Who will win the Inventor's Fair guys? http://magic.wi

The art on these is really are over the top.

>>49315313
>Who will win the Inventor's Fair guys?
No one who opens a pack trying to get the ghost rares.

Most of these are pretty ugly and share the same problem as Expedition shocks and fetches: they're generic, crowded, and gaudy. Hangarback Walker, Mana Vault and Painter's Servant are nice, but the other ones range from mediocre to hideous. Luckily I won't be wanting any of these to pimp out my Mayael EDH.

>>49315313
WHY KUMAR AND RAMESH, OF COURSE.

>>49315346
They look like painted minis.

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Man the card art does not do justice for this one

>>49315509
I feel that way about a lot of it. I think most of them would look much better with the regular artifact frame as well. The frame is too busy, distracts from the art, and makes the whole thing just seem too busy.

Overall, I think some of them look great. The swords and Moxs are good. Static orb is gorgeous. I think painters servant and solemn are a little too dark though.

This is stupid. We didn't complain about it enough last time because they were cards that needed reprinted, but it is really stupid. Having an ultra-mythic chance of getting a Mana Crypt in limited is fucking dumb. I'm just saying, no a non-zero amount of times, someone is going to sit down across from someone for a game of Kaladesh limited and their opponent is going to go land sol ring and that's fucking stupid.

Plus it's always worth mentioning it's morally wrong for Wizards to expose players to such cancer giving artwork.

>>49315346
>>49315509
>>49315575
yeah it makes everything way too copper/orange

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This might win but I heard Reyath used a lot of community feedback

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>1 in 2100 cards
>pull hyper ultra mythic that needs reprinting
>Sol Ring

>>49315509
I love this it is the most literal interpretation of what a cloudstone curio would like.

all new foiling process just for these.

>>49315313
You did it, you allowed them to give a new rarity to the game
Cause mythic cancer isn't enough

>>49315313

OMG WIZARDS IS THE BEST! EPIC RARITY CARDS!

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>>49315509
When will Pavani end her endless obsession with Elves?

This was blatant pandering to the Greenviel crowd

>>49315697
that'll still be 100 bucks due to EDH fiends.

>>49315697
It will have decent value from all the EDH decks that need pimping, since it's an absolute must include in every Commander deck ever created-

>>49315720

I'm cool with it as long as it's not the only way to obtain a card and doesn't fuck with the existing rarities of stuff.

The frame is kind of busy. It worked rather well on Mana Crypt, but not so much on others.

>>49315740

Maybe, but I doubt it will be anywhere near $100

>>49315748

And has been in literally every commander product ever printed. If I could think of a single card that didn't need an excuse to be reprinted ever, it would be sol ring.

>>49315775
wait till you see the foiling nigger

>>49315785
you don't understand, every french EDH player alive will want this, the demand will be huge compared to supply.

easily sit at 150 bucks.

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>>49315809
>French
>Sol ring

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Adi's obsession with his old Commander will be his undoing. He last wore this ago, and some nice boots would have been a better homage.

>>49315697
will the ratios still be higher for fatpacks?

That was absolutely the case with the last few sets

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Of course the Consulate would pander to there own Commanders with this submission.

View of the foiling:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TrickMTG/status/775443311557431297/video/1

>>49315866

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/masterpiece-series-2016-09-12

> The Masterpiece Series will exist at a rarity higher than mythic rare. For example, in Kaladesh, you will open a Kaladesh Inventions card roughly 1 out of every 144 boosters. (Technically, the Kaladesh booster pack says the ratio is 1:2,160 cards.) This is slightly more often than opening a premium mythic rare. These ratios may change for future sets.

>>49315866
>That day I pulled 2 expeditions in 1 fat pack
>They were both fetchlands
>I gave them away

>>49315926

That's actually really hot

>>49315581
These show up in one out of every 12 limited pods.

On the other hand they make Standard vastly cheaper to buy into and does it in a way that makes wotc money.

It saves players money in a sustainable manner and all it does in make one in 144 packs kinda broken in limited and piss off poor eternal players because it will only drop single prices by like a buck.

They are basically using rich players who bling out eternal formats to subsidize our standard decks.

>>49315965
Must be the reason the Eldrazi never really went over 10 bucks

>>49315965

*1/6, a limited pod opens 24 packs.

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Why are all these inventors submitting bait for Commanders ? Such blatant sell outs to the Consulates

>>49315809
>french EDH player
Sol Ring is double banned in French. You mean multi-player EDH.

>>49316078
Because this is the target demographic. Commander players.

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>>49316017
A painter's servant, a very edgy submission given how many pyromancers love these things.

>>49315785
>And has been in literally every commander product ever printed. If I could think of a single card that didn't need an excuse to be reprinted ever, it would be sol ring.
it's foil and a really unique art. It's not about having a sol ring, it's about having a bitching as fuck sol ring. Seriously, Commander is the format where people love foils the most.

>>49315452
>kumar! Help me load this bear
>RAMESH! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
>I need to l Ioad a bear into this machine every 180 seconds to power the city.

>>49315313
>Care about every other format other than standard
>Only standard will benefit
>Some formats will actually be negatively affected

I hate them.

I wouldn't mind pulling a masterpiece gearhulk or the like, though I suppose realizing you didn't pull something worth more than a bill must be very underwhelming

>>49316230
>negatively affected

How?

>>49316257
it would be rare, but some of these are busted in limited

>>49316257
They are legal in limited environments. That means some games are going to be busted from the git go. Limited is already really busted when it comes to pulls. Now its just gone.

>>49316299

So one format, while every other format benefits either from the influx of cards it brings into the picture from people buying tons of boxes, or from the cards Modern and Legacy care about that will increase in supply but not in demand.

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>Spends his life in seclusion making something from his wildest dreams
>When he comes out with his mastepiece, turns out folks have been mass producing yearly for the last half decade
Being Sangmi is suffering

>>49316299
>>49316317
and most of these aren't actually that broken in limited. I haven't seen any that feel more powerful, for limited, than some rares that were spoiled already.

