The MArines Malevolent, a Chapter of acidic asshats who giggle

>>49613698
First of all I think it should be said that "Marines Malevolent" is a moniker from OUTSIDE the chapter, given by bleeding hearts like the Salamanders and jealous weaklings in the guard.

The true name of the chapter is FAR more praiseworthy.

It is: ...

>>49613698
It should be established now: we're not going to try to redeem these asshats, are we? I think it would be more reasonable to have them start out at, say, Minotaur-level dickishness, and then through a mixture of bad decisions and outside forces be reduced to the piss-armored jackasses they are now.

I say that the WHOLE chapter exclusively draws from the finest specimens of Civilized-world middle schools.

>>49613821
Of course not. Redemption is pointless. Maybe making them more thaan JUST Asshats, give reason to their dickishness

>>49613779
Thunder Marines?
Lightning Warriors?

Aren't these guy shown in ultramarines novel.

Where even the captain is a fucking prick.

The entire chapter is recruited from /b/.

Lets start with basics.

Who's their Progenitor? Do we even know who or are they unsure themselves?

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>>49613698
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>>49613856

ITT: Buttblasted Melanated Lizards and Refugee Militiamen

>>49613779
Marines Malefic?
Immolators?
Angels vindictive?

Come on, if e go this angle then lets get more suggestions... though a new name seems a bit counter intuitive hoestly and what they have is alright if a bit o the nose

>>49613908
You appear to be missing the point. The M and Ms are intentionally written as douchebags. If you try and take that away from them, you're diluting the core concept. They're the inverse of the Lamenters. Instead of fucking themselves over by being too nice, they fuck themselves over by being too mean.

If you want a more moderate but still asshole-y chapter, the Red Talons work just fine.

>>49614156
Maybe they were a test chapter to increase aggression, similar to the Minotaurs, but they were deemed failures as their gene-seed made them in-compliant, but rather than waste the development they stuffed the gene-seed into a bunch of fucks nobody would miss anyways and sent them on a crusade.

They've always been issues shit equipment, even before they pissed off the Mechanicus, because they were never intended to survive long by the High Lords.

>>49614209
Of course, they fucked up the "they'll die off eventually" plan by being colossal assholes, and taking every opportunity to dick over anyone and anything that might get in their way. Looking out for # 1 appears to be a chapter specialty.

>>49614280
They're JUST selfish enough to keep themselves going despite nobody having their backs, but also just selfish enough to ensure everyone fucking hates them with no exceptions.

The big question is why haven't they fallen to Chaos? Their promotional system works the same as the Dark Eldar, and they have no regard for human life, but why are they still loyal? Perfection of Humanity cult?

>>49613698
I unironically like them for being the paragons of dickishness in a sea of super powered heroes. Not even the Minotaurs are as dickish as these guys.

Also, is the helmet stripe part of their color scheme, or no?

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>>49614280
I like this idea, but how long have they been around? Are they still young or have they REALLY defied the odds? Also, how has their cult evolved? Sure they're still assholes but how have they changed?

>>49614303
No, I say they still see themselves as loyal maybe even selfishly as the best since they have managed to survive so long without support really

>>49614305
I also unironically like them, but we wanna make them more interesting while maintaining their status as massive dick heads, and no its for rank denotation as a sergeant

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>>49614303
>We're jerks but not Evil jerks, you retard!
>Now gimme that bolter, and the lunch you had your serfs make for you!

>>49614303
They have perfect regard for human life: just not humans who are in their line of fire. They won't cross the street to murder a random civilian, but their combat doctrine has a lot in common with Russian anti-terrorist practices. "The hostages are dead anyway, might as well just blow up the whole building."

>>49614333
Well they've been around since M32

>>49614394
Fuck they have been around awhile despite being universally disliked or hated

We are some tough bastards give em that. Also, quick question... are we at chapter strenght? The most we've ever seen is two companies and they don't exactly get supported well... also how exactly did we piss off the mechanicus?

>>49614457
I imagine below full strength. I'd guess they abduct massive amounts of Imperial citizens and just have them kill each other until they get their rocks off, then turn who's left into marines.

They do this on a MASSIVE scale, with no real regard as to whether or not they genuinely believe the people will make good marines. As long as they take their lumps in the fight-pit and don't die during the surgery - they're in.

>>49614457
>how did we piss off the mechanics?
Grotesque misuse and disregard for the wellbeing of holy relics and other shit like that. Look, if they don't want you to set off a chain of void grenades directly under the necron front line, then they should have said something when we were burying them, not just screeched that damn binary shit.

>>49614551
I like it, but lets not get them that close to Chaos. They don't murder cause it 'gets their rocks off' they just have utter disdain for anyone they consder weak, even members of their own chapter.

The Pit is to make sure that the weak can't become Marines, for they do not even deserve life let alone the honour of joining their number

>>49614589
Makes sense. I be we don't have many Tech marines and the ones we do have are complete assholes to the mechanicus, probably big on minor tech heresies

>>49614589
FUCKIN' - bolter jammed! Emperor damnit, fuc-
>WHAP WHAP!
WORK, PIECE OF SHIT!

