https://www.dawnofwar.com/article/m odernizing-macha you gu

>>49654607

I'm fine with it if and only if one of her quotes suggests she's a frustrated virgin.

>>49654607
Yeah, i remember seeing a thread about it when it was announced.

>the design is the old channer canon
>90% of that is pr0n
Sega has a lot to answer for

>our character modeller Lee Salo was so pumped about Macha that he started sculpting her face in his free time before we had fully settled on a direction.

Based Lee Salo

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Cool, we could have gotten something better than generic space elfu #323. Can't wait for more DoW-kiddies storming this board and telling me than Eldar look like normal humans + pointy ears.

>>49654896

Oh my god who cares whether or not the Eldar are portrayed as sexy people with pointy ears.

People like the sexy, deal with it.

>>49654896
HALF ELDAR SPACE MARINES

>>49654984
People that actually like the Eldar. I know that how they exactly look like is up to debate, but at least they should like aliens. But they are catering to the most common denominator instead, dumb kids.

>>49655019
Outdated.

>>49654896
>>49655057
>not muh eldar

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>>49655057
>I'm upset that the way Eldar look has changed from elves with thin faces and silly eyes to being elves with silly eyes.

Be happy that 90% of the other units probably have helmets. Goodness knows we can't have decent looking elven faces in games

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>>49655420
Apart from the Elder Scrolls games I can't think of some alien looking elf faces in video games. Well, there is that thing from DAIII, but I believe she's a goblin.

>>49655480
I think the problem is that actual Eldar features as they're described (freakishly beautiful) would be hard to pull off without people either deriding it as fugly (exaggerated facial features) or undetailed (untextured skin because Eldar pores are so perfect)

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>>49654896
Does pic related also bother you?
Because guess what, it's litteraly taken from codex: CWE. Despite your misconceptions, eldar are quite similar to humans. Page four of the codex out right says "In appearance the Eldar are much like humans, albeit taller and more graceful."
Moreover, you really need to learn human face proportions if you think macha just looks like a human with pointy ears. Hell, her brow to hair line is about half her face, in opposition to humans where it's about 1/3 of it.

was macha having the three cheek lines something that was canon before the /tg/ art of her came out?
otherwise we can only assume relic browse 4chan

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>>49655480
The thing in DAI was an aberration made for pandering. Most elves tend either for being visually perfect (Warcraft Blood Elves) or aberrations like her.

It's rare for elves to just look 'normal', and the fact that not-elves in 40k are one of the biggest examples of 'normal' looking elves just shows how bad things can get.

The new Macha is actually a decent example. Too pretty to be human, to harsh to be a doll. Creative design is a bitch.

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>>49654896
>Can't wait for more DoW-kiddies storming this board and telling me than Eldar look like how they've always looked

>>49655568
Pretty sure the midget Goto invented it. One of the few, maybe only, good things he did.

>>49654607

What's with the goat ears?

>>49655525
Yeah, I can understand going a safer route, especially since they probably want to draw in a lot of people that know the bare minimum of 40k lore.

>>49655564
I think he's fine, but his face is also much more obscured by those things around his face.

>>49655571
That Macha has a bit more androgynous features, which helps a bit to convey the alien nature.

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>>49655620
>>49655582
>>49654896
Oh good.
It's this thread again

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>>49655564
>In appearance the Eldar are much like humans
"Appearance" is such a broad term, it could mean anything. But we could start with how fucking normal her eyes look.

>>49655568

Did you not play DoW2:Retribution?

Did you miss the part where the Ork Mek called the Blood Ravens "Thieving Magpies"? Or the Commissar proclaiming "DRIVE ME CLOSER! I WANT TO HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD!" sometimes when he was mounted in a Chimera?

Relic's been going to 4chan for YEARS.

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>>49654896

it's worse than you think! Those DoW fanboys have somehow went back in time and imprented their sick fetish on Rogue Trader era figures!

>>49654825
Too bad he didn't do a better job.

>>49655762
You mean those times in which Space Marines were just normal dudes in power armor?

>>49655664
More like Reddit. And it shows; the writing in DoW and its expansions was leagues better than DoWII's memery save for one or two debriefings.

>>49655821
>Soulstorm
>Better than Chaos Rising

I mean I loved General 'Lost 100 Baneblades' Stubbs as much as the next guy, but you can hush now.

>>49655878
I actually keep forgetting Soulstorm even exists. How would you change your reply if I added an addendum excluding it?

>>49655878
>implying the story/dialogue in retribution was any better than soulstorm

>>49655804
Oh they weren't normal dudes. They were bros.

>>49655582
That cat-thing is really creepy

>>49654896
>MUH AYYLMAO THINMEN ELDAR
Get fucking rekt faggot.

>>49656438
>merrick and castor bantz
>not god tier.

>>49656676
It's literally just a normal cat except it's kinda Psychic and I think that one has goat eyes of some reason.

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>>49656781

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>>49655571
>ywn bone Macha

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>>49654825
>>our character modeller Lee Salo was so pumped about Macha that he started fapping to 4chan porn of her in his free time before we had fully settled on a direction.

Based Lee Salo

>>49656953
A real human bean.

>>49654607
That Macha looks like shit.
Also, DoW 3 is going to be crap.
The Eldar have fucking regenerating shields in it, like the Protoss from Starcraft, and they are justifying that crap with battle focus for some insane reason.
Fleet of Foot is also granted by proximity to webway gates for some fucking reason.

>>49657026
The game is screaming "We want the Starcraft audience" for sure

Lucky for me I like starcraft because I'm a pleb who doesn't care what variation of RTS he's playing.

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>>49654896
It is pretty sad when the most fluff accurate depictions of the Eldar come from a fan artist, instead of an official source.

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>>49657138
I know someone would show up to post beckjann. What took you so long?

>>49657138
t. beckjann.

>>49657026
>why isn't gameplay like muh tabletop.

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>>49657184
Just saw this thread senpai.

It would be nice if GW commissioned some pieces from the guy. His Deldar art is pretty dope.

>>49657195
More like "why is DoW 3 making Eldar into Protoss clones?"

>>49657216
>That one year in Commoragh when being ugly as a Haemonculi was in style
>That one crazy dude in the bottom right who not only kept with it but decided to throw some Solitaire in there

The Absolute Mad Eldar

>>49657231
Because Protoss are Eldar Clones? Or originally were in their earliest concept stages at least.

>>49657291
Nice to see that we have come full circle.

>>49654773
inb4 big L is in dow 3

>>49654773
You realize that the "channer canon" design was pulled from the books, right?

>>49657291
Gameplay wise protoss and Eldar are nothing alike, and honestly, the Protoss don't even resemble the Eldar that much, outside of the whole "psionic elder race" cliche, and their fetish for glowing gems.

>>49657231
because gameplay always trumps fluff.
I bet you were buttmad that Devastators in DoW2 had to be deployed.

