Horus Heresy General /hhg/

I love Russ.

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2nd for spending time with the speciap people in your life.

>>49477868
I don't particularly care about him. I want book 8

>>49477881
yes
Signis Prime will be interesting. both the blood angels and actual 30k daemon rules.

Which supports an army that is an infantry-based army that is a good balance of shooting and melee better, a Librarian or Master of Signals?

>>49477899

> Both factions have Auxilia, Militia and Mechanicum
> Loyalists get Knights-Errant, Custodians and Sisters
> Traitors get Daemons, Cults and Scoria

Seems legit.

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Post your techmarines.

>>49477899
>30k daemon rules.
really?
do we have any indication of what they might look like?

>>49478320
no indication what so ever... but however they are most likely gonna have the usual daemonic units... just with new rules and "rites of war" to balance them against the space marine legions.

>>49477899
honestly why do people keep on thinking it's signus, at the weekender they said they weren't and instead doing a more irrelevant battle

>>49478271
Almost made me think you posted a working Joe in NL colors with that face of your Batmarine. Maybe it's my eyes, but that blue looks a little too thick for my tastes. But then again what do I know? I'm not a Magos, apothecary, or a even a Bearversor.

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IT'S NOT THICK I SWEAR

>>49478271
I was thinking of getting the Space Wolves Iron Priest since his armour mark looked very unspecific.

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Favourite Primarch!

Let's go!

Pic related, best primarch with worst haircut.

>>49478388
And this proves why I never will be a Bearversor, but I could still become an apothecary.

>>49478423
Still Russ. Still don't read BL novels.

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>>49478423
I'M A WILDCHILD
COME AND LOVE ME

>>49478423
There is nothing wrong with the Conan haircut.

>>49478423
pertuabo
>self insert4 autism
>master builder
>bros with magnus
>did what the emperor did, even though he knew he would be hated for it
just like magnus
>builds his own beep boops
>writes all the supplements, whilst getting vulkan and sanguinius to sculpt the minis by showing how fun the game is

>>49478450
headcanon trumps canon apparently, anyway he's a retard for following horus' plan rather than just send an ambassador

>>49478362
can i ask you where that has been said?

>>49478481
If the Emperor wanted the operation to be handled with care he wouldn't have sent the Space Wolves.

>>49478505
at the last weekender where they showed off the secutari, B'C weapon kits and all that jass

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>>49478423
i beg to differ on the worst haircut...

>>49478518
no what he wanted was to carefully remove magnus and bring magnus back to terra, and IF they had to DEFEND themseves, then they could

>>49478523
that's weird because i have literally seen this posted nowhere but here just now. you would think that people would be making a bigger deal about it...

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>>49475638
>they look like toys with the white/red.
The problem is that the WS scheme doesn't use complementary colors - the white is either neutral or yellowish (ivory), and the accent colors are too close to it on a color wheel. I don't think they look good with a cool white, but that would be the best way to get some contrast.

Also, bike/javelin-heavy armies are expensive in terms of money. They're practically a GBP per point.

>>49476083
The story I've heard is that Space Wolves were gray, but an early- or mid-'90s White Dwarf either printed them lighter or the darker gray wasn't photographing well so they used a lighter shade. Years later they wrote an Index Astartes article and just said that the darker gray was pre-Heresy and the blue-gray was post-Heresy.

>>49478531
He got that haircut just to fuck with girlyman's shitty empire.

>>49478551
I don't wanna give BoLS the ad revenue until they become a good site, but you can trawl through the archives there if you want.

>>49478423
Wait. I thought Meduson allowed you to bring Salamanders and Raven Guard unique units. But the book says he only counts as Salamanders and Raven Guard for Rites of War.

Was this errata'd or was the fa/tg/uy that said that exaggerating?

>>49478599
ok so i just trawled through it and all they had to say was that Signus "might not be book 8" sooo that means as much as a silent fart in the rainforest to me for the purposes of knowing what book 8 is. on top of that i just don't trust BoLS., it's such a shitshow for rumours, not to mention that it's a crap website...

>>49478546
The original version is that Horus the Warmaster -whos orders are just as valid as the Emperor's orders prior to the Heresy being outed- ordered Russ to take Magnus out and Russ being loyal to the chain of command did as ordered.

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>>49478531
Look at how upset he is.

It's blonde, so it's not even likely to be his real hair and he's still THAT upset.

>>49478518
I believe he assumed the operation of "Retrieve Magnus" didn't need the clarification of "Without murdering his Legion and invading his planet" because he expected basic competency. He also wasn't expecting Horus to stick his Chaosdick in what was supposed to be a slap on the wrist. It's Russ's fault for being a hotheaded faggot that always looking to teamkill.

>>49478653
I thought the original was that Leman proved to be the most persuasive Primarch and convinced Emps that Magnus was the traitor.

>>49478531
>implying Sanquinius isn't Corax in drag

>>49478697
>It's blonde, so it's not even likely to be his real hair and he's still THAT upset
He's been blonde in other art, but one novel said he had black hair. I like my Papa blonde.

>>49478702
In the version I remember, Magnus tried to contact the Emperor but couldn't. He then tried to break through the webway barrier to reach Terra and got some unholy assistance. As he breached the tunnel, daemons poured in and Magnus recoiled in horror. Emperor saw Magnus breaking through the tunnel with a horde of daemons and suspected Magnus had turned. He ordered Russ to destroy Magnus, and the rest is history.

Now it seems the Emperor ordered Russ to bring Magnus to justice and Russ, ever loyal to the word of the Emperor, decided to listen to Horus instead, who suggested to ignore the Emperor's orders and burn the whole planet down. With some assistance from Sons of Horus.

HH keeps adding chromosomes to primarchs with every issue.

>>49478764
I still think it's probably going to end up being one SoH with a camera, lawn chair, and popcorn watching the whole thing go down.

>>49478764
Russ is just a mess in the HH. I mean, I don't think he actually had a single decise victory in the entire Heresy:

1) Prospero was almost a draw with the Space Wolves losing almost as many men as the Thousand Sons, even though the wolves had the element of surprise and greater numbers on their side.
2) Bent over and ass-raped by the Alpha Legions
3) Bent over and Ass-raped by the Night Lords.

Ok, I haven't read everything, but do they ever get an actually decisive victory?

Disillusioned 40k player considering returning to HH for the hobby and maybe for some games if I can find fellow HH enthusiasts (I live in a medium City, but there's not much specialist hobby)

Really close to narrowing it down between Imperial Fists and Word Bearers. I'm worried about painting Fists, but I'm also not really interested in any of the special options or Daemons for WBs.

I do really like the fluff for both, and I'm drawn to Tac squads and Bolter Drill for Fists too.

Thoughts? Potential lists? Reassurances about painting IF?

>>49478809
But then you can't get non-SW/TS legions into the book, and that's not market appeal nor IP. I'm sure they'll find a way to stuff some allies for TS as well so that it's a great big punch-up between several legions.

>>49478822
Fists aren't as bad as people make them out. White Scars and Luna Wolves, now they are a fucking nightmare to get right. My paint refuses to not streak.

