'Official' MTG Snowstorm/Lore Discussion Thread

thank god someone else made the thread, I really didn't want to try and fuck it up again

>>49463168
Thread question
>which two flakes do you want to see Filth Anon write about together next?

>>49463236
Domoyl and Ussa, get that green mana flowing.

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I figure you lot would have the best idea on how to do this: My DM wants me to make an MtG planeswalker for a planescape game, but I have no idea how to represent that mechanically. We're using Pathfinder as far as rules go.

I was thinking of a creature template which gave Planeshift as a 10 minute ritual 1/day, or emergency FRA shift 1/week or month, planar acclimation, and agelessness. Not sure how to cost this. Not sure if I should add interactions with colours of mana or the pie. I might also make my PC into a 'flake so I can get you homos' opinions.

>>49463410
>Planeshift as a 10 minute ritual 1/day
Planeswalking seems pretty easy, make it 5 minute ritual, 1 per 6 or 12 hours.

>agelessness
Not for nu-walkers.

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While making my sorotami flake, just realized something that offered me minor amusement.

They live in and on the clouds on Kamigawa, right? They are literally a vape nation.

>>49463410
Agelessness is no more in the package with new walkers. I assume we are talking about 5e since rituals, so maybe you can handle the Magic Initiate feat for free to non-casting classes that get the template, to represent how every walker is at least a tiny bit of a mage.

>>49463577
He specifically mentions Pathfinder.

>>49463410
is everyone playing a planeswalker or is it just you? if it's everyone it's something your DM should be helping you figure out, so no one ends up making a broken character because of their idea of how planeswalking mechanics work.

hell, even if it's just your character it's best to talk it over with your DM because they might see how it works differently.

>>49463661
Just me, senpai. On mobile so responses will be limited until I get home.
>>49463461
Planeswalking isn't easy for brand new walkers iirc, though immortalitys my mistake

>>49463410
That, or I'd consider making it a prestige class that requires a spark. Every other level, you gain a level in your main class on top of caster levels from the prestige class. A slightly modified version of Planeshift would be used for planeswalking, and its effectiveness/uses would increase with levels and/or hit die.

>>49463887
Classes are (usually) something you train to be, though. Like Elspeth is a Paladin. Planes walker is something you become.

>>49463933
I'd just make it a feat.

>>49463943
Sounds fucking broken.

>>49464023
Your DM has to approve it anyway.

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We were posting in a sinking ship last night. By the time that I realized it, I was too tired to try making a new one.

>>49459056
>During each round, flakes will be assigned to random opponents in single-elimination tournament fashion.
>Flakes will be treated as though they are all neowalkers in order to create a balance of power.
>Flakes with meme-levels of power will be treated as though they weren’t.
>Flakes that directly contradict lore, especially by going against or interacting inappropriately with canon characters, will be disqualified.
>Flakes that are joke or troll flakes will be disqualified. The use of silver-bordered cards in a flake’s preferred spell list automatically disqualifies them.

>During the first round, all flakes will be placed into the roster randomly. Flakes that are disqualified will give their random opponents a bye for the round.
>During the first round, flakes will be revealed in smaller groups, noting disqualifications and asking the thread if they wish to disqualify anyone else.

>During each round, small groups of flake match-ups will be revealed
>Arguments will take place in the thread and votes will be taken from the polls over which flake is likely to prevail over the other.
>After each round, the flakes that move on will be re-randomized on the roster to make match-ups unpredictable.

>Match-Up rules will treat both competing flakes in a match as though they are both forced into conflict with the other, and neither is allowed to planeswalk away until a winner is determined. Flakes will be treated as though they start with zero assisting summons and will not have prepared for this encounter.

Also, polls.
http://www.strawpoll.me/11279116
http://www.strawpoll.me/11279117
http://www.strawpoll.me/11279118
http://www.strawpoll.me/11279119

>>49463933
A thought, yeah, but planeswalking also improves with time and training. If you use a template, I'd make it get better and maybe give them access to new abilities as their hit die increased.

Would you an Orzhov or Rakdos color Aetherborn flake?

I can See an Orzhov Aetherborn using a janky Mana Rock+Isochron Scepter+Angels blessing combo as a life support machine.

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>>49463410
>>49464461
3.5 would have it as a creature race template.
Probably a series of percentage rolls done after a death or mentally exhausting occurrence, if we really want to get into mechanics.
Pathfinder could follow a similar route. Although otherwise I would treat it like giving something a Lich template. Increased base abilities of the character, as in +1 caster level for their known spellcasting class.
Similarly, the ability to planeswalk should have a cooldown of sorts, but also have an emergency kicker. 1/day and 1/week seems like it would work, but with an increase as the character levels. maybe +1 per 3 levels or so.

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>>49464576
>that image
Holy fuck that's unsettling. Would you mind spoilering things like that in the future?

>the rest of it
That's kind of what I was thinking, except the increased caster level, what I'm having trouble figuring is the level adjustment cost of the template, as planeshift is a p. high level spell, any other effects aside (though it's not especially impactful.)

>>49464554
Orzhov, since white has more support for artifacts.

>>49464753
Dude, it's just a guy covered in whipped cream with some photoshopping done on his eyes.

I bet this video grosses you out:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erh2ngRZxs0

>>49464753
>Orzhov, since white has more support for artifacts.
Literally where? White and red are pretty on par with artifact themes: white is about equipments only, while red uses them as "fuel".

>>49464554
It depends, do you want him to actually use artifacts or to burn though them and make them explode? Assuming you are going for an artifact theme of course.
>>49464803
>a guy covered in whipped cream
[spoiiler] mhhh, dat's kinky...

>>49464753
This is why my thought is to start with a more limited and modified version of planeshift as a spell like ability. Then have it improve with leveling or advancement. If the only thing they gain is that spell like ability, I'm almost tempted to say they don't have a level adjustment. Any other minor bonuses beyond the ability would probably require a +1.

>>49464554
I'd rather not see an Aetherborn flake at all, since that requires another ridiculous case of a planeswalker deciding to give their spark and their life to a creature other than themselves. We've already got too many of those in this snowstorm as it is.

I know Aetherborn seem cool and all after the latest fiction but can we show a little self-restraint?

>>49464954
With an infinite multiverse and an infinite amount of time, it is bound to happen sooner or later.

>>49464803
It's the eyes/sockets. They freak me the fuck out.

Watching that dude eat ice cream off his head is strange, but not as unsettling.

>>49464826
Please see board rule #1, then kindly show yourself back to >>>/pol/

>>49464753
>>49464812
Blue is the primary artifact color, red is the secondary. Red is definitely about using artifacts, recycling them, making art with them, using and consuming them. White is mostly about equipment mostly, but got lucky with a lot of artifice because it was part of Esper. Think of it this way: Red has an artifact walker, as does blue. White has an equipment walker.

>>49464979
But aetherborn are literally clumps of factory residue. They can't get a spark naturally and giving them one is a waste.

>>49464979
Well, we seem to not have an infinite amount of time, most of us treat the Multiverse according to WotC's current time line. And the infinite multiverse argument only applies if you're using non-Kaladeshi Aetherborn, which fucking ruins the point of using Aetherborn at all.

So, considering that someone wants to make an Aetherborn that exists at the point of the Kaladesh/Aetherborn Revolt time frame and they likely want to make a Kaladeshi Aetherborn, that gives them a very limited period of time and space to work with, considering that Aetherborn are a rather recent race in the grand scheme of things and that so far, we don't know of another plane that has them.

