think the other two are?

>>49673007
>Infernal Affairs

>>49673123
Dead and imprisoned

>>49673123
Big A and Killa K

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Glory to Gilneas!

As a worgen player, I am immensely happy with their handling of the race and Genn. It's not Mary Sue, it's sensible, it's bloody perfect. I finally feel like I can RP someone that fit with its own race, faction and leader.

That and Genn is an amazing character right now. I do admit I had completely forgotten he had a son and that said son was killed by the Banshee Bitch fucking ages ago though.

>>49671837
Correct. There was a caravan that got ambused, and the Scythe of Elune was lost, the night elf carrying it killed. The woods were cursed ever since, give or take.

Would a Gilnean forsaken be alright to roleplay or was it only those three specific dudes that were turned into forsaken?

>>49673276
Wasn't there something about worgendom that made them resistant to the process? Beyond that, if you were a Gilnean in name but were stuck outside the gate, it would make sense.

>>49673305
Was every Gilean subjected to the curse? I was mostly operating under the assumption that there may have been isolated pockets of Gilneans that just hid in the woods or something while shit went down, only to get fucked up by forsaken troops in the aftermath.

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Who should he take as Queen /tg/?

>>49673349
Tess Greymane
the Old Wolf's gotta kick the bucket some time, might as well make sure there's an heir waiting

>>49673337
The woods were not safe at all, between the feral worgen and the beasts.

That's the whole "funny" point about pretty much every race in WoW and especially the Cataclysm and MoP races.

You're from a sub-division of an already endangered race, yet you see fuckers qharing your blood 24/7.
Obviously gameplay imposes limits, but realistically, Azeroth would be pretty fucking empty.
Goblins and Pandaria obviously have the prize, for being survivors of a subfaction of an already depleted race. You'd have 500 Gilneans max walking through Darnassus' gate, and all the goblins were barely enough to fill a boat, and not a big one. Pandarens are a select few of an island havinf a single tiny village on it.

But anyway, it's just silly lore and gameplay implications. If we had to care about all the NPCs that died and them acrually impacting the game, Orgrimmar and Stormwind would have lost their armies since week 3 of Vanilla.

>>>49670155
Bruh. The company is literally Activision blizzard.

>>49673403
That's actually a decent and sensible choice. It would be absolutelt logical, in order to indefinitely unitethe two kingdoms and completely assimilate the Gilneans.

I'm stil mad he isn't the Child of Light and Shadow and that Illidindu got the role.

>>49673428
Goblins and Worgens*

Just curious, was the existence of Stormwind in WoW a retcon; ie wasn't it implied in WC3 that Jaina's forces on Theramore were the only surviving Alliance left from the Eastern Kingdoms?

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>>49673349

>>49673403
>the heir to Stormwind is also the heir to Gilneas

>inb4 several generations of selective breeding produce a King of Queen of Stormwind who is also the rightful King/Queen of every other human kingdom

>>49673557

That would be terrible to the lore and I can completely see Blizzard doing this.

>>49673511
Nah, Stormwind had been rebuilding since WC2 while the orcs were busy coming down from their kool-aid rush in the camps.

>>49673557
who then marries Moira Thaurissan Jr. and produces an heir to all of humanity + the Dark Iron and Bronzebeard clans

>>49673557
That'd be some Habsburg-tier marriage politics.

>>49671927
Scythe of Elune was a thing in vanilla and the lore said it summoned cruel creatures from another world.

Worgen being druids gone feral is a retcon.

>>49673557
>>inb4 several generations
then the claims become minor and Sylvanas grows to have a lawful claim over Lordaeron

>>49673337
The Gilnean settlers in Val'shara left before every other gilnean got infected

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>>49673428
Darkspears are the smallest and most civilized of all the troll tribes on Azeroth, and that's saying something.

>>49673583
>eventually, marriage politics result in a single rightful heir to literally everything
>everything from Chieftain of the Frostwolf Clan to King of Stormwind to Lich King to Archdruid of the Cenarion Circle

>eventually it's all revealed that a single entity has been playing Cupid over decades or even centuries specifically for this purpose

But who was it?

>>49673676
Civilized? You mean after zandalari?

>>49673734
The murderhobo of course.

Honestly old troll lore and old worgen lore is my favourite lore.

>>49673734
Topper MccNabb, or, alternatively, Budd.

It was all a facade all along, and everyone fell for it.

>>49673403
Don't the Gilneans prefer to keep to themselves anymore?
Figured a local noble would make more sense for Tess.

>>49673511
New Stormwind is standing already in the wc2 expansion.

It is mentioned in the wc3 manual that Stormwind under Varian is still an ally, but with the distance of the great sea between them Lordaeron is mostly left on its own.

>>49673943
That would also prevent Gilneas from becoming a literal vassal state under Stormwind.

>>49674041
Wonder if the word 'vassal' ever been used in the history of Warcraft.

>>49673003
He means that after ten thousand years he is finally tired of Kil'jaden's jilted ex girlfriend bullshit.

>>49673403
That's a damn good political move so it ain't happening.

>>49673349
Sylvanas, after she turns him undead :^)

>>49673572
...I mean why would that be terrible? Its a logical way to cement an alliance between the two surviving major human kingdoms.

>>49674782
Lordaeron will NEVER need the help of the southerner emigrants!!!!!!!!!

>>49675028

Technically Lordaeron survivors are the refugees fleeing to Stormwind this time round.

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When will she make night elves great again?

>>49675093
When Malfurion and his supporters are dead.

>>49675133
>implying Maiev can eliminate a Sith Lord

>>49673734
Kel'thuzad. He just wants a hug, its natural for him to want others to hug

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>>49675174
She just needs to seduce Tyrande!

>>49675174
>implying she didn't close a demon portal by clogging it with an army of demon corpses by herself

>implying she didn't kill Illidan with our help

>saying she couldn't kill a tree hugging Sith Lord

>>49671030
>TYRANDE! I NEED YOU!

Why was Val'sharah the funniest zone?

>>49675270
I laughed so hard at Malfurion when I wasn't rolling my eyes at the whole scenario.

>>49674531
nope

>>49675055
All Lordaeron survivors either died during the battle for Gilneas or took the Worgen curse to prevent undeath

>>49675339
Except of course, the rightful queen.

And yes, despite her inferred abdication, I do refer to Caila. It is only right that she inherit her father's crown. Then maybe, just maybe some good can come to the House of Menethil once again.

>>49675363
ffs why even bring her back if they are going to do nothing with her

>>49675395

They don't want to piss off the Forsaken fans since they wuz Lordaeron.

