Were skimpy armors in RPGs a mistake? Did they taint the reputation

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>>49546396
Who cares?

>>49546396
> Did they taint the reputation of fantasy gaming permanently?
A speck of dust compared to the mudslide that we, fans and players of TG, throw into fantasy gaming's reputation every day.

>>49546396
>Were skimpy armors in RPGs a mistake?
I don't think that it was rpgs that came up with this.

>>49546396
I think bland art is the bigger mistake

>>49546396
> Were skimpy armors in RPGs a mistake?
Not a mistake. Also, existed before trpg.

> Did they taint the reputation of fantasy gaming permanently?
It's not a taint.

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>>49546396

1. RPGs didn't come up with bikini armor. That was standard for fantasy artists long before Old Man Gygax was even born.

2. If you care AT ALL about "the reputation of fantasy gaming", you are an incurable faggot and need to adult-age abort yourself.

3. For starting a thread like this, go fuck yourself. If you just want people to post bikini armor, type in your OP "bikini armor thread".

>>49546396
I just find them ugly if compared to a more complex armor.

>>49546396
>mistake
That's the wrong way to spell filter

>>49546396
>Did they taint the reputation of fantasy gaming permanently?
Why would you care ?

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Scanty warriors were a staple of the early 1900's, with Robert Howard and Edgar Rice Burrough's protagonists simply being the most famous of the genre.

I find skimpy armor aesthetically pleasing.

No. And you're an idiot for caring or caring about the opinion of people who do.

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>>49546396

Skimpy armor is fine.

Tattoos on the other hand...

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>go to my sister's house
>my eight-year-old neice is into Yu-gi-oh
>"want to see my deck?"
>start flipping through the cards, have no idea what kind of strategy she's going for, since I havn't played Yu-gi-oh in close to two decades
>For a moment I thought it had some sort of Harpy lady combo, until I got near the end of the deck and realized what all the cards had in common
>my eight-year-old neice's deck was literally nothing but anime girls in tights and revealing clothes

It's cards she thought were pretty. I'm not sure if it means anything more than that.

>>49546890

Hot.

>>49546890
She's gonna be a lesbian when she grows up and it's all anime's fault

They're just kind of tired and boring.

The only mistake/taint on RPGs is when devs cater to the three hundred pound no-life neckbeards instead of the otherwise normal people who like these games.

>>49547329

Right, the furries, otherkin, trannies, Leftists and freaks. The 'normal people'.

>>49547477
>the three hundred pound no-life neckbeards
>Right, the furries, otherkin, trannies, Leftists and freaks. The 'normal people'.

well we know which group you belong to

>>49547328
>tfw anime was a mistake

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Skimpy armor is the best armor.

Anyone who disagrees is a faggot trying too hard to be "mature"

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>>49547555

Trips of truth baby!

They're just FUN! There's nothing wrong with bikini-armors, its just some eye candy.

I prefer fighting women in regular armor for my fantasy settings, and save the cheesecake for magic-users. The only thing I don't like about bikini armor is that it doesn't make too much sense, but if your game is all about high fantasy and rule-of-cool then why not?

>>49546873
>This faggot doesn't rock a barbarian with enchanted tattoos.
>The fanged maw tells of his past glories to those who ask
>The body-wide tribal vine provides him with all the protection of a suit of fullplate, but at none of the weight.
>The various creatures impart either a portion of their powers, or in the case of the dragon and minotaur skulls, the ability to communicate in their language.

>>49546396
Personally not my thing, but I'm glad they exist because they piss off people who deserve to be pissed on.

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>>49546396
>the reputation of fantasy gaming

>>49547525
Two nukes were not enough

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>>49546396

I'm very happy with my skimpy armor.

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>>49548033

dubs don't lie.

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>>49548055
good lord.

>>49546396

If you actually care about what butthurt, feminazi cunts think about your RPG character, then hang up your sword and shield immediately AS WELL as your testicles. You won't be needing those, anymore.

>>49546396
Sometimes it's appropriate for the setting. Obvious examples are postapocalypse or iron-age settings (eg Conan, Darksun) where much useful armor doesn't exist, and conversely high-magic or legendary settings where magic/power replaces the need to wear clothing appropriate to the elements (eg Exalted, most superheros).

Othertimes it's inappropriate for the setting, and exists purely as magical-realm fetish bait. Mostly these are low-magic settings with non-perfect climates and easy access to appropriate clothing.

Remember though: modesty is a cultural artifact, and functioning magic distorts culture massively. If the Aztecs had conquered the world with blood-magic, the attitudes to walking around naked except for tattoos and jaguar blood might be similar to an open-carry license today. Legal depending on area, but probably unwelcome at parent-teacher night.

>>49547555
>>49547561

Skimpy armor is shit.

Armor that shows off your figure without sacrificing too much protection is situationally fine.

Skimpy clothes are hot.

Therefore, Warlocks and sorcerers are the hottest or have the potential to be the hottest.

>>49546396
PnP RPGs are not a visual medium. I don't believe I've ever read, in a serious sourcebook, a description of armor which explicitly mentioned "Oh BTW, this armor consists only of a chainmail G-string and steel plate nipple pasties" or whatever. Insofar as specific visual designs exist in RPGs at all, beyond what's explicitly mentioned in descriptions of premade content, it's in
> the minds of the players/GM, and how they imagine stuff
and
>Sourcebook art + promotional materials

The former is not something that anybody is really responsible for introducing, and as for the latter ... fantasy artists had been drawing skimpy armor since forever, because they liked it & that's what sold the pulp fiction the genre evolved from. (The writers didn't have much say in this; you don't really have a lot of communication with or control over the guy doing your cover art, and they don't have time to read your book.)

RPG sourcebooks generally don't even have that much art in them anyway, especially older ones.

tl;dr any discussion of specific visual aesthetics / outfit choices "in RPGs" isn't really about RPGs at all, but about what the players have on their minds and what the market for fantasy art looks like at the time.

Skimpy clothing is fine unless the setting is cold. Humans have gone naked or nearly naked for a long amount of time. Being naked or nearly naked is light and comfortable.

However, skimpy armor or high heels make no sense unless you're a gladiator who's putting on a show.