>>49316318
Well as long as no one brings planeswalking to the inventor's faire he's good.

>>49316318
I NEED TEN

>>49316383
Original art is objectively better.

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>>49316318
>His
>Card literally refers to Sangmi as her

>>49316297
>>49316299
Depends on the Judge and the Tournament Organizer hosting the event actually. These are not necessarily authorized. There's a bit in the Comp. Rules about 'abnormal product'.

>>49316397
I love the art from the commander products for sure. Might want one at least for the Cube.

>>49315926
UNF

>>49316317
>influx of cards it brings

Except that the rarity of the cards does absolutely nothing. Its to the point its basically a separate product entirely. These things would need to be printed WAY more to ever impact the prices of these cards at all.

>>49316179
>"KUMAR!"
>"What is it this time, Ramesh?"
>"WHY IS OUR KITCHEN ALL PURPLE?"
>"You see, Ramesh ... I made this robot that paints things ..."
>"DID YOU FORGET THE OFF BUTTON AGAIN, KUMAR??"
>"I am so sorry, Ramesh..."

Sol Ring looks great, as does Mana Crypt, Chromie Mox, and Static Orb.

Cloudstone Curio, Sword of Light and Shadow, Lotus Petal, and Torrential Gearhulk look pretty good.

Crucible, Champion's Helm, Chromatic Lantern, Mind's Eye, and Solemn Simulacrum look outright bad.

Everything else is middling.

>>49315926
Wow. I actually dont like that at all. It looks tacky as fuck. I like much more subtle foil that blends into the art not dominates it and bends it over the bed.

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>Kapur makes this shit to herd his annoying as fuck Orinthopter and pest army

God I fucking hate that guy, doesn't everyone hate that guy? Him and his perverse affinity

>>49316318

Well she didn't skimp on the aesthetics, and that's what matters.

>>49316351
Chrome Mox, Hangarback Walker, Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Mox Opal, Scroll Rack, Sol Ring, Steel Overseer, and all of the Swords are busted in limited.

Static Orb, Solemn Simulacrum, and maybe Sculpting Steel are all very strong too.

>>49316404
Except they are not abnormal. It's normal for them to be in some KLD boosters. The tournament rules specifically allow them.

Holy FUUUUUUCK I just creamed myself. Is this the new expedition series?

>>49316555
Yes.

Every set from now on will have expeditions which are now called "masterpieces".

>>49316555
Yes, but I would be pissed over opening one of the gearhulk series though.

Also, is the entire set spoiled?

>>49316597
no, just the masterworks

>>49316597
Friday for the full set since the people who posted pics of cracking packs obviously don't have the stones to "go above Wizards".

>>49316597
Nowhere near. We should have everything after 16:00 GMT Friday.

>>49316185
>commander loves foils the most
You have clearly never played with dedicated legacy players

>>49316230
>anon got so blown out last thread he posted it again hoping someone would agree with him

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>>49315313
>Oi, Ramesh, look!
>oh for mothers love what did you build this time?
>you're always mad at me for accidentally breaking our stuff,right?!
>obviously, Kumar. It happens all the time
>well,no more! let me introduce yout Sculpting Steel- Steel that can be formed into an exact copy of something already existing!
So whenever I break something I simply use Sculpting Steel to-
>um,Kumar...
>what is it, Ramesh? let me guess, your jelous,right? RIGHT?!
>Kumar, if this thing produces EXACT copies of things, wouldn't the copy be also broken?
>Ramesh?
>what is it now?
>whatever you do, don't use the cleaning-machine
>Kumar have you broke-...Kumar where are you going?....KUMAAAAAAAARRR

>>49316597

I dunno, I'm sure the Gearhulks will find a place in EDH. A pimped out Gearhulk will probably be worth something to someone.

so will this lower the prices for any existing prints of cards at all?

>>49316701
By 1 to 5 %.

>>49316597
pretty sly of them to put the shitty gearhulks in there alongside cards people actually want so they can save other good cards for later set reprintings

>>49316701
possibly crucible of worlds or other EDH popular stuff, but no for the most part

People are saying it will make standard cheaper but we will see

>>49316682
>Just give it to Shanti, he'll know what to do

>>49316718
why would it make standard cheaper?

>>49316701
If anything, it will do nothing. This isn't like Yugioh where a single reprint will change the entire dynamic of a general card's worth. Plus these are more premium, with more rarity and fancier everything. It'll only be more expensive than the previous prints, chances are.

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>>49316484
Y'know what I hate? Wizards thinking they can do better than Chirs motherfucking Rahn.

That man is a treasure, and this new art does him a disservice. Same with all the shitty new swords.

>>49316701

Well, sorta, in the fact that if you pull one you'll be able to sell it for enough to buy a playset of the non-masterpiece version.

>>49316728
More packs purchased, more cards in the mix.

>>49316728
people buy more boxes to get the valuable masterpieces, meaning more cards on the market, lowering prices. Not 100% convinced personally but we'll see

>>49316728
So many people cracking packs in hopes of getting these that it will flood the market with Kaladesh rares and mythics.

>>49316701
Not by any noticable amount.
The increased supply will be negligible overall, with each Invention appearing once every 4,320 packs.

Demand might shift, with certain richer players purchasing the Inventions rather than the normal cards.

But due to both scarcity and demand by either players or collectors, I can't see if affecting the price of the normal cards in any meaningful way in the long run, price speculators aside.

>>49316728

Big stores/sellers will crack pick after pack to get one of these to sell, therefore flooding the market with everything else and lowering the price of singles.

That's the theory anyways.

>>49316728
Because people who want the masterpieces are gonna buy the hell out of the set, BFZ's cheap as hell, there are only a couple of mythics worth more than three dollars in the set.

>no Sword of Body and Mind or Sword of War and Peace
IN COMPLETE CYCLE TRIGGERED

>>49316810
wait for Aether Revolt

>>49316810
they'll be in the next set

>>49316639
Legacy players yeah, but commander players just as much. They're both formats where you can play the same deck for years without having to change 5% of the deck and still have it be just as competitive, the fact that they both love the fuck out of foils makes sense.