What do you think Stormwind was up to during the Third War?

>>49675363
Lordaeron is dead. It's never coming back. Accept it.

>>49675452
>thank light that it wasn't us [thumb twiddling intensifies]

>>49675452

Rebuilding.

>>49675452
I bet those naggers haven't even erected procedures to fight against the plague.
Just need to dump some necromancers in Westfall and it's RIP humanity.

Wait, so how were the Orcs able to inhabit Grim Batol if Modgud cursed the place to become uninhabitable?

>>49675537
Weren't there necropolises dotting the landscape during the WotLK launch event?

>>49675270
>malfurion and tyrande crying more than a mexican romance show
>BEHOLD MY CURSE
>I've given up everything, what have you given?
>An illusion! What are you hiding?

legion is the worst expansion for voice-overs, holy shit

>>49675777
They also gave Jarod Shadowsong a babby's voice instead of a man's voice that commanded thousands of people of varying species.

>>49675793
Jarod has always been and will always be Knaak's self-insert.

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>>49675777
>Xavius corrupts Ysera and flies away on the now horrifyingly evil-looking dragon.
>Tyrande rides in
>Tyrande: "Where is my husband?!"
>Me: "Woman, did you not just SEE what just fucking happened?!"

>>49671030
> Starting a thread with borderline NSFW art from a highly established porn artist
> tfw I recognized the artist instantly by the thumbnail, didn't even need her siggy in the corner.
> tfw OP doesn't even bother trying to hide this.

OP what the fuck are you doing? This is a BLUE board!

>>49675820
wait I thought Krasus, Rhonin, Broxigar, Shandris, etc. was

where does it end

>>49675363
What's she even supposed to do with that crown? Lordaeron has even less going for it than Gilneas. The Forsaken are all that's left of it, and they'll most likely not accept anyone other than Sylvanas considering how indoctrinated they are, much less someone living.

>>49675841
I'm glad I'm not the only one who recognizes personalami's stuff instantly.

>>49675841
I know right, it should had been cropped porn.

>>49675825
as much as we're supposed to be fighting the legion, I just sympathize with them. Please wipe out all the nelves if these are the major characters they have to offer

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>>49675465
Never.

Yes I know that's the Icon of Courage.

>>49675869
It's not even that hard. PersonalAmi's art is almost exclusively made with these baby-smooth skin tones, which nobody else does like ever. I recognize her because looking for warcraft porn is the easiest and fastest method I know for obtaining porn with a pointy-ear fetish. And I'm too much of a lazy bastard to fix sadpanda

>>49675851
A legitimate ruler of Lordaeron (and the elimination of Balnazar) could help bring the Scarlet Crusade to heel. With them under the direction of someone who would point them at the correct enemies, they could easily become a force for good.

An army of paladins and priests, hardened by despair and zealotry and manipulated by a demon - purified and reforged by the rebirth of HOPE.

Don't you think that would make a lovely story?

>>49675820
>>49675844
jarod is knaak's one and only cool character

>>49675933
you can't disrupt the status quo by displacing the forsaken

>>49675951
That doesn't change the fact that whenever Knaak took hold of him he became the savior of the gods "can do no wrong" self-insert. When others have hold of him, he's aight.

>>49673676
i hate that that pic isnt a specific character, cause its totally my waifu

>>49675933
The priest already brought the less fanatical parts of the Scarlet Crusade back into the fold. The rest were massacred by Death Knights and the Scarlet Crusade is now completely destroyed.
This happens in their respective class campaigns

>>49675994
whenever knaak has hold of anything it's cancer though

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>tfw you legitimately enjoyed War of the Ancients

>>49676033
Oh.

Well, I guess that works too. Thanks, Ebon Blade, I guess.

>>49676131
I did, too. But, I was also in high school at the time, so my views on it may be different if I read them now.

>>49676131
I love the concept of so many of the old armors that Blizzard made, but looking at them now is almost painful. It really would be nice to see them revamp them with at the very least HP textures.

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>>49676224
>HD* textures, I mean.
Nemesis set as just a point of example

>>49675339
Or went to kalimdor with jaina, or hung around in various factions hiding from the undead.

>>49675395
Having a human kingdom of lordaeron is complicated too complicated for blizzard.

When it is unknown what Calia is up to then that complication persists in that players still ask about it.
Now that Calia is brought back, and says she doesn't want to be queen of lordaeron, that issue is solved for blizzard.

Also why Stromgarde died, why kul tiras is forgotten and why gilneas turned into dogs.
Too complicated to have more than one human faction.

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>>49676301
What a shame too considering that Azeroth is the most boring human faction.

>>49675793
I like that Jarod's kind of unassuming.

>>49676424
It just felt whimpy. George Washington in Turn is far more believable as "unassuming": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke5A5l--p94

>>49676354
Nigga, all of the human nations are damn-near identical in aesthetic and culture.

>>49676467
If we accept that realistically these human populations number in the millions, we should also be able to assume that cultures begin to diversify when distances become great and environments vary.

>>49676467
no

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>>49676131
That nelf is just...wow

>>49676508
We could accept that, and it's a logical conclusion to make, but very little has ever distinctified the human kingdoms in Warcraft outside of color and location.

There's literally nothing more boring about Stormwind than there is about any of the other human nations.

If Stromgarde had been chosen as the token human nation in WoW, anon would be complaining about them being the most boring nation, because it's what we have and not what we don't have.

The only human kingdom to be given a unique aesthetic is Gilneas come Cataclysm with the pseudo-Victorian design.

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>>49676593
Found a bigger one, anon.

>>49671581
She can be the true high queen of my dick

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Stormwind best bastion of humanity.

>>49676610
>tfw no amazon elf qt to whisper in your ears, husky and smooth

I know they're not really canon at all any more (though they had a lot of stuff that became canon before any other source), but I was looking at the old pre-WoW RPG books and what interested me was the supplementary rules one of the books had for arcane and divine magic.

Basically, arcane magic is addictive and causes insanity and mutations if you really overuse it (fel magic even more so, being risky to use at all, while with normal wizard magic you basically had no problem if you just took a break from casting spells every once in a while), but if you were willing to take those risks you could get more power out of it. There were rules for getting more power if you like, "pushed" a spell, or used demon blood, in exchange for having to do a will save and if you lost it you got corruption points and et cetera et cetera. Divine magic wasn't addictive, but was powered by faith/conviction/willpower, and occasionally fate or whatever powers the caster served would conspire to test them. If you failed it your powers would weaken but if you succeeded you got a renewed faith bonus for a while.