>>49657515
>protoss gameplay
>a positive

>>49657515
Gameplay should always however, faciliate the lore, and work within the confines of the lore of each race.
DOW 1 and 2 Eldar didn't have shields on every unit, there is no reason for them to have them in DoW 3. Slapping shields on all Eldar units in the guise of "battle focus" (how in the hell the ability to both run and shoot on the same phase in the TT translates into protoss shields in vidya, I don't understand), is just lazy game design.

They could have implemented the battle focus of the Eldar in other, more lore accurate ways, for example by having the Eldar have minimal accuracy loss despite moving around etc.

Also, Heavy bolters are heavy weapons, so it made sense both gameplay and lore wise for them to need to be deployed.

>>49656733
>And Ronahn.
>And Kaptin Bluddflagg.

So uh.
Where do the stripes come from?
I saw them in the fanart, but what is their source?

>>49658154
Some people around are saying it was C.S. Goto's idea. I don't know if someone have the quote to confirm it.

>>49654607
Still upset they went for the nip elf ear look.

DOW 3 is dead to me until Hairgel and Thaddeus come back

>>49657138
This guy's faces always remind me of the faces from those crazy french vampires banished to hell in that equally batshit french comic.

>>49658199
I'd believe it, Goto's books were chock full of ideas you'd later see in fan and official stuff down the line.

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>>49657138
If the majority of drawings like that are coming from fanart... then it by definition is not fluff accurate. I like Beckjann but ultimately Eldar are spess elves and run the gamut of looking like ayy lmaos and ravishing space elf babes and everything in between, primarily because 40K is a setting that fluctuates wildly in tone and interpretation. All variants are legit.

No matter how much you want >>49657184
to be canon, the actual art of Lelith looks like pic related. Deal with it.

>>49659503

My god I just want to touch her feet

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>>49659516
DIE.

>>49659838
After you.

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>>49659503
>You will never be Lelith's foot massage slave
>You will never constantly hear her vent about how idiotic the rest of the universe is
>You will never be rewarded with a pat on the head before you shuffle back to your box

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>>49660995
bruh

>>49654607


"modernizing macha" I'm slightly afraid to click that, please let it not be 'modern social issues' bullshit.

>>49654607
I'd still fuck her, and so would 99% of you all

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>>49662000
Nope, they're just talking furthering her as a character- being less naive, updating her gear to make her a distinct unique character. No SJW crap.

>>49659838
Is that 40k bane?

>>49656953
Macha pron is a best.

Feels good knowing the devs are lurking on this board and have seen all the lewds.

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>>49659503
That looks nothing like the concept art of Goodwin.

>>49657291
Fuck off cancerbiscuit, protoss is nothing lile eldar outside of muh magical advanced elder race past its prime. Stop pushing your shitty meme.

>>49663109
>muh crystals
>muh not-wraithknights
>muh ayylmao spaceships that are 100 times better than human ones
>muh world ship.

Protoss are clearly OC donut steel characters.

>>49662947
GW doesn't know what their elves look like.

>>49663193
Eldar have gems, not crystals like the protoss. Also, the protoss have nothing like wraith constructs

>>49663698
They have the reverse, soul constructs.

>reading those unit abilities
>all that intra hero synergy.
Where were you when warcraft 4 was made in SPESS

>>49663698
because dragoons and stalkers are completely different than eldar wraithbone constructs
also protoss crystals look suspiciously like finished gems.

>>49654607
whats with the shreck ears

>>49654607
So, where did those red stripes originate from? Was that a /tg/ creation?

>>49657138

>Ignores everything the fluff states about them passing for human until they move
>MUH SHITTY FANART IS TOTES ACCURATE

>>49657138

>the most fluff accurate depiction of eldar is from fan art
>not the official sources

Did you even read that before posting it?

>>49664236
Depiction most accurate to written fluff.

Being an "official" artist don't mean much if you can't make a written description work on paper and just draw vulcans instead.

>>49664236
Do you even read the official discriptions and compare them to the official pics?

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>>49654607

>Macha throws her Singing Spear to a target position, damaging and knocking back enemies along its path.
>The spear remains where it lands, increasing the damage of nearby allies.
>The spear remains where it lands
>Remains where it lands

THEN IT'S NOT A FUCKING SINGING SPEAR GOD DAMNIT.

I liked the Dark Eldar better when they all looked like Count D from Pet Shop of Horrors.

>>49664270
>muh fluff

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>>49664296

>He doesn't think fluff is important

>>49664309
gameplay > fluff.

>>49664270
It returns to her when the duration is over, you fucking retard. Its still a singing spear, it just hangs around and sings (KEK) for a bit before it flies back.

>>49659151
Requiem Vampire Knight?

>>49664318

Then don't play DoW. It's an average rts.

>>49664338
>It returns to her when the duration is over

It doesn't say that. Where are you getting this from?

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>>49664263
>>49664262

As far as i remember, the Eldar are described as having long faces and weird eyes but still looking human, the art in the codices seems close enough to that, especially the Dark Eldar.

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>>49655651
Are u now?

>>49655762
Okay now I'm having a giggle.

>>49657515
> Using a lore accurate gameplay mechanic to try and make that point.
2/10 An attempt was made.

>>49657580

If the "shields" of Battle Focus are an abstraction for them weaving and pirouetting through fire then that's okay (if it's reflected in the animations). If its literally just a shield then that's lazy as fuck.

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>>49655663

>>49663109
>>49663698
Terran are Imperium expys, Zerg are Tyranid expys and Protoss are Eldar expys.
This wasn't even in question when Starcraft first game out decades ago. How far into wonderland have you gone to think this way?

>>49664409

>implying third edition tyranids didn't steal the zerg aesthetic

>>49664368
Every game logic ever. If its her primary or even secondary weapon, appearing on her model somehow, it will return once the duration ends, like every other game. See: Tyrael (HOTS), Jarvan IV (League).

What else would it do, disapspear?

>>49664425
Only Blizzfags think that.

>>49664440
>Every other game
>Retarded abortions of the same RTS mod

>>49664361
no it isn't.
You starcraft shitters need to die.
Combat is far more satisying in DoW1/2 than starcraft.

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>>49664454
What else would the spear do then once the duration is over then, big guy?

>>49664440

>Says that is "remains where it lands"
>Lets assume it doesn't despite it saying the complete opposite

Most games where you if you throw something and it just lays there, you have to pick it up.

>>49664469
I wish starcraft was made in the dow 1 engine.

That shit would be cash, watching zerglings fight zealots with actual melee parry/get hit animations.

>>49664479
>duration

What duration? Anon, are you just making up mechanics that aren't mentioned anywhere and then asking people to prove your assumptions wrong?

>>49664479
Materialise a new one, you know like how spirit singers pulled whole buildings out their asses in the first mess of a game.

>>49664469

Who the fuck mentioned anything about starcraft? DoW is generic as fuck without needing comparisons to SC.

