Why are Dwarves and Elves always at odds? I know that culturally

Legolas and Gimli.

Then the meme-train got going (yes, it was around before the internet).

Depends on setting.

Tolkien and the whole "betray the other race for a necklace" thing he had going on.

>>49398426
It's literally manlets vs lanklets

>>49398426
In Dragonlance they just kind of don't like each other because the Dwarves hate everyone and the Elves hate everyone.

>>49398426

wine vs beer
opera vs pub songs
cutting down trees
forest hippies vs industrial society

>>49398426
it's my fault.

I was in a cave with some short dudes, a guy who needed a shaving kit, a dwarf, and an elf on an epic quest to save the land. This big monster popped up and wanted to throw down so I did but then those little bitches ran away. So I said fuck it I'm taking you with me and bull rushed off the bridge while grappling with the monster. Anyways we fell for like three days and both died. Then some heavenly dude said that my journey was not yet done and sent me back into the world as a whiter version of myself. But it turned out that a massive army of elfs and dwarfs had already smashed the evil dudes big fortress of evil and destroyed the magic ring he was looking for and they didn't need me. SO I said fuck this shit and traveled back in time to when the dwarfs and elfs first met and drew porn of the dwarven king sodomizing the elven one all over the dwarf kings fortress. And then they went to war for like seven thousand years or something.

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>>49398426
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvJsG4F2Img

Alright, listen to me you knife eared piece of shit. If you go any further with your piss stained pubic hair you call a wig, I'm gonna wreck your shit so hard you won't even be able to walk with your limp dick! I'm gonna shove my foot so far up your shaven perfect little ass that your breath is gonna smell like shoe polish, then I'm gonna take that little red anal bead on your belt, and push it in your face! I'm gonna flagellate you with my fucking beard! I'm gonna build you a pair of runic mechanical balls, and use surgical precision to sew them to your groin where your manhood ought to be just so that I can kick them with my iron fucking feet, you twat!

>>49398426
>I know that culturally they are polar opposites, but what is the real source of animosity?


The real source, is, like with 90% of things that /tg/ says about fantasy, the fact that you never read a book besides Lotr or shitty Forgotten Realms novels.

>>49399016
>>49398952
>>49398426
>There are people this uneducated on /tg/ that think that Tolkien came up with EVERYTHING

The right answer is actually Nordic & Germanic mythology.

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>>49398426
dose gross elves like dem skub

>>49401021
Well then tell us about it.

>>49401125
Not that guy, but if I remember correctly, the dwarves were mutated subterranean elves. Sometimes they were called black elves, but sometimes those were different beings.

>>49401140
Yeah, but why do they hate each other?

>>49401021
Elves and dwarfs were the same kind of creature in Nordic and Germanic mythology, you fucktard.

And Legolas and Gimli were only MILDLY at odds until Lothlorien, in the middle of the first freaking book. After that they become best bros. They ride the same horses for fuck sake. After the War of the Ring, they take each other on trips so that Gimli can learn to appreciate the woodlands and Legolas can learn to appreciate caves. They're fucking gay for each other.

This is fucking stupid

>>49401144
Because the ones that were mutated were gross. I can't remember off the top of my head, so I'll see if I can't dig anything up.

>>49398426
>Why are Dwarves and Elves always at odds?
>what is the real source of animosity?
As a narrative device to make them interesting. An overused one at this point, I might add.

>>49401160
it's fine, you have just become jaded

>>49401121
You having a piss m8? You dare bring your anti-skub lies onto my favorite board?

Dwarves are latent homosexuals confused by how attractive Elven men are and sperg out as a result.

>>49401198
Sorry, I got 'dwarves' mixed up with fa/tg/uys again.

>>49401188
It was fine when Tolkein did it. The jaded feeling comes from seeing every two-bit imitator that comes along think it has to be an element of their setting by default.

>>49398426
Usually, both races have been along for a long time, and they are both quick to offend and slow to forget insults. So yeah, they just keep piling shit on the heap, and never forgive each other.

Because dwarves are all that Fa/tg/uies are (fat, bearded, badly dressed, semi-autistic, uncommunicative, "successful" in a medium that no one recognizes and appreciate, and full of impotent rage) while elves represent what they aren't (fit, social-abled, recognized by their contemporaries, non-specifically beautiful, succesful in non-STEM domains and appreciated for it, and in harmony wit their own sentiments).

Admitting those two ways of life could come together might imply that there is a certain rightness to non-dwarf/tg/ ways, which might involve the recognition of a need to change. Change might as well be a death of the self, and so to live, we have not choice but to HATE what is different to keep us defined as we are.

>>49401208
it has become a main staple of the genre
deal with it

>>49401567
>deal with it
Why?

>>49401587
because it's going to stay. just like the femme fatale employer will remain a part of film noir. you don't like it, you're in tough luck if you think it will fade.

there will be sufficient less clichéd fiction though, so don't worry too much.

Magic is cheating.

Muh craftsmanship.

>>49398426
I would wager that is come from Norse lore even before tolkien.
Dwarves were mostly an evil race and godkillers when they weren't occupied being Odin's slaves while elves where the oppisite though not that much better regarded.