>>49316735
Y-yeah, it's not like I want a playset of Overseers and Opals and hope that they reprint all of the Affinity staples in Masterpieces or anything.

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>Ramesh, Ramesh! I know you didn't like my previous idea, but you love this!
>...
>Ramesh?

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>>49316854
I just resent the new art. The old art was much better.

>>49315845
That card was surprisingly pricey.

>>49316568
Every set or just the fall set?

>>49316936
Every Standard set. Not sure about supplemental sets but chances are low.

I am hype. I don't care how dumb it is. I don't care that I opened four boxes of BFZ block and drafted it a bunch and still opened no expeditions.

I am a slave to stupid cardboard.

At the very least, at the very least, there are some garbage cards as Masterpieces, so I'll be able to snag one I want for cheap.

>>49316728
Every set's total box value will always settle around msrp because of the laws of supply and demand. Vendors will buy boxes crack packs and sell singles until the market is so flood it stops being profitable.

This means every mtg set has a limited amount of total value that all the cards in a set have to share.

Usually this is focused on tournament tier mythics, but with these uber rares all the value will be concentrated in them, leaving us with cheaper cards to use for standard.

To see this is practice see BFZ.

Over 25% of that sets value was in Expeditions , basically discounting standard by a quarter.(Although the rarer a card, the lesser it's price tank)

To think of it "real world terms" imagine you are cracking packs, you keep doing that until the prices drop. With Mythics as the top end this happens sometime before they get really affordable for the public.

But with Masterpieces, you keep going until THOSE loose value, by the time that happens, everything else will be burnt out in power because of how much more standard cards there are than Masterpieces.

>>49316953
Man, every set? That's pretty fun. I guess I shouldn't slurge on these then, since I will have ample opportunities to get one.

>>49316965
This is the problem.formme, and maybe it is selfish, but I think what turns mr off other than the blatant cynicism is that it's not like ill ever get to experience the coolness of them or the excitement of pulling one or even just owning one ever myself. It's kind of like dangling a shiny I can never reasonably have. I mean I could get them but its pointless since they'd just be more expensive than normal print versions. As I said, I suppose it is selfish as even if I don't other people will and judt because I cant experience it doesnt mean other people shouldn't but eh.

>>49315313
there's a part of me that wants to believe the introduction of these ridiculously rare reprints is the first step towards the end of mythic rares.

But we all know that's just daydreaming, huh.

>>49317027
That's retarded for several reasons. Economically,flavorfully and practically .

In any case this is going to make Mythixs cheaper angway

I dont like Minds Eye and swords, rest range from acceptable to good. I will try to buy one at least.

>>49317027
>the introduction of these ridiculously rare reprints is the first step towards the end of mythic rares.

How does that work when this goes in the other direction?

>>49316980
In theory that works but in practice the prices of non-Masterpieces are also set by vendors and have no reason to lower regardless of the vendors' supply.

>>49316953
honestly, that's pretty good news- the collecters get shiny cardboard to splurge on, and the average player gets cheaper prices on singles as a result of more packs being opened

seems like a win-win to me

>>49317061
This is why theory has rung strange to me so far. Why would vendors price standard cards cheaper if they dont have to? People are suggesting BFZ/OGW are evidence of this working but I think I need to see it in practice a few more times. I still remember Ulamog and Gideon being relative expensive and Gideon is played in multiples.

>just fuck my limited up senpai

>>49315809
>>49315748

This version will be less appealing than Alpha/Beta or Judge promo by a decent margin, I would expect it to be around $40-50 at the most. I would honestly rather use the FTV in mine, at least the art and border don't look like ass.

>>49316735
They're not out doing him. They'll have the Kaladesh flavor and style to fit in the aesthetic rather than force it in like a Phyrexian in an uncorrupted plane.

>>49317095
>I would expect it to be around $40-50 at the most

More like 100 to 150 dollarios.

>>49315509
Honestly I prefer the original art of most of the masterpieces. Look at the Modern Masters sword cycle art for example, way better. same with aether vial and crucible of worlds. But I have to admit, Sol Ring for example looks pretty sweet. chrome mox too.

>>49317095
crucible of worlds is already 60 bucks.

>>49317169
sword of feast and famine looks dope tbqh

>>49317169
I like ll of it because they went the extra mile and commissioned all new art for every reprint instead of lazily slapping it onto the foil sheet. They even found a flavor reason - exhibits at the Inventor's Fair - and made them fit into the world. Some even have flavor text.

Gotta give it to Wizards this time. If this is what we're in for in the future, I already love super secret rare reprints.

>>49317212
Yeah, from a flavor perspective it's nice, and it gives me an actual reason to go to the prerelease this time. Imagine opening mana vault or any of the swords.

>>49317012
People had the same reaction to FTV20, I remember. I mean, it is human.

I just think it'll be cool and the stuff I want isn't actually "good" as in playable in eternal formats. My friend pulled three expeditions despite opening way less of those sets. It can happen, man.

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>Lotus Petal
>not black nor an actual flower
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG
THIS IS ALL WRONG
Don't try to fucking pass it off as a petal of Gilded Lotus
This is INCORRECT Lotus Petal is a petal of BLACK LOTUS ONLY

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>>49317235
>Get a Masterworks
>It's Lightning Greaves

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>>49317270

>>49317061
>>49317092

The online card market is pretty close to perfect competition (a very rare exception as markets go), even the popular vendors can't price gouge too much without getting undercut.

>>49316510
No, they don't. And they are absolutely abnormal. With Wizards shitty new foiling process, I almost guarantee these are going to succumb to the buckling that foils have been having to deal with for the last year or two.

As is, as soon as I see one of these I'm going to inspect it, and if it's even slightly bent I'm going to dissallow it.

Also, it ABSOLUTELY qualifies as Abnormal product, because it's completely different then every other card in the set. Just because it's INCLUDED in the set means nothing.