You can have warriors in skimpy clothing but combining it with armor makes no sense.

>>49548015
Where do you fucking think the national brain damage came from in the first place, genius?

>>49548606
And for that matter, the visual stuff inb the player's heads is also largely a function of how stuff tends to look in fantasy art + whatever visual media (TV, cartoons, comics, anime, videogames) they consume.

So 'skimpy armor' or any other specific visual-oriented aesthetic choice (Boobplate comes to mind) isn't really a thing
>"in RPGs".
They actually just mean it's a thing they find obnoxious
>"in the general sphere of fantasy art and media I'm familiar with, which I associate with RPGs because - since the generic RPG setting is some kind of vague fantasy kitchen-sink mishmash - therefore the vague fantasy kitchen-sink mishmash created by lumping all that media together must be the generic RPG setting."

>>49548658
I don't have the pictures tha show it but Japan's fuckery goes way before the radiation. There's Japanese paintings about stuff like a woman getting tentacle raped. The nukes aren't the reason for Japan's autism. It was self grown.

>>49546705
All hail the gypsy swordwitch, Schlikia!

Is plateskirt ZR impractical?

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>>49546396
nope.
women love being sluts.
men love that women love being sluts.
its a win win for everyone.

the only people that hate skimpy armor are regressive leftists that subscribe to dworkinist feminism. and dworkin was proven wrong in everything she ever said.

>>49546802
Mfw when even the planets behind him have muscle definitions

>>49548979
I hate this picture because although it's obviously an ironic jab they forgot to choose an image without the fuckoff massive shield making most of those complaints moot.

>>49549057
>my face when when

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>>49549076
I find a lot of people who want "Practical armor" seem to forget shields or helmets exist.

It's like they expect armor to work like a shirt and pants and aren't comfortable wearing anything else. It's not about protection, it's about modesty.

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Case in point, this armor.

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>>49549483
Is functionally identical to this armor. The only difference is one was made by a society that doesn't think women need to wear pants.

>>49549491
Well, there is some defensive advantage to heavy cloth, isn't there? And I honestly hope it rarely gets cold wherever she's fighting.

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>>49549712
The author is spanish, so I assume some sort of southern European climate.

People from that region of the world ran around in skirts for thousands of years before they decided to switch to pants. If she was used to it, climate won't be a problem.

YOU have a hard time imagining people dressing like that because you've spent your entire life wearing pants. but somebody who's used to dressing like that won't have a problem.

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>>49549483
here is a real world example of armor that is more skimpy than that.

>>49549712
she lives int he tropics

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>>49549821
You don't even have to live in the tropics. You just have to not be a wimp.

>>49548979

I don't like skimpy armor because my players act like they should get a Charisma bonus for getting an AC bonus. Or that it should be lighter. You can flavor your armor however you want but it doesn't magically get better stats.

>>49549879
Sounds like your players are just munchkins.

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>>49546439
This.

It's fantasy. It can be whatever you want it to be. Fuck what other people think of it - if you think chainmail bikinis are the shit and have enough other people who can at least tolerate it in a game, then run with it. If you'd rather have "realistic" armor, do it. Both? Fuck it, why not? Neither? I said fucking DO IT.

People keep forgetting that "fantasy" isn't one big genre. It's an unfortunately large umbrella term that covers a lot of things. Who cares what outsiders think of it? Fantasy isn't made for them. RPGs weren't made for them. If they want an RPG suited to their tastes they can buy some rulebooks and dice and get to it like we had to.

Too many people think of fantasy as just one narrow definition, and too many people care about what the previous people think of their hobby.

Pic unrelated.

>>49549901

I have observed a correlation between the people who want their characters to be sexy, or like any variety of anime character, and munchkin assholes.

I've definitely had games that were more pulp altogether, and skimpy armor was just the only available armor, and that works. But I've never had someone inject it into a standard game who wasn't a shit in general. Just a correlation though.

>>49547525
You forgot your face.

>>49548092
Are you 12? You sound like you're 12.

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>>49548825

Jill Ling Schlikia

>>49546396
fun

>>49546478
>A speck of dust compared to the mudslide that we, fans and players of TG, throw into fantasy gaming's reputation every day.
i am not aware of any such thing. but then again i can't judge the situation in the USA.

>>49548346
low energy anon has no confidence in bikini armor fighter's superior fighting skill to avoid hurt. bikini armor is a way to flaunt your skill.

>>49548803
t. urotsukidoji 2 fan

>>49548979
>the world works along clear and simple patterns
ok

>>49552228
Why not just go with a cloth bikini, then? Seems cheaper and more comfortable.

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>>49552259
Not as much bling.

>>49546396
Disgusting neckbeards were a mistake. Bikini armor is just a consequence of them.

>>49552259
fashion. documenting fighter status.

>>49549921

listen here shitlord. Fantasy is more about making whatever you want, It's MY escape. I won't have you misogynists ruin it for me with your fucking neck beards and small dicks getting hard over objectifying women in MY hobby.

>>49552647
why is revealing armor "misogyny"
or is misogyny just a euphemism for "i dont like thing"

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>>49552647
no, it's MY escape, not yours. your wants and needs are worthless compared to mine.

>>49552749
that anon is trolling/counter-trolling/triple-hungarian-reverse-trolling. Don't be the guy who thinks everything said on 4chan is seriously believed.

>>49546890
It depends on whether your neice is a boy or a girl. If it's a boy, it's creepy/inappropriate/bad parenting. If it's a girl, then either it's fine or she gonna be a whore.

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>>49552892
>whether your niece is a boy or a girl

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>>49549483
>>49549491
Tbh, women wearing pants was the worst idea ever.

>>49548803
Living in your own little secluded island world will do that. Hell, it's probably half the reason Aussies are so fucked up.

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>>49552192
Neither can I. But as this thread shows, fantasy gamers can be the worst propaganda to the hobby.

Thankfully, it's mostly confined to the digital world.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a good example either, growing up with a father which read frankstein-girl necrophilia comics, but he taught me to behave like a normal person when in public.

>>49552788
>>49552749
It was painfully obvious sarcasm you mentally challenged idiots.