>>49398426

The gym have always been divided into two groups, those who favour cardio and those who prefer gains.

It is a timeless battle across all spectrum's of man.

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>>49398426
>Why are Dwarves and Elves always at odds?

The Elders of Human have pitted the two races against each other for eons to weaken both and allow the human race to take over, of course.

that's why both dwarves and elves should unite with the goblins and orcs to drive humans to the wastelands and take their lands from them.

>>49398426
Because if they do not hate each other they will realize how much they care for the other and they are afraid of commitment.

>>49398426
The main source is in the Meta, Dwarves = Jews and Elves = Aryans

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>>49401149
>Elves and dwarfs were the same kind of creature in Nordic and Germanic mythology
Are you completely retarded?

>>49398426

Please refer to >>49398952, >>49399001 and >>49401149 while ignoring >>49401021.

It's mostly the fact that in Middle Earth, Dwarves and Elves had a loaded history which fueled interracial animosity. Warhammer Fantasy had an equally loaded history between the two races, turnt up to eleven because the Dwarfs are humongously petty manchildren and the (High-)elves are tremendously autistic robots.

>>49401140
Has it a bit messed up:
It starts with the bit that we don't even really know where Dwarves come from mythologically, but Nordic Dverga are often synomyously named with Svartalfar/Dökkalfar.

Anyway, Alfar are generally speaking another mythical people like the gods (Aesir, Vanir) and the giants (which are synonymously called Jotun and Thyrs). Much like those other people, they, too, separate into smaller groups, in this case the Ljosalfar (Light elves) and Dökkalfar/Svartalfar (Dark Elves/Black Elves). The only real difference we can ascertain is that Ljosalfar lived "in the light" and Svartalfar lived underground and each have a realm named after them (Ljosalfheim and Svartalfheim, respectively). I don't know any actual source saying "those two hated eachother and would make up insults referring to the other race because they hated eachother so much". However, Svartalfar/Dverga are described as petty and nasty people, so it's not hard to see for anybody to dislike them. It's also here where they're attributed with great skill at metalcrafting. They weren't above sorcery like modern dwarfs, however.

Fun trivia: It's assumed that "Dwarf" comes from old-aenglisc "Dwarftalfar" which translates to the Nordic "Svartalfar".

>>49404515
Well, I guess I only remembered one thing correctly.

>>49401155
Sorry, fell asleep reading Eddas. Didn't find anything.

>>49404515
You sure it doesn't come from "dweorg"?

>>49404515
>Fun trivia: It's assumed that "Dwarf" comes from old-aenglisc "Dwarftalfar" which translates to the Nordic "Svartalfar".

Uh, no.

Svartalfr literally means "swarthy (dark) elf". There were dark elves who lived deep underground in Svartalfheim, and light elves who lived in the sky in Ljosalfheim. The dark elves were the maggots in the body of Ymir the world-giant; the light elves were the angel-like servants of the goddess Frigga.

Dark elves and Svartalfheim were sometimes conflated with dvergr (dwarves) who lived in Niðavellir or Myrkheim; other writers distinguished them. It's confusing, because dark elves, dwarves, and trolls all seem to share the same origin story and the property of being petrified by sunlight (which eventually carried over into the Celtic version of trolls, trows or drows).

But the word dwarf (from MidE "dwerrow" from OE "dweorg") is cognate with ON dverg and German twerg, and all of them have an Indo-European root which doesn't seem to mean anything else apart from dwarf or goblin. A little creature or demon, basically, *is* the etymology of dwarf. Totally unrelated to "svart", which means "dark".

>>49398426
10,000 years ago, when the Dwarfs and Elves first met, the Elves, disgusted by this un-elfy thing covered in hair shaved the first group of dwarfs to meet them. That ignited the first conflict between Elf and Dwarf, the Beard Wars began and the rest is history.

>>49404157
It's sort of true, they where just spirits all of them, the short and gruff earth spirits that forged and the forest spirits that where just living there, and the mist dancers that sort of looked like homely humans.

Vaguely because of Nordic mythology, but primarily because of Tolkien.

In Nordic myth, Dwarves were basically just ugly monster men, so of course Elves wouldn't like them, basically being not-angels.

The incredibly specific elves/dwarves "our two races will never know peace" is pure tolkien.

>>49398426
>Why are Dwarves and Elves always at odds?
It says they are in the Monster Manual.

>>49398426

Elves remind Dwarves of the beauty and grace of mithril, the most elegant ore.

Dwarves remind elves of the remains of the first growth; the stout trunks of trees a thousand feet tall and a million years gone.

It's a Freud thing, do the math.

>>49401149
They had a nonsexual relationship. I realize that you desperately want to ship everything all of the time, but nobody is buying it.

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>>49401121

>>49398426
aule got impatient and created them before the others

>>49400727
Dammit Gandalf

>>49413184
>Pure Capefantasy shittery inspired by Tolkien but ultimately failed at copying him

ftfy lad

>>49408213
Ok thanks for clearing up famalamclamclam.

It's probably just because they're so different in their typical personalities.
It's like asking why liberals and conservatives don't get along.