In lore, these things are... sort of canon? It's left ambiguous, there are some hints that they are the case but they could be ignored. My questions are, first, what would people prefer, for those sorts of thing to be canon or not? Second, if a GM of yours used systems like this, would you like it, or would you prefer to be able to wizard it up without having to be careful?

And while I'm asking, I just want to check: the ability to use the Light is based on conviction, that's canon, yes? You need skill and experience to cast spells well too, but the amount of raw Light power you can put out is based on your faith. But you don't actually need to believe in "the Light" to use the Light, do you? Or even know about it? You can think you're getting your powers from a god or the sun or a talking crystal or a loa, but so long as you really believe, it works. Is that right?

>>49676793
>Second, if a GM of yours used systems like this, would you like it, or would you prefer to be able to wizard it up without having to be careful?
like it

>>49676714
>alliance gets both night elves&draenei as their fapable races
>horde only has cheap knockoff blood elves

>>49676953
femorcs and trolls got them dances tho

>>49676793
Arcane magic has been distanced from being fel lite and damning you forever because it was the shit the titans used to order the universe and also was tied to a whole dragonflight, ley lines, and other stuff that was inherantly a part of Azeroth.

Arcane magic can still be addictive and give you a bad case of "The power...the INFINITE POWER! AHAHAHAHAHA!" but damning yourself for power/a noble cause is more wholely the province of warlocks and demon hunters and death knights and sometimes shadow priests and really isn't that enough.

As far as priests go, the Light being the patron of various gods is....debated. No one's entirely sure and the mods haven't clarified as far as I know-people have theories and priest magic sure LOOKS like the Light, but a Troll praying to the Loa uses priest magic as well as a human praying directly to the Light.

As Father Jack'd say, That would be an ecumenical matter.

>>49675551
Either the curse specifically targeted dwarves, expired when the orcs moved in and the dwarves just haven't checked in the meantime, or the orcs just didn't given a shit.

>>49675412
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0W3UwnzmRhc

>>49677069

Hm, ok.

Another thing: at one point, it was given as fact that the use of arcane magic on Azeroth is what attracted the Burning Legion to it, that the demons didn't notice Azeroth was around until the night elves started using the Well of Eternity. It was supposed to be because of this that the high elves put a bunch of big runestones around Quel'Thalas, because they dampened whatever signal it was that arcane magic use caused. Since rune magic seems linked to the Titans, it's easy enough to imagine that "authorized" arcane magic users like titan constructs and the dragons also had some sort of dampening like that built in. And then when the elves taught arcane magic to humans, the human mages started using magic all over the place and the demons were able to come back.

Has all of that been totally shredded by now? And if it has been, what were the runestones of Quel'Thalas for? Their existence is pretty solidly established.

While I'm asking... where does arcane magic come from? Fel magic you can draw out of the Nether from basically wherever, I think, but last I knew arcane magic on Azeroth came from the Well of Eternity, and was freely available after the Sundering because the explosion basically splattered it all over the place. Like... arcane magic is basically Titan blood, now? So Azeroth has it and the other Titans had it.

So, where is it coming from when you use arcane magic on Draenor? Or on occasions where you travel to some other off-world location, like a demon planet?

And you know what else, talking about worlds: Outland. Is it in the Great Dark Beyond or in the Twisting Nether? It was pretty clearly SUPPOSED to be in the Nether originally, but now they have this demon immortality retcon. Is Outland supposed to be like, on the border of some hole where the Nether leaks out into the Beyond?

>>49674782

Because we used to have 7 unique Human kingdoms but Blizzard has destroyed them one by one except SW in order to streamline things for WoW.

>>49677691
Quel'Thalas was founded about 3k years after the Legion first invaded and Well of Eternity exploded.

Runestones concealed the Sunwell, kept demons away, and also played a role in the shield that protected Silvermoon from invading armies: without Dar'khan's betrayal, Scourge wasn't able to get to the Well

Anyway, Warcraft RPG is NOT canon, so nothing found there is a part of lore unless it was also present in valid sources: Games, Chronicles, novels (not sure if all or just some of them)

So what's everyone's opinion on the ARMY OF THE LIGHT and the fact that we've got a bunch of outer space Draenei noone previously knew about?

>>49677882
what other outer space space goats?

>>49677069
DH and DK give everything for the greater good, DH are just more assy about it.

Warlocks do it for shit and giggles.

>>49677901

In Legion it turns out the survivors of the Burning Legion's conquest of all their planets have formed a giant army to take the fight to them. They are led by Turalyon (hero of WC2 who survived the destruction of Draenor). The Draenei apparently form the bulk of the army and they are currently entrenched on Argus (their home world).

>>49677882
>Mysterious RUK tolds you about it
>Mysterious RUK that was shat out of a felstorm
>Mysterious Army of the Light representative is a DREADLORD
>Mysterious RUK that is totally 100% holy
>Mysterious RUK can only speak when touched by an elune relic that has been used to corrupt ysera by a demon-old god minion
>DKs don't turn into puddles of necrotic flesh when touched by said light being

Jeez.
Sure it doesn't sound suspicious.

>>49677986
lore gets stupider every day.

>>49677992
>>DKs don't turn into puddles of necrotic flesh when touched by said light being
which is something that bothers me.
During WoTLK, ysera has a portion of the emerald dream direclty superimosed on dragonblight which is supposed to kill all non 4saken undead there.

I made sure to take my DK there and re enact thriller every day without fail and laugh at the stupid bitch.

Glory to the scourge.

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Redeemed succubi confirmed to exist in WoW /tg/.

>>49678151

Ebon Blade DK are Humanoid like the Forsaken

>>49678183
>redeemed succubi

So..they fuck all the good little light followers to reward them for them faith? sign me the fuck up.

>>49678183

>creatures renown for duplicity despite their superior combat abilities
>master infiltrators who destroy from within
>"redeemed"

All of my wut

>>49678183

Why are dreadlord voices always fantastic?

>>49671837
Yeah, and Arugal's notes or whatever talked about getting them from another dimension. It's pretty obvious that it was actually meant to be the Dream all along.

>>49678274
You can fool a person, but you can't fool the Light.

If the Light itself accepts him, clearly he's the real deal.

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>>49678430
At least Blizzard decides to throw in some stupid shit like legion aligned shade of Light.

>>49678430

>cant fool the light
>a naaru is still sitting outside of BT helping us to kill Saviordin

>>49673798
They changed the troll lore?

>>49678430
The Light accepts anyone with enough conviction. That's why Arthas in the last chapter of human campaign/Scarlet Crusade can use it.

>>49678585

Outland is still literally in the past.

