"Just because I wear black armor, use necromancy and have

>>49599872
necromancy hurts people, so fuck you

>>49599872
I HAVE ZERO GF'S AND YOU HAVE A HAREM?!

EEEEEVIIIIIIIIIIIL

>>49599872
>I am not hurting anyone!
I suppose your vampire harem is somehow totally vegan?

>>49599872
I assume you're feeding the vampires without hurting anyone.

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>>49599872
>Necromancy
>Bad

You silly willies!

>>49599940
Goblins aren't people Anon.

>>49599901
Dead bodies can be collected without harming anyone. Their bodies are being recycled into basically golem servants.

>>49599901

Depends on the setting, senpai.

>>49599965
The vamps could be feeding on the succubi somehow.

>>49599978
Stigmata in the wrong place/10

>>49599872
"...I suppose you're technically right. Carry on, citizen, but we'll be keeping an eye on you. I don't appreciate being called out on noise complaints this early in the morning. "

>>49600009
"Sorry about that. The gals were just getting rowdy. Good day officer."

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>>49599965
you could take blood without killing them and just heal em after like Order of the Stick did

>>49599940
>>49599965
What about criminals? Every kingdom has criminals.

Surely getting exsanguinated by a qt vampire girl is a more human manner of execution than hanging.

>>49599978
>True resurrection is necromancy

>>49600138
What if the criminal is a fag or a straight woman? Then you're basically raping them as they die, and that's super evil.

>>49600138
>>49600244
Do they need blood from people? Just use goblins or cows.

>>49599979
Wait, what criteria are you using here to determine which kinds of humanoids are people and which aren't?

>>49600363
Is it really controversial to say that goblins aren't people?

Next thing you know, someone will say that Negroes should have the vote!

>>49600363
They are intelligent sure but have animalistic souls. Like dolphins or cats.

>>49599901
>that one greentext story where the one guy played a lich showing peasents how to use necromancy and skellingtons to make their life easier
>has his work undone by GM's other 4-player party that find a broken old man in place of an all-powerful icon of evil and undeath

Open your mind, m8

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>>49599872
Unfortunately intolerance exists in many forms.

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>actually, genuinely, sincerely, unironically debating rules as written
>not debating what purpose those rules are supposed to fulfill thematically and how they relate to and change gameplay
come on, /tg/, you can be better than this

>>49600415
Shit that was a good story. Do you have the screencap?

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>>49599872
Why yes, I too have visited your average book store today.
Although, I am playing a NG Necromancer currently. But that's not her fault and she's also a sorcerer so it's not like she studies this shit. She just gets the powers.

>>49600152
iirc it was technically in the Necromancy school in pre-3e, same with healing spells. 3,X made healing and revival Conjuration for some stupid reason, and IDK about post-3.X editions.

>>49600383
Thing is, have you ever seen a vampire eat up anyone that wasn't human?

If they won't settle for wild animal blood why should goblins be any better.

>>49599872
How do you feed your vampires?

>>49599872
>not hurting anyone
How would you know? It's not like you can see what's going on from beneath that helmet.

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>>49599872
Well, no harems or succubi, but I guess my backwoods adventurers do have black armor, necromancy, and a vampire friend who only gets by on the fact they reached golconda unwittingly.

>>49599872
not brutally murdering you and taking your stuff would hurt my bank balance and level progression scheme

>>49599940
i hate vegans

>>49599872
You're hurting the reputation of the necromantic community. So they paid us to kill you.

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>>49600969
god fucking dammit

>>49602786
With volunteers.

Some people get off on it.

Some of the best and kindest people i've ever met were clad in black leather and steel spikes. They also listened music that sent them into rage trances and made them fight among themselves, only to forget it hours later and laugh the anger away.

Just because your character looks and delves into traditionally evil things, doesn't mean he actually is. I'll let your actions from now on decide that.
As for the common folk, well, expect them to treat you with some revulsion and fear. You look, after all, very threatening.