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>>49553188
>Tbh, wearing pants was the worst idea ever.
FTFY

>>49549712
Heavy cloth is one of the fundamental parts of the armor, and it has definite defensive advantages, yes. A thick padded layer will stop most sword cuts and provide a large amount of cushioning. Despite what that anon claims, the former armor is going to underperform compared to the latter because it has almost no padding between metal and skin, severely diminishing its protective value. A sword blow that would have been harmless will cause bruising, otherwise harmless grazes will now cause cuts, she'll get scratches and bruises from falling that will add up quickly, and that's not even getting into the complications that would result from a mace driving steel armor into bare flesh rather than padded clothn.

>>49549821
The balls hanging out pushes this firmly into the magical realm.

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>>49553720
Or she could just, develop thicker skin due to spending more time outdoors with exposed skin.

>>49552892
There's a name for that family relationship with a boy. It's called a "nephew".

>>49553768
Why in all the world would you leave THAT exposed?

>>49546396
Revealing clothes lets the viewer judge a person's physical beauty easily. A good waist to hip radio, no scars or blemishes, just enough body fat to survive having a parasite grow inside her? This woman is valuable.
A full hairline, broad jaw, big strong hands and a stout back? This mas is valuable.

Disliking beauty says more about you than anything else. You're either not beautiful and trying to rationalize your lack of value trough nonsense "virtue", or you're ill and unable to recognize and cherish beauty markers because your body has given up on procreating.

>>49547492
And we know which group you belong to.

Pro tip: Never listen to women.

>>49553610
As a person who has gone bushwhacking in places with biting insects I disagree.

>>49546396
This image is a goddess, and its not from an RPG it's from a videogame called Smite. This is also outdated, the model was updated months ago.
It's much worse now.

>>49553795
that isn't how skin works. Skin does not literally become armor because you get it leathery and shit.

>>49556672
>>49546396
It's also Freya, a literal goddess of Beauty and Fertility.

So yes, the fuck goddess is wearing skimpy armor. Shocker.

>>49546396
I am personally of the opinion that armor is for the field or the dungeon, that skimpy outfits are for goofing off in town, and never the twain shall meet; but I don't particularly begrudge others their enjoyment of that sort of thing.

>>49546396

No, Who Cares, Yes

>>49546396
But where is Freya's big, meaty cock?

>>49546396
Pauldrons did far more damage to fantasy than chainmail bikinis.

>>49546396
Skimpy armor is fine. Hell I'm cool with just running into battle with naught but a smile.

High heels can get urethrally fucked with a cactus though.

>>49557485
This is a man who understands Smite.

>>49556335
>doesn't go into every fight literally balls out

How will you ever be hotblooded otherwise?

>>49549491
>functionally identical
lol ok buddy

>>49546396
yeah dude playing make believe with dice had such a great reputation before bikini armor lmfao

>>49546802
lol even in victory this guy straight up gives no shits

>>49546873
Are also fine.

>>49548346
How will I survive? I don't intend to get hit in the first place. If you even touch me, it's because I allowed it.

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>>49546439
This
>>49548182
also this
for me it depends entirely on the setting and I have played in plenty of both "Sword and Sorcery" and "animu boob plate" aesthetics including a late bronze early iron age supers setting where one character went around nude
I'm not going to police my players thoughts, if they want to picture their characters like pic related who am I to judge

>>49557881
>Those fucking boots
They could at least go for sandals.

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>>49546396
The people who autistically care about this shit are the same people who make table top gaming less fun for everyone.

>>49558164
b-but muh historical realism! 'cause dragons and planar travel are totally historically accurate!

>>49558109
look at the girl's feet

dude doesn't know how to draw 'em and is trying to hide it

>>49552892
>If it's a boy, it's creepy/inappropriate/bad parenting.
>If it's a girl, then either it's fine or she gonna be a whore.

Get out of here with your double standards.

>>49552892
>if it's a girl, then it's either good or bad

yes, "X is either true or false" is generally a pretty safe assumption.

>>49557687
>doesn't use his +5dex on hooker heels
What a fag.

>>49550009
>triggered

>>49553561
Is it? There are people who genuinely believe that shit, they are genuinely bothered by the idea of sexy women in games even if they're not in games they'll ever play. And people take them seriously for some reason.

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>>49556646
You are, a pussy.

>>49556675
It doesn't become armor, but it does become resistant to minor scratches, and unlike cloth it is capable of healing itself. It also won't become waterlogged and give you trench-foot. People who live in tropical rain forests full of thorns and bugs do just fine without pants.

>>49557729
Tell me again how those pikemen are protecting their limbs, groin, and stomach.

>>49558754
>Butthurted.

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Personally I think there needs to be more slut wear in games

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>>49559632
Eh, that's a bit too far. This is more my speed.

>>49558217
For some reason loincloth barbarians wearing boots trigger my autism.

>>49559813
Stepping on rocks fucking hurts, man

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>>49546396
>Someone keeps making retarded threads about ''How to get more wimminz into Tabletop'' and ''How to fix Tabletop''
>People still claim /tg/ isnt seeing an influx of Social Justice Retards

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>>49549483

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>>49553188

>>49560338
We are having an influx of social justice retard. Singular.

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>>49558195
Who are you to say it isn't so!?
It just wasn't documented!
JUST YOU WAIT UNTIL I CONTACT SATAN

>>49560338

They're trolling, you idiot. They're trolling you, specifically, because people who get triggered by social justice bullshit are really easy to troll.

>>49558884
>Tell me again how those pikemen are protecting their limbs, groin, and stomach.
The heavy cloth was actually a (limited) form of protection against the primitive weapons they were up against, not to mention the fact that you're going to want some kind of covering for bare skin when using powder weapons of any kind. That's in addition to the usual benefits of wearing clothing when in an unfamiliar environment so you don't pick up nicks and ailments that you may not be able to recognize.

Ain't nothing wrong with skimpy armor.
Calling fetish art "completely realistic and functionally identical to actual pieces" is silly. Of course it's not functionally identical, unless you think clothing has no practical purpose and is merely about protecting modesty.

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Who the fuck needs plated pants when you can look just as good without them?

Call of Cthulhu never had this debate. Perhaps it's just D&D that is shit.

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>>49560773
But I digress, I get my rocks off more on ladies in full plate than skimpy armor. Your move.. feminists

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>>49560798
I'm with this guy.