>>49678659
>outland is in the past
>northrend is in the past

So just how much of the time travel would leveling from 1 to whatever fuck is the current level cap is require? Presuming of course that the player plays through all xpacks.

>>49678632
>tfw no more Prince of Bants

>>49678723
Tbh Arthas did nothing wrong in human campaign.

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>>49678677

So, how come there is another dimension with the same orcs in draenor but there is no burning legion? Or there is a burning legion there? If there is, how did it allow KJ from original dimension to steal guldan for his purposes and fuck up their plans?

>>49678809
it was an excuse to have the best orc, Gul'dan, back, nothing more.

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When is someone going to suck all the titan juice out of Tyrande and turn her back into a QT troll?

>>49678832
What?

Why would you-

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>>49678832

>>49678832
could you be more of a disgusting cuck? [without being illidan that is]

>>49678855

because trolls are cute and night elfs are gross

>>49671121
This.

plz go back.

>>49678723
>Implying Bolvar won't reveal to be the one true lich king

No banter now, only service.

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>>49678183
Pfhahahahahaha!

Please explain to me why this is a thing.

Meanwhile

>Whitemane
>Ebon Hold public relations

> WC3 Arthas is a wisecracking asshole, who keeps pissing off demons and thousand year of elves with aussie tier bants
> WoW Arthas is a generic evil overlord with a booming voice
For what purpose

>>49679236

They swapped voice actors for most of the characters between WC3 and WoW. The guy who does Arthas in WoW is actually the guy who did Kel'Thuzad in WC3, weirdly enough. A lot of the VA's from the RTS games were not even asked to come back, for example Kerrigan's original VA said she would have done SC2 almost for free if she'd been offered.

>>49679265
It's not even about the voices, it's about the dialogue and personalities. It's like the didn't even care. But then again, they made Varian into a wise king from a warmonger and Jaina from a peace-loving pacifist into literally Hitler in a single expansion.

>>49679296
>they made Varian into a wise king from a warmonger and Jaina from a peace-loving pacifist into literally Hitler in a single expansion.

Those both happened during the production team switch. Cataclysm was the first Expac produced fully by the new design team and they just went all over the place with the plot

>>49679296
>>49679350
To be honest though, Jaina changing made sense in the face of continued troubles she experienced and the fact that the orcs took a steaming shit on her attempts of peace.

Sadly, any character that "at last truly sees" what the Horde always was is slated to be killed off as a raid boss. Varian got the axe for a remote threat that they will end them next time, so I can only guess Jaina will get the full works.

>>49678809

Burning Legion exists in infinite timelines. This is canon and quoted by Blizz. Also demons can only be truly killed in the nether or on Argus. Otherwise they are immediately redirected back in the nether. So yes, Archimonde never died at Hyjal and the Night Elves lost their immortality for nothing.

>>49679410
Sounds like they're going to reuse Archimonde and Mannoroth as bosses again.

>>49679449

They already did. Archimonde is the final boss for the Druid campaign.

>>49678274
Don't worry, in Warcraft "the Light" doesn't work the way it does in D&D. In warcraft the light will aid anyone that believes in it and has enough confidence that what he/she dust is the right thing to do. You do not have to be morally good to do it. That is why for example the Scarlet crusade member can still wield the light even tough they are arguably psychotic maniacs that torture, main and kill most that are not "one of them" be they humans or undead or however.

>>49679456
It's just a Nightmare.

>>49679410
Well, they saved the world, if just for a while.

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>>49676610
>Purple freckles

>>49679265
>A lot of the VA's from the RTS games were not even asked to come back, for example Kerrigan's original VA said she would have done SC2 almost for free if she'd been offered.
Now here is where one should ask the FOR WHAT PURPOSE question. Are games literally at the point where they going through the celebrity disease now?

>>49679397
rip milf jaina, you were too good for this world of war craft

>>49678183
That is one ugly succubus, 0/10would not bang.

>>49679501
They did keep Raynor though...

>>49679501

They almost didn't bring back Robert Clotworthy to voice Jim Raynor for SC2. It was only after negative fan reaction that they did.

>>49679501
She probably wasn't famous enough so that they could list her as a celebrity voice "talent".

>>49679526
Celebrities are hardly talent but they are definitely cancer.

>>49679517
>>49679518
But WHY?Why do they insist on changing the old voices that people have known for YEARS! What is the logic? If the old voice actor, did a good job back then and doesn't want huge amounts of money now what is the friggin' problem? Did they get old? Did they ruin their voices? They stopped voice acting and got out of practice? They work for a different studio that requires 100% of their time? What is the reason?

>>49679526
So IT IS the celebrity disease. I KNEW IT!

>>49679545
see
>>49679526
>>49679541

Anybody did the Moonguard questline in Suramar? Who are these Night Elf Mages and why didn't they get Malfurion's memo to stop practicing arcane magic? Are they with the same lot from Dire Maul?

>>49679555
I thought they were Dark elves not trapped within the city?

>>49679581

But they use Nelf models.

>>49676224
Agreed.

Hell, vanilla and BC greens and blues are still the most popular transmogs by a huge margin. Anything wrath onward that isn't a tier set is trash.

>>49675777
Dargrul and the drogbar have great VA though, fucking shan ronhir

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>>49678832
The same day Maiev becomes a demon hunter

>>49679627
Well yeah, not being trapped with the night well and all that. They mention being allies before Elisandre or whatever went all Legion

>>49679644

Go kiss a tauren!

itt weird things that nobody remembers from Warcraft 3, but they happened.
> Satyrs were called dark elves, and they used sentient trees just like night elves did.
> Goblin mercenaries with their zeppelins helped Arthas destroy Silvermoon. He didn't betray his mercenaries this time, at least not on screen.
> Ancient elven vault where they've kept Illidan imprisoned also had many other inmates, some of them human mages. How the fuck did they end up there?
> Sylvanas had a troll army and a bandit army willingly serving her. Wonder what happened to those guys.

>>49679449
>>49679456
I participated in a HFC mog run the other day

Archi ports us to the Nether and we kill him there, pretty sure he's dead for good.

>>49679684
>> Sylvanas had a troll army and a bandit army willingly serving her. Wonder what happened to those guys.

They most likely ended up being "recruited" into Forsaken.

>>49679684
>> Sylvanas had a troll army and a bandit army willingly serving her. Wonder what happened to those guys.

They still serve. Just like everyone will in the end.

>>49679693

That's on Mythic. And the ending cinematic has him dying in HFC so nobody knows which is canon.