>>49478822
There's plenty of paint schemes around that aren't just yellow.

>>49478702
The version I know is that the Emperor ordered Russ to bring Magnus to him alive, but through warpcraft Horus got that message corrupted to "kill everything." Russ thought it was an order from the Emperor so he followed it. He'd probably done it before, after all. (At least with one of the two missing legions - I'm a fan of the theory that Molech, named after an old god that received human sacrifices, required the Emperor to feed it one of his sons in order to become as powerful as he became.)

>>49478812
>Prospero was almost a draw with the Space Wolves losing almost as many men as the Thousand Sons, even though the wolves had the element of surprise and greater numbers on their side.
That's a decisive victory. Being the attacker is always going to be costly.

>>49478822
Yellow spray paint as a base makes things much easier!

>>49479063
>required the Emperor to feed it one of his sons in order to become as powerful as he became.
Temporarily setting aside my hatred of the new chaosperor canon, the Primarchs were created long after the Emperor got his power boost.

>>49479090
I'm thinking along the lines of Rumpelstiltskin - promising your first-born.

OH WAIT

Maybe that's why the Chaos gods are mad at Emps that could be the deal he reneged on. That there was a deal at all has been hinted at for a long time, but with no clue as to what it was.

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>>49478822
There is a mostly black color scheme fo the Fists, if you don't want to paint a lot of yellow.

>>49478531

What is with artists and making everyone look like a troglodyte with awful hair?

The ringlet look is fucking terrible. Stick to the Fabio locks plzkthx.

>>49479084
A "Decisive" victory is fighting an enemy, overwhelming their forces and killing far more of them than they did of you. You know, that thing that everybody else has been having against the Wolves. Giving as good as you got is called a "Minor" or "Costly" victory.

>>49478531
>mfw the silhouette of his balls

I'm waiting for when we get more Omegon stories. He's intriguing with how he's sent his men on suicide missions, but is also less prideful than Alpharius and somehow "nicer" if you can call it that.

I've never played 30k, but how balanced is it compared to Warhammer 40k at the moment?

>>49479222
30k is 95% Space Marines, meaning that most armies are on an equal playing field. I don't know any truly game-breaking lists. The only real unbalances that I can tell you of is that the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus have pretty much nothing but the big guy himself going for them. All of their stuff is overcosted. Justaerins cost way more than regular Cataphractii's without giving any substantial bonus over the regulars, a Praetor can be upgraded to do the job of any named character for less than the name (A Praetor with Paragon Blade and Plasma Pistol does everything that Loken does (Plus is better at shooting) for less points than him.)

So, is this pretty much how Ferrus fights with his bare metal hands? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o5lj1Pgjruo
>>49479199
Why did you put that in my head?

>>49479319
Have you even played SoH since the new red book?

>>49479148
According to first expedition we will find out what happened and the emperors origin and perpetuals - in the next year probably around the time of 8th and return of the primarchs
Laurie Golding repeatedly hinted it over the last month or so in his posts and that means they have either planned out the novel (2 years in advance in normal lead for comissioning) or its on his desk (1 year tidying up and artwork)

>>49479352
I did not realize that they got updated. What are the new rules? Please tell me that Loken and Abaddon are worth taking? Because i'm sick and tired of fielding my models of them as regular sergeants.

>>49479319
What would you say I would need aside from the betrayal at calth set to make a decent army for 30k? Does running a normal army with dreadnoughts, marines, predators, and terminators work? Or do you need exclusive fw models?

>>49479319
Sons of Horus were fixed recently with 2W Justaerin, a strong Rite of War, and not sure what else. They're good now. Emperor's Children were improved too, but they're still a more difficult legion to use. World Eaters got better as well. Those were the three underpowered armies before the recent red books.

>>49479501
They can get you by, but the FW models do help IMMENSELY. Specifically, Sicarans, Leviathans and the unique units (Deathshrouds, Phoenix Guard, Raptors, etc.) Also, you will need to pay FW for the Volkite weapons that you do need.

>>49479495
>I did not realize that they got updated. What are the new rules?
Read the OP

>>49479501
Fundamentally it's the same game as 40k, so I'm not sure why you'd want to get into 30k if your army isn't going to have a 30k aesthetic. But 30k seems to attract fluff-based players and I'm one of them, so I'm biased in that direction.

Right now a FW Predator is US$69 vs. $58 for a GW Predator (thanks in part to Brexit). That's not too bad a premium, imo.

Gamewise, a plastic 30k army is likely to be weak against heavier vehicles and flyers.

>>49479533
Death Dealer is a great buff for drop podding armies.

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>>49479778
>WOLFWOLFWOLFWOLF

Thunderwolves when?

>>49479819
Probably never.

>>49479819
Never, furfaggot.

>>49479874
>>49479877
They were confirmed already, SW special units will be thunderwolf cavalry and grey hunters.

>>49479632
Actually, the plastic Dread can easily become a contemptor mortis with dual kheres if you have 2 of em, and that's great AA and can potentially hurt heavy vehicles, though admittedly not reliably

>>49479912
[Citation needed]

>>49479912

I'm going to eat my fucking cancer ridden Thanatar if this is true.

>>49479778
I like it.

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>>49479912
Proofs?

>>49479912
Bullshit.

>>49479912
Destroyers and something else is the current rumour

>>49479778
I dont know why they insist on continuing to do this flowing hair bullshit. At first glance it looks like they took Corvus's head, adjusted the angle of the hair, and added braids. Other than that I love the details.

>>49480352
Grey Hunters are the destroyers.

>>49479778
I actually like it. I want a better view of that axe.

>>49479199
Sanguinius had pure adamantium balls, that's why he engaged Horus in reasonable discourse whilst surrounded by daemon prince Atilla, Genghis, hitler and Stalin

>>49477876
This is an interesting picture because of how anachronistic it is. By the time Kharn had armor like that, Angron was already a daemon.

I made a thread for this but I'm gonna delete it to save space and because this is a better place to ask.

Given some cool custom sculpts of homebrew legions and primarchs I've seen on my Instagram feed, alongside the release of Leman Russ' primarch model, I've been wanting to try my hand at modelling/kit bashing my own ocdonutsteel Primarch from my ocdonutsteel Lost Legion.

What are some good bases I can work off of? None of the forge world primarch models or kabuki miniatures "totally not primarchs" knights of legend series work.

Basically, I'd like to browse a variety of heroic character models roughly to the scale of forge world's primarch models.

And if you want, I can talk about how totally gay and lame my homebrew lost Legion and Primarch are.

>>49479778
I love any character with the Axe+Sword combo, but honestly, I really wish it was Sword+Spear, because Russ actually has a spear, but I don't remember him ever having an Axe

>>49480524
Is there crunch? Because all I care about is crunch anon.

Give me the numbers.

>>49480577
Oh, no, I don't have crunch, because I don't think I could make competent game mechanics. If I had to use a proxy rule set it'd be Corax in Post-Istvaan mode.