Now, for a big question. Aside from the inncreased aggresion, why do we despise weakness so? Where did this come from? I legitimately think we are the only chapter that sees the dead, even our own dead, as weak, as failures universally. Why is that?

>>49614910
Massive inferiority complex. We have to belittle everyone else to make ourselves feel better, and we despise our own dead because the fact that they died pokes holes in our self esteem.

>>49614993
I think it goes a bit deeper, like think for a moment, if we go with >>49614209, which I think we totally should, we are literally failures from birth. That's gotta fuck with you. Perhaps we've become obseessed with strength and victory, beleiving that failure, death and even injury as signs of weakness to be shunned and disdained rather than honoured or remembered.

We have bee trying to make up for the failure we commited before our very birth, and now commit atrocities to cover up our ultimate shame.

That we have already failed, before we even had a chance

>>49614391
this sounds good might explain why they shelled that camp

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>>49615431
I agree, it makes their rampant murdering make sense and remain loyal rather than get all weird and chaos like.

SO, are we going with them being a fleet based chapter based off of >>49614551 and >>49614650?

Certainly makes sense to me

>>49615524
Yea I think these guys would have want to be mobile because they probably wouldn't be welcome for too long.

Also I think pragmatism should be a factor in how they do things they've been around long enough they might have come to the realization" This galaxy is dangerous and we'll never know what we might face so we need to use what's necessary to win" but they don't go down the chaos slope.

>>49615608
Exactly, they may have become a bit cruel or callous along the way, but int the end everything they do is still to support either the Imperium or themselves.

So, are we going to be the only chapter with skill in artillery since we use whirlwinds? What else could oour chapter speciality be?How would we make Artillery a big part of our chapter if we roll with it?

>>49615639
They're pragmatic, but they also CONSTANTLY need to prove how much better they are than everyone else. So they need to stay mobile so they don't get their asses kicked in one place.

I think specialty should be artillery for sure. If we were less concerned for our own hides we'd be CQC, but since we don't like risking our own necks and have no regard for our allies we'll just shell everything to rubble.

Also, an interesting quuuestion, how do we view Dreadnoughts? They are Marines who were to greviously injured to carry on, but too stubborn to die. Seeing as both injury and death are seen as weakness, do we consider our dreadnoughts differently from other chapters? What do we call them, if anything different?

>>49615704
i imagine dreadnaught marines actually arn't hated since they are literally the representation of what the chapter itself stands for, being stubborn as shit and refusing to die. i imagine dreads are actually revered because the successfully escaped being failures and are an inspiration to the rest of them as to how to git gud if you get fucked.

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I just got an idea but it's full on tinfoil hat.
>yellow/black hazard stripes
>Makes use of whirlwinds despite being under equipped and fleet based
>Callous disregard for human life
>Focused only on an efficient victory

Could the Marine Malevolent be Iron Warriors/from IW geneseed? Not in the sense of the autistic weapon smith Iron Warriors but the guys in the trenches for years only to be packed up and shipped to the next siege Iron Warriors.

>>49615735
WOrkss for me, perhaps venerated even more than other chapters revere their dreads.

>>49615692
So, we obviously like whirlwinds, and anything that could pulverize buildings into Rubble. Nice. What named characters should we have aside from Captain Vinyar?

what's their backup if the artillery fails them

>>49615789
overwhelming firepower at mid to close range. If the enemy hides amongst the rubble, root him out and finish the job, show them why they are the weak

>>49615754
Sorry about the name, in another thread Iwas, forgot to change back

>>49615750
Maaaaayyybbeeeee. We could do it, but Ihonestly think its better leaving their progenitor in the shadows. Thread?

>>49615754
What if dreadnoughts are not just respected, but somewhat feared? Because ending up in a dreadnought implied that the Marines COULDN'T leave their battle-brother for dead when he was felled.

>bolter trained on squad
>you're going to drag me back to the apothecary, or so help me I'll put a bullet in every last one of you

>>49615948
Thats actually pretty good. For one reason or another those interred in dreadnought were not left to die, implying their squad mates feared their strength more than the enemies. The most hardass of hardasses are the only ones scary enough to get interred. Males Malevolent dreads all the more scary.

By the way, what should our war cry be?

>>49615845
sounds good

>>49616022
"Fear us, weaklings"? Or something similar?

I kinda want them to be RT-era space marines: all of them drawn from prisons and punitive regiments, the kind of marines who write "born 2 kill" and "eat plasma" on their armors and collect earlobes.

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I know in-lore they're supposed to be like mustard-yellow and black, but I really like some paint schemes I've seen of them where it's like a pure yellow and black. It just looks so stark and eye watering. It kind of reminds me of the same yellow you'd see on specialist gym clothes, highlighters, or safety equipment.

