Has your party breached the Geneva convention? Could they re

>>49572727
No because my party doesnt kill humans. Just everything else.

>>49572727
No, they don't take prisoners, which means they can't break the Geneva convention.

Using an Autocannon on Orks probably wouldn't count as breaking the Hague convention, seeing as it likely doesn't exist in the 41st millenium.

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We had to kill some kids in the Sudan once

I mean they shot at us first, but still

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>>49572727
We once allowed our Lamia Wizard to eat the mayor of some city, because the mayor was a dumbshit. Yes, EAT, the mayor. He was still alive while we did it too, just tied up and getting eaten by a snek.

The snek then later became mayor of the city.

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>>49572814
that reminds me of something

>>49572814
look who just won one-way tickets to Geneva

>>49572814
Wrong thread.

>>49572727
that video explained nothing

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>>49572814

What are the actual Geneva convention laws?

I wanted to find them for a game I'd like to run but I couldn't find any itemized lists or a summary.

>>49572760

Quite sure the Emprah abolished whatever vestigial laws of war still existed when he torched Switzerland and outlawed the big three religions that made service of the Red Cross/Cressent/Jewel/Whathaveyou possible illegal.

>>49572854
Here's a more potable listing.

"Crimes against humanity are certain acts that are deliberately committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population or an identifiable part of a population."
>Murder
>massacres
>dehumanization
>extermination
>human experimentation
>extrajudicial punishments
>death squads
>forced disappearances
>military use of children
>kidnappings
>unjust imprisonment
>slavery
>cannibalism
>torture
>rape
>political or racial repression that may reach the threshold of crimes against humanity if they are part of a widespread or systematic practice.

"War Crimes are an act that constitutes a serious violation of the law of war that gives rise to individual criminal responsibility."
>Intentionally killing civilians or prisoners
>torture
>destroying civilian property
>taking hostages
>perfidy
>rape
>using child soldiers
>pillaging
>declaring that no quarter will be given
>using weapons that cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering.

>>49572946
I'm actually having a hard time thinking of a character of mine who hasn't done one of these. Even the good guys usually pull one of those war crimes against the evil empire

>>49572946
So is purging with extreme prejudice using flamethrowers a war crime?

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>>49572727
Is cannibalism or necrophilia against the Geneva Convention?

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>>49572946
>declaring that no quarter will be given

>>49573015
As long as its not against civilians and (somehow) not causing superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering

>>49573031
crimes against humanity

>>49573060
kek

What kind of question is this? I haven't presided over a party that hasn't....

You can't break a man the way you break a dog...or a horse. The harder you beat a man, the taller he stands. To break a man's will, to break his spirit, you have to break his mind. Men have this idea that we can fight with dignity, that it's the proper way to kill someone; it's absurd, it's inaesthetic. We needed to endure the bloody horror of murder. You must destroy that idea. Show them what a messy, terrible thing it is to kill a man... and then show them that you relish in it. Shoot the wounded, then execute the wounded; burn them. Take them in close combat, destroy their preconceptions of what a man is, and you become their personal monster. When they fear you... you become stronger, you become better. But let's never forget, it's a display, it's a posture, like a lion's roar or a gorilla thumping at his chest. If you lose yourself with display, if you succumb to the horror... then you become the monster. You become reduced. Not more than a man, but less; and it can be fatal.

We conquered a city and the "commander" of the party had to determine what to be done with the survivors. He had everyone but women and children slaughtered. Any survivors were split between the two genders and made slaves. I think he was trying to be "good" by sparing the women and children, but we all made sure to tell him how fucked up it was and there was long-term repercussions.
The player is a nice kid, but when he's put on the spot he tends to make... Poor decisions.

>>49572727

There is no real point to the Geneva convention nowadays because most enemy combatants nowadays are poor dirt farmers in Africa and the Middle East who just don't give a fuck, and will take advantage of this fact by suicide bombing the shit out of you when you try to apply it.

>>49573170
Yea, take advice on morals from an arms dealer
you have great taste in vidia anon

>>49572814
What kind of snake eats someone alive?

They're supposed to hug their victims to death first.

>>49572946

A lot of these rely on the setting having such a thing as "civilians".

>>49573218
Worst part about the whole thing was that the lamia's player was only given 10 RP to make said lamia, so he didn't have a bite attack. DM told him that he "Can't easily eat someone without a bite attack". So she ended up having to use her trusty knife to just scoop chunks off the mayor and eat them that way.