>>49480483
>Khârn, I'm already a Daemon

>>49478822
Fists player here, it ain't as bad as you think as long as you prime white.
Personally I prime white, base Ushabti bone, argrax earthshade the details carefully, then go over with two coats of Lamenters yellow glaze. I'll stick to Yriel Yellow for my vehicles, though, since they're close enough in colour. Honestly, you could just yriel yellow the whole army and it'd be even simpler

>>49479912

Seeing as how legion tacticals are basically identical to grey hunters already (no heavy weapons, no combat squads, extra CCWs), and someone from FW (might have been Bligh) said thunderwolves will never be allowed anywhere near 30k, I'm going to call bullshit.

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>>49478423
Sangy is the only stable one

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>>49480415
This artwork should give ya something.

>>49480739
Explain the Khan's disorder?

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>>49480483
It's just fanart. Even in the days before the HH book series when the only source of info on this era were Index Astartes and Collected Visions, Kharn never got the berserker khornate armor until the very end of the Heresy at the very least.

pic related was how collected visions said he looked on Terra

>>49480768

Look at his tiny ass arms ha ha he's like a shitty malformed baby in armor

>>49480775
Being a loner and lacking close friends outside of the immediate family
Incorrect interpretation of events, such as a feeling that something which is actually harmless or inoffensive has a direct personal meaning
Peculiar, eccentric or unusual thinking, beliefs or mannerisms
Dressing in peculiar ways, such as appearing unkempt or wearing oddly matched clothes
Belief in special powers, such as mental telepathy or superstitions
Unusual perceptions, such as sensing an absent person's presence or having illusions
Persistent and excessive social anxiety
Peculiar style of speech, such as vague or unusual patterns of speaking, or rambling oddly during conversations
Suspicious or paranoid thoughts and constant doubts about the loyalty of others
Flat emotions or limited or inappropriate emotional responses

Read the books and this is literally how the Khan is

>>49480784

Unpainted ceramite suits him.

>>49479778
It's a good model, but thats got to be the shittiest possible angle to take the photo from.

>>49480768
Nope. The axe on the model has an edge, not teeth.

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>>49478423
Perturabo, of course. The Lord of Iron demands we fight for the Warmaster, and we obey.

>>49480855

FW are also staying consistent with the badly painted faces on all the primarchs.

>>49480396
Flowing hair looks metal.

>>49479912

I know that's a fucking lie. The Wolves are getting an Anti-Marine Destroyer unit because of the whole 'Executioner' Shtick.

>>49481376
>The Wolves are getting an Anti-Marine Destroyer unit because of the whole 'Executioner' Shtick
Grey Hunters.

>>49480949
>War master
REEEEEEEEEEEE
LOYALIST IW BEST IW

>>49481389

Why would the bog-standard Wolf tactical squads of 40k share the name with a special marine-killer unit?

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>>49478822
Just don't go too alternative with your color scheme or else the internet will call you horrible names...like "Iron Warrior"

>>49481425
Times change.

>>49479912

FW have said time after time that they want to get as far away from the 40k Wolves as possible. After having said that, why would they go and put 40k wolf units in the force they are emphatic as stating are nothing like the 40k wolves?

>>49481429
All you need is a black marker and some patience...

>>49480739
these are wrong.

>>49480815
you're forcing this.

>>49481376
I can't wait for a Destroyer unit that's more expensive than normal and marginally more effective in CC.

>>49481458
Because life is cruel.

>>49481665

I cannot believe someone who says that after spending the last year saying every time they're asked that they're not doing the WOLFWOLFWOLF thing, FW are suddenly doing the WOLFWOLFWOLF thing.

So no wolf sled option for my praetor? Guess jetbike rules will do.

Someone posted a download link to all HH books yesterday. But i can't find the thread anymore - it was about the upcoming Emperor-book from ADB.

Can anyone help?

>>49481767
To be fair, the Primarch of the Wolves is like the ONLY dude who it isn't ridiculous to cover in wolf iconography.

Corax literally has a raven on each limb, and his chest, and the holster of his gun, and a spare on the other side of his belt just because.

I lost count at 14 "U"s on Guilliman.

Vulkan is a class act, so he's fine.

>>49481767
He was being facetious.

Besides, aren’t the wolves on Fenris actually marines that have gone beyond the Wulfen stage? At this point in time, the Astartes haven’t existed long enough for there to be many of them (if any at all). Though some people think that all humans on Fenris turn into wolves, not just Astartes, due to past genetic manipulation to help the initial colonists survive on that gods-forsaken hellhole of a planet. In which case there would already be wolves. Smaller ones, perhaps.

Anyway, something that isn’t speculation: FW has said that they’ll make models for Russ’s two wolves, Geri and Freki (I think that’s what they’re called?). But that might be as far as the wolfiness goes.

>>49480403
Are you actually a ficking retard

>>49482083
I think the implication is that the wolves are an offshoot of the original human settlers, because the canis helix was added to them to try and adapt to how fuckhorrible Fenris is. Some stayed human and became vikings, some went furry.

The Space wolves occasionally just go full-derp and become wolves in like a day and a half instead of slowly evolving over generations.

>>49481509
Not at all. Khan is one of the more accurate ones

>>49479912
you lying, AIDS-riddled, shit-spewing cunt...

>>49482083
Remember "There are no Wolves on Fenris" The fact is that Fenris, itself, is heavily implied to be some kind of World Engine. Hell, The Fang wasn't even technically built by the Imperium. They found a massive complex of ancient and ridiculously OP weapons and refurbished it into a Fortress that has enough firepower to solo the average Chapters entire fleet.

Kinda looking forward to the next Warzone Fenris book so maybe we can find out what Fenris really is.

Has Forgeworld ever said they're going to do Primarch helmets?

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>>49482671
It can go both ways
You could get a Terminator helmet for Perturabo...or you could this lighning-rod-metal-hat for Fulgrim. It would make their kissing scene on Angel Exterminatus even more awkward.

>>49482671
I think they said they might get around to it.

Hey, how tall are Mk III and Mk IV marines? Someone please measure the height of one in a pretty standard pose, from top of base to top of helmet.

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>>49482874

Here's a quick picture I took, anon.

Hope it helps.

>>49483128
Looks like 1 3/8”, or 35mm. If a 28mm figure is supposed to be 6’-0”, then the marine is 7’-6”.

Thanks. I’m trying to figure out how underscale my 6mm Epic figures will be when FW releases an 8mm game. (For which marines should be 10mm tall, based on the measurement you gave me.) I don’t think my current minis will work.

>>49483128

Are the GW Mk IV's from B@C that big as well?

Looks like they're almost Marine sized. I know Guardsmen models are smaller than the existing Marine kits.