>Taldeer returns as a Wtaith Knight
>Her main missionmin every Dawn of War game she appeared in, was to combat the Necrons
>Dawn of War 3 has no Necrons or anything. It's just has three factions (Eldar, Marines, Orks)

They just brought her back and threw her in with the wrong craftworld as an act of the ultimate pandering.

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Idranel is still my favorite.

>>49664515
> Implying Macha isn't copying the Bluud Magpaies and stealing Taldeer
Dream bigger, anon.

>>49664450

It's not wrong though, of course it's also true that SC ripped off the Tyranids before that.

>>49664517
Elenwe is best seer. This cannot be denied.

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>>49664515

Yeah because Relic isn't known for keeping races secret until the very end.

>>49664522
I'm actually somewhat inclined to agree.

>>49664522
Fairly sure she has no lines in the campaign.

>>49664528
Man i hate that piece.
Just illustrates how GW artguys have no clue about fluff.

>>49664535
Elaborate.

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>>49664482
Given the Moba trappings I'm pretty sure it'll just come back after the duration ends, rather than something interesting tactically like having to go pick it up.

Though If it does turns out its another jumping terminators moment with the singing spear not doing literally the one thing its supposed to, I'd like to mention how much it annoys me when they blatantly misuse existing lore items instead of making their own to put in. They could have literally invented a new aura spear to put in the game, if people loved it it would have gotten canonized like the blud rehvens. I personally think the Aura Spear is cool, but why call it a singing spear if it doesn't come back? Just a waste of creativity.

Same with the terminator armour, they could have invented something new for Gabriel, given him some hybrid armour, or simply put him in master crafted Tac armour with a jump pack so he could still jump and stomp on people. Such a simple decision. Such a waste of good lore.

>>49664538
Gauss flayers don't push through shit, they envelop and peel shit apart on a molecular basis like humanoid onions.

Detroyer guns punch through shit.

>>49664496
>duration

Ah fuck I assumed that given the way effects tend to be temporary in vidya, my bad.

Is there some reason that having a moveable banner spear doesn't make it count as a singing spear, does it absolutely have to be a re-usable psychic javelin? Or is it just about it being a moveable psychic spear?

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>>49664548
Are you sure? Because all official art of Gauss flayers has them blasting through stuff.

>>49664568
>Gauss FLAYER is written to FLAY things
>Artist is paid for a piece, skims over the description and looks at some half-arsed previous art
>Gauss FLAYERS now just do the shooty bang bang
Just because it's official doesn't mean it's not fucking stupid and wrong. GW has remarkably little quality control beyond the initial effort.

>>49664568

Yes and it's awful. Why do you think they are called gauss FLAYERS?

>>49664539

Couldn't Gabe also just teleport up? And then fall down?

>>49664568
Yes.

>>49655019
>HALF ELDAR SPACE MARINES
He wasn't a Space Marine, he was an Astropath that worked for them.

>>49664587
Hilarious and about 90% less stupid than his jumping.

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>>49664582
Same reason marine guns are called guns but they don't shot bolts?

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>>49659503

Lelith confirmed best waifu, fuck off haters

>>49664510
>generic
>has a resource management system that is radically different from RTS games
>units are squad based instead of individual units unlike nearly every other RTS game.
>generic
kek.

>>49664611
Thats the closest to the real effect in art.

>>49664630
Did you miss the entire C&C era?

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>>49664611
>Same reason marine guns are called guns but they don't shot bolts?
Tell me what this meant in your head before you typed it out.

>>49664726
Called bolters*

>>49664730
What exactly do you think the ammunition they're firing is called?

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>this entire thread

And that's why Eldar should keep their helmets on.

>>49664681
>C&C
>squad based combat
>game revolving around ore mining
just shut up if you know nothing.

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>>49664770
Unfortunately most people aren't able to masturbate to helmets and they want their space elves look like the elves from their chinese cartoons.

>>49659151
>>49664343

Batshit is best shit,

ty for the discovery anons

>>49664581
I always just assumed that the "blasting through" effect was the flayer beam propagating through the target after flaying everything inside away.

>>49662291
He does seem like a pretty big guy.

We'd have to take his mask off to be surr, but would he die?

>>49654622
"Damn Mon'keigh stopping me from getting my dick wet." after pressing her model at least 100 times, Blizzard style.

>>49664863

It would be extremely heretical.

>>49664873
You're a big marine

>>49662947
And yet, it's still the official art of her from the codex.

I like Goodwin's art but it is CONCEPT art.

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>>49664915

FOR THE DARK GODS

>>49664915
For you

>>49664933
Was getting summoned part of your scheme?

>>49664947

Of course!

>>49654622
"Chapter Master, do not gift me a Vindicare assassin!"

This thread has become epic. Epic for the win.

>>49664955
Well congratulations, you got yourself summoned, now, what's the next step in the future you've divined?

>>49664980

Crashing this Imperium, with no LICKSPITTLES!

>>49664955
Well congratulations, you got yourself two different sets of dubs, now, what's the next step in your dark scheme?

>>49664784
>strawman strawman strawman

Eldar aren't described like ayy lmaos and they aren't drawn like that in most official art. I'm not sure the black eyes thing is even canon outside of FFG (though I do like it, it's a cool effect).

Basically all descriptions of Eldar say they look like breathtakingly slender humans with pointed features, long ears, and overwhelming innate grace. You know, like standard Tolkienesque elves.

They elves you shitlord. They look like elves.

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>>49664966

>>49664928
Theres a fair difference between goodwin type concept art and say "study in red and brown fingerpainting"

>>49665008
Don't like the fact that the Eldar in your fap-folder don't quite match the Eldar descibed in the sources? The whole Necron discussion above should show you that GW artists don't know their own lore and you are beyond helping if you base them fanart. But it's only when it's about your Eldar waifus, then the incosistent depictions of them are all true as long as they please your dick. Truth is no source stats that they have the exact same facial structure as a human, which would also be really strange considering them being an alien race that has no connection to humanity and when describing them they are most of the time deliberately vague.

Eldar gain nothing by looking like humans, I can't think of a good reason why someone would want them to be like that.

>wahhh space eldar are humans with pointy slim features
>no they have ayy lmao features with humanoid bodies
I will fuck it either way and accept my fate at the end of a bolter pistol

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>>49665086

> which would also be really strange considering them being an alien race that has no connection to humanity and when describing them they are most of the time deliberately vague.

Unless it was retconned, they were both made by the old ones, and everything the only thing the old ones make are monkeys.

>>49665086

Except the depictions aren't inconsistent at all. They're tall lanky humanoids with long faces, sharp features and spooky eyes. Which is how they are depicted in most cases in GW's artwork, see:

>>49655564
>>49655582
>>49662947
>>49664370

Lelith is the exception to the rule, and it's reasonable to think that not all eldar look the same and it's possible for them to have different features.