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>>49573031

Remember however, it is only cannibalism if what you're eating is the same race as you. Elf burger? Go for it; it's not biologically human! Hungry but our of supplies? Try a fairy slugger: you earned it!

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>>49572946
man i had no idea it was so restrictive.
lets see, as donk i've committed
>Murder, daily
>massacres, mostly against orzov assholes
>extermination, i wiped alien style xenomorphs out on the plane of ravnica.
>death squads, what else do you call an adventuring party with a gnoll leading it?
>kidnappings, trail rations.
>unjust imprisonment, see above.
>slavery, surprisingly few times for a gnoll but it does happen.
>cannibalism, meat is meat to a gnoll.
>torture, pretty sure boiling someone alive for dinner counts.
>rape, i may have paid those whores but what followed couldn't be called anything but.


"War Crimes are an act that constitutes a serious violation of the law of war that gives rise to individual criminal responsibility."
>Intentionally killing civilians or prisoners, where do you think gnoll rations come from?
>destroying civilian property, three churches burned to the ground, one capital city raized to the ground, numerous shops smashed, a small hammlet magic nuked by a wizard we were working for, no less than 12 villages of non-coms slaughtered by a hoard of goblins i was leadind and i beat a wizard to death with his own car.
>taking hostages, we transported a political hostage once but despite my threats i never once harmed him or allowed him to be harmed.
>pillaging, how else do you get loot?
>declaring that no quarter will be given, you mean my battle cry?
>using weapons that cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering, does drinking all of someones blood while their still kicking count? cause that is literally a daily occurrence.

if i do the math...
15... carry the 2...
yup, i'm a fucking monster.

>>49572727
>Could they reasonably be charged with crimes against Humanity?

Yes, obviously. I play with a bunch of Americans.

>>49572727
It's Rogue Trader, so yes.

>>49573807
Watch out lads we've got a chaotic evil here.

>>49572727
I'm running Exalted for Infernals.

Every single party member is a walking crime against humanity.

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>>49573861
naa, no need to worry. just keep me fed and your everything away from my mouth and you'll be fine. unless your a snooty elf. in which case you are as good ass defiled and eaten already.

>pillaging

Literally every D&D party, and a few WoD and Shadowrun groups as well.

As for my current campaign, we're currently noodling about the Astral Plane looking for the corpse of a god to desecrate so that our freaky TARDIS wagon will stop pulling all the solid objects in the void into a big katamari. So there are probably some Crimes Against Githyanki in the offing.

>>49572727
Executed every prisoner since they started.

>>49572946
Let's see, Rogue Trader, so...
>Kidnapping, unjust imprisonment, forced disappearance, and slavery: In the form of press-ganging menial laborers, done literally every time they stop over in civilized space.
>Extermination: Of xenos, yes.
>Death Squads: More like "Summary beating" squads, but Armsmen are authorized to deal out summary death by shotgun or voidlock if warranted.
War Crimes:
>Pillaging: See Rogue Trader
>Destroying civilian property: Define 'civilian'
>Declaring that no quarter will be given: Honestly, offering quarter is far and away the exception rather than the rule
>Weapons that cause unnecessary suffering: Actually fairly innocent, exploding people with bolt rounds is a very quick pain-free way to die. And you save on the funeral costs, since you don't need to be buried, they just mop the walls clean.

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>>49573199
Despite our "THE CURRENT YEAR" attitude, I think the Geneva Convention should hold a chivalry-esque clause to it. Which basically means that rather than a binding convention, it becomes a gentleman's agreement: don't do this to us, we don't do this to you. We more or less saw this happen during WW1: the Germans shat on the Geneva Convention by using gas attacks (biological warfare), so the French did the same.

It's stupid to expect one party in a war to disadvantage itself and punish it for breaching the rules when the other can breach the rules with impunity. It should also make anyone quite wary of breaching the Geneva Convention because the moment you use a single gas attacks, all of your soldiers become a valid target for torture and all kinds of non-nuclear brutal attacks, your citizens become valid targets and anything you try to bring to the UN will be responded to with "you shouldn't have been a dick".