>>49679684
>willingly
>having their leaders MCd is willing

Where were Satyrs called Dark Elves? I don't remember such a thing.

>>49679526

>>49679541

Laura Bailey is as celebrity as it gets for a VA.

They literally didn't pay enough for Justin Gross' ticket to the recording studio.

>>49679684
Daelin Proudmoore was absolutely correct about the orcs.

>>49679731
Their leaders were mind controlled, but the rest were not. So yes, willingly.
>>49679731
There's a mission where Tyrande finds a satyr base and destroys it. Their faction is called "dark elves", and I think she name drops it once in a cinematic.

>>49679684
>> Satyrs were called dark elves, and they used sentient trees just like night elves did.
Satyrs were called satyrs, and they used corrupted ancients. They still use them as of legion.
Sylvanas had an Ogre army led by mug'thol, who wandered over to arathi for some reason.

>>49679738
Replaying Rexxar campaign after all those zany plot developments is a completely bizarre experience.

>>49679738
No, he was, at the time, in and out of universe, wrong about the orcs

Then shitty writing retroactively made him right about them

>>49679781
Have you ever noticed that Daelin not only has a model and animations of Arthas, he also has his face as well?

>>49679787
Yeah, there weren't that many models available in WC3, they used that trick a lot for campaign characters

>>49679764

You recover the Crown of Will from him, dont you?

>>49679684


Sylvanas said that she hated forest trolls as much as demons and ordered them killed in that mission. The bandits and ogres were recruitable by possessing their leader.

>>49679781
Wrong, he was right all along, just as Arthas was right when he wanted to slay them in missions 1 and 2 and just as Jaina was right about them before she stopped from flooding Orgrimmar.

Orcs are a race of brutes interlaced with few rare "saviours" like Hellscream and Thrall, who still manage to be utterly dindu in their behaviour.
Greenskins need to be purged, no one would miss them.

>>49679854
There were also murlocs and gnolls that had their own named leaders, but possessing them did not convert their guys to you. Maybe they decided that having two free armies is enough.
I've still made enough banshees to convert every neutral creep on the map, because I'm that autistic.

>>49679855
> Genocide orcs
> Genocide the Forsaken
> Offer the rest of the Horde races a spot in Alliance as equals
Problem solved.

I didn't play WOD

where the fuck are these grey orcs coming from

>>49679873
shadowmoon clan orcs

>>49679873
They're the new brand of Fel Orcs. Guess big, red and angry got too boring, so they made them big, grey and angry instead.

>>49679855
Blind, undifferentiated g enocide is for barbarians and monsters. The Orcs have the potential to become more than what they are, but they need to be forced to change. Thrall was a chance at self-governed change, but he got fucked in the head by the very traditions that drive the Orcs back into barbarism.
Remove Mag'har
Disband Horde
Destroy the old ways with extreme prejudice

>>49679871
Trolls could also use of little genociding.

>>49679906
If you want to be humane, you can deport them to Outland and shut the way behind - Let Khadgar do his magic but I guess he got cucked too.

>>49679929
Just send to the Alt. Draenor where they can reconnect with their spiritual and peaceful traditions in their native environment.

>>49679944
Stick the goat people there as well, for good measure.

>>49676714
>tfw she doesn't speak Darnassian while doing it, so she comes across as all foreign and exotic

>>49679929
I guess I'd just like to see them become the reformed and noble warriors they could be, instead of the slobbering retards they are regressing to.

>>49679969
The true problem is that they never were, we honestly never saw them in any other state at any point of their history and save for Thrall, orcs have been nothing more than brutes in WC1, WC2, WC3 and majority of WoW - barbarism is their true nature, on top of them being extraplanetary aliens who simply don't fit with the rest of Azeroth.

>>49679911
The issue here is, every race in WoW (from a gameplay perspective), is the majority of said race. There aren't massive rival tribes of Orcs, no hidden Elf city that offers playable characters. The Trolls are the only off-shoot of "hey maybe these guys aren't that bad?", because every other Trolltribe is full of we-wuz-kings has-beens.

>>49679906
Issue with that is, you remove everything that differentiates an Orc from anything else. You may as well just flood Orgrimmar, I wouldn't miss it. Let Tauren, Darkspear and the Sin'Dorei gallivant about, flood the Undercity with something that kills the Undead and maybe you have a halfway unique and understandable faction dynamic/relationship.

>>49679950
But the Draenei have made positive contributions to Azeroth. The other invaders haven't in the slightest, they've just sort of kinda maybe put bandages over the wounds they've made.

>>49680003
And this, I wish Blizzard could just get their heads around this. Even in WoD we had a chance to see the Orcs be peaceful and noble and proud. But it's just NPCs saying "Hey remember when they were noble, proud and peaceful?"

>>49680021
>The other invaders haven't in the slightest, they've just sort of kinda maybe put bandages over the wounds they've made.
Titanforged out. Azeroth is for the trolls

>>49680030
Well, I was referring to the Orcs there. I think enough time has passed for the Titanforged to be counted as Natives of Azeroth. I can't imagine a single troll is still alive from the time before the Titans came and saved the world from the Old Gods and the Elements.

>>49680021

It's warcraft, not peacefulcraft.

Looking at the background stories of WoD, everyone was constantly fighting on Draenor before Gul'dan and Garrosh founded the Horde. The only difference is that Draenei weren't specifically targeted.

>>49680059
>not peacefulcraft
The way I see it is that Alliance leadership has been completely de-fanged. All leaders who either had experience, power or vision were killed off/driven off/flash-frozen and we are left with a doe-eyed boy king, while people like Garrosh were consistently given a free pass.

I'm not going to be surprised when a proper Fourth War is going to happen after Legion and Alliance gets decimated yet again.

>>49680110
>I'm not going to be surprised when a proper Fourth War is going to happen after Legion and Alliance gets decimated yet again.
Yes, but hey, at least they'll have moral superiority.
t. Blizzard

>>49680120
but they actually won't.
See MoP.

>>49680110
> Garrosh
> Free pass

>>49680136
muh white pawn

>>49680156
Anduin needed to be bitchslapped and dragged to his father.

>>49680120
Maybe Jaina could take over as the leader of Alliance? They could bring back Kul Tiras and have her as leader of that and be in charge of Alliance while Anduin is busy being useless.

>>49680215
It's far more likely that she will become the latest loot pinata

>>49680215
But what muh Stormwind? We can't have any other human nation be in the spotlight, can we?