>>49664760
Cartridges

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>>49665121
Nah, I forget about that. They also made the Orks, so not every creation needs to look exactly the same.

>>49665148
>They're tall lanky humanoids with long faces, sharp features and spooky eyes
Awesome, so, why do some people in this thread think Eldar should look like pic related? Why do I get the feeling that Relics design is closer to this than the artwork published before?

>>49665197
because GW's art flipflops all over the place.

>>49665197

Because you're blind, go stare at the OP image. She has a long face and she has sharp features, the only thing they didn't manage to get right was the eyes and that her cheekbones aren't that pronounced, however given that she is a female eldar i don't think that's a bad thing, even if they did in the concept art here:

>>49654896

And in any case, her in game model does looks more like what you want the eldar to look like.

>>49655571

>>49665086
>lololol fap folder hurr

More strawmanning. Do you know how to do anything else?

Fact: Eldar are not described as looking like triangle people. In many sources they are even said to be able to be mistaken for humans until they move. The descriptions given for Eldar make them sound like typical Tolkien elves, and the art for them ranges from that to extremely stylized slender greys.

Absolutely all art put out by GW is canon. All these interpretations of Eldar, which mostly come down to artist style and opinion, are canon. Beckjann Eldar are probably my favourite, though I also like that picture of Eldrad further up in this thread, but I am not going to pretend that the typical description for Eldar is anything but Tolkien Elves or that the vast majority of art depicts them like this.

>>49665197
Because GW's description of them fits that picture AND the super lanky version, and their art is distributed roughly equally between the two.

Also because you're retarded. The OP design is a balance between the two but more on the lank alien side of things.

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>>49665221
I thought it doesn't, like >>49665148 has shown.

>>49665226
She has a bit of a pointy chin, but she could really pass as a human if you cut out the really dumb looking ears.

>>49665234
Whenever you have a description of their faces, you will get the sharp, pointy features and strange eyes. You will not be able to show me a description of their faces that says it has the same structure and shape as a human. Sources of them looking quite like a human also mention "passing glances", meaning the person doesn't really know how to spot an Eldar and doesn't take a good look at them.

>>49663810
>because dragoons and stalkers are completely different than eldar wraithbone constructs
Yes, they are.
They are fucking cybernetic exoskeletons.
There is a reason why you need to construct a CYBERNETICS CORE before you can build them. They house crippled protoss warriors inside of them.
They are fucking nothing like Wraith Constructs. They are closer to god damn Dreadnoughts than to Wraith constructs.

I don't think that she looks bad necessarily but for the ears. I like her ingame model so far. She looks visually distinct from previous farseers in a way that suits her well enough.

As far as attitude go I haven't played the DoW1 campaign in probably 10 years so I can't comment on it save for remembering her being a bitch most of the time.

>>49665584
And the entire shared dreamspace and the khala which is central to their shared heritage?
The old gods parallel with the xel'naga and the manufactured races thing they have going on?
Pure coincidence.

>>49665294
You also won'the get descriptions saying they look like gaunt greys either. The 'slender with pointed features' description fits the standard Tolkien elf look exactly.

Just accept that these descriptions are intentionally vague so as to invite a broad range of interpretations. Like everything in 40K.

>>49665617
The concepts of these things are vague enough that they could be ripped off almost 1:1 and not ring alarm bells. Change the names and the exact method of access and that's as good as inventing your original donutsteel OC.

eldar need to seem insectoid and utterly alien, not shitty dota elves

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>>49664928
Jess Goodwin's concept art is the most accurate source for Eldar appearance there is.
That fucker practically invented the aesthetics of both types of Eldar, and has been refining them for decades.

If he draws Eldar having faces like picture related, (which is how the fluff also describes them), then that is how the Eldar are supposed to look, and other depictions, no matter what the source, are inaccurate.
The Eldar are not some animu elves.

>>49665274
GW description of them doesn't fit that picture AT ALL.
That is just some pretty human, that has none of the signature eldar facial features.

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>>49665621
>The 'slender with pointed features' description fits the standard Tolkien elf look exactly
Aside from that one note about their ears, I don't really see any description of Tolkien elves having pointed features. Tolkien usually doesn't describe his fantasy races much, which leads to some confusion here and there.

But we don't need to go that far, GW has their own brand of Elves that can look quite funny.

>implying Beckjann Eldar are notably inhuman

They're just Swedes with black eyes.

>>49665708
Th same problems exist with defining WHFB elves. They're described like regular elves and their art swings erratically between black eyed fey creepers and... standard elves.

>>49665712
What kind of swede looks like >>49665708 , i've never seen one like that

>>49665617
>And the entire shared dreamspace and the khala which is central to their shared heritage?

The Eldar have nothing like the Khala.
The Khala is a semi hivemind that all protoss innately share (unless they cut off their nerve cords), and it allows them to feel each other's thoughts and emotions like they were their own.
The Infinity Circuit is a matrix within the craftworlds into which Eldar souls are placed once the Eldar is kill. It is a very concrete, and existing afterlife, and those souls can be recalled from that place into wraith constructs and shit.
And while the Protoss may believe that they "become one with the Khala" upon death, there is no concrete evidence that it is an actual afterlife for them. Tassadar died, and stayed pretty fucking dead, in SC1, whereas when an Eldar hero dies, if the soulstone is recovered, you can still fucking chat with the dude.
(inb4 force ghost Tassadar, that wasn't him, it was a Xel'naga masquerading as him in order to manipulate Zeratul, dumb, I know, but that's SC2 for you).

Also, ancient precursor aliens that created life across the universe is not a concept unique to 40k, nor did GW come up with it. It is a one of the many common scifi cliches, upon which both Starcraft and 40k are built upon.

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>>49665708
Oh yes look at this fucking disgusting ayyy woman depicted here, what an horrible inhuman face!

>>49665712
Swedes don't look like that senpai.
t.Finn

>>49664963
Wrong Farseer.

>>49665766
Those eyes are pretty inhuman 8.

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>>49665739
>>49665766
The elongated faces, strange eye-color and almond-shaped eyes seem to be pretty universal.

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>>49665814
Oh yeah warhammer elves are strikingly repulsive creatures from warp.

>>49665789
Asian people are inhumans then?

>>49665832
That's basically a human with pointy ears. Do you have any pics of men?

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>>49665843
Of course.

>>49665814
Just flip through the Dark Elves army book. I've got it on my lap right now. 90% of the art is just regular elves looking very mean.

In fact, I can't find a single image in here with the black eyes, which is a bit disappointing. Maybe that's a recent development.

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>>49665832
Asians don't have souls, so of course.

Also
>posting mmo character art as evidence of anything.

MMO's have attractive characters, because most people don't want to play as weird looking things.

Picture related is more accurate depiction of a Dark Elf.

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>>49665874
>Picture related is more accurate depiction of a Dark Elf.
>red eyes
>pointy face
>white hair
So average drow slut? I can take her.