If there is something i never understood, is common villagers trying to lynch evil or demonic looking PCs. Now, guards and all that? I get it, but farmers and civillians? At worst they would be as cooperative as possible so they don't get "cursed" and then call for the guards when the PC is gone. Do they believe they can take on a person who can cast "dark evil" magic?
Even if you go by the idea of the witch trials you have to admit a group of peasants would run away when said demonic looking character showed some magic ability

>>49600969
First of all, this never happened. Second of all, I'm so tired of this "Villains dindu nuffin, heroes are the real villains, and good is bigoted!" reddit-tier trope that I see all the time in writing prompts.

>>49603370
You got it wrong mate.

It is about perspective. The necromancer saw what he did as good, as did his followers.

The heroes, and those that were saved, also thought of these people as good.

Neither side was evil. It's like the terrorist/freedom fighter discussion. One side perceives them as evil and insane, while the other side views them as heroes.

Having your heroes be revered by everyone aside from the cackling, babyeating maniacs is piss poor writing. Nothing is this black and white, and having nuances is a lot better for almost any story.

>>49603475
>>49603370
autism

>>49600969
Pure drivel, no wonder you cretinous redditors gobble fake bullshit like that up without question

I shudder to imagine how many 90 IQ twits were captivated by this screencap and the made their groups suffer through a "totally unique and fresh" idea for a benevolent necromancer.

>>49603475
>Subverting the subverters.

Now the question is - are you being honest, or metatrolling yourself in the hopes of getting people to argue that we're not contrarian?

>>49603370
>that I see all the time in writing prompts.

Then don't use writing prompts, fag.

>>49603503
t. reddit. I'm sure you also vape and still wear your Bernie Sanders shirt.

>>49603370
I like to sort of pull a reversal on that as well, when I do light grey and dark grey settings.
>The heroes are the 'good guys', but they don't always make the best decisions and their vices often get the better of them
>The 'bad guys' have virtues and meaningful motivations as well, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be stopped
The idea that 'there is no good side' can be useful, but it honestly doesn't have much of a useful niche in adventurous fantasy where the point is to enjoy being a hero.

>>49603370
It's not about villains being the real heroes, it's about villains not waking up in the morning and deciding to be dickheads.

Having a villain who's just evil because reasons is shallow storytelling and it just invites further obvious questions that the GM can't easily answer and that ruin immersion; why does the lich want to rule the world again? Oh he just does? But why would he want to, he's a lich, the rulership of an entire world would just get in the way of the stuff he really wants to be doing.

The precon for 5e, hoard of the dragon queen/rise of Tiamet is this to a tee; why would cults want to summon dragons in the first place? Any one even slightly familiar with dragons knows this is a hugely bad idea for any other non-dragon sapient creatures.

>>49603486
yeah man, organisations like Al Qaeda, ISIS and the Taliban operate in such a morally grey area. Whose really to say that they're the bad guys. It's all so morally ambiguous. Maybe we're like the terrorists for overthrowing a confirmed genocidial authoritarian in Iraq, y'know?

>>49603503
Assblasted Redditor crying high fructose corn syrup tears right now

>>49603533
Yes, it is. Read the fucking greentext again - good boy necromancer literally dindu nuffin wrong and created an utopia, where his skeletons and zombies are doing all the work - and then evil bigoted heroes destroyed all of his beautiful work and recreated evil, opressive monarchies with dem evil judeochristian churches.
I absolutely despise stories like that. It's basic role reversal that's so unimaginative, even mainstream video games like Overlord did it - and it was bad even there.

This is why settings where necromancy actively harms the soul of the deceased or is otherwise inherently harmful are best, sidesteps this stupid contrarian nonsense entirely.

>>49603576
It's thinly veiled edgy Marxist shit

I'm serious, it's not even as crazy as it sounds. Just replace "automation" and "machinery" with "zombie", "corpse" and "necromancy".

Chapter 15 of Das Kapital to be specific.

How to fix necromancy in DnD:
All undead that are non-sentient now (skeletons, zombies) are fully aware of their state and exist in a state of eternal agony, but they are powerless to actually do anything but watch their bodies do whatever the necromancer commands them to.

>>49603740
>I command them to do what they want
>Then I ask for their help

>>49603762
> "I want to die. Every second of my existence feels like an eternity of torture, and I regret every single time I've wished to live forever."
Wat do?

