How do you stat autism? How would you play a compelling

>>49399020
I wouldn't.

I wouldn't.

>>49399020
3 Cha
3 Wis
28 Int

>>49399034
Low WIS eh? I guess they autofail sense motive. But wouldn't they be decent at spot checks?

>>49399046
It's part of the autism flaw. They can't have a wis or cha score above 3, but treat awareness-related skills like they ran off int.

Got an autistic younger brother. He's basically like this. Really smart and aware of his surroundings, but stubborn as fuck and really bad at anything social.

>>49399020
In GURPS, it would be a collection of disadvantages and advantages depending on the type of autism you want your character to have. Disadvantages like Shy and an Odious Personal Habit, as well as Bad Temper.

Advantages like Lightining Calculator, or an Ally (your caretaker if you need one, i think theres a specific advantage for when your character is a dependent i need to look). Higher IQ attribute could also be justified.

>>49399034
Autism doesn't make you smarter it just makes you better at categorizing things sometimes. Autistic savants are also incredibly rare.

>>49399020
In a SPECIAL system, they'd have great I and A, but fucking awful C.

>>49399092
Do they really have shit will saves though? If they're stubborn I imagine they'd be very determined. With WIS 3 you've got what, -4 to Will saves?

>>49399157
Let's put it this way, just because you're stubborn, doesn't mean your will save is good. If you can't mentally and emotionally stand things like strong smells or somebody talking too loud, your will save is going to be shit.

>>49399148
Wait, high Agility? Did you mean high Perception?

>>49399142
Right- even then for savants its more of a +6 skill ranks in one thing right?

>>49399142
But it doesn't prevent you from being smart. And since I'm going mage...

>>49399157
They're stubborn, yes, but people with actual autism tend to shut down when they encounter objectionable stuff, or any sort of emotional distress. They don't really fit well into "will save" because that's such a broad save category.

>>49399180
>A is for Agility
>I am for retarded
You're right, I'm just fucking stupid.

Is it possible for an autist to be a leader?

>>49399142
>>49399092

I would personally call it a need for categorization, and being inept at socialization because of not being able to pick up and understand subtle social cues and put them in their proper context to know what to do in response results in constant pressure, discomfort and awkwardness.

Hence the love of RPGs - they have more defined rules for social interaction.

So maybe be a mage that works through golems, telepathy/enchantment, or other tricks that allow them to either avoid direct contact with people or just brute-force it?

>>49399227
Probably only if he's the most charismatic autist in the group of autists.

>>49399248
What about Howard Hughes?

>>49399227
Not really. Good leadership requires a great deal of social awareness and a deep understanding of the people you're leading. Two things that are particularly difficult for autism sufferers.

>>49399263
Hughes had OCD, not Autism. So he could be eccentric, but was good with social ques and such at least until he started worsening. It is possible to start developing more mental illnesses if one goes untreated for very long, and he also had some nerve damage from a plane crash which could have played into making things worse. It's possible he picked up autism-like tendencies in his later years through OCD and other problems piling up.

>>49399310
I thought OCD was just a spectrum of autism

-5 on saves against pain inflicting spells or any other spell which negatively affects tactile perception.

>Lack of a face when research has shown that autistic kids are less likely to visibly react to pain stimuli while having pain stimuli activate far larger regions of the brain than normal children

:)

>>49399416
I know Asbergers is, but everything I've read says that OCD is completely different. OCD people just have compulsion to do certain behaviors, like wash their hands every five minutes, or unconsciously practice certain rituals, like having to turn the lights on and off five times every time you enter the room. They have full social ability for things like picking up on ques and such, they just happen to be thrown off because they are driven to compulsive behaviors, like clicking their tongue a specific number of times before speaking.

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>>49399020
Easy: over hype the crap out the Mage in question.

(While I do think narset is good, and that you guys are talking about RPGs, I couldn't help myself make about her impact in standard).

>>49399020
>How would you play a compelling autistic mage?

Just be yourself, Anon.

http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/44266/?

Like this.

> reload, draw and fire freakishly fast. > telekinetic energy
> all attacks have an extra push
> immune to poison.
> skin shimmers with a gel that no flame can penetrate.
> throw things really far and fast

>>49399227

Yeah, quite possible. Especially in a job that works mostly with Public Speaking.

Public Speaking isn't honestly that hard for me and I'm 'I have a piece of paper about it and everything' Autistic. It doesn't involve directly reading individual people and is rather well structured.

>>49399227
Depends on the form of leadership.

>>49399034
>>49399046
>>49399092

pls note that charisma is used for imagination, and wisdom is used for perception awareness. just give penalties to social checks.

don't be dumbbums~

>>49399436
guys I think I might be autistic

help

>>49399175
I thought Will saves were all about having a strong sense of self and being too stubborn to bend to someone else's will?

>>49399227
Yeah - if he's in a position where others have to obey him and he's dealing with large numbers of people (so he can systemise instead of empathising), he could easily be some form of politician or rabble-rouser. I've heard someone suggest Hitler might have been a sperg, which is pretty funny.

>>49399020

GURPS is probably the best system for this. You'll want to play a high-functioning autistic, since low-functioning would be a huge disadvantage and give you tons of points, making you realistically more capable than you should be.

First thing to do is to take a few flaws that represent trouble understanding other people and general social problems.

From there, it all depends on how autistic you want the character to be. Take a flaw representing overreaction to some stimuli and a perk representing under-reaction to another (many autists don't mind unusual temperatures, but many others hate them, for example). You might want more flaws to represent how you might be easily scared by threats to your person, and maybe a perk that makes you less scared by threats to others (low empathy, and extra points have to go somewhere).