>be a Terran III legion delegatus on indefinite loan to a task force consisting of a heavily reinforced IV legion grand battalion, an overstrength XII legion assault company, and a XIV legion grand company, a cohort of Solar Auxilia, and an explorator fleet headed by an eccentric Archmagos, rumors of a veteran squad of Terran VIII legionaries stowed away on the flagship never really go away
>legion objectives shoved aside by the necessities of war, spend nearly all waking hours as a staff officer assisting the coordination of a sector-wide campaign, deployments force re-education in warfare
>painstakingly record experiences in journal, reflect that distant kindred would have hated this kind of war
>gradually become friends with other legionaries and personnel

"I've seen things my brothers wouldn't believe. Grand cruisers aflame off the shoals of the Maelstrom. I watched volkite beams illuminate the twilight near the Avernus Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like blood on the battlefield..."

>>49483602

The marine on the left is a B@C Mk IV marine, so judge for yourself.

Sadly I'm not in possession of any resin Mk IV so I couldn't judge whether those are the same size or not.

>>49483871

I don't like True Scale marines, but I'd prefer the official kits at least be a head taller than Guardsmen for that classic 7' height they started out at.

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>>49480949
>Being a heretic
>Any year
>mfw
The Lord of Iron is a cocksmoking turbo-queer. I hope you get buried under a pile of rubble once I smash your fortifications.

>>49483952
>What is this a loyalist for ants.jpg

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>>49483952

>>49483964
That gives me an erection.

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>>49483902

Put both of them up next to an old metal Stormtrooper I had, they seem to be pretty accurate scale-wise.

No idea how modern plastic guardsmen or the Solar Auxilia stack up though.(although I did check with Tech-Thralls and they're about the same scale as the Stormies are)

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>>49482520
Man being inducted to the Space wolves surely sucks major ass. You either become a literal furry, or a lunatic viking covering himself in dead wolf part.

You'd almost start to feel bad for those yiffs

>>49478840
>>49478809
Seeing as FW confirmed that Horus sent a SoH company with the destroy message; they're going to be there.

I wonder what Russ did to them once he found out the truth.

>>49478764
You need to contextualize it with Horus being Warmaster; who acts as the Emperor's voice. If Horus says to kill Magnus instead of arresting him; it's safe to think that the Emperor couldn't reach him or whatever

>>49478812
>>49479198
Prospero was just that though. 9/10ths of the Thousand Sons died; while around 1/6th of the Wolves did.

The Wolves got ambushed by the Alphas; not to mention they were already beaten up from Prospero and the smallest legion.

What Night Lords engagement?

>>49478702
Something like that.

I think the original went something like

>Russ is chilling on Terra for some reason
>Magnus fucks up
>Russ is insanely pissed off; goes to Emperor and convinces him to allow Russ to kill Magnus and his sons
>Emperor is also pissed off and in the heat of the moment lets him

>>49479364
Has the return of the primarchs been legitimately confirmed and not just out there theories?

>>49484073

What if Russ decimates the SoH company?

>>49482671
There was actually a question about this on one of the forums like two years back and someone emailed forgeworld, I think they said it would be only for some of them

>>49484130
Then they're still at 90%...

>>49484195

Yes, then decimation continues.

>>49484073
>I wonder what Russ did to them once he found out the truth.

Probably pussied out and did nothing.

>You need to contextualize it with Horus being Warmaster

Are we talking about a situation where Emperor and Horus are yelling at Russ to shoot the other, and he can't decide whose orders to follow, because they're equally valid.

I know the Emperor said he'd wreck Magnus if he did that warp shit after Nikea and I know Horus has pull, but wasn't Russ suppose to have a massive boner for the Emperor? If the Emperor delivers a message to not kill Magnus and Horus then has to convince Russ that "nah, best to just murder him, I'm sure the Emperor's cool with it." It does not bode well on the character of Russ.

>>49484252
He told him to bring Magnus back to Terra in chains to stand trial. Horus then sent another message; basically saying "He's changed his mind. kill him"

And remember Nikea

>If you treat with the Warp, Magnus, I shall visit destruction upon you. And your Legion's name will be struck from the Imperial records for all time

>>49484252
Also forgot to add that he doesn't have a boner for the Emperor anymore; he even kind of detests him for forcing him to be the Executioner and detests himself even more that he allowed himself to become one; because he thinks it's the reason Jaghatai abandoned him

>>49484252
I find it funny that Magnus had the best father-son relationship with the Emperor since they'd communicated for so long before the Emperor arrived.

Makes it even worse how things played out.

And a question on top of that for hhg: once you get Daemon Prince'd, can you reverse it or otherwise sever the original person from the god?

>>49484252
Nothing in the HH bodes well for Russ, he's the punching bag for everyone and is a complete total failure, they should've stayed with Russ as the bloodthirsty savage that convinced the Emperor to kill Magnus instead of 'lol just pretending to be savage!' and him being played like a fiddle by everyone.

>>49484343

Russ is the Master Miller of the Horus Heresy.

>>49484343
In a contest of being used the most as a punching bag, who would win : Curze or Russ ?

>>49484343
Don't forget that the humiliation conga still hasn't ended

>tries to assassinate Horus; will get his Legion massacred
>will get nearly beaten to death by the Lion in rage

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>>49484043
Here we see the Alphariperson in its natural state.
>>49484341
Once you go warp you never go back
>>49484365
>Russ is the Master Miller of the Horus Heresy.
The Burning of Prospero was nothing but a smoke screen. I saw the flesh change, then...
Grrrrr, Horus played us like a damn fiddle!
>>49484390
They broke his back twice, and the Lion tossed him around like a ragdoll. That's just mean, you know.

>>49484293
>Horus then sent another message; basically saying "He's changed his mind. kill him"

Was that how it played out in the novel? In FW book 6 it says Horus had to convince Russ to kill Magnus. That doesn't sound like ordering Russ to do it or telling him daddy changed his mind.

>And remember Nikea

Yes, I do remember, I said that.

>>49484466

Is that truescale or just bigger because its on a scenic base?

>>49484524
The way Russ talks about it in the books it sounds like an order but we don't know more about it because he feels humiliated for being rused

>>49484466

Russ starts throttling a Sister of Silence.

>>49484341
>once you get Daemon Prince'd, can you reverse it or otherwise sever the original person from the god?

Depends on the source. What the gods give can be taken away (unless you're Be'lakor or the Emperor) and the gods do strip daemons of their power, for example Khorne removed Skarbrand's ability to fly.

But once you're prince'd, you don't have a physical body and your essence is basically added to that of your god, who'll reclaim it when they're done with you, just like any other daemon.

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>>49484343
When did he convince the Emperor to kill Magnus? I remember the Emperor ordering Magnus' death.

I would have preferred him not as a savage (we already got Angron for that), but more as the stubborn and not so eloquent enforcer. The dude who'll commit warcrimes not because he gets a boner for it, but because it's his job.

>"We're not assassins of the Emperor, or anyone else. Fighting was the only thing... the only thing I was good at. But... at least I always fought for what I believed in."

>>49484624
Depends what version you're going by.

In the original Russ was just coincidentally on Terra when it happened and went to the Emperor and convinced him to give him carte blanche to destroy Magnus. Emps signed off on this.