>>49317273
>still crush the prerelease

>>49317273
I'd be salty for the rest of the day probably. but then again it's still a masterpiece, and even the worst zendikar expeditions are like $30 - 40 and there will be people who would want greaves for their commander deck.

>>49317324
https://mobile.twitter.com/TrickMTG/status/775443311557431297

They look cool to me.

>post yfw one of the masterpieces in Aether is a blightsteel with some flavor of being an artifact that was dug up in the provinces.

What's with the sudden fetish for the colour orange?

>>49316398
DONT MISGENDER ME REEEEEEEE!

>>49317324
>Masterpiece cards can be played in any Limited format they're opened in and in any Constructed format in which the card is already legal.
Just because you're a booty blasted faggot because you didn't pull an expedition and think it won't happen again doesn't give you the right to negatively impact someone else's limited experience just because "I-I-It's not REALLY in the set!"

>>49316894
Okay, I admit it, THIS one got me. Good job, anon.

>>49317350
I admit, I'm a little surprised to see that it's flat.

Every foil I've seen pulled out of a pack in the last 5 months or so has slowly succumbed to that buckling.

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>>49317366
It's the color of polished brass, the primary metal in all steampunk-related works. As Kaladesh is magitek-punk, every fucking thing is made of polished brass.

>>49317366
Copper is a pretty metal and orange is a color that isn't especially associated with any one of the five colors so it fits as a change of pace on colorless cards. Also it's the color of Mythic Rare symbols and these particular cards are double super Mythics.

>>49317390
A lot of that is just different materials on each side reacting a bit different to air humidity.

My expeditions are flat as well.

>>49317384
Judges have a lot of power, anon.

And being as he said he'd 'dis-allow' it, I think he's implying he's at least an L1, which means it's totally within his purview to tell a player 'fuck you card's bent'

My concern is they're gonna run out of Masterpiece themes. They've already blown through Lands and Artifacts, and those make up a huge portion of value cards.

>>49317404
>>49317397
Oh, I see, makes sense now, I found it to be a bit.. irritating.

>>49317092
By that notion wouldn't it be lucrative to price them lower than competitors in order to get their copies off the shelves faster?

Price is based on supply and demand, and if there's a lot of both then prices will be fine (i.e. Gideon and Ulamog) but if there's a lot of supply and little demand then shit will likely tank hard once prices stabilize. This is why you'll find lucrative mythics such as new Chandra to be in the 20s or 40s while less-lucrative mythics potentially get to under the cost of a pack. This would have happened even without the Masterpieces, but them being there will have a pretty obvious effect on the things that have less demand. Though that's pretty good for me, considering I was going to build a meme deck with Gonti anyways.

>>49317421
Amonkhet will have forbidden spells.

>>49317413
Judge for MTG, more like mod on /sp/, power hungry faggots who do it for free

>>49317421
You're confusing "themes" with "card types". Imagine this on Innistrad. They'd just do spooky cards. Or this on Tarkir. Shiny dragons everywhere.

>>49317413
That could at least warrant a player going to the regional judge and complaining about you power tripping.

>>49317413
Telling someone they can't use the sick masterpiece they just opened up in limited seems like a great way to no longer be a judge.

I don't look forward to making it to top 8 only to my anus destroyed by the person sitting opposite me having any of these. Alternatively, I can't wait to fuck someone's asshole raw with one of these reprints.

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>>49317437
Will those spells involve forbidden love?

>>49317482
Why haven't we got an Act of Treason variant where that's the theme? Unless we have and I missed it.

>>49317309
I see no reason why the major vendors would undercut each other when that only hurts them.

Competition on ebay and tcgplayer doesn't effect them because they have dedicated consumers.

>>49317324
fuck off Virt

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>Aether
>not Æther

>>49317519
Undercutting your competitor usually means you snatch up a lot of their business because their customers can get it cheaper from you. Is there some reason this wouldn't be the case here?

>>49317530
Blame Maro for killing the ligature like an ænalblasted bitch

>>49317530
I don't know why this bothers me, but it does.

>>49317555
Consumers put an artificial value on popularity and safety and even though cards are universally cheaper through ebay and tcgplayer large vendors like SCG remain large vendors.

and out of the sudden my Daretti deck feels incomplete

>>49317658
But they haven't shown off Tanglewire, Smokestack or Winter Orb.

>>49315313

Go away wizards shill

>>49317680
They did show mana rocks and static orb though. Plus a few random goodies like S
sad robot.

>>49316810
>wanting the worst 2 of sword cycle
WHY?

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>>49316227
I thought it was the other way around? Ramesh was straight laced guy and Kumar was the goofball.

Anyways heres something quick from the previous thread.

I pictured Kumar as looking a little wider set like Coop from Megas.

>>49317737
But muh accessible standard...

>>49317758
FINALLY A DRAWFAG

DRAW SOME OF THE INVENTIONS AND THEIR DIALOGUE

They don't need to be the cards actually in the set.

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>>49317564
There was a typesetting change, better blame the card designer.

>>49317309
No, it isn't. Prices are fixed and don't fluctuate with demand except in the case of a banning. Warren Instigator is still 15 dollars and all three LGSes I've patronized always were flushed with them. Casuals only make up so much of a demand.

>>49317270
Eh. Why actually?

There are been many loti (?) over the years, and petal from any one can probably do the same thing.

I am very happy I have a good paying job right now

>>49317782
To be fair that'd be a stupid jab if Maro didn't actually say he had a large part in getting rid of it. It's not a big enough deal to get actually upset over anyway.

>>49317819

Unless you really think that dividing the fanbase over people who will bother to summon the ligature and people who will just go fuck it. ae.

>>49317456
That's a possibility, unless the regionals judge upholds the call.

If I can distinguish the card, in sleeves, from other cards in your deck, it's gone. I was judging a Legacy event not long ago and a dude was somehow, majestically drawing at least 1 Kird ape every starting hand. It got suspicious, I asked him for his deck. The cards were so beat down and distinguishable that I shuffled his deck 5 times, and every single time I cut it I could cut it to a Kird ape. I made him remove them.