>>49616185
They usually have Corvus armors so that works

>>49615750
Also have you checked out their names?
>Vinyar
>Lorkar
>Nemiok
That sounds a lot like IW names.

wouldn't be surprising if the chapter's founders were loyalist IWs (if such a thing exists).

>>49616394
Anon, most of the famous IW characters are loyalists.

Kyr Vhalen, Dantioch, Mole Man[/spoiler] not actually his name, as he doesn't have one, but he explodes all his base when everyone but him is dead, and survives thanks to his terminator armor.[/spoiler], Auric Saxton, and a few others, iirc.

Heck, Dantioch founded the Silver Skulls. Or something like that. It's either his geneseed, or his men who founded the chapter, as he died before the Codex was written, though was good friends with Guilliman.

>>49616423
Shoot, I'm tired and can't into spoilers.

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>>49616394
Being descended from Loyalist IW or at least IW Gene seed sounds fine to me, however I obviously think the Malevolent shouldn't know that

>>49616185
It would make sense for them to recruit from massive prisons on worlds they visit. Maybe even squad structure is sort of gang like? We obviously shouldn't go too far but it sounds fine to me as long as we don't go overboard witht he prison culture

Also, seeing as we decided they are currently under chapter strength, how far under? Are they at half a chapter? Three fourths? Are they an endangered chapter?

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>>49614209
>a test chapter to increase aggression
Problem is that it brings up the question of why the Imperium would try that a second time.

>>49616461
They're hardasses for sure, and I think some of their prison-recruitment culture will show through, but not TOO much because they wouldn't want to be seen as "low-grade scum".

They'd keep the parts of gang culture that are scary and intimidating, while removing the more pointless aspects.

Also I think the chapter should make heavy use of devastators, to mark their propensity for wanton destruction and longer-range firepower, as well as to show off how many new marines they burn through at any given time.

>>49616524
They did it several times, they just want to find one that works.

>>49616531
Yea, I'm a bit to middle class to know the more initimidating parts of gang culture, so who can help me out wiht this?

And lots of devastators makes sense yea, especially with their focus on Artillery and general devastation

>>49616517
3/4 they are pragmatic so they know they cant let the numbers drop to low
>>49616524
that wasn't a test of the combat effectiveness of aggression that was angron being a rageaholic

>>49616595
>>49616531
I dunno I mostly just think it'd be fitting for them to write crude threats in low-gothic on their armors.

>>49616631
That certainly works

>>49616624
3/4 it is

NOW, anyone have ideas for named characters, relics, writefagging or anything else? Lets keep the fluff rolling

>>49616672
Going by the names we got, we need kinda guttural names with "r" in them.
Like, Mariek, Konnar, Alganord...

This is a good thread. I love fleshing out chapters in need of a fleshing out.

The Marines Malevolent only ever send those they think aren't mean enough to the Deathwatch. So everyone in the Deathwatch expects the guy to be anhuge dick, when in reality he's almost as nice as a Salamander, if not as nice. Only reason he's there is because they couldn't just send him on a suicide mission.

>>49616735
maybe 'nearly as nice as a salamander is a bit much. I mean, your surounded by assholes, proably from prison, and your first trial was a fight to the death.

But, certainly not as assholey as the rest of the Malevolent I suppose.

>>49616708
I like Konnar, who was Konnar thread? What Kind of Marine was he? What rank?

>>49616767
Konnar was an Assault Marine sergeant and he like his chainsword he did. He was a simple man who knew his purpose in life. To look out for his own hide, following that, his brother's hides, and to slay xeno and traitor scum.

>>49616767
He can be the chapter master.
It's a pun. Konnar sounds like "Connard" which is French for "asshole" (like, a person, not the body part).
Which reminds me there's a canon MM named "Rennard" so you could take the pun a step further and spell "Konnard" instead

>>49616794
>>49616797
Between these I think its good to establish chapter master? We can use the Assault Marine idea for another character.

So, Konnard is the Chapter Master. Whats he done? What's he like? (Other than King douchebag)

What we started with in lore
>they have outdated gear
>they're assholes
>they're an old chapter
>klingon promotions

What we added so far
>they're the abortion-survivor of chapters
>massive inferiority-superiority complex
>devastators
>artillery and bombardment
>fight pits
>RT punk-ass beakies
>massive mortality rates at all levels

>>49616870
Well he's bald, half his face is a scarred mess, he's got a big chainsword called Ultima Ratio, and he likes making examples.

>>49616870
Rumored to have assassinated the previous chapter master by sabotaging his grenades?

>>49616875

Do these guys even bother with scouts? If they make heavy use of artillary they need people to spot for them or just get the IG to do it and shell them and everyone around them.

Also, going with the gang theme aside from scripts and "purity seals" with high gothic versions of suck dick and fuck you maybe they have elaborate prison style tattoos? A crossed tear for killing the old seargent and taking his place? Russian gang tattoos would be an interesting thing to use for them.

>>49616958
Nah. He's a dick, but he's a dick to anyone who's not a part of the gang, ya dig?

>>49616967
They just have one marine climb nearby tree or hill, see general area where enemies are and shell fuck out of it.

