Eurofags of /tg/ Is there any interesting post-medieval folklore

>inb4 /pol/

>>49656297
We got some new, fresh kind of invading brown hordes if you like such things. They especially stalk the women at night.

>>49656370
Is /int/ fine?

>>49656534

Sure, why not. I never know what you guys are gonna say. Whereas I can predict what those other guys are gonna say all the time.

>>49656297
Rather than specific pieces of folklore, which is not really useful if you just take it out of context and splice it into something else, I'd suggest you polish your mythbuilding skills in general.

For that, I can't give you better advice than to read Dumezil. The trifunctional hypothesis and much of his other work isn't very current in modern Indo-European scholarship but he was a master at dissecting religions and folklore and framing their function in society. You of course don't have to do any analysis of this sort, but it helps to always keep in mind that myths and old wives' tales weren't something invented to entertain but to explain and justify.

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I should elaborate

I mean any folklore/legends from the fall of Constantinople/Discovery of America to now

All I've got is the witch hunts, vampire panics, marxism, emperor Constantine's promise to return, the Illuminati, gremlins on airplanes, the dancing plague of 1528, a few ghost train stories, and the revival of Hermetic magic

>>49656652
Any recs?

>>49656744
how about I start with Goblins/Kobolds/Boggarts

these appear to be three names for the same creature in french, German, and English respectively. They are a small, shapeshifting, sprite which are often considered to act as tricksters, they have some not-really-defined other magical powers as well. If you capture a Boggart/Goblin/Kobold by recognising an animal which one is disguised as and putting it in a sack you can later release it within your house and it will be bound in your service, and help with the chores.

>>49656297

What are you looking for? Urban legends? They're not particular alien for 'murricans, I think (while for example japanese ones kinda are a little different).

>>49656297
Irish and Scottish folklore are lousy with demons and supernatural entities that specifically became a thing after the rennaisance. Look up the Fearr Dubh and the concept of fairy trees/fairy houses. There are people who swear by those things even today.

To be honest though no matter where you look in Europe you'll find familiar folklore and creatures. After all, most fantasy to fantasy steampunk settings are implicitly based around European Cultures. Modern versions are often more based off the horrors of the Second World War and the Cold War. Modern monsters are more often disfigured demon soldiers or cursed nazis or something like that. This is much more in line with American folklore as a result of a shared experience.

>>49656297

UK :
-Jack the ripper
-Sweeney Todd

France :
-The beast of gevaudan

Germany :
-The lorelei
-the Baron Munchausen

Don't know if that's the stuff you're looking for exactly

>>49656297
You amerifats know shit. I tell ya a little about my town folklore.
I used to live in a town near barcelona, there once a year the is a thing call Correfoc o diables (fireruners or deamons). Old traditions says that it used to represent the fight between good and evil but they slowly removed the good and only the deamons remain, and they walk around the town and do some firebreathing and shit. Pic related.
They used to say that there was a dragon un the woods that used to eat people, but the baron of the town once summoned him to fight the pirates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4h8xy7hQ3E

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>>49657574
There is also a big mansion or ''villa'' in the mountais, far from everyone. It was build by a very exentric man, who when to the americas looking for money so he can marry a noble girl from barcelona. He got rich very quickly and returned to build that mansion, it was supposed to produce wine and other expensive products, people working there lived there, they had to build a road to reach it. Enormous proyect for that time. The girl merry him and all was good, but she got depressed. he build her a enormous garden and a room that was covered with coins. One day a plage destroyed the fields leaving them inherts, she comited suecide and he desapeared. The building changed hands but it was haunted. Now there is a buddhist order there, they got it functioning again as a monastery, very cool.

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>>49657574
Forgot pic.
Do you want me to continue whit more? Whant some more info? I have lore from other countries i visited and lived in.

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>>49657681
Go on...

Spring-Heeled Jack was a classic urban legend.

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>>49657786
There use to be this gypsy lady at barcelona, she got like a night club full of prostitutes, they where sex slaves, there was kids there. She used to make potions out of ''love juice'' and all the nobleman of barcelona where involved in that, one day the police comes in and arrest her. There was a lot of corpses and shit in her house. Really creepy

Some monsters:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_big_cats
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beast_of_Dean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beast_of_Exmoor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canvey_Island_Monster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owlman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shug_Monkey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiskerton_Phantom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elwetritsch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolpertinger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lariosauro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_(lake_monster)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am_Fear_Liath_M%C3%B2r
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morag_(loch_monster)

>>49657970
Wait, is she related to that one Italian or Spanish woman who cooked and ate kids?