>>49317466
It takes a LOT more than somebody complaining about "THIS JUDGE WAS AN ASSHOLE AND WOULDNT LET ME DRAFT MY SWEET FOIL MASTERPIECE" to get a judge's certs revoked.

I've definitely made some wrong calls, and got chewed out for it and told when to pass it up the chain. But most complaints come from pissy-ass neckbeards who google obscure rules interactions and then appeal the higher event judge and get smacked down.

>>49317758
Yeah I got confused.
>Kumar, have you seen the gearhulks at the inventor's fair?
>I wasn't impressed, so I made my own.
>Kumar, don't be ridiculous, how could you make your own?
>They're like the first ones, but they look better.

>>49317784
So they're intentionally sitting on dead product, that has no chance of gaining value.
That's a stupid business decision and I can't see a bunch of independent businesses doing this all together.

>>49317756

It's funny cuz in limited they are the two best swords, so maybe they left them out on purpose

>>49317915
My sides

>>49317805
The entire point of Lotus Petal is that it's the exact same thing as Black Lotus, just at 1/3rd the potency.

>>49317092
Supply and demand, law of economics.

Even if demand isn't lower if the supply is exponentially larger the price goes down

Think the reverse of buyouts

>>49315313
>picture has nothing to do with the name of the card
when will this Cancer die?

also..

>Who will win the Inventor's Fair guys
nobody cares

>>49317983
The actual answer is Chandra.

The Jace-tice league too special.

>>49317429
Exactly,basically everything other than the top 5 cards in the meta will be bulk or close to it.

>>49317973

That's just how it worked from a gameplay standpoint

>implying black loti have exactly 3 petals

>>49317997
>inb4 it's Ramesh and Kumar
So far they are the best thing to come out of the set tbqh, other than enemy fastlands

>>49317983

How can you argue that it has nothing to do with the card? It's a crucible that contains the stuff planes are made out of

>>49315313
>"KUMAAAAAR!"
>"What is it this time, Ramesh?"
>"Why is there a blinding light coming from the fridge?"
>"Do you remember that one time I tried to make that aether soft drink?"
>"...yes?"
>"Well ... I KINDA succeeded. Also, there is now a tear in the fabric of reality in our fridge."
>"Kumar..."
>"No, it's totally cool! At least we now know the light is always on in the fridge even when the door is closed!"

>>49317983
Well, they've certainly depicted a crucible. So they've got that much relation already. How convincing Aether-as-raw-existence is for the "of Worlds" part is subjective, I guess.

>>49317413
if he told someone they couldnt use that in the pre-release he would soon not be a judge at all, Wizards HATES when people fuck with their pre-release "fun"shit.

>>49317805
>>49318006
It's"lotuses." The pluralization using "-i" is only for a few specific words that are usually Greek.

>>49317870
Wizards would utterly decimate you for fucking with the pre-release in any way or form as that is how they get new players.

they would fire you into the Sun.

>>49317983
tell me how two planets smashing together is a crucible

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>>49318073
>decimate

>>49317758
>still no askkumarandramesh.tumblr.com

>>49317964
>Kumar, what is that?
>It's a top, Ramesh, helps you think!
>What do you call it?
>I call it, Kumar's Divining Top.
>That is a horrible name, Kumar!
>You're right, Ramesh, I suppose I'll scrap it then.

>>49318086
taking 10% off a person will likely still kill them

>>49318028
>>49318048
>>49318077
accodring to the dictionary, a crucible can also be: "A situation of severe trial, or in which different elements interact, leading to the creation of something new" which was what the original art was about.

>>49318127
Sounds like both artistic interpretations of the name are valid, then.

>>49318127
Ok, that doesn't make the new art not fit for a card called a crucible.

>>49318036
>KUMAR! My sister told me you stole her gold rings!
>I needed them for experiment. no no no, don't touch them, they're very hot.
>Kumar, why did you join them together?
>Ramesh, remember when we went to Dvenka's the other week and she had those rings about her fireplace
>Yes, Kumar, you can't just steal my sister's rings to make ornaments.
>No, I was thinking what if I could make those, but actually useful.

>>49318137
except just one gets the 'of worlds' part to make sense.

At least the other cards makes more sense, but i still don't see the point in making them like that.

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>>49315313
Tezzeret will pick the best inventions and deliver them to Bolas.

Rashmi's planar portal will be the most exciting to Bolas and he will use it to bring horrible shit from plane to plane.

>>49318145
>only half of the card makes sense
>not even the original context
>fits

>>49318109
True.

>>49318050
>>49318073
I have literally NEVER had a problem the entire time I've been a judge. Generally because I'm -right-.

Also, you've entirely missed a very fun point of this mark. I said if it's FUCKY LOOKING, and obviously deformed, I'd call it out for removal. Entirely within my rights.

Or did you WANT to play a few rounds with some schmucklefuck shuffle-cutting to a Sol-ring by T2 and then advantaging you off the table?

>>49318092
>Kumar, Visionary Artificer
>1UR Legendary Creature - Vedalken Wizard with Flying
>Artifact spells cost (2) less to cast. (This effect can reduce the amount of mana a spell costs to cast to less than one mana.)
>When Kumar, Visionary Artificer enters the battlefield, any opponent may search their library for a card named Ramesh, Voice of Reason and put it in their hand, then shuffle their library.


Ramesh, Voice of Reason
>3UW Legendary Creature - Vedalken Wizard with Reach
>Whenever an opponent casts their first artifact spell for the turn, counter that spell.

>>49318186
Shouldn't Tezzeret have oil on him?

>>49318170
>"Kumar, why is there a 30 feet robot in our backyard constantly spilling out some black oil?"
>"The entire answer to that question might unsettle you. Let's just say ... that ... uh... just don't touch it, okay?"