Why are these threads always
>muh EB
>gas the forsaken
>genocide the horde
>Arthas was right
>Garithos a tri hero
>muh waifu
>muh futa goat cock
>illidindu
>all you need is Light
>Warcraft is dead
>etc etc etc

>>49680348
All of that can be summarized in on line of greentext (except the futa draenei)

>Cataclysm ruined everything

>>49680348
>gas the forsaken
>genocide the horde
>Arthas was right
>Garithos a tri hero
Why does it attract so much /pol/-tier stuff?

>>49680392
>muh /pol/ boogeyman

>>49680110
>alliance decimated
>bolvar raises them


Free zombies

>>49680392
Because the writers fucked up so badly, so unbelievably badly, that it actually made that stuff right in-universe.

Which sucks, for both fans of warcraft, and the setting itself

>>49680348
>>muh EB
literally the heroes the universe deserves

>>49680415
Except it didn't, tho. Garithos was still an incompetent bigot, Arthas still culled Stratholme and killed his father, most of the Horde is still ok, and the Forsaken is no more or less evil than they've always been (they're just stronger now.)

>>49680415
>writing so bad it justified in-universe genocide
It ain't my fault that orcs and undead get humanized and humans get more and more cartoonish stereotypes. Purging is the only solution.

>>49680422
T. Thassarian

Go back to cuddling Koltira

>>49680439
>Arthas still culled Stratholme

Arthas made the right choice there.

>>49680461
Kel'thuzad, don't you have to go be unimportant somewhere?

>>49680461
Cause it worked out SO well for him after that.

Guys, I have a question. Among all the druids that have gone bad or crazy or CORRUPTED.com, why are all of them Alliance? Most of the ones that the players fight are NEs or that one worgen dude in Blasted Lands. Why don't we see more troll or tauren druids go bad?

PS. The ones in Zul'Gurub don't count, they were our enemies from the start.

>>49680439
The forsaken went from "Leave us alone and we'll ignore you" to "MURDER EVERYTHING"

I'd say that's a pretty big leap in terms of overall evil

Also raising the unwilling dead, that's something they explicitly did not do up until Cata

>>49680542
Horde dindu nuffin

>>49680542
Because Horde is too pure to be corrupted.

>>49680542
because tauren are too based to be evil and the only lore troll druid is Zen'kiki, who's canonically too stupid to be corrupted

>>49680542
Because the only well known Horde druid is that one tauren guy

>>49680542
Because the druids that went bad went bad over centuries (for night elves) or decades (the worgen) before actually acting on it

The trolls and tauren haven't been druids long enough for them to go bad.

>>49680559
What about Zen'Tabra?

You know, the first troll druid?

>>49680542
For awhile Nelves were the only druids on the Broken Isles. Horde druids have avoided the spotlight for years ever since their one major character, Hamuul, became a well done steak for awhile.

There wasn't anything else to corrupt in Val'sharah.

>>49680545
Someone didn't do a lot of vanilla questing. The Forsaken have always been morally dubious at best, if not outright experimenting on people. You're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

>>49680545
>hyperbole.jpg

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>>49673676
>most civilized
>drakkari
>giant temple city with aqueducts
>zandalari
>massive complex of worlds largest ziggurats
>most civilized
The word you're looking for is "most docile".

>>49680617
Morally dubious yes, but not omnicidal.

The problem is less about the forsaken as a whole, but rather the total lack of any forsaken that aren't monsters. The only remotely likeable forsaken left are in the Ghostlands, solely becuase they're unchanged from BC, or are Leonid Bartholomew, who isn't part of the Horde anymore

>>49680453
oh please. Illidari a shit.
Also KoTEB have the samson option of drowning azeroth in scourge.
>>49680482
>>49680493
>lets give the scourge another army to wreak havoc instead while
Everything arthas did in stratholme saved lordaeron from being destroyed by mal'ganis.

>>49680659
>not omnicidal
They're still not omnicidal.
You're thinking of the Legion .

>>49680668
>Everything arthas did in stratholme saved lordaeron from being destroyed by mal'ganis
Only for Arthas to come back and destroy it later

>>49680675
They're pretty fucking omnicidal

>>49679684
Here's a good one:
There's a massive dungeon complex under Stonetalon run by the ghost of a pre-WotA night elf princess with a bunch of hostile dragons, undead and elementals locked up there and Medivh just kinda crashes on her couch until Thrall and Jaina show up. And nobody ever mentions the place again.

>>49680690
which has nothing to do with stratholme.

>>49679463
>That is why for example the Lawful Good faction members can still wield the light
ok

>>49680008
>>49680003

I know that the Orcs were always shitheads and somewhere between Full Rapegenocide and Retard Warmongers on the shitheadscale, I just liked the potential in their development. Thrall shows that they CAN be more. If you civilize them and teach them proper morals, you'd get big-ass, bad-ass honorable warriors with a fucked up past to make up for. Spiritvand Ancestor Worship hopped up on Light also sounds interesting.

>>49680668
Mal'Ganis wasn't trying to destroy Lordaeron, he was trying to make Arthas jump over one moral threshold after another for the sole purpose of conditioning him to surrender his soul to Frostmourne. And he completely succeeded.

>>49680733
Except it is clearly the turning point that led him to becoming LICHED.com

>>49680705
Oh, totally. That explains why they've been relentlessly butchering Horde, Alliance, and neutral factions alike.

Oh...wait. no they haven't. They've just been attacking Alliance. Huh. Looks like your argument is invalid.

>>49680736
>Scarlet Crusade
>Lawful Good

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>>49679684
>>49679758
> Satyrs were called dark elves
>Their faction is called "dark elves", and I think she name drops it once in a cinematic.
Nope

>>49680740
You know, all Uther had to do is knock the snot out of Arthas and physically stand in front of the city gate to stop the purge. I think the lives of people (not everyone could've eaten the grain) are higher priority to a paladin than an insult to a royal.
In retrospective, the city would've been a tough fight, but if the three of them were there instead of Arthas just culling everyone by himself, the war would've been very different and it would not need be a disaster.

Seriously, Stratholme and Uther's idiot ball moment were the weakest parts of the story in WC3.

>>49680835
If he did that he would be instantly attacked by every other knight there. What he did do was try to pull as much wind out of Arthas by taking a good portion of the knights with him on the way out. Unfortunately some other 'reinforcements' show up and give Arthas all the support he needs after Uther leaves.

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>>49679684
>> Ancient elven vault where they've kept Illidan imprisoned also had many other inmates, some of them human mages. How the fuck did they end up there?

You mean the mystics who are in the library part of that prison?
I don't think they're meant to be humans considering their colouring and size different.

Mystic to the right, Emissary that the unit is based on to the left.