Since you're high-functioning, minmax the fuck out of intelligence. Other stats should realistically be somewhere slightly below average, although there's nothing stopping you raising them a little. Raise a few skills really high and leave the rest pretty low (unless you need a few points in them to be useful) , to represent how you only really care about your special interests. Maybe get a couple of perks representing knowledge of a specific field, or being so stubborn that you won't back down (could also be a flaw).

Basically, create a character who's pretty clever and really good at magic, but mediocre at other things, with a lot of difficulty socialising or even living independently (this bit's optional, since high-functioning adults usually learn how to care for themself.)

>>49402501

you clearly haven't been in a special ed room where one kid starts crying and the rest start getting angry and screaming because the others also are getting angry and screaming, creating an infinite feedback loop of autistic anger and misery

their will save is in negatives.

>>49402715
>Since you're high-functioning, minmax the fuck out of intelligence.

>autist
>automatically intelligent

>>49399020
Just be yourself, OP.

>>49403180
Sperg here. This is 100% correct. One of them goes off, all of them go off. There was this one ADHD kid in my primary school who would get extremely violent and I heard that he set off all of the kids in the special education classes in high school.

I still wonder what became of him all of these years later. Maybe he's dead or in jail. Maybe even in a psyche ward. Maybe he's leading a completely normal life.

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>>49399020
>How do you stat autism?
Low WIS
Low CHA
Unemployment

>How would you play a compelling autistic mage?
This might be the one time where "just b urself" is sound advice

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>>49399020

D&D: High Int and Wis, abysmal Charisma.

Just make pic related a mage, but with autism instead of Aspergers.

>>49399020
Just do what I would do I guess. Not sure if it would be what's average though, I'm pretty high-functioning and I've been practising human interaction much more diligently than some of the other poor souls I've shared units with.

>>49399227
I get away with it when I have time to observe the people I'm leading in the wild for a bit and I have good control of information to keep people in the dark as I please. Being able to reliably guess what people are up to is what I need.

>>49401821
You'll be okay. It's not that bad.

>>49404208
>but with autism instead of Aspergers.
There's no difference between the two. Up until some years ago psychologists and psychiatrists differentiated between Classical Autism (basically the kids who keep stacking blocks and can barely function IRL), Asperger's syndrome (no explanation needed) and PDD-NOS (ie. demonstrating some but not all signs of Asperger's syndrome). In 2014 (I think) the DSM-IV got updated and all of the three aforementioned disorders were classified as simply Autism, ranging from low functioning to high functioning (the latter meaning that in day-to-day life, they can function on the same level as someone neurotypical).

So Asperger's and High Functioning Autism are one and the same (but don't tell Chris-chan that, it rustles his jimmies).

>>49404472

nah it is he's fucked

>>49399034
The common belief that "autists are geniuses" is harmful most of all to themselves. While it's true that there are autistic savants, they are extraordinarily rare - far more so, for that matter, than people with autism who also suffer from mental retardation. I've met a lot of people in whose minds autism either HAS to include or is even defined by this high intelligence, which leads to them pegging people with autism who don't possess it as either "faking it" or just retards.

Most autistic people have average intelligence, same as all other people.

>>49404506
>CWC
>high-functioning
uhhh

>>49404604
People aren't used to thinking about people with developmental disorders as highly intelligent, which means that when they hear about their existence, it sticks with them. The media realized at some point that people associate autism with geniuses, made all Hollywood autists brilliant, and continued the cycle (people gain most of their knowledge about subjects like that through the media, resulting in them embracing whatever ideas it sells them, resulting in them being reluctant to try anything else, resulting in the media continuing to sell them what they buy).

>>49404640
Believe it or not, but by most official standards, he is. The autism spectrum doesn't measure how easily you make friends on the internet, it measures things like whether you'd be able to theoretically accomplish basic livelihood feats like taking care of yourself day-to-day, going to the store, managing your bank account, etc.

CWC is lazy, infantile, deluded, and a horrible person, but insofar as his autism goes he has the POTENTIAL to function like an almost normal member of society (hence high functioning).

He chooses not to, which just goes to prove the above.

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>>49404640
He is most likely high functioning autistic. It's theorized (and at this point theories are all we have) that Chris' full retard behavior can be traced to other sources than (exclusively) autism, including narcissism and incompetent parenting. Especially now that the Lumberjack is in the Great Forest in the Sky and Barb a fucking landwhale.

http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Chris_and_psychology

>>49404681
Are you sure, though?

>>49404699
>Especially now that the Lumberjack is in the Great Forest in the Sky and Barb a fucking landwhale.
w-what

>>49404712
>Are you sure, though?
IIRC, the definition of high-functioning autism is that you have an ASD and your IQ is higher than 70. Much as we like to make fun of Chris, it's fairly clear that he's not ACTUALLY, mentally retarded. He can tie his own shoelaces and warm his own microwave meals, so to speak.

>>49404712
It means that his dad is dead (pretty recently actually) and his mom is fat. No offense, but are you new on this whole Chris-chan thing? Check it out bruh, sadly most of his old videos have been purged but there's still more than enough material to go around. The hype around him has died out but he still remains the #1 LOLcow of the internet.

A lot of folk with autism take it too personally and let it ruin their lives and they their mental problems are far worse then they are.
This one dude learned his dad had the genes for Asperger's and his son was convinced he had it and drove himself crazy believing he was fucked for life and eventually shot his dad with a bow and arrow, and when the arrow didn't kill him he stabbed his dad to death.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/wyo-bow-and-arrow-attack-christopher-krumm-said-father-gave-him-aspergers-and-should-be-castrated-report-says/

>>49404756
I just can't imagine him holding down a job and living on his own,which is what I thought the bar was.