>>49603740
No wonder Liches are so pissy.
>"Fuck, this was a terrible idea! How am I supposed to study when I burn with the pain of being a crime against reality? I can feel myself being torn between life and death all the fucking time! That shit hurts, man. But I can't even kill myself, so how the hell am I supposed to find someone who can kill me?"
>>49603762
>"Do what we want? I want to go back to the afterlife, man, that place is comfy as fuck."
>Crumbles to dust
On the bright side, that makes the possibility of a skeletal paladin summoned up for One Last Quest when everything's gone to shit and they can't find a cleric to pull a real Resurrection.
>"I will stay here a bit longer, summoner. But only since there is no-one left able to aid the forces of life. Otherwise, it is the duty of the living to carry their own burdens."
Could be breddy gud, but it would have to take place in a real Nobledark shithole of a world.

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>>49603774
>How can you die, you're already dead!

>>49603788
Nobledark would be the best place for this
>Forbidden ritual to bring forth a Paladin
>Dark magic fueling him where once holy magic was
>"Even in death, I still smite."

>>49603804
>"You're not commanding him?"
>"No. He's a powerful enough paladin that it would be useless to try, anyways. He could just dispel my casting as soon as I called on him, or even go so far as to defy and kill me for raising him as an undead."
>"So why does he allow it? It's torturous, isn't it? Traumatizing, even. And for such periods of time?"
>"Because it's the best chance I have of living long enough to find a way to restore the light, and we both know it."
>"And what of the darkness? Why does it allow a champion of light to return, with all of the horrible things going on?"
>"Perhaps it's being cruel, and wants to present us with hope before crushing us. But right now, hope, any hope, is the only thing keeping this world alive. Even if the 'hope' itself is undead."

>>49603576
Or you could see that it is only one side of the story : the necromancer's side.
See >>49600444

Maybe all those apprentices just went mad with power while their master was away spreading freedom, democracy and post-scarcity economy through necromancy.

Maybe necromancy had other, less savory aspects that the old man overlooked by ignorance ?
Ex : maybe animating an undead result in binding the previous soul to the body, using it as a battery through a very painful process ?

Anyway, the heroes confront the necromancer, who's about to die. They listen to the monologue, watch him die and then they shrug :
>That guy was completely nuts !!
They cut the head and bring it as proof of a deed well done.

>>49603547
IRA and England, a big cluster fuck with legitimate arguments for both sides.

>>49603576
Read the fucking greentext again.

Do you find out a single thing about the campaign the heroes were going through that isn't seen through the Necromancers view points?

It's entirely possible - even fucking likely - that shit really was fucked and that the heroes were legitimately doing the right thing and helping save people.

What we know:
1. The Necromancer didn't stay and directly over see any of the places where he taught necromancy to the populace in the belief that they'd use it for good.
2. The Necromancer is likely one in a long line of Necromancers/Liches who may actually all be getting confused for a single long-lived Arch Liche.
3. The GM seems good enough to run a strong, engaging game even for just one player - a feat not every GM can pull off.

Based on this, isn't it safe - even logical - to assume that maybe shit went south in these peasant villages that suddenly had a tyrant overthrown and were taught necromancy without the teacher sticking around to make sure everything went alright (the players character is 60 and claims to have saved many villages and such, so how long could he realistically have been in ever location to get things going right).

Seems to me what was happening objectively was a good-hearted Necromancer was going around teaching necromancy to less-good people, thinking they'd do the good thing and going on his merry way while shit steadily went to hell.

Cue Adventurers following in his wake repairing things and hunting for the fucker teaching necromancy to cunts.

>>49603576
>role reversal
>in Overlord

I'm sorry, but I don't remember any of Overlord games having the main character presented in a positive light. Even the "good" ending of the first game can be presented as a LE.

If anything, the message of Overlord games is that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, no matter the side.

>>49603788
>On the bright side, that makes the possibility of a skeletal paladin summoned up for One Last Quest when everything's gone to shit and they can't find a cleric to pull a real Resurrection.
>>"I will stay here a bit longer, summoner. But only since there is no-one left able to aid the forces of life. Otherwise, it is the duty of the living to carry their own burdens."
>Could be breddy gud, but it would have to take place in a real Nobledark shithole of a world.