>>49616934
Well good start, certainly sound like a complete dick. However, he can't make too many examples of his brothers lest their pragmatism go to far towards cruelty.

Bet he kills a shit ton of recruits tho

>>49616958
I like that alot, low cunnning mixed with pragmatism and cruelty

>>49616967
I think They don't have scouts. I say there's the pit fight, then they are literally jumped in by their new brothers, who basically break all their bones befor turning them into marines. It ;l;ets them have high recruitment speed and high mortality rates/

>>49616978
Gangs aren't always happy. What if the Chap mast was considered a softy traitor, and Konnar did what the rest of the first company or whatever wanted?

>>49616967
>high gothic
no, Low Gothic.
Judging from their canon names, they don't even bother to give their recruits a High Gothic name like codex-compliant chapters do.
>tats
yeah, RT marines had that sort of shit.
but it's not like they expose their bodies all the time so keep it subtle.

>>49616978
Or he's just an oppourtunistic dick, evenn among the Marines MAlevolents standards

>>49616967
The fluff makes it pretty clear that they don't believe in surgical strikes.

Send a couple of servo-skulls, roughly triangulate the coordinates of the bad guys, and apply overwhelming firepower; It's like when you're in middle school and you gotta glue a sheet into your notebooks: you do the edges first, and then you just scribble in the middle with your glue stick.

>>49617012

The tats arn't for anyone else, fuck their shit right? Your tats are your badge of office and power amongst the other marines.

Also, who else is in their ranks? Do they have Chaplains? Librarians? Tech Marines?

>>49617060
The canon says they hate librarians.
Black Templars don't have librarians so it's not like they need to have some.

>>49617060
I'd say they have all the standard specialists, but they're... different.

Tech marines are probably border hereteks. Get real rough witht he tech to keep it running and irreverent, bullying the machine spirits into working.

Chaplains should be like, enforcers. Big,, mean dudes even by their stadards who keep guys in line, dole out lumps and fuck shit up. Plus, they give the tats.

Librarians... any ideas for them guys? I think we could get interesting but Idon't know how

>>49617089
Probably don't have librarians, too inefficient and they all fall to chaos far too easily given the Marine's culture and tactics.

>>49617089
>>49617082
Marines Malevolent fucking hate their Librarians.

More than likely out of some kind of jealousy because they have an objective tactical advantage Marines Malevolent 'normies' can't quite match, and the chapter is big on just utter dominating strength. Librarians are viewed with equal parts suspicion and fear, not because they're psykers but because of what being a psyker means in practical terms.

>>49617189
>>49617195
SO, lets have a quick vote.

Do we have librarians or no?

canon: one of their main attack ships is called the Purgatory

>>49617232
Sounds like we are hitting things right on the nose thread

>>49617219
I say no
they only need navigators and astropaths, and those are easier to keep in check.

>>49617219
I'd say they do have Librarians. They don't hate them though, they just think that theirs are better than all others because they are Marines Malevolent, and all others aren't. Therefore they suck.

Plus, Librarians are your go-to guys when dealing with matters of Chaos and Corruption. They're a pragmatic chapter and know that you need these guys for that sort of stuff.

>>49617254
>you need these guys for that sort of stuff.
the black templars disagree

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>>49613698
I like the Marines Malevolent but only because a chapter full of bullies brings me one step closer to a chapter full of Bancho Delinquents

>>49617268
The Black Templars were founded by an autist with a sword fetish that Dorn himself disowned for being cowardly.

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>>49617268
>Black Templars don't like Librarians

A-anon I...

I'm... i'm not sure how to tell you...

what they did...

>>49617279
What are you telling me? Surely not?

>>49617274
That's what the Sons of Horus are. They're the "80s asshole barbarian/punk" legion, which includes banchou.

>>49617328
I bet you didn't even know that they've never had more than 1300 men at their highest.

No, I am not lying.

No, this is not an in-universe lie.

Yes, this is a retcon.

>>49617354
>>49617328
BT's were retconned last edition to be just barely above chapter strength, codex compliant, and they field librarians

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>>49617367
>>49617354

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>>49617367

Soooooooooooooo Librarians or no?

>>49617415
stop typing like a tumblr slut

>>49617415
Yes.

>>49617415
Yes Librarians.

>>49617439
>>49617454
>>49617254
Sound sLike Librarians are in. Lets decide how they are different from other Chapters Librarians, if they are different

>>49617484
>fucking hated and feared
>"Dude's a psyker, he could turn us inside-out if he wanted to"
>"Dude instagib'd an Ork Warboss"
>"Fucker's probably got daemons in his head we don't know about"
>"Least he's on our side"

>>49617484
Also, OP's put for the night. keep the thread alive, be back in a few hours

>>49617484
Instant boss position. He's above the normie marines, so he's auto-respected. Got that mind-fire and lighting, man! That stuff's scary.

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>>49617367
This is from the Codex: Ultramarines supplement, which is from 1995 I believe. Not sure off the top of my head when they were first described as over strength, but their current status is hardly new.