In the new one he told Russ to bring Magnus in for a trial. Since this would allow him to blab about Horus; Horus changed the order

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>>49484528
It's "truescale", but based on the notion Space marines were people 8+ feet tall. Officially, they were 7 feet tall. Yes, there are men bigger than space marines, but size alone doesn't mean a person is T4.
>>49484624
Why are the Wolves the Emperor's Executioners?
The persian Immortals were not only deadly, but could be replaced very fast, so the UM and IW would serve that function better.
And the War Hounds were let loose not against those the Emperor wished to conquer, but against those He wished dead.
I seriously hope the Wolves, which behave more like dogs if you ask me, have a better excuse to be the Executioners other than "because muh hunters", because on this millenium populated by monsters in human form, that's a weak as fuck excuse.
>You too have known loss, and that loss torments you still. You hope hatred might someday replace the pain, but it never goes away. It makes a man hideous, inside and out. Wouldn't you agree? We both are demons. Our humanity won't return

>>49484700
Because that's what the Emperor made Russ for

>>49484737
>Not an argument

>>49484759
That's literally THE argument. The Emperor designed each of his sons with a purpose in mind; and Russ' was the disposal of traitors

>>49484788
I think I should rephrase the question: How are the Wolves the Executioners? What sets them above all other supermen, especially when Horus was the most dangerous, Vulkan was fucking immortal (probably a side-effect though), Dorn was the most loyal, the Night Lords were the Emperor's Revenge and the War Hounds were almost exclusively used for extermination campaigns?

>>49484831
That is the question that Russ himself wonders about; and he thinks he's the only one that would actually EXECUTE. Sevatar mentions how the NL would prolong the traitor's death bit by bit; while Russ would finish it in one clean stroke.

But I myself think that Alpharius and his legion would be the best executioners; and the only reason they weren't made so was because he was the last to be found

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>>49484859
Well, Omegon was the first primarch, and the AL did act as the Emperor's Hidden Hand.

>>49484664
I recall a version in which the Emperor ordered Russ to destroy Magnus and he obeyed.

>>49484700
>Why are the Wolves the Emperor's Executioners?

Well, you can thank the HH series for that, because Abnett and pals looked at the Wolves and were all "what do we do with these nutjobs? Oh, I know, the Emperor kept them around to kill shit he didn't like."

>on this millenium populated by monsters in human form, that's a weak as fuck excuse.

Well, they are literal werewolves, are they not? That's what people always bring up against them when they want them to be expunged as heretics and dangerous mutants.

>>49484859
And yet the War Hounds. Can't tell me they wouldn't also execute. Obviously that ended up not going to plan once Angron was found to be, well, Angron, but that would still be building two of your twenty(one) sons for the same niche task.

>>49484923
War Hounds were already intended to be the shock troop legion

>>49484902
More like the Emperor's Chymeriae. I guess I better be patient and wait for Inferno to give me the answers.
>>49484923
True. Also, Angron was found late and nailed. Not the first in line to become the Executioner.

>>49484831
I think the Wolves were choosen as executioners because their particular case of lunacy makes them loyal to a fault for some reason.
Vulkan wouldn't do that well because of his 'superpower' (compassion) the Night Lords have been a loose cannon most of the time, and World Eaters losing track of what the objective was or when they should stop butchering everything in sight (and out of it) makes them less usefull when you want a certain thing executed, and not everything around it too.

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>>49483952
Traitor IW are best IW.

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>>49484964
>That's not the XIIth I remember. My Lord Commander died after De'Sheah...

Man, people get so fucking whiny whenever the Space Wolves are brought up.

>>49484700

I prefer 7' - 7'5", averaging at 7'. As you say, its not height that makes a Marine into a T4 beast. Most people forget how WIDE and heavy Marines are. Like silverback gorillas, those Marines.

>>49481429
Oh my god It's you again. I looked at the picture and then saw the comment and I thought you had a pretty nice Iron Warriors army there.

>>49484700
Marines are 7', with Primarchs and Silas Alberec at 8-10' tall.

>>49485053
>Silas Alberec
The Exorcists are to the Word Bearers what the Red Scorpions are to the Emperor's Children, right?

>>49485099
No. They're just similar, but the Exorcists are the Grey Knight's only unofficial successor chapter. Officially, they're Unkown.

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>>49485052
>pretty nice Iron Warriors army there
feels bad

>>49485099
No, the Exorcists are made using Grey Knight bits (geneseed) and daemonic possession followed by exorcism as part of the indoctrination.

They also don't preach, or have faith

>>49485134
I think it is time to accept this is going to haunt you to the last of your days knightanon

>>49485134
Mate, they'll look like IW no matter what. Being pure metallics with yellow chevrons is their thing. Your army looks like an IW army that's almost finished.

I just watched Event Horizon after always hearing about how it could be a story about humanity's first encounter with warp travel. Went into thinking maybe you could spot some parallels, see some similar ideas, but nothing that would really link them together...nope. Played completely straight. No question about it, really. In fact, if you presented it to someone as a Warhammer title set in the "past," they wouldn't think twice about it. Even that part about it opening to a dimension of "pure chaos" (hehe), the insanity and hallucinations, and even the hammy BL-esque dialog

>>49484341
>once you get Daemon Prince'd, can you reverse it or otherwise sever the original person from the god?
Gonna go with short answer, no. Long answer, in a galaxy so large there are probably multiple ways each of which are the things campaigns and multi-novel series are made of.

Also they probably don't really work out the way you want them to. You can get something similar, but you can never get back what you lost.

>>49484945
>I guess I better be patient and wait for Inferno to give me the answers.

Lets face it, they'll be a joke, Russ a loser, we get 3-4 new memes out of it to bash them some more and there's even less of a reason to consider them more than a relic of shitty RT era fluff.

>>49485032
>7' - 7'5", averaging at 7'

That's not how statistics work.

>>49485053
What was the source that put someone at like 13 feet? And he wasn't even Magnus.

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>>49485156
>>49485170
I've started to accept it. and you know the worst part? I'm already looking for alternative color schemes for my next legion. wish there was a fluffy black/blue legion armor for ultramarines.

>>49485518
>Black/Blue Ultramarines
You're thinking of Alpha Legion.

Why not Dusk Raider Death Guard, then? It'd require you to be a loyalist though.

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>>49485518
>wish there was a fluffy black/blue legion armor for ultramarines.

Make up a chapter that uses more destroyers than usual.

Alright, I am currently someone who has not touched the WH40k tabletop, but I'm lookin to jump in. I'd actually prefer to start with HH because I'm super into the World Eaters. My Angry Marines are what got me into Warhammer fluff. They're my boys. Now as people who I assume actively play it if I say I'm okay with slowly building an army from FW despite cost is it alright to jump into Heresy, or is it smarter to start with 40k? Much obliged

>>49485569
But that's literally just the destroyer scheme. It'd make no sense for any one chapter to use an all destroyer scheme.

Plus destroyers massively suck, sadly.

>>49485605
>assume actively play it
That's your first mistake right there.

>if I say I'm okay with slowly building an army from FW despite cost is it alright to jump into Heresy
Dude, yeah man, jump right in! What armor mark are you most interested in?