>>49574940
Anon, who taught you history? The Geneva Conventions had chemical warfare added after WWI. Short answer for how it works though is that the UN has no real means of enforcing it so it's basically a gentleman's agreement anyways. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions

>>49574992
>The Geneva Conventions had chemical warfare added after WWI.
My bad, I assumed it was in there from the start.

>Short answer for how it works though is that the UN has no real means of enforcing it so it's basically a gentleman's agreement anyways.
That's de facto true, but whenever a first world nation violates the Geneva Convention against a group like the Islamic State, they will still get a "stern disapproval" from the UN rather than simple acceptance based on the fact that IS violates it all the time. That's still pretty harsh diplomacy-wise, as it means a negative judgement in the eyes of the other nations in the world. For all that means, at least.

>>49572727
My newest character has not broken the Geneva convention yet.

Then again, he is only 1 session in and -for now- a peace-loving druid.
Once he will start his plans to take back the lands of the elves, that's when things will really pick up: lodsa humans will die, for sure.

Yea they torture on the regular, even though all they ever need is Charm Person (which would be against the fantasy version of the Geneva Convention, I'm sure).

We're still working on the crimes against humanity. And when I say work I mean it, we're nothing if not committed.

>>49575047
>ISIS did it first, so we should do it harder.
Thank goodness the UN doesn't choose to conduct itself with the mentality of petulant children.

In the same way that Prohibition in the United States enhanced the proliferation of alcohol and made millionaires of murderers and thugs, the Geneva Conventions have enhanced the proliferation of arms, WMDs, and has made rulers of petty criminals who've cornered the trade.

The Geneva Conventions were a mistake.

>>49574940
And in five years everyone will be doing everything to everyone else. Because fuck being gentlemen.

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>>49573286
Fairies are for love not for eating!

>>49575074
Yes, because adult men actively disadvantage themselves against an enemy that's going all-out, right? What next, if you kill your enemy they win?

>>49575077
>Everyone
Not really, no. Most people don't really enjoy the harsher results war can bring, so will actively try to limit its impact. In civilized regimes at least, and especially those reliant on popular sovereignity.

>>49575074
>Thank goodness the UN doesn't choose to conduct itself with the mentality of petulant children.

But it does. The UN is literally a whining chamber for the worst countries on the face of the planet.

This is an all-barbarian party in a Conan style setting
>slaughtered not one, but two indigenous tribes of pigmies in retaliation for ambushing us; decided that all pygmies should be treated the same because they are "nasty little buggers"
>regularly take slaves
>fed an alchemist his entire stock of potions because he pissed us off
>hung a dozen pirates to the mast of their ship
>technically one of the party members is barely pubescent
>civilians are just cowards who don't fight back
>pillaging : yes please
>unnecessary suffering : yes
>the bullying of anyone we encounter can be considered "systematic"

Once in a while it's fun to play as literal murderhobos in a game that's made for it

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>>49575095
>What next, if you kill your enemy they win?

As written in the Lo Accords

>>49575118
There are a lot of followers of Wimp Lo these days, aren't there?

>>49575095
>Resorting to yet more childish arguments
I'm just glad you will never hold a position of true power.

>>49574940
Most of the things in the Conventions are about not being a dick to people who aren't fighting - it's not really a disadvantage to follow them.

Gas isn't an easy weapon to use and there's long-term effects - areas of France from WWI that are still too poisonous to use (there's also a much bigger area around that that's just too full of unexploded shells to use)
Cluster bombs cause a similar unexploded ordnance problem

The entire reason they encompass such a wide range of things is to discourage any of them - it's the whole point.
And to make sure someone who's an asshole gets punished post-war

>>49575157
>"It is not a good idea to actively limit ourselves against an enemy that's not holding any punches"
>Childish
Whatever you say, friend.

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Honestly the rules of rule have been pretty well respected by both sides of the major conflict in the game I'm running.

But then, the war is (For the moment) mostly border skirmishers and claiming territory that neither side has cities in. There has been causalities on both sides (It IS still a war) but both sides have been doing their best to demonstrate they don't want it to go to annihilation and provide medical care to the other side.

The major instance of war crimes is mostly on the Hyperion side. K1 gas is very much a chemical weapon...but it's also non-lethal. It drains all magic from the area it covers and Hyperion's primary foe is very magically active. It's not pleasant but it won't kill anyone save in the case of rare allergic reactions. The Chemical Weapons Conventions however would rule that illegal due to 'temporary incapacitation' being one of the things that classes something as a chemical weapon.