>>49404767
Bruh, I'm quite familiar with CWC. I rarely ever hear things about him these days, though.

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>>49404799
Not saying attacking your own father with a bow and arrow can be justified, but maybe there is something behind sterilizing those with undesirable traits like mental disorders. You know, so these disorders aren't passed on to the next generation. I say this as a sperglord myself.

>>49399020
You get Skill Focus in a single Craft, Perform, Knowledge, or Profession skill, and take a -2 to Cha. The rest is roleplay fluff

Overly Focused:

You can put effort towards concentrating on one thing to an extreme degree. You can make a special action to cast spells at a plus one attack bonus or DC; however, you lose all dexterity bonus to your AC when you do so.

>>49404929
The problem is that there is no definitive proof one way or the other that Aspergers is genetic or not. That essentially be the same as castrating someone because he's prone to counting toothpicks or arranging matches

>>49404929
Those traits will eventually be tailored out through gene tailoring.
So forced sterilization is a bit extreme.
In your lifetime you might be able to be unsperged.

-4 WIS
-4 CHA
-4 DEX

Pick three additional skills from any list.

Autistic people aren't smart. They're just overly focused on a handful of interests. If the only thing that got your synapses firing was trains, you'd be an expert on trains, too.

>>49404799
It happens even to people without autism at all. It's one of those disorders which is pretty newfangled in historical terms (as in, people didn't recognize it until before a few decades ago), has symptoms which sound to most uneducated fucks like they're practically subjective (meaning that, nowadays, since everyone thinks they know them thanks to the internet, any shmuck can self-diagnose and go around claiming that any doctor who contradicts him has an agenda), and because of its media associations actually makes a certain type of person feel GOOD, because they've always wanted to be smart and were never sociable, and autism means they're smart and have an excellent excuse for why they never succeeded socially!

Cue the internet filling with fat, unwashed fucks proudly declaring themselves autistic because blaming autism for everything bad that ever has or will happen to them is so much easier than engaging in introspection, or, god forbid, change.

But that's okay, they'll just tell you that "a fear of change is a symptom of autism" and that you're hurting their gentle, developmentally disordered souls by accusing them of it.

>>49399020
~Be yourself~

It worked for me.
Im crying as I laugh.

>>49404929
there are autists that have achieved some pretty great stuff tho. it might be a pain to have it or annoying to be around one but looking at the big picture we would lessen humanity if we played god like that.

>>49405059
I doubt the correlation between autism and great deeds tends to be overexaggerated to make autists look cool (pretty much in line with the 'geek chic' that plagues pop culture nowadays). I'm pretty sure that if we'd arrange all Great Men, regardless of what measuring stick we used for them, neurotypicals would outnumber autists by roughly the same margin neurotypicals outnumber autists in the overall population.

And then there are claims of autism that barely make sense like Einstein, who was actually very outgoing and charismatic (which may explain why he's so famous, when there are more deserving candidates for the "smartest guy who ever lived" title).

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>tfw reading Chris' criminal incidents from the past five years

>>49405170
Again, it's BECAUSE successful autistic people are relatively rare that these are the ones history remembers. What's it called in sociology? Cinderella syndrome? I think it's related.

Basically, if Susan Boyle had been a beautiful upper class woman from a prestigious music academy, probably nobody'd have noticed her like they did, you know what I mean? When the underdog wins, you add that to the history books because it's the exception to the rule.

>>49405170
i agree but what i was trying to say is that people can find inspiration or strength or whatever in their disabilitys or weaknesses. far from always but not never either.

>>49401168
Maybe you're such a high level that you can't tell when people react negatively to your public speaking?

>>49405170
Not to sound full of myself but lot's of people find me very charming, admittedly I've put a lot of effort to making my self this way. Lot's of theatre school and improv to really get those reaction times down.

I've turned by heroic missing of social cues into jokes and being the "quirky one". Mix with average looks and giving myself lot's to time by myself to recharge and suddenly I'm pretty popular.

Anecdotal yes, but I'm an autist that's convinced most of the people I know that I'm actually charismatic.

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>I did not learn until much later that the spritz had done a lot worse than I had imagined it would, as well as learning that they were the so-called "Manager" and "Ass Manager" of that particular store.
>I had No Idea of the contents of the Pepper Spray, OR that it was Illegal for use in certain situations in the state of Virginia at all.

>I HAD tried the stuff on myself days before in the upstairs bathroom. A Two Second Spray onto my left wrist, some of it got onto the bath tub wall as well. Like sampling a perfume or deodorant. It Took Me Out damn well. I had to open the windows, turn on the bathroom fan AND aim the box fan into the bathroom to air the place out, and I wiped the wall off as well, and OF COURSE I washed my hands. It took fifteen to thirty minutes to make it bearable in there again.

>>49401821
You would honestly know if you were autistic in a meaningful way.

It's kinda like OCD or multiple-personality disorder - you know when you've got it, even if you don't exactly know WHAT it is you've got.

>>49404929
Yeah, but this would set an extremely dangerous precedent for "removing undesirables" from society, and would can even be used to enforce social or political norms on a society by simply castrating all who "aren't mentally sound," (i.e. vote against the ruling party).

>>49406186
I have some of the symptoms, but I also have no problem reading people's emotional states based on social cues, and I generally recognize my social fuck-ups after the fact.

>>49404002

>Stuffing ADHD people into the same room as autists

You too would get angry if you were being compared and categorized with sub-humans.

>>49404929

Can't do that anymore since Hitler wasted western societies' reset button on attempting to wipe out a religious minority.