Plus, CSM are really bad right now. Plus, Saint Duncan has blessed us with a great how to paint World Eaters on Warhammer TV.

>>49485569
Dammit you beat me by a second. I hate phoneposting

>>49485261
Hehe, yeah, I felt exactly the same way the first time I watched it. Couldn't believe how specific the thing was. It even ran on a Chaos engine.

>>49485518
Go get them KA, with your Dark Ultras, no matter they are Destroyers

>>49485615
>It'd make no sense for any one chapter to use an all destroyer scheme.

So make up your own scheme, make it black and blue and fluff your chapter as one that uses unconventional weapons, christ there's already one in the fluff! The Nemesis chapter! So why not make one similar to it?

>>49485605
Jump into 30k, buy B@C and then Burning of Prospero box and build your army around that.

>tfw realize that I'd always have 9 bolters left over if I did the conversion I wanted to.
Sadness.

>>49485638
Mark IV mainly
Good thing I'd say, cause it's the most abundant you can find, but them helmets though.

Also I will peep in on this paint guide.

>>49485686
Get Betrayal at Calth then. Unless you want an all resin army?

>>49485707
is BaC not resin? Ideally I'd prefer it, but I'm not opposed to mix matching if that's what's best.

>>49485740
Betrayal at Calth is a plastic box set containing the Betrayal at Calth board game, 30 MkIV Tactical Marines and equipment, 5 Cataphractii terminators, 2 Space Marine Heroes, and a Contemptor Dreadnought with Kheres Autocannon or Multi-melta, all for the price of only $150! Order now!

Like, if the only things in that box that interest you are the MkIV marines, it's still a lot cheaper than resin marines.

>>49485777
Sweet America, that still sounds like a damn good place to start.

>>49485795
>tfw starting an all MkII army
I'm gonna have to wait another year before GW even thinks about doing my armor mark, huh?

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HERETICS DIE DIE DIE

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>>49485839
This is 30k, fool. Your LAMEnter isnothing compared to the amazingness that is Erasmus Golg's art!

>>49485819
It looks great too, is it just not popular enough to get pushed?

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Lamenters may be a troubled chapter but none quite like the HERETIC.

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Anybody else have a Caestus. Gonna be playing a game on Sunday hopefully and I'm still not sure how to use it properly. Turn one melta cannon some suckers, turn two go to hover mode and ram something? I want, no, need to ram something.

>>49484252

If you don't obey the Warmaster, doesn't that technically make you a Renegade?

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>>49478423

>>49482458
no, you're definitely forcing it.

>>49486764
So... All loyalists who didn't obey Horus are traitors?

>>49484043
yellow shit and the dude stepped into it

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>>49486184
Fill it full of dudes and pump it into the rear of the opponents army knight anon!

Also make sure you take some sort of reserve modifier like a command rhino. +1 to reserve rolls will ensure you ram comes on turn 2 and puts holes in things for a turn 3 assault.

>>49486184
The general opinion is that you start ramming after your dudes came out. Not the natural order I know, so it might take some practice :^)

>>49482520
That sounds pretty cool, where are all these titbits of lore from?

>>49488508
Why are breachers so sexy bros? I must be their shields.

>>49488842
Codeces, books, many, many places. Honestly, i'm not so sure half of that is even canon anymore... Well, except for The Fang an ancient alien death-machine. It says in the codex that The Fang predates humanity finding Fenris.

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Hey /hhg/ Question time!
would the new Genestealer Cult models make for good abhumans for the milita and cults list?

>>49488969
Given that they look mostly human, I'd imagine so. They're pretty cool looking models to boot.

>>49488969
Its what I was planning to do. Another way is to just get some Gors and Ungors from the Beastmen line and give them the Skitarii rifles.

>>49488920
Ah cool, not got the yiff codex.

And I think the main difference between the Wolves and the Night Lords/War Hounds/Other Wolves is that the Wolves are the most controlled - their savagery is twinned with loyalty and love of humanity

Unless it turns out that they go OTT and out of control in their legion fluff in Inferno...

>>49486184

Honestly KA your dudes are looking better than before but you should change your accent colour from copper to black to move them away from Iron Warriors that got lost in the yellow section of Smiggle.

>>49484209
And then he never finishes the job, it's like Achilles vs. turtle all over again.

>>49488969
Good traitor Imperial Army I'd say. Word Bearer Cultists maybe?

>>49489097
i was thinking mutated Barbarans for my Death Guard

>>49489106
They do look pretty cancer-y

>>49489106
Just give as many of them gas masks and you're golden! Remove tyranid icons where possible

>>49484130
I bet the SoH just left after the job was done.

>>49488969
Would make great base for Grenadier/SA conversions as well. That suit looks good for a void suit carapace Just have to figure a good space helmet for it.

Bombshell Miniatures sell clear plastic domes in 8mm and 10mm diameter variants. Wonder if they'd fit the bodies (they also sell collars for them, but the cultist models already have collars, so they probably wouldn't fit very well).

Skitarii Vanguard helmets?

>Very first scene in Free State of Jones
[Bitterness intensifies]
What are some good trench warfare movies to get me in a bitter mood?

>>49489417

If you want to get into a bitter mood, just remember that you'll see Huscarl Terminators before the Tyrants or Iron Havocs.

>>49489417
A Farewell to Arms.

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need /HHG/'s feedback on a new recipe for red that i've tested on my testnought.

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>>49489486

>>49489492
it's a test model. i dont bother stripping it after each paint job

>>49489486
Thin that recipe down, my friend.

>>49489486
Color's fine, but add some THINNER to your recipe

>>49489497
>>49489502
>>49489496
see above

>>49489441
Anon I have no need for special units. I need only tacticals, artillery, Kyr Vhalen and a smattering of other units to crush traitor forces.

>>49489588

Well, you'll never see Kyr Vhalen either.

>>49489604
:(

>>49477881
I don't particularly care about book 8, I want book 9

>>49489668
what's the rumours for 9?

>>49489486
too much ketchup. Use a drop, maybe two of airbrush thinner with a teaspoon of paint

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>it's another "Space Marine height shitflinging" thread

>>49489701
i think the main bulk of the thickness comes from using GW's shitty mephiston red spray...
i'm gonna swap to army painters "pure red"

>>49485518
>I'm already looking for alternative color schemes for my next legion
Just no, why bother trying to do a special snowflake scheme for a legion when you can't even get the basic one right.

>>49489672
Thramas and shadow crusade

>>49489776
People who are getting so upset about their marines not being large enough in their opinion, it must have something to do with compensating for something else.

everybody else knows it is the plastic guardsmen that are too large for 28mm scale

Tournament list, 2kpts, help min/max and point out improvements please. Most models available.
HQ:
Scoria + Abeyant
Mag Dom - Abeyant, Con beamer, aug scan, cyber fami

Troops:
2 x Castellax - darkfire cannon/targ array/flamers
2 x Castellax - mauler boltcannons/power blades/frag grenades
3 x Thallax - plasma fusil
3 x Thallax - plasma fusil

Heavy:
Thanatar - targetting array

LoW:
Knight Paladin - Blessed auto

Scoria+castellax bolter march up field with knight
Mag dom sits back with Than and darkfire Cast to shoot

Thallax deepstrike onto objective or where needed

>>49489933

Same argument can be said for the opposing side.