I admit I tend to surround my Character in Skyrim with smoking hot bitches, but I make sure they wear actual good looking and functional sets, not shit like
>>49559665
sure, it's hot but I can't have something like that walking beside me in a fucking arctic wasteland during a blizzard without cringing the fuck out

>>49558884
They don't protect all of that with armour. Their chestplates are specialised to defend against cavalry, and are useless against other infantry.

>>49547328
It's just power fantasy

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>>49561068
Here you go bruv

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>>49560551
>Thinly veiled ''PEOPLE WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT SJWS ARE AS BAD AS SJWS''

Get out, turbocuck

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>>49560524
>>49560512
you are like a little baby watch this

>>49548979
>>49549471
>bronze age armor
>when most fantasy settings use medieval period as baseline
LOL

>>49556562
You might be beautiful but you are definitely very retarded.

>>49546396
I dislike them if only because it makes it hard for me to carry RPG books in public if they have them.

>>49549954
well your experiences definitely cover all of humanity

>>49546439
SJW, clearly.

>>49552892
QED.

>>49563058
>"makes it hard to carry RPG books in public"

Are you for real? Are you actually underage?

Because if a fucking ADULT is unable to carry books in public because he is worried about pictures of clothed women society is fucked beyond all hope.

>>49563802
>worried about pictures of clothed women
do you even america?

>>49563058
Ignoring the fact that any reasonable adult wouldn't care, why wouldn't you have your books in a bag?

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Settings/games without bikini armor are bad. Settings/games without boob plate at the minimum are trash.

>>49563881

I love America, it's a country where you can turn on the TV and watch talking heads complain about sexual immorality or how we need to be less judgemental, and on another channel you see little girls in bikinis strutting their stuff while their old hag mothers squeal from the audience.

This is a society that casually sexualizes children, but at the same time condemns sexualization of children. It's weird!

>>49563921
It's almost like a country can have different demographics that find different things acceptable.

>>49558884
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnat
They just don't live in such places as Siberia, where pretty hot in summer and swarms of mosqitoes can drink you blood pretty fast.

>>49546396
>Were skimpy armors in RPGs a mistake?
yes, but now we're stuck with it because you can't undo shit like that, you just have to hope it'll phase itself out in favor of a less shitty more popular mistake

>>49556562

I thought I had read some pretty dumb posts ITT until I got to this one. Gonna be hard to top this.

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>>49561068

>>49560338
>fa/tg/uys complain about lack of women in gaming
>refuse to stop making misogynistic jokes and bathe

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>>49564954

>>49546396
I despise it because women in full armor is my fetish

People who bitch about skimpy armor are usually too damaged to be good roleplayers anyhow.

>>49546396
Honestly neckbeard LARPfags are even more triggered by muh armor than SJWs, case in point this thread. Since we can't yet genocide all realismfags, they deserve at least a severe triggering once in a while

>>49546396
Skimpy armor in an RPG is ok as long as it fits with the theme of the setting.

For example, I'd get butthurt if there was bikini armor in a game set in a medieval low fantasy looking for authenticity, but I could give less of a shit if your Night Elf Arcane rangers decide they want to do without clothes for whatever reason.

>>49561650
>Renaissance armor
>When most fantasy settings use medieval period as baseline.

Full plate wasn't invented until the 1500 hundreds, and was usually only worn by very high ranking people, or for jousting.

People in the middle ages wore chainmail. And they also had helmets and shields, which most people neglect.

It's just fun, anyone who is bothered by it really isn't worth the concern.

some people play games for the story value and game play, imagine that.

some play if there -is- a bikini or not.
this argument will be forever sided lol.

Cheesecake is stupid.

It's not that it's *wrong*, it's not that it's never appropriate, the problem is that it has become the default style for any female character in any fantasty story ever, including and especially female heroes, who consequently end up looking less like the ass-kickers they're supposed to be and more like the booth girls at conventions. Stupid.

Robert E Howard is a good example, his stories had damsels in distress for days, Conan had new bitches every story and they were always fair skinned and pure-hearted and helpless. But then he also wrote Black Agnes, who does nothing but drink booze and kick ass, while fully clothed. Because Howard knew the difference between heroes and bitches, and some of his bitches were men, and some of his heroes were women. That's how its supposed to be.

>>49565141
>Stupid.

Don't do that. It's not a good habit to develop. Sad.

>>49548643
>making sense

Leave.

>>49547492
There is no group for all is one!
There is no group for there is no difference!
There is no group for there is only the lowest form of humanity!

>>49552426
t. landwhale catlady

>>49560789
The OP said "RPGs". He never mentioned a specific system.

>>49563921
I would be far more concerned about a theoretical country in which every single person had the exact same beliefs about everything.

>>49564772
>>49561921
t. butthurt uggos

>>49564949
Women are the only ones complaining about women not being included. We're more than happy to have a place where we can get away from you.

>>49565141
Cheesecake is intrinsically good, a priori.

>>49559845
And that's why you wear sandals anon.

History isn't historically accurate.

>>49565513
No, that's why you wear boots.

>>49565421
Why, scared that you libcucks would have to move out if everyone else in the country believed in the truth instead of your socialist lies?

>>49565539
I'm making fun of the eurofags who can't comprehend that different Americans have different attitudes towards sexuality, because that implies that there exists some country where every single person feels the exact same way about a given issue.

This would be terrifying regardless of the specific issue or their opinion on it. And for the record, I'm in favor of slutty armor, and want to genocide catladies.

>>49564949
>Implying we care about Women in gaming.

People should enjoy the hobbies as they are, not whine about them until they cater to Women and their sensitive orbiters.

>>49546396
Anything fun taints your reputation

>>49565591

I think there are subtle things that all of us do which pass along both attitudes (sexualizing everything and also condemning sex). It isn't just prosex-vs-antisex, it's more complicated than that.

>>49565693
Correct. This is the nuance I was trying to get across, poorly.

>>49565458

A little is tasty, more is okay, too much makes you puke.

>>49565718
Nope, more is always better.