>>49617497
this is reasonable, i also imagine theirs are actually more stable then the average librarian as well since they probably bully the shit out of any demon that even attempts to try possessing them.

>>49617533
Only Librarians more stable than theirs are the Exorcists and the Grey Knights.

Exorcists because they can't be posessed, and Grey Knights because they can't be possesed.

>>49613779
Angry Marin-
Wait

>>49618018
piss off

I think we're missing thw point here.

Marines Malevolent are not bullies, nor they are pragmatists.
They are petty, scornful, self absorbed.
They don't do the things they doto puss off others or to vex the weaker. They don't see anything wrong in what they do, and are incapable to understand why other people get pissed at them. They do nothing wrong, so it's the others who must be at fault!

If anything, they are an entire chapter made of virtualoptim clones

>>49617367
Nah, you're a faggot. They don't field librarians and the only psykers they respect are astropaths, which makes sense since these are humans who have literally stood within the light of the God-Emperor, something no living Black Templar has ever done. All other psykers, including other chapter's librarians, do not warrant that respect.

>>49617484
theyre useful as more mobile artillery forces

>>49619197
Can they not be all these things though?

I don't see why we can't be petty and scornful whille still being Pragmatic and bullies, all these things go hand in hand. Our chapter master is a vicious fuck who enjoys making examples and killed the Last chapter master.

>>49619377
>>49617497
>>49617533
>>49617592
Sounds good too me!

Alright, whats next? We need a named Dreadnought character me thinks, and we need some important events

>>49613698
>The MArines Malevolent, a Chapter of acidic asshats who giggle at the word genocide... ir so we've been led to believe.

Only by memers.
They fired on a refugee camp that was over run by Orks in order to kill the Orks.
These people are pragmatists, callous maybe, but not edgy for no reason.
Keep them as they are.

>>49619863
We aren't changing them we are just adding fluff. We are expanding on why they are pragmatists.

Although there are other examples of them being rather callous at least

>>49613698
>>Bombed a refugee camp because Orks were in the perimeter on Armaggedon>Two companies we have met have been complete assholes, disdaining any sign of weakness including the dead and wounded>Have a feud with the Salamanders for obvious reasons>Have outdated gear, using largely Corvus pattern armour and outdated bolters as well>desperate enough to plunder a derelict Forge ship>One named character- Captain Vinyar(Lord douche)

With exception of the poor gear stuff these guys sound just like Iron Hands. Why are they dickish compared to them? At least these guys have some character...

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>>49616524
They're trying to find the right mix between RIP N TEAR and LOYALTY

>>49613698
>Marines Malevolent
>Completely Ruthless
>Hate any and all forms of weakness
>Have a feud with Salamanders
>Outdated equipment

They're loyalist Word Bearers
Knowing that their chapter had caused the horus heresy, they refuse to give in to any kind of weakness but still harbor an immense hatred for anything they deem as lesser

Like extremist word bearers without the religion
Shunning all of their previous tactics
Rather than attempting to convert planets into the Imperium's fold, they learned from their mistakes
Now their only tactic is complete ruthless warfare

Due to their ties with a traitor legion, many within the Imperium that know of their origins, refuse to lend them any kind of aid

Their feud with the Salamanders continuest

>>49619962
Well far one they aren't reallybig on cybernetics, and the modern iron hands have sort of been de clawed.

Other than that why do you think we gave this thread? We are trying to expand on them

>>49620038
Iron Hands may be social darwinists but they still preserve the bonds of Brotherhood within their own chapter - they're just cold and calculating.

Marines Malevolent START and cold and calculating, and go down into firey hatred. Cybernetics and dreadnoughts are reserved for those marines who can make it back to the apothecary in the first place, and are too terrifying to have their brothers leave them for dead.

>>49620081
Yea, only the toughest, meanest and most vicious marines get dreads or cybernetics. To tough to die and too mean to leave for dead. All dreads would be crazy hard asses, one of the most feared parts of the Marines Malevolent.

They were bad enough to get a chapter who bombs refugee camps to drag their crippled ass back to be interred. They requires one hell of a reputation

>>49620026
There are no loyalist Word Bearers, anon. Lorgar purged all of them within 80 years before the Horus Heresy, iirc.

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>>49620168
Even though they have shitty gear (for the most part, Corvus armor is pretty nifty) I think their chapter should have at least one guy in a Leviathan dread. Their Godzilla Threshold warrior.

>>49620633
I love it! Lets give him a name and story!

Ideas?

>>49620824
How about First/Second Captain Hinnom?

>>49615692
I dunno, one murdered a Black Templar in an honor duel that he instigated and stole his wargear (Bitter Salvage).

They evidently are good at CQC.

Guys, you do know the MM had dudes accidentally put on Chaos armour, which stuck to them, and then Captain Vinyar sent them with the Chaos Marines who attacked Nocturne, right?

>>49613779
the MM's are the MM's. they let you know exactly what you are dealing with when you first hear their name.