>>49654607
>dat anime ears

>>49665757
the eldar have the infinity circuit which have khala parallels in that they store the racial memories of their kind.
The protoss believe that what happens to the eldar happens to them. Furthermore, Amon used the khala to corrupt the protoss. They are innately psychic beings that fly around in ships and are on the verge of dying.
The tal'darim are a pg-13 dark eldar ripoff.

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>>49665860
Skimmed through the high elf book. The problem is that most faces are very obscured by a lot of pompous helmets. Strange eyes seem to have gone, but it's most of the time hard to see. I would say that the elongated faces are still there.

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>>49665986
literally the same as this

>>49666060
It's remarable that you were able to post that pic while being blind.

>>49665985
>the eldar have the infinity circuit which have khala parallels in that they store the racial memories of their kind.
And that is the only place where they have anything in common with each other. The infinity circuit stores actual fucking SOULS that can be interacted with, spoken to, and used to animate war machines, whereas the Khala just "stores" the memories of the protoss who have are alive, and have lived. Also, the method of storage is completely different, with the Infinity Circuit being a part of the skeleton of the Craftworld, while the protoss rely on having specialized "preservers" who memorize everything in the Khala into their own minds, so that that knowledge is kept. The khala itself doesn't hold those memories, it just allows other protoss an access into them due to the preservers holding those memories, or something like that.

>Furthermore, Amon used the khala to corrupt the protoss.
Yes, and?

>They are innately psychic beings that fly around in ships and are on the verge of dying.
Protoss were nowhere close on the verge of dying in SC1. Their situation only became that after Zerg invaded Aiur. And the idea that they were on the verge of dying even then is sorta strange, as the protoss had an entire EMPIRE, not just Aiur as their homeworld.

>The tal'darim are a pg-13 dark eldar ripoff.
The Tal'Darim don't resemble Deldar in any other regard than just liking edgy looking armor.
Deldar are hardcore individualists, who are only kept in a degree of control by Vect's carefully applied tyranny, and social design of Commoragh.
The Tal'Darim worship some sort of void god willingly, and believe in a rigid rule of servitude that binds them into their god, and those who are higher on this ladder as well.

If we use DND's stupid alignment shit, Deldar are chaotic evil, while Tal'Darim are Lawful Evil.

>>49666095
>same jawline
>muh elves look like ayylmaos.

>>49654607
He fucked up.

Eldars are David Bowie cosplayers in SPACE.

She doesn't look like David Bowie here.

So she looks wrong.

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>>49666110
This.
Hairmetal Eldar=Best Eldar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQakAeIkRU8

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>>49666156
Not necessarily hair metal, but new romantic at the very least.

This is what an eldar woman looks like.

>>49666100
Not the guy you're talking with, but you sound like a guy arguing that Ken is nothing like Ryu. There are differences, I guess, but he's still fundamentally a palette swap.

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>>49666204
>but he's still fundamentally a palette swap.
Only on a casual glance, to someone who has no idea about the background of either races.

Though, arguably, SC2 did make the protoss more like the Eldar than they used to be, though the differences are still pretty big.
SC1 Protoss didn't really resemble the Eldar at all outside of the "ancient psychic race with super tech" niche.

Aesthetically, the protoss looked very unique in SC1. It is a shame that Blizzard fucked up the aesthetics in SC2.

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Eldar should look fabulous.
The one in the OP doesn't look fabulous.

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>>49666180
>>49666156

>>49666100
the tal'darim promote themselves by killing their opponents and taking their place, just like the dark eldar
they cause suffering just like the dark eldar
their aesthetic is just like the dark eldar.

>nowhere close to dying
and they are now. they became far similar to the eldar as time went on, from aesthetics to fluff.

>>49666253
So, tau aesthetics and eldar-lite fluff?
truly original.

>>49666333
you misunderstand glam

I actually was told that SC was originally a 40k game, but the liscensing fell through and Blizzard made it anyway.

>>49666401
yep

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>>49666337
>the tal'darim promote themselves by killing their opponents and taking their place, just like the dark eldar
In very ritual, regimented fashion, that has strict rules, and is seen as a religious rite by most. Attacking your superior outside of that ritual will get you killed as it is seen as sacrilegious.
Whereas Deldar are opportunistic bastards who will use any tool and opportunity they have to fuck over their superiors.

>they cause suffering just like the dark eldar
No they don't. ALARAK may be sadistic, but nowhere is it supported that as a whole, the Tal'darim enjoy causing suffering and wreaking havoc. If anything, it is the opposite, as for the wast majority of their history, those fuckers had stayed away from the rest of the protoss and other races in general, minding their own damn business, and worshiping their god.
Society and philosophy wise, the Tal'darim are completely different from Dark Eldar. The only place where they have something in common is the usage of narcotics, as the Tal'darim use Terrazine to commune with their god.

>their aesthetic is just like the dark eldar.
Yes, which is why I said that their love of edgy aesthetics is the only major common ground they have.

Just to clarify, I don't particularly like the Tal'darim, or think that they are unique in any real way, I just think that comparing them to Deldar showcased a distinct lack of knowledge of how either faction works.

>and they are now. they became far similar to the eldar as time went on, from aesthetics to fluff.
Because Blizzard of today is nothing like the Blizzard that made SC1. I fucking hate most of the shit SC2 did to the franchise, including the changes to Protoss. SC2 protoss look like shit when compared to their SC1 counterparts.

>>49666356
The original SC1 protoss precede the tau, you mong, and again, their lore doesn't resemble Eldar in any way outside of the cliched "ancient psychic ayy lmaos with super tech".

>>49666401
That's fucking bullshit and only a moron believes in it in this day and age. There has never been any proof of there being such plans on either GW's or Blizzard's part.

The source of that persistent myth is probably the fact that Blizzard had PLANNED on potentially asking the license for Warhammer Fantasy for original Warcraft game, but decided not to do it, because they wanted to have the control of their own IP.

The reason Starcraft resembles 40k is largely because they both draw inspiration from same cliched scifi sources.
This shit resembles Starship Troopers and Alien, more than 40k.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7pifjPrBqI

>>49666445
>In very ritual, regimented fashion, that has strict rules, and is seen as a religious rite by most. Attacking your superior outside of that ritual will get you killed as it is seen as sacrilegious.
>Whereas Deldar are opportunistic bastards who will use any tool and opportunity they have to fuck over their superiors.
>they kill each other to get promoted.
>but they do it in ritual fashion that they disregard at a whim: See Alarak becoming second ascendant.

The Tal'darim have a fleet that is called the death fleet, have been known to capture protoss who oppose them, routinely fuck up mining outposts and the like and kill anything that comes close to their terrazine.

Coupled with their aesthetics and their high prevalence of violence in society, they are a clear dark eldar stand in.

>>49666545
Not him, but i feel that they both drew from very similar sources rather than being a 'stand in'

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>>49654607
>beloved

>>49656676
They're actually really kawaii.