This is actually really fucking awesome. Especially if he has mad bantz with his necrobuddy.

>>49603865
Way overhyped but I'll bite

>England fucks with Ireland for hundreds of years
>Ireland: "Hey stop fucking with us"
>England: "no"
>few bombs and generations later
>Irish and English literally don't care anymore now

Looks like Ireland is in the right senpai. NI is a meme and England should have just gtfo'd. Was the IRA even that bad really? Besides Thatcher did they ever actually bomb any civilians?

>>49599872
>Just because I wear black armor
Kill the bastard

>>49603887
>"That's a little-known symbol of the solar god."
>"It is?"
>"Yes, representing a regular revival. You would know that, if you had been a cleric."
>"If I had been a cleric, I would have been killed."
>"And that would have been a terrible tragedy, I'm sure."

>>49603889
Yes, lots.

You're ill-informed.

Besides, you write off what you thought was their only attack as it involved Thatcher and was therefore fine.

She was a controversial figure among the working class, sure, but she was a human being nonetheless, even if you ignore her contributions to the UK long term.

Don't be such a prick if you're ignorant, it stands out far too much to be defensible.

>>49603925
>but she was a human being nonetheless
Debatable

>>49604029
She was the right leader for the country back then.
She was hard bitch but the country needed one.

>>49603925
>controversial figure among the working class

that's a fucking understatement for a cunt who did everything in her goddamn power to ruin the lives of honest folk

>>49603889
>Was the IRA even that bad really? Besides Thatcher did they ever actually bomb any civilians?
Is it that far back that people have forgotten bloody friday?

I'm not even bong and I know about it.

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>>49599872
>"Just because I wear black armor, use necromancy and have a harem of vampires and succubi doesn't make me a bad person. I am not hurting anyone!"

YOU'RE BEING A FUCKING POSER.
STOP BEING A FUCKING POSER.

>>49604178
>YOU'RE BEING A FUCKING POSER.

>Black armour is the uniform.
>Necromancy is versatile.
>Vampires and Succubi both work for an alternative payment scheme where-in being part of my harem IS there payment. Admittedly to my detriment, but that's my cross to bear.

Fuck off, fedorafag. Come back when you get a real job. In the mean time, I'm going to be enjoying the overtime pay as a minion in the Evil Overlords guard.

>>49599872
>tfw played a fiend bladelock with white hair, pale skin, red eyes, dark purple armor full of spikes, dark aura while being generous as fuck, outgoing, happy go lucky, optimistic, always with a wise but naive phrase to cheer up my party in difficult times

>>49604094
Except she didn't. Don't present the modern narrative as historical fact.

>>49603503
>>49603486
Objective fact exists, therefore objective truth exists, therefore moral relativism is false, therefore one side is wrong.

>>49604320
Truth is grounded in perspective, which is a variable construct.

One man's objective truth is another man's objective lie.

>>49604320
>therefore objective truth exists, therefore moral relativism is false

This is your error.

Objective truth does exist. Up is up. White is white. Under most circumstances, one plus one equals two.

Moral relativism understands that objective truth exist. It's claim is just that terms such as "good", "bad", "right" and "wrong" do not stand subject to universal truth conditions at all; rather, they are relative to the traditions, convictions, or practices of an individual or a group of people.

Objective truths exist. And objective truths would dictate that there is no such thing as 'right' or 'wrong' when it comes to morals.

>>49604084
Well good ridance anyway. I hope she burn in hell

>>49604140
What about Bloody Sunday ?

>>49604320
>Objective truth
>In non-scientific, non-calculable opinions

Ohohohoh, you silly people.

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>All these people arguing morality of liches.
>Not realizing that 'good' and 'evil' are the most relative things in existence.
>Not being able to see what a world ruled by a Lich would really be like

I pity them.

>>49604587
But anooon, in muh D&D setting morality is objective because of muh planes.

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>>49604618
Well fuck your planes son, you know what a world ruled by this guy would be like?

>No wars
>No conflicts
>Centralized military against foreign threats (Demons)
>No souls are damned because no souls pass on
>Families reunited beyond death
>Science and Art flourish with lack of internal conflicts

The worst you could call a well done Lich is Lawful Neutral.