>>49318186
>You know what we should do? We should pick that stranger with the menacing smile and freaky metal arm to be our head judge

>>49318201
If it's in the set it makes no sense to outright ban the card. If someone puts new chandra are you going to do the same?

>>49318215
No, because Planeswalkers cannot be infected in nu-lore.

>>49317916
You do realize hobby stores have the smallest profit margin of any business? They're incredibly inefficient. Most stores make their money through Standard and sealed product. It's also why 50% store credit for a single is considered an above average exchange rate.

>>49318215
Bolas gave him a sponge bath

>>49318226
Explain Karn

>>49318226
Not infected but they can carry the oil from plane to plane. Karn did that with the oil to Mirrodin.
Source: The prologue of the first Mirrodin book.

>>49317270
All Ghirapur only takes one mana of power? Interesting

>>49318201
I am telling you

if you ever fuck with a pre-release in any way, and they report you, you ARE done, this isn't a threat, or pointing you out.

I am telling you this is something wizards thinks is very serious, for the pre-release to be fun, so if you were to do this, you would never, ever judge again.

>>49318239
Karn had oil in Xantcha's heart, he himself was not infected.

>>49318226
this was always the case, nothing "nu" about it.

though I guess Glissa was an opps, we forgot she was a walker, incident.

>>49318262
I am another judge and you are full of bullshit.

t. judge who was been doing prereleases for years now

>>49317983
He literally has turned aether into the raw matter of reality itself, he can basically make land from blue goo

>>49318204
>Vedalken
>When art already shows they are both human

>Kumar, have you seen Sangmi's wondrous invention?
>eh.
>Krumar, what could you possibly find wrong with such a device.
>Ramesh, don't get me wrong, it's nice, but I wouldn't call it wondrous or mythical. It's uncommon at best.
>Kumar, she spent her whole life perfecting it, how could you dismiss such a thing!
>I have a basement of them Ramesh, how do you think I power the house since you don't let me shove bears into my machine anymore.

>>49318225
why do you keep responding to him?

>>49318191
The original context made less sense. How does an incursion translate into playing land from the grave?

>>49318277
Glissa burned her spark to bring out the green sun

>>49318277
She had lost her spark by the time she was compleated.

>>49318309
I.. I don't think so?

I can't remember, but I seem to remember her spark got bounced between her and slobad and back again.

>>49318277
Glissa had her spark taken by Memnarch who had it accidentally taken by Slobad who dissipated it to do some dragon ball shit. Glissa wasn't a walker anymore.

>>49318171
One is about using aether to make land

the other is planets smashing into each other

which fits playing extra land better?

>>49318278
Thank you, man. It's like they're not listening.

If the card is fucky looking, you'd call em and pull it, yes?

Worst case scenario, someone bitches to the event head judge. He looks at the card and gives it a yay or nay.

I think >>49318262 Really overestimates how much the judge hierarchy gives a shit about a player having fun. We're there to do a job.

>>49318309
>>49318324
>use up your spark in a stupid way to save your people

>they still hate you for nothing.

>it never mattered anyways because you get compleated and phyrexia rapes your plane and become apart of all 'that'.

jeeeez what was the point in making so much lore around such a pretty unique and interesting character to shit it all away.

>>49318341
I'd probably just sharpie an island myself and give them that for the tournament.
Although the masterpieces look pretty flat from the video.

What are the chances of Kaladesh getting oil'd considering Innistrad just got tentacle raped?

>>49318300
>Using Canon Inventors
>top hnng

Do one about that asshole robot sheep fucker who plays affinity (seriously I love the flavor of the guy who made Shepard being a literal robot animal herder given affinity is full of robot bugs and birds)

>>49318380
nearly zero, the planar portal is a plot point that will carry over to the next set.

it currently can't transport organic matter, which is somewhat of an issue, somewhat.

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this is amazing!
I need this card!

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>>49317776
Working on some now. Just need to get a feel for their designs. Pic related is some roughs for >>49318092


Also are they human or vedalken? or is one human the other vedalken?

Definitely saw them both as humans initially, but I could see Ramesh being a calm and collected vedalken perhaps.

>>49318380
Slim to nil. The current issue seems to be a rebellion. Tezzeret is here as well so maybe Bolas shenanigans.

>>49318327
Ah, I was wrong. Slobad got it and then gave it to Karn who then used it for something.

>>49318380

This block? Basically zero. The Return? Pretty good chance.

>>49318201
Just issue them an official proxy if it's damaged right out of the pack.

>>49318227
Sure. So it makes even less sense for them to sit on dead product that won't make them more money if they sit on it.

I suppose I can understand people buying into the sunk cost falicy over and over.
But if they're not moving at $15, and would at $12, then you should drop them to 12 even if that's less than what you paid. Because any revenue is better than no revenue off a sunk cost.

>>49318417
Make them humans and also look slighty more Indian / darker skin color. That way it's funnier.

A webcomic would probably work. It would be /tg/'s first Magic meme. Magic could need more creative fan content.

>>49318417
That was my reasoning when I made up their stat block. They are very Kaladeshian from all the lines people wrote so I figured vedalken are more appropriate. It also makes Kumar more unusual - to be an out of whack vedalken.

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Now that I look at it, the EMA top artwork looks like it belonged to this cycle.

>>49318262
You initially spoke as if you would ban them just because they were masterpieces, not that you would pull them if bends made them marked

>>49318492
Although the other artworks look cooler. Maybe it was a rejected piece.

Or maybe they redid it for Aether Revolt.

>>49318306
at least the original context had Something to do with lands (worlds)

>>49318333
>One is about using aether to make land
[citation needed]

>>49316854
I have the tiny issue that every card in my Affinity deck (outside of the Mountain) are their original printings. I couldn't use these as pimp without compromising that.

>>49318413
and why would you want it? it's shit that doesn't work in any format.

>>49318595
Alpha Mountains are cheap dude.

>>49318602
It's a Vintage and Legacy MUD staple.

>>49318514
you have qouted the wrong man, my friend, I was telling that same guy that if he pulled masterpeices out of peoples sets in pre release he'd get fucked by wizards.

and he would.