>>49614156
the lementers is a pretty good comparasion actually; they don't let who they are stop them from kicking ass!

>>49614333
they might be as old as 2nd founding!

>>49614352
>>We're jerks but not Evil jerks, you retard!
>>Now gimme that bolter, and the lunch you had your serfs make for you!

you keep what you can kill . If you can't then it was never really yours to begin with

>>49615750
IW or IH, both are fairly pragmatic and both have done horrible things in the name of efficiency

I also always thought they had whirlwinds not because they prefer them but that it's all the have
I mean whirlwinds are just a quick mechanic job away form being rhinos and predators right? so that makes it a fairly pragmatic vehicle.

>>49620633
do we know if they have anything that can maintain a dreadnought? let alone a relic?

>>49621433
Realistically - probably not, but the Leviathan is too much of a walking ragemonster to not have at least one in the MM stockpiles. It's too cool to pass up.

>>49621411
Keep what you kill should definitely be a part of their regular lexicon from hereon.

I'm going to draft up some fluff for the Leviathan dread, if nobody wants to really contest it.

>>49621471
Awesome fluff it up! I honestly think having one relic that all their tech marines and such constantly maintain isn't to far fetched.

Also, sense we have librarians amd ours are some mean mother fuckers, do we want librarian dreads? Or is that a BA and successors only deal?

>>49621411
Keep what you kill, no doubt in the philosophy

Also as for the whirlwinds, maybe we started put with less rhinos and razorbacks and such so we have more and therefore have long since tailored our tactics to use them? It makes sense, plus not much is better for pounding shit into rubble from long range

>>49621884
That's BA only, oddly enough. Probably some fluff reason I dunno about.

>>49621884
I would scoff at the idea of Librarian Dreads on top of our existing relic Leviathan, but honestly we've established already that what few Librarians the chapter has are some of the meanest bastards around, not to mention they could mind-fuck their allies into putting them in a dreadnought rather than leaving them for dead.

The only problem is: does anyone but the Blood Angels actually have the schematics for Librarian Dreads?

Also I'll put forward a reminder that although we're a long-range focused chapter, our Assault Marines are still nothing to be scoffed at. They have all the fury of deranged prisoners, and none of the honor of a usual marine. They'll put an axe in you when your back is turned, and then curb stomp your corpse to drive the point home, they don't give a fuck.

>>49616624
>that wasn't a test of the combat effectiveness of aggression
Weren't the War Hounds already highly aggressive even before Angron and the Nails showed up?

>>49621884
>Venerable Leviathan Gai Hinnom, “The Great Black Beast”, former 2nd Captain of the Marines Malevolent

>Gai Hinnom hailed from the prison planet of Castralis, an arid world of craggy land and salt seas, where massive prison-hives held the workers who slaved away mining the planet as penance for their sins. Hinnom was a Warden, a unique rank given to those prisoners who—through a mix of strength, cunning, and piousness—were given permission by the Planetary Governor to lord over their respective hive and keep the other prisoners in line through the use of their gang.

>When Orks attacked Castralis no help came from the Imperium. The prison-hives were besieged, and fell one by one. One of the last ones left standing was that ruled over by Warden Hinnom, who slaughtered the greenskins with artillery installments, makeshift melee weapons, and waves upon waves of worthless prisoners.

>When all seemed lost, help arrived in the form of a Marines Malevolent battle-barge. The orks were wiped out through the remorseless pincer assault, though with great casualties—largely for the prisoners.

>Seeing themselves as owed, due to their help, the Marines Malevolent set about looting all that they could from the fallen hives, and conscripting droves of the surviving prisoners, much to the Governor’s ire. Though the Governor tried to keep Hinnom as a retainer for his skill, the Warden actually approached a Marines Malevolent sergeant and demanded to be admitted into the chapter. He received a punch in the gut, breaking several ribs and bruising several organs—though Gai survived, an omen of his career to come. All are guilty in the eyes of the Marines Malevolent, and Hinnom would have to pay for that guilt in blood.

>>49622054
>>49622035
Yeaa, BAngeels are the only ones with the schematics so no Librarian dreads

>>49622559
>After surviving and thriving in the Fight Pits, and completing his surgeries (a miracle, seeing as he was above the usual age of Astartes aspirants), Hinnom would forge himself a bloody legacy. By bolter, blade, and heavy weapon he butchered droves of the Chapter’s foes with shrewd viciousness. After the Slaughter of Kyne—where Hinnom used the cunning tactic of ordering the local Guard into positions that would serve as distractions for the attacking Tyranids, allowing for more focused artillery barrages from the chapter—he was promoted to Captain of the Second Company.

>He was unique among the marines in that although he kept to the tradition of caring nothing for his men—throwing them at the enemy with spite—he was always at the front lines with them. Many times the Captain received wounds that would have killed lesser men, but always he recovered. The moniker “Captain Scarface” became popular at this time for the grotesque injuries he accumulated.