>>49559813
>be barbarian
>wear glorious loincloth of bravery
>turns out, raw muscle doesn't compensate for spears being heaved your way
>agility and evasion does though
>>>>>>>>>>running in sandals

>>49563921
>This is a society that casually sexualizes children, but at the same time condemns sexualization of children
WOOOOOOW, it's almost like they're not the same people!

>>49564949
>fa/tg/uys complain about lack of women in gaming

like fuck we do

male bonding spaces are vital in a feminised liberal world

>>49564949
I'm not wallowing in filth just to cater to you, lady. You can't stop me from bathing.

>>49546396
No, no, yes
Though tastes may vary depending on the individual and/or level of skimpyness

>>49560773
>a two handed sword breaker
for what purpose

>>49566479

I don't think there is any shortage of male bonding spaces in the society I see (Maine and Florida, U.S.).

I certainly don't see a liberal feminized world anywhere here, I think you're just a whine-ass.

There's nothing wrong with specifically wanting a male bonding space, though. I don't even think its wrong to specifically say "Sorry, the Thursday game is guy-time" when a girl asks to join. Your feelings aren't wrong. But its an ugly situation because there are girls who just want to be one of the guys and you're really shitting all over her parade when you say that, and her feelings aren't wrong either, you have a right to say no but she also has a right to be super upset about it.

Unless you're talking about the hobby and gaming culture and broader things like that, e.x. you think your FLGS or some other public gaming space should be "male bonding space" and hostile to women, in which case I shit in your mother's hair and dangle my nuts on your forehead, you are an asshole.

I don't really think most gamers specifically "complain about lack of women", you're right there. Also a lot of women play in all- or mostly-female groups and call it "girl time" so its not like it's just the guys doing it.

>>49567407

Are sword-breakers usually paired with a weapon? Or is it that you think a two-handed sword breaker is ineffective? It looks pretty damned effective to me, assuming you outnumber the enemy.

>>49567711

Sword breakers are parrying daggers and really only work on thinner "fencing-style" blades and thrust-heavy environments. Truth told they didn't really do much breaking but were really for binding up the blade and rendering it useless during close engagement and if damage to the blade happened, it happened.

A two-hander would imply a different style of fighting to begin and would probably be up against other two handers, which would not be as easy to bind or damage. It would also lose the ability to bind with one blade and to finish with the other. If you were looking for a two hander capable of restricting a larger weapon something more like a Sasumata would be more appropriate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasumata1.JPG

>>49560551
/co/ thought is was just trolling too, now it's a shitty brew of /tv/ and tumblr where you cannot even discus comics and cartoons without triggered whales whining..

>>49567711
I feel like outnumbering the enemy does a lot to make pretty much anything more effective.

Women love dressing like whores IRL, don't really see the problem.

t. lover of whores

>>49561412
It's true though. Its just people going out of their way to get mad.

Unless they're actually reacting to something that found them, like some dumbass flyer at their college or whatever.

>>49565723
Skimpy body armor with heavily protected limbs is the best. Gladiators had it right.

>>49556621
>Pro tip: never listen to anyone, especially yourself
FTFY

>>49561412
Just become someone made a comic about something, It doesn't make their point any better. The character in the comic makes a better point than the comic in itself.

>>49568534
My nigga.

>>49567687
A girl can't be one of the guys though (unless she's one of "those"), and she will never ever experience male bonding time because as soon as she enters the room, it suddenly becomes the oh-my-god-guys-stop-acting-like-assholes-there's-a-woman around. Does it suck for her? Sure. You know who it sucks more for? The group of guys that once again lost their chance to have a male-only meeting.

>tfw I mentally translate the other female characters description into a skimpy version

A man's imagination is a powerful thing.

>>49564949
You don't want women in gaming.
If you have a partner, bitches at the LGS will only cause drama and strain your relationship.
If you don't have a partnet you won't get one because fatty patty now attends you LGS, because she'll come with a whole horde of orbiters who won't stop attacking every other male in the room in a failed attempt to appear attractive to her.
The kind of women who already play games are welcome, the kind of women who don't like games as they are will not contribute anything to gaming and in fact will make it worse.

>>49546396
Skimpy armor is not that bad. It's just an overused cliche. People who trying to defend it by creating reasonable scientific or magical explanations for it, on the other hand...

>>49565141
Women exist to get pregnant. Being pretty is their highest virtue, and things like cheesecake display it best.

>>49568691
Skimpy armor is a non-problem, it doesn't even exist in current shows or media unless extremely lampshaded and haven't been relevant for like 20 years, people just love to bitch.

>>49565063
>try Dungeon Siege 3, can't be that bad
>HUGE PLATE ARMOR NO HELMET NO HELMETS ALLOWED
yeah forget that

>>49564949
I've never actually seen a fa/tg/guy complain about a lack of women in gaming.

People who produce content for it ponder it for a bigger market share, but no one else really cares.

>>49546396
yes

>>49568971
Frazetta is so much better than Vallejo, holy shit

>>49568580

No, you're completely wrong. When you talk about "guy time" you are talking about a particular kind of stereotypically-male culture. There is no reason why women can't be part of those cultures. I've known plenty of women who did so, and you probably have too, if you and your friends hadn't prejudged them for their gender.

"oh-my-god-guys-stop-acting-like-assholes-there's-a-woman-around". That is the sound of you and your friends prejudging a woman. I mean, no one is going to make you associate with someone who makes you feel uncomfortable, and I know you can't just choose to feel differently overnight, it isn't that simple (no matter how some progressives make it sound). But it sucks. It doesn't have to be this way, we should all be looking past each others' sex and treating individuals according to their individual personality, there's no reason why we can't except for old habits and the failure to question them.

>>49569346
>pheromones can disappear if you just want them to

>>49569080
>"I KNEW there was something odd about Dernhelm."

>>49569346
They are really old habits. They are really, really extremely old habits. You might call them... instincts. Yeah, humans are sexually dimorphic, go figure.
>prejudging
You mean RESPONDING TO INSTINCT. Instinct that we respond to differently in different cultures, yes, but it's not like you can just pray it away. A woman walking into a room full of men will upset their social balance and vice versa, however progressive they may be, because of how we are physically formed. Evolution isn't skin-deep, baby.