>>49665951
Were deldars just a stand in for feminists?

>>49666582
which ones exactly?
The SC2 redesign also made everything about the protoss redesigned and overly ornate, which rightfully brought about the eldar comparisons. Then they went ahead and made the Tal'darim, which are as dark eldar as can be in aesthetics and general faction fluff.

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>>49666545
>but they do it in ritual fashion that they disregard at a whim: See Alarak becoming second ascendant.

Alarak didn't disregard the rules of that ritual. He just knew what aspects of it were actual, sacred scripture, and what were just customary. He himself, didn't see it as anything more than a game to be played in order to gain power, but that doesn't apply to the rest of his people.
When he became the second ascendant, he used the fact the supplicants usually declared their allegiance to their champion before the combat started, to his advantage, by fooling the others into believing he was supporting Nuroka by fighting by his side, only to actually declare his allegiance to M'lash when the other supplicants were dead, thus offing Nuroka too, and becoming the Second ascendant.

He didn't break any of the rules of the combat, only the custom of when one declares one's allegiance.

>The Tal'darim have a fleet that is called the death fleet,
And the Deldar have nothing of the sort. Also, the Deathfleet was assembled when Amon commanded it to be created as he intended to use the Tal'darim as his tools of destruction.
Again, the Tal'darim are servants of an evil god, and they exist to do Amon's bidding even in their own minds. Only after it became apparent that Amon intended to destroy them too in the end, did Alarak decide to rebel.

>have been known to capture protoss who oppose them, routinely fuck up mining outposts and the like and kill anything that comes close to their terrazine.
None of those aspects make them that similar to Deldar. They just mark them out as being massive cunts.

>Coupled with their aesthetics and their high prevalence of violence in society, they are a clear dark eldar stand in.
I disagree. They are just an evil variation of the cliched "proud warrior race" shit that the standard protoss have.
Aesthetically they do share some similarities with the Deldar though.

>>49666630
>Spiky spacedudes
>who are piratical in their interactions with other factions
>are competitive and meritocratic
All of these are pretty common

>>49666626
no

Is it bad that my first thought when I read "Modernizing" is they made her black?

>>49666653
>None of those aspects make them that similar to Deldar. They just mark them out as being massive cunts.
guess what the defining characteristics of the dark eldar are when compared to the eldar?

>alarak weasels out of his "MUH SACRED TRADITION"
he broke his people's code. Simple as that. Didn't give a fuck about the code when his time came.

Their aesthetics and general faction background is the same as the dark eldar. They look the same. (big spiky, edgy armor) They act the same (massive cunts who ally with people if they need something)

>Eldars look like ayyliens
>as indisputable proof, here's 2 pieces of artwork out of 1,000 from the 30ish year history of 40k

>>49666675
The Tal'darim aren't even that piratical. They have stolen Khalai technology here and there, but in a very small scale way, so that their existence wasn't even noticed by the mainline protoss during the thousands of years this shit kept happening.

Though, we all know the above is just a flimsy justification for why the Tal'darim have same units as the Khalai protoss do in the game.

The Tal'darim are pretty shoehorned into the game, but at least their Legacy of the Void incarnation has some character unlike the way Wings of Liberty and Heart of the Swarm depicted them.

All in all though, like most things in SC2, the Tal'darim are kinda crap.
SC1 surpasses SC2 in every way, from gameplay to aesthetics and lore.

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>>49666706
>if they're called dark eldar why are they white

>>49666713
>guess what the defining characteristics of the dark eldar are when compared to the eldar?
Being slave raiding pirates who indulge in despicable acts in order to stave off Slaanesh?
That is quite lot more than just being "cunts".

>he broke his people's code. Simple as that. Didn't give a fuck about the code when his time came.
He never gave a fuck. That was part of his fucking character, that set him apart from the rest of the Tal'darim, who very much revered the chain of ascension as sacred. And while he may have broken a tradition on how the Rak'shir ritual worked, he didn't break the sacred texts describing the rules. The rules did not say when the combatants had to declare their allegiances, only that once declared, they could not be switched. Alarak used that to his advantage.

>general faction background is the same as the dark eldar.
Their backgrounds are nothing alike, holy fucking shit.
The Dark Eldar are survivors of the fall of the Eldar, some of whom had even part in causing the fall to happen, whereas the Tal'darim are the favored servants of Amon, that Amon TOOK WITH HIM, when the rest of the protoss drove the Xel'naga out of Aiur.

>They look the same. (big spiky, edgy armor)
Deldar are characterized by very sleek armors, even though they are spiky and edgy.

>They act the same (massive cunts who ally with people if they need something)
Hardly.
Alarak isn't a "massive cunt" to his allies. Sarcastic, smug and actively seeking to irritate them, yes, but he does hold his bargains, and even begins to respect the Templar a bit by the end.
Whereas the Deldar will actively seek to backstab you for their own amusement, if nothing else.

>>49662148
Who is this comfy chap I've seen in pics here and there?

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>>49666756
It truly is a shame that there is no vidya that depicts the new and improved looking Deldar.

>>49654607
They could at least admit that they liked the fan design of Macha so much they put in some references into the final design.

>>49666797
their thematics and and their basic characterizations are the same.

Twist all you want, they are clear dark eldar stand ins.

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and acts like a duck, it is a duck.
Saying that it is a peking duck or a swan is semantics at that point.

Blizzard did what they always do. They took (read stole) ideas from other fantasy settings twisted some stuff so that it wouldn't be a blatant copy and passed it off as their own.

>>49666253
Strange I felt like the designs only got better with time, the buildings actually looked alien now and not retro rayguns with rings and fins

>>49666445
Remove nostalgia goggles, the game is better then ever

>>49666940
MP sure.
the story suffered a lot. Which is kinda sad because the missions are fucking fantastic, and the opening sequences to WoL was god tier.

>>49666963
I'll give you that, plot should have been... plotted fully before wings was finished, but personally barring the epilogue missions I liked Legacy of the void better then wings of liberty,

>>49660995

Reverse position head pat the best

>>49666906
>Their thematics and and their basic characterizations are the same
Except they aren't. The Tal'darim are basically cultists who worship an evil god. Their culture, behavior and actions have very little in common with the deldar, outside of the "kill your boss to be promoted" thing, which is in no way, a trait the deldar pioneered.

>Twist all you want, they are clear dark eldar stand ins.
No, they are "evil protoss" stand ins, and work as a counterpoints to the "good" protoss.

>>49667058
lets agree to disagree.

>>49667118
This is 4chan. Tradition dictates that we must keep arguing and insulting each other until the thread falls off the board.

>>49666843
Boooo, no helmet. That's the best about the new DE.

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>>49664408

>Both sexes elude the same alien attraction
>upon male and females humans

Forgive me emperor for I have sinned.