>>49465052
Giving a spark to Sarkhan was a waste as well. But here we are.

>>49464979
And Infinite monkeys?

>>49465129
Yes, I know. You are just being too literal: what i meant was a fancier way of saying "do what you want". In the end who cares about it as long as it is fun? We are not exactly trying to write grand novels here.
Now more to the point I could see a particularly deranged, old kaladeshi walker deciding to create the most marvelous inventions ever for the fair by sticking his own spark in the very own product of a lifetime of inventions, the living form of the waste they produced.
>>49465178
They are all kird apes.

>>49465229
Apes of Rath, if you will

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>>49465234
>Apes of Rath

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>>49465234
>>49465250

>>49465229
I really dislike this attitude, especially attached to a shit talker like yourself.

>>49465229
Yeah well, if we all just do what we want with no regards for stuff and just constantly invent our ways to circumvent the lore, we end up with infinite Vronaks to go with the infinite time and infinite multiverse.

But hey, people can go ahead and make flakes out of their favourite flavour of the week race if they really want to. I'm not stopping them, just providing advice and announcing that I'm personally a little tired of all of the angel, demon, artifact, undead and other impossible planeswalker combinations that are achieved by screwing with the rules.

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>>49465317
>we end up with infinite Vronaks
It's too late.
The Vronaking has already begun

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>>49465436
I love you, guy. Hah!

Planar Chaos! Bitches!

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>>49464803
Personally I do find that more disturbing. Autophagia is horrifying.
>>49464753
Well, I'd probably go with a plus 3, but I would start experimenting in game with rolls and see how OP it might be.
>>49464912
I agree. If there are no other bonuses, try to negotiate something with the GM. I kind of like the idea of it increasing the overall caster's abilities though, hence the idea about +1 caster level. If that was used, I would prefer it to be a sliding scale, going up.

>>49465552
No, Vronak, you don't understand. I didn't do this because I like you
I did it because Vronak sounds like a trenchcoat-and-sunglasses sorta name.

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>>49465847
I like to think more like a black armor and cloak kind of name.

Vrow-Nawk.

>>49465948
"At this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessing, but because I am enlightened by my own intelligence." -Vronak, probably.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev-2QLDumSU
It's funny because this perfectly encapsulates the Ice Age we went though.

>>49465948
Is that how you pronounce it? I always thought it was Vro-Knack. Rhymes with pro tack

>>49466108
However amusing that quote is, Vronak isn't some sperg to spout non-sense.

A good quote I could see Vronak saying? Hmmm...

"You can't be a hero when you're hiding."

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>>49466316
I figured some peeps would think it was pronounced like that. But, nope.

>>49466353
But which Vronak would say that? There are two Vronaks now.
>>49466372
That pic really makes you seem full of yourself.

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>>49466390
OG Vronak. I like to think that he's more of an anti-hero than a BBEG. Sure, he could be a villain. Or he could be an ally. Just depends on what aligns with his current goals or motivations.

I find the pic amusing. Tis the reason I make them. Amusement and nothing more. Don't put any deeper thought into them. They don't saying anything about me or the character.

>>49466440
Well, what do you think about neo-Vronak? Just by seeing his character sheet, do you think both Vronaks would be buddies?

>>49466372
Grammatically, Vronak is pronounced Vro-nack. Like row and tack.

>>49466471
Probably. I could see them being interested in the aspect of alternate multiverses' Vronaks. Then probably go out and look for powerful summons and black board wipes on random planes. Or even find some random evil doers and have them join in on some misadventures.

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>>49466520
...I think I'm starting to regret making VtS.

>>49466492
Pronunciations aren't grammar. They are a regional / cultural thing. It's "Vrow-nawk" like the "o" in Crow and the "a" in Car.

>>49466587
Nope. I have a masters in English and my teaching certification. Vronak is pronounced Vro-nack. If you want to say it's pronounced the other way in Vronak's home culture, fine. But in the real world it's Vro-nack.

>>49466634
Vronock sounds retarded anyways

>>49466492
By the way, Vronak is an actual name.

>>49466634
No you don't. I know for a fact you don't because pronunciation ISN'T apart of grammar. It's apart of dialect. Don't be a fucking fedora wearing sperglord.

Vronak is an actual name. And it's pronounced "Vrônák". Which is Vrow-Nawk".

>>49466634
Yeah, because "car" is pronounced "care". Right?

>>49466687
Vro-knack sounds like an 80's weasely character name. That sounds dumb.

>>49466851
Vronak is a dumb weasely character.

>>49466851
That's exactly what my Vronak is

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>>49466889
You're adorable.

>>49465317
That's understable. Doing an aetherborn character "just because it is new" may be pretty silly, yes, but in the off-hand that it turns out to be good, I don't feel like saying outright no.
>>49465285
If you dislike tolerance, it is not my problem. If you dislike me, not my problem either: I don't feel guilty of anything really.
>>49466823
>fucking fedora wearing sperglord
Can we avoid this kind of stupid insults Vronack, they can only make you be ever less liked.

>>49466987
Hey, I'm telling him not to be one. Acting like he is something he's not to try and make his inaccurate claim sound more plausible. But, alas. I understand your plea, Mordred. Modok. Mudrock. Murdock! Damn, why was that so difficult, Murdy? Now, let's eat a fresh bag of kettle corn and watch The Last Unicorn together.

>>49466987
But it won't be, it'll just be some dumb variation on someone giving them the spark or somehow draining just suddenly starts working that way.

>>49467103
Well then it will be laughed off by the vast majority, man! I'd take the risk, and I understand you wouldn't. We both said our piece, now it is up to the original anon.

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>>49467079
>>49466987

So wait, each Vronak is a different vronak? I had assumed one was a rehash. I was starting to make a comic of it, so which vronak would be a better vronak for it? Who has a larger audience?

>>49467656
Most anons around at the time of his creation don't like original Vronak. New Vronak is a parody of the original.

>>49466841
Why the fuck would car be pronounced "care?" It follows the rules to be pronounced "car." If anything could make it better, it could be spelled "carr" but "car" works too.

>>49466823
Yes, I do. Had you spelled it "Vrônák" then it would be pronounced Vro-nawk. But you didn't. You spelled it "Vronak." And according to standardized modern western English pronunciation of those letters (which you speak if you are Canadian, American, or from the UK)

>>49467883
Pecan.

>>49467883
>fucking hit send too soon
those letters when strung together are pronounced "Vro-nack." While there is a minor tonal shift in dialects, it is not so radical as to change the pronounciation of Vronak into "Vro-nawk."

>>49467920
That's an example of a word adapted from another language that didn't change. It shouldn't be pronounced the way it is, but it is because English is a bastard language. But if you're going to invent words, have the decency to include pronunciation guides on your vowels if pronunciation is a big deal.

For fuck sake, people, pronunciation? Really?

>>49467975
It is you people who decided to speak a language in which a single letter can be read 10 different ways with no indications on how to do it. Your fault, brits.

>>49468065
It's true. Blame the British. They stole a bunch of shit from neighboring languages then spread their bastard language to their colonies, thus further bastardizing and differentiating it. Truth be told, there are more versions of English currently used than can be easily counted.

>>49468112
Fucking hell, Serena.
Why can't you not be an angel hitler.