>>49316404

he thinks he knows the rules and was corrected.

some judge.

14

>>49317273
I've been replaying Soul Reaver recently and this shit got me. I can practically hear him say it now.

>>49318620
yeah, so basically: shit that doesn't work in any format.

>>49318220
Who says he's a stranger? What if Tezzeret has come here often? What if he's not even here for Bolas, this is just how he spends his time off? What if Tezzeret is taking a vacation and Chandra destroys Kaladesh out from under him without any real reason to?

Fucking kikes.

>>49318746
>Tezzeret is only persecuting the rebels because he doesn't want his vacation home to get burnt down

>>49318367
>Although the masterpieces look pretty flat from the video.

Every Expedition I've seen, handled, or owned has been flat. Whatever foiling process they're using for them is superior to what they were using for the FtVs.

>>49318602
It's real pretty looking

>>49318693
Modern and Standard aren't real formats either.

>>49318746
Chandra doesn't even know Tezzeret so it's not personal to begin with.

>>49318608
I'm fine with the Mountain, that's not really the point.

>>49318774
yeah, but hey.. shit encased in gold is still shit.

>>49318784
Liliana does and now Tezzeret accosted her mom. That'd be about all she'd need for it to get personal.

>>49318809
What if Chandra only gets mad at Tezzeret because him and her mom are engaged in some sort of kinky rebel/government official roleplay?

>>49318801
and still gold

Are these things going to be as rare/more rare than expiditions? Are they going to be standard legal? Should I be freaking out?

>>49318784
>Chandra doesn't even know Tezzeret so it's not personal to begin with.
What did that ever stop her

>>49318587
read the flavor text

the blue goo literally makes worlds (lands)

>>49318851
They're expeditions. Expect this in any new set.

>>49318851
>Are these things going to be as rare/more rare than expiditions?
Even rarer.

>Are they going to be standard legal?
In a way. Only the new prints will be legal in Standard.

>>49318882
i have read it, and it doesn't imply it create lands.

>>49318923
so the best artifacts that are rarer than expiditions will be played in standard? Won't that just make standard cost a fortune?

>>49318945
no, the artifacts that are in the standard set (Gearhulks) are the only standard legal ones

>>49318945
Who said Standard was getting cheaper FOR YOU? It's Wizards who will get to cut costs.

>>49318945
The only masterwork cards that are standard legal are the ones available in standard at a lower rarity. The gearhulks are masterworks and mythics, for example. The rest are all illegal in standard but legal in limited.

>>49318931
>Creates the very stuff of the cosmos.
Ie the stuff worlds are made off.
The implication is pretty simple and obvious.

>>49318423
It wasn't Venser who gave its spark for Karn?

>>49318440
I agree with you, but many hobby stores are run more like a clubhouse than a business. It's why they have such a high turnover rate. I'm not arguing that it's a good idea, but for better or for worse, most stores all sell at around the same price.

>>49319003
That was later. He burned his spark to revive him, but Karn was already a planeswalker.

>>49316016
It factually is.
Gideon would be an $80 walker and Siege Rhino would have been a $40 rare if it wasn't because fetchlands, even at ghost rarity, sell every box in existance ever.

>>49319003
Karn got Glissa's spark to do some magic. Karn has had three planeswalker sparks passed to him: Urza's, Glissa's, and then Venser's.

>>49315313
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH_6iFYiryY
This is all I could think of when seeing the gearhulks

>>49318587
>Citation needed

The fucking card. Holy shit youre fucking dense

>>49319030
You're retarded if you actually think that's the case.

>>49318931
I literally used the same logic you did. I even quoted you

>>49319126
You're retarded if you dont think fetches are the reason why Khan's sold as well as it did

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>>49318841
>Chandra, the head judge and I are getting married.
>>b-but what about dad?
>It's been twelve years honey, you know I loved your father very much but I had to move on, and Tezzeret helped me do that.
>>>-Lili gags externally-
>I also adopted a new child
>>WHAT?
>He's a very nice boy, he's an inventor named Kumar.

>>49316965
You'll spend less money just buying the singles you want.

>>49319213
Please look at new Liliana and new Thalia for very high in demand Mythics and Rares in a set without many chase cards and tell me that lacking lottery tickets made Thalia $40.

>>49318127
>A situation of severe trial
That doesn't make sense as an artifact, though

>>49319228
He also made two other masterpieces, Sol Ring and Sword of Fire and Ice.

They gave him the most expensive cards.

>>49318841
>Chandra bursts into Tezzeret's office
>"Unhand my mom you fiend!"
>"Is that what this is all about?"
>"Chandra, I have something to tell you. I'd like you to meet your new father."
>"NOOOOOOOOOO!"

>Sol Ring 100 euros
>Mox Opal 150 euros
>Sword of Fire and Ice 130 euros
>Crucible 125 euros

>>49319328
Sword of Ice and Fire is Chris Rahn or Mark Zug and Sol Ring is Mark Tedin or Mike Bierek.

Volkan Baga did the new Moxes, including Opal and the new Chrome.

>>49319352
Sol Ring will be $40 max.

>>49319358
I was talking about the Kaladesh Inventions.

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>>49317507
does this count?

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>>49319370
Oh. Well I disagree about the sword being a masterpiece. I definitely think it's worse than the old version. You can barely even tell it's a sword.

>>49319392
The Kaladesh inventions are called "masterpieces." Sword of Fire and Ice is one of them.

>>49319408
Well now you're just intentionally confusing me anon.

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>>49319392
>he doesn't see the Giger reference

>>49319002
>>49319156
>the stuff worlds are made off
>worlds are made of cosmos
stop reading Saint Seiya

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>>49319439
I'm not really seeing it, just looks like regular overwrought Kaladesh stuff.

Is that guy pulling a ballsack? I knew he drew dicks, tits, and cunts, but never seen a Giger ballsack.

>>49319471
They're right below what could be taken to be a feminine face. They're tits and balls at the same time. That's Giger to a T.