>>49663109
Do you not know that Starcraft was originally going to be a 40K game?

>>49667259
No, WARcraft was supposedly going to be a Warhammer Fantasy game. Starcraft was always its own thing.

>>49667492
except the 7% profit GW got.

>>49667500
Yeah, I'm gonna call bullshit on that one until you can provide some legit fucking citations.

>>49655571
She looks like a fucking tranny.

>>49654607
>modernizing macha
>looks like a fucking tranny and generic as fuck.

DOW III art direction sort of sucks balls.

>>49668036(You)

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>>49665708
For the most part Warhammer elves don't look that weird.

>>49668471
>triggered

>>49668710
there was no official art of macha you mong. She had a giant helmet for a head.
Relic based it off fan art as they themselves mentioned. I get it, it is hard for /pol/yps to read since they are used to getting information in infographics format, but at least apply yourself.

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>>49668626
There does tend to be a lot of variation in how GW has them drawn, though, much like with Eldar.

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>>49668833

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>>49667237
Would.
Balls deep.

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>>49668845

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>>49668923

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>>49668933
Generally speaking I imagine them at a midpoint between Beckjann deldar and normal elves.

Like this guy.

>>49665652
Except none of that stuff is in codices or in any remotely accessible medium for 40K art.

Concept art is just that. CONCEPT art. When they release concept art books for films people don't go around saying "yeah, THOSE are the REAL canon, the stuff in the actual film is FAKE." Because that would be fucking retarded, anon.

Goodwin's art is great and I like his Eldar, particularly his older hair metal Eldar. But the stuff in the actual books is just as official. More official, even.

Before you respond, let me just summarize your own argument for you, so you don't have to bother typing:

>reeee u not true fan animu animu it's only how I say it is!

I'm afraid that's not how reality works anon.

>>49669070
>the art of the dude who practically invented the look of the Eldar is less accurate to what they are supposed to look like, than some shit some random faggot GW hired to draw a couple of pictures to a dex is.

Not the way how it works senpai.

>>49669070
Oh, also, thanks for posting that art. I recently changed computers and misplaced a few folders during the transfer.

>>49655480
>>49664370
are also extremely cool.

>>49669108
I'm afraid it is. Concept art is used to build the foundation of a project. It's not the finished product.

I actually work in an industry where this is relevant. I find it hilarious that you apparently do not understand what concept art is used for.

Again, all the art GW puts out is canon, whether you like it or not. Some of that art has Jesdar, some of it has super extreme greydar, some of it has Tolkien elfdar. Some of it is a rare compromise between two or three styles. But it's all official, and all canon. And the actual description of Eldar in words is vague enough to include all of them.

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>>49665951
This is what Dark Elves look like as far as I'm concerned.

Dark Eldar revamp is pretty damn cool though. They managed to turn around a goofy looking army into a properly metal one.

>>49664533
None of the fourth commanders do.

Tarkus does

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>>49669377
>>49669769
Yeah, Space Marines and Orks alone received that privilege. Tarkus talks once he reveals himself, though only in the Space Hulk cutscene - part of which was cut - and one more line in the final mission. Likewise, Spookums and Brikkfist have a few lines each.

On the other hand, only two of the Chaos heroes got campaign dialogue, though they did also have Abaddon himself checking in on them from time to time. There were actually two lines recorded for Kain in the first mission, but both went unused.

>>49664777
>squad based combat.

Not all of them had squad based combat, maaaaaybe you should take your own advice before posting.

>>49665652
>>49666156
>>49666333
Seriously, Eldar need those longcoats and jackets back.

They looked awesome in them.

>>49671515

Well Macha has a longcoat in DoW3, the DOW2 farseers also had one.

>>49668809
>there was no official art of macha you mong.
What is an official model then? Only cause you are in /tg/ doesnt mean you have to act like a retarded faggot.

>>49669070
>Except none of that stuff is in codices or in any remotely accessible medium for 40K art.

How about his new book with eldar art then you fucking faggot? He designed the entire Eldar range himself, so he has a modicum of authority when it comes to how eldar are supposed to look like.

As a matter of fact you sound like one of the autists from the dow 2 forums. It's an autist then in there.

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>>49665294

Looks like a TES Elf.

>>49672585
Sorry, sketch books are not canon materials. I enjoy The Gothic and the Eldritch but I am not stupid enough to assert that all the cool early concepts in there are how everything is meant to be. That's not how concept art works.

>hurr there are clearly multiple canon interpretations of THING based on a vague description of THING but only my favouritest version of THING is the right one

No anon, you are the autist here.

I like my spess elves like the picture of Eldrad with his helmet off further up in the thead. As I am not a giant retard with a stick up my arse about 'animu' (whatever the fuck that means, NONE of the stuff in this thread looks like anime), however, I acknowledge that it is not hard canon and multiple visual representations of Eldar exist.

Goodwin's concept art being drawn by him has no bearing on this. It is CONCEPT art. As in, not the final product. It's very cool and some of the later art is very much in line with it... and some isn't.

I can't wait for Taldeer to die again while Ronahn is piloting her.

>>49665769
Do not lie to them, all swedes look like fairies.

>>49657509

Protoss buildings are Eldar-like.

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>>49673362
Not really.
Eldar structures tend to be very slim and organic looking, whereas Protoss structures have far more bulk to them.

>>49665708
Tolkien describes his elves as taller than men, but not as thick. I believe it was in Fellowship that he describes Elron sitting next to Gandalf as much taller, but Gandalf's shoulders were much broader. Incidentally, he would also use the same sort of comparison between Aragorn and Boromir while they're plowing their way through the Caradhras Pass. Or rather, broad-shouldered Boromir was plowing, taller Aragorn was steering because he could see over the snow.

He'd constantly use terms like "beautiful" and "fair" to describe the elf men, but never liked the effeminate look for his elves that some artists took.
And really, aside from the ears, there were several humans who were mistaken for elves, by elves, like Hurin. So he obviously didn't see that much difference between them.

>>49657509
>ridiculously long lived, psychic, wise race, with technology so advanced it seems like magic to other races
>destroyed planets and killed millions of other races to preserve their own
>live on space colony ships because their homeworld was destroyed
>are at the mercy of a godlike being

I admit they are pretty distinct these days, but in the first StarCraft game it was really easy to spot the similarities.

>>49658687
DoW III is dead to me because I can't get over that Gabriel flip no matter how much I try to. Also, no Paul Dobson is a major minus in my book.

>na uuuuuuh space elves look like this!
>keeps posting dark eldar, who look more wicked and strange reflecting their nature

Eldar are pretty elves, just deal with it and wait for dedlar to get added. so get comfy faggots they're not coming any time soon

>>49673505

>>ridiculously long lived, psychic, wise race, with technology so advanced it seems like magic to other races
Standard scifi trope, that is in no way, unique to the Eldar.
>>destroyed planets and killed millions of other races to preserve their own
Protoss in general, did not do this. Their act of destroying Terran colonies was one due to the grave threat the Zerg posed, and Tassadar was so disturbed by it that he stopped purging those planets from orbit after the first one.
>>live on space colony ships because their homeworld was destroyed
Only in SC2.
>>are at the mercy of a godlike being
Same as above.