>However, Hinnom’s success attracted much jealousy, and it would be his undoing. At the Ravaging of Forgeworld Haephon, Hinnom was left trapped by his lieutenants inside a manufactorum full of savage orks. Though—against all odds—the Captain slaughtered the green tide, he was left in a sorry state. Cursing bitter vengeance against his subordinates, and threatening to call down a bombardment upon their very position with his dying breath, he was interred within a Leviathan dreadnought scavenged from the Haephon armory—a tribute to his legacy as an unkillable butcher.

>Now Hinnom is only ever awakened in times of dire need by the chapter, for fear of his endless wrath, made only worse by the aggression-increasing neuro-links of the Leviathan. To unleash Venerable Hinnom is to unleash a very localized and personal Exterminatus.

>>49613698
Sound like World Eaters to me

>>49622633
Not really. The world eaters murder cause bloodyou showers help them get their rocks off

The marines malevolent just don't give a single fuck. They are callous and pragmatic and cruel not because they intend to be, but because they simply do not care about any they deem weak or beneath them.

>>49622559
>>49622583
Nice fluff anon! Love it, Title is good too

What's next thread?llc let's get some important events and campaigns figured out, flesh out our long history since M32

>>49624388
Be sure to link to next thread if one is made. Which I hope it is.

>>49625665
Oh yea I'll make a new thread. But let's reach bump limit or close to it on this one first

>>49626297
What more do we need to go into? We have motivation, some background fluff, a new special character, combat preferences...

What more can we add?? I've never cared more about the stupidest chapter in the 41st millennium.

>>49626510
Well we have write fag if anyone is up for it, and we can work out some major events and campaigns for a chapter time line. We can figure put just how many Imperium forces we've pissed off,and such, we have many possibilities

>Siege of Hive Traxis

The Hive world of Kreesus V rebelled in 438 M.36, claiming the Imperium no longer deserved their support. The World, partially controlled by the Mechanicus, was halved in alleignace to either the Loyal Mechanicus forces or the rebellious governor. The Mechanicus forces managed to get out a distress signal to any Imperial forces close enough to render aid.

The Marines Malevolent fourth company answered.

Led by Captain Railar, the Company warped into the system and immediately took control of the loyalist forces.Despite his insistence on orbitaal bombardment of rebell hives Mechanicus forces forbade it expressly, and begrudgingly he accepted this.

Instead he made extensive use of terrestrial artillery, destroying every vital installation held by the enemy and grinding defensive lines to dust with overwhelming force. Eventually, only the capitol Hive of Traxis was still in rebel hands.

Miraculously Captain Railar was able to take the outer walls in a matter of days by having mechanicus forces disable the walls many defense batteries. Unfourtanetly, the capital was built to withstaand.

It was a mze, designed by some insane Mechanicus Magos long ago. The streets were nigh impenetrable, and as the city had many vaults of ancient technlogy beneath he was forbidden from using his own artillery as well. But the Captain would not be deterred.

He ordered all Techpriests, engineseers and his own three Tech marines to restore and reactivate the massive defensive batteries along the wall, convincing the mechanicus he would simply starve the city.

This was a blatant lie

>>49627601
>Cont.

It took them only three days, a feat that, at the time, the planets Magos claimed was some sort of miracle performed by the Marines Tech priests. The next day, once all batteries were prepared Captain Railar shocked the Mechanicus. He turned the cities defensive canonns in on itself.

Orbital canonns meant to destroy starships pounded great towers into dust, AA Batteries made to destroy thunderhawks and even small capital ships craked Housing blocks and streets. For 10 Hours the Captain shelled the Hive, when the enemies surrender was finally received... Long after the rebel leaders had been killed inside the Capital tower. OVer three fourths of the population had been extreminated over the coourse of the war, and once it was over the Marines were gone before the Mechanicus could stop them... but not without their own prize.

It was later discovered not only had a number of artifacts dissapeared from the mechanicus vaults that had been cracked open by the shelling, but it came to light the Marines tech priests had accomplished their 'miracle' by defacing, disrespecting, bullying and coercing the canonns holy machine spirits quite barbarically.

All three were stripped of rank by the Mechanicus and ordered to return to mars for sentencing.

If these demands were ever received by the Marines Malevolent, then they have been ignored for not even one of the three has arrived on mars.

>>49627706
HA. Joke's on them, Mechmonkeys

>>49627706
too extreme. such a stained relation with the mechanicus would mean the MM are incapable of training more techmarines

>>49628061
Well we can of coourse find a way to tone it down... but is it possible for Tech marines to train other techmarines? Just wondering if that ever been mentioned in fluff cause that would make since for them

>>49627601
>>49627706
Would not work. You can't really force the machine spirits to do anything. They'd just break or refuse to work, then good fucking luck if you needed them so bad.

I see them more on the like, using civilian evaquation checkpoints to calculate the artillery range

>>49628106
Techmarines only show the basis tho those battle brothers who show promise. To become a techmarine, a marine must travel to mars and complete his training there.
Every chapter does this, even heavily non codex-compliant chapters like BT and SW

>>49615750
>Could the [Loyal Chapter] be [Traitor Legion/from Traitor Legion] geneseed

YAWN

I'm so sick of this meme.