>>49599872
>there are people on /tg/ that use Detect Evil for every decision instead of doing what THEY think is the right thing to do
Why is /tg/ so shit at being noble?

>>49604686
>>Science and Art flourish with lack of internal conflicts
they can stagnate, conflict is helluva moving power

>>49599872
".....I asked you if your property taxes are okay in this area though? Jesus Christ dude, you always spaz out and say the most random shit in conversations for no reason. This is why you don't have any real friends except me dude and you have to hang out in basements with dead people; literally in the middle of productive conversations you say shit about necromancy, woman wearing armor, fey catboys and a whole lot of other random nonsense. Half of the time I can't even understand what the fuck you're saying when you open your mouth because it's like you never actually even recognize the context of anything going on around you ever."

"...I don't want to offend you dude, but I think you might be seriously autistic."

>>49604727
INTERNAL Conflict. I.e. goblins and gnomes no longer compete with one another, they work together.

The same goes for Mages and Scientists. Not having two factions fight each other for reasons as stupid as

>'I think that that uncontrollable demon that gnome accidently summoned while trying to summon a DIFFERENT uncontrollable demon was actually YOUR fault so I'm going to drop any pretense of sanity and call you out on it, even though we're fighting literally in the back yard of someone who can raise the dead and can likely take over the world.'

means that sabotage is non-existant and everything can be targetted at a single foe, rather than having 'Elf-killer' mines and other assorted racial targetting devices.

Kel'thuzad did nothing wrong.

>>49604587
>'good' and 'evil' are the most relative things in existence.
Nigga you what.
This is the most basic shit.
Evil boils down to putting your own agenda over the well being of the world and Its residents.
Good boils down to caring about your world and being able to suffer for the good of It.

There's obviously more to It, but the very core, It comes down to It.

A world where fucking over the other person is acceptable, killing another person just for looking at you funny might be acceptable but It's still pretty much evil. It's just like the Objective truth this guy >>49604415 is talking about

>>49604795
Well what if, by your own view, your agenda is for the well being of the world?

>>49604861
Does It involves hurting the people on It or the world Itself? Because that's the whole point.
If yes, bad idea.
Performing small evil for the greater good, is still evil. Now, doing nothing still counts as evil.

Does It mean that you're fucked either way? Yes.
Can you carry on still? I don't know. Will your evil acts ever be forgiven? Maybe.
Either way, no one can really blame you for doing nothing. Doing evil to do good is fucking hardcore.
But evil is still evil, and good is not the easy choice. You can't always do good. But you can still very well try. That's life, man

>>49604795

Dude, the shit I just told you contradicts what you're linking too.

In an objective truth universe, murdering everyone you see isn't good or evil. It just is. There are no morals in a universe of pure objective truths. Morals are shit we through on top based on opinion and perspective.

Killing one person to save billions - neither good nor evil, just a matter of perspective.

>>49599872
I know your kind of guys.
Bet you're gonna kickstart a skeleton-powered industrial revolution and destroy the economy of all your neighbors with your cheap magg-produced goods, causing millions to suffer from unemployment and subsequent famine. You monster

>>49604979
Yeah, It doesn't sound great.
What I meant Is, good or evil are pretty much a thing. You can call It whatever, you can find one more acceptable that the other, but those "ways of acting" are still the most basic, very much existing forces that drive all sentient beings.
We can fight over the specifics and train dilemma all day, but that won't change the fact that the "basics" are still there

>>49605032
Yeah, but those basics are different based on a shitload of factors.

There is no objective good/bad.

>>49605410
There is.
You suffer yourself for the good of the world.
Or
You make others suffer for your own good

>>49604795
“All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need... fantasies to make life bearable."

REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.

"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little—"

YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.

"So we can believe the big ones?"

YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.

"They're not the same at all!"

YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET—Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.

"Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point—"

MY POINT EXACTLY.

>>49602620
3.x moved them to conjuration (healing) because NECROMANCY IS A BAD SCHOOL FOR BAD PEOPLE so obviously you can't have healing in there because healing isn't bad

>>49604976
>Does It involves hurting the people on It or the world Itself?