>>49485686
>them helmets though

Just do what I did and get the upgrade helmets for all of your guys. All of my Mk IV and Mk II guys have the legion helmet. I'm getting some mk V soon though, and their helmets I'm going to keep Mk V.

Question guys. What sort of changes did One Punch Lion made to his legion order wise?

>>49490184
Other than exiling the Terrans we really don't know a lot and probably won't until Thramas Crusade book comes out

>>49489496
Do you ever find that to be a problem with later schemes? I know I originally had a few of my WE white and blue, but when I decided to go white and red instead I didn't strip the like 3 guys who were already complete. Their backpacks are ever so slightly noticeable darker than their comrades' due to the red basecoat going over blue instead of white.

>>49490220
He didn't exile them, he merely didn't trust them. They didn't go through the trees of Caliban and probably didn't pass any Calibanian rites of manhood.

>>49490235
>didn't exile them
>while the rest of your brothers are out there bringing the Emperor's light to alien worlds and bedecking themselves in honor and glory you're going to sit on your asses and twiddle your thumbs, later Terrans

How is this not exactly the same as what Corax did; if not even more insulting?

>>49490249
Because Corvus doesn't have a stomach for brutality, and the Lion has a stomach of steel?

>>49490184
The Lion and Luther together introduced the Order's hierarchical structure to the existing (mostly) Principia Bellicosa tenets. I say mostly because the First had been deployed all around the frontiers and beyond since before the end of the Unification Wars, and as such it can be safely presumed that all the various commanders were used to operate alone and independently.

>>49490249
Nowhere is it mentioned that all Terrans were exiled to Caliban.

>>49490279
Yes it is. Nearly all of them were Terrans except for Luther, Cypher and Zahariel

>>49490220
Seeing as how Angels of caliban features a few terrans that's bullshit

>>49490295
>citation needed

>>49490297
Oh?

Farith has a flashback of hunting a beast of caliban.

Holguin is not really mentioned a lot.

The rest of them are on Caliban.

>>49490305
Astelan notes it's ironic that the Lion exiled the Terrans to Caliban when he himself is technically Terran

>>49490221
i strip him wenever it begins to get "silly" and he starts looking like the stay puft marshmallow man

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>>49490320
M8 pls, the exiles were mostly from Caliban. Please see attached source and remember that "BL isn't canon" isn't a valid counter argument.

>>49488920
The most recent Codex also states that The Fang stretches from above the atmosphere of Fenris (Allowing the Space wolves ships to dock at it without using sub-orbital ships) to the planets core.

>>49490474
That's Descent of Angels, correct?

If it conflicts with books that came out nearly a decade after; is it that strange to suppose it's been retconned?

>>49481413
Yes, they showed what 'The Iron Within' really meant!

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I'm desperate. Can someone share Calgar's siege book please?

>>49490820
Ask the 40k general.

If daemons have a 100 year ban limit every time they get vanquished, how did Samus manifest himself 3 times in as many years?

>>49491216
because the dark gods willed it
T. Lorgar

>>49491216
Maybe powerful daemons can ignore it or they have to properly be banished via ritual or something.

>mfw Sons of Horus are merely common thugs in mindset
>these were the foremost warriors of humanity

>>49491216
>The Warp makes sense and follows rules
Are we really going to go through this again?

>>49491579
Of course they are. They are the gang members on the hood that is the Milky Way. Even their Word Bearer friends are Salvatrucha-like, with tattooed faced

>>49491216
Because it's the warp I assume there are obscure loopholes to everything.

>>49491293
>Maybe powerful daemons can ignore it
Some random daemon is more powerful than Angron, Mortarion or Kairos?
>>49491591
>le warp is just random magic xDDD
Hello re*dit

>>49491634
I thought Angron was banished from Armageddon with an actual complex ritual instead of just getting his ass blasted.

>>49491634
Didn't Mortarion basically exploded when that dude spoke his true name?
>Le Reddit meme- meme
You are so cute when you get upset by reading opinions that disagree with you.

>>49491916
No; that just weakened him enough for them to banish him.

And I didn't call you reddit because I disagree with you my redditor friend; I called you a redditor because you sprout the same old tired "deus ex warp" meme

>>49491853
Didn't he just get poofed out of there when his sword got broken?

>>49491216
Because fuck you, that's why. GW doesn't have to follow rules.

does a narthecium add +1 to feel no pain or just 6+ if the unit doesnt already have it

asking for kyr vhalen

>>49492167
A narthecium gives the FnP rule, meaning a 5+++ that overrides any weaker FnP
>>49492004
>Because Reddit has the monopolio on "chaos follows little rules, otherwise it'd be called order".

>>49492222
Yes indeed the reddit userbase has the monopoly on such statements

Watched a load of battle reps

Scorpius seems really fucking useful

Wondering what's a good Iron Warriors-esque username for something.

Hmmm....

>>49492222
thanks
didn't have my scans or rulebook handy

would bikes or assualt marines be better for spreading iron fire markers around the
boardm or is it just better to have a creeping barrage with tactical marines

>>49492312
greek but not graeco-roman
nerdy but not autistic
how about diogenes

>>49488969
>them double barrel shotguns
niiiice

ill have to get these for my chaos cultists/levy/renegades

>>49489259
Skit Vanguard helms are always the right choice.

>>49492315
Some say the faster the better. Also, it doesn't state that the artillery has to shoot first, so consider this:
Jetbikes move 12", then turboboost, all of that with their LolTerrain.exe, and then you let loose the Ironfire.
Just remember you need melee units to make use of the RoW, Fearless is Half of the bonus.

B@C termies don't come with volkite chargers and FW volkite chargers are designed for termie armour

so my question is where do I get volkite chargers for my command squad deathstar with golg

>>49492777
You don't. FW has no Terminator Volkite unfortunately. Except for the Praetor.

>>49492794
B@C has been out for ages, why haven't they done this yet. Because we all know when battle for prospero comes out they'll move onto redesigning the tartaros weapons, which will be incompatible with cataphracti because reasons

What year was Perturabo found? Currently writing up my Praetor's fluff, and am in need of dates in order to be sure of some things. Or was it after Incaladion?

>>49492888
Definitely after Incaladion, apparently after the Lion

>>49492910
Alright thanks, was going off of memory.

>>49492888
Pretty much right after Incaladon

>>49492794
Yeah, but now that there's the volkite with the hand built on its close enough to work easy.

I keep seeing Grand Company and Grand Battalion to describe Iron Warriors forces. Grand Battalion is their name for Chapter, and Grand Company is their name for chapter as well, right? So what's the difference?

>>49493120
Grand Battalion was chapter sized; Grand Company was battalion sized

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>>49493120
>>49493175

>>49493175
>>49493205
Thanks mates!