The players just managed to stop someone who was trying to push it into total war, which is always nice.

>>49575110

Yeah, the countries with veto votes.

>>49575179

The thing is...how many of the Geneva conventions actually limit a country from doing things that are actually effective?

>Land Mines are utter shit against terrorists.
>Gas Weapons are utter shit against terrorists for the same reason (Mixed in with civilians of a country you are not at war with)
>Attacking civilians just gets terrorists more support within the country they are in.
>Torture is notoriously unreliable as a method of information gathering.

>>49572727
Does raising the dead count?

>>49575305

Likely not. Unless you are preventing neutral clerics from raising both sides of a fight.

>>49575313
Then no, everything is all by the books.

>>49572946
I'm pretty sure that across the spectrum, the only things one or more of my characters haven't committed at one point or another in-game would be cannibalism, military use of children, dehumanisation, child soldiers, and rape.

>>49574940
I agree with this, it should be more of a 'rules of escalation' than anything. There's nothing you can't do, but should you? Type deal. The concept of warcrimes doesn't make any sense to me.

>>49575855

The issue there is that it means that 'I have access to the bigger, meaner warcrimier toys' becomes a wantable goal. As you can escalate and someone who didn't invest in land mines and toxic gas can't.

Anyway, the main point of warcrimes is to make it so that there is still a country left at the end, not just dead land. It's no use if everyone who could work the land and live in the cities is dead.

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>>49572946
>star wars
besides one of our group members being an assassin and taking out a couple of his targets, we're pretty clean
oh wait, there was that one time we released space zombies onto a planet, but that was entirely an accident

>mekton
>we're part of a military force that's in rapid decline due to recently having its shit slapped hard
>mostly because i may have accidentally started a full-blown war by melting one of the enemy's commanders during what was supposed to be a scouting mission
>oops
anyway
>one of our player's meks hit mach 1 flying just over the tops of a LOT of civilian property, and smashed up a whole bunch of buildings landing at that speed during a hasty mission to rescue our de-facto team leader
>one of the characters is sixteen years old
>we've had to do a lot of looting to stay equipped on the personal level, since our military is in shambles and we can't get supplies easily
>one of the group members spent a while outside of his mek, popping out of sewers to take pot-shots at enemy meks with his new anti-mek laser rifle
>he eventually decided that since the meks were avoiding the areas he was hunting, that he'd draw them in by occasionally shooting civilian targets
>we may end up more or less mortaring a large part of the city to thin out the enemy's numbers as much as possible
we are basically asshole guerillas in our mekton campaign

>>49575855
the idea is that either side isn't left a completely fucked wasteland, that there's still a civilian population at the end of it, and that you don't go out of your way to do absurdly cruel shit just because you're at war.

>>49572727
No, because that would require us to participate in armed conflicts. Raiding a dungeon doesn't fall into that category, because we don't hold incompatibilities regarding government or territories. So we're only bound by our local laws, which happen to be A OK with pillaging.

>>49575855
Think of it as a measure to protect your soldiers rather than to protect the enemy. War crimes are fucked up shit, and doing fucked up shit will fuck someone up. If it's an absolute rule, officers will never have the authority to order a soldier to commit war crimes, nor will they ever have to worry about giving that order.

>>49574992
Actually, the convention specifically mentioned the use of poison weapons in war. The Germans decided to interpreted this as poison bullets and not deadly chemicals in general. There was a lot of shit flinging about it, then everyone else jumped on the gas attack train. They were banned, Germany just pulled a creative interpretation of the wording and stopped giving a shit.

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>>49572727
Weapons that are "excessively injurious or whose effects are indiscriminate" are also against Geneva convention: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Certain_Conventional_Weapons
I'd say quite many spells and especially melee methods used in RPGs breach said convention.

>>49576564
Read what you're citing. It's specifically against non-detectable fragments, land mines and booby traps, incendiary weapons which use chemical reactions (so not magic fire), and blinding laser weapons, as well as requiring explosives to be cleaned up afterwards.

>>49577098
So the real question becomes, what in your setting would be added to the list of warcrimes/inhumane tactics? Would fireballs be outlawed, would your rogue no longer be allowed to use poison, would your telepath not be allowed to mind control your opponents, would colony drops be added to the list of WMDs, etc.