>>49673557
Or just find Lothars long lost child.
Not sure many people left would openly dispute you if you said you had.

>>49679410
And what about the orc's pact with Mannoroth? If Mannoroth is still alive, did Grom's sacrifice really freed them?

>>49680907
>Unfortunately some other 'reinforcements' show up and give Arthas all the support he needs after Uther leaves.
>Unfortunately

>>49680927
Kiling him destroyed that body severing the link

>>49680835
WC3 has all kinds of wonky shit.
>it takes more time for thrall riding zeppelin to reach stonetalon than it takes for grom to reach ashenvale on foot, hack down half of it, piss off locals and start doing demonic steroids

>>49680938
You know, I'd rather sacrifice the city and have Arthas live with guilt than having him turn.

>>49680927
Yeah grom died for nothing.
Blizzard ran out of raidbosses so it had to be done.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luuUE0x7-TY
This means nothing now.

>>49680910
they are clearly elves

>>49680946
that clearly happens in parallel.

>>49680950
>I'd rather sacrifice the city
You'd sacrifice a lot more than the city by having it turn.

And stopping the cull is not a guarantee for stopping Arthas to turn.

>>49679410
>This is canon and quoted by Blizz
nice try Afrasiabi

>>49679684
> Satyrs were called dark elves, and they used sentient trees just like night elves did.

they have corrupted treants in WoW, like in botanica

> Goblin mercenaries with their zeppelins helped Arthas destroy Silvermoon. He didn't betray his mercenaries this time, at least not on screen.

Gameplay limitation, not canon

> Ancient elven vault where they've kept Illidan imprisoned also had many other inmates, some of them human mages. How the fuck did they end up there?

Same, Blizzard to lazy to create new models specially for this occasion

> Sylvanas had a troll army and a bandit army willingly serving her. Wonder what happened to those guys.

Bandits may have been killed/escaped to form Syndicate. She also had ogres, but Mug'thol freed himself from her control after putting on magic helmet.

>>49680991
they intended for it to happen, when people asked where AU archimonde was and if he was not corrupted.

>inb4 the tweet by kosak was deleted
he clearly meant it, and blizzard used those ideas in legion.

Yes, the night elves sacrificed their immortality for nothing.

>>49680967
Nope, the Emissary model specifically is a human version of the Priest model. And those Mystics are just big, tinted Emissaries.

>>49681003
>Gameplay limitation, not canon
you know, it would have been cooler if you would have an optional quest that would have these ruined goblin labs from the second war that your acolytes blighted, and became recruiting points for the scourge sky barges that you see in TFT.
A nice lore accurate way of giving arthas transportation.
>>49681026
the emissary model is also used for a captive high elf during the quel'thalas campaign.

>>49680950
Stratholme was Lordaerons second biggest city. That would have been one ginormous army.

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>>49681026
Probably used Emissaries instead of priests to get away from the blonde hair.

Hair colour would draw the eyes more than the ears.

>>49680030
And trolls, like any Azerothian lifeform except native elementals and Old Gods' faceless and qiraji, are "titanforged" too. Not directly, but all organic life on Azeroth does have its origin in titan-made Emerald Dream

Azeroth belongs to the elementals, if anything.

>>49681076
>Azeroth belongs to the elementals, if anything.
Most worlds should be like that.

I was reading on the titan process and the first step was to pacify the native elemental population.
Azeroths elementals were especially hostile due to the abnormally strong world soul consuming the spirit element, but even if that wasn't the case the standard move was the pacify the elementals.

I wonder if that is enough to suggest that Draenor was also ordered by the titans since it isn't dominated by elementals.

>>49681076
Nope. The first non-elemental mortal beings on Azeroth were elementals that had been affected by the curse of flesh. Flesh comes from OG.

>>49681044
Palette swapping is hard work m8. Tinting a lab and zeppelin sickly purple takes hundreds of hours of work.

>>49681066
>clearly taller than high elves.
>wearing the same robes
>in an expensive library like wing.

Were they highborne mages?

>>49681114
they had the sky barges in the expansion and it worked pretty well.

>>49680950
Then you'd have Arthas and co trying to hold back the undead from the biggest population center after the capital, failing, dying and then being raised anyway.

Arthas was doomed to fail. Anyway I think it makes for an interesting situation where Uther makes the choice that a paladin should make, while Arthas decides that preserving the kingdom is more important than maintaining his moral superiority.

>>49680910
If they're elves, why are they white?

>>49681160
Again, the city being a catastrophe like that was not given, if Uther, Arthas and Jaina intervened together, maybe some people would be even saved, but it makes more sense for two paladins to try salvage what they can rather than go in and purge without checking who's infected first.

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>>49681120
>Were they highborne mages?
Possibly, or just night elves who studied a bit too much arcane magic in the last 10k years.


Well it's hard to use the in game height difference between units to determine anything I think unless you're specifically looking at a change in scale of the same model like the emissaries change to mystic in that one mission.

>>49681133
Yeah in a second release.
Then they had enough time and resources to work on that.

>>49681194
a lot of them are in different stances.
but generally, even in wc3, Night elves were noticeably taller than the high/blood elves. both in lore and in game.

>>49681191
>if Uther, Arthas and Jaina intervened together
If they had gone in and purged together than that would've been great.

>maybe some people would be even saved
No none, they were all plague victims.

>>49681208
Shame there was no retrofit campaign for warcraft 3.

>>49681236
>No none, they were all plague victims.
Only those who ate the grain.

>>49681228
Yeah.
Archers crouch a lot, sorc is floating.

>both in lore and in game
At least in lore.
Even in wc3 grom makes a mention that they look like elves, but they're "far too tall, and far too savage"


Heroes are larger in wc3 for gameplaying purposes, but I imagine that the general elf heighs falls somewhere between the high elf priest and the high elf female villager.

With spellbreakers taken from especially physically impressive elven stock who might match night elven sizes.

>>49679644
Do you even liftbrul?

>>49681255
Let them have cake

>>49681236
Now that I think about it, plaguing victims by using their food supplies would be far less devastating than poisoning their water or releasing the plague via disease.
Foodgrain is easy to isolate and destroy. Water is far less easy to stop distribution of, and disease is the hardest to stop without punitive and harsh measures in real life.
Now in WC3, the universe hadn't gone off the rails quite that much. I would be interested in seeing how Lordaeron would react to a water borne or rodent borne plague of undeath.

>>49681238
Giving the old hordes forest trolls instead of jungle trolls would be nice.
That bothered me more.

>>49680718
would like to know more about this

is it related to the night elf barrow on stonetalon peak?