Anyone have a pdf of book 3? I'm pretty sure that's where the Iron Warriors fluff is and the only BL book I have is Angel Exterminatus.

>>49493257
Literally in the first post mate

Go and get all the FW books from Mediafire

>>49493257
mega in the OP has scans of all FW books so try that

>>49493329
>>49493386
I'm afraid I'm on mobile, so I can't access repositories, only single books, unfortunately.

>Death Guard
>most famous for using mkIII armor
>tactical squads and task force use mkIV

why

>>49493418
file:///C:/Users/theho/OneDrive/warhammer/books/The%20Horus%20Heresy%20Book%203%20Extermination.pdf
see if that works

>>49493257
>>49493418
I'm guessing you can't use the links on your phone?
Download them to your pc and then connect your phone to it and put the files in the phone.
Unless you're using heretikal Apple STCs or something like that, it works fine. The pic I just posted was from the phone.

>>49493435
because they made the task forces when mk4 was the only plastic heresy kit

So we know that the Emperor planned to stick Horus into Khangba Marwu and had a special cell made for him; but what about the other three original traitors?

I'm guessing he would have put Angron down but what about Fulgrim and Mortarion?

>>49493440
I downloaded the MEGA app on my phone once, and it worked for me after that.

>>49493454
but then why are iron warriors mk3

>>49493435
torsos are clearly adapted mk3
heads could be argued to be 3 or 4
they didn't put the mk3 pads in the bundle because armour mixing is 'a fete only the iron hands could achieve'

>>49493437
Can't download local files, according to Safari.

>>49493440
>Apple
Hmmm... Maybe?

>>49493472
Eh, I just don't feel like downloading the MEGA app.

>>49493490
their pads are mk4

gold star of decimation is variant pattern

for the helms
4 are adapted mk 4
2 are mk2/3
4 are variant pattern

or am I missing something

>>49479912
they shouldve given them TWC and wulfen.

grey hunters are just veterans/true grit tacs, seems like a waste

>>49493543
No, they're all MkII bits, it's just that FW made all the task forces in MkIV because that's what the plastic marines are in.

>>49493467
>So we know that the Emperor planned to stick Horus into Khangba Marwu
So, he wasn't just going to kill them?
Holy shit, just what did Primarchs #2 and #11 do that was worse than the Horus Heresy and personally killing the Emperor?
...maybe #2 was a sacrifice to Molech.
>>49493508
>>Apple
I thought the Iphone7 being worse than the 6 was a meme... Not even Scoria does such heresies.

>>49493578
how the hell are they mark 2 apart from maybe 2 of the helms which would be mk3 by the time pertuabo was found

>>49493613
I think it's because he's still his favourite son; and II and XI just didn't have that luck.

Or for all we know; they're still alive but buried beneath Terra's mantle

>>49493574
why
30k wolves are celtic scandinavian raiders, and even then 'JUST PRETENDING',
even if wulfen exist in 30k any images of them would be cesnored and stripped from archives, because then the inquisitors would kill them off in 40k.

>>49493648
>why
because they are iconic SW units
>30k wolves are celtic scandinavian raiders, and even then 'JUST PRETENDING'
no
>even if wulfen exist in 30k any images of them would be cesnored and stripped from archives, because then the inquisitors would kill them off in 40k.
so? gal vorbak get an entry, a unit having rules doesnt mean its 'well documented' by the person writing the book in the fluff.

they do exist in 30k since thats when the wulfen were a thing. all their weapons in 40k are relics that were used by them in 30k.

wulfen are basically confirmed for 30k

>>49493696
But the Gal Vorbak are cataloged as traitor degeneracy. It's the same reason RG didn't get the Raptors- officially it didn't happen

>>49493622
Because they are labeled as such on FW's website. I do hate the MkIV-esque helms, however.

The Chest pieces are indeed MkII, and are meh.

The Iron Skulls and the targeter helms are MkII, though you could make an argument for the Iron Skulls being different enough from every pattern to be artificer wrought.

Also, you do realize that MkIII is just MkII with extra armor plating?

>>49493696
Anon, the Space Wolves are getting a unique Destroyer unit.

>>49493696
no, the WICKED KEWL weapons the wulfen use were crafted by russ himself
rubricae are iconic 1ksons marines, doesn't mean 30k 1k sons get them, instead they get praevian buff (probably)
gal vorbak get an entry because they're already known to be traitors and so you can show the raw face of chaos, you don't show mutated 'loyalists' because thats how most penitent crusades start

>>49493613
>>49493644
No primarch was killed before the Dropsite Massacre, it's implied in some of the BL books.

>>49493729
the RG didnt get the raptors because there were only like 100 of them and they fucking died
>>49493733
>Anon, the Space Wolves are getting a unique Destroyer unit.
nobody knows what the SW are getting, alan bligh said at the last FW open day that they are practically getting their own army list. people have said they will all be able to buy rad grenades, its all just rumors.

i can guarantee you they will get wulfen (probably with a FW upgrade kit) and TWC (also probably with an upgrade kit), since they are iconic units and huge sellers.

bligh said they are practically getting their own army list, so it woudnt surprise me if they got more than just 2 special units.

>>49493790
And how many Gal Vorbak were there?

>>49493648
Well, Warzone Fenris heavily implies that the Wulfen date back to at least when Russ left to go to the Eye of Terror.

All of the Wulfen use weapons that they found in The Fang. There is a whole scene where they see the massive weapons on the walls and pick them off, the Iron Priests mention how not even a Terminator is strong enough to effectively wield those weapons and that they were thought to be show-pieces made for Russ himself.

It would make a lot of sense if the Wulfen were around in the Heresy. Hell, it would make even more sense if it was The Wulfen that Russ took with him to The Eye of Terror, knowing that if he left them, then the Inquisition would just have them killed.

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>>49493810
over 1000 and survived longer than 1/2 a BL book.

>>49493790
Anon, you are oh so very wrong. There were only a handful of original Gal Vorbak.

Alan Bligh said that they were getting unique destroyers, not their own army list. That's the Custodes. No Space Marine legion will have their own army list.

>>49493733
yeah
mk 3 was made once the solar system was conquered IIRC
maybe olympia had a neighboring foreworld which makes the iron masks, 1k sons have achea pattern, world eaters have sarum

>>49493831
And Raptor were around 800 so I don't see your point.

Also they did survive longer than Deliverance Lost seeing as they engaged in operations in the other novellas

>>49493831
There were only about 100 gal vorbak maximum

>>49493820
Looks great, anon! I like it.

>>49493832
>>49493831
>>49493810
by calth basically all of the gal vorbak had died off, sans Argel Tal, he then raises the Vharka Jal, as the second generation. This time from all the chapters, with weaker daemons, and daemons accepted willingly with fasting and consecreatation, rather than just lowering the shields

Anyone include attack bikes in their army? I'm stuck between two lascannon javelins or a couple of squads of Multi-melta ABs

>>49493838
Anon, just please stop posting until you don't have autism anymore.