>>49575865
>The issue there is that it means that 'I have access to the bigger, meaner warcrimier toys' becomes a wantable goal.
We already have that with MAD though. We've already reached the highest point of escalation with weapons that can eradicate entire countries in mere hours.

"party" is a pretty loose term here because because our group of players are usually split between several factions/locations/ideologies but my evil characters definitely have, my neutral/good characters only do so on occasion

>>49576522
>creative interpretation of the wording and stopped giving a shit
The first time the Krauts used gas they just opened some jars while the wind was at their back, who knew the chlorine gas would drift over the enemy trench?

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>>49575095
>if you kill your enemy they win

This. After we pile their corpses, the chaplain ceremonially concedes our enemies the moral victory. Then, we set the bonfires and return to camp to tend our gear - and start drinking pretty heavily. Someone inevitably starts it, and soon the whole camp will be chanting The Lament of the Second to Last Place Fighters.

Good times.

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Is the Hague Convention of 1899 the biggest meme ever to exist?
>don't use these bullets in warfare they are too good at killing

>>49572727
No, since we're not bound by it.

>>49572727
look if that werewolf alpha didn't want his head ground to putty underneath a 4x4's rear wheel maybe he shouldn't have let the maw get a foothold in the region.

>>49572727
Which party?
Recently finished campaign: We set off a nail bomb on a space ship, attacked and burned a lab to capture/kill a scientist, basically declared a war on hobos at one point, and executed a sleeping man (admittedly one that was as fucked up as we were). Pretty sure we've violated it, or at least come really close.

Current SR campaign: Not yet. Just typical criminal-for-hire stuff: knocking out guards, stealing shit, killing gangers, sabotage, etc...

Current AToW game: No, but that's not going to stop the Blakists from claiming our resistance movement is breaching future-Geneva.

Yeah man.. we fucked up big time. Geneva is gonna git us.

>>49573279
>So she ended up having to use her trusty knife to just scoop chunks off the mayor and eat them that way.
Come on man, it was hot as fuck until you had to ruin it like that.

>>49572814
This is my magical realm

>>49572727
We tortured a goon,before shooting him,the crooked doc that sold him out and leaving them to burn with corpses of other people we had to get rid of.

>>49572814
Here's your (you).

>>49572946
I was gonna say proudly that the character I'm currently playing did none of these, but then I saw "using child soldiers" and I remembered he is currently participating in turning a 12-year-old girl into an adventurer

>>49574940

The problem with the conventions is that the UN is too lazy to enforce them on ANYBODY, making them toothless punchlines to an unfunny joke. For a law to be anything more than a friendly suggestion, you need enforcers.

>>49577316

Rogues. Are. CRIMINALS! They didn't care about chivalry when it first came out, and they don't care about the laws of war now. Really, if a rogue is caught in a war-type situation, and they're not an unlawful combatant, something has gone horribly wrong.

>>49575095
>if you kill your enemy they win?
I've said this before but as fun as it is to meme, in a world of mass media and counter-terrorism he has something of a point.

>>49572946
Comparatively speaking, not much.
Perfidy, but that's social combat for you.

>>49579982
It was a different time. The attendees thought they could roll back the massive technological leaps and make the world advance more like it had in their grandfather's time. It's kind of ironic that by limiting how much could be done with new weapons systems they made it so that all cards were on the table when the great war broke out.

>>49583639
>but if you kill terrorists, more will appear!
Then just kill those ones too until that desert is entirely depopulated.

>>49573102
>superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering
It's flamethrowers, not poison, blinding laser, glass shrapnel, or something equally STUPIDLY BAD at killing people, militarized torture devices.
Flamethrowers will kill you dead.

>>49572727
The wizard went to capture the enemy general's wife, who ended up knocking him out and questioned him before letting him go (without his magical focus).
So then he got his magic focus back and summoned a Wall of Fire around her, killing her.
When the enemy general finally got his hands on the wizard, he proceeded to torture the dude and imprisoned the wizard's soul within an artifact now known as the Bracer of Flame.

>>49572727
Powerful nations ignore the Geneva convention and smaller nations that are threatened with destruction must ignore them. What a load of tripe.

Its just meant as something to legitimize the execution of the leadership of small nations that get invaded.