What the fuck does "hurting the world" mean? Damaging the planet? Destabilising the ecosystem?

Does it mean damaging human society? In what way? By killing people? By destroying institutions that people rely on to live? By promoting certain cultural attitudes or beliefs? By voting for the wrong political figure?

Your statements make no fucking sense.

lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NspLA6mzST4

>>49605491

just another example of 3e dumbing D&D down for videogamers

>>49605491
NECROMANCERS have to be edgy and dark, nothing personnel kid

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>>49605507
Destabilising the magic ecosystem of dem magic winds

>>49605453
Define "the good of the world".

The soldiers marching Jewish children into gas-chambers thought they were building a better future. Were they Good?

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>>49605453
Both of those definitions rely on a subjective definition of good.

>>49603576
I recall Overlord and Overlord 2 to both be pretty definitely evil. You rolled into houses, looted them, and killed or enslaved whole towns and took women as mistresses because you could, and even wages war on notRome with what amounts to a small WMD in the Towerheart.

All of this talk has me thinking of having a character oppose the party (and all existence) by killing everything he comes across (or hiding the fact that he kills everything he comes across until a better opportunity comes up) and scorching the earth, destroying literally everything he can, for the purpose of 'eliminating all lies'. He says subjective experience creates lies, and the only world in which there is 'absolute truth' is a world where there is no-one at all, or where everyone has absolute understanding of existence. Guess which goal he thinks is easier.
For him, a life's value is nothing but another lie stacked on top of the lie that is civilization, any sort of science, magic, or wisdom a flawed, eternally incomplete misunderstanding (because models for the world change constantly and there is no guarantee the current one is actually accurate), emotion is a deception the body makes for itself, and in general, any understanding is empty because it is incomplete.
So he's going to eliminate everything he can until he can't find anything else to eliminate, getting stronger and stronger until he finally ends himself. He carries a bunch of magical wards and items to ensure he lives to see the last life (his own) end.
He's completely focused, absolutely omnicidal, incredibly competent, and can't be convinced from his position by any means. No-one has managed to defeat him yet. If he dies, he'll climb up the ranks of whatever afterlife he's found himself in or patiently endure the torture until either he is caused to cease to exist, he escapes, or the multiverse ends (if it does).

>>49605579
You don't even need /his/, /int/, or /pol/ now

>>49605753
This was already done in 40k.

>>49599872
ah the evil looking good guy, love doing that with my warlock

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>>49599872
>>49602818
For the Overlord!

>>49599979
Wow you're a racist.

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>>49599940
Of course not! They're vegetarian, I would never make them give up glorious cheese. That itself is evil.

>>49603025

Peasants, and mobs in general, aren't known for their logic. Just look at BLM's rio-, er peaceful protests for example.

>>49606297
They are just goblins. Also I am no racist, goblins are literally animals. That is science and fact.

>>49600415
i fucking remember that shit

>>49600046
>Taking examples from Order of the Stick
Yep, it's evil.

What's the endgame of a Necromancer? Ok cool, the entire world is undead...congrats?

>>49608685
More like :
>I have mastered life and death !!

Not dying AND satisfy your scientific curiosity sound like good enough goals for one's life.

>>49599978
Different things. I'm not even Christian and I know these things.

>>49600244
>Then you're basically raping them as they die
As long as they're not willing it's rape. Orientation has nothing to do with it.

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>>49603504
Oh yeah?

Well, you're a faggot.

>>49600138
Because when you require a quota of criminals, what constitutes a crime becomes looser and looser.

>>49613584
Unless OP's vampire harem is truly enormous, the ordinary number of legitimately guilty thieves and murderers in a normal medieval society should be more than enough to supply all the blood they'd need.

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A character like this could exist. Has a centralized army of undead, a codified and just law system, protects people and domain from outside threats. He just uses fear as a VERY effective weapon against his enemies while appearing as a normal ruler amongst his people in times of peace.