>>49628108
>>49628139
Well I don't claim to have in depth knowledge of the mechanicus. Please, edit as may be required

>>49628149
We have not decided on anything really, personally I just want to leave their progenitor unknown

>>49628149

People who think of them are always morons, too.

Bumpin

We need to make a Chapter Master. I made the Leviathan, and I'm content with that being my contribution to special characters, but we NEED a Chapter Master.

>>49630926
see
>>49616870
>>49616934
>>49616958

>>49630936
Yeah but let's get something deeper. Write a lil' faggotry.

Do you think they use baneblades or other non standard vehicles? I don't see them minding some practical super-heavy weaponry

>>49631297
I could see it but they probably don't have too many.

Or we could say they have more non standard models, but less Rhinos and predators and such

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>>49613698

>>49615750
>Could the Marine Malevolent be Iron Warriors/from IW geneseed?
Fuck, until this thread I thought that this Perturabo geneseed was canon.

>>49632549
Or they could have commited heresy to mod their existing vehicles

>>49616461
>recruit from massive prisons on worlds they visit.
Worked for the Sardaukar.
>When in close-quarter, hand-to-hand combat, if they found themselves surrounded they would group into threes and adopt a fighting stance with their backs to each other. They would carry weapons on their person that would be ingeniously concealed, such as shigawire in their hair or a fake toe or two inserted with small stabbing weapons.
You could adopt this as a reflection of their prison culture. Oddly for a chapter lacking equipment, they have digital weapons and other easily concealable equipment.

>>49616967
Wouldn't guys like that have shady deals with rogue traders, exchanging escorts and guards for equipment?

Unrelated, would it be cool for a space gulag system based on remote comets where they dump lots of criminals and pick up what's left some years/decades later?

>>49616524
You know nothing of human history? Humanity makes the same mistakes OVER and OVER again. We never fucking learn.

The actual question is why a government as bloated and fucked up as the Imperium isn't trying to do this every other week?

>>49622583
No. Don't like it. Get rid of the Tyranids reference. They are too late of a threat in the timelines to fit with the MMs having a relic dreadnought available for use. You need to put him in the dreadnought no later then 33rd millennium. Otherwise the idea that they have this relic just sitting around waiting for him becomes more Matt Ward level of writing. And say nothing about it being used over and over again. If it was damaged that often, with the hate the MMs inspire in the Mechanicum, they would have had to scrap it long ago. No, have him be the oldest and the last of that type of dread and have him going into other dread bays and ripping the dreads apart to get his repair parts. Hell, I would even give him some lesser stats and perhaps a salvaged weapon or two from other dread types. Things he has demanded when he lost some component or another.

Also the 33rd millennia might be long enough ago that the late age thing isn't so glaringly mary sue; as technology was a little better back then.

Other then those, it is decent and will work.

>>49635609
Good idea, what should we replace nids with?

>>49637126
More Orks. I tried to use Tyranids because I wanted to break up my "horde" enemies, but in doing so forgot how new to the scene the Nids are.

>>49615750
>Could the Marine Malevolent be Iron Warriors/from IW geneseed?

If we take into consideration how the IWs treated others even before the Horus Heresy, then the probability of them being IWs successors is not far from it.

At least they have this possibility.

>>49617274
Problem is a Bancho is supposed to a samurai version of a normal delinquent. And not all are assholes.

>>49615061
>We have been trying to make up for the failure we committed before our very birth, and now commit atrocities to cover up our ultimate shame.

So they're Catholic?

>>49639339
With the manners of Protestants.

HEYO!

>>49638978
>everyone who is an asshole to other people is an IW

Fuck you, that's retarded, and you're retarded, go fucking kill yourself. Oh wait, does that make me have IW geneseed too? Fucking dumbass motherfucker.

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>The MArines Malevolent
>MA

Seeing this in the catalog is more enraging than any typo

>>49641737
I'm Iron Warriors fan and I like the idea of the Marines Malevolent being IW descendants. Stuff like shelling a refugee camp that is is being attacked with orks makes sense and sounds like something that less noble IW's would do under similar circumstances. Also that color scheme with black and yellow hazard stripes is too convenient to ignore.

Bumps

>>49643129
Well enjoy your headcanon all you want, I won't take that away from you, but we're keeping the MMs progenor up in the air permanently.

>>49646018
Just the placing of victory over civilian lives and hazard stripes make me think they're IW descendants.

>>49646100
And it totally could be that they are. But we're leaving it up in the air because realistically we'd have no way of knowing.

>>49646337
This is correct. We are keeping progenitor unknown, cause it's easier and limits us far less, plus it really does not matter with the MM

>>49621405

I desire to know more good ser.

>>49614391
"What hostages?"

t. Spetsnaz

>>49620412
>>You haven't read ,,Unremebered Empire"
Also there was one left behind on earth.