>>49583363
#notallrogues

>>49572946

>Murder
Yep.
>massacres
Yep.
>dehumanization
Yep.
>extermination
Yep.
>human experimentation
Yep.
>extrajudicial punishments
Yep.
>death squads
Yep.
>forced disappearances
Yep.
>military use of children
Yep.
>kidnappings
Yep.
>unjust imprisonment
Yep.
>slavery
Yep.
>cannibalism
Yep.
>torture
Yep.
>rape
Nope.
>political or racial repression that may reach the threshold of crimes against humanity if they are part of a widespread or systematic practice.
Yep.

"War Crimes are an act that constitutes a serious violation of the law of war that gives rise to individual criminal responsibility."

>Intentionally killing civilians or prisoners
Yep.
>torture
Yep.
>destroying civilian property
Yep.
>taking hostages
Yep.
>perfidy
Yep.
>rape
No.
>using child soldiers
Yep.
>pillaging
Yep.
>declaring that no quarter will be given
Yep.
>using weapons that cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering.
Yep.

>>49572727
Well, in about the zombie apocalypse, we did the following. Keep in mind we only did most of these after other groups did it to us first, except the last one.

>torture
>hostages
>killing non combatants.
>killing medics
>killing women and children
>biological war fair
>using a dirty nuclear bomb

>>49574940

Whenever I see someone actually and legitimately use "THE CURRENT YEAR" I get unreasonably irritated for a few seconds.

It's like the entire course of human evolution and society gets thrown in the garbage because the absolute worst sub-branches of the generation that inherited the most shit and borderline collapsing social orders think they have the right to breathe my air.

>>49572727
Look, any plan that doesn't result in domestic terrorism is a bad plan.

>>49572727

Yes, but it got a little disturbing.

It wasn't that we had to kill children. It was war, some dirty things had to be done. It was that I got an erection over it.

>>49572727
No jury will find us guilty of breaching them. You see, party face has expert knowledge of law backed by peak human intellect and supernatural charms that can essentially mindbreak common people.

>>49572946
>PC Shopping list.

>>49572727

For my past parties, yes to all because there is always an edge lord "I'm chaotic evil I'll kill who I want."

For my personal characters
Civilians, no [If you consider criminals civilians, then yes]
Prisoners, Not killed under my supervision but never really tried to stop a prisoner if we already had what we wanted.
Medical, Nah they are more useful alive
Weapons, I've used super weapons before so probably had some collateral damage there

>>49584465
Well, the last few generations are the ones who fucked everything over for us to inherit.

>>49572760
Why would any neutrality-based law exist in grimdark-future-land? Kill everything for fun, glory, and who gives a fuck.

>>49573286
>instead of killing his enemies, he casts polymorph on his dying victim, and paralysis for good measure
>it may be a pig, chicken, or cow, depending on how he views them based on their actions
>"you die as you have lived" he says, as he brings an executioner's axe down on their neck
>party's judge, jury, executioner, and chef
>they never starve or have to worry about paying for food, but some do question the morality of such actions

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>>49573914
>ass defiled

>>49572727
As shotguns pretty much violate the Geneva conventions, as does any form of modern warfare, yes.

And yes, they can be charged, as anyone who loses can be. Since charging with war crimes is just the modern version of paying war tribute for the loser.

>>49572727
>be mercenaries
>be inflitrating compound in Mogadishu
>owner's daughter walking about the house in the middle of the night
>other mercs try to calm her so she won't scream
>my character just shoots her (we still had a high school understanding of "silencers")
>visible disapproval of the party
>later get made anyway
>my guys is an explosives expert
>fire grenade launcher out the window at the owner's guards
>rig the building with explosives
>get what we want
>escape by chopper
>detonate entire building, with owner, hiw wife, garrison, and dead daughter
>"we'll be able to say it was a gas leak"

Definitely did not break the Geneva Convention, because we were not in the military.

>>49572727
Yes.
A hundred times.
The geneva rules of war are a biased pile of shit based only on the idea that both sides are going to respect it.
This is never the case. It makes me laugh that the Geneva convention was created only AFTER wars ended targetting only soldiers and after it was subscribed everyone just ignored it. Almost like they started doing that shit only because someone said they couldn't.

Also of course we slaughtered that village to the last child. Orcs aren't people after all.
Another of my character completely erased a noble family from existence for kidnapping his son.
Another not only used child soldiers, but also sold their souls to slaanesh.
And another scryed a guy's mind for information to the point of reducing him to a vegetable, though i don't think this counts as torture, because my PC never physically touched him.
Wars would be over in a much quicker and more effective fashon if we just stopped pretending to be better than what we really are.