>>49406223
>Yeah, but this would set an extremely dangerous precedent for "removing undesirables" from society
That's a retarded slipperly slope, which could actually lead to the other extreme: we shouldn't seek to eliminate bone cancer because that would be eugenics.

>>49406314
Sad really, before Hitler ruined everything forever you could discuss the virtues of eugenics without being called a literal Nazi. And Hitler wasted in on trying to eliminate the group with the highest average IQ out of all races. But let's totally ignore that what Hitler was doing was closer to disgenics rather than eugenics.

>>49404929
>>49404973
If the autism gene were removed from the human race, we would all be standing around in caves socializing.

If the non-autism gene were removed from the human race, we would all be standing around in caves pontificating.

>>49399020
-5 penalty to Diplomacy and Sense Motive
Can be removed with investment of skill ranks. Each rank invested counts as half a skill rank until 5 points have been invested, at which point the penalty is removed.
Make Will saves at -2 penalty when encountering strong sensory effects. Make saves at a -5 penalty on sensory effects that affect normal characters.

>>49401168
Seconding this. Public Speaking was the first social skill I learned.

>>49399227
Very possible. Many autists are able to pass in society as they get older, to varying degrees of success. Certain corporate environments are absolutely saturated with them. Being autistic means that you have no social instinct, not that you can never learn. I have had to develop these skills to make headway in the business world, though I have certain advantages of upbringing. Part of it is that the higher you go, the more ritualized social interaction becomes. Leaders are often fulfilling a symbolic role just as often as they are interacting.

I am reminded of a case of twins relayed to me by a friend. Both twins were autistic, but one grew up into a wealthy professional with a loving wife and children, while the other lives with his parents.

>>49399020
just be your self

Since this is autism general now, does anyone else have this?

Mimicry was a big part of becoming fully integrated for me, being able to affect manners found in media was a big part of that. I always took on some mannerisms of my favourite character after seeing a big film for a few day to see if I could pull it off. As time goes on I think it may have been more involuntary than intentional.

I binged about 5 seasons of House M.D. a few months ago and I realised that watching a programme about a depressive who sabotaged his own relationships was turning me into a depressive who sabotaged his own relationships which was more than a little terrifying to realised how affected I could be by this.

Question being, has anyone else experienced this sort of thing or am I suffering a different neuroses altogether?

>>49404463
>Just do what I would do I guess.
I suppose its a quirk of autism that you might not realize doing what you would do is precisely what is not obvious to this neurotypical?

I've never had any real interaction with autists. Every time I meet one they aren't really interested in interacting with me and then go do their own thing. It is a condition I consistently do not understand very well- particularly in how it plays out in adults. All the google information is about children.

>>49405170
>"smartest guy who ever lived" title
Like Isaac Newton, who was pretty goddamned autistic

>>49406343
>what Hitler was doing was closer to disgenics rather than eugenics
In retrospect that seems weirdly obvious. It HAD to be disgenic because it was a populist movement. Meaning it had to appeal to a low common denominator.

>>49407701
I tend to let myself be affected by TV/movies like that too.

>>49407701

I think you just might be fucking stupid.

>>49406292
ADHD and autism are not mutually exclusive medical conditions.

>>49407966
We really are people that live for our hobbies or work. Every social ritual is just wasting our time till we can get back to what we're obsessed with. Sensation is feel more intensely, not physically but emotionally.

If you ever bother making an autistic character I wouldn't but I fucking hate us, keep their friend groups small, being isolated their whole life has probably given them a bit of a persecution complex, avoid load and busy places and get flustered over small decisions. Be inflexible right till the point you're categoricity disproved at which point do a full 180 and act as though you were not being unreasonable till five minutes ago. Change is horrid as you enjoy routine.

If you think these sound like horrid traits for an adventurer or a person, you're right.

>they aren't really interested in interacting with me and then go do their own thing.
They're not interested, they would rather drink molten lead than do small talk. Until they get to know you you're just more white noise in a loud fucking world.

>>49408292
They executed people for being disabled. It was intended to be eugenics. In general nazis are given more credit than they should in STEM stuff, even ignoring the gross ethical violations.

>>49401821
Go to a doctor and see if you match the criteria. It's not a life threatening condition or anything, so it's not particularly urgent. Just schedule an appointment or bring it up during the routine check up.

>>49408917
Although if you bring it up in the check up I wouldn't be surprised if you got another scheduled appointment with a doctor with more expertise on that type of stuff rather than your regular doctor diagnosing you on the spot.

>>49409083
desu I just don't see any benefit to seeing a doctor about it. There's no magic pill to fix it, and I don't think therapy will do me much good.

>>49409138
Flat out "fix", no. There are programs and drugs to mitigate problems associated with it. Plus I'm pretty sure there are programs that help autists find a jobs and stuff. Why did you ask for help if you think there is nothing that can be done about it? (I'm assuming you are >>49401821 )

>>49399020
>yfw your 4 players have autism and aspergers
i don't even know what to do anymore.

>>49409332
You've played with them before, what are you having trouble with in particular?

>>49407701
Are you Abed from Community? Do Don Draper.

>>49405247

High level means high functioning.

>>49407701
Hi, Abed.

>>49409696
Don't tell us his name!

>>49401168
Card carrying autismo here, Public speaking is one of my few boons. I figure its resultant from a lack of stage fright.

>>49402528
It's bad enough I have to admit I'm in the same species as him. Finding out he's also autistic would be miserable.

>>49407178
fraternal or identical?

>>49411667
Supposedly, they were identical, but my friend expressed doubts, since they ended up so different. As "kids" (this is a range that extends from age 1 to 40 for the elderly), the successful one steadily grew more and more outgoing while the other one stagnated. The more he practiced, the better he got, until he was able to be a normie reeeeeeee.