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>>49657970
There is also this monastery, is call San Pere de Ribas and is built in the middle of the mountain, it dates back to the X century and it was build over a temple of Hercules. Many relics where hided there, deserting people used to hide there, and there was a fucking stange holy order living there.

>>49658057
They are the same. But she didn't eat htem directly, she made ritual and cult stuff with them.

>>49656297
There are the vrykolax, revenants that are a sickly dark pink color, devour the flesh and blood of the living, slowly bloating the more they eat.

Some of these dead come back out of malice, others out of sorrow. Generaly they come back due to extreme negative emotion. They either roam the world trying to complete some sort of unfinished bussiness so they can embrace death once and for all.

Unkillable unless decapitated.
And very fucking strong and sneaky. Don't go meet one unless you want to offer help or you have a plan on pinning it in place and shortening it a bit.

>>49656297
>Is there any interesting post-medieval folklore or legends on your giant peninsula?
No. Nothing has happened here since 1492.

>>49656297
There hasn't been anything new post-medieval because by that time we had beat the whole continent into submission and exterminated most things that displeased us.

We worshipe wild pigs here and have a cave painted with prehistorical stuff. We have virgin marry and the city was buildt by gypsys that fleed the area.

>>49658545
>Europeans committed complete and utter genocide against the supernaturals for messing with them just like the wolves and bears

There's the myth of modern Russia taking no history military action in its border countries or not unprovokedly invading the Ukraine while the rest of the world turns a blind eye or accepts propoganda at face value as a sickening form of 21st century appeasement.

>>49658600
Also help that we have been deforesting massively between ... well since we got there and the mid nineteenth.

>>49656370
>>49656397
One minute and fifty seven seconds. Good job.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Stumpp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Monster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring-heeled_Jack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_mania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_B%C3%A1thory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper

As a sidenote, I can tell a story that I've had recounted from my grandmother, who grew up in a very rural farming community in Norway.

So, a big staple of Norwegian folklore is the belief in the "underground peoples". Now, these take many forms (hulder, nisser, tusser, vetter), and it's a very old belief. You'll find it in Norse myth. However, most fairytales and folklore was collected in the 1800s, and after the introduction of Christianity, the view of these spirits changed. Originally, many were considered helpful or benign, but after Christianity they were mostly considered evil, or at best troublesome. They'd be represented as invisible creatures, malicious elves or poltergeist, and they would kidnap people or create issues. You get the idea.

Sometime in the early 1950s, when my grandmother was a child, they had a family barging on their door on Christmas Eve. This family lived even more remotely, and had fled for hours through the snow. The reason?
They were under siege by the "underground people", they claimed, and they seemed legitimately terrified. They had experienced knocking on doors and windows, things going missing or moving, strange sounds, and the children were acting strange.

>>49656744

Some fun American stuff:

UFO's and Area 51

Mothman

Clown panics

The Legend of Sleepy Hollow

general ghost hitchhiker stories

real snuff in exploitation films

will o' the wisps

New Orleans voodoo

Char Man

Hookman

The Weeds, Queens, NY

>>49658674
I read that Norwegians were making offerings to Njord and Freyja well into the 18th century

And that trolls are just christianized jotunn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vard%C3%B8ger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunning_folk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprianus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mare_(folklore)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draugr
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myling

>>49658926
I've never heard about that, but I wouldn't dismiss it entirely.

That said, I am sceptical, because the general trend with Norwegian myth and folklore is that after Christianity came here, overt worship of non-christian deities largely went extinct, aside from stuff like saints. Worshipping "old gods" by name doesn't really fit with that trend.

Really, you could say Christianity made the world more sinister. In Norse faith, spirits weren't necessarily evil, but post-christian myth has most of the good sides of the spirits removed. A common local myth to explain the existence of huge boulders seemingly misplaced will for example be that when the village church was first built, and became enraged by the bells, and threw the rock after the bells, luckily missing. It's very much a "Church vs. Nature Spirits"-narrative.
There's even a fun rhyming invocation you can use if the Mare is riding you, which basically boils down to saying that you have iron, and that if she doesn't get out then Saint Olaf will come and fuck her up.