>>49590619
Mercs are prohibited by one of the conventions btw.
So I guess you'll be tried just for taking any part in the conflict.

>>49590666

>Wars would be over in a much quicker and more effective fashon if we just stopped pretending to be better than what we really are.

What parts of the geneva conventions actually prevent something that actually efficient for fighting a war?

>>49590708
It wasn't a war.

>>49590710
None. I had to study both Geneva and the Hague ones and I was surprised at how permissive they actually are.
But no, people go all " WHAT? I CANT BURN BABIES IN WAR TO SHOCK MY ENEMY? WHAT KIND OF PUSSY WAR IS THAT?".

>>49572727

My group was tasked with infiltrating a hospital station and killing someone.

We ended up causing serious security breaches in their network and blowing a gaping hole in the side of the station using many stolen blaster packs from the armory, forcing an emergency evacuation of the station and reducing our target to a pile of molten slag in the process.

The criminals who hired us were looking for something a little more discreet, but we got paid anyway.

Star Wars EotE is fun. I don't care what you say.

>>49590735

Yeah, they are 90% 'Don't do shit that will ruin the country after the war is over' rather than winning the war faster.

>>49574940
>don't do this to us, we don't do this to you.

If you're going to go that far you might as well nix it anyway. Organizations involved in a war run propaganda as a matter of course, and it's the easiest thing in the world to just say "Look, he <DID X HORRIFIC THING>, so now I'll do it too." The truth of the matter isn't going to get sorted out until after the war (if ever), and as long as you win you're bullet-proof anyway.

The only thing the rules of war have going for them are as an attempt at responsible use of military power. They're largely ignored, unevenly enforced, and generally disregarded when the shit hits the fan, but at least they're some kind of example. Reducing them to "I've got my genetically-engineered plague here but I'll only use it if you do" removes that.

>>49575074

That's exactly what it does, though. All it ever does is whine about every little injustice in the world without lifting a finger on the situation. They don't even try to give constructive criticism to the perpetrators; they're like payed /v/ posters.

Oh god have we, at one point the DM threw us a vampire infiltrating a village, but purposely gave us no real leads to whom it was, forcing us to make the moral question if the peoples deaths were worth the vampires. The village was ash a few days later.

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>>49573199
/pol/ shilling at its finest. Are you really a that horrible being that you wish people getting tortured and worse?

>>49572727
>Utilised biological weaponry in ship to ship combat in DtD against an enemy battleship, and then conducted an electronic warfare campaign to forcibly lockdown and quarantine the vessel, resulting in the deaths of nearly everyone on board
So, yes? Though, for the record, the rest of the party was not best pleased with me.
It was broadcast on live TV as well. Galactic Rumbles make for amazing showcases for experimental weaponry that you are trying to flog to the highest bidder.

>>49590784
But they shouldn't be.

If the enemy uses civialians as shields and hides among them I should be able to root him out with every mean necessary.

human life is cheap get over it.

>>49591042
I hope you like turning civilians against you, both back home and in the region that you are operating in. As that is how you go about doing that. What you are suggesting is litterally how you get people desperate and angry enough to strap bombs to their chests.

>>49591042
You can do it if its military necessity. The collateral damage you cause should be proportional to your gain.
Enemy built a very important military installation next to a kindergarten? Bombs away, its ok.
Enemy has a 2-man checkpoint next to an orphanage? Pls dont cluster bomb that shit m8.

Cant be arsed to look up the exact article of the convention unless you really really want me to.

>>49572946
Its called having an interstellar Empire.

>>49591181

Here we go.

>Article 57 of the 1977 Additional Protocol I to the 1949 Geneva Conventions states that, in an international conflict, “constant care shall be taken to spare the civilian population, civilians, and civilian objects.” In addition, under Article 51, carpet bombing is prohibited, as are attacks that employ methods and means of combat whose effects cannot be controlled. Finally, attacks are prohibited if the collateral damage expected from any attack is not proportional to the military advantage anticipated. Military commanders in deciding about attacks have to be aware of these rules and either refrain from launching an attack, suspend an attack if the principle of proportionality is likely to be violated, or replan an attack so that it complies with the laws of armed conflict.