But back to the topic at hand. At this point, I truly enjoy socialization. Why not? I'm good at it, and I enjoy things which I am good at. Power, after all, is about who you know, not what you do. Each person I get to know gets me another contact and another insight into the workings of society. But I would make for a terrible adventurer. I am very sedentary. I despise unnecessary risk.

But do hear me out - I do think I would make for a lovely BBEG. Now, I realize that few people find me as interesting as I do, and I find myself to be rather boring to begin with. However, the pieces are there. Put yourself in their shoes, something I hear is an easy task for neurotypicals. I find that one of the greatest weaknesses of villains in fiction, and psychopaths in reality, is that they cannot control themselves enough. Like the scorpion, they are untrustworthy, often backstabbing you at the first opportunity. Why not? It's in their nature. But that's not how you do things. Why execute that loyal lieutenant? Everyone makes mistakes. Just let him go, perhaps with a severance payment if the mistake was light enough. We are all in this together, after all.

>>49412982
See, a villain is a man of vision. The world must be reshaped, reforged into a more perfect form. A study of society inevitably gives insights, ways to systemize, improve efficiency. If you are affable, slap backs, and generally make yourself a nice, useful guy, people will like you. They will offer their services to you. In exchange, you offer your vision. Your insights into that better world - and what needs to be done to get there. It won't be easy, of course. Nothing worth doing is. But these are not mere minions, but friends and confidants.

And they are placed at the highest echelons of society. This is the Old Boys Network. Naturally, they needn't all be all boys, old, or what have you. Talent of any kind is valuable. In fact, talent which believes itself to be oppressed and which is given a chance by you shall be even more loyal, seeing you as its only and truest benefactor. And you will be, both their patron and genuine friend. What is the point in betraying someone so useful? Even when their service is no longer required, shall they not receive a pleasant retirement?

You see yourself as the perfect ruler. Why not? Rule is your passion. You are incorruptible, unshakeable, tireless. You love thinking about society, all the little ways it takes, all the incentive structures, the bureaucracies, the games of power. When you see the people erecting statues of you, you smile. It improves their efficiency to venerate you. More will follow in your footsteps.

>>49412999
The thing is, you have no empathy. This, you think, is an asset, not a liability. After all, your every pen stroke is drenched in blood. It has to be. It takes kills hundreds each year to keep the lights on in a major city. To create the minds needed for your great machines, you diverted countless sums from healthcare to education. And to refine them, you restructured your education system to cream a select few to the top, at the cost of the masses. You have made war, at times. Judicious wars, calculated to minimize bloodshed for the resources gained, resources essential to your plans. Every decision, however bloody, is calculated and shrewd. Death warrants litter your desk, but they were all necessary. You are an enlightened tyrant, and the people prosper.

But your reign has made enemies. You are not sure why. Have you not been a wise ruler? Have you not brought wealth and justice to your people? But still, some protest. You cannot empathize with their demands, you have trouble even conceiving of their rationale. There is an elf ranger rising against you, defending the sacred groves of her people. You had most leveled - they were in the perfect spots for factories. That anyone would want to live isolated from the world confuses you, and that they would obstruct the steel-clad progress you represent is more than confusing, but intolerable. And you offered them mercy. A buyout. A resettlement. They refused. Inordinately foolish. And worse yet, illogical. You escalated force... to the maximum, of course. A partially destroyed foe is a threat. One escaped. A pity.

>>49413011
And then came more. A human noble. A fighter, a warrior, upset that you made his demesne into your new model decentralization project. Doesn't he realize that a good fighter is not necessarily a good ruler? You mail him a copy of a paper on the economic calculation problem, confident he'll see the virtues of spontaneous order in the context of a greater social organism. He doesn't reply. Perhaps he's more of a socialist chap, you think.

You understand that every social change has its winners and losers, but why must the losers be so dreadfully unpleasant about it? Don't they have any conception of the greater good? Selfishness. You have a perfect system, a perfect order. And here they are: living, breathing inefficiencies. They defile your system.

There is even a common criminal in their ranks! A thug and rake who never worked an honest day in his life. He is upset that you have destroyed his way of life. He accuses you of oppressing his people. Good, you sneer. If his people really are so uniformly criminal, and you don't believe they are, they ought to be destroyed. How dare the man accuse you of prejudice when you are the State, pure and incorruptible? It is the height of absurdity.

Some accuse you of enjoying power. Ridiculous. It is your passion, but how could you enjoy it? Day after day, you make sacrifices so that your people may prosper. How can they accuse you of enjoying it? You know more than anyone how much of a burden it is. At night, you dream of crowns.

Still, you are able to find some comfort. Your fine clothing and bedding is designed not to irritate your sensory issues. But only she understands you. She is *passionate*. Not like the others. They see only themselves. There is no fire guiding them.

>>49413021
Now the flip side. The autist hero. It works, though it would be a different kind of autist.

He comes out of nowhere. No one knows what he wants. But he is implacable. You try to buy him out, to no avail. He doesn't want money. He doesn't want power. Fame has no appeal. Neither do women. Or men. He constantly advances, leaving terror and misery in his wake.

She insists on finding him. You let her, with some hesitance. She returns to you. In pieces.

You redouble your efforts to crush him. He has destroyed too many of your assets. Caused too much suffering. You send your best men after him, to no avail. He has magics beyond all understanding. Your friends are destroyed. That mayor? Hanged as a tyrant and moneygrubber for a 2% tax raise. The arms dealer? Impaled on their own weapons, as an "ironic" gesture. You kidnap one of his friends, offer to release him in exchange for them stopping their senseless crusade. He is utterly indifferent.