>>49468147
Because people keep calling her thicc when she is really far past that point.

>>49468211
I mean.... you get all of that mana in one form you get all the right curves in all the right places.

Quick! It doesn't matter if it's by smite, reality shift, lightning bolt, hornet sting or nearly any black spell; I need a flake who can cast a kill spell. Only restrictions is it can only be as complex as "I shoot a beam of magic, it dies."

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>>49468267

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>>49468267

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>>49468282
Cheers

>>49467750
You obviously do not understand dialect. Pronunciation do not matter about spelling. They matter on dialect, regional/cultural tongues. Why is "Han" pronounced both "Hawn" and "Hahhn"? It all comes down to dialect. But, in the instance of Vronak, it's a proper name and had only one pronuncation. Thus, "Vronak" isn't "Vrow-nack" rather "Vrow-nawk".

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>>49468267
All about that burn.

>>49468147
Hey now, you can't blame me for that. Just cause I'm Hitler doesn't mean I have any influence over the English language.

>>49467883
> Canadian
> American
> British
> thinking all of these share the same pronunciation rules
Nope. You're dead wrong. As Vronak isn't an English name what so ever. It's Slovak.

>>49459056

If Terut is spending a lot of time on Theros, I might actually wrote about Izari vs Terut. Not sure how to write Terut's personality, though.

Hey folks. I'm running a little tired today, so in order to make sure that the polls flip over before I pass out, I'm moving up the close on this match-up by one hour.

Get your votes in by 11 PM CST.

>>49468454
But what if we don't want to vote but just complain about it?

>>49468483
Then do that, it's a free internet we live in.

>>49468483
Then get it out of your systems now, because you've got one less hour of it being relevant to the current poll.

>>49468527
I feel that this entire exercise is biased against people who do not wish to participate and that you not catering to my whims, even though I would call you all sluts even if you did.

>>49468828
Sloot

>>49469044
slooot

>>49469044
>>49469246
Sleuth.

>>49468527
hey Ice-age, for the three-way fights would it be possible to do an initial poll for who would lose first, then a second poll to see who would win afterwards?

>>49468527
>>49469272 does sound a lot better. The three for all just muddies things and suddenly antics that wouldn't matter elsewhere suddenly become killer moves apparently. Something like "The top two move onto a normal versus, then vote for the one who would win between them" would be a lot better and cleaner.

>tfw someone posted Serena in another thread.

I don't know how to feel.

>>49470132
How you already feel.

Like
a
Sluuuuut

>>49467712
This, basically.

>>49470132
I mean, it was the best picture for 18 con I thought.

>>49470132
Feel something about the fact that by someone posting in another thread, more than likely numerous spergs have masturbated to Serena's pic.

>>49471521
I know I haven't.

She's not my type.

>>49471521
Just wait until they find all the porn, a new one got drawn like this week.

>>49471551
Good for you.

Did we die?

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Didn't come out as well as I'd hoped.

Vronak, feat. Dyna and Newt

>>49474165
This actually cracks me up. Thanks for this. I would love to see more asshattery with Vronak.

>>49473741
Just not many posters. I'm working on a new flake and everybody else has posted theirs.

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Can an animal that has been magically granted sentience become a planeswalker?

>>49475442
you get a spark at birth, and to have a spark you need to have natural sentience - so I would say no, something given sentience/created to have sentience wouldn't be able to have a spark

>>49475482
So you'd need a genetically engineered species of said animal, sounds like a job for Simic.

>>49475442
A creature has to be born with a spark in order to have one and only creatures that are sapient can house sparks. So only sapient creatures that are born are capable of having sparks from the moment of their conception.

Yet there are instances of sparks being given to created creatures that are sapient, usually involving the sacrifice of the creature that is donating their spark. So sapient creatures that were previously invalid spark carriers can be given sparks.

So, what you need to do is have an animal, have it somehow become magically sapient and have someone care about it enough and think it's important enough to sacrifice their spark for it.

>>49475517
Do you have any examples besides Karn, who was pretty specifically built to house a spark?

>>49475626
He was never built specifically to house a spark, he was built specifically for time travel.

Cite your sources.

>>49475640
Actually, looking it up, it's my mistake. I could've sworn he was intentionally given a "slot" for a spark, but it seems his inheritance of a spark was due to more happenstantial stuff. And while I'll admit I was wrong in my assumption, I'd still like to ask if any being of a species incapable of a spark besides Karn rose to have one. (Ob nixilis who became an invalid species after his spark ignited, and Sorin / Ashling who are normally invalid species from an extenuating plane excluded)

>>49475745
There's no other but he has been given a spark twice.

First from being a fusion of the Legacy Weapon - which included a spark contained within the Mightstone and Weakstone - and second from having a spark donated to him by Venser after his got stripped away during the Mending, cleansing his Phyrexian corruption in the process.

He provides precedent and shows that it can be done. So if you really want to have an invalid but sapient species get a spark, you can use him as precedent and them gain it through donation. It's just a question of whether it's worth jumping through all of the hoops to make it happen.

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>>49464380
Well, I couldn't stay conscious. I guess that the coin flip is punishment for that one.

Let's keep this thing rolling, though.

The following Flakes move on to the next Round:
>Winifred
>Bavara
>Ussa
>Izari

>Gaia VS Huija
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxdGQ0QlpkS3BSN1U?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxN2pndDBSSEI4a1k?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>Phylakteos VS Iosha
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxdFdBaFlJdW5SeEE?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxSUo2UzlsSjVtWkE?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>Domoyl VS Perselus
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxaDRfSTZld1h1bFE?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxbFRna3B2R0JiaU0?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>Nicodemus VS Tok
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxVzkzY0hPQmpzTDQ?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxNktKMHkzck5hODQ?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

DISCUSS! [spoilers]Polls still open around midday and close about midnight.[/spoiler]

>>49476254
>that failed spoiler tag

Man, I gotta wake up.

Also, given that I was super late getting the match-ups posted, I'd just like to point out that no one has to vote at their earliest convenience. If you want to hold off until there's more discussion floating about, that's fine. The polls will be open all day after they go up.

>>49476254
>Gaia vs Huija
This must end in Serena vs Gaia lesbian action, so Gaia it is
>Phywhatever vs Iosha
Only heard of Iosha so she gets it
>Domoyl vs Whatever
Don't care, haven't heard of either
>Whatever vs Tok
Don't care, haven't heard of either

>>49476254
I think the victories will go Gaia, Phy, and Domoyl. The last match I'm torn on. Will read and post more on it later. Work time now.

>>49476311
Your post makes me sad.

>>49476356
You're the asshole that filled this tournament with chaff characters we don't care about.

Give us the sweet stuff.

>>49476362
And we're the assholes who made all of these god-forsaken flakes.

>>49476311
>>This must end in Serena vs Gaia lesbian action
But who would win?

>>49476382
Gaia doesn't have porn and isn't thicc, so Serena, duh.

>>49476382
As long as someone draws it, all of us.
>>49476389
Serena isn't thicc, that's full on fat.

>>49476389
>"Wherever I am, I must also rape" Gaia
>losing to an angel that gets dommed and punished in 90% of her smut
Nah man. Nah.

>>49476389
>>49476411
>Serena making love to an entire plane.
Well then.

>>49476428
She wouldn't be the first rock fucker, and she won't be the last.