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>>49568752

The female iconics (and most of the art for female NPCs) are pretty depressing. Most of them, with one or two exceptions if you count the loli elf, are all the same kind of big-titty pinup girl with clothes that show off their assets.

Also, this is one of the only unattractive human females that M:tG has ever printed. Mother of Runes. Uh, the old lady on the porch in Battle for Zendikar, the one pretending everything is okay. It's a short list.

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>>49567687
>there are girls who just want to be one of the guys
Jesus fuck what the fuck for?

>>49569492
>>49569492

You're deluding yourself. Your attitude towards women isn't hard-codes, that's just something people say when they don't want to take responsibility for their attitudes. "Dur, I can't help it". Yes you can.

People see a woman walk into a male group, they see people react in various ways, they get used to those reactions, they repeat and perpetuate those reactions. That's all it is. It's social instinct, learned behavior, and if you associate with better people you will find that a great many of them have unlearned it. They take responsibility for their prejudices and they choose to be the change that they want to see. Or they make up excuses and keep the bad habits going. Its that simple.

Your theory, that it is hard-coded biology and that you can't argue with it, this theory hinges on the non-existence of people like me and my friends. You are being very silly.

>>49553610
>Ancient Minoan Eric Idle brings news from the outland!

>>49569601
You'd act differently if a woman walked in and joined your previously all-male group, in the same way that you'd act differently if your boss walked in and joined you, or if your mom walked in and joined. You're right about people not being 100% biologically hard-coded robots, but you can't deny that this changes the social dynamic of the group, and in this case does so in a way that can very easily be detrimental to the group's original purpose.

>>49569529

I dunno. Fantasy gaming is about the only male passtime I'm into. Also drinking beer and talking about politics (which seems to be the male version of drinking wine and complaining about life). Personally I've always wanted to be one of the girls and been excluded because I'm not a gay dude. Again, I don't blame women for prejudging me, or for feeling less able to relax and enjoy girl's night with a male present. That's just how they were conditioned. But it sucks.

Then there are other people who look at me, and see a sweet but very opinionated old lady with a giant beard, which is much closer to how I see myself, and then I have an awesome time around them. It's not a transgender thing, I don't get that kind of dysphoria, it's just that some guys are annoyed by other guys and get along better with girls doing girl things, meanwhile some girls are annoyed by other women, and would rather be playing wargames and making fart jokes.

>>49569601
You seem awfully self-assured about your morality. On what basis do you justify your condemnation of traditional moral codes? Keep in mind that "not being a horrible person" does not count, "common human decency" does not count, I'm asking you why you think it's a "better" way to be, that alternative habits are "bad."

>>49560680
>heavy cloth
This is not D&D.

>primitive weapons
Those dudes were facing the cream of the crop before gunpowder started dominating completely.

Granted, the armour might not be entirely historical. I can't confirm that. But even then it's very close to what was worn at the time.

>>49569685

I would act differently if any new person joined my group. If it was a woman I would make a set of assumptions about her, because those assumptions are usually right, but I would be conscious of those assumptions, I understand that those are just a placeholder until I can actually get to know the person who is in front of me.

>you can't deny

I can and I am. I don't expect you to believe me, you've already decided that your silly preconceptions are genetic and there's nothing you can do about them. But, yes, this is exactly what I'm saying.

>very easily be detrimental to the group's original purpose

Any person can do that, it doesn't have anything to do with their gender, and making it about gender is childish.

>>49569741

Because you look at a person who could totally be one of your bros, and you reject that possibility based on what is between their legs. You missed out on a bro. it's not "immoral", it's just worse, you miss out and so does she.

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>>49548055
>>49548070
Manwhore-approved

>>49569810
>between their legs
You mean "inside of every cell in their body."

>>49548070
>what do you mean "the God of Love can't have Paladins"?

>>49569810
It's not "immoral" but you're a better person if you don't do it?

>>49569080
This power leotard lady is ironically better protected than most "muh full plate" dykes in this thread because she's actually wearing a helmet and has a shield.

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>>49568423

Well, yes, but especially with non-lethal weaponry. One person can afford to focus all their efforts on disabling enemy offense while their friends take them down. Look at the lady with the two-handed swordbreaker, and imagine her as part of a sort of special forces unit, designed to bring down high level fighters via superior numbers and tactics. It makes sense to me.

Pic related, a weapon designed for a specific situation in which you outnumber the enemy and want to take them alive, very good in that context, sort of a shitty weapon in any other context.

>>49569810
Why are you trying to destroy my culture's definition of brotherhood? It's intrinsically male. That is our way.

By the way, we call gender-neutral friendships "friendships."

>>49569918
The one on the right looks like it could do some damage in any context.

>>49569346
Nobody, not even fags, will stop threating an attractive woman like anything other than an attractive woman no matter how much she asks to be "one of the guys".

>>49568538
No, it was fine the way it was.

>>49569505
Ugly people are a bane on reality and don't desserve representation.

>>49568545
>this is what sjws actually believe

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>>49569810
The people who clamor the most for other people to include them in previously private spaces are not and are never going to be 'bros'. They are not interested in joining your space for the same reasons you are interested in maintaining it.

>>49568691
Cliches are good.

>>49569981
No one. It invited itself, and is now demanding that we adjust to better fit it's sensibilities.

>>49568881
>he wants his character's face to be invisible

what a fag

>>49569601
>Beta orbiters pretend they don't want to fuck every woman who pays attention to them, so that means you can stop threating women like meat!
No, that just means you're a creepy little guy who doesn't even respect women enough to let them know your true intentions. You're worse than Chad and Tyrone.

>>49569505
That isn't depressing.

>>49569601
No one has un-learned their reactions, including you. You're exactly the same as everyone else.

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>>49570020
>he wants his character's face to be unchangeable
Everybody come look at this loser.

>>49569772
It is about gender, because men are inherently better than women.

>>49569981
People who keep excusing it with "it's just le trolling lol".
We gotta kick the shitters /out/ or we'll end like /co/ and /v/.

>>49569860

My point does not depend on any system of morals or moral authority, it depends on the assumption that you want to make awesome friends and have awesome adventures with them.