>be peasant
>be farming lands w/ wife and kids
>suddenly town attacked by raiders and brigands
>burn shit, kill any resistance
>lose children in chaos
>gather up myselfand wife
>ohshitwerefucked.parchment
>huge dude in spiky black armor rides in at head of undead hordes
>beheads one raider, begins speaking in eldritch tongue of doom
>last two spontaneously combust
>routs raiders, saves town
>places the flayed, crucified bodies of captured brigands on edge of town as warning
>has undead soldiers help rebuild town
>lessens taxes to ease burden on us as we recover
>personally delivers children back to me, unharmed
>mfw people call him evil

>>49613973
Sums it up pretty well.
The raising of the dead could be reduced to criminals and enemies. Peasants and citizens would have a "normal" afterlive if that would be of concern in the setting.

>>49600404
Dolphins and cats aren't particularly smart, dude.

Dolphins have large brains, sure, but most of it is no functioning fat because they live in cold water.

And cats are only believed to be smart because people are dumb and misinterpret signs of lack of intelligence as signs of intelligence. Stuff like being solitary, not being able to learn commands, etc. These are the characteristics of dumb animals.

>>49613973
>>has undead soldiers help rebuild town
Wouldn't they be, like, super disease carriers? How's that supposed to help the town? Corpses are pretty awful for hygiene.

Well, non-embalmed corpses are. Would an embalmed corpse be too stiff to reanimate? How often do you need to re-apply embalming fluid? And what about the embalming fluid's effect on people?

>>49600138
Hm yeah that'd be similar to how modern world switched to lethal injection rather than hanging or shooting.

Do someone have that pasta about horse stomach/anus...something?

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>>49599872
Your magic and you association with succubae and vampires are against your nature and there for a sin

>>49600046
While maybe not against the letter of the law, I feel like you're somehow missing something when your vampires can bite humans without killing them.

>>49617105
>not being able to learn commands, etc
Except cats can learn commands have can learn rudimentary sign language.

They're just not a species given to easy domestication or training.

>>49599872
You are desecrating bodies. That's not very polite

What's a good motivation for a Necromancer/Lich BBEG?

>>49601021
What is that?! I hope succubus is a metaphor, because if it isn't then I hope it ends the same way that cute girl eldritch horror book series ends.

>>49603370
>moral ambiguity and nuance in storytelling is Reddit tier
>questioning your own preconceptions is actually stupidity
>If one group isn't pure, unadulterated evil, then that means the other group is
I think this is the highest ignorance/word ratio I've ever seen in my life

>>49618690
Dogs shit in the yard. That's not polite but we love them anyways.

>>49620356
t. butthurt necromancer player, who keeps whining "m-m-m-muh moral ambiguity" when he's told to fuck off with his bullshit.

>>49605456
Underrated post, and perfectly illustrates what's being argued about.

>>49599978
>implying Jesus isn't a necromancer
He auto revives, withers plants, melts animals, and steals souls for fuck's sake

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>>49599872

>>49617124
troops that operate in urban areas are skeletal, there's no flesh on them

I'm glad I just play necromancers without all the good necromancer bullshit.

That said, he's just more of a dick than totally evil, I mean yes hes followed by a reunion consisting of several skeletons, one of which is a wizard herself, and the other is heavily radioactive and shoots heat rays out its eyes, but he, surprisingly, does care about the party.

Probably has to do with how, given most of the party is healed by negative energy, is the party healer, guess it comes with the job.

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>>49599872
>gives refuge to those who feed on people's blood and souls
>not hurting anyone.

Fuck all of you, I for one like to have my necromancers be cackling megalomaniacal assholes who do nothing but torment the living all day for fun.

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>>49622885
At least make him actually enjoy being evil, like Emperor Palpatine. That son of a bitch seemed liked the happiest man alive when he was doing evil stuff.

I mean look at that pure joy on his face when he was screaming "UNLIMITED POWER"

>>49602744
> have you ever seen a vampire eat something not a human.

> this fag hasn't seen interview with a vampire.

Seriously though, you're missing out.

>>49621774
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_risks_from_dead_bodies
Fuck me silly, it seems that zombies would not actually be all that dangerous if the person that originally was the zombie didn't die from disease. Disinfectant and staying away from water supplies would be the extent of your worries - the worst part about a zombie is the smell and appearance (which is reason enough to keep them out of population centers).