>>I admit they are pretty distinct these days, but in the first StarCraft game it was really easy to spot the similarities.

What the fuck are you talking about?
SC2 is what made Protoss more like the Eldar.
SC1 protoss had barely anything in common with them, outside of standard scifi crap that can be found in tons of other settings as well. They were mysterious, dogmatic alien zealots, with a martial, and honor focused culture in SC1, whose motives only became apparent in the final part of the campaign, where you actually controlled them.
In the first 2 parts, you had no real clue what they were about.

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>>49673521
>>keeps posting dark eldar, who look more wicked and strange reflecting their nature

Wrong.
In general, Deldar don't look any different from the Craftworld Eldar on the surface, par paler skin and having more muscular bodies.
Seen with witch sight though, their souls reveal their true, depraved nature.

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Its a fucking setting with space orks, so they are are fucking space elves.

How did a setting try to take itself so seriously. I would understand if it had no generic fantasy races but no. We got this.

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>>49672890
>Sorry, sketch books are not canon materials.
But the illustrations of the miniatures designed by the autor of such sketches are?

Nigga you are contradicting yourself.

>>49672890
>No anon, you are the autist here.
>I like my spess elves like the picture of Eldrad with his helmet off further up in the thead.

Calls people autist, proceeds to act like a deranged manchild.

>>49673813
There's no contradiction there. Stuff in codices is canon. Concept art is not. Deal with it. You wouldn't screech about Immortan Joe being wrong because he doesn't look like some concept art of him that you like. This is the same shit.

You're the one who started with the ad hominem shit anon. You're also the only one acting like a manchild with your "muh favouritest way is literally only way all other ways is WRUNG and ANIMOO" shit. Pretty hilarious that you don't recognize this, but I guess we can't all be blessed with basic self awareness.

It takes a special kind of autism to argue about "canon" or the proper "look" of something in WH40k.

>>49672531
He meant without a helmet. There has never been any official indication of what Macha's face looks like you dumbass.

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>You will never cuddle a Farseer

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>>49676446
why

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>>49676538
Because, Anon.

Also I'm fairly sure /v/ tossed around the idea of an Eldar dating sim earlier.

>Girl (or guy) for each Eldar path
>Farseer is literally Macha, piss her off and she'll make you fight the Tyranids
>Striking Scorpion is constantly spying on you, either teasing you or getting flustered
>Dark Reaper is super mellow
>Howling Banshee is a man.

It had my attention. If only for the cuddling.

>>49668036
She's a bit repulsive. Then again i think they're making their models look exactly like the minis.

>>49676618
Did it get made?

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I still load up DoW 1 to compstomp every now and again, it's entertaining. I just use Dow2 as a a posing game for screens though.

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>>49678254

I use DoW2 whenever i want to play a campaign, Chaos Rising to be more specific.

I also like that one mod that adds all the weapons possible to dreadnaughts.

>stomping tyranid scums with twin linked assault cannon boxes

I'm not convinced Macha is a total virgin anymore; she seems real I to that spear of hers, including making it explode all over things.

>>49673597
Except that Dark Eldar are super into body modification in order to make a fashion statement or try to spook people. Hence why for an entire year the Dark Eldar were scarring and making themselves ugly because "Haemonuclli were in style" that season.

>>49678729
That was just the upper echelons of the society.
The average Deldar doesn't look really that different from the average Craftworlder.

Feeling like ordering a squad of ShadowSpectres now. Had them on wishlist for legit years with FW but not ordered due to lack of support for Eldar/DE models.

I get that they're unpopular lines to model for but since these things are made to order can they not just design the models for them? I already own a tantalus, FW avatar and about 3 waveserpent conversion kits.

>>49654607
Is it illegal to make attractive characters now?

>>49655664
>Did you miss the part where the Ork Mek called the Blood Ravens "Thieving Magpies"? Or the Commissar proclaiming "DRIVE ME CLOSER! I WANT TO HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD!" sometimes when he was mounted in a Chimera?
Haven't played the games but that is some top-tier cringe right there

>>49679270

It is in current year.

>>49656733
>Kaptin Bloodflagg using method of elimination and logic to find the BBEG.

>the hat-subplot

>Nailbrains technobabble

>Bloodflagg turns the Space Hulk into his new kruiza.

I want the Ork campaign to be canon.

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>>49679270
>these ears
>attractive

Am I missing something?

Why are people saying the Devs browse 4chan? Just because Macha has that warpaint/facial tattoos? And why is Lee Salo important?

>>49666756
oh my god, Vulkan
you can't just ask someone why they're white

>>49668809
well, you do realize they had Macha in a book, where she was described as being close to what fan art renders her, right? In fact, I'm pretty sure the whole reason she was drawn with the face stripes was because of the book mentioning it.

Ugh. Why can't people just like eldar unconditionally and not give a flying-friggity-fuck about what they look like?

>>49673597
Ehhh, all Eldar should look pretty different really.

They've been living on wildly different environments for the last 20,000 years or so. There should be a good deal of genetic diversity going on. I imagine Craftworlders, Commorrites and Exodites all look pretty difference from one another. There's no guarantee that one Exodite or Craftworlder population would even look like another. The only true pre-Fall Eldar are Harlequins honk honk.

>>49679708
>reeeee anime reeee waifus reee i like it this way

This is why.

Some people are just colossal shitheads.

>>49679751
Honestly, I think their tabletop tech (Vehicles and walkers) look brick-shitting amazing at times. Their weapons are relatively unique and away from the standard of ballistic and ammunition based weaponry. Psykers, a ton of psykers. Their lore, while middling, is still above average. And even their ground models have cool and sleek looking armor. I didn't like their helmets at first all those years ago but damn they grew on me.

>>49679708
>reeeee I can't masturbate to this reee where are my waifus

This is why.

Some people are just colossal roody-poos.

>>49679592
which is funny because no one considers C.S Goto's books to be canon, but his descriptions are now literally canon because of fan art.

>>49679708
>eldar are space elves
>"why don't you like them because they look like thin men and sectoids?"
I wonder why.

>>49679751

Eldar ARE anime though, they are "hayai" and they shoot shurikens at you while they teleport behind you and stab you with their nipponese looking space folded 40k times steel.

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>>49679836
Shuriken weapons, some symbols and arguebly the aspect warrior paths are the only nipponese things about them. They draw inspiration from a lot of ancient cultures and mythologies.

Their swords never looked really japanese to me, more like regular curved blades.

>>49679867

Yes you are correct, but they're still very anime.

>>49679867
they are still anime.

>>49679908
80's anime, specifically.

>>49679867
THICC