I do think people have a moral authority to self-betterment, if something is better for yourself and for others then doing that this is Better. I'm not going to *deny* that, it just isn't my main point. Also I'm staying away from moral authority, because I know there are people who genuinely can't get over their conditioning, and will feel uncomfortable around people based on their race or gender, and can't help it even though they try. I'm not trying to shit on those people. Women and minorities aren't the only ones who are allowed to have issues, your feelings are valid, and fuck anyone who tries to tell you that you are morally obligated to do something that makes you uncomfortable.

But don't tell me that your petty prejudices are hard-coded instincts which all humans share. Fuck that noise. Take responsibility for your issues.

>>49569830

More bullshit. You don't blood-test your friends before you make up your mind how to treat them. You don't *care* what is in every cell in their body. You don't care if someone is a chimera or an XXX or an XXY. And honestly you really don't even care what is between their leg, because in most cases you never interact with that either, you just think you do. You will probably meet a FtM at some point in your life and treat him like a man and not give a single shit unless by some accident you find out that they have a vagoo. This isn't about cellular biology and you know it, it's about social constructs.

>>49570077
>he wants to change his face
Must suck not already being perfect in all ways.

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>>49552647

>>49570142
Prejudices are hard-coded instincts. Tribalism is necessary for survival.

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>>49570142
>My point does not depend on any system of morals or moral authority
>but I know what is awesome better than you do
>I know what being a better person is
>I know what's petty prejudice that you should take responsibility for
>but I don't claim any moral authority
I didn't ask you whether or not you claimed moral authority. You did. It was obvious. I asked you why you think your morality is better than mine.

>>49570142
>the FtMs are passable meme

I come here to talk about little plastic men and funny shaped dice. If you crypto-cuck-conservitards and hand wringing liberal faggots could SHUT THE FUCK UP AND ENJOY YOUR SILLY POWER FANTASIES

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Are bodysuits armor?

>>49570244
Why don't you make us little bitch?

>>49570142
Wait, where do you think social constructs come from? Did they just float into society like some sort of mist? They're based on, eventually, cellular biology, and you know it.

And I do blood-test everyone I meet. They sweat, pheromones enter my nose, my body produces hormones in response. Unless you have one of a few rare disorders, that happens to you, too.

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>>49570288
Do they provide any protection?
If yes, yes
If no, no

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>>49570244
>implying I'm not doing both

>>49570293
I would, but I missed the ferry to the island of gigantic faggots

>>49570343
Guess you'll have to wait for the next one to get home, faggot.

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>>49570305
Why else would you wear them in combat if not for protection?

>>49570364
Toot toot all about the faggot boat!
> this entire thread

>>49570225

Morality deals with how we should treat each other. I am not making any statement to the effect that you owe anything to anyone. You don't owe women any sense of inclusion. It's the same reason that you don't owe anyone sex, you can say "I am only attracted to blue-eyed blond haired white women of protestant descent, and I am physically disgusted by black people". This is not immoral, its just your taste. D&D is similarly a thing that we do consensually for mutual fun, and you can prefer whatever features you want in your D&D-partners, and I don't believe in any moral grounds for condemning this. I don't condemn it. I'm just saying it sucks.

Everyone has their issues. But, in the event that you can rise above your issues, you and others will have more fun. Fun is good. We all want to have more fun.

I'm not saying that your fun is the same is mine, because your issues are not the same as mine. Okay, how about we talk about me. Deep down I feel like women are real people and men are big, gross, violent version of real people. That's one of my issues, and I take responsibility for it, and my life is much *better* because I have taken responsibily for that issue. It would be very easy to say, "Oh, I'm hard-coded to feel confrontational with them because I'm a male too". But I choose not to make excuses, I choose to put real conscious effort into treating men fairly and seeing them for who they really are, and I can speak from personal experiences to tell you that my life would be *so* much *SHITTIER* if I did not do that. I would miss out on so many great experiences and my perspective would be so much narrower if I hadn't had my male friends.

>>49570288
I hope so!

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>>49570403
Style?

>>49570409
Saying something sucks is condemning it. Try again.

>>49570403
>Needing protection
What is it like being such a mediocre fighter?

>>49546396
On the one hand they aggro'ed SJWs on the other hand that was an inevitability. So I guess not.

>>49570297

Social constructs come from social constructs which come from social constructs. Everything about our physical reality influences them, because society is made out of people, who are influenced by everything, including their own cellular biology. But this does not prove that your favorite social constructs are somehow genetically justified, let alone genetically pre-determined. Your genes did not cause you to believe in this social constuct, you believe it because you inherited it from other people who believed in it.

I don't think you know what a pheremone is. You're just making shit up to prop up your pre-existing beliefs.

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>>49570517
Is this you?

>>49570403
Women wear alluring combat dress in art not because the artist assumes a beautiful woman must have beautiful armor - the battlefield is no place for a woman, beautiful or not. muh shield maiden skeletons Women wear alluring combat dress because they are symbols, symbols of endurance, symbols of rage, symbols of victory. Boobplate pictures are depictions of goddesses, idealizations of concepts.

>>49570552
nope, I have more of a beef jerky texture

>>49570409
You're missing the point, completely missing the point. Why are you saying my morality is an "issue" that I should "rise above," or even that your misandry is one you should rise above? What is that based on? I know you believe it, but why?

>>49570467

Saying that something sucks is not *morally* condemning it, you rhetorically dishonest shitbiscuit.

Cancer sucks. I just condemned cancer. That's not the same as morally condemning people who have cancer.

>>49570543
It's social constructs all the way down, boys.

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>>49570568
So in short, what >>49570428 said

>>49570586
That's an asinine comparison. You are physically condemning cancer patients because cancer is physical, and they should probably get it treated and not say "nooo my tumor preference" because cancer sucks. In the same way, you are morally condemning people who hold those attitudes you dislike, telling them that their morality is defective and they should get it treated.

>>49570583

It is because (for the third or fourth time) you are missing out on good people.

If you really truly can't have a rad bromance with a gamer chick that shares your interests, well, that is what it is. You gain nothing by pretending otherwise. She is, regardless of the reasons, not a person whom you will enjoy in that way.

I speak to the possibility that you COULD have a rad bromance and are simply being held back by your unexamined assumptions about gender. In this scenario you are missing out. Rad bromance is better than no rad bromance.

>>49570586
Yes, because cancer isn't an activity that people engage in that requires agency.