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>>49319471
It's in there. Volkan lives in Germany and has come in contact with the art of Giger.

>>49315313
Is Gitrog still in rotation? How does the sacrifice mechanic work when playing from graveyards?

Sorry, not much experience.

>>49319442

Quit being intentionally dense you motherfucker.

>>49319442
you're being dense on purpose

>>49319342
Futurama?

>>49319585
You're still playing the lands.

>>49319585
Gitrog is, it won't be in rotation with Crucible because Crucible won't be in Standard with it.

But to answer the question, the two don't affect eachother really at all as much as they benefit from eachother a ton.
Sac a land during your upkeep, draw your card, then on your main phases you can play the same land you just sacced as one of your land drops.

>>49319585
Gitrog's still around but Crucible of Worlds isn't actually in Standard. Gitrog's sacrifice effect does the same thing as ever, it just becomes easier to bring the lands back with the Crucible.

I'm definitely getting that new Mana Crypt. The question is, should I preorder it now or wait for the price to settle in the hopes that it drops a bit? It's 215 bones right now.

We need a new thread.

>>49319675
It'll drop a bit. Look at the price history on the expeditions.

>>49319675

Do you really think it's going to drop?

>>49319698
no there is no fucking way

>>49319698
>>49319742
going by the price trends of most of the expeditions I'm thinking wait a little bit. Most of them spiked at release then dropped to a more stable range for the next month, before slowly falling as supply increased. the exceptions are ancient tomb thanks to eldrazi shit in legacy and horizon canopy which has stayed the same throughout.

Though I'm still totally afraid of the Crypt jumping to 300 or something once the market starts setting it's prices.

>>49318220
Anyone in Kaladesh would suck Tezzeret's hobo anus for a second's worth of studying etherium. It's no wonder they made him important.

>>49319826
I sold Polluted Delta at 300 bucks though i tipped 25 to the guy who found me someone who wants it for that price.
All in all 275 is pretty good price.

>>49319283
Collected Company and Jace, Vryn's Prodigy sure were cheap.

>>49319826
Even Ancient Tomb dropped a bit. It went down to $70-80 around June.

>>49320037
CoCo barely rose above $15 despite being played in two formats while Jace was a sleeper that experienced a buyout and went on to be a x4 in Vintage, Legacy, Modern and a couple Standard decks.

>>49320037
How is Jace at all relevant to this discussion? Tell me how Origins is relevant here.

>>49320037

Jace was in magic origins you fucking retarded

>>49316318
I don't like that this flavor text clashes with the last reprint's:
>Lost to time is the artificer's art of trapping light from a distant star in a ring of purest gold.

All they had to do was add on
>It took the reclusive Venya Sangmi a lifetime to realize her childhood vision: a band of sunlight made solid.
>She died before she could pass on the techniques she employed.

>>49320369
Different worlds with different ways to make certain artifacts happening.

>>49317983
It is literally a crucible you fuck do you even science. And the flavour text says that liquid is stabilized planesmagic so I swear there are planeswalkers at this damn fair.

I mean some donors have contributed their Moxe Opals and Mana Crypts for viewing pleasure and in pretty sure it's actually one of you fucks who got your Judge Foil and had it altered.

>>49320386
Yeah but the flavor text on the Commander rings felt like it was referencing the game itself on a meta level, and the multiverse by extension. Wizards is never going to print a new card as busted as Sol Ring ever again, so it kinda makes sense that nobody in the in-game multiverse should know how to make artifacts that powerful either.

I dunno, I like those sorts of nods to the game's history.

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I WANT IT.

>>49320578
I WANT ALL OF THEM

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>>49318092
>Kumar.
>Yes Ramesh.
>These are just boots.
>Ah but these boots are no ordinary boots Ramesh, for they will have you dashing about an Ovalchaser!
>Kumar, these boots are made of inch thick steel how you expect to even run in the-aaaaaaAAAAAAHHHH
>Ramesh? Where'd you go?

>>49319283
Liliana IS $45 now, so I don't know why you brought it up.

Thalia isn't in very high demand right, I've seen several copies sitting at my lgs for several weeks in a row.

>>49319471
How do you even pick that up? It looks like it weighs twice what it should to be a wield-able sword.

>>49316227
>>49316460
>>49316682
>>49316894
>>49317758
>>49317915
>>49318036
>>49318090
>>49318092
>>49318170
>>49318204
>>49318217
>>49318300
>>49318417
>>49320600
God I'm so happy this exists right now. Top tier content, jolly good show

Has anybody made a compilation of the Kumar and Ramesh yet?

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>>49318090
>ask
>Tumblr

>>49320662
It looks like the upper half is like a sleeve. So you probably wear the "Sword" over your arm.

So who are kumar and ramesh?

>>49320716
Nope. Just do it.

>>49320735
Two roommates in Ghirapur

>>49320751
Yes, but I don't remember /tg/ talking about it ~9 hours ago.

>>49320735
Someone made them up, last thread, I think.

>>49320728
Only a pajeet would think it's a great idea.

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>>49320728
That would stillbe awkward as fuck and hard to use due to the angle the blade would be at to your arm. I like the design of the other two a lot better desu.
I like how Feast and Famine is one bade instead of two with the other colour represented in the handle.
I like >>49320578 except for the lens flare at the tip.

>>49320578
A tale of souls and swords, eternally retold.

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>>49320708
I'll try and step up my game for getting stuff drawn.

in the meantime have more works in progress.

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>>49320948
Also there was mention of an aetherborn Sitcom girlfriend?

Also should I turn on a trip for dumping art or no?

>>49320948
>>49320960
>>49320708
>>49320716
Compiled some content here:
>>49321125

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>>49321237
>>49321271
Thanks anon for compiling it.

Just another breif scene. May need to do fully colored in and fleshed out versions of the characters next. I feel like I might have Ramesh down. Just might need to take a few more ques from the Consuls to make him look decently "Government worker" looking enough.

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>>49320716
Here you go you spoilt little paneer