By the time they find you, you are despondent. Society is disintegrating. You have only one question.

I do not enjoy interacting with other autists. Socialization normally has rules, but autists don't play by them. For someone who has to understand the social cues to deploy within a particular structure, it is disconcerting.

As they approach, you croak out: "Why?"

>>49413034
In truth, nothing you could have offered would have dissuaded him. He is not even necessarily angry at you in particular. All his life, he lived in his "Choo-Choo Friend" while obsessively plumbing the depths of magic. One day, one of your local magistrates removed the wreck as a public eyesore. No wealth would tempt he. He doesn't care. He doesn't care about power. He doesn't care about his "friends". In fact, he considers most of them white noise and annoyances. They just happen to be helpful on his quest. He barely even recognizes the concept of hygiene, pissing in bottles and smearing the walls with shit. He only cares about two things: trains and magic. And you fucked with his train.

Nothing you do works against him. His mastery of magic is perfect. His technique is beyond reproach. Then he beats your head in with a shovel. As he caves in your skull, he spasms, shitting and pissing himself simultaneously at the joy of having avenged his choo-choo friend.

You die.

And immediately, he turns about. He disintegrates two of his comrades, then begins casting a spell. It is his magnum opus.

In an instant, one hundred million die. And their sacrifice temporarily reverses the passage of time. He reaches forward, having perverted the course of the universe for this, tears streaming down his face.

"Choo Choo Friend."

I would rather not go into government. The chaps are all so well meaning, if at times inadvertently villainous and perhaps not as clever as others, but they are all so roundly despised. It is the nature of the position. An inefficient politician earns hatred, an efficient one death.

>autism
>barely control body, move like an alien parasite at the top of my spine is hijacking me (this has lessened with age)
>use improv comedy for social events
>popularity increasing
>"anon could you speak at my party"
>"anon this is your old high school could you address the graduating class"
>"LOOK AT MY TITS ANON"
>"hey anon have this money"
>"anon there's a job opening that I'm about to offer to the public but you can have it first"
>"anon that speech you gave convinced me not to kill myself"
CHARISMA IS NOT A DUMP STAT

>>49401717
Poor Theory of Mind is one of the four main flaws of autism. This means that the individual doesn't understand the social effect of his/her actions.

They're not good at reading body language or spotting liars. Hence also low Wisdom.

>>49404604
>Most autistic people have average intelligence, same as all other people.
No, they're ridiculously dumber on average if you include the entire spectrum. People with Aspergers are around average on IQ tests but they tend to do worse on other types of cognition tests.

>>49404799
If he didn't have autism, he was definitely at the very least retarded. Autism isn't a thing that is directly passed down from generation to generation.

>>49399020
Sheldon Cooper from TBBT except less of a dick and more nice. So Amy from TBBT pretty much.

There are so many little bits and pieces of behavior that those two express that it's easier to point to them as examples than to try and list everything. I myself am most likely on the spectrum and i've noticed a lot of familiar behavior patterns in that show which i had known from both myself, and other autistic people.

I'll try to list a few core elements not in order of importance.
>An absolute inability to deal with emotional distress.
one unifying thing i've noticed in all autistic people was this. Whenever they get into an emotionally distressing situation they mostly break down. This is not to be confused with simple stressful situations, where a lot can keep a level head. Reactions to emotional stress however are extremely childish, up to tantrums (these however usually constitute a different psychological abnormality)
>General childish behavior.
Apart from reacting immaturely to emotional distress slight tendencies towards childish behavior are observable in other situations as well. Including naiveté.
>Sensitivity towards criticism.
This does not mean that constructive criticism is impossible, that an autist can not take criticism at all, but it seems we take criticism way more seriously than others, no matter who it comes from.
>Social retardation.
This is often written as "lacking empathy" but i find that misleading, since this doesn't always take the form of "so that guy's suffering, so what" (although this too is certainly possible). It is however important, that autists fail to pick up on subtle social cues, like whether something is a joke, an insult, sarcasm, they're unwanted, etc. It does not always mean that they don't care about these either. Related to this is the next point:

>>49399020
>>49417701
>No smalltalk.
I have yet to meet an autist who liked or could engage in extensive smalltalk. This is most likely due to the next point.
>Somewhat more analytical thinking. While autists in general aren't more intelligent per se, every one i know has a slight tendency to at least attempt to approach things more rationally than the average person. They try to get to the point (even is they trail off) instead of talking about things they deem not relevant to the subject. Related to this is:
>Focus on one specific thing.
Whether this takes the form of a life long obsession with mechanical/logical stuff (trains, networks, etc) or just they have varied interests but can focus on a single thing so much you could fire a cannon beside them and they wouldn't notice, an extreme ability to focus attention is always there. This too contributes to high functioning autists being viewed as "more smart", since long and short term focus are necessary for academic success.

>>49399020
I just love that symbol. It demonstrates perfectly how organizations like Autism Speaks generally have their heads up their own arse.

>>49399020
>>49417701
>>49417710
Oh and i almost forgot:
>Adherence to own rules.
Whether this takes the form of a daily routine people find it impossible to diverge from, a favorite seat in the car, or just strong convictions about anything from how some food has to be made to moral convictions (like paladins), there is always some form of rigidity in an autists behavior. This can be both detrimental and beneficial.

>>49399020
Give him a massive permanent penalty to Insight/Sense Motive checks.

After that point you're basically done, assuming you mean autism mild enough to actually be a playable character.

>>49409651
Nah, I meant like a high power level. An extreme case of the 'tism.