But who knows, rural villagers could cling on to some beliefs that are absolutely ancient. It would probably depend on form and context of offerings.
The nisse/tomte tradition involves offerings.

>>49659060
Halldar O. Opedal collected the following

"The old folk were always rather lucky when they went fishing. One night old Gunnhild Reinsnos (born in 1746) and Johannes Reinsnos were fishing in the Sjosavatn. They had taken a torch and were fishing with live bait. The fish bit well, and it wasn't long before Gunnhild had a week's supply of fish for her pot. So she wound her line around her rod with the words: "Thanks be to him, to Njor, for this time"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%BDla
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule_Lads
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryttie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_(lake_monster)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storsj%C3%B6odjuret
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_horse#Sightings
http://leirubakki.is/www.leirubakki.is/Defaulta996.html?Page=378

>>49659178
Huh, I had no idea. That's very cool.

>>49657816

>implying he wasn't real

Next you'll tell me the hairy ape killing people on the streets at night was just an urban legend, too.

France :
The Tarasque from Tarascon
Gévaudan beast
All the Dracs you can find
The Vouivre
The Meneurs de Loups (wolf leader)
The Tac

And lots of classic things but with french stories like werewolves (lycanthropes/loups-garous) fairies and all that stuff

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>>49661202
And if you wnat real stories you have the lifes of Gilles de Rais, François Bertrand, Nicolas Flamel, the immortal count of Saint-Germain, Gayant de Douai

You also have the castel of Plessis-Bourré, Mathilde l'Emperesse at the abbaye of Mortemer, the black dog of Pontgibaud


You can also read the Golden Legend, there's some good stories in

>>49658881
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Devil

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>>49656297
>Is there any interesting post-medieval folklore or legends on your giant peninsula?
Actually, most of what we know as European folklore is post-medieval. Take slavic scandinavian folklore creatures:
Vodnik, Rusalka, Polednice, Jezinka, (Noonwright), all kinds of woodland fairies, baba Yaga, Selkies, Aos-Si, Trolls... most that shit has been actually really popularized based on folklorist research done in 18th/19th century, and can be pretty easily transposed to modern settings.
NoonWrights, for an example, were not really undead spirits (as The Witcher games suggest), but rather physical manifestations of heat-stroke, and their common MO was to stop farmers going home at high noon to quiz them on farming-related trivia: they have been largely invented (or at least adopted from older myths) by teachers and preachers working for the enligtenist 18th century rules to "scare" common folk into educating themselves and enforcing new agrarian technologies and general push for common-folk education.

Really, most of the folklore and books of fairytales, or even fairytale movies you'll pick up in central europe are going to come from 18-19th century (both originating from, and set in 18th-century-ish settings).
I also remember a book of particularly amusing gypsy fairytales, including one about Werewolf princess and one about an Immortal Gypsy, the later one included repeated descriptions of how a king, offended by the Immortal Gypsy's brazen courage, has him shot with increasingly larger guns (first he simply has him short by a rifle, then cannons of increasing caliber.

>>49663456
This

There's even spellbooks from the era which contain spells for never missing a shot with a gun, and turning bulletproof

>>49656297
>Is there any interesting post-medieval folklore or legends on your giant peninsula?

...all of them? They all were recorded during the early modern period and forgotten, only to be replaced with stuff we invented during the 18th/19th century when everybody was busily racing to become a nation inhabited by a single ethnic. Actual medieval folklore is something only ivory tower experts care about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiisi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surma_(Finnish_mythology)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajatar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%A4kki

I actually think these could be really interesting when modernized.
Surma might be this old, tired thing that lurks on dead end streets. Ajatar could've moved out of the forest and into the concrete jungle, spreading disease and chasing people through the city until they're lost and dazed.
Näkki? Same old child-snatcher, except he goes clubbing each Midsummer's night.

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>>49656297
Tons. Depends on where you want to go, the kind of feels you're looking for.
An easy way to get idea would be to look at fantastique and pulp novels. There are some nice urban fantasy eurocomics, too

>>49665735
>some
Honhonhon.

>>49656744
Ayy wait till my classes finish and I can serve you with some fun shit.