>>49476460
>With a simple hand gesture from Gaia, a stream of energy thick as an elephants trunk and glowing with all five colours of mana, erupts from the ground beneath Serena and shoots with the pressure of a fire hose up between her legs and into her wossname.

>>49476411
>it ends in memes

>>49476254
>Gaia vs Huija
Again, she just has a lot of experience. You need a shit ton of raw power and speed to trump it.

>Phylakteos vs Iosha
Probably Sphinx, dude is old as hell and has been at it for ages.

>Domoyl vs Perselus
A very close match, and comes down to nature vs eldritch. I think Domoyl wins because he's very much an anti-flake Hunter with experience dealing with big monsters. Perselus is a rampaging power house, but Domoyl also has the lower boost.

>Nicodemus vs Tok
Depends on who gets the early game. Tok can swarm past control, but only if Nicodemus doesn't shut him down fast.

>>49476746
>Again, she just has a lot of experience. You need a shit ton of raw power and speed to trump it
To add to that, I don't think graveyard hate is gonna do much to stop a raging 5-color elemental.

>>49476776
More colors does not equal more power, otherwise Ugin is the weakest walker, Sarkhan is equal to Bolas and all of the Gatewatch are scrubs.

When will the 5COLOR meme end?

>>49476796
I didn't say it had more power. I just said it was 5-color. But even then, I imagine an elementalist who has figured out how to use 5 colors has probably figured out how to make a pretty huge elemental. And if it's 5-color, it probably has access to more elements and domains than, say, a monoG or monoR elemental.

>>49476796
>when will this 5COLOR meme end
It never began. It's all in your head. Most people realize that a pw able to use 5 colors, and the prerequisites thereof, and has a lot of experience will probably be able to beat a 2-3 color pw that has less experience and access to (most likely) fewer spells. It's not a meme. It's logic.

>>49476796
>More colors does not equal more power
Fine then. I don't think graveyard hate is going to do much stop a raging mono-G elemental. Better?

>>49476796
I thought Ugin's knowledge of mana just transcended color? As in, he learned the nature of the 5 colors and just surpassed them.

>>49477013
Yeah, exactly. But then he gets his ass handed to him by Jace, just because Jace has more experience with a single type of magic.
Domain walkers are not inherently more powerful than monocolored walkers, they just know a larger variety of spells. Doesn't mean the various spells will be better than a few really good spells.

>>49477013
"He has studied the energetic patterns of entire planes—their creation, destruction, and renewal—and he has applied these universal principles to creating his own form of magic. Ugin's magic deals with the transmutation of matter into energy, and it is a power that can be wielded by all."

Ugin's brand of magic is practically based on origin science instead of anything that any color can bring forth. Being a Spirit probably also helps keep his identity colorless.

It's like in DnD, if you were a wizard who unbelievably decided to focus on Universal magic. It's really easy to laugh at that kind of thing because anyone could do it, but that school is also the one that can cast Wish at the upper levels.

>>49477169
>he gets his ass handed to him by Jace
...What? When does that happen? I'm desperately scrounging through their encounters, and I'm pretty sure that never happens.

>>49476853
Again, diversity doesn't equal power. If anything, it's evidence that the flake in question has devoted itself to and mastered none of the colors. It's directionless.
>>49476893
Number of colors known do not equal experience or effectiveness in combat. Otherwise, a Stun Sniper is a more experienced and knowledgeable than Avacyn and therefore should beat Avacyn in combat.

>>49477201
Ah, I see. Makes sense. So he doesn't rely on colors in any way. He's tapped into base mana. Neat.

I don't think he's a spirit, though.

>>49477209
When they were arguing about how to deal with the Eldrazi, they started flinging spells like kids.

>>49477250
No they didn't. I read that article. They just talked. Even when Ugin came around and was pissed at the Gatewatch, he just chastised them and sighed.

>>49477226
I never said 5 colors prerequisites experience. But, most likely, unless the walker ascended with 5 colors it would've taken him or her awhile to learn them.

And going back to Gaia, she's a walker who is confirmed to be very old and experienced. It's written right into her flakesheet.

>>49477201
I'm pretty sure Ugin is not an actual spirit, that was just what the old khans of Tarkir called him. "The spirit dragon" and such.

>>49477201
>>49477244
>>49477373
I'm pretty sure he's a spirit like Serena is an angel of freyalise is an elf. He really favoured a species besides his original one, and as he got stronger he started resembling it and now pretty much functions as one.

>>49477226
>Again, diversity doesn't equal power. If anything, it's evidence that the flake in question has devoted itself to and mastered none of the colors. It's directionless.
If it were any other domain flake, I'd agree with you. But it says on her flakesheet that she "learned and balanced" the five colors. Between that and her in-story accomplishments, I think it would be unfair to say that Gaia is "a jack of all trades and a master of nothing." I mean, even for an oldwalker, making a plane was no small feat. And if her plane has a balance of all 5 colors, and that Gaia is the source of the plane's mana (both things that Gaia anon has said itt) then I think it's safe to say she has more than just a passing knowledge of the 5 colors. I personally would say she would have to have mastered the colors, but since the word "mastered" doesn't appear in her sheet, I'll just leave it at "skilled and experienced."

>>49477450
A few things
First: Freyalise was an oldwalker human who thought elves were the best so she went around looking like one all the time. Oldwalkers lost this ability to be whatever the fuck they wanted during the mending, and everyone snapped back to their baseline form. So what we see Ugin is now is what he's always been.
Second: While he could parade around like basically a sentient mass of mana as an oldwalker, he clearly preferred his normal dragon form, which due to what kind of mana he used and studied, looks mono-colored and ethereal. He looks like a spirit dragon, so the comparatively primitive people of Tarkir called him that.
3. Even less than an angel or a demon, a spirit can't be a planeswalker for the same reason a baseline zombie can't be a planeswalker. A spirit is either the soul of a dead being, which Tarkir's spirits are, or some other sort of incorporeal being inhabiting other things. Incorporeal things like spirits can't hold sparks. You need a soul AND you need a body to have a spark.
Ugin is just an ancient and powerful dragon who looks really ethereal and spirity, so he has the nickname of "Spirit Dragon"
He's not an actual spirit.

>>49477581
This argument would lend to the idea that when you "cast' a Planeswalker, you are just calling in a facsimile that can do the kinds of things that they can do, and therefore you are supplying mana of a style that fuels what their capabilities are.

That being said, that would only raise MORE questions and I hope that you all call me an idiot for making such a connection.

Can we just give this to Gaia, a snowflake that was never designed for this sort of thing but will win it anyway due to a combination of popularity and abilities that were never intended for a pissing contest?

Looking for a 1:1 translation of mechanics into lore is a exercise in futility.

>>49477581
They didn't revert to their original form, they got stuck in whatever form they were taking.

>>49476254
>Gaia vs. Huija
my only problem with the "Gaia is strongest" meme is that at this point, she's facing someone with control with no depicted way to fight back against it. Gaia, does your flake have any answers to control/massive creature hate?

>Phylakteos vs Iosha
the ONLY reason I think Iosha would win is that Phylakteos isn't as much of a control mage as Iosha. While Iosha's spells are all damaging control spells or just flat-out damaging spells, he's got very little removal. My big problem is that I still haven't updated Iosha's sheet to include creatures, a problem with both Nishal and Iosha, but not an intentional move to make it look like they don't summon them. I give this one to Iosha, because getting kicked in the face for casting a spell is a lot worse than the spell just fizzling.