>>49401168
I'd rather say that it's unlikely.
If being a leader consisted only of public speaking then yes, but a leader has to deal with other leaders and one on one social situations a lot of the time and just "do casual conversation".

>>49399227
>>49399248
>>49399266
I literally ran an ameteur dramatics group for a year and have Autism to the extent that my government pays for a bus pass so I don't have to worry about all the problems associated with buses. It's all about management and learning how to vent stress

>>49399020
>>49417701
>>49417710
>>49417744
While this seems rather odd, and is not really behavior:
>Inflammatory diseases
Autists are proven to be more prone to inflammatory diseases. Which condition causes which is hitherto unconfirmed, but there is a distinct correlation between three different statistics:
-people growing up in non rural areas (without having contact with dirt a lot)
-proneness to inflammatory diseases/bowel problems
-autism spectrum

I don't remember exactly how these were correlated, but i think each of these was linearly correlated with both others IIRC.

>>49417701
Autists only tend to be naive because they don't generally have any friends that would have talked with them about basic subjects not taught in school, like music or celebrities. It's not an inherently autistic thing to be naive about something.

>>49417837
Being naive isn't the same as not knowing music groups and celebrities.
It's a whole different approach to things and situations in general.

While this too might be attributed to lack of contact with the world in general, it's either way still a trait displayed by every autist i know. (at least i think so)

>>49405247
Autists can be good at socializing if that's a subject they obsess about from their teenage years to adulthood though. They have a higher potential to be a good speaker than normal people even since they don't make emotional arguments. In the end it all just depends on how much they give a fuck about communicating with normals.

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>>49417830
>correlation =/= causation
pic related. the reason scientists keep saying that

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>>49416157
>>49404604
>>49399034
>High-functioning autism (HFA) is at one end of the ASD spectrum. Signs and symptoms are less severe than with other forms of autism. In fact, a person with high-functioning autism usually has average or above-average intelligence.May 19, 2015

>>49417620
Yes it is.
>Autism has a strong genetic basis, although the genetics of autism is complex and it is unclear whether autism spectrum disorder (ASD) is explained more by multigene interactions or by rare mutations with major effects.

>>49417912
Yes but in this case the scientists actually think they're connected:
>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987707001739
>http://www.nature.com/cmi/journal/v8/n2/full/cmi201067a.html
>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987711000892

TLDR: autism might be an autoimmune disease.

>>49399020

D&D characters are typically intensely specialized, care little to nothing for the emotions or motivations of people outside their very small social circle (the party), are ignorant of and apathetic to cultural norms, and attempt to solve nearly all problems that frustrate them with violence. If you want an autistic character, role play your apathy towards NPC motivations as ignorance and call it a day. If a realistic portrayal concerns you, try to tone down the levels of extreme disregard for social norms and incredible willingness to solve problems with violence exhibited by most PCs, but if you don't mind being a bit of a caricature, just roll with it.

>>49406329

People volunteer to have their bone cancer cured. Recommending mandatory sterilizations is absolutely a dangerous precedent that can be abused by totalitarians. It's bad enough that mental health institutions are kind of necessarily a thing that can't be completely voluntary, a notion that Soviets totally did use to lock up political prisoners.

>>49417982
>>49406329
Not to sound like an ass but are you two out of your mind?
There's a distinct difference between curing something and damaging someone against their will permanently so they can't fulfill one of the most important and basic biological functions of any living organism.

>>49418080

Did you quote the wrong post or something? I was pretty specifically saying that mandatory sterilizations was a bad idea.

>>49418113
Yeah, but you made it seem like they are only a bad idea because totalitarian regimes could abuse the concept.
They are wrong per se.

>>49418128

I was responding to a post about slippery slopes and thus discussing the issue insofar as it applied to slippery slopes. Why would you assume my opinion on the subject in general from that alone?

>>49418183
Excuse me then.
It just seems odd that you attacked the idea based on
>Recommending mandatory sterilizations is absolutely a dangerous precedent that can be abused by totalitarians.
instead of tearing apart the idea at the core of the whole concept.
The whole slippery slope doesn't apply in the first place since the two concepts (curing something and damaging someone permanently without them agreeing) are in different categories.

>>49418128
What about universal mandatory sterilization as a means of enforcing a one-child policy?

>>49418128
>>49418183
>>49418221
>>49418229
Shut up, /pol/tards.

>>49417946
Do you even understand what you posted?

>it is unclear whether autism spectrum disorder (ASD) is explained more by multigene interactions or by rare mutations with major effects

It's caused by either certain combinations of genetic information between two people or some form of mutation. Neither of those things means that autism is passed down from one single person to the next.

>>49418519
>multigene interactions
>combinations of genetic information between two people
that's not what that means

As for the other thing, just continue reading the article
Early studies of twins estimated the heritability of autism to be more than 90%--meaning that 90% of the differences between autistic and non-autistic individuals was due to genetics.[2] This may be an overestimate: new twin data and models with structural genetic variation are needed.[3] When only one identical twin is autistic, the other often has learning or social disabilities.[4] For adult siblings, the risk of having one or more features of the broader autism phenotype might be as high as 30%,[5] much higher than the risk in controls.[6]

>>49418553
That's exactly what it means. You need to have multiple specific genes to brew the storm that is autism. It cannot be passed down from a single person, only more likely be created between unfortunate pairs of people.

>>49418593
>It cannot be passed down from a single person,
those multiple specific genes can be in the same person.

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Is 2hu a good example of autism?

+int, -cha

>>49418221
>It just seems odd that you attacked the idea based on
>>Recommending mandatory sterilizations is absolutely a dangerous precedent that can be abused by totalitarians.
>instead of tearing apart the idea at the core of the whole concept.