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>>49665804
Well, I had to stretch the definition a bit to make those fit in. It's not the most produced genre amongst the franco-belgian production.

>>49658926
That's likely a half-truth. In remote locations people probably kept to their old beliefs for a rather long time even if in secret, but more common was probably the old customs and traditions being passed down without the new generations really understanding what they were.

For example, we know that English monks wore symbols of Heimdal well into the 14th century, and that runes were used to write in some locations of Sweden as late as in the 19th century, and that people in the Anglo-Scandinavian word still to this day do many things that have their roots in pagan beliefs. For example, the practice of lifting one's hand when swearing an oath, which is meant to represent Tyr offering his hand to Fenrir.

>>49656370
Reporting in, waddya want flamalam?

>>49656744
Doesn't change much, rural stuff stayed the mostly same.

>>49666968
politically incorrect supernatural conspiracies and myths would be nice. As long as it's a bit more evolved than simply jewish vampires or SJW parasites.

>>49667158

Conspiracies are an industrial thing. And becuase of that, it's mostly the same shit all over, really there isn't much difference in what tinfoil-wearing people believe on both sides of the Atlantic.
Here in Italy we have many, MANY "popular versions" of who did what during the worst of the terrorism years but it's nothing supernatural.

... actually, considering how much we say that the freemasonry did it, maybe OP could be interested, though...

>>49666895

That's bullshit though. We in the med did the same thing. Actually, we do now!
And while there are some parallels in "generic" indoeuropean myths (Tyr/Gaius Mucius Scevola) we certainly didn't because of Tyr, obviously.

>>49658926
Not is really that hard to believe, for example there were still sacred groves left in Ingria when the Soviets came to power.

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>>49666348
>No Broussaille anywhere on that list.

Though Broussaille is more kinda like some "Magic Realism"-type of story than "fable creatures IRL!".

>>49656297
Most of European folklore IS post-medieval, mate. In fact, pretty much all of what survived till today is either something that emerged around mid-17th century or later or was heavily reimagined during Romantism (from where most of "classic" fables come from)
So if anything, medieval bits of folklore are suprisingly rare

>>49656297
Unless you go into a special area, the list is endless.
Every village in Europe has it's myths. One of the upsides when most areas are settled for millenia already and religions get switched out every couple of hundred years.

>>49668411
There's the tinfoul conspiracies and the sort of conspiracies that turn out to be true a couple of years later.
The word alone means jackshit, just like "terrorist".

>>49669620
>Every village in Europe has it's myths.
Pretty much all of those date to the 19th century.

>>49668974
>stay still, his vision is based on movement.

Broussaille is great. I'm surprised to find someone that has read it on /co/, though.

>>49669711
>Pretty much all of those date to the 19th century.
Which is what this thread is for.

>>49669711
Do you really wanna hear more modern myths? For example about couple kms from where I live there is a turn that is rumored to be haunted by Russian PoWs that were taken to the nearby tar kiln and shot.

>>49669620

>conspiracies

>real

Go home /x/

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>>49669719
There are Eurofags here, yanno. I originally wanted to scanlate Un Faune sur l'epaule, but found that typesetting that one would've been too much of a damn pain I translated Les baleines publiques and made some terrible scanlations for Under two Suns years ago though.

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>>49669770
Within an easy American drive from me, the locals still pray to the fake remains of a fake jewish ritual murder.

>>49656297
Croatian myths here:

The Moor...
Basically undead werewolf living in swamps.

The hellhound - vaugley based around Croatian shepherd dogs (who look like they will eat your soul).
If you see it then the devil is about and you should go home and lock your does quickly.

...

There isn't much else unique otherwise as most of our folktales are the same old slavshit stories I.e. Baba Jaga, Svarog, We wuz giants and sheet, Werevolves/magic warriors, Fey , Vodenjak (mermaids/men who are actually swamp mummies who drag you into the water to your death) and Satan(his lore replaced dragons after Christianity arrived replacing them as a trial master of sorts. He puts you onto a trial to see if you have a pure heart. If you fail he eats your heart but if you pass he grants you a wish.)...

>>49669883
Good goy...

>>49669981
The Church of Rome agrees. They told them to quit already, but the locals don't give a fuck.

>>49669858
True, but I never felt like Broussaille was a big hit even in France. It's abit too contemplative for most audiences, I think, much like Cosey's works.