>Domoyl vs. Perselus
this one's hard, because it's a bunch of weenies vs. a handful of big, BIG monsters. I'm assuming that since his story says he does lots of burn, Perselus is very aggro? I'm not voting yet, so if anyone has any other ideas about that I'll listen

>Nicodemus vs Tok
once again, Nicodemus is clearly not a fighting flake. At least this time he's going against something that actually has fighting potential, though. This one goes to Tok, because throwing mushrooms at a nerd would be hilarious

>>49477963
She doesn't need answers to control, she is a five-color elementalist oldwalker elf against some neowalker trash. It's kind of an automatic win and only an idiot would think otherwise.

>>49477973
Read the rules. All oldwalkers are treated as neowalkers in order to scale for power.

>>49477982
But oldwalkers have immense experience and knowledge that literally makes any neowalker a cakewalker.

Point out any instance of an oldwalker being defeated by a neowalker without the assistance of ridiculous plot devices - oh wait, you can't.

Therefore, the five-color oldwalker wins this due to massively superior experience on a near infinite level. Automatically.

Like, it's ridiculous we even have to vote on this. Oldwalker experience is an auto-win.

>>49477973
>ironic memeposting

>>49477862
Please no. While it's tru she was never intended for this kind of 1v1 scenario, she has to work her way through the ranks just like every flake.

>>49478007
Experience means jack shit when you can't do anything with it.

>>49478025
As a highly experienced five-color oldwalker with a vast array of magic, she can do literally anything with it.

>>49478035
Sorin's an Oldwalker and he was beaten by some rocks.

>>49478025
Not that anon, but you can do plenty with oldwalker experience even if you don't have access to the same powers. It's the difference between owning a gun and knowing how to shoot it.

While I don't think oldwalkers auto-win, their knowledge and experience does give them a significant advantage.

>>49478053
Some rocks made by another oldwalker. And he's only WB.

>>49478053
Beaten by some rocks wielded by another oldwalker with more preparation time.

Only oldwalkers can be oldwalkers. This fight is like a scrub trying to use a janky, non-competitive standard deck against a $5000-budget legacy deck in the hands of a sadistic Spike.

>>49478062
Yeah, Sorin's only WB and Nahiri's just WR. That means that if Gaia was canon, she'd be able to beat them both at once because her five colors trumps their four.

>>49477728
As you wish baaaka
On a more serious note, we already know what casting a planeswalker is. It's basically calling their hot line to help, with different versions of them being specific styles you probably ask for. Calling Chandra, SoD is literally flavored as "Hey Chandra, babe, I need your help. Can you get over here, please. Bring that fire you were throwing on Kaladesh." and for whatever reason, she showa up to help. They all pretty much have some sort of reason for sure though.

>>49477963
It actually doesn't look like Huija has massive control or creature hate. Really, he only has the two anti-creature spells. The rest of his flavor and cardlist shuts down all graveyard mechanics that aren't his. And Gaia's not a necromancer, so I don't think it's a big deal.

>>49477963
>Is Perselus very aggro?

He's more aggressive midrange than straight aggro.

>>49478007
Experience as a nuclear bomber pilot doesn't mean anything when you're given a rocket launcher and sent to the front lines on foot.

That's Gaia right now. Or worse, make a legacy player build a deck and play standard with no time to adjust or study the meta because they could just use their legacy decks to shit on everyone.

>>49478253
What if you have experience as both a nuclear bomber pilot and as a footsoldier with a rocket launcher? That's Gaia right now.

>>49478253
It's more likely experience as an elite assassin trained in all methods of killing, equipped with the resources of a common thug, fighting common thugs equipped in the same fashion.

She isn't specialized in something esoteric that requires lots of resources. She's a five-color oldwalker which makes her objectively superior to any other flake, a master of every color, an incredible warrior and with eons of experience in just about everything that you could imagine.

Gaia wins.

>>49478303
Gaia is an elementalist. Control keeps her from attacking with whatever she makes

>>49478322
>Five color is superior to three or less colors
But that's wrong. The fewer colors you use, the faster and more streamlined your magic is.

>>49478329
Gaia is more that an elementalist. You're changing what she sno-canonically is to fit your argument. Read her powers and abilities sheet.

>>49478348
Not necessarily. It depends on your spell list and specialization.

>>49478322
Technically, that is all true. And that is exactly why she was never intended to fight another flake and should be disqualified from the competition.

I swear you guys and "oldwalker experience" is starting to sound more "Does batman have prep time" tier

>>49478348
Also this is true. The less colors you use the lass mana intensive and complex your mana base is.

>>49478348
Nope. She's a master of all colors of mana. She's able to use them at the same speed as a monowalker and in just as streamlined a fashion, because she is a highly experienced five-color oldwalker.

Could we just petition Gaia anon to make a post mending sheet for his titular flake?

>all this autism
Jesus christ.

>>49478738
We already have it. She's a master of five colors of mana, an oldwalker with eons of experience, millennia of combat magic and more to boot. A post-Mending version of that wouldn't change anything in terms of combat ability.

>>49478738
He already kind of addressed her post-mending in the "powers and abilities" doc beside her flakesheet. I only skimmed, but it sounds like even post mending she's a heavy hitter.

Just drop Gaia from the Ice Age
FUCK

>>49478966
We should have disqualified her in round 1. Why did no one call for her disqualification?

>>49479103
Because she's nothing special as far as oldwalkers-turned-nuwalkers go?

>>49479118
All the arguing itt begs to differ. No other oldwalker has made people on both sides shit bricks like this.

>>49479103
Because she doesn't technically bend the lore in any way.

>>49479129
Probably because they forgot the planeswalkers in question were actually oldwalkers.

Most of the brick shitting is about the 5 colors anyway.

>>49479118
She's an older-than-Bolas five-color oldwalker with an amount of time spent as a soldier that dwarfs Ugin's lifespan.

>>49479161
True. Unfortunately, it's hard to make a good argument either way about domain planeswalkers, because there is no domain planeswalker in canon to reference. And there aren't many domain entities beyond planar Avatars even. I think the closest example to a domain planeswalker you can get to is Karona, and her even having a spark is debatable. But I can't think of another close analogy to the archetype that Gaia is.

>>49479241
Ok, now you're just making shit up to be obtuse, you troll. Her age is stated nowhere. I just got done looking through the repo for it.

IIRC, Gaia wasn't a fan of all of the bickering that happened during the previous Rounds.

Honestly, I agree in the idea that there shouldn't be this much controversy. An oldwalker post-mending is much weaker than they were, so you need to gauge them by their own strengths and weaknesses. Five colors does not include everything within those five colors, which is why you look to preferred spell lists or other written information in order to gauge what is or is your forte.

Determine for yourselves what she is most likely to do in a confrontation, and make your choice.

The polls will be up shortly.

*sigh*

...Ok. I'm on now. Throw your questions at me and let's get this debate settled.

>>49479988
How does Gaia work post-mending?

>>49480016
Like every other really old oldwalker, she forgot a lot of her old spells and lost most of her raw power. However, she still has all of her experience to fall back on. Amongst other things, she remembers how leylines, planar magics, and mana itself works on a macro scale. In other words, she still remembers how to make planes and planar spaces. She just lacks the raw power to do so on a macro level like before. She retains the ability to make small demi-planes, but they are rather small and don't last.