Because working from common ground shared with the other guy has a chance of actually convincing them of something, whereas just yelling at them about how you have different a priori assumptions about the subject accomplishes nothing.

>>49422105
>how you have different a priori assumptions about the subject accomplishes nothing.
But it's not about a priori assumptions.
It's about common basic human decency.

If we disagree on the fact that robbing someone of some of the most basic goals of life (survival, reproduction) is a bad thing to do, any further argument about this topic is irrelevant.

I mean autism is something that is prevalent in a significant part of mankind and is not even always bad in it's effects, as this thread alone proves.

>>49401105
Best answer in the thread

>>49417861
Wouldn't context matter?

For instance, say an autist were obsessed with starcraft. They may lack theory of mind, but I imagine they'd be able to comprehend the different strategies the enemy might use and not naively discount them. In that context, they'd expect feints and misdirection, and would not be more easily fooled. Right?

>>49418673
I would say, yes

>>49423220
That has less to do with naiveté than factual knowledge.
Autists i know are all pretty good with factual knowledge.

If they enter a new environment or new circumstances however, most people might be cautious about assuming things.
Naive people and autists as i know them however are not.

>>49399020

just be yourself OP

>>49423352
That's literally like the 15th time that's been repeated. Do you think you're clever?

>>49423338
So what is naivety then? Could you give me a concise definition? You started with it being connected to lacking a theory of mind, but then switched to it being a novel context problem.

In the most extreme cases of cultural variation, even a savvy neurotypical will make faulty cultural assumptions. Collectivism for instance is a very subtle cultural difference between western and eastern cultures, and its often difficult to even explain how the western assumption is wrong when operating in an eastern civilization.

>>49408165
Citation needed.

>>49423428
What i meant in my first post, and what i'm still saying is that being naive is more than just "not knowing enough trivia" about a subject, whether that be music, opponent tactics in starcraft or something else.". It's how you approach a topic, particularly a new one. A naive person would in general make les accurate and possible more positive and "out there" assumptions about a new situation than an experienced person.

>>49417867
The problem there is that emotional arguments are some of the most powerful pieces of rhetoric around.

>>49417946
>High-functioning autism (HFA) is at one end of the ASD spectrum. Signs and symptoms are less severe than with other forms of autism. In fact, a person with high-functioning autism usually has average or above-average intelligence.May 19, 2015
Three things:
a) 50% of the population have above average IQs by definition.
2) Depending on definition of 'average intelligence' this easily becomes bigger - a quick google tells me that ~75% of people have IQs above 90.
iii) That 75% is a percentage of the entire population. If people with learning difficulties are removed leaving only neurotypical people that number will increase - even moreso if (probably unfairly) people with sufficiently low IQs are classed as not being neurotypical that number would increase significantly.
I'm not saying that HFA people are stupid, just that you haven't provided any evidence that they're more intelligent than the general populace. Also, you gave no source for that quote, bro.

>>49424133
That quote was wikipedia i think but a quick googleing would've confirmed it either way.
Also, if the source says average or above, that means that they are not below average.
And 50% of the populace is below average per definition.
This means HFA are above average intelligence on average.

At least to me it means that.

>>49424178
Counter-intuitively, it is possible for most of a population to be above average. Or below.

Say there are 100 people who take a test. 99 of them get 50points on the test, and 1 person gets 500. The average score is 54.5, meaning 99 out of 100 people are below average.

Ordinarily statisticians exclude "outliers", but if you had 10 people getting 500 and 90 getting 50, you can no longer exclude the top tier as outliers.

>>49403964

That has to be their gimmick unless you want to play the retard strength angle.

Unless they are so awkward in conversation that it becomes charming beyond words in some fucked up way.

>>49424467
....
you're right of course, but on average outliers should cancel each other out, if the distribution is a bell curve.

>>49424178
Since there are variations between different IQ tests, and because the same person will generally get slightly different scores on the same test taken on different days, it would seem odd to me to take average as meaning exactly 100. According to Wikipedia by far the most common definition for 'average' according to IQ test writers is 90-109. Flicking through the tables it looks like the exceptions all make that range greater rather than reducing it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_classification

That quote appears to have originated on WebMD as far as I can tell, which doesn't give very precise sources, but I don't doubt it's true - I just think it's a somewhat meaningless assertion given what I've written and that the definition of 'high-functioning' by necessity excludes people with significantly reduced IQs.

>>49424467
A correctly calibrated IQ test by definition gives results that form a normal distribution with a mean & median of 100 for the population as a whole.

In your examples a straight-up mean is clearly a poor choice of average - if you want to use the full dataset either use the median, the mode, or include data on the range and inter-quartile range to indicate the unusual distribution. Alternatively use any of a number of ways of removing the outliers. In your examples, it seems likely that your results show two distinct groups of people taking the test - maybe the 50 point people are the general public while the 500 people are highly educated on the test's topic.

Like all tools, statistics are only useful to the degree to which they allow us to understand and interpret the world - pick the correct average.

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>>49425530
High functioning autists are different in the clinical symptoms from low functioning autists.
So if someone is actually able to adventure chances are that he will not be at or above average intelligence.

That was my point.

Also, while autistic people might have a lower situational intelligence and lower social intelligence, the stat that INT measures is generally connected to being analytical.

On a related note, pic related.

>>49425607
>>49425530
>that he WILL be at average or above average intelligence

>>49425607
>>49425629
Yeah that makes sense. Good taste in comics too

>>49425607
>pic related.
When A causes B and B causes A, isn't that what we call "proof by circle"?

>>49426670
What.

>>49426670
It's a joke jackass.