Condemning an activity is the same as condemning anyone who participates in that activity.

If you add a layer of cloth to most "skimpy armors," they become quite viable in actuality.

>>49570630
No one can have a bromance with a gamer chick, including you. Any denial of this fact is simply you attempting to convince yourself.

>>49570630
>unexamined
I examined my assumptions about gender and came to a different conclusion than you did. Why must you assume that anyone who does not believe as you do is simply ignorant?

>>49570652
They cease being skimpy armors then.

>>49570627

Cancer is a bad situation. Missing out on a friendship which you would have enjoyed is a bad situation. I'm not morally condemning anyone, and at this point I no longer have any good faith in your argument, I think that you have chosen to employ the strawman fallacy and will continue to address me as though I am morally condemning people.

>>49570652
Armor is viable if the author declares that it is viable.

>>49570677
>missing out on friendships is bad
Prove it.

>>49548070
champion_of_slannesh.jpg

>>49546396
Any 'taint' on fantasy can only last for a decade or so, because things are new, become considered standard, and then become tropes and old hats, and become abandoned.

>>49570703
And then they get re-used, and the cycle continues.

>>49570674
True, but that doesn't stop it from being hot, y'know.
For example, ever see those Flemish and German pikemen?
They cut and tore up their clothing and padding underneath to expose the thighs, sometimes the ass, maybe the dick, y'know.

>>49570689
This too, I guess.

>>49558884
They don't fight with swords either.

You know, armor was mostly used for that. The really pointy, cutting thing.

>>49570664

That's fair.

I think that a lot of people make silly claims about genetics in order to avoid examining their prejudices. Ex, "It's not an attitude that I can change, it's hard-coded instinct!" I think there are people in this thread who are like that and these are the ones I accuse of not examining their prejudices.

Of course I accept that one can examine the issue and come to a different conclusion, I was talking about a specific kind of person, I wasn't making a blanket statement about everyone that disagrees with me.

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>>49570674
Consider the following

>>49570630
You stupid fuck, OF COURSE one could find that one single chick that actually is interesting enough to talk to, but the big problem is that
a) She will want to bone you
or more likely
b) You will want to bone her
or even more likely
c) All your thirsty ass male friends want to bone her
which is one of the great things about having a meetup with male friends, i.e. people who aren't there to try and fuck someone (inb4 fags). People who you also share a lot of similarities with, share experiences with, who you've known for god knows how long. Why ruin that shit by introducing a woman that will just ruin the whole evening, even if that wasn't her intention (even though a frightingly large amount of them live for creating drama)? It's basic risk analysis.

>>49570677
But you are, that's literally the definition of what you're doing. You're even morally condemning me because I disagree with you. "Bad faith" and "intellectually dishonest" always come out when you can't understand the question.

>>49570732
You were making a blanket statement, you're just backpedaling now that you've been caught. If nobody had called your bullshit you wouldn't have said anything.

>>49570732
>I think that a lot of people make silly claims about [thing] in order to avoid examining their prejudices
Sounds familiar

>>49570742
How do her sleeves stay in place?

>>49570586
It actually is, if even in the "sucks to be you" way. You declare having cancer makes you worse than not having cancer.
This is what happens when a sanctimonious noob goes virtue signaling for the sake of moral panic. They end up contradicting themselves because they didn't think their narrative through.

>>49570732
No one claimed that genetics force men to be macho. The claim was that social dynamics change subtly in mixed groups and it can be nice to not have to deal with that. You're the one that ignored all middle ground.

>>49570789
>No one claimed that genetics force men to be macho
That's scientifically proven, though. Homosexuality is also genetic

>>49570748
You could just hang around with pathetic betas, then no one will talk about boning except for the gamer chick and her Chad boyfriend she found who knows where, and the betas will masturbate and die alone after chiding anonymous imageboard users for not being egalitarian heroes like they are.

>>49570755

"I speak to the possibility that you COULD have a rad bromance and are simply being held back by your unexamined assumptions about gender"

There is no possible way to construe this as a blanket statement, especially when it comes directly after me explicitly acknowledging the alternative.

>>49570752

I'm not morally condemning you for disagreeing with me, I am morally condemning you for disagreeing with me dishonestly.

I did not condemn the decision to not game with women, I bemoaned the situation of people sharing interests and not being able to get along, and I have explained this too many times and too clearly for me to think that you have simply misunderstood. You are arguing dishonestly.

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Reading this thread I'm curious, has anyone experience any problems IRL with women or their inclusion to the game?
I mean, females that ant to be there and are not dragged around by/stalking their boyfriends.

>>49570818
Of course you're going to claim we're being dishonest, that's so much easier than examining your own prejudices.

>>49570808
Yeah, but you can have genetics asking you to be macho and then get caught in a toxic cultural structure where you think being macho is bad and you can watch things like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFoBaTkPgco without cringing, and you'll practically conduct the castration yourself.

>>49570823
There is no such thing as women that want to be there. They don't exist.

>>49570818
I was very honestly disagreeing with you. I do not want rad bromances with gamer chicks because they are not rad bros. You are telling me that I am not achieving the Summum Bonum because I do not believe in rad bromances with women.

It's just the female power fantasy, if they think men want to look like he Man then it only makes sense a female wants an attractive equivalent. Not to mention it also panders to our need to see tits and ass.

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>>49570770
It's magic, i ain't gotta explain shit
It's probably attached to the elbow gloves or someshit

>>49570886
Thanks for that astounding and insightful contribution to the thread that definitely hasn't already been covered in over 300 posts.

>>49570902
I'll allow it.

also
>armor knight
>law wizard
best fucking classes I've ever seen

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>>49570886
I am the only one that would't call what He-Man and this >>49558123
Conan-esque guy is wearing an armor?

Since when are bear-underpants considered armor?

>>49570902
best guess for this image is "no title" can anybody help a nigga out

>>49570941
In a sense, literally any clothing can count as armor, varying only in the amount of protection it grants

>>49570958
meant to reply to >>49570931

>>49570958
>My armor is Normal Cloth, it provides protection against the elements and a /1/point/ reduction to piercing damage

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>>49570941
You're too far down the nigga hole for help. Have a cleric