So, basically, she functions exactly the same way as other oldwalkers post-mending.

What areas of that explanation would you like me to detail? I have an entire document that talks about it in her repo.

>>49479988
Do you think she could beat Huija?

>>49480222
Yes. I don't think she is invincible, but she's definitely a heavy hitter and Huija definitely doesn't have the right loadout to deal with her imo.

Though I think she would much prefer to sit down and have a nice cup of tea with him.

>>49480318
Didn't you say earlier that you wanted her knocked out earlier?

>>49480440
I'd prefer it to the senseless bickering back and forth. But this time around there at least seems to be some lore discussion that spawned from it, which is nice. As it stands, I leave it to Ice Age anon's judgement. If he thinks the arguing is too out of hand, he reserves the right to remove her from the competition.

>>49480478
In terms of how the tournament plays out, I don't care about the bickering.

In terms of the thread itself, I don't like the bickering.

Like the difference between business and pleasure, you know?

>>49480528
Yeah, I feel ya. I personally can deal with it so long as there's some lore discussion that spawned from it. But that's just me. The way I see it, there will always be tedious and assanine things to argue about on /tg/. I just don't like it when that arguing revolves around steel donut I made.

>>49480568
*asinine

Fuck

>>49476254
http://www.strawpoll.me/11287164
http://www.strawpoll.me/11287165
http://www.strawpoll.me/11287166
http://www.strawpoll.me/11287167

Polls.

I honestly see this coming down to Gaia vs Ka. I don't see anyone else that can beat either of those two in a straight up fight.

>>49480663
>inb4 some really crazy stuff happens during the next Round

Reminder that the next Round is ALL THREE-FLAKE FREE-FOR-ALLS.

Everyone's got twice as much chance to be countered, and only the flakes most capable of holding their own in a more dire situation will make it to Round Five.

>>49480663
I'd pay to watch that fight.

>>49480715
>tfw the next round is all FFA
>tfw your flake is all about X burns and wraths
Sounds fair.

>>49479241
> She's an older-than-Bolas five-color oldwalker with an amount of time spent ON soldiers that dwarfs Ugin's lifespan
Ftfy.

>>49480193
You don't just forget spells unless you just never used them for decades. But, they just became harder to cast as you don't have a literal God-power fueling them.

>>49480715

Man. Izari might be ok because she's all about the deathtouch and regen, but it's getting intense.

>>49481201
Really? Huh. Well then, I guesa she hasn't forgotten any spells. Except necromancy. She intentionally wiped that knowledge from her head ages ago so she wouldn't be tempted to go down that road again.

>>49481181
Ok, that got a good laugh out of me.

>>49480715
>Reminder that the next Round is ALL THREE-FLAKE FREE-FOR-ALLS.
Literally why? Just to give easy wins to sneaky people and wrathcasters?

>>49481367
Because the numbers are mathematically garbage. The only actual purpose is to cause the final rounds to divide down evenly.

>>49481320
You're welcome.

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Hope you guys like this guy.

By the way, his name is pronounced:
> "Nee-ko Bar-Buh-Roy"

>>49482402
>Vronak is the China of flake making
>Mass produced garbage

>>49483539
> pffsh
China makes hot bitches and olympians.

>>49483539
What's garbage about Nico?

>>49482402
Man, this guy is all over the place.
First he's supposed to be tragic and lucked out of dying.

Then he's powerful and continued mastering his spell area, because the author shrugged their shoulders. And he's supposed to be mysterious with too many words on the subject.

And then finally he's supposed to be your typically relatable rogue.

Thank god /pol/ isn't here, or you'd have gotten shat on just for him being a gypsy.

And then also, he's supposed to be enchantment focused, but the back end of his preferred methods are direct elimination spells that are easy to cast. And a Vampiric Tutor for reasons. Which, it'd understandable that you want some kind of diversity, they seem to be jarringly unlike anything that's been alluded to.

It's not there aren't good things here, it's that there's an awkward amount of "just because" going on here. Make everything count for something.

>>49484177
So then, what would you suggest on making the "just because" parts "count for something"?

>>49484291
This sheet is a bio, yeah?

Figure out everything that you think is needed to know about the character for the reader to get a feel for who they are, and cut the rest out. Then in terms of what you've got and what your cards are, ask yourself "did what I write make sense to the rest of it, or am I just saying it?"

Everyone's good/bad at writing as my own explanation probably just demonstrated, but the general rule of thumb is that you want everything to be concise and sensible to your reader. I'll give you some more thorough feedback below here:

Now, if you want to, you could make his "current activities" writing sensibly related to his gypsy background. The problem is that as soon as you point out that he's a gypsy in the bio, it's immediately put into harsh contrast with his extremely magical backstory and is sort of easily glossed over, despite the fact that the word "Gypsy" is repeated several times.

Wanting to be mysterious is fine in its own way, but his motivations probably should be explained, while the thing that he's hiding should be trying less hard to help you guess what it is (otherwise it isn't so mysterious after all, is it; spell it out or keep everyone guessing, don't try to do both).

His casual side and personality rears its way in the third paragraph. This is a little bit late to say who someone is, but the boastful side of him is refreshing given how little humanity is there beforehand. Again though, his reason for finding strength is missing, which at that point just gives off the impression that he's strong just because. The last line feels very thrown in.

>>49478738
Hey, I forgot to mention in the last thread, but that comic you made with Ka'koarm trying to ride a bike was fucking hilarious. Keep up the good work!

>>49484504
Agreed. It was fucking gold.

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>>49484504
Much appreciated; I'm flattered by everyone's positive feedback.

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>>49484532
On an unrelated note, I realized I never uploaded my take on Arkhesh's psychometry I made a while back.

>>49484452
I actually have wrong guesses for the reason to his blindness. And I could have added it in, but I didn't think about it at the time, but the motivation for his power hungry goals is so that he can become powerful enough to return home and kill his demon father.

>>49484557
Noice.

Make a comic based on the concept "SkyREEEEEEEEEEEEE"

>>49484532
You should do a comic about somebody trying to bother Cala while she's reading.

So I know I made Venn's Planar Shifted version a buncha threats ago, but part of me wants to make her a full on character at this point and have her do adventures as sort of a villianous foil to Venn in this verse.

Awesome or too silly?

>>49484860
I think it'd be neat

I've been meaning to actually get the shifted Nishal and Iosha down for a while, but I'm lazy.

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Planeshifted Flakes?

Planeshifted Flakes.

>>49484904
If you insist.

Also, planeshifted Cala is hot as hell. Pun not even intended. She's just straight up smoking.

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While the topic is here: How would a fight between your flake and their planeshifted version go?

>Pic Very Much related

>>49484979
Cala the Half-Devil VS Cala the Demon

Just a barrage of annihilating their own and each other's minds. Planeshifted Demon-Cala wins though, because she's more powerful and savage.

>>49484979

Like most of the things involving Sonia, the WR version wins by default over her WG self.

I understand there's a good reason why nobody else took the character angle of being a pacifist in a universe as violent as MTG, but I still stand by it as an angle. If a guy can use his phenomenal cosmic powers mostly to smuggle cigars, a neowalker that doesn't fight all the time isn't that out there.

>>49484970
This is what happens when your cute, quirky devil-girl is made demonic instead and she loses her mind. Barely anything resembling human left in there, she's just a directionless thing that brings flame, death, and madness wherever she goes.

Both versions of her are some kind of tragic, this one is just worse for everyone else.

>>49484979
Regular Nishal would get utterly destroyed. A Jund, Compleated Nishal vs. A GW, mostly-flesh Nishal? not even a competition.

Regular Iosha would win; planeshifted Iosha is Gruul, and Gruul vs. Esper just doesn't go well for the red guy.

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>>49484970
Better image. It doesn't have that stupid formatting problem now.

>Everyone says their flake would get destroyed.

LAZY WRITING JERKS. There is ALWAYS a way the underdog wins.

In Venn vs Vennessa, it's R/W equipment and burn verses U/B Eldrazi and control. Vanessa has the better spell quality and can fizzle Venn's spells, but that doesn't mean he can't Kudoltha Forgemaster a Darksteel Colossus in to go all Pacific Rim on her ass.

Another question: How CAN your normal flake beat their PlaneShifted version?

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>>49484979
Honestly? I have no idea. Colorless Gaia has an army of cheap artifacts. Normal Gaia has a wider variety of spells cast at a higher power level. I could honestly see the fight going back and forth and lasting forever.

>>49485206
She can't. What I did to Cala is BAD.

Normal Remes beats Planeshifted Remes, though. Planeshifted Remes never ignited. He is among the uncounted planeswalkers who never have anything intense enough happen to them that it would set off their spark; or else he died so suddenly that it never happened.

>>49485206

>WR Sonia vs WG Sonia

Giving it a little more thought, WG Sonia can win in the same sense she views "victory" any confrontation, which is to endure, heal, and soothe until the enemy's will to fight disappears. WR Sonia's destructive magic is supposed to be karmic in nature, so it is much weaker against someone that is doing nothing to incite retribution.

Sonia vs Sonia would ultimately be a question of if victory goes to the wind or the tree that bends with it. Either the tree turns with the blows and stands victorious without fighting back once the wind blows itself out, or the wind is too ferocious and the tree lies broken or uprooted.

It'd admittedly have to be some pretty unusual circumstances for the two to fight even if they met, since the normal Sonia will do anything BUT fight to reach a solution while the planeshifted Sonia is still not the kind of person whose sense of justice can in any way justify repeatedly attacking someone making no attempt to fight back.

Kind of a shame I wasn't around during the phase when people were shifting their walkers. It might've been more interesting to do Astera or Dyna.

>>49484532
How did Iosha get so big? Isn't angerfish, like, fucking huge?

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>>49485206

What is color shifted GB, UW? I don't even know what a UW Izari would be.

Let's see, given her story, she would likely be W primary and U secondary. Seeing as Grixis was devoid of White, that means she'd have used a lot of U magic, and as a human, she'd likely be an illusionist. This is backed up by Traumatic Visions replacing Absorb Vis.

Now, when the Conflux happened, she would have been flooded with white mana, sparked, and landed on Theros. Instead of landing in a swamp near a temple of Pharika, she lands in Meletis and becomes a disciple of Ephara. She uses her white mana to build and bolster her allies and her illusion magic to distract or hide from her enemies.

I think she would have a lot of blink magic fluffed as illusions blinking away and a real one taking it's place, some counter magic, tokens, and buffs.

Would Izari be able to fight that? I think it would be a good fight, and I think it would come down to BG Izari being able to detect and drain life. She would be able to "see" past the illusions, which would then leave the "tokens" to deal with.

It would be cool to watch, I think.

>>49485259
Horrible wording, Gaia.

>>49486361
This is literally lifted from other cards and after I'd modified the wording, like, 5 times based on others' advice. Christ, make up your mind, flake thread.

>>49486375
The first ability should be "Search your library for a basic land card and put it into play tapped."

The other abilities are a-ok.

>>49485206
Oh, man, Venn. You and I are the opposite.

I like VILLAINS.

Troublemakers, hammy overlords, chessmasters, the whole lot of them. I like watching good guys lose. Sure, underdogs are good, but they're always so much better when they had to step up their game BECAUSE the bad guys were that much better.

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>>49486395
Fine. I'll change it.

This work?

>>49486399
Vronak the Reanimator's Planeshifted flake is Vronak the Slayer. So, Vronak would win.

>>49486412
Love ya'.

>>49486417
But Vronak the Slayer isn't Vronak's flake
but yeah, in Vronak vs. Vronak, Vronak would win.

>>49486399
Oh I know, villains can be fucking amazing as well. I write villains doing the dastardliness things for fun.

>>49486417
Let's not kid ourselves. Nobody wins in that situation. Not even the viewers at home.

>>49486430
I see through your lies.

>>49486459
Vronak always wins. Unless you purposely vote against him. But, that doesn't count.

About 20 minutes left to vote if you didn't do it yet.

The next match-ups are the last for the Round, and the last set in the bunch is a three-way battle.

>>49486494
>Vronak always wins
that's bullshit and you know it

>>49486528
That's the point. No one always wins. Not even the man that never loses, which he totally did.

>>49486494
Vronak always wins except when he doesn't.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11289926

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>>49476254
>>49480634
The following Flakes move on to the next Round:

>Gaia
>Phylakteos
>Domoyl
>Tok

The next match-ups are as follows:

>Andromeda VS Ariadne
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxS3gxaV9wM3UxNDQ?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxTzdLeDBWQXl3dlU?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>Naran VS Amund
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxQXh2Nnphb3lFbEE?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxRHNMbDBZLVVtSzg?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>Cala VS Argyle
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxVnRUVzNYZHF5Tkk?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUmJBOFM2ZXpHT1E/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxTkVFMndvcG5Nb3c?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8


>Acervus VS Starke VS Anna
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxSTVDNzRKYVc5amM?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxZHFsaFV6SWVqYVE?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxNnVnU2NVOFFJVWM?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxNHFXVVFvQnpJX3M/view?usp=sharing

And nice try to the person who slipped in a vote in the last handful of minutes. I almost didn't catch it in time to make the coin toss before I posted to confirm the winner.

>Angel VS Demon
Uhh...

>Naran VS Amund
I think the treefolk wins.

>Cala VS Argyle
"There are millions of souls in my head and they are ALL SCREAMING THAT THEY ARE ON FIRE."

>Three-Flake Battle
Probably one of the two knight flakes. Not sure which.

>>49486774
>Andromeda vs Ariadne
Ariadne's a confirmed oldwalker if she comes from Serra's Realm so auto-win.
>Naran and Amund
Naran's two colors shows she has more mastery of magic than Amund's one color so auto-win.
>Cala and Argyle
No auto-win here, so I'm going with Cala because she's cute.
>Acervus and Starke and Anna
Starke's three-color so that's an auto-win against the two two-color flakes.

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>>49487345

Stop trying to force new memes. It's not going to be a thing.

>>49487345
It's like you live to vex me.

Keep trying all you like, by all means, but I think you'll find yourself a very vocal minority among people that have at least an ounce of scrutiny to them.

>>49487365
Quite the meme-slayer, there.

>>49487345
> oldwalker means auto-win
Literally doesn't matter. Oldwalker power was stifled with the Mending and they are no more powerful than a neowalker. Only living thousands of years makes you more knowledgeable of more powerful spells. That's all.

>>49488324
>Only living thousands of years makes you more knowledgeable of more powerful spells. That's all.

In a game where spells are everything, that's like saying 'a man with a nuke and all the facilities required to deploy it is on the same level as a man with bare fists.'

>>49486983
If the two knights fight long enough for Anna to bring out a Void Winnower, she might win.

>>49488446
Yeah, not all oldwalkers are thousands of years old. In fact, the Mending was only like 80-90 years ago, I believe.

just got back from prerelease, went 2-2 because more than 60% of the cards I pulled were useless spells.

but I did manage to trade away a fastland I was never gonna use for all the story cards, so I'm pretty satisfied.

>>49489093
Hey! I went 2-2 also because I didn't pull shit. My prize packs pulled the mythic vehicle and mythic ug chick.

>>49489122
you got prizes? lucky, my store was only giving them to the 3+ winners. Someone actually managed to get Dovin Baan in a pack and Chandra as their promo, then pulled two fastlands in their prizes.

I'm helping judge for an event in 6 hours so I have no time to sleep after waking up 24 hours ago, kill me

>>49489158
Yeah? Someone at my store got a Chandra and a Lotus Petal. At my store, there were like six or seven people who got Masterpieces. And one guy pulled a promo Chandra and another pulled a normal foil Chandra. And I got shit.

>>49486774
>Andromeda vs Ariadne
Ariadne is a serra angel and so, as we all should know, a pussy. However, Andromeda is weaker than Pegasus.
All in all I think that the aggressive, head on approach of the totally-not-a-deamon girl will not serve her well against an angel and her arsenal of self-protective spells.
Why does the angel have a spider name, by the way?

>Naran vs Amund
Both flakes are very head-on in their approach, but ultimately I think Amund's sheer sturdiness will serve him well in winning this.

>Cala vs Argyle
Cala is young and unexperienced, but incredibly versatile. Argyle is basically Ermac, but lacking the cool green fire. I think he would be just too sluggish to withstand Cala's barrages before being able to muster some sort of counterattack.
Unless Ermac spams his Down-Back-X, that is.

>Acervus VS Starke VS Anna
As with every three-way, I favor the trickier one of the bunch. I can very well see the two knights kicking the shit out of each other, only for the survivor to suddenly see the shadow of a giant TiTi monster raising behind himself. Had them been different flakes, maybe they would have ganged up on Anna first, but in this combination I say she takes the win.

>>49484979
Mudock's alternate is some exalted champion of angels chick that vastly overpowers regular Murdock in terms of sheer strenght. But is also naive, honorable to a fault and prone to self sacrifice, so she would just do some stupid mistake and let regular Murdock pull some underhanded tricks to grab a totally undeserved victory.

>>49486983
>"There are millions of souls in my head and they are ALL SCREAMING THAT THEY ARE ON FIRE."

Underrated joke.

>>49489122
I got the ug girl as my promo, went 0-2 before dropping because I was a sleepy bugalug.

>>49491421
That seems like a pretty nice pull though. She's around $4 non-foil I think.

>>49491678
It was, I'm fighting the temptation to go another round because I have DnD sometime around 5

>>49491708
I want to sign up for another tournament too. But, I already preordered two boxes and I really should wait and see what I pull from them. Hell, I can always buy a prerelease pack afterwords. My store gets so many of them that they always have boxes full left over.

>>49486774
http://www.strawpoll.me/11292620
http://www.strawpoll.me/11292619
http://www.strawpoll.me/11292621
http://www.strawpoll.me/11292623

Polls.

>>49492397
Hey, the captcha is completely covering up Anna.

>>49492475
Strawpoll's been weird like that lately. Just readjust your window size.

>>49486774
Read all these and I'm not going to type up discriptive reasons why these would win, I'm lazy and keeping it simple.

> Androm vs Aria
Literally Angel/Demon/Big Game Hunter versus Typical Angel. Andromeda wins by a long shot.

> Naran vs Amund
Hunter vs Tree. Naran wins.

> Cala vs Argyle
Devils vs Ghosts. Cala wins by a long shot.

> Free for All
I'll keep it short. Starke wins.

>>49493253
Posting your votes without the reasonment behind them is literally the opposite of what you are supposed to do. If you post it is to discusss WHY you think a flake would win. Otherwise your post may as well not exist.

>>49489122
Got a Pia Nalaar as my promo, opened a Chandra and a R/W fastland, ended up building W/G goodstuff splashing red for those two.

>>49493687
More or less this, actually.

If the point of discussion is to both discuss the lore-based aspects of what's going on and to theorize the results, then ideally you want to say something that adds to the conversation or attempts to sway others into thinking the same thing.

>>49494513
Honestly, I just don't have much to add this time around. When I do have something to say, I speak up.

>>49489093

I went 2-2 as well because I got mana fucked 4/5 games. One time, I mulliganed to 5 and saw ONE land in all 3 hands. I showed my deck to a friend, and he couldn't believe that I was 1-2 at the time.

>>49493973
I wish I got a Chandra. Well, hopefully I can pull a couple with my two boxes on next Friday.

>>49494748
See, I got fycked on my pulls. Built a Green/Red rush and pump. Went 2-2. Literally all my games that I lost except for one were extremely close ending with my opponent with less than 5 life. The one other was me getting mana screwed and they won with 12 life still. It sucks losing when they have 1-4 life left after such horrible pulls. Guess that's the luck of the draw though.

>>49494748
How many lands did you have in your deck?

>>49484979
If Skyre got planeshifted, he'd probably turn into a shade and lose his spark since he ded. He'd stay unable to rest, however, so it'd be a card like:
Skyre, Cessation Denied
No mana cost
Legendary creature - shade
As long as Skyre is in your graveyard, you may activate one of his abilities per turn.
As long as Skyre is in your graveyard, he may have loyalty counters placed on him.
Place 1 loyalty counter on Skyre: Target creature gets -X/-X until end of turn where X is its power.
Remove 8 loyalty counters from Skyre: For each creature, it gets -X/-X until end of turn where X is its toughness and its controller loses 2 life when it dies this turn.
0/0

Realistically, normal skyre would just walk away, but if it has to be a fight, since neiþer has any forme of offense even approaching his opponent's immortal / ceaseless defense, it'd be a draw. I mean, if Skyre wins a fight it's by taxing and comeuppance-ing whatever's attacking him and maybe a stray spirit while toughing out all his licks.

>>49489093
I went 2-2 because I pulled enough for a mediocre RG energy deck or a mediocre RW servo deck and I chose wrong.

>>49495431

17, and I flooded twice.

Fuck, MtG novel torrents are basically impossible to find.

So, snowstorm, what's bringing your flake to Kaladesh?

>>49498149
Bitches and coke and coked out goblins in jetpacks.

>>49498149
Thane's probably not heading to Kaladesh. He's too much of a spellslinger of a character and would probably ruin shit faster than Chandra.

I was thinking of making an artifact walker, but don't feel like hunting down artwork.

>>49496595
That's too many. 15 or 16 if you have just a couple of 4-7 mana cost cards. 14 if you have only 3 or less 4-5 mana cost cards with mostly 3 drops.

>>49498149
Igan's coming to RACE.

>>49498251
>and would probably ruin shit faster than Chandra.
I think that is literally impossible.

>>49498838
Whatchu talkin' about? Chandra doesn't ruin shit. When I open a pack of Kaladesh and see her ginger face, it makes my day.

>>49498872
She ruins ya boipuss

>>49498904
Neah! She gets that dick so hot.

NEW THREAD

I know it's a bit early. But fuck it.

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