>>49681285
>t. Prince Arthas Menethil

>>49681293
oh yeah.
really bugged me that they were using spearchuckers instead of axechuckers.

>>49681194
Oh my god, the face of the BE engineer looks like one of those WoW halloween masks.

Camera angle sure works wonders, considering they look good in their portrait.

>>49681285
You. You and I should hang out.

>>49681194
The non hero warden looks like a smug slut.
I bet she likes it up the pooper.

>>49681294
No idea, that complex was never mentioned again. It didn't really contain anything to suggest it was a druidic barrow den.

>>49681287
I think it would be harder to spread.

The undead plague wasn't contagious, you didn't catch it by being near other undead.

Grain was transported, but I don't see why you'd need to transport water around the same way. Water would be easier to get locally.

You would have to have a lot more starting points for the plague if you used water instead of grain.

>the nightborne kids
Adorable desu.
I want a qt loli nightborne companion to travel with my DK character, brightening his day with all kinds of silly questions in that adorable voice.

>13 years since WC3
>people still argue about Stratholme

>>49681311
>Camera angle sure works wonders, considering they look good in their portrait.
Actually the portrait is taken from a different model specifically used for portraits.

So if you download a custom model it usually has two .mdx files, ModelName.mdx and ModelNamePortrait.mdx

>>49681191
Part of it is that's the way the script went. So to an extent arguing over it is pointless, but my autism demands I do so.

At the time, they had no cure for the plague. We have no idea what the travel time was in terms of getting from Anderhal to Strathome, depending on how things go it could have been anywhere from 1 to 4 days i guess. Plenty of time for the vast majority of the city to eat the grain, something the mission hints at considering every citizen in the mission turns.

The other thing to consider is what Baron Rivendare would have done considering that alongside Kel'Thurzard he was the main backer of the cult, i'm sure if it came down to it he would have been willing to help Mal'Gannis if told to.

Also if I was Mal'Gannis and I had Uther stuck in my zombie filled city I'd be radioing in my brothers to come and fuck his shit up. SO had they all gone in, there is nothing to say they wouldn't have found themselves up to their ears in Dreadlords planning on eliminating the main military leadership of Lordaeron.

>>49681357
And warming his nights by squealing in delight as his sword enters her?

>>49681337
Magic-borne plague seems to be more akin to poison than an actual plague, dissolving it in water would reduce the potency and the amount needed for delivery, on top of it being highly imprecise method of delivery. Grain was the best vector.

>>49681337
the disease is contagious because the primary victims would kill off the others and they could be raised later, like ghouls. Zombies also infect others via their bites.

If you were to use water, it would be pretty much unstoppable. You would have to infect lake lordamere and darrowmere, but it would be pretty much unstoppable.

The cult of the damned failed in their original mission and was nearly wiped out post stratholme. Now imagine the plague breaking out in Capital city, Stratholme, hearthglen, tyr's hand and assorted villages at the same time.

>>49681392
no. Nightborne kids are pure.
which is why they turn slutty later on.

Korine pet when?

>>49681396
But the grain vector nearly failed. The disease was stopped at stratholme and the scourge was pretty much dead. If arthas didn't banzai charge into northrend, the legion invasion would have failed before it started.

As far as diseases go, food borne ones are pretty much bottom of the totem pole. Waterborne diseases kill more people far more quickly because they infect a lot of people.

Also the plague was a classic disease which turned them into zambies.

>>49679787
>Yfw Jaina wanted Arthas' D because he looked like her dad

>>49681486
>clean shaven
>blond haired
>looked like her dad.

>>49681502
>looked like her dad but younger and hotter*

>>49681533
>look nothing like her dad except sharing some animations
>people will try and psychoanalyze that.

>>49681402
>Now imagine the plague breaking out in Capital city, Stratholme, hearthglen, tyr's hand and assorted villages at the same time.

And you'd do that how with water?
No you can't infect large lakes like Lordamere and Darrowmere. That is just silly. Then you might as well say "We infected the air supply with the plague, now the winds will carry it all over the eastern kingdoms."

Water isn't brought from Andorhal to Stratholme.
Grain is.
Infecting the water in Andorhal does nothing to stratholme, infecting the grain does.

For water to work you'd have to make the plague more ptoent and you'd have a lot more starting points of the grain, probably every well in the kingdom.
I'm not sure how exactly it was created, but I imagine it's a little harder then pouring a potion into the well.
Maybe you need your cult of the damned acolytes to stand around and chant around the well for a while to create the plague and that is for sure bound to draw some attention.

>>49679871
>Offer spot in the Alliance to be equals
>Non humans are never equal to mary sue humans in the Alliance

Only if humans either die off or at least become second class citizen

>>49679911
>Tfw humans would still be non magical brutes if it werent for the fucking trolls

This guy gets it

>>49673232

>amazing character

>disobeys Anduin's orders to launch an unprovoked attack on the horde
>Loses the alliances flagship in the process
>thinks an appropriate response to losing ones son is to permanently stop an entire race of people reproducing

Remove furries from the game

>>49681567
>andorhal
they targeted andorhal because it was the breadbasket of lordaeron and an important shipping center for grain, not farmland itself. They infested the granaries.

You can absolutely infect water supplies in a number of cities via members of the cult of the damned.. Relatively large bodies of water can be easily infected or even better, infecting wells and small waterways that are downstream. You can stop a shipment of plagued grain and buy food to feed your nation

You cannot do the same with water which is far more necessary for daily survival and is far more difficult to be transported.

>it will draw attention.
About as much as the central town in lordaeron being overrun by the undead and the cult of the damned during harvest season and no one giving a fuck.

The grain was infected when it was moved into storage, which requires a lot of cultists actively poisoning the grain. It also was powerful enough to actively blight the ground where it was stored. It is pretty fucking powerful.

>>49681357
h...hello?

>>49681631
it was more like the spiritual capitol of the druids, not the administrative one.
>>49681601
>foreskins
>having the same rights as real living creatures.
Kek, no.
You have to go back six feet under.

>>49681357
Ring around the city
Hearts are full of pity
Clashing, crashing
Outside lies doom!

>>49681668
but the druids were sleeping

>>49680718
Stonetalon Barrow dens are in the game. Being full of unrelated monsters was a gameplay thing, the mission would be incredibly boring if it was empty, wouldn't it?

>>49681663
>be DK
>life is suffering and pain
>want to kill everything and then myself because I am edgy
>don't do it because daddy mograine wouldn't be happy.
>It hurts just a little less when my companion asks questions about the stars or birds.
>suddenly have a new reason to be edgy